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  • spike1128
    • All those debating about 2021 vs 2022 model, there is a new model in the works for 1H 2024.
      Not sure what Apple's deal is with all the upgrades so quickly.
      Maybe they want to get a newer chip in to do some home integration special. A15 might not be as fast as a new chip. Just like IPad are using M2 chip instead of A chip.
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  • Kevcorm
    • All those debating about 2021 vs 2022 model, there is a new model in the works for 1H 2024.
      Not sure what Apple's deal is with all the upgrades so quickly.
      Probably has to do with supply of chips, they won’t keep making old chips just for the Apple TV.
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  • nosnoop
    • Apple Music in atmos makes more sense with a surround sound setup that supports atmos vs headphones, that was a huge selling point for me.
      Dolby Atmos with Apple Music was the main reason I picked up an Apple TV.
      If you enjoy true surround sound (instead of simulated spatial audio through a headphone) with Apple Music, especially if you have an Atmos home theatre setup, there really isn't much other choice out there.
      And I think it sounds awesome.
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  • shinratdr
    • 4K 2nd gen is an odd generation that only had 17 month life before getting replaced with the current.
      This comment got glossed over but it’s the most important in this thread. IMO part of being RFD savvy is the “buy it for life” thing, at least for me. You’ll save $20-$40 depending on model, but you’re cutting 2-3 years of lifespan and resale value off of the device.

      The Apple TV always uses the most mass-market chip Apple can make that will support everything they want to do with the device. The new one already has an exclusive feature, Apple Music Sing. That’s a strong indication that Apple will use this as the baseline going forward, and a short generation is usually worth avoiding.

      Despite popular belief, Apple actually does work hard to backport features as much as possible. The recent HomePod update is a great example, the original HomePod and Minis got almost all the new features from the new HomePod, excluding the ones that required new hardware.

      I would either get the new one on a better deal, or this one on a full clearance deal or used (around $100 or less). Saving that little isn’t worth the lifespan cut.

      For those looking for the new one, the Apple EPP site for Perkopolis has the new ones at $5 cheaper than retail. Shoppers has a 20x points deal right now, and Bell Advantage for The Source is $10 cheaper for the 128GB model, those are all OK options.
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  • JeremyESQ

    • The 2022 ATV uses 3 year newer hardware that is SUBSTANTIALLY more powerful

      Like, you wont see a huge difference just using streaming apps, but if you get into more intense applications, you will absolutely see a giant increase.


      The 2022 ATV is probably the best value proposition Apple has ever had for a product.


      I hate Apple, but they do it right with ATV.
      You absolutely nailed it -- I just got the Steelseries Nimbus+ to play Apple Arcade on my TV and for my favourite game (Zen Pinball Party) there is noticeable lag when operating the flippers. Thought it may have been the Nimbus+ (firmware update did not improve the issue) but realized it was the Apple TV when I tried the Nimbus+ with my A12Z iPad Pro and found the flippers much more responsive, which is important when its pinball that is being played 😁

      For streaming content (including Apple Fitness+) this is a great unit. Even calibrated the settings on my TV for better picture.
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  • lead
    • I didn't even know firecube v3 existed! That's cool. Not sure what the performance is in relation to the shield, but until Amazon allows custom launchers on boot, while disabling its own embedded bloatware, it's also not a product I'd support. Just way too many ads that bog the system down. I have a firestick 4k max as well, and it feels slower than my old Google TV ChromeCast4k
      firecube v2 and 3 are more powerful than shields. The shields gpu is very powerful but the soc is still just an a57 2 generations behind The cubes which are a73 socs. The cubes niche is its basically a streamer/echo/alexa,bt/ir blaster for legacy devces. Kinda like adds a bt harmony hub which also adds alexa to the devices.

      You don't need a custom launcher. You map one of the extra buttons to the appdrawer and with one button you bypass the main menu and in any program the one button takes you to the appdrawer which looks like a lean launcher.

      If you have a performance issue on any current tvbox which runs say an a53 soc or better. Its the wifi connection or available space that are the 2 leading problems. Once you fill up the small storage space your into a world of issues which can even lead to crashes or freezes. Small storage is the really only bad flaw so pick a device that is dirt cheap to expand if needed.

      My self I use firesticks just for certified streaming aps and they are great,dirt cheap and they do auto refresh in netflix just like apple4k. For local playback I use a s905x3(or now they sell x4) which cost me 50 bucks for kodi/coreelec (or slimbox if your knee deep in android eco). I have true hd bistream audio passthru usb 3 and gigabit ports with atleast 4gb of ram. I run dockers/share drives in background for a variety of functions that apple or android can't do and never will.
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  • DanDurino
    • Most if not all of them have the hardware capability of passthru. The popular argument is a licensing restriction enforced on the os. Thats why xiaomi lost its capability after android 8 as the noose tightend. The argument is simple. If it doesn't have a disk player then there is no logical reason for dolby to sell HD audio passthru license as its an used format for streaming platforms. So how does nvida do it? Grandfather clause is the popular explanation for the gpu giant.

      The new firecube v3 however now offers HD pass thru. Why only it out of its lineup? It has an HDMI input!! So the popular belief is that a disk player could be connected. Thus granting an exception for a streaming platform that also offers multi functions that may require the license.
      I didn't even know firecube v3 existed! That's cool. Not sure what the performance is in relation to the shield, but until Amazon allows custom launchers on boot, while disabling its own embedded bloatware, it's also not a product I'd support. Just way too many ads that bog the system down. I have a firestick 4k max as well, and it feels slower than my old Google TV ChromeCast4k
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  • DanDurino
    • Look my nickname, I’m a Sony fans, but I go with LG Tv.
      Ok? I don't recall asking though? Its your money, waste it however you like.
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  • lead
    • The lack of audio passthrough is not because of hardware limitations, it’s purely a software issue, AFAIK.

      The Apple TV 4K is ridiculously overpowered but is kept back in one area due to software. I would not be surprised if such a situation was “suggested” by content providers, to supposedly fight against piracy. Though it doesn’t explain how 3rd-party players such as Infuse are permitted to exist. Corporate logic doesn’t always make sense.

      Am willing to bet that Apple could enable audio passthrough overnight with a simple software update.
      Most if not all of them have the hardware capability of passthru. The popular argument is a licensing restriction enforced on the os. Thats why xiaomi lost its capability after android 8 as the noose tightend. The argument is simple. If it doesn't have a disk player then there is no logical reason for dolby to sell HD audio passthru license as its an used format for streaming platforms. So how does nvida do it? Grandfather clause is the popular explanation for the gpu giant.

      The new firecube v3 however now offers HD pass thru. Why only it out of its lineup? It has an HDMI input!! So the popular belief is that a disk player could be connected. Thus granting an exception for a streaming platform that also offers multi functions that may require the license.
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  • sonyHdr12
    • Sony
      Look my nickname, I’m a Sony fans, but I go with LG Tv.
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  • DanDurino
    • Lol, who does all?
      Sony
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  • sonyHdr12
    • As the end user, I really, really, don't care if its a native OS issue, a hardware issue, the cheap included cable (if applicable) issue, or a 3rd party app issue.

      I'm expecting it to work and have a certain feature set.

      Same reason I simply do not touch a LG TV

      LG doesn't support DTS passthrough, as nice as their OLEDs are. They don't get my business.
      Samsung doesn't support DV. As nice as their TVs are, they don't get my business.

      I'm sure AppleTV4k 2022 model is super fast and snappy, but if it doesn't do the full DV spectrum and doesn't have TrueHD, not interested until it does.
      Lol, who does all?
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  • DanDurino
    • The lack of audio passthrough is not because of hardware limitations, it’s purely a software issue, AFAIK.

      The Apple TV 4K is ridiculously overpowered but is kept back in one area due to software. I would not be surprised if such a situation was “suggested” by content providers, to supposedly fight against piracy. Though it doesn’t explain how 3rd-party players such as Infuse are permitted to exist. Corporate logic doesn’t always make sense.

      Am willing to bet that Apple could enable audio passthrough overnight with a simple software update.
      As the end user, I really, really, don't care if its a native OS issue, a hardware issue, the cheap included cable (if applicable) issue, or a 3rd party app issue.

      I'm expecting it to work and have a certain feature set.

      Same reason I simply do not touch a LG TV

      LG doesn't support DTS passthrough, as nice as their OLEDs are. They don't get my business.
      Samsung doesn't support DV. As nice as their TVs are, they don't get my business.

      I'm sure AppleTV4k 2022 model is super fast and snappy, but if it doesn't do the full DV spectrum and doesn't have TrueHD, not interested until it does.
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  • tmp31416
    • It's the only thing holding me back tbh. I have a Shield Pro 2019. The Apple Tv 4k 2022 is supposed to be a lot faster, it already doesn't pass through TrueHD Audio. But giving up part of the DV aspect makes the transition a non-starter.

      Hopefully another version in 2023 or 2024 will support it.
      The lack of audio passthrough is not because of hardware limitations, it’s purely a software issue, AFAIK.

      The Apple TV 4K is ridiculously overpowered but is kept back in one area due to software. I would not be surprised if such a situation was “suggested” by content providers, to supposedly fight against piracy. Though it doesn’t explain how 3rd-party players such as Infuse are permitted to exist. Corporate logic doesn’t always make sense.

      Am willing to bet that Apple could enable audio passthrough overnight with a simple software update.
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  • Kevcorm
    • The 2022 ATV uses 3 year newer hardware that is SUBSTANTIALLY more powerful

      Like, you wont see a huge difference just using streaming apps, but if you get into more intense applications, you will absolutely see a giant increase.


      The 2022 ATV is probably the best value proposition Apple has ever had for a product.


      I hate Apple, but they do it right with ATV.
      Honestly, I think they have the best value phones, AirPods, tablets and arguably laptops. Not the cheapest, but performance to $ ratio is fantastic, support is long, products last long, updates come quick and products are reliable. Them designing their own chips has seriously paid off in all of their products. They aren’t 100% perfect obviously, and not every product they make is for everyone… but they are killing it this last decade.

      People will always argue, but think back to older devices and how they hold up now.
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  • sonyHdr12
    • I think it was because the remote is now usb c, so since they were updating the remote anyway... I also think it has to do with what chips they have available, it got an upgrade that I dont think was needed yet, but more power is more power.
      The 2022 new Gen no fan. So it may save your hydro $10 a year.
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  • sonyHdr12
    • The 2022 ATV uses 3 year newer hardware that is SUBSTANTIALLY more powerful

      Like, you wont see a huge difference just using streaming apps, but if you get into more intense applications, you will absolutely see a giant increase.


      The 2022 ATV is probably the best value proposition Apple has ever had for a product.


      I hate Apple, but they do it right with ATV.
      I hate apple release new atv so soon and much cheaper, it makes my 2021 atv 4K Gen 2 lose even more value.
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  • maximusbibicus
    • I wanted a new remote for my older one, its $80.....this ATV is $140. No brainer, for $60 more I got a new unit and get to repurpose the old one to a non smart TV.

      Ordered the first day and received mine today.
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  • Viper98
    • I bought this, being new to the Apple ecosystem.

      Based on what I gathered from reviews, there is not a noticeable performance difference between 2nd gen and 3rd generation. The 64GB 2nd gen has both ethernet and thread, which the 3rd gen 64GB lacks. Some reviewers found it odd that Apple released an upgraded Apple TV so soon after its predecessor. I am thinking the next iteration of Apple TV will be more revolutionary. I will be happy with this for the time being.
      The 2022 ATV uses 3 year newer hardware that is SUBSTANTIALLY more powerful

      Like, you wont see a huge difference just using streaming apps, but if you get into more intense applications, you will absolutely see a giant increase.


      The 2022 ATV is probably the best value proposition Apple has ever had for a product.


      I hate Apple, but they do it right with ATV.
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  • Kevcorm
    • I bought this, being new to the Apple ecosystem.

      Based on what I gathered from reviews, there is not a noticeable performance difference between 2nd gen and 3rd generation. The 64GB 2nd gen has both ethernet and thread, which the 3rd gen 64GB lacks. Some reviewers found it odd that Apple released an upgraded Apple TV so soon after its predecessor. I am thinking the next iteration of Apple TV will be more revolutionary. I will be happy with this for the time being.
      I think it was because the remote is now usb c, so since they were updating the remote anyway... I also think it has to do with what chips they have available, it got an upgrade that I dont think was needed yet, but more power is more power.
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  • JeremyESQ
    • I bought this, being new to the Apple ecosystem.

      Based on what I gathered from reviews, there is not a noticeable performance difference between 2nd gen and 3rd generation. The 64GB 2nd gen has both ethernet and thread, which the 3rd gen 64GB lacks. Some reviewers found it odd that Apple released an upgraded Apple TV so soon after its predecessor. I am thinking the next iteration of Apple TV will be more revolutionary. I will be happy with this for the time being.
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  • sonyHdr12
    • I believe two sayings here, buy first think later, and another one, buy nice or buy twice, don’t be cheap to buy an old one, spend $60 more to get the new one.
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  • Kevcorm
    • I know it’s more expensive, but isn’t the Nvidia Shield still the one to beat in this category? I use a few Firestick 4K’s and some of its limitations are surfacing now after several years of use. I don’t see anything about these ATV’s that beats the Shield or Shield Pro except for the lower price.
      Apple tv is better and cheaper, but shield can pass through more audio codecs and is more grey market app friendly. Apple tv will convert dolby true hd and simialr codecs to pcm, so you lose no quality... but true hd atmos loses the metadata. You can only play eac3 atmos with apple tv, but any streaming service uses this format and so do "web rips". Apple Music in atmos makes more sense with a surround sound setup that supports atmos vs headphones, that was a huge selling point for me.

      Some people think Dolby Vision support on the shield is better, right now its exactly the same with plex/infuse. Profile 5 and 8 work properly on these devices, 7 falls back to hdr and sometimes plays in a dolby vision container (its hdr, but your tv will say dolby vision).

      Oh, and yes IPTV apps are available on apple tv, but Im not sure if any are good. I always just used vlc, easier to manage from my phone and I only ever stream specific events.
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  • sonyHdr12
    • I’m looking at an Apple TV purely as a HomeKit router, figure it’d at least more useful than a HomePod (I use nest audios).

      So is this, with the Ethernet, the best option then?

      I suppose I’m likely to (eventually?) also make use of the apple tv itself - what are you actually missing with not thr newest just released?

      Also aren’t these streaming devices ? What are you storing on 64 or even 128gb?
      I saw the difference between Gen 2 and Gen 3 about matter, the Gen 2 only supports HomeKit only devices, the Gen 3 support all the devices with matter, I saw these from apple.ca
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  • a_dee
    • The problem with the shield is that it was released almost 3.5 years ago and it doesn't make sense to get one right now as they will probably release a newer one soon.
      yes, and doesn't support VP9, so no HDR in youtube.
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  • Kaitlyn
    • I’m looking at an Apple TV purely as a HomeKit router, figure it’d at least more useful than a HomePod (I use nest audios).

      So is this, with the Ethernet, the best option then?

      I suppose I’m likely to (eventually?) also make use of the apple tv itself - what are you actually missing with not thr newest just released?

      Also aren’t these streaming devices ? What are you storing on 64 or even 128gb?
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  • tomadams
    • I have two fire sticks, they suck and reboot all the time during playback. Both of them do it. I bought a Google TV (1080P) and tried to cast to it and it was all jittery when mirroring the screen of my Mac (M1 air, on a reasonably good ASUS router, when I was sitting about 8 feet from the router and the Google TV was like 3 feet from the router). I couldn't get it to work very well when I was trying to cast some NBA streams. The Apple TV seems better in regards to less jitter when casting but not nearly as good regarding having to use Siri instead of Google assistant. Also I have a nest hub max which was nice to use to control the google tv but it is what it is. Would be nice if they played together better somehow.
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  • enigma54
    • The problem with the shield is that it was released almost 3.5 years ago and it doesn't make sense to get one right now as they will probably release a newer one soon.
      Yeah it's 3.5 years old and this thing never goes on sale. The specs are still powerful enough to do everything you need including transcoding for Plex. I'm waiting for an updated version too, but I'm beginning to wonder whether Nvidia will abandon development of this product altogether. Killing game streaming doesn't send positive signals about a future Shield product. Hope I'm wrong.
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  • jetertmac
    • I know it’s more expensive, but isn’t the Nvidia Shield still the one to beat in this category? I use a few Firestick 4K’s and some of its limitations are surfacing now after several years of use. I don’t see anything about these ATV’s that beats the Shield or Shield Pro except for the lower price.
      The problem with the shield is that it was released almost 3.5 years ago and it doesn't make sense to get one right now as they will probably release a newer one soon.
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  • boldventure
    • That won't solve your 4k movie problem


      Google killed 4k movies for everyone that uses a 3rd party device when they shut down Google Play Movies. the YouTube app only plays movies in 1080p on every device I've tried
      I guess I need a Google Chromecast TV 4K to play my Google 4 movies.
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  • Viper98
    • I know it’s more expensive, but isn’t the Nvidia Shield still the one to beat in this category? I use a few Firestick 4K’s and some of its limitations are surfacing now after several years of use. I don’t see anything about these ATV’s that beats the Shield or Shield Pro except for the lower price.
      I guess it depends on your use case


      But I'd suspect the ATV is much better for the majority of people especially since nVidia is killing game streaming on the shield and forcing people to switch to Steam, which is evey bit as good if not a better experience on ATV
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  • enigma54
    • I know it’s more expensive, but isn’t the Nvidia Shield still the one to beat in this category? I use a few Firestick 4K’s and some of its limitations are surfacing now after several years of use. I don’t see anything about these ATV’s that beats the Shield or Shield Pro except for the lower price.
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  • Viper98
    • I have 4K movies in google play movies but it only plays FHD in youtube in this ATV 4K, same in iPhone 13PM.

      I have gen 1 and 2, and tempted to get another gen 2 64GB because I can get it for only $122.96
      That won't solve your 4k movie problem


      Google killed 4k movies for everyone that uses a 3rd party device when they shut down Google Play Movies. the YouTube app only plays movies in 1080p on every device I've tried
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  • boldventure
    • I have 4K movies in google play movies but it only plays FHD in youtube in this ATV 4K, same in iPhone 13PM.

      I have gen 1 and 2, and tempted to get another gen 2 64GB because I can get it for only $122.96
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  • SirCheese
    • Thanks OP. Picked one up to replace a Chromecast HD that I picked up before Xmas, the performance in certain apps was terrible(video stuttering).
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  • sonyHdr12
    • I have 5 Apple TV 4K at home. Some are the 2017 first gen and some are the 2021 one. All my videos are in my office’s late 2015 iMac 27. Everything’s smooth like butter. No plan/need to upgrade anything. Talk about long term value.

      I got two of the 1st Gen one from Kijiji for $40 each !

      I’ve tried Google TV 4K when it was on sale for $49.99 and I bought two. Returned within a week. The experience is night and day.
      I had all 3 Gens 4K ATV, I also got 4K Gen 1 from 2017, I got Google 4K TV for $40 as well( I don’t hate it , it’s good bonus, but I hate the browser on it , you have to use mouse&keyboard , and very sluggish on it). on 4K ATV the browser experience is way much better, I just use remote click 2 buttons it’s good to go, if I want to input website I got notifications on my iPhone immediately. I use browser &youtube on Atv 90% of my time.) I’m curious why you bought very old ATV Gen 1? I sold atv Gen 3 for $40 , 4K Gen 1 for $110 before Christmas.
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  • sonyHdr12
    • I have 5 Apple TV 4K at home. Some are the 2017 first gen and some are the 2021 one. All my videos are in my office’s late 2015 iMac 27. Everything’s smooth like butter. No plan/need to upgrade anything. Talk about long term value.

      I got two of the 1st Gen one from Kijiji for $40 each !

      I’ve tried Google TV 4K when it was on sale for $49.99 and I bought two. Returned within a week. The experience is night and day.
      I had all 3 Gens 4K ATV, I also got 4K Gen 1 from 2017, I got Google 4K TV for $40 as well( I don’t hate it , it’s good bonus, but I hate the browser on it , you have to use mouse&keyboard , and very sluggish) on 4K ATV the browser experience is way much better, I just use remote click 2 buttons it’s good to go, if I want to input website I got notifications on my iPhone immediately. I use browser &youtube on Atv 90% of my time.) I’m curious why you bought very old ATV Gen 1? I sold atv Gen 3 for $40 , 4K Gen 1 for $110 before Christmas.
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  • sonyHdr12
    • I have 5 Apple TV 4K at home. Some are the 2017 first gen and some are the 2021 one. All my videos are in my office’s late 2015 iMac 27. Everything’s smooth like butter. No plan/need to upgrade anything. Talk about long term value.

      I got two of the 1st Gen one from Kijiji for $40 each !

      I’ve tried Google TV 4K when it was on sale for $49.99 and I bought two. Returned within a week. The experience is night and day.
      I had all 3 Gens 4K ATV, I also got 4K Gen 1 from 2017, I got Google 4K TV for $40 as well( I don’t hate it , it’s good bonus, but I hate the browser on it , you have to use mouse&keyboard , and very sluggish) on 4K ATV the browser experience is way much better, I just use remote click 2 buttons it’s good to go, if I want to input website I got notifications on my iPhone immediately. I use browser &youtube on Atv 90% of my time.) I’m curious why you bought very old ATV Gen 1? I sold atv Gen 3 for $40 , 4K Gen 1 for $110 before Christmas.
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  • Germain85
    • Is this compatible with any any IPTV apps like STBemu, TiViMate etc?
      Yes

      Not those specific apps, but there are numerous apps you can use.

      I jump between IPTVX and IPlayTV

      Tivimax ( copy of tivimate )$$ and ISTB my best player! 👌
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