Going in to grade 12 Help

How do you guys think university is?
How do you guys think Collage is?
Which one is easier to get a job in?
Is co-op any good to get a job?
I have the choice right now to change my grade 12 course just wonder what is the difference?
I want to go in to Information Technology at university Or Computer Systems Technology at collage.
Which One is better?

i personally always had a big NO in my head for colleges, but if you are interested in things that are more hands on, such as plumbing or agriculture, then go college, other than that, i'd say go university, it'll be tough, but

tough schooling = nice and easy future
nice and easy schooling = tough future

make the right choice

EDIT: i was just trying to get a point across, don't be afraid to study a certain area that you enjoy just because it may seem too tough, but my statement was not aimed towards people that may find the area that they enjoy easy

in other words, my statement was trying to get a specific point across that may not be true of everyone

Originally Posted by PlayerOne

tough schooling = nice and easy future
nice and easy schooling = tough future

Wrong.

Smart schooling = nice and easy future

Originally Posted by PlayerOne

tough schooling = nice and easy future
nice and easy schooling = tough future

make the right choice

Wow this is the biggest misconception I've ever read.

It's what you make of the schooling and how hard you apply your self. I know plenty of people that have degrees and are having a tough time out there. Me on the other hand have a simple little college diploma and I'm having very good success out in the work force. But I've worked my ass off to get where I am.

Do not think you can simply go to university and have everything handed to you on a silver platter once you graduate.

It is true that people with a degree tend to receive higher pay than college graduates but you still need to work for that money.

Originally Posted by J_u_n_i_o_r_3

I want to go in to Information Technology at university Or Computer Systems Technology at collage.
Which One is better?

I took the computer systems technology in college and if I had to do it over again I would take the Information Technology at university. Simply put, College doesn't teach near the same amount as a university course. I can remember my last year in college (of a 3 year program) I was learning the same things as a friend of mine in his 1st year university for computer science. Just some food for thought.

Originally Posted by Methy

I took the computer systems technology in college and if I had to do it over again I would take the Information Technology at university. Simply put, College doesn't teach near the same amount as a university course. I can remember my last year in college (of a 3 year program) I was learning the same things as a friend of mine in his 1st year university for computer science. Just some food for thought.

well, college is only 2, 3 year program and uni is 4 or 5 year long, of course you learn more.

Originally Posted by Methy

Wow this is the biggest misconception I've ever read.

It's what you make of the schooling and how hard you apply your self. I know plenty of people that have degrees and are having a tough time out there. Me on the other hand have a simple little college diploma and I'm having very good success out in the work force. But I've worked my ass off to get where I am.

Do not think you can simply go to university and have everything handed to you on a silver platter once you graduate.

It is true that people with a degree tend to receive higher pay than college graduates but you still need to work for that money.

What degreaa did you take in collage

its good that you're looking for early help on here...but my advice is to talk to your guidance counsellor at your school...they could help you on all of this, plus you can explain your personal situations better...

stay away from guidance counselors!.....they are morons.....they will break down your life into so few options and make you choose 1 or 2 routes....when in reality you have whole lot of routes.....

even if you had a 50avg in grade 11...you can get into a good univeristy with good gr 12 marks....if that is truly what you want to do

tell us more about what your interests are...and what you are thinking of taking etc.....if not go and take some aplitude tests....and figure out what you like.....take a good selection of courses

My interests are computers, i can get good marks when I try, in grade 12 international businesses I took on virtual school I achieved a mark of 86%. I was thinking now Information Technology at Ryerson. With Co Op
My 6 Grade 12s I decide was
English Grade 12
Data Management Grade 12
Information Technology Grade 12
Organization Business Grade 12
Photography Grade 12
International Business Grade 12 Already Have 86%
I’m weak In spelling this is by biggest weak point but theres spell chek lol

Originally Posted by J_u_n_i_o_r_3

How do you guys think university is?
How do you guys think Collage is?
Which one is easier to get a job in?
Is co-op any good to get a job?
I have the choice right now to change my grade 12 course just wonder what is the difference?
I want to go in to Information Technology at university Or Computer Systems Technology at collage.
Which One is better?

College = good
Whcih easier to get job? => College=underqualified, University=overqualified,Job=neither
Co-op=very good
In the end = doesn't matter, experience, experience, experience

BTW: What do you know about computer programming so far? You better get a head start and start differentiating yourself from the crowd, because its a big crowd. And regardless if you choose college or university, you're not going to be given anything (especially a job). Its always competition.

Originally Posted by J_u_n_i_o_r_3

My interests are computers, i can get good marks when I try, in grade 12 international businesses I took on virtual school I achieved a mark of 86%. I was thinking now Information Technology at Ryerson. With Co Op
My 6 Grade 12s I decide was
English Grade 12
Data Management Grade 12
Information Technology Grade 12
Organization Business Grade 12
Photography Grade 12
International Business Grade 12 Already Have 86%
I’m weak In spelling this is by biggest weak point but theres spell chek lol

Sounds like pretigious University of Waterloo Computer Engineering isn't for you. Cut-off was 96% average.
You should be taking 8-10 courses per year (disregard all the counsellors/principles who say you cant/shouldnt)

Calculus, Algebra, Physics, English are absolutely necessary for any higher end degree.

As for your selection:

Data Management => databases? Microsoft Access? Me thinks complete joke. Download a real database (Oracle, DB2, MS SQL Server), learn SQL, get a Java/.NET/C++ IDE, and follow the hundreds of tutorials online. Or better yet, pick up a Application Developer book... trust me, you will learn 100x more in a week, than the whole course.

Information Technology => learning to make arrays, and bubble sort, and some stupid history of computers drivel to memorize. Better pick up "New Scientist" or" Scientific American".

Organization Business => Boss is up there, you are down here. There, I gave away the big secret.

Photography=> Are you kidding me? Virtually all cameras
are point and shoot and include 100-200 page instructions of how aperature, ISO, AF, etc all work. Dont make photos against the lightsource (sun). Hold-half way to focus and then frame your shot. There, I saved you 4 months.

International Business => If this is an exchange program type thing it might be interesting. If on the other hand, they just reiterate what they say about globalization on TV, then you're better off staying at home for 4 months watching TV.

I disagree. I went for a 2 year computer system technician course with co-op... learned enough knowledge to obtain A+, network+, msca and ccna... and obtained a $34k/year job right out of college.

I only obtained my network+ and ccna, but still. You can't say it doesn't teach the same amount.

Then again, some of my college buddies who were playing games all class (and while I was studying) are working still looking for jobs... so keep in mind that if you put in a lot of effort, not always, but most the time you will get more out of it.

I believe University is geared towards project management or theoretical application where a college will give you the applied technologies. I think a lot of University courses (comp sci) teach and focus programming as well.

BTW, Our 3rd year of the Comp System technology course involved the accelerated CCNP semesters... again, all applied technologies vs theoretical (eg, voltages and resistance in electrical lines and the wonderful math to calculate it)

Originally Posted by Methy

I took the computer systems technology in college and if I had to do it over again I would take the Information Technology at university. Simply put, College doesn't teach near the same amount as a university course. I can remember my last year in college (of a 3 year program) I was learning the same things as a friend of mine in his 1st year university for computer science. Just some food for thought.

first figure out what type of job you would like.

volunteering in high school really helped me with finding what i liked.

and that is children. i worked in a daycare and i'm currently working in a summercamp and i love it. i'm in university so i could finish a ba in anything and then go to teachers college.

thats probably what i'm gonna end up doing.

Originally Posted by phatpat

1. A+, network+, msca and ccna... and obtained a $34k/year job right out of college.

2. I believe University is geared towards project management or theoretical application where a college will give you the applied technologies. I think a lot of University courses (comp sci) teach and focus programming as well.

3. BTW, Our 3rd year of the Comp System technology course involved the accelerated CCNP semesters... again, all applied technologies vs theoretical (eg, voltages and resistance in electrical lines and the wonderful math to calculate it)

1. What are A+, network+, msca, ccna?
2. Disregard any of that theory vs practical crap.
3. V = I x R. Resistors in series, you add resistance, in parallel you add and divide over their multiple. There, I saved you 4 months.

CCNA
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CCNA
might be usefull if trying to get work at Cisco... ofcourse employers demand experience.