Protien Shakes

[cummer]

does anyone do these? it's safe, right dog? My buddy minh told me to get some protien shakes. word on the street is i wanna get bigger muscles. consuming more protien will help right?

does anyone recommend which kind? i'm a gonna hit up square one for some shakes in a bit.

[Ren]

Maybe you should invest in some grammar lessons first ;) Anyways, protein powder is safe, and they work quite well. I noticed the difference right away. Make sure you look in to the right brand and do the research. The name of the powder I use escapes me now. Anyways good luck "dawg".

[miss_swan]

does anyone do these? it's safe, right dog? My buddy minh told me to get some protien shakes. word on the street is i wanna get bigger muscles. consuming more protien will help right?

does anyone recommend which kind? i'm a gonna hit up square one for some shakes in a bit.

It's safe ... if expensive on the wallet. You're paying for convenience "engineered" food really. If you don't have the time to prepare your own food then shakes can hit the spot if you choose a good product.

Of course, consuming protein just for the sake of consuming it will not give you "bigger" muscles without taking care of business first.

You have to work out, get rest, eat right and decrease stress and the rest will come. Shakes can help you increase protein intake when your body requires it for muscle maintenance/building.

But if you haven't gotten around to learning the iron game then spend your time and money going to the gym and learning about the lifestyle before plunking down hard earned cash on powder which ain't gonna help you by itself.

[Ren]

But if you haven't gotten around to learning the iron game then spend your time and money going to the gym and learning about the lifestyle before plunking down hard earned cash on powder which ain't gonna help you by itself.

Did I forget to mention that ;)

[JimG]

There was recently a show on the CBC I believe talking about performance enhancing supplements including protein powders. It talked about how you don't necessarily get whats written on the bottle and even noted that benefits from protein powders are questionable.

Jim

[baz5]

You guys can check out my company (if it's allowed) http://www.canadianwhey.com. Cheapest protein in Canada, yet the highest quality. Though, you probably won't be needing the 10lb tubs unless you are a bodybuilder, as it will last for ever.
No flavour, so you can take it plain, or add it to crystal light, which is what I do. Chocolate flavour will be released shortly.
Let me know if you have any questions.

[KennyX]

You guys can check out my company (if it's allowed) http://www.canadianwhey.com. Cheapest protein in Canada, yet the highest quality. Though, you probably won't be needing the 10lb tubs unless you are a bodybuilder, as it will last for ever.
No flavour, so you can take it plain, or add it to crystal light, which is what I do. Chocolate flavour will be released shortly.
Let me know if you have any questions.

I like the prices, and I especially like that you've got the 10lb tubs (I cant find it anywhere in Canada that has it).
What I dont like, is that it has no flavour (I tend to mix my Optimum Nutrition Whey Vanilla or Double Chocolate with just a bit of 2%skim and water).

Out of curiosity how would your whey powder taste with just water (or skim milk)?


Anyways, definately post when you have the chocolate flavour available, as I'll definately give it a try (the 10lb tubs are nice, it should last me longer than 1.5-2months).

[baz5]

With water, I don't mind it, and I know many people that just drink it with water no problem. On the other hand, I know people that don't like it at all. So, it's really tough to say. I used to use just water and just 'chug' it back, but now I just put it in Crystal light, and it tastes fine. If you put it in skim milk, you will barely taste anything, but the milk.

We did have an amazing chocolate flavour, but the cost is unbelievable, $15 more than the regular non-flavoured protein. So we are shopping around, and looking for an alternative.

[CSR]

Maybe you should invest in some grammar lessons first ;) Anyways, protein powder is safe, and they work quite well. I noticed the difference right away. Make sure you look in to the right brand and do the research. The name of the powder I use escapes me now. Anyways good luck "dawg".

why do ppl keep ranting on spelling on the net... damnit this is the internet where ppl like to keep it short and quick.... live with it!

[jesse14]

how long do 2.5lbs tubs usually last??

[Ren]

why do ppl keep ranting on spelling on the net... damnit this is the internet where ppl like to keep it short and quick.... live with it!

Yes, but I find more people can help you with a problem, if they can understand your question ;)

[daisyville]

how long do 2.5lbs tubs usually last??

Just like anything else - the answer is "it depends". Depends on how much you use per serving (people will vary), how many you may have in a day, if you have it every day, etc.

We go through quite a bit in our household, but we have two iron pumpers living here too.

[Kinki]

i know a 5lb bottle does around 70 servings.

[jesse14]

i know a 5lb bottle does around 70 servings.
35 for 2.5lb bottle and it cost 30. hmmm.... thats about $0.86 per serving... thats not bad
i think i might pick one up

[Kinki]

You can get ON Whey (optimumnutrition.com) from SND for about $0.65 per serving :)

I just got my order from them the other day and they even threw in a free sample! It was shipped from Waterloo to Toronto, but I was only charged GST and not PST. Free xpresspost shipping too with orders above $100 (about 3 bottles).

http://www3.sympatico.ca/garyng/whey1.jpg

http://www3.sympatico.ca/garyng/whey2.jpg

refer me if you can :) thx!
http://www.sndcanada.com/gc/gc_page.exe?A=10263


35 for 2.5lb bottle and it cost 30. hmmm.... thats about $0.86 per serving... thats not bad
i think i might pick one up

[jesse14]

You can get ON Whey (optimumnutrition.com) from SND for about $0.65 per serving :)

I just got my order from them the other day and they even threw in a free sample! It was shipped from Waterloo to Toronto, but I was only charged GST and not PST. Free xpresspost shipping too with orders above $100 (about 3 bottles).

http://www3.sympatico.ca/garyng/whey1.jpg

http://www3.sympatico.ca/garyng/whey2.jpg

refer me if you can :) thx!
http://www.sndcanada.com/gc/gc_page.exe?A=10263

i'll probably go to their store since there is one in my town

[Kinki]

there's one here too :) but the thing is when you buy online you save the PST.

i'll probably go to their store since there is one in my town

[baz5]

how long do 2.5lbs tubs usually last??
Depends on your diet and how much protein you consume.
For a healthier, higher protein diet, you will probably take 1-2 scoops a day (female, assuming you are?). You'll have about 50 servings in the 2.5lb tub.

[baz5]

You can get ON Whey (optimumnutrition.com) from SND for about $0.65 per serving :)

I just got my order from them the other day and they even threw in a free sample! It was shipped from Waterloo to Toronto, but I was only charged GST and not PST. Free xpresspost shipping too with orders above $100 (about 3 bottles).

refer me if you can :) thx!
http://www.sndcanada.com/gc/gc_page.exe?A=10263

For our 10lb pail, each serving comes out to about 34 cents. Almost half of that. We cut out the middleman, and plan on making our money through large volumes. That is why our prices are so low.

[KennyX]

there's one here too :) but the thing is when you buy online you save the PST.

Im pretty sure you dont get charged PST either at the store.

The only advantage to buying online is that you get free powerbar(s) as opposed to getting a free bottle of water if you go to the store.

[TrevorK]

For our 10lb pail, each serving comes out to about 34 cents. Almost half of that. We cut out the middleman, and plan on making our money through large volumes. That is why our prices are so low.

I might have to give your 10lbs pail a shot in a couple weeks when my 5lbs runs out.

Any idea if you're going to get flavours (choc.) soon?

[baz5]

I might have to give your 10lbs pail a shot in a couple weeks when my 5lbs runs out.

Any idea if you're going to get flavours (choc.) soon?

We should have had chocolate about now, but we are going to have to find a new flavour because the other one was so expensive (can't remember if I mentioned that or not). So, we are looking at about 2 weeks for a new chocolate flavour, assuming we can find what we are looking for shortly.

[jesse14]

Depends on your diet and how much protein you consume.
For a healthier, higher protein diet, you will probably take 1-2 scoops a day (female, assuming you are?). You'll have about 50 servings in the 2.5lb tub.

i'm a male!
if i pay with paypal. do u send the order once it's cleared? also what type of shipping do you guys use?

[TrevorK]

We should have had chocolate about now, but we are going to have to find a new flavour because the other one was so expensive (can't remember if I mentioned that or not). So, we are looking at about 2 weeks for a new chocolate flavour, assuming we can find what we are looking for shortly.

Can you PM me when you get the choc. flavour so I can check out the price and possibly order some?

[hamidrizvi]

i currently use a supplement called "N-Large 2"

Any1 else use it? i jsut started and wanna know if others think its any good.

[Powderworker]

You can get ON Whey (optimumnutrition.com) from SND for about $0.65 per serving :)

I just got my order from them the other day and they even threw in a free sample! It was shipped from Waterloo to Toronto, but I was only charged GST and not PST. Free xpresspost shipping too with orders above $100 (about 3 bottles).



What flavours did you order? I've tried Chocolate, and while it's not bad, I'm curious about the other flavours.

I've heard Strawberry is crap. What about this new Cookies and Cream flavour? Chocolate Mint?

[miss_swan]

i currently use a supplement called "N-Large 2"

Any1 else use it? i jsut started and wanna know if others think its any good.

I'm assuming Prolab? I'm inclined to believe from personal experience and from hype that Prolab products are good for the most part.

Really, the more important thing is whether you are taking advantage of the extra protein through the n-large2 through your workouts and lifestyle as opposed to the protein powder itself.

[Hurk]

I've read many articles in Men's Health and various other health magazine's and have a couple of pointers. If you are using it as a meal replacement, then it's more of a diet. If you use it for weightlifting, you need to consume it as soon as you can after working out. Your body needs it to help the muscles do their thing.

I started working out few months ago, and since I have been consuming protein after workouts, I have noticed a bit of difference.

The things with these shakes are, you get as much protien in a half a Peanut butter sandwich as you do with the shakes. The shakes just give more of other minerals and such.

Also, consuming 1200mu of Vitamin E helps repair your muscles faster. I use Centrum Performance daily and 400mu Vitamin E capsuls and hurt less the next day after workouts.

[Kinki]

I'm trying the "Chocolate Mint" right now. It smells just like chocolate mint ice cream, but i can't taste much of mint flavour. So its not bad at all.

What flavours did you order? I've tried Chocolate, and while it's not bad, I'm curious about the other flavours.

I've heard Strawberry is crap. What about this new Cookies and Cream flavour? Chocolate Mint?

[ud666]

I started taking whey as well. BOught a 1KG tub for $20 at Costco. It's my first one. I feel great after. I workout about 4 times a week.

vanilla flavour. I put a scoop in with half a glass of 1% milk, 2 frozen strawbarries, a small banana a few cubes of ice and i shake it up with a Braun hand mixer for 10 seconds...mmm... delicious just like a milkshake! and don't even need ice cream!

[KennyX]

If you use it for weightlifting, you need to consume it as soon as you can after working out. Your body needs it to help the muscles do their thing.


It's because whey protein is absorbed much faster right after a workout. If you're really serious, mix in a teaspoon of dextrose to help with that insulin spike.

[felix]

I don't eat much protein in my diet. Mostly carbs I think. Should I be taking these protein shakes as a supplement to my diet eventhough I don't work out?

Also, I have a stomach problem so I can't drink cold shakes or anything below 22 degrees. Are there any supplements I can take? Currently I'm taking a bit of vitamin supplements, natural supplements for low serotonin levels, and Zantac for my stomach.

[baz5]

i'm a male!
if i pay with paypal. do u send the order once it's cleared? also what type of shipping do you guys use?
Sorry, I thought I answered this.

We are using a new method now, and products should arrive at the customer in approx 2-3 days.

Felix, protein is important in any diet, whether you work out or not. However, I would suggest real foods, unless you are in a hurry. Powders should be used when you are in a hurry, and/or to get extra daily protein in.
All meats are protein, so if you are eating meat, you are getting protein in.
Milk products have protein as well.

I'm taking about 400grams of protein a day right now. Which is high, but I also weight 235-240, I'm dieting, and trying to lose minimal muscle.

[Powderworker]

I've read many articles in Men's Health and various other health magazine's and have a couple of pointers. If you are using it as a meal replacement, then it's more of a diet. If you use it for weightlifting, you need to consume it as soon as you can after working out. Your body needs it to help the muscles do their thing.

I started working out few months ago, and since I have been consuming protein after workouts, I have noticed a bit of difference.

The things with these shakes are, you get as much protien in a half a Peanut butter sandwich as you do with the shakes. The shakes just give more of other minerals and such.

Also, consuming 1200mu of Vitamin E helps repair your muscles faster. I use Centrum Performance daily and 400mu Vitamin E capsuls and hurt less the next day after workouts.

Are you talking about shakes made specifically with protein powder, or shakes made with Slim Fast? There is a difference.

The stuff I drink gives me 23g per serving (not including the protein from the milk I use) - you'd have to put on A LOT of PB to get that amount of grams (you'd get a hell of a lot of saturated fats as well if using PB - unless you use natural PB).

[baz5]

Are you talking about shakes made specifically with protein powder, or shakes made with Slim Fast? There is a difference.

The stuff I drink gives me 23g per serving (not including the protein from the milk I use) - you'd have to put on A LOT of PB to get that amount of grams (you'd get a hell of a lot of saturated fats as well if using PB - unless you use natural PB).

Exactly, that statement is 100% false unless you are talking about useless women shakes, ie Slim Fast. Peanut butter Sandwich won't get you more than 10 grams of protein, probably less. With too much fat, and bad carbs.

[daisyville]

Exactly, that statement is 100% false unless you are talking about useless women shakes, ie Slim Fast. Peanut butter Sandwich won't get you more than 10 grams of protein, probably less. With too much fat, and bad carbs.

<clears throat> I'm a female, and I take supplementation and I've never seen a woman's shake, nor would I consider Slim Fast a sports/fitness supplementation.

Peanut Butter does have minimal protein in it, but as others have mentioned (including baz5) having an equivilent amount of protein from a PB source would also earn you far too much fat if you're a body builder, or even if you're just an average person trying to increase your lean muscle mass.

When you take protein powder, or a meal replacement powder (which includes both protein and carbohydrate) is totally dependant on your personal goals. So is how much you take.

(I'm only a few weeks away from my nutritional certification!! woo hoo!!)

Tracy

[baz5]

<clears throat> I'm a female, and I take supplementation and I've never seen a woman's shake, nor would I consider Slim Fast a sports/fitness supplementation.

Peanut Butter does have minimal protein in it, but as others have mentioned (including baz5) having an equivilent amount of protein from a PB source would also earn you far too much fat if you're a body builder, or even if you're just an average person trying to increase your lean muscle mass.

When you take protein powder, or a meal replacement powder (which includes both protein and carbohydrate) is totally dependant on your personal goals. So is how much you take.

(I'm only a few weeks away from my nutritional certification!! woo hoo!!)

Tracy

I dont' consider slim fast or anything like that a real protein supplement either, but I didn't know what else he could be talking about, as protein drinks come with atleast double a peanut butter sandwich.

[x21hx]

has any1 tried mixing the protein powder with hot water?

Terrible idea. It turns into pieces of "rubber". And I am a fellow RFDer so I didn't let it go to waste but will never try that again.

I was going for a hot chocolate milk (protein shake)

The box did not state i shouldn't mix it with hot water (boiling water)

[CSR]

you should never mix anything with boiling water.. warm should be sufficient ... plus it takes time to cool if u wanna drink it right away... or mix a bit of hot water with ur shakes (quarter glass) and pour cold chocolate milk in the rest....


hey any one know the pros of having ground FLAX SEED? my mom tells me it's good.. anyone kno if it's good for body building?

[x21hx]

you should never mix anything with boiling water.. warm should be sufficient ...

Why is this? I don't have problems mixing other powered drinks with boiling water such as hot chocolate or neo citron. I like it hot; but now I know not to mix it with protein powder.

[TrevorK]

hey any one know the pros of having ground FLAX SEED? my mom tells me it's good.. anyone kno if it's good for body building?

Flax Seed contains essential fatty acids, just like peanuts, etc...

Personally, the only fatty acid that needs to be consumed is Udo's - it contain's a blend of all the fatty acids you need (As getting too much of one and not enough of another isn't good).

[Powderworker]

has any1 tried mixing the protein powder with hot water?

Terrible idea. It turns into pieces of "rubber". And I am a fellow RFDer so I didn't let it go to waste but will never try that again.

I was going for a hot chocolate milk (protein shake)

The box did not state i shouldn't mix it with hot water (boiling water)

Yup, it turns into crap. I dont know the science behind it, but I've seen it, and it looks so gross.

FYI, I was adding it to oatmeal....lol. I still add it to my pancake batter though. Yum :)

[Powderworker]

Flax Seed contains essential fatty acids, just like peanuts, etc...

Personally, the only fatty acid that needs to be consumed is Udo's - it contain's a blend of all the fatty acids you need (As getting too much of one and not enough of another isn't good).

Flax is really important. Not sure if for body building, but just because you are body building doesn't mean you should neglect other aspects of your health and just focus on muscles. I eat flax bread, and eat Omega 3 eggs to get my essential fatty acids on a regular basis.

[fidoguydo]

Anyone by from supplementscanada.com (http://www.supplementscanada.com/whatis_wheyprotein.htm)?

They have pretty good prices.... $36.99 for 5lb tub of prolab and $42.99 for Optimum Nutrition. But SND has free shipping over $100... so might be a better deal.

[KennyX]

Anyone by from supplementscanada.com (http://www.supplementscanada.com/whatis_wheyprotein.htm)?

They have pretty good prices.... $36.99 for 5lb tub of prolab and $42.99 for Optimum Nutrition. But SND has free shipping over $100... so might be a better deal.

I buy all my stuff from those guys. If you get it shipped they usually throw in a couple of energy bars. If you go to their store and purchase, you get a free bottle of water.

[fidoguydo]

I buy all my stuff from those guys. If you get it shipped they usually throw in a couple of energy bars. If you go to their store and purchase, you get a free bottle of water.

So are the prices in the store the same as their online prices? I notice they have a store close that's about 40 mins away. Wondering if online is cheaper.

[KennyX]

So are the prices in the store the same as their online prices? I notice they have a store close that's about 40 mins away. Wondering if online is cheaper.

Im pretty sure the prices are the same (I just recently bought a 5lb tub of Optimum Nutrition last week for around $50 w/tax... I think it ends up to be the same when it's shipped).

Personally I'd prefer to buy in mass quantities (>$100 for free shipping) so that you get the free energy bars (alot better than the bottled water I get at the store), but I hate Canada Post, -regardless of whether Im home or not they always just leave a sticker on the front door w/o even ringing the doorbell or giving it a knock (it's a pain in the ass to always have to drive down to the post office to pick up packages).

[fidoguydo]

I was buying 910g for $25..... I go through a tub of those a month. So I gotta start finding cheaper alternatives. You sure it's free shipping over $100? On supplementcanada.com it says "Free Shipping over $200"

Im pretty sure the prices are the same (I just recently bought a 5lb tub of Optimum Nutrition last week for around $50 w/tax... I think it ends up to be the same when it's shipped).

Personally I'd prefer to buy in mass quantities (>$100 for free shipping) so that you get the free energy bars (alot better than the bottled water I get at the store), but I hate Canada Post, -regardless of whether Im home or not they always just leave a sticker on the front door w/o even ringing the doorbell or giving it a knock (it's a pain in the ass to always have to drive down to the post office to pick up packages).

[KennyX]

I was buying 910g for $25..... I go through a tub of those a month. So I gotta start finding cheaper alternatives. You sure it's free shipping over $100? On supplementcanada.com it says "Free Shipping over $200"

My mistake, I should of read the post more carefully.
I was actually referring to SNDCanada http://www.sndcanada.com

[TrevorK]

Flax is really important. Not sure if for body building, but just because you are body building doesn't mean you should neglect other aspects of your health and just focus on muscles. I eat flax bread, and eat Omega 3 eggs to get my essential fatty acids on a regular basis.

Flax seed contains EFA's.

When you purchase Udo's, you get all three (Omega 3, 6, 9) in the proper mixture, which you CANNOT get from eating only a single source such as Flax. Without the EFA's in the right proportion they are not NEARLY as effective.

[baz5]

I use SND for everything but protein. They are good. Supplements canada has competitive prices, but I've heard on a few occasions the customers service and delivery time is slow.

[litebrite]

I just bought a product called "my-xcel xf' from my local supplements store. Anyone have experiences with it? Supposedly it works as a meal replacement as well. My main goals are to gain lean muscle. I work out 3x/week currently... and have been working out for the past yr or so.. but i think i've plateaued. :( this is the first time i'm taking a protein shake...

[TrevorK]

I just bought a product called "my-xcel xf' from my local supplements store. Anyone have experiences with it? Supposedly it works as a meal replacement as well. My main goals are to gain lean muscle. I work out 3x/week currently... and have been working out for the past yr or so.. but i think i've plateaued. :( this is the first time i'm taking a protein shake...

If you think you've plateaued you can always try changing up your workout too - that's usually the first thing to try.

[Dash]

I went into the store today to get some ON whey, and apparently you get an additional 5% off on all products if you show them a gym membership. that works out pretty well in the end.

[vancityroots]

i would rather have a steak than a protein shake any day, but i understand that some people are in a rush and want a quick dose of protein. All the nutrients u can get in protein powder u can get in at the local grocery store.

[baz5]

i would rather have a steak than a protein shake any day, but i understand that some people are in a rush and want a quick dose of protein. All the nutrients u can get in protein powder u can get in at the local grocery store.

The cost of 6 steaks a day adds up quickly. And steak has a lot of fat, while many proteins have no fat.

[vancityroots]

well u are not gonna just eat steak, u can get your protein from many different sources not just steak.

[TrevorK]

well u are not gonna just eat steak, u can get your protein from many different sources not just steak.


If it's not a lean cut you'll get a lot of fat.

Chicken/turkey are low fat, but most cuts of meat are fairly high in fat....Which is why protein shakes are a much better choice for most people.

As well, I'm not quite sure that the steak will have the same Amino Acid (BCAA) profile that a protein shake would....

[baz5]

well u are not gonna just eat steak, u can get your protein from many different sources not just steak.

When you are eating 6-7 meals a day, 30-60grams of protein per meal, it gets quite expensive, no matter what source of protein you are eating, except maybe tuna. Shakes are the cheapest, and easiest.

[vancityroots]

i try and supplement my meals with a protein shake, two out of 6 meals i eat are protein shakes. i mix mine with bananas. I get my protein from different sources, tofu, chicken, soya, nuts, fish etc.

[TrevorK]

i try and supplement my meals with a protein shake, two out of 6 meals i eat are protein shakes. i mix mine with bananas. I get my protein from different sources, tofu, chicken, soya, nuts, fish etc.

Sources such as nuts are incomplete proteins, so you do not get the full value that you are assuming you get.

[vancityroots]

im thinkin that if I eat different sources of protein that ive stated including nuts together with my protein shakes ill get a good value of protein. im not just eating nuts ehhh

[vancityroots]

throw in milk and eggs and other dairy products, i think the point is too eat a variety of foods to get your protein.

[felix]

What about protein with calcium supplements like these? Are they any good? They seem to be perfect for me since my sensitive stomach can't take cold drinks anymore.

http://www.greenspluscanada.com/en/img/bottleshots/straight/proteinscalcium.jpg

http://www.greenspluscanada.com/en/products/proteins.html

[TrevorK]

What about protein with calcium supplements like these? Are they any good? They seem to be perfect for me since my sensitive stomach can't take cold drinks anymore.

http://www.greenspluscanada.com/en/products/proteins.html

Nothing wrong with that at all (Assuming that the protein that they claim is in there actually is - just like any other food, you have to trust they are being honest).

Sounds expensive, but appears to be just as effective as any other (If not more so)

[daisyville]

Guys,
There's no sense debating which foods are quality sources of protein. The bottom line is that a diet that has variety, that is rich in nutrients, that is generally low in fat overall will serve you well.

Supplementing with a Protein Powder or a Meal Replacement Powder should be used as a supplement only - and not a staple to every meal in your day.

For those of us who eat 5-6 meals daily, if you select one or two primary sources of protein, you're bound to get real bored real fast. Not to mention denying your body all the essential and non-essential amino acids which come from a variety of proteins.

Some body builders take in far too much protein. There is a limit to the amount we should all eat. Our bodies can only process and use so much.

There is entirely nothing wrong with the odd steak, and yes chicken breasts, tuna, turkey breast, tofu, egg whites, whey protein, cottage cheese, nuts (in small doses), lean cuts of pork, fish are all good sources of protein. There's also many legumes, lentils, chick peas and beans which also have a portion of protein per serving.

Some people don't realize they're either adding fat to their meals or they're not doing simple things like trimming fat. This is BBQ season, and a great way to prepare meats with fat trimmed where possible. Some still cook things in butter or oil which simply adds fat. Still others may soak certain meats in marinades or other sauces which may have a high fat content.

Too often I hear people say things like "I heard tuna was a good protein, I'm going to eat that 3 times daily". This is really not the solution, nor is it healthy.

Often a person has hit a plateau because their nutritional intake is predictable day after day after day. A good solid change-up keeps your metabolism guessing, and revved up. I find too that often people will say they've plateaued, but may not have really.

Just food for thought ;)

Tracy

[fidoguydo]

For our 10lb pail, each serving comes out to about 34 cents. Almost half of that. We cut out the middleman, and plan on making our money through large volumes. That is why our prices are so low.

Where cand I find the 10lb pail on sndcanada.com? Only has the 5lb bottles. Thanks

[TrevorK]

Where cand I find the 10lb pail on sndcanada.com? Only has the 5lb bottles. Thanks

SND doesn't sell 10lbs buckets of protein, at least online.

[bigredlemon]

Guys,
There's no sense debating which foods are quality sources of protein. The bottom line is that a diet that has variety, that is rich in nutrients, that is generally low in fat overall will serve you well.
But the question is--what's a good souce of protein?

Some amino acids has special functions, and can either help and hinder your performance. It's not "just" protein/amino acid. Also keep in mind that different parts of your body need different ratios of specific amino acids. How do we even define an optimal amino acid profile without looking at the specifics of each protein source?

And if you just consider bioavailability, you are missing out another, much more important factor: speed of digestion. Whey is digested very quickly, which while beneficial SOMETIMES, is bad at other times. You have to know when to eat what kind of proteins. You'd be wasting your money and hurting your progress eating whey before bed and caesin after a workout.

And then you have to consider what you are eating the protein with. How anabolic/catabolic are you at that time? If you're catabolic, then eating only whey is just throwing money out the window, and needlessly stressing your kidney. So even eating the ideal protein type with the ideal ratio and the right time is still no better than drinking some soda if you don't complement it with the right foods.


Supplementing with a Protein Powder or a Meal Replacement Powder should be used as a supplement only - and not a staple to every meal in your day.

And yet so many people often fail to realize just that--they're supplements. They are still missing a lot of things your body needs to build muscle (i.e. iron.) And you'll need to eat a lot of other things to keep your body in good health.

For those of us who eat 5-6 meals daily, if you select one or two primary sources of protein, you're bound to get real bored real fast. Not to mention denying your body all the essential and non-essential amino acids which come from a variety of proteins.
well... animal meat do contain all the amino acids...

Some body builders take in far too much protein. There is a limit to the amount we should all eat. Our bodies can only process and use so much.

define should...

there has been significant anecdotal evidence that there is some performance benefit from eating as much as 500 grams of protein a day. There's science support these anecdotal evidence.

Our bodies can absorb a lot more protein than you give it credit for. I recall a few studies in which people consumed 100 grams of protein in one sitting and absorbed over 95% of it. The efficiency rate is closer to 97% if you eat a normal sized meal, say an 8 oz steak, but our bodies are very capable of digesting protein.

And as for use... even presuming all of the protein were not used, and converted into sugar or fat, it would still create a positive nitrogen balance that would prevent the break down of existing muscle. Since the body is always in an equillibrium process of simultaneously breaking down and rebuilding muscle, this would create the net effect of increasing muscle growth.


There is entirely nothing wrong with the odd steak, and yes chicken breasts, tuna, turkey breast, tofu, egg whites, whey protein, cottage cheese, nuts (in small doses), lean cuts of pork, fish are all good sources of protein. There's also many legumes, lentils, chick peas and beans which also have a portion of protein per serving.

soy is controversial because it activates 4 or 5 pathways of beaking down muscle, while activating 3 or 4 pathways of building muscle. When you add in the estrogenic effects, it makes soy a questionable source of protein for people wanting to bulk up in amounts greater than 7 grams of isolate soy protein. For cardio bunnies that don't want to get too large... i guess it's ok?

Too often I hear people say things like "I heard tuna was a good protein, I'm going to eat that 3 times daily". This is really not the solution, nor is it healthy.
Yup... you have to know what to eat and when to eat it. It's not just a matter of ranking protein sources and eating just the #1 and #2s

Often a person has hit a plateau because their nutritional intake is predictable day after day after day. A good solid change-up keeps your metabolism guessing, and revved up. I find too that often people will say they've plateaued, but may not have really.

plateau in size or strength? In any case, shaking up the intake too much could shock the body into remove-muscle-add-fat mode. Eating a similar propotion of foods, but eating more of it, is most likely the best choice.

And as for overcominig the plateau, mixing up the workout will probably have a greater effect, athough there's no reason not to revise both.

Just food for thought ;)

Tracy

And for people looking to buy a LOT of wheym black star labs has very good quality protein (slightly better than optimum nutrition) for $150USD per 50lb of whey concentrate protein that is 80% pure.

[bigredlemon]

It's because whey protein is absorbed much faster right after a workout. If you're really serious, mix in a teaspoon of dextrose to help with that insulin spike.
Mostly marketing hype. Ideally, dextrose would be useful before a workout to ensure your muscle glycogen reserves are topped up. After a workout, just about any type of carb will do fine. Even powdered oatmeal. I personally use honey-water drink 5 minutes before the end of the workout. It's probably not the MOST ideal choice but I really like it. :cheesygri

[TrevorK]

And for people looking to buy a LOT of wheym black star labs has very good quality protein (slightly better than optimum nutrition) for $150USD per 50lb of whey concentrate protein that is 80% pure.

AllTheWhey.com sells 50lbs of unflavoured protein for 129.99 on Ebay.....Their website posts their protein breakdown as done by a lab...

[TrevorK]

Mostly marketing hype. Ideally, dextrose would be useful before a workout to ensure your muscle glycogen reserves are topped up. After a workout, just about any type of carb will do fine. Even powdered oatmeal. I personally use honey-water drink 5 minutes before the end of the workout. It's probably not the MOST ideal choice but I really like it. :cheesygri

No, whey does get absorbed faster than other protein sources, such as Casein.

Why do you think people eat cottage cheese before sleeping?

[Dash]

SND doesn't sell 10lbs buckets of protein, at least online.

If you go to the store, they sell 10 lb bags on ON whey

[ill_skillz_will]

If you go to the store, they sell 10 lb bags on ON whey

which store and how much? Also can someone explain to me the cottage cheese thing

my protein shake mix:
1 cup milk
1 banana
handful of blue berries
vanilla protein powder
a tiny bit of instant quaker oatmeal
crushed ice

yum :)

[TrevorK]

which store and how much? Also can someone explain to me the cottage cheese thing


Are you referring to people eating cottage cheese before bed?

The reason is because different types of proteins have different rates of absorbtion (Yes, that may not be the technical term, but in laymans terms it works fine). Whey protein for instance (Which is typically what you are getting when you get the protein powder from the store) absorbs very fast, which makes it ideal for a post-workout snack.

However, when you are going to sleep you need your protein to last longer, so in comes Casein. It's typically found in dairy products, and if you eat it before bed it will take longer to be "absorbed", which means that your body will go less time without protein than if you used Whey.

Would it make the difference for the average person? Probably not.
Would it make a difference to someone trying to cut/bulk/be serious about lifting? Yes.

[baz5]

Eating good fats with your protein at night will also slow down the absorbtion (sp?) rate.... as I sit here eating almonds and a protein shake ;)

[Decile]

Does anyone have an opinion on Next Protein's Designer Whey Powder? I've heard good things about it and was wondering if you had an opinion ;)

[Dash]

which store and how much? Also can someone explain to me the cottage cheese thing

my protein shake mix:
1 cup milk
1 banana
handful of blue berries
vanilla protein powder
a tiny bit of instant quaker oatmeal
crushed ice

yum :)

SND...I forgot how much. I'm going to the plaza now. I'll check it for you

[Dash]

a 10lb bag of ON Whey is $87.99 at SND.

[bdckr]

define should...

there has been significant anecdotal evidence that there is some performance benefit from eating as much as 500 grams of protein a day. There's science support these anecdotal evidence.

Our bodies can absorb a lot more protein than you give it credit for. I recall a few studies in which people consumed 100 grams of protein in one sitting and absorbed over 95% of it. The efficiency rate is closer to 97% if you eat a normal sized meal, say an 8 oz steak, but our bodies are very capable of digesting protein.

And as for use... even presuming all of the protein were not used, and converted into sugar or fat, it would still create a positive nitrogen balance that would prevent the break down of existing muscle. Since the body is always in an equillibrium process of simultaneously breaking down and rebuilding muscle, this would create the net effect of increasing muscle growth.



There's a potential danger in overworking your kidneys with that amount of protein, although no evidence of damage has been shown (http://www.vanderbilt.edu/AnS/psychology/health_psychology/Protein.htm#CONSEQUENCES OF EXCESS PROTEIN INTAKE). Other potential health problems, though, including dehydration.

The recommended (http://www.ext.colostate.edu/pubs/foodnut/09362.html) amount of protein for most athletes (http://www.betterhealth.vic.gov.au/bhcv2/bhcarticles.nsf/pages/Sporting_performance_and_food?open) is somewhere between 1-2 g protein/kg body weight/day (http://ianrpubs.unl.edu/foods/nf74.htm), with strength training/bodybuilding at the top end.

The benefits of excess protein intake (http://www.vanderbilt.edu/AnS/psychology/health_psychology/Protein.htm#PROTEIN AND ATHLETES) aren't substantiated.

EDIT: forgot to point out that means 70 to 140g protein per day for the 70 kg (154 lb) person, a far cry from 500 g/day, and no real need to try and cram 100g in one sitting (Remember, it's 140g at the top end for strength athletes/bodybuilders).

[CSR]

Good post... lots of info

There's a potential danger in overworking your kidneys with that amount of protein, although no evidence of damage has been shown (http://www.vanderbilt.edu/AnS/psychology/health_psychology/Protein.htm#CONSEQUENCES OF EXCESS PROTEIN INTAKE). Other potential health problems, though, including dehydration.

The recommended (http://www.ext.colostate.edu/pubs/foodnut/09362.html) amount of protein for most athletes (http://www.betterhealth.vic.gov.au/bhcv2/bhcarticles.nsf/pages/Sporting_performance_and_food?open) is somewhere between 1-2 g protein/kg body weight/day (http://ianrpubs.unl.edu/foods/nf74.htm), with strength training/bodybuilding at the top end.

The benefits of excess protein intake (http://www.vanderbilt.edu/AnS/psychology/health_psychology/Protein.htm#PROTEIN AND ATHLETES) aren't substantiated.

[ill_skillz_will]

a 10lb bag of ON Whey is $87.99 at SND.

Thanks Dash. This is a great deal! What flavours do u guys recommend? Vanilla is good, but its getting old...

[TrevorK]

Thanks Dash. This is a great deal! What flavours do u guys recommend? Vanilla is good, but its getting old...

2 5lbs tubs of Prolab are 80 at SND's online store....

[cOmAtOaSt]

Thanks Dash. This is a great deal! What flavours do u guys recommend? Vanilla is good, but its getting old...

I'm glad I found this thread. I'm also getting tired of vanilla + chocolate whey, so I ordered some unflavoured whey from Baz. He's right, you can drink it with nothing else if you want, it has a slight flavour but nothing too bad. I also like how you can mix it with anything - for my post-workout drink, I mix it with Nestea powder, than right after my workout I put water in the bottle right at the gym and drink it. Tastes great, and your post-workout drink should have some sugar anyway. I'm going to buy some Crystal Light and give that a try for my other drinks throughout the day. I think I'm sticking with unflavoured whey from now on, just for the fact that you can mix it with whatever you want. If you get tired of one mix, just move onto the next. I've purchased some bottles of whey in the past that were just nasty flavoured and they end up sitting on the shelf.

[dgmorr]

The way I see it is; Hair and nails are wasted protein. When I see the 4:00 shadow on my face at 2:00 I am taking too much protein, so I cut back a few grams.

Best shake and best size increase I've seen is from Iso XP. Not sure who the makers are. But it's called ISO XP. Only tried strawberry. I HATE all other protein shakes, they all taste like crap, so when I say this is good, IT IS GOOD! Tastes like a McDonald's Strawberry shake, no lie. I pick it up at GNC.

I think I might give Canadianwhey a try.

[felix]

Can you explain the 4:00 shadow thing? Is that the only way to tell you're taking too much protein?

[dgmorr]

Well, if I have a nice clean shave it usually lasts the whole day and stays smooth. When I'm loading up on protein, it tends to grow back pretty quick, depending on how much I'm taking.

[baz5]

I'm glad I found this thread. I'm also getting tired of vanilla + chocolate whey, so I ordered some unflavoured whey from Baz. He's right, you can drink it with nothing else if you want, it has a slight flavour but nothing too bad. I also like how you can mix it with anything - for my post-workout drink, I mix it with Nestea powder, than right after my workout I put water in the bottle right at the gym and drink it. Tastes great, and your post-workout drink should have some sugar anyway. I'm going to buy some Crystal Light and give that a try for my other drinks throughout the day. I think I'm sticking with unflavoured whey from now on, just for the fact that you can mix it with whatever you want. If you get tired of one mix, just move onto the next. I've purchased some bottles of whey in the past that were just nasty flavoured and they end up sitting on the shelf.

Glad you like it. We are working on a chocolate flavour right now. Very difficult to procedure finding the right one.

[felix]

oh, so how about women? It would make our hair and nails grow faster? Any other way to tell?

[dgmorr]

Yeah, women would most likely react in the same way, hair, nails growing quicker. Give it a try. Overload on protein for a couple days, see how fast your nails grow....or maybe you might develop some facial hair? :confused:

[TrevorK]

Glad you like it. We are working on a chocolate flavour right now. Very difficult to procedure finding the right one.

I'm waiting for this - make sure to make a post here to let us all know when you get it.

How much is the price going to rise?

[Xavier]

so i'm finally getting serious about my health....and my body performance...haha

i bought a soy derivative because teh other brands have a lotta milk products in them..but thats beside the point

the specs claim it has more protein per serving...and I take it like 2 tims a day...
and my work out schedule is like 3-4 days a week now...

but i doubt ther are ne disadvantages to this one.

[TrevorK]

so i'm finally getting serious about my health....and my body performance...haha

i bought a soy derivative because teh other brands have a lotta milk products in them..but thats beside the point

the specs claim it has more protein per serving...and I take it like 2 tims a day...
and my work out schedule is like 3-4 days a week now...

but i doubt ther are ne disadvantages to this one.

Soy promotes estrogen growth when taken in typical amounts.

So if you're a girl it's not bad. If you're a guy (And don't want to promote estrogen growth) then it's bad.

[cOmAtOaSt]

Soy promotes estrogen growth when taken in typical amounts.

So if you're a girl it's not bad. If you're a guy (And don't want to promote estrogen growth) then it's bad.

I haven't heard of the estrogen thing, but I agree if you're a guy you probably want to stick with whey or a good egg protein powder. I haven't read of too many bodybuilders or other athletes taking soy powder, but if you have a problem digesting whey or egg powder than soy is a good alternative.

Also, yesterday in the store I found out they make Gatorade powder. I didn't know that! Great stuff to mix with my whey.

[Fightguard]

Soy promotes estrogen growth when taken in typical amounts.

So if you're a girl it's not bad. If you're a guy (And don't want to promote estrogen growth) then it's bad.bad because you might grow man boobs??

[ragin_pyro]

Hmm, maybe I shoulda get some protein powder, know any cheap kind? I dont need super expensive, but wouldnt want some that does nuthin or really crappy an can cause problems, never tried it, my bro threatened me that each scoop is a dollar, worth more then me an hed kill me if I had some :rolleyes: Sometimes hes so cheap. Hmm, or any shakes that u can drink durni day? I know in ARnolds book, he had somethin with eggs etc, any1 gimmie some shake ideas? 1's that seemed to work well? Least I'll have a startin point.

Edit: Heheh, I just noticed this thread was started by cummer, an minh is in it, any remember, some1 posted parts of his blog, an he was like Man, minh is a monster! He can bench 100 pounds! I jus thought that was hilarious, I was jus expecting an exagerated amount like, 3-400 lbs.

[dgmorr]

He must be 10. I guess 100lbs is a lot for 10yr olds.

[dgmorr]

Oh, and another thing. When you're taking a lot of protein, your farts REALLY smell! :o

[crazyboie]

I just recently bought 3 x 5lbs tubs (choco, vanilla & strawberry) of Optimum Nutrition Whey at Popeyes (http://www.popeyessupplements.com/) @ Yonge & Bloor. It was $44.99 each in store but if you buy online @ www.supplementscanada.com, it's only $42.99.

Very good service as I received free shaker cups, free creatine samples, free water on the way out and $6 in coupons for my next purchase ..

[TrevorK]

I just recently bought 3 x 5lbs tubs (choco, vanilla & strawberry) of Optimum Nutrition Whey at Popeyes (http://www.popeyessupplements.com/) @ Yonge & Bloor. It was $44.99 each in store but if you buy online @ www.supplementscanada.com, it's only $42.99.

Very good service as I received free shaker cups, free creatine samples, free water on the way out and $6 in coupons for my next purchase ..

I'm tempted to try out their Instore - maybe I will if they give out all that stuff....

[Fightguard]

My local Health store (Health Service Centre, 5 locations in Toronto) gave me some samples of ISOWhey Breezers (Interactive Nutrition),
http://www.interactivenutrition.com/products/isowheybreezer.php
I tried the Mango-Peach and Citrus Burst...DELICIOUS!! Definitely lighter in texture and more 'thirst-quenching' than your typical 'creamy' mixes. I just might pick up a tub so I can alternate with my other whey powder (Nature's Best ISO-Pro) since chocolate everyday is getting boring. To bad it's priced a bit on the high side, $44 for 2 lbs., http://www.sndcanada.com/gc/gc_item.exe?F=D&K=IN-022&R=H%2FCatalog%3AInteractive&ID=1019114451209188643996&FF=H&FK=Catalog:Interactive&Z9=0
Maybe an unflavoured powder with Crystal Light would be just as good...?

[Dash]

My local Health store (Health Service Centre, 5 locations in Toronto) gave me some samples of ISOWhey Breezers (Interactive Nutrition),
http://www.interactivenutrition.com/products/isowheybreezer.php
I tried the Mango-Peach and Citrus Burst...DELICIOUS!! Definitely lighter in texture and more 'thirst-quenching' than your typical 'creamy' mixes. I just might pick up a tub so I can alternate with my other whey powder (Nature's Best ISO-Pro) since chocolate everyday is getting boring. To bad it's priced a bit on the high side, $44 for 2 lbs., http://www.sndcanada.com/gc/gc_item.exe?F=D&K=IN-022&R=H%2FCatalog%3AInteractive&ID=1019114451209188643996&FF=H&FK=Catalog:Interactive&Z9=0
Maybe an unflavoured powder with Crystal Light would be just as good...?

I'm also getting a little bored with chocolate. Mango-peach?!?! That's awesome! Too bad it's so expensive.

[TrevorK]

My local Health store (Health Service Centre, 5 locations in Toronto) gave me some samples of ISOWhey Breezers (Interactive Nutrition),
http://www.interactivenutrition.com/products/isowheybreezer.php
I tried the Mango-Peach and Citrus Burst...DELICIOUS!! Definitely lighter in texture and more 'thirst-quenching' than your typical 'creamy' mixes. I just might pick up a tub so I can alternate with my other whey powder (Nature's Best ISO-Pro) since chocolate everyday is getting boring. To bad it's priced a bit on the high side, $44 for 2 lbs., http://www.sndcanada.com/gc/gc_item.exe?F=D&K=IN-022&R=H%2FCatalog%3AInteractive&ID=1019114451209188643996&FF=H&FK=Catalog:Interactive&Z9=0
Maybe an unflavoured powder with Crystal Light would be just as good...?


Syntrax Nectar is the same sort of thing - you could eat the powder without water it tastes so good.

[H2O Boy]

Syntrax Nectar is the same sort of thing - you could eat the powder without water it tastes so good.
I'm taking the Fuzzy Navel (peach) Nectar juice right now and it's yummy - i'll comment on results at a later time (just started with this).
Low carb/calories too, which is a bonus.

[Fightguard]

I ended up buying 2 lbs. of the Citrus Breezer. I figured, I can easily spend $50+ in a few hours over dinner and drinks...so $44 for something that would last me at least a few weeks isn't so bad :)