Why are doctors CAPPED? And hockey players ***** about a CAP?

I don't get it. Why do they cap doctors? First of all, we NEED them. Secondly, a lot of the highest paid doctors that are capped DON'T work during the summer months cuz they go away. Thus, they accept less patients, and have less hours because why work more when you will only get X amount of money.

Also, i don't understand how sport players whine/***** about being capped when they do half-ass job at A HOBBY. (ie. vince carter)

Yea, Canada doesn't have enough money for doctors, but why do we give tax write-offs to sport teams?

Someone care to enlighten me?

15,000 MDs in Ontario, 13 active NBA players for the Toronto Raptors.

They generate $ too. Blah, there's too many ways to argue this.

Canadian Doctors are far more greedy than NHL players.

If you thought about it with a population of 32 million people; our medical schools could supply thousands of graduates to fill the current "shortage" overnight. But if the Leaf's needed a another Wanye Gretzky do you really think they could find one easily? This from a country which loves our hockey.

It's explain further later; saving this spot though .

Originally Posted by Kenneth

Canadian Doctors are far more greedy than NHL players.

If you thought about it with a population of 32 million people; our medical schools could supply thousands of graduates to fill the current "shortage" overnight. But if the Leaf's needed a another Wanye Gretzky do you really think they could find one easily? This from a country which loves our hockey.

It's explain further later; saving this spot though .

Yes we could get thousands............which lack skill. Do you really want to open up the enrollment?

Originally Posted by Aristophanes

15,000 MDs in Ontario, 13 active NBA players for the Toronto Raptors.

They generate $ too. Blah, there's too many ways to argue this.

Well i'm guessing the Raptors payroll is $60 million? Plus Blue Jays (1 milllion? j/k) Leafs...etc...i'm guessing the argos are poor like the jays? (I don't know anything about them)

Each doctor capped at what..200-400 thousand?

Why not upcap teachers salaries?

Why not the nurses?

Why not the police?

Why not firemen?

Where does it end?

You will end up just handing over your ENTIRE paycheque to the government to pay for all these high paid workers not to mention the free loaders of society.

Originally Posted by Montague

Why not upcap teachers salaries?

Why not the nurses?

Why not the police?

Why not firemen?

Where does it end?

You will end up just handing over your ENTIRE paycheque to the government to pay for all these high paid workers not to mention the free loaders of society.

I believe teachers should get paid more since they are teaching 50 kid classes now...
And all the extra work they gotta mark.... etc.

That's the diff between public & private sector. If we had a 2-tier health system where the other tier is privately funded, then governments can't place caps on that tier.

On the other hand, if we had a publicly funded monopolistic pro hockey league, then I can see salary caps being introduced. Imagine not having to pay to watch live NHL games?

Originally Posted by Kenneth

Canadian Doctors are far more greedy than NHL players.

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That's a big accusation you are making. Doctors in Canada specifically in Ontario have NOT gone on strike. They have committed to provide care to patients regardless of the state of pay negotiation with the government. Their pay have not caught up with rate of inflation over the past 10 years. Do you how much a family doctor make to see you? Approx $17 a visit in Newfoundland approx $27 a visit in ontario. Contrary to popular beliefs, they do not get fees for a referal to a specialist or writing a prescription.

Doctors in university affiliated hospital do not get a stipend for teaching residents/interns/medical students. It's all done for free. Yes, you can churn out thousands of doctors from medical school, or even better, just import them from China/India/Indonesia. The standard of care will suffer. The practice of medicine and the standard of care is different in every country. The same applies to lowering the requirements to medical school entrance in order to solve the shortage of MDs in this country. You create lower quality doctors and this health care.

At this point of time, Ontario doctors have been working without a valid contract with the goverment. It has been like this since mid-last year.
And yes, I can assure you that many excellent doctors are leaving Ontario and moving to Alberta or USA.

The cap on doctors is not really a big issue because most doctors do NOT cap anyway. The problem I have is the pay discrepancy between a family doctor and specialist. As the government is trying to promote primary care reform, it will only make sense to encourage more students going into family medicine. They are making family doctors pay so low that students are choosing to specialise.

We hear about not having enough family doctors much more than not having enough specialist. Stupid Mcguinty govt...

I'm paying more taxes this year due to health care premium. If I don't see an improvement in health care by next election, I'm voting Mcguinty out!

Originally Posted by aquariaguy

I don't get it. Why do they cap doctors? First of all, we NEED them. Secondly, a lot of the highest paid doctors that are capped DON'T work during the summer months cuz they go away. Thus, they accept less patients, and have less hours because why work more when you will only get X amount of money.

the health care premium will only get ontario back to pre-harris 'common sense' revolution funding levels, if that.

when you combine the per capita strips, and the the massive deficit that the tories saddled ontarians with, then the premium can only do so much.

it is going to be a demographic reality that our province will have to spend more and more on health care, as the baby boomers age. the majority of them haven't even reached retirement age yet, and unfortunately, unless they start living better, healthier lifestyles, my generation (and i'm guessing yours too) will have to pay for that.

anyone being reasonable can see that mcguinty cannot be blamed for that.

so, being completely realistic, one should see some improvement, but not a dramatic one.

That's exactly what I mean. With the health care premium, if I don't see an improvement by next election, I'm voting Mcguinty out. I want to see my tax dollar going into action. There's a question whether the 100% of the premium will go into health care. I want to see that audit as well.

I can almost guess that there will be no improvement. In fact, it's going to be worse in the health care system. Doctors are leaving the province because of lack of contract. The waiting list that the govt are talking about is going to be even LONGER!

Originally Posted by Master

The same applies to lowering the requirements to medical school entrance in order to solve the shortage of MDs in this country. You create lower quality doctors and this health care.

You don't need to lower med school requirements, there are many candidates that more than qualify under current requirements but aren't accepted due to lack of space. A guy with a 3.7 GPA gets accepted because he was a student council president over a guy with a 3.8 GPA who wasn't into organized extra-curricular's doesn’t make a better doctor. If anything, opening up med school spots will lead to inferior dentists!

Originally Posted by blue_xii

You don't need to lower med school requirements, there are many candidates that more than qualify under current requirements but aren't accepted due to lack of space. A guy with a 3.7 GPA gets accepted because he was a student council president over a guy with a 3.8 GPA who wasn't into organized extra-curricular's doesn’t make a better doctor. If anything, opening up med school spots will lead to inferior dentists!

I would choose the 3.7 guy too. That shows the 3.8 guy has no volunteer activites and shows he spent his whole life studying.

'm guessing the argos are poor like the jays?

Do NOT even mention the Argos payroll or any CFL team in this thread.

Outside of maybe one or two players most are not making alot of money.

PLUS you have to figure their careers in the sport is likely no more than five years.

Probably many auto workers make more money that the VAST majority of players in the CFL.

Many have to get other jobs in the offseason to supplement their income.