HDDVD vs. Upscaling quality

just wondering how big of a difference there is between the quality
i know HDDVD does 1080p... but the xbox360 can upscale normal dvds to 1080i (i think)
is the quality similar? or is it still night and day

If you have a good display, the difference is extremely noticable.

I always get into this argument with people.

I want to see a blind test done on the general population.

Take a sample of a thousand people and bring them each into a room separately. When they enter the room have either an upsampled DVD or a HD-DVD/Bluray-Disc playing on a highdef panel. Ask the person whether what is being played is high def or not.

My hypothesis is that a greater percentage of people will not be able to discern the high definition disc over the upscaled DVD.

Unfortunately I haven't been able to find a study as described above.

The real question is, are you happy with the quality of your upscaled DVDs/HD Downloads played on your xbox?

Originally Posted by SAN66

I always get into this argument with people.

I want to see a blind test done on the general population.

Take a sample of a thousand people and bring them each into a room separately. When they enter the room have either an upsampled DVD or a HD-DVD/Bluray-Disc playing on a highdef panel. Ask the person whether what is being played is high def or not.

My hypothesis is that a greater percentage of people will not be able to discern the high definition disc over the upscaled DVD.

Unfortunately I haven't been able to find a study as described above.

The real question is, are you happy with the quality of your upscaled DVDs/HD Downloads played on your xbox?

I think your right, I don't think the general public could tell the difference. When I was younger, I worked in an electronics store, where we had 1st generation plasma televisons. 50" pioneer plasmas for 20 000. I remember when we sold the demo unit off the sales floor, and we had nothing to put back in its place. We were left with these ugly holes in the wall from where the bracket was. We decided to just put up a painting in it's place until our next shipments of televisions arrived. I rememebr customers walking up to the painting, walking around it, touching it, and then asking me if it was a televisoin..

Originally Posted by goldenegg

If you have a good display, the difference is extremely noticable.

false. 1080i and 1080p is hardly noticeable, esp if you have a larger screen TV + sit at a normal distance. Maybe if you watch cartoon with hard lines.

Originally Posted by iamfat

false. 1080i and 1080p is hardly noticeable, esp if you have a larger screen TV + sit at a normal distance. Maybe if you watch cartoon with hard lines.

But I think the OP was comparing a "true" 1080i HDDVD image vs. an upsampled 480p image. In that case, there is a difference.

There is a huge difference between 1080p and 480i upscaled to 1080i/p. If you cannot see the difference, you are blind.

Originally Posted by Moot

There is a huge difference between 1080p and 480i upscaled to 1080i/p. If you cannot see the difference, you are blind.

I totally agree, I don't understand how you can't see a difference between SD and HD. I will saw that it does depend a bit on the quality of the transfer, but there is a clear difference.

I recently bought Casino Royal and was forced to get the SD version as I only have the HD DVD drive for my 360 and I hatethat I'm forced to watch it in SD knowing how good it would look in HD.

As a side note, you can also see a difference between broadcast HD and HD DVDs. This isn't a surprise considering the compression that goes on with broadcast signals but I really noticed the difference when King Kong was on TMN and I compared it to the HD DVD.

Originally Posted by Moot

There is a huge difference between 1080p and 480i upscaled to 1080i/p. If you cannot see the difference, you are blind.

agreed, HUGE difference

though i wouldn't go as far as saying they are blind.... but
1) probably sitting too far
2) non-HD capable TV (and but that i mean a TV with 1080 lines of NATIVE resolution or more, not that dumbarse 1024x768 rectangle pixeled "HD" plasmas)

i'll leave other issues out of this, such as proper connections ensuring HD, analog component and hdmi, colour calibration, etc.

Alright, so there's a huge difference between an upscaled DVD and an HDDVD.

There's also a huge difference between an upscaled DVD and a non-upscaled DVD, right?

I just bought a HDTV and the difference between upscaling improving it by a lot or not would greatly influence my desire to buy the 360 elite >.>

Got this over from avsforums.

A picture can speak a thousand words.

SD DVD up-converted (480i>1080i>768p) Pio DV-490V HDMI



Blu-Ray (1080p>1080i>768p) PS3 60g HDMI

Regular SD DVD vs. Blu-ray

SD


Blu-ray

Ah, I can see the difference but I had to scroll back and forth more than a few times.

What I really wanna see is a direct upscaled DVD vs. SD DVD

Is this 1080 p and other is 1080i Jeffy? Other one looks like crap lol

Originally Posted by SAN66

I always get into this argument with people.

I want to see a blind test done on the general population.

Take a sample of a thousand people and bring them each into a room separately. When they enter the room have either an upsampled DVD or a HD-DVD/Bluray-Disc playing on a highdef panel. Ask the person whether what is being played is high def or not.

My hypothesis is that a greater percentage of people will not be able to discern the high definition disc over the upscaled DVD.

Unfortunately I haven't been able to find a study as described above.

The real question is, are you happy with the quality of your upscaled DVDs/HD Downloads played on your xbox?

Just as there is no replacement for displacement there is also no replacement for missing data. Blu-ray and HD-DVD movies contain 1080 lines of progressive data while a standard DVD consists of 480 lines of data. Upscaling 480p to 1080p does not magically add these missing 600 lines of data. If you cannot discern the difference between an a DVD upscaled to 1080p and a Blu-ray or HD-DVD movie then your vision isn't that good because you should easily be able to see the additional detail.

Static images are easy to discern, how about watching it live? Sometimes I have trouble telling Hi Def dvds from SD dvds when the TV is properly calibrated.