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Leap into a new generation at Best Buy, where all-new AMD Ryzen 7000 Series Processors are now available in Canada.

Originally released on September 27, the 7000 Series is AMD's latest-generation of desktop processors built on their Zen 4 architecture, with improvements including better gaming performance and support for bleeding-edge technology like DDR5 memory.

NOTE: all AMD Ryzen 7000 Series processors use a new AM5 CPU socket and DDR5 memory, both of which are not backwards compatible with previous-generation AM4 motherboards or DDR4 memory.

For reference, Best Buy's pricing is at MSRP and slightly less than other retailers like Canada Computers and Newegg.ca, where list prices are up to $20.00 higher.

AMD Ryzen 7000 Series Processors are available online and Best Buy offers free shipping with orders over $35.00 (excluding oversized items) and free in-store/curbside pick-up with no minimum.

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    • My main rig is 11 years old so I'm definitely building a new PC soon. Was gonna upgrade a year ago but decided to wait for Zen 4 since it'll be a new platform. When do you guys think it will make the most sense to build, I was thinking black friday? Some thoughts:

      - Only the expensive X series motherboards will be available when zen 4 releases, if you want a cheaper B series board you will have to wait till some time in october. Although I guess it's possible (but probably unlikely) that at least a few of the x series won't be too expensive.
      - m.2 drives that take advantage of pci-e 5.0 won't be out till november (and will probably be really expensive for a while) so not sure if I should get whatever is available in october, or use my old sata ssd until 5.0 m.2 drives become widely available. Do you guys think there will be a noticeable difference in everyday use when using a pci-e 4.0 vs 5.0 drive?
      - Do you guys think the release of raptor lake might drive down prices of zen 4, so would it make sense to wait till then to build?
      - Still no info about the release date of rdna 3 of rtx 4000, and the mid-range (rx7700/7600 or rtx 4060/4070) probably won't be seen till spring/summer so I should probably just get a rx6600 or rx6700 and maybe upgrade in a few years. Not willing to pay the $1000 that a high end rtx 4000 or rx7000 is sure to cost.
      I think the cheapest X series board so far is around $290 USD.

      I kinda doubt for gaming and general use a PCI-E 5.0 drive is going to be that dramatic of a difference. The bottleneck for games has traditionally been the CPU dealing with the data from the SSD, not the raw throughput.

      I think it might do something. A Zen 4 is a beast but it's not a clear generation ahead of Alder Lake on DDR5. A 12600K (using DDR5) is within 10% of a 7600X, so it's not inconceivable a 13600K will match or exceed it. Given that the motherboard cost of Intel will be cheaper with Z690 and B660 stock still being on shelves, it may push AMD to lower prices a bit. Depends on how much people are willing to pay for the upgrade path AM5 brings.

      If the upper end of your budget is 6700/3070, I'd probably wait until at least November 3rd before pulling the trigger. I really doubt AMD announces anything under 850USD and honestly could just launch one super expensive SKU, but you've stayed 11 years on your Sandy Bridge/Bulldozer build, what's 4 more weeks? AMD could make a play that pushes prices down a bit more. They already did a decent MSRP cut about a week ago.
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    • My main rig is 11 years old so I'm definitely building a new PC soon. Was gonna upgrade a year ago but decided to wait for Zen 4 since it'll be a new platform. When do you guys think it will make the most sense to build, I was thinking black friday? Some thoughts:

      - Only the expensive X series motherboards will be available when zen 4 releases, if you want a cheaper B series board you will have to wait till some time in october. Although I guess it's possible (but probably unlikely) that at least a few of the x series won't be too expensive.
      - m.2 drives that take advantage of pci-e 5.0 won't be out till november (and will probably be really expensive for a while) so not sure if I should get whatever is available in october, or use my old sata ssd until 5.0 m.2 drives become widely available. Do you guys think there will be a noticeable difference in everyday use when using a pci-e 4.0 vs 5.0 drive?
      - Do you guys think the release of raptor lake might drive down prices of zen 4, so would it make sense to wait till then to build?
      - Still no info about the release date of rdna 3 of rtx 4000, and the mid-range (rx7700/7600 or rtx 4060/4070) probably won't be seen till spring/summer so I should probably just get a rx6600 or rx6700 and maybe upgrade in a few years. Not willing to pay the $1000 that a high end rtx 4000 or rx7000 is sure to cost.
      If you've lasted this long clearly you are not in a hurry. Unless you have something specific you want to do with this new build (which doesn't sound like it), I'd just wait till Black Friday at minimal to see any deals. Might also be a good time to get previous gen for much cheaper.
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    • Clickbait-ish title from Jay, but interesting video. Gives you an idea of what kind of coolers you can use on Day 1 Ryzen 7000 adopters. You have to be aware of some cooler compatibility.
      9:10 timestamp: AMD is aware of this and they are coming out with a bracket, but won't be available Day 1.
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dpdf0g3zAqA
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    • "AMD's Value Problem" has excessively negative slant. Basically we need to wait another month or so for cheaper (under US$200) B650 motherboards to appear, that's it. And even with that, it is no secret that it is solidly mid-range (US$299 CPU) solution for now.

      Now if Intel is bringing out value (i3) Raptor Lake this month that can drop in existing DDR4 motherboards and give good performance, then maybe Intel wins low-end for now, and maybe that will push AMD to bring out Ryzen 3 Zen4 earlier than planned. Competition is great.
      I think part of the problem for AMD is that even if B650 is far more reasonable price wise, buyers can still likely get a Z690 or B660 for even less and still go Raptor/Alder Lake. I’d argue it’s worth the price premium as AM5 gets you an upgrade path but that might not be relevant if you’re on a fixed budget.
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    • a good pcie 4 ssd does around 7000-74000 mb/s the first gen pci-e 5 drives will do like 10000 i highly doubt anyone is gonna notice the dif between a gen 4 ssd and a gen 5 for anything other then coping very large files between 2 gen 5 ssds.

      in day to the day pc usage even game load times the dif between gen 3 ssds and gen 4 even is barely noticeable gen 5 will be even less noticeable.
      Right and I'll be using his current ssd's in the new build so even less need for PCIe 5.0
      Guess we'll see what Black Friday (month) brings.
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    • I'll be building a budget gaming rig for a relative soon and I've been looking at the options. It's the non-x 5600 vs the 12400F. The 12400F gives a path to PCIe 5.0 ssd's and DDR5 memory and it has a slight performance advantage in single and multi threaded apps but it costs $220 compared to the 5600 costing $180. Not just that but an LGA1700 mobo with DDR5 support starts at around $250, 16gb of ram isn't bad at $100 or so for the cheap stuff.
      It's about $200 more to step up to an Intel setup, or about $550-$575 for the mobo, ram and cpu.
      For an AMD setup it would cost about $400 for a mobo, 16gb ram and a non-x 6600.

      Add $400 for an RTX 3060 or RX 6650 or RX6700
      Case, PSU and fans $200-$250

      Total minimum:
      $1150 Intel
      $1000 AMD

      Basically the AMD build would allow an RTX 3070 instead of the RTX 3060 although he's just a 1080p gamer but that may change. I think although the AMD system will be using DDR4 ram, it will still get better fps, especially if he upgrades to 1440p down the road. It seems like getting the most horsepower out of a cheap gaming system still means using AMD but it's not that far off and if a person could really benefit from the PCIe 5.0 ssd's then it sways it back a bit towards Intel. Perhaps the black friday pricing will dictate which way to go but it's leaning AMD at this point.
      a good pcie 4 ssd does around 7000-7400 mb/s the first gen pci-e 5 drives will do like 10000 i highly doubt anyone is gonna notice the dif between a gen 4 ssd and a gen 5 for anything other then coping very large files between 2 gen 5 ssds.

      in day to the day pc usage even game load times the dif between gen 3 ssds and gen 4 even is barely noticeable gen 5 will be even less noticeable.
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    • I'll be building a budget gaming rig for a relative soon and I've been looking at the options. It's the non-x 5600 vs the 12400F. The 12400F gives a path to PCIe 5.0 ssd's and DDR5 memory and it has a slight performance advantage in single and multi threaded apps but it costs $220 compared to the 5600 costing $180. Not just that but an LGA1700 mobo with DDR5 support starts at around $250, 16gb of ram isn't bad at $100 or so for the cheap stuff.
      It's about $200 more to step up to an Intel setup, or about $550-$575 for the mobo, ram and cpu.
      For an AMD setup it would cost about $400 for a mobo, 16gb ram and a non-x 6600.

      Add $400 for an RTX 3060 or RX 6650 or RX6700
      Case, PSU and fans $200-$250

      Total minimum:
      $1150 Intel
      $1000 AMD

      Basically the AMD build would allow an RTX 3070 instead of the RTX 3060 although he's just a 1080p gamer but that may change. I think although the AMD system will be using DDR4 ram, it will still get better fps, especially if he upgrades to 1440p down the road. It seems like getting the most horsepower out of a cheap gaming system still means using AMD but it's not that far off and if a person could really benefit from the PCIe 5.0 ssd's then it sways it back a bit towards Intel. Perhaps the black friday pricing will dictate which way to go but it's leaning AMD at this point.
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    • U.S. Retailer Gives Free 32GB DDR5-5600 Kit with Ryzen 7000 CPU

      Any Canadian retailers doing something similar? 😃 That goes a long way to make up for the "no cheap motherboards" competitive disadvantage against Intel Raptor Lake (which can use DDR4 and even existing 12th-gen motherboards).

      I wonder if it says more about overall desktop computer market? (Bad economy / inflation / high interest rate / recession; lots of people already upgraded during pandemic so less demand at this time in the natural replacement cycle.)
      nope.

      newegg had a couple motherboard cpu combos that basically took $20 off no one else has any deals everything cpu and motherboard wise is msrp and ddr5 some stores have minor discounts over mspr price.

      shops mostly only got a handful of boards in if any memory express basically got a few gigabyte boards and nothing else. cc got a few boards to pick from but not all of the x670e boards that should be out are in stock. newegg had the most to pick from but alot of there stock in coming out of the us with $30 shipping fees. amazon.ca don't even seem like there interested they have like 1 board...
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    • U.S. Retailer Gives Free 32GB DDR5-5600 Kit with Ryzen 7000 CPU

      Any Canadian retailers doing something similar? 😃 That goes a long way to make up for the "no cheap motherboards" competitive disadvantage against Intel Raptor Lake (which can use DDR4 and even existing 12th-gen motherboards).

      I wonder if it says more about overall desktop computer market? (Bad economy / inflation / high interest rate / recession; lots of people already upgraded during pandemic so less demand at this time in the natural replacement cycle.)
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    • It's all so tiresome. Here's your $1000 CPU bro. Meanwhile your 18% IPC uplift is made irrelevant by indian programmers churning out spaghetti code for everything.

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    • I wonder if AMD will drop prices when 13th gen Intel releases at the end of next month.
      Highly doubt the 7000s will go on sale any time soon. The 5000s just had a big sale last week.
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    • I can't justify getting a mid range 7000 series.

      Wanted to get a 7700x, but the value isn't there. Intel 13700k looks like it will totally win that segment at the same cost.

      I wonder if AMD will drop prices when 13th gen Intel releases at the end of next month.
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    • First time build and I ordered 7900x. It's probably an overkill but it happens after 8 year old pc started to give out. I guess I will decide on the Motherboard and RAM by tomorrow. I am not sure about RAM which is designed for Ryzen 7000 though.
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    • Aside from benchmarking I never exceed more than 30% CPU utilization on my 3900X; watching youtube on one screen + game running on another screen + two VMs running + backup happening. That load used to bring my 15-6500 to it's knees which was why I upgraded to the 3900X.

      I will wait until PCIE5 NVME becomes more mainstream and affordable then I will do an AM5 build, probably an 8C/16T Ryzen CPU.
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    • Well... definitely won't be going with an AMD Zen 4 chip anytime soon.

      Was hoping to get parts for a new build around black Friday, leaning towards a 5800X3D (or similar Intel raptor lake chip) + 3080ti or 6950xt depending on how prices look.
      Yeah, there's no point going AM5 so early. I built a Ryzen 9 / 5900X system last weekend and have zero regrets. Already a giant leap in performance compared to my 10 year old PC with a FX-8350. I'll do an upgrade to AM5 or AM6 ten years from now

      EDIT: Actually, I took a look at the prices and it's not too bad. Costs about the same as my 5900x mini-ITX build, even after you add a case

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    • slim picking on motherboards in stock seems like no one got shipments of motherboards. just a couple gigabyte boards in stock nothing from asus or msi. cpus seem plentiful though. newegg is listing most stuff as pre order and cc memx just out of stock on basically everything. amazon hasn't even put nothing up.
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    • Just upgraded to a 5600x from a i5-4670 earlier this year, thinking of the performance makes me a foam at the mouth.

      Looks like it will be expensive for some time to come.
      yup built a rig with 5600x last year. Was using 8400.
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    • AMD's value play is super obvious here it's a little surprising "influencers" haven't really touched it. AMD and everyone hinted at it when AM5 was announced.

      AM5 = Cutting edge, crush Intel, yolo. if you got the money pay to play.

      AM4= value play for $600 build a system that goes toe to toe with the 12900KF in gaming. Or If you already have an AM4 just drop in a 5800X3D. Everyone's moaning about how bad the value on the 7600X is and how AMD messed up. They didn't mess up it's a calculated move to keep sales in the 5000 series going. The 5800X3D makes so much more sense in how they "handicapped" it now that AM5 is released.
      They definitely aren't bringing Zen 4 to AM4. They might bring another X3D chip. Hearing AMD talk about Zen 4 and AM5 it's clear it's not designed with backwards compatibility in mind. Plus Zen 3 can still go toe to toe with Intel all they gotta do is rejig the pricing.

      What I am disappointed by is terrible thermals on AM5 by keeping the Z height the same. Delid drops temps like 20c.
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    • Well the 7600x is for sale at Canada computers but it's $419. Kinda hard to justify at this cost, considering the 5600 is $200 and the i5-12400F is $219.

      Also, I still don't see a single AM5 motherboard for sale at any Canadian retailer. Not that I would pay the $500+ I'm sure it'll cost for one even if they were available.

      I will wait till the B series motherboards are out, and hopefully the cpu goes on sale for black friday too. If not, I'll probably go with alder lake for my build. I've always preferred AMD over intel but I can't handle this kind of price premium.
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    • Well... definitely won't be going with an AMD Zen 4 chip anytime soon.

      Was hoping to get parts for a new build around black Friday, leaning towards a 5800X3D (or similar Intel raptor lake chip) + 3080ti or 6950xt depending on how prices look.
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    • "AMD's Value Problem" has excessively negative slant. Basically we need to wait another month or so for cheaper (under US$200) B650 motherboards to appear, that's it. And even with that, it is no secret that it is solidly mid-range (US$299 CPU) solution for now.

      Now if Intel is bringing out value (i3) Raptor Lake this month that can drop in existing DDR4 motherboards and give good performance, then maybe Intel wins low-end for now, and maybe that will push AMD to bring out Ryzen 3 Zen4 earlier than planned. Competition is great.
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    • 95°C is Now Normal: AMD Ryzen 9 7950X CPU Review & Benchmarks
      https://youtu.be/nRaJXZMOMPU
      In this review & benchmark series, we're testing the AMD Zen 4 Ryzen 9 7950X CPU (R9 7950X) versus the Intel i9-12900K, AMD R9 5950X, AMD R9 3900X, and even the AMD R7 1700. We have plenty of tests coming up on the R9 7900X, R7 7700X, and R5 7600X, but those will be in videos immediately following this one. For now, our focus is on testing the 7950X and explaining the new behavior where the CPU clocks to the highest frequency it can achieve at 95 degrees Celsius -- and that's normal, not considered "overheating" or "thermal throttling" with these new CPUs.

      The R9 7950X release date is 9/27/22, tomorrow, but reviews can go up today. The other Ryzen 7000 CPUs go up at the same time.

      TIMESTAMPS

      00:00 - AMD Ryzen 9 7950X CPU Review
      01:37 - Test Motherboards, RAM, & AMD EXPO
      02:37 - MASSIVE FULL TEAM UNDERTAKING: Methodology
      03:09 - System Instability & BIOS Problems
      04:08 - 95 Degrees Celsius is 'Normal'
      05:20 - Thermal Benchmarks & Frequency (AMD R9 7950X Temperature)
      07:10 - Core-to-Core Temperature Deltas on 7950X
      08:12 - Single-Core Boost Frequency is 5.75GHz
      08:35 - AMD Ryzen 7950X Power Consumption
      10:16 - Single-Core Power Consumption on R9 7950X
      10:41 - AMD 7950X CPU Rendering Benchmarks (Blender Cycles)
      11:44 - Overstated Power Efficiency Claims
      12:47 - Code Compile Programming CPU Benchmarks (7950X vs. 12900K
      13:34 - AMD's BS TDP Numbers
      14:56 - Compression & Decompression Benchmarks
      16:32 - Adobe Premiere Best CPUs (AMD Zen 4 7950X)
      17:20 - Adobe Photoshop CPU Benchmarks
      17:58 - Very Hard to Benchmark Games on 7950X
      18:35 - CSGO CPU Benchmarks (AMD Ryzen 7000) - 1080p & 1440p
      19:41 - Rainbow Six Siege CPU Benchmarks 2022
      20:27 - Small Frametime Issue in Far Cry 6
      21:39 - Tomb Raider FPS Benchmarks (7950X vs 5950X, 5800X3D, 3900X)
      23:04 - F1 2022 CPU Tests (1080p & 1440p)
      23:52 - The Bottleneck Problem
      24:15 - Conclusion: Gaming, "Overheating" CPU, Power, & Production

      AMD's Value Problem: Ryzen 5 7600X CPU Review, Benchmarks, & Expensive Motherboards by Gamer Nexus
      https://youtu.be/JM-twyjfYIw
      The AMD Ryzen 5 7600X (R5 7600X) CPU has some serious value problems, with the total platform cost of an X670 board, the CPU itself, DDR5, and the higher-end cooler ballooning the entry point to DIY PC building. Until the B650 motherboards come out -- which is in October sometime -- the X670 and X670E boards make R5 7600X builds completely untenable from a value perspective. It's disappointing too, as the R5 CPUs have been a strong foothold for AMD Ryzen CPUs against Intel for about 4 years now. AMD has finally lost that, with Intel chipping away more and more at the low-end and mid-range while AMD focuses on the high-cost parts.

      TIMESTAMPS

      00:00 - AMD Ryzen 5 7600X
      01:20 - The Value Problem
      03:41 - R5 7600X CSGO Gaming Benchmarks (1080p & 1440p)
      05:13 - Rainbow Six Siege 7600X Benchmarks vs. R5 3600
      06:07 - Stop Thinking About Upgrading If...
      06:55 - Far Cry 6 Best CPUs of 2022
      07:55 - Thoughts on Zen 4 Performance So Far
      08:29 - Final Fantasy 14 CPU Benchmark (7600X vs. 12600K)
      09:24 - Tomb Raider 1080p & 1440p CPU Benchmarks
      10:29 - F1 2022 Ryzen 5 7600X Gaming FPS
      11:28 - CPU Rendering Benchmarks (Blender Cycles 7600X)
      12:55 - Power Efficiency Comparison (Perf/W)
      14:03 - Code Compile Programming CPU Benchmarks (Chromium)
      15:09 - Compression & Decompression Benchmarks (7600X)
      16:20 - Adobe Premiere CPU Benchmarks (Best CPUs 2022)
      17:14 - Adobe Photoshop Ryzen 5 7600X Benchmarks
      17:56 - Thermal Benchmarks & 7600X Temperature vs. Frequency
      18:55 - 7600X Power Consumption Testing
      20:06 - Conclusion & Extremely High Entry Price
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    • Need more m-ITX mobos out there!
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    • Looking to build a new PC. Currently using a Ryzen 1700 CPU. I was an early adopter back then and plan to adopt the new AM5 platform 😃
      Honestly, my overclocked 1700 has held up really well.

      I'll probably wait till around christmas/boxing day, to see how the reviews come in and how it competes with Intel 13th gen. Competition is good!
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    • No matter how great this looks, Raptor Lake is right around the corner, it is prudent to wait another month or so until one can objectively compare the two. (Having meaningful competition is great!)
      Agreed, Linus is such a fanboy with his "Intel is in trouble" stuff. I am glad to see the 7950X is $100 USD cheaper than the 5950X was at launch though as well as the lower end stuff being a bit cheaper too.
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    • One hopes AMD has learned something from the AM4 firmware upgrade debacle such that all AM5 motherboards will be upwardly compatible with later AM5 CPUs. It will be hard for AM5 to have the longevity AMD intends if buyers of future CPUs will still need to get an obsolete CPU to flash in-production motherboards with new firmware.
      Buy a motherboard with BIOS flashback, best feature ever, problem with any BIOS update is solved, many B450 and B550 as well as X470 and X570 boards have it.

      This is a quick and dirty (and old as it only has Z490 chipset for Intel) list of motherboards that support it.

      https://www.build-gaming-computers.com/ ... hback.html
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    • No matter how great this looks, Raptor Lake is right around the corner, it is prudent to wait another month or so until one can objectively compare the two. (Having meaningful competition is great!)
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    • I have the 5600x but still eyeing on the 7800X3D coming next year.
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    • My main rig is 11 years old so I'm definitely building a new PC soon. Was gonna upgrade a year ago but decided to wait for Zen 4 since it'll be a new platform. When do you guys think it will make the most sense to build, I was thinking black friday? Some thoughts:

      - Only the expensive X series motherboards will be available when zen 4 releases, if you want a cheaper B series board you will have to wait till some time in october. Although I guess it's possible (but probably unlikely) that at least a few of the x series won't be too expensive.
      - m.2 drives that take advantage of pci-e 5.0 won't be out till november (and will probably be really expensive for a while) so not sure if I should get whatever is available in october, or use my old sata ssd until 5.0 m.2 drives become widely available. Do you guys think there will be a noticeable difference in everyday use when using a pci-e 4.0 vs 5.0 drive?
      - Do you guys think the release of raptor lake might drive down prices of zen 4, so would it make sense to wait till then to build?
      - Still no info about the release date of rdna 3 of rtx 4000, and the mid-range (rx7700/7600 or rtx 4060/4070) probably won't be seen till spring/summer so I should probably just get a rx6600 or rx6700 and maybe upgrade in a few years. Not willing to pay the $1000 that a high end rtx 4000 or rx7000 is sure to cost.
      Usually the best prices comes within a month of black friday, usually a few weeks before and black friday might repeat some of those deals.

      However being a new platform, I don't foresee any deals for AM5 CPUs or Motherboards at least until next year, especially the higher end X series. Coupled with mandatory DDR5 it'll make for a pricy combo :(

      PCI-E gen 5 shouldnt be too relevant yet for storage since PCI-E gen 4 storage are just starting to go main stream. It'll be at least another year or two before you see Gen 5 drives on more general consumer product IMO.

      Yes I would think release of 13th gen raptor lake will make for some competition that might result in some price cutting from AMD. Especially if Zen4's performance is not as good as Raptor lake, then they'll have to compete with price reductions.

      Everything is just around the corner... unless you find a super bargain deal on GPUs, might as well see how things shakes out. Since for nvidia GPu they're hinting at 4070 level beating 3090 ?? Just rumors I guess.

      If you really really need a machine now, might as well do 12th gen intel with DDR4 and then upgrade in 3-4 years time once DDR5 prices are down to where DDR4 is now. That way you'll also still have the potential to get 13th gen raptor lake cpu upgrade. GPU wise... that'll be a tough choice since prices are just barely lower than MSRP for new GPUs.
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    • My main rig is 11 years old so I'm definitely building a new PC soon. Was gonna upgrade a year ago but decided to wait for Zen 4 since it'll be a new platform. When do you guys think it will make the most sense to build, I was thinking black friday? Some thoughts:

      - Only the expensive X series motherboards will be available when zen 4 releases, if you want a cheaper B series board you will have to wait till some time in october. Although I guess it's possible (but probably unlikely) that at least a few of the x series won't be too expensive.
      - m.2 drives that take advantage of pci-e 5.0 won't be out till november (and will probably be really expensive for a while) so not sure if I should get whatever is available in october, or use my old sata ssd until 5.0 m.2 drives become widely available. Do you guys think there will be a noticeable difference in everyday use when using a pci-e 4.0 vs 5.0 drive?
      - Do you guys think the release of raptor lake might drive down prices of zen 4, so would it make sense to wait till then to build?
      - Still no info about the release date of rdna 3 of rtx 4000, and the mid-range (rx7700/7600 or rtx 4060/4070) probably won't be seen till spring/summer so I should probably just get a rx6600 or rx6700 and maybe upgrade in a few years. Not willing to pay the $1000 that a high end rtx 4000 or rx7000 is sure to cost.
      The best time to build is when you need it, or when parts come up on sale. Otherwise you'll be waiting for the next new thing around the corner, which will always be coming from Intel or AMD.

      Being a new platform expect to pay handsomely for the motherboard, cpu, and DDR5. Just speculation, but I'd expect the prices to be quite a bit higher for the next year or two until the market gets more saturated, not to mention any potential bugs or quirks that might pop up for early adopters.

      Depending on your needs and budget, AM4 will still be the most bang for your buck in the near future, particularly if we see deals to clear stock.
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    • My main rig is 11 years old so I'm definitely building a new PC soon. Was gonna upgrade a year ago but decided to wait for Zen 4 since it'll be a new platform. When do you guys think it will make the most sense to build, I was thinking black friday? Some thoughts:

      - Only the expensive X series motherboards will be available when zen 4 releases, if you want a cheaper B series board you will have to wait till some time in october. Although I guess it's possible (but probably unlikely) that at least a few of the x series won't be too expensive.
      - m.2 drives that take advantage of pci-e 5.0 won't be out till november (and will probably be really expensive for a while) so not sure if I should get whatever is available in october, or use my old sata ssd until 5.0 m.2 drives become widely available. Do you guys think there will be a noticeable difference in everyday use when using a pci-e 4.0 vs 5.0 drive?
      - Do you guys think the release of raptor lake might drive down prices of zen 4, so would it make sense to wait till then to build?
      - Still no info about the release date of rdna 3 of rtx 4000, and the mid-range (rx7700/7600 or rtx 4060/4070) probably won't be seen till spring/summer so I should probably just get a rx6600 or rx6700 and maybe upgrade in a few years. Not willing to pay the $1000 that a high end rtx 4000 or rx7000 is sure to cost.
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    • Updated post #1 and thread title.
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    • One hopes AMD has learned something from the AM4 firmware upgrade debacle such that all AM5 motherboards will be upwardly compatible with later AM5 CPUs. It will be hard for AM5 to have the longevity AMD intends if buyers of future CPUs will still need to get an obsolete CPU to flash in-production motherboards with new firmware.
      Buy a motherboard with BIOS Flashback and this isn't a problem and any mid tier board nowadays comes with it although it could be going by a different name depending on the manufacturer.

      Edit - this was on sale for $50 a while back, you do not need a high end motherboard to get BIOS flashback or in Gigabyte's case Q-Flash Plus.

      https://www.amazon.ca/dp/B08F7J8XTV?tag ... th=1&psc=1
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    • that is more on the motherboard makers then amd as there is times its happened with intel to were a new chip comes that uses the same socket.
      At least with the Comet Lake/Rocket Lake transition, Intel released a new chipset for Rocket Lake. Anyone who wants a clean-slate Rocket Lake build can get a motherboard with the newer chipset and everything will work out of the box. Anyone who has an older Comet Lake CPU + board and wants to upgrade their CPU can just flash their board firmware with their old CPU before installing a RL CPU. This is a win-win for everyone.

      With AMD, there is no good path to do a clean-slate Ryzen 5 build. If you don't already have a Ryzen 3 CPU, your only options are to buy a premium motherboard with self-flashing support, fight with the motherboard manufacturer to get a board with current firmware, or fight with AMD to get a loaner CPU and take the risk of the extra CPU insertion/remove cycle damaging the motherboard. These aren't good choices.

      If AMD wants to stand its ground against Intel in the enthusiast space, it needs to make clean-slate builds as friction free as possible.
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    • One hopes AMD has learned something from the AM4 firmware upgrade debacle such that all AM5 motherboards will be upwardly compatible with later AM5 CPUs. It will be hard for AM5 to have the longevity AMD intends if buyers of future CPUs will still need to get an obsolete CPU to flash in-production motherboards with new firmware.

      AMD choosing to name their new storage platform Smart Access Storage (SAS) when that acronym already stands for a very well known enterprise storage interface, however, does not give much confidence in AMD's ability to exercise foresight in general.
      that is more on the motherboard makers then amd as there is times its happened with intel to were a new chip comes that uses the same socket. board makers have the option to make ways to flash the bios without a cpu or ram installed. asus calls it bios flash back other companies call it other things but they only choose to put it on the highest end boards. if the board makers just make that a standard option on all the boards going forward it wouldn't be a problem but then its one less thing for them to force u to spend more for a higher end board.
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    • One hopes AMD has learned something from the AM4 firmware upgrade debacle such that all AM5 motherboards will be upwardly compatible with later AM5 CPUs. It will be hard for AM5 to have the longevity AMD intends if buyers of future CPUs will still need to get an obsolete CPU to flash in-production motherboards with new firmware.

      AMD choosing to name their new storage platform Smart Access Storage (SAS) when that acronym already stands for a very well known enterprise storage interface, however, does not give much confidence in AMD's ability to exercise foresight in general.
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    • i will wait to see something that is not down on paper. linus is over-hyping this release as usual. in reality, you're probably going to only see a 15-20% performance boost in real life applications (ie not Cinebench benchmarks).
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    • Just upgraded to a 5600x from a i5-4670 earlier this year, thinking of the performance makes me a foam at the mouth.

      Looks like it will be expensive for some time to come.
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