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    • ZERO discounts? Best Buy used to do $20-30 off preorders for 'E3 games'.
      I miss those 39.99 preorders 😢
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    • ZERO discounts? Best Buy used to do $20-30 off preorders for 'E3 games'.
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    • Well the importance of E3 as a trade show for retailers (its original intention) has definitely waned over the years I still think it's incredibly important for publishers to show up and represent well.

      I think as event for consumers watching from home it's probably bigger then ever. Folks turn into E3 specifically on anticipation I think Sony is doing itself and it's fans a disservice by not representing itself at E3. People expect big things at E3 and so people tune in to see E3 and as a result I don't think a random state of play or Nintendo direct gets near as much eyes on it as a big E3 conference.

      I mean obviously Sony has looked at the Metrics and deemed it maybe not worth it but this whole thing is a heck of a lot more fun when Sony is there going head to head with Microsoft and I think that sort of gamesmanship definitely helped Sony get to where they were this past generation.
      I've been to trade shows, E3 moved from being a trade show long ago, and transitioned into a for-profit event.
      The last few years, E3 has already been a Nintendo Direct/prepackaged video presentation, and even when covid wanes it's clear that's the new medium of delivery. More profitable and safer. I see E3 getting more boring, and irrelevant as the years go, unless they change things up. Some game journalists even have the same sentiment.
      Sony did the right thing this year. Plus rumours are already abound for their upcoming event, such as GoT for PC. That's not a major announcement on its own, but neither were a lot of this year's E3 announcements. So much 2022 news...
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    • Sony is doing their own event later this year.

      For fans that pay to go to E3, they have to wait in hour long lines just to try out demos.
      For media members, they have to book an appointment slot and are allowed only one representative per company.
      Nothing is confirmed for a Sony event later this year (but I do think it's a safe bet). I'm not really sure they have much else to announce at this time. ND, SuckerPunch, Insomniac, Media Molecule and Sony Bend have all just released games and probably aren't ready to show what they are working on next (apart from any DLC for those games) and SSM, Polypony and Guerilla have already announced their new games. So unless they've purchased some more timed exclusive deals or have a bunch of deals with third party developers to build games for them I doubt we'll see much in the way of new announents... If anything we'll probably just see state of plays doing deep dives on the games they've already announced.

      My point though is the head to head aspect of an E3 has really helped Sony in the past and I think it would help them now.

      And yeah I wouldn't recommend actually going to E3 as a consumer... It sounds not great.
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    • Sony is doing their own event later this year.

      For fans that pay to go to E3, they have to wait in hour long lines just to try out demos.
      For media members, they have to book an appointment slot and are allowed only one representative per company.

      Well the importance of E3 as a trade show for retailers (its original intention) has definitely waned over the years I still think it's incredibly important for publishers to show up and represent well.

      I think as event for consumers watching from home it's probably bigger then ever. Folks turn into E3 specifically on anticipation I think Sony is doing itself and it's fans a disservice by not representing itself at E3. People expect big things at E3 and so people tune in to see E3 and as a result I don't think a random state of play or Nintendo direct gets near as much eyes on it as a big E3 conference.

      I mean obviously Sony has looked at the Metrics and deemed it maybe not worth it but this whole thing is a heck of a lot more fun when Sony is there going head to head with Microsoft and I think that sort of gamesmanship definitely helped Sony get to where they were this past generation.
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    • Yes, exactly another reason Sony (or anyone for that matter) doesn't really need to be there. They're paying a ton for exposure that modern times have made obsolete, plus the risk something goes wrong and then you've spent millions looking stupid or less capable then your competitors. Why not run your own show with prerecorded bits, control your message, be safe. But MS, Nintendo and many others still "attended" this year. Obviously they feel it's necessary because... ?
      I'm curious, from their perspective, why it's still attended. It's not for The Fans IMO.
      Well the importance of E3 as a trade show for retailers (its original intention) has definitely waned over the years I still think it's incredibly important for publishers to show up and represent well.

      I think as event for consumers watching from home it's probably bigger then ever. Folks turn into E3 specifically on anticipation I think Sony is doing itself and it's fans a disservice by not representing itself at E3. People expect big things at E3 and so people tune in to see E3 and as a result I don't think a random state of play or Nintendo direct gets near as much eyes on it as a big E3 conference.

      I mean obviously Sony has looked at the Metrics and deemed it maybe not worth it but this whole thing is a heck of a lot more fun when Sony is there going head to head with Microsoft and I think that sort of gamesmanship definitely helped Sony get to where they were this past generation.
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    • I got an email from E3 asking me to take a survey and rate the event. I rated it poorly.
      My favourite question was if I would be willing to pay for access to game demos during E3 😂
      I got the same email but deleted it without reading it.

      I think I'll go back and fill it in now. 😄
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    • I got an email from E3 asking me to take a survey and rate the event. I rated it poorly.
      My favourite question was if I would be willing to pay for access to game demos during E3 😂
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    • E3 is not cost effective because companies have to rent floor space at the L.A. Convention Centre, set up demo booths, rent a theatre, etc. while more people worldwide are just watching the event from home on Twitch, or Youtube.

      Nintendo's pre-recorded Nintendo Direct, and their live streams, are low cost and reach a larger audience.
      Doing a Live broadcast, on stage presentation is where things can go wrong.





      Sony's best E3 moments:


      The actor that played fake VP of Playstation Kevin Butler does his speech to a huge ovation
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LwPWN3Ul6U8

      The Playstation Autotune song:
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-pRUiCdvQ_M

      - 2013's game sharing demonstration video
      - E3 2015 with all those surprise wishlist game announcements.
      Yes, exactly another reason Sony (or anyone for that matter) doesn't really need to be there. They're paying a ton for exposure that modern times have made obsolete, plus the risk something goes wrong and then you've spent millions looking stupid or less capable then your competitors. Why not run your own show with prerecorded bits, control your message, be safe. But MS, Nintendo and many others still "attended" this year. Obviously they feel it's necessary because... ?
      I'm curious, from their perspective, why it's still attended. It's not for The Fans IMO.
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    • E3 is not cost effective because companies have to rent floor space at the L.A. Convention Centre, set up demo booths, rent a theatre, etc. while more people worldwide are just watching the event from home on Twitch, or Youtube.

      Nintendo's pre-recorded Nintendo Direct, and their live streams, are low cost and reach a larger audience.
      Doing a Live broadcast, on stage presentation is where things can go wrong.

      PlayStation has some memorable E3 moments, that being one of them, especially the game-sharing demonstration. Another would be their mic-drop $299 PSX announcement, and its evil mirror-universe twin PS3 price announcement.
      Without PlayStation the show seems flat. I think Sony doesn't want to attend in part because they can't control the message as well. With the billions the industry is worth I can understand why, but then the entertainment aspect is killed off. Entertainment also happens to be one of the three E's.

      Sony's best E3 moments:


      The actor that played fake VP of Playstation Kevin Butler does his speech to a huge ovation
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LwPWN3Ul6U8

      The Playstation Autotune song:
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-pRUiCdvQ_M

      - 2013's game sharing demonstration video
      - E3 2015 with all those surprise wishlist game announcements.
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    • I just miss the dueling conferences days. Anyone remember the PS4 and Xbox reveal E3s? There was some real spirit in those showcases and an energy to the show that has been missing ever since.
      PlayStation has some memorable E3 moments, that being one of them, especially the game-sharing demonstration. Another would be their mic-drop $299 PSX announcement, and its evil mirror-universe twin PS3 price announcement.
      Without PlayStation the show seems flat. I think Sony doesn't want to attend in part because they can't control the message as well. With the billions the industry is worth I can understand why, but then the entertainment aspect is killed off. Entertainment also happens to be one of the three E's.
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    • I just miss the dueling conferences days. Anyone remember the PS4 and Xbox reveal E3s? There was some real spirit in those showcases and an energy to the show that has been missing ever since.
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    • To me, it feels like Nintendo has really leaned in to some of the more "cutesy" games on their platform and shied away from games that appeal to an older crowd. I loved RE4 on the GameCube, and I also played the hell out of Spider-Man and Freedom Fighters on that system. F-Zero and 1080 Snowboarding were amazing back in the day too... What happened to those? But I understand if I (and a lot of others) are no longer part of Nintendo's target market either since they're raking in so much money as it stands, with so little risk.
      I think Nintendo had the "family friendly" image since at least the early 90s. Even Mortal Kombat on the SNES had its violence toned down compared to the Sega Genesis. Resident Evil 4 is an anomaly.

      The Switch appeals to a different demographic than Nintendo's previous consoles. This is evident with Zelda and Animal Crossing selling better than Mario or Pokemon, something that has not happened in the past. Anecdotally, it feels the Switch has a strong appeal to a segment of women in their 20s and 30s.
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    • Nintendo makes the highest quality local multiplayer games which have become rare these days.
      Most Nintendo games focus on gameplay mechanics and fun first, not story or narrative.
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    • I wouldn't say people are being haters... I think a lot of us as you said have a lot of nostalgia for Nintendo, and there is definitely a place in our heart for the company that played such a big role in our formative years. But Nintendo also keeps Nintendoing because they know they have a captive audience of people who will buy their products at full price. To @SpicYMchaggis point, it feels like Nintendo fans won't push the company to go above and beyond for the consumer these days.

      The last Nintendo products I've owned were the DS and the Wii and the SNES Mini, and as much as I want a Switch for a small handful of games, I haven't pulled the trigger because a lot of it doesn't appeal to me anymore. In other cases, I can often get some of the third party games cheaper elsewhere. To me, it feels like Nintendo has really leaned in to some of the more "cutesy" games on their platform and shied away from games that appeal to an older crowd. I loved RE4 on the GameCube, and I also played the hell out of Spider-Man and Freedom Fighters on that system. F-Zero and 1080 Snowboarding were amazing back in the day too... What happened to those? But I understand if I (and a lot of others) are no longer part of Nintendo's target market either since they're raking in so much money as it stands, with so little risk.

      I guess my tune might change once my kids get older, but for now I'll continue to just armchair criticize (but I'm still not a hater).
      Hate to break it to you, but a certain older crowd loves the Switch. Out of the Big 3, Nintendo is the only one with the explicit adult-themed hentai games. 🙃 So much Ick.

      I don't think any of the older-audience games you listed from your youth were Nintendo properties, as all of them were cross platform. I definitely remember some of those titles were also on the PS2. So not much has changed from then until now, as you can play The Witcher 3 and Doom Eternal on the Switch for example. Their first-party stuff has always leaned heavily into "cutesy" with a few exceptions here and there, but never really the norm. To me, they're the same company they were back in the late 80's. With a few bumps along the way, still as succesful too.
      The NES launched to appeal to kids, and every system since followed the same formula. Nostalgia gives us the idea that it was better/edgier/etc., but Nintendo has always stuck to their script.

      You'll get one for your kids. I did, and I was never a Nintendo fan in my youth (PC). It just had the games my kids wanted. These guys know their market well.
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    • I've noticed that too, lol. Lots of haters here.
      I get it, a lot of people grew up with them so they expect more from them today. if they had a Nintendo system in their youth, then in hindsight it looked better than it actually was.
      Meanwhile they haven't changed much as a company since the NES days, still doing the same thing, both good and bad.
      I think as we get older we hold on too much to nostalgia, and think More is Better (pixels, titles, value, etc). But Nintendo keeps Nintendoing, and continues to kill the competition.

      There's probably a lesson us jaded adults need to take in from all this.
      I wouldn't say people are being haters... I think a lot of us as you said have a lot of nostalgia for Nintendo, and there is definitely a place in our heart for the company that played such a big role in our formative years. But Nintendo also keeps Nintendoing because they know they have a captive audience of people who will buy their products at full price.To @SpicYMchaggis point, it feels like Nintendo fans won't push the company to go above and beyond for the consumer these days.

      The last Nintendo products I've owned were the DS and the Wii and the SNES Mini, and as much as I want a Switch for a small handful of games, I haven't pulled the trigger because a lot of it doesn't appeal to me anymore. In other cases, I can often get some of the third party games cheaper elsewhere. To me, it feels like Nintendo has really leaned in to some of the more "cutesy" games on their platform and shied away from games that appeal to an older crowd. I loved RE4 on the GameCube, and I also played the hell out of Spider-Man and Freedom Fighters on that system. F-Zero and 1080 Snowboarding were amazing back in the day too... What happened to those? But I understand if I (and a lot of others) are no longer part of Nintendo's target market either since they're raking in so much money as it stands, with so little risk.

      I guess my tune might change once my kids get older, but for now I'll continue to just armchair criticize (but I'm still not a hater).
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    • Yeah it was definitely one of the weakest E3's overall but still a good time.
      Despite having basically no show stoppers/mic drop moments I think the Microsoft Conference was definitely the star of the show followed by Summer Game Fest (and that Elden Ring trailer).

      I found Nintendo's conference to be pretty weak.

      I think the flipside to your argument (and you wouldn't really know it because The switch is kind of its own thing and doesn't get caught in the fanboy crossfire) is that Nintendo fanboys are the most die hard group and would basically be content if Nintendo just came out and announced a bunch of Smash characters.
      I thought they did? If not, they seem to every month 😅
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    • Then he's in my youngest's age, she gets excited for most of those. Most of those got announcements, just not during Nintendo's E3 presentation. Fact is I'd say most of this E3 was a bust. The big announcements this year would have been middling announcements during a good year. Just covid times...
      Yeah it was definitely one of the weakest E3's overall but still a good time.
      Despite having basically no show stoppers/mic drop moments I think the Microsoft Conference was definitely the star of the show followed by Summer Game Fest (and that Elden Ring trailer).

      I found Nintendo's conference to be pretty weak.

      I think the flipside to your argument (and you wouldn't really know it because The switch is kind of its own thing and doesn't get caught in the fanboy crossfire) is that Nintendo fanboys are the most die hard group and would basically be content if Nintendo just came out and announced a bunch of Smash characters.
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    • My Son is a die hard Nintendo fan and had Tuesday circled on his Calender for months and I think he was also pretty disappointed.

      Metroid isn't much of a draw for any Nintendo fan under the age of 20 and the rest of the announcements were pretty unexciting.
      Obviously he was really excited about seeing BOTW2 but we didn't really even get much from that game other than some samey gameplay and a 2022 release date.

      The big draws for him... things like Animal Crossing, Mario, Mario Kart, Pokemon, Pikmin and Splatoon were totally absent.
      Then he's in my youngest's age, she gets excited for most of those. Most of those got announcements, just not during Nintendo's E3 presentation. Fact is I'd say most of this E3 was a bust. The big announcements this year would have been middling announcements during a good year. Just covid times...
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    • I've noticed that too, lol. Lots of haters here.
      I get it, a lot of people grew up with them so they expect more from them today. if they had a Nintendo system in their youth, then in hindsight it looked better than it actually was.
      Meanwhile they haven't changed much as a company since the NES days, still doing the same thing, both good and bad.
      I think as we get older we hold on too much to nostalgia, and think More is Better (pixels, titles, value, etc). But Nintendo keeps Nintendoing, and continues to kill the competition.

      There's probably a lesson us jaded adults need to take in from all this.
      My Son is a die hard Nintendo fan and had Tuesday circled on his Calender for months and I think he was also pretty disappointed.

      Metroid isn't much of a draw for any Nintendo fan under the age of 20 and the rest of the announcements were pretty unexciting.
      Obviously he was really excited about seeing BOTW2 but we didn't really even get much from that game other than some samey gameplay and a 2022 release date.

      The big draws for him... things like Animal Crossing, Mario, Mario Kart, Pokemon, Pikmin and Splatoon were totally absent.
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    • I thought it was a pretty strong Nintendo Direct - especially with deep dives on most upcoming games. Looking forward to checking out Mario Golf and Metroid Dread. Mario Party Superstars also looks good. Shin Megami Tensei V looks interesting but I'm concerned about performance.

      As a PS5 owner, it's great to see Nintendo still giving me reasons to continue using the Switch. I understand many people in this thread are over Nintendo, but I think the Switch has their best line up since the GameCube/GBA era of the early 2000s.

      Nintendo Switch games don't look or feel like full price AAA games, but they are selling better than ever before. Some of these Nintendo titles are selling better than games that are triple or quadruple their budget. I don't think any other publisher/developer can pull this off.
      I've noticed that too, lol. Lots of haters here.
      I get it, a lot of people grew up with them so they expect more from them today. if they had a Nintendo system in their youth, then in hindsight it looked better than it actually was.
      Meanwhile they haven't changed much as a company since the NES days, still doing the same thing, both good and bad.
      I think as we get older we hold on too much to nostalgia, and think More is Better (pixels, titles, value, etc). But Nintendo keeps Nintendoing, and continues to kill the competition.

      There's probably a lesson us jaded adults need to take in from all this.
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    • I thought it was a pretty strong Nintendo Direct - especially with deep dives on most upcoming games. Looking forward to checking out Mario Golf and Metroid Dread. Mario Party Superstars also looks good. Shin Megami Tensei V looks interesting but I'm concerned about performance.

      As a PS5 owner, it's great to see Nintendo still giving me reasons to continue using the Switch. I understand many people in this thread are over Nintendo, but I think the Switch has their best line up since the GameCube/GBA era of the early 2000s.

      Nintendo Switch games don't look or feel like full price AAA games, but they are selling better than ever before. Some of these Nintendo titles are selling better than games that are triple or quadruple their budget. I don't think any other publisher/developer can pull this off.
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    • When I watched the Nintendo E3 the Metroid game really did look like a port of Samus Returns (right down to the half moon arm attack when they get in melee range).
      I guess I was underwhelmed with Nintendo's presentation but at least it only had 1 Wii U port!
      I heard that this was a cancelled/shelved DS-series game, so that could be why. I suppose they could have brought some of the assets over to not completely start from scratch. Maybe a way to get a game out more quickly.
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    • They already did this with Samus Returns on 3DS which was cool but I never finished it. I honestly thought it was a Switch port of that game until they showed the title because it looked exactly the same to me.
      When I watched the Nintendo E3 the Metroid game really did look like a port of Samus Returns (right down to the half moon arm attack when they get in melee range).
      I guess I was underwhelmed with Nintendo's presentation but at least it only had 1 Wii U port!
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    • I guess the last bit for now would be the Xbox Games Showcase: Extended on June 17th at 1PM Eastern.

      "It will feature conversations with developers from studios like Double Fine, Obsidian, Ninja Theory, Rare, and our talented dev partners from around the world."
      https://youtu.be/L7ZCGAUSCAU
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    • I guess the last bit for now would be the Xbox Games Showcase: Extended on June 17th at 1PM Eastern.

      "It will feature conversations with developers from studios like Double Fine, Obsidian, Ninja Theory, Rare, and our talented dev partners from around the world."
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    • 😂

      I didn't watch it, but I searched it after you said that. Oh man, wtf. Why even show up? One game for their whole showcase.

      There were only 3 worth watching. Xbox, Nintendo, and Devolver Digital. The rest were forgettable, to pathetic.

      Yeah, covid hit the gaming industry just as bad as everywhere else, but if you've got nothing, just don't present. A lot of these "showcases" made them look worse than just not presenting anything at all.

      Looking forward to Thursday for Xbox's extended showcase. Even if it's just developer interviews it will still probably be better than most stuff shown by the others.
      Just don't present, but FOMO I guess? Several companies didn't show up, I'm guessing because of the price of attendance coupled with pandemic slowdown.

      Sony's own thing (a State of Play?) will be in a few weeks I guess? I'm not expecting more than typical hype and little real product, as everyone else has shown at this E3. Best they do might be
      1. a release date on one title we already know about
      2. some gameplay footage on another title we already know about
      3. a hyped up vague announcement on a title we don't know about. Rumour is Insomniac is working on Spiderman 2, so maybe that. If they did all that, then woohoo great show everyone we killed it pats on the back all around... 😴
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    • I'm reading the whole NamBan pres was House of Ashes? Is the Dark Pictures Anthology that imortant that they hinged their whole show on it?
      They're giving out E3 awards. Any for Most Uninspired E3 ever?
      😂

      I didn't watch it, but I searched it after you said that. Oh man, wtf. Why even show up? One game for their whole showcase.

      There were only 3 worth watching. Xbox, Nintendo, and Devolver Digital. The rest were forgettable, to pathetic.

      Yeah, covid hit the gaming industry just as bad as everywhere else, but if you've got nothing, just don't present. A lot of these "showcases" made them look worse than just not presenting anything at all.

      Looking forward to Thursday for Xbox's extended showcase. Even if it's just developer interviews it will still probably be better than most stuff shown by the others.
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    • The bigger question... is anyone actually excited about a Smash Brothers/Tekken cross over?
      *raises hand*

      At this point Smash is basically Mugen but with actual official balancing. I would have loved this game back in the 90s. Would have settled a lot of playground arguments. If anything, they need MORE crossovers. Go nuts. Get Scorpion in there. Get Master Chief. Lara Croft. Heck, ring up WB and throw in Batman. I wouldn't mind a Mickey Mouse VS Mario battle of the icons.

      There's a reason why Marvel VS Capcom is a thing. Fighters are perfect for crossovers, and crazy fighters like Smash can actually do most of the characters justice in terms of how they are actually portrayed.
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    • Yes! When you blow it, own it and use it. 🤣

      https://twitter.com/SquareEnix/status/1 ... 94528?s=20
      I'm reading the whole NamBan pres was House of Ashes? Is the Dark Pictures Anthology that imortant that they hinged their whole show on it?
      They're giving out E3 awards. Any for Most Uninspired E3 ever?
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    • Tekken is the 3rd most popular fighting game franchise after Super Smash Bros, and Mortal Kombat.
      Kazuya is a bad choice to include as guest character DLC for Smash Ultimate however. He looks like a generic angry scowl faced Asian character out of the Yakuza series.

      Microsoft already has 7 representatives in Smash (Minecraft characters and their 6 clones, and Banjo Kazooie)
      God I had to hear my kids go on non-stop about every stupid DLC character they didn't know or like, such as Xenoblade characters. Why did they add them, how useless they were, why didn't they add cooler characters like Waluigi. They drove me nuts with that nattering every time they played.
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    • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IH7QtiX1I7Y

      I had to work over 12 hours so I missed the Nintendo E3 direct live.
      Video for those that missed it.


      I would like the Switch Pro to launch with Mario Kart 9 (without anti-gravity kart driving this time) or at least some sort of Mario Kart Compilation of Mario Kart games from Mario Kart 64 onwards.

      Mario Golf's Speed Golf looks like it will be amazing fun. Extended Mario Golf Trailer:
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5R-EuaUbPvc


      Overall, Nintendo had the best games in their conference IMO.
      Zelda Breath of the Wild 2 and good local multiplayer games.
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    • I'm going to completely go for that legends of zelda handheld. I love the 2d zelda games. I've played and beat each multiple times, except I've never gave link's awakening a real play.
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    • Oh don't get me wrong, I totally understand the appeal for kids... I guess I should've been more specific. How many people who care about Tekken also care if there was a Tekken character added to Smash? Although I did just google and they added Terry Bogart from the King of Fighters series of games recently so I must be severely underestimating how many older players there are.

      This franchise is all about weird crossovers but I just would've thought there would be a plethora of other characters to add that appeal to kids more than Kazuya.
      God I had to hear my kids go on non-stop about every stupid DLC character they didn't know or like, such as Xenoblade characters. Why did they add them, how useless they were, why didn't they add cooler characters like Waluigi. They drove me nuts with that nattering every time they played.
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    • Yeah agreed, I thought it was a very good direct.

      BOTW2 looks fantastic, adding verticality and fleshing out the world more is great. Just want to see more variety in everything and I'm happy.

      Metroid as 2D was always my jam so looking forward to Dread.

      New Mario Party has a lot to prove to me after their last disastrous game but I think they will get it right.

      Advance Wars, hell yeah!
      SMT looks interesting, love Persona, obviously, but have never tried SMT so plan on it.

      Agreed on the rest you mentioned.

      Original rabbids was GOTY for me, excited for new one.

      Mario golf is an instant pickup. Skyward sword as I never played it before. Forgot about the Pokemon remakes coming out this year too they weren't shown.

      Good stuff coming out of Nintendo that are my jam. Switch gets a lot of playtime here.

      One great thing about having a PC, Switch and PS5 is I don't need each company to fill my whole year, only certain parts as having every system never leaves me with nothing to play.
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    • Oh don't get me wrong, I totally understand the appeal for kids... I guess I should've been more specific. How many people who care about Tekken also care if there was a Tekken character added to Smash? Although I did just google and they added Terry Bogart from the King of Fighters series of games recently so I must be severely underestimating how many older players there are.

      This franchise is all about weird crossovers but I just would've thought there would be a plethora of other characters to add that appeal to kids more than Kazuya.
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