Vegetarian's who eat Fish, are they still considered Vegetarian?

[phomp]

Not trying to stir up any trouble, hopefully this can stay peaceful and some good discussion can come about. A food topic, so I guess it belongs in the food & drink but if not, then the off topic?:confused:

If one calls themself a Vegetarian, but claims they eat fish... how can they still be a Vegetarian? I know the common response is that Fish is not a meat, and therefore fish does not count. By food group, Fish is not in the "meat" category so I will grant this point. But...

Almost every definition of the word 'vegetarian' that I found said 1 of 2 things:
eater of fruits and grains and nuts; someone who eats no meat or fish or (often) any animal products

A person who eats no meat, fish, or poultry.

From Encyclopedia Britannica:
The theory or practice of living solely upon vegetables, fruits, grains, and nuts—with or without the addition of milk products and eggs—generally for ethical, ascetic, environmental, or nutritional reasons. All forms of flesh (meat, fowl, and seafood) are excluded from all vegetarian diets, but many vegetarians use milk and milk products; those in the West usually eat eggs also, but most vegetarians in India exclude them, as did those in the Mediterranean lands in Classical times. Vegetarians who exclude animal products altogether (and likewise avoid animal-derived products such as leather, silk, and wool) are known as vegans. Those who use milk products are sometimes called lacto-vegetarians, and those who use eggs as well are called lacto-ovo vegetarians. Among some agricultural peoples, flesh eating has been infrequent except among the privileged classes; such people have rather misleadingly been called vegetarians.

Now, as I understand it.. a vegetarian is not someone who does not just abstain from just eating meat but someone who abstains from any animal or mammal. The term I found for someone who eats fish is:
Semi-vegetarianism is a term used to describe the practice of excluding some meat (particularly red meat) from the diet while still consuming limited amounts of poultry, fish, and/or seafood . In many references, a semi-vegetarian is also a flexitarian or "almost vegetarian". ...


Also, I do not understand how one who claims they are taking the moral high-ground by not eating "meat" but eating fish believes they are not being hypocritical. The 2 claims that I have come across (usually the second follows the first after you respond to the first).
1) Fish do not feel the pain, therefore it is different and then
2) They are not farmed for slaughter

1) Fish do feel pain, and respond to it.
Sneddon of Liverpool University concluded:
'Administration of noxious substances to the lips of the trout affected both the physiology and the behaviour of the animal and resulted in a significant increase in opercular beat rate and the time taken to resume feeding, as well as anomalous behaviours. The results of the present study demonstrate nociception and suggest that noxious stimulation in the rainbow trout has adverse behavioural and physiological effects. This fulfils the criteria for animal pain.'
In short, the fish feels the pain and responds to it. There are more studies that have been published and can be posted but no sense in proglonging this point.

2) They are not farmed for slaughter... there are certain fish that are farmed for slaughter and Lobster is a great example (though I believe most "Vegetarians" even who eat fish would not eat Lobster). There are others. Though, if the reason they will eat fish is because they are not farmed for slaughter, than they should eat other animals that are not farmed for slaughter with no moral objection..... Prehaps they just do not want to eat meat (for other reasons that are not moral) and that is fine... This type of person would be against eating animals/mammals that are killed unethically in their eyes, not against eating animals/mammals.

Even if the fish is not farmed for slaughter, why is that ok anyway? The fish still feels pain before the death even if it is brief. It was caught with the exact purpose of being killed for food.

Of course there are those Vegetarians who just decide they do not like meat, nor want to eat it, and of course there is nothing to say to that. I am only speaking to those who do it for the moral reasons & still eat fish. And still do not understand how one can claim to be Vegetarian and still eat fish.

[thelefteyeguy]

simple answer no...but you already know that ;)

[phomp]

simple answer no...but you already know that ;)

lol, well that is what I believe but I have been told I am wrong by quite a few people IRL. :lol:

[gilboman]

Not trying to stir up any trouble, hopefully this can stay peaceful and some good discussion can come about. A food topic, so I guess it belongs in the food & drink but if not, then the off topic?:confused:

If one calls themself a Vegetarian, but claims they eat fish... how can they still be a Vegetarian? I know the common response is that Fish is not a meat, and therefore fish does not count. By food group, Fish is not in the "meat" category so I will grant this point. But...

Almost every definition of the word 'vegetarian' that I found said 1 of 2 things:




From Encyclopedia Britannica:


Now, as I understand it.. a vegetarian is not someone who does not just abstain from just eating meat but someone who abstains from any animal or mammal. The term I found for someone who eats fish is:


Also, I do not understand how one who claims they are taking the moral high-ground by not eating "meat" but eating fish believes they are not being hypocritical. The 2 claims that I have come across (usually the second follows the first after you respond to the first).
1) Fish do not feel the pain, therefore it is different and then
2) They are not farmed for slaughter

1) Fish do feel pain, and respond to it.
Sneddon of Liverpool University concluded:
In short, the fish feels the pain and responds to it. There are more studies that have been published and can be posted but no sense in proglonging this point.

2) They are not farmed for slaughter... there are certain fish that are farmed for slaughter and Lobster is a great example (though I believe most "Vegetarians" even who eat fish would not eat Lobster). There are others. Though, if the reason they will eat fish is because they are not farmed for slaughter, than they should eat other animals that are not farmed for slaughter with no moral objection..... Prehaps they just do not want to eat meat (for other reasons that are not moral) and that is fine... This type of person would be against eating animals/mammals that are killed unethically in their eyes, not against eating animals/mammals.

Even if the fish is not farmed for slaughter, why is that ok anyway? The fish still feels pain before the death even if it is brief. It was caught with the exact purpose of being killed for food.

Of course there are those Vegetarians who just decide they do not like meat, nor want to eat it, and of course there is nothing to say to that. I am only speaking to those who do it for the moral reasons & still eat fish. And still do not understand how one can claim to be Vegetarian and still eat fish.

Moral Highground is it takes a lot fewer resources to produce seafood in terms of carbon emissions/resources than livestock. Moreso for non farmed seafood.

as for fish feeling pain or not, again, the studies are not conlusive at all and rather than being the generally accepted assertion by the scientific community/society as a whole, the hypothesis that fish feel pain is at most a debate if not a fringe theory. Furthermore, shellfish i dont think anybody claims those feel pain.

I'm no vegetarian (not even close), but i dont see why you are trying so hard and biased to equate seafood with farmed animal slaughter. There's a huge difference with catching seafood with purpose of eating it then systematically raising chicken/cow/pigs in awful conditions and pumping them full of hormones/chemicals so they grow faster so we can eat them sooner. Whereas seafood (non-farmed) , you could say they had a "normal" life before they were caught and end up on my table:lol:

But I will agree with you that i dont see how someone who eats seafood can call themselves a full on vegetarian, but at sametime you can't deny there is no difference in terms of "moral" values or impact on enviornment between seafood and livestock

[stevelam]

you're probably looking for the term pesco-vegetarianism. aka veggies + fish diet.

are you actually referring to a real person when you're saying theres a pesco-veggie out there who made that choice morally?

any pesco-veggie i know generallly only does it for health reasons only.

[danman227460]

I always thought there were different levels of vegetarianism. A vegan is someone who does not eat ANY animals and only fruits, vegetables and grain. While a vegetarian eats fish along with the other stuff.

So depending on the level or stage of vegetarianism you chose to observe, it effects what you can eat and cannot eat.

From wiki:

A vegan diet is a form of vegetarian diet which excludes all animal products, including dairy products, eggs, and honey. A lacto-vegetarian diet includes dairy products but excludes eggs, an ovo-vegetarian diet includes eggs but not dairy, and a lacto-ovo vegetarian diet includes both eggs and dairy products.

A semi-vegetarian diet consists largely of vegetarian foods, but may include fish and sometimes poultry, as well as dairy products and eggs. A pescetarian diet, for example, includes fish but no meat.[4] The association of semi-vegetarianism with vegetarianism in common use[5] has led vegetarian groups such as the Vegetarian Society to note these diets are not vegetarian.[6]

[thelefteyeguy]

lol, well that is what I believe but I have been told I am wrong by quite a few people IRL. :lol:

...well they can continue to lie to themselves if it makes them happy. If you don't want to eat farmed animals...then go hunt them.

and if you are worried about pain, then drug the animal before you kill it.

but it still doesnt make you a vegetarian.

[phomp]

you're probably looking for the term pesco-vegetarianism. aka veggies + fish diet.

are you actually referring to a real person when you're saying theres a pesco-veggie out there who made that choice morally?

any pesco-veggie i know generallly only does it for health reasons only.
That is fair enough, and no problems with that.

There are those that will incist they are a vegetarian (and nothing else) but just eat fish and the most common response is that fish are not meat and therefore are still vegetarians. This is the response I get IRL anyway.

[thelefteyeguy]

I always thought there were different levels of vegetarianism. A vegan is someone who does not eat ANY animals and only fruits, vegetables and grain. While a vegetarian eats fish along with the other stuff.

So depending on the level or stage of vegetarianism you chose to observe, it effects what you can eat and cannot eat.

...i must be on the highest level of carnivores :o

I choose not to hang out with hypercrites and therefore don't have this problem.

Perhaps these veggie people that you hang out with should take a look at the whole farming industry for fish....it's not as pretty as they think it is.

[phomp]

...well they can continue to lie to themselves if it makes them happy. If you don't want to eat farmed animals...then go hunt them.

and if you are worried about pain, then drug the animal before you kill it.

but it still doesnt make you a vegetarian.
+1, now I am getting hungry!

[thelefteyeguy]

+1, now I am getting hungry!

i would love to see some bloke on top chef on the vegetarian challenge to serve fish...lets see if Natalie Portman eats :lol: (note...she's a vegan...so im pretty sure she's the real thing and not a hypercrite...good for her)

[phomp]

I always thought there were different levels of vegetarianism. A vegan is someone who does not eat ANY animals and only fruits, vegetables and grain. While a vegetarian eats fish along with the other stuff.

So depending on the level or stage of vegetarianism you chose to observe, it effects what you can eat and cannot eat.



From Wiki:
Vegetarianism is the practice of following a diet based on plant-based foods including fruits, vegetables, cereal grains, nuts, and seeds, with or without dairy products and eggs.[1] Vegetarians do not eat meat, game, poultry, fish, crustacea, shellfish, or products of animal slaughter such as animal-derived gelatin and rennet.

From the same website, vegetarians do not eat fish. You posted Vegan, and Semi-Vegetarian but not Vegetarian.

I also do not get how a vegetarian who does it for moral reasons can not just go Vegan. (IE- how can one still wear a leather coat, or eat an egg from an egg farm, some do eat those free-range eggs only).

[thelefteyeguy]

From Wiki:


From the same website, vegetarians do not eat fish. You posted Vegan, and Semi-Vegetarian but not Vegetarian.

I also do not get how a vegetarian who does it for moral reasons can not just go Vegan. (IE- how can one still wear a leather coat, or eat an egg from an egg farm, some do eat those free-range eggs only).

im a self proclaimed semi-vegetarian...99% carnivore...1% herbivores. :idea:

[phomp]

im a self proclaimed semi-vegetarian...99% carnivore...1% herbivores. :idea:

:lol:

My personal definition of a Vegetarian is one who consumes fish, poultry, beef, pork, vegetables, nuts, fruits, but does not consume dogs & cats. Wow I am a vegetarian :cheesygri

[dighn]

lol, well that is what I believe but I have been told I am wrong by quite a few people IRL. :lol:

They are idiots and you should stay away from them.

[porphyra]

To the OP, simple answer. NO. If they eat fish they are not a vegetarian no matter how you define it.

Moral Highground is it takes a lot fewer resources to produce seafood in terms of carbon emissions/resources than livestock. Moreso for non farmed seafood.

as for fish feeling pain or not, again, the studies are not conlusive at all and rather than being the generally accepted assertion by the scientific community/society as a whole, the hypothesis that fish feel pain is at most a debate if not a fringe theory. Furthermore, shellfish i dont think anybody claims those feel pain.

I'm no vegetarian (not even close), but i dont see why you are trying so hard and biased to equate seafood with farmed animal slaughter. There's a huge difference with catching seafood with purpose of eating it then systematically raising chicken/cow/pigs in awful conditions and pumping them full of hormones/chemicals so they grow faster so we can eat them sooner. Whereas seafood (non-farmed) , you could say they had a "normal" life before they were caught and end up on my table:lol:

But I will agree with you that i dont see how someone who eats seafood can call themselves a full on vegetarian, but at sametime you can't deny there is no difference in terms of "moral" values or impact on enviornment between seafood and livestock


However, more than 50% of consumed seafood in the west is farmed. So how is it different from farming cattle/poultry? Fishery catches have been rapidly declining and nearly all of the commonly consumed seafood is from aquaculture.

I always thought there were different levels of vegetarianism. A vegan is someone who does not eat ANY animals and only fruits, vegetables and grain. While a vegetarian eats fish along with the other stuff.

So depending on the level or stage of vegetarianism you chose to observe, it effects what you can eat and cannot eat.

From wiki:

No. A vegetarian doesn't eat fish. You are confusing many terms. A person who only consumes fish as a meat, can call him/her self a pescetarian, but certainly not a vegetarian.

Eggs are still a contentious issue but generally accepted a part of Vegetarianism (especially if unfertilized).

[amz155]

Pffft.....people who eat fish are not vegetarians.

Same with people who consider themselves vegetarian even though they consume red meat a few times a year "for health reasons" or eat the odd piece of chicken.

[slowtyper]

I'm fine with people who call themselves vegetarians despite very occasionally having meat or frequently having fish. It sure beats having the person go into a discussion everytime to tell evering what a "pescetarian" or whatever is every time. As long as it doesn't hurt anyone else why should we care what people call themselves?

[dighn]

I'm fine with people who call themselves vegetarians despite very occasionally having meat or frequently having fish. It sure beats having the person go into a discussion everytime to tell evering what a "pescetarian" or whatever is every time. As long as it doesn't hurt anyone else why should we care what people call themselves?

I think "vegetarians" who very occasionally eat meat is understandable, because they still try to stick to a primarily vegetarian diet. But those who frequently eat fish and still call themselves vegetarian are just play wrong. It's not a big deal, but if everyone did whatever they wanted just because it doesn't hurt anyone it'd be a pretty chaotic world.

[Nakuruin]

Prescatarians eat fish/seafood but not red meat (beef, pork etc.).

[slowtyper]

I think "vegetarians" who very occasionally eat meat is understandable, because they still try to stick to a primarily vegetarian diet. But those who frequently eat fish and still call themselves vegetarian is just play wrong. It's not a big deal, but if everyone did whatever they wanted just because it doesn't hurt anyone it'd be a pretty chaotic world.

I still don't see how it can be just "plain wrong". I mean if they are receiving some vegetarian tax benefit then yes, it would be plain wrong. But they are not receiving any benefit.

[slowtyper]

It's not a big deal, but if everyone did whatever they wanted just because it doesn't hurt anyone it'd be a pretty chaotic world.
I disagree with this too.

[dighn]

I still don't see how it can be just "plain wrong". I mean if they are receiving some vegetarian tax benefit then yes, it would be plain wrong. But they are not receiving any benefit.

I don't mean wrong as in "unethical", but "incorrect". If you define words differently from other people, you are not communicating.

I disagree with this too.

I don't feel like arguing this so I'll agree to disagree.

[Magoo]

I have a friend that was a vegetarian... if you asked her why she was a vegetarian she'd say she will not eat anything with a face.

Fast forward to the present... she now eats meat for nutritional reasons; being a vegetarian caused her to have an iron deficiency so she had to start eating red meat again.

Being a vegetarian is not easy; you must supplement the iron, protein and other nutrients lost when not eating red meat.

For my friend... so much for trying to do the right thing. LOL

[jayehs]

I still don't see how it can be just "plain wrong". I mean if they are receiving some vegetarian tax benefit then yes, it would be plain wrong. But they are not receiving any benefit.

If someone tells everyone that he is a doctor even though he is not, is that ok? As long as he doesn't give any medical advice and perform procedures, he is not receiving any benefits of being a doctor and isn't harming anyone, so it should be ok right?

[ShadowVlican]

lol.. vegetarians...

[slowtyper]

If someone tells everyone that he is a doctor even though he is not, is that ok? As long as he doesn't give any medical advice and perform procedures, he is not receiving any benefits of being a doctor and isn't harming anyone, so it should be ok right?

Actually no, by telling people you are a doctor you are putting yourself out there as a helper in an emergency where you would be expected to be called upon in an emergency.

[gilboman]

I have a friend that was a vegetarian... if you asked her why she was a vegetarian she'd say she will not eat anything with a face.

Fast forward to the present... she now eats meat for nutritional reasons; being a vegetarian caused her to have an iron deficiency so she had to start eating red meat again.

Being a vegetarian is not easy; you must supplement the iron, protein and other nutrients lost when not eating red meat.

For my friend... so much for trying to do the right thing. LOL

it wasn't because she was a vegetarian, it was because she didnt know nutrition. happens to people who eat meat as well.

[porphyra]

I have a friend that was a vegetarian... if you asked her why she was a vegetarian she'd say she will not eat anything with a face.

Fast forward to the present... she now eats meat for nutritional reasons; being a vegetarian caused her to have an iron deficiency so she had to start eating red meat again.

Being a vegetarian is not easy; you must supplement the iron, protein and other nutrients lost when not eating red meat.

For my friend... so much for trying to do the right thing. LOL

+1. I am all for vegetarianism, but I don't give much credence to people who take it up as a fad. It has to be done right. One has to balance their nutiritional needs properly when eating vegetarian food. And it isn't that hard, one just has to educate themselves. A vast majority of the South Asian Hindu and Buddhist population is vegetarian, so obviously they are doing something correct.

Your friend probably decided to do the "right thing" without educating herself as to how to go about do it.

[zonetbh]

It's a free country, you can call yourself a vegetarian and eat steak every day for dinner if you want.

[originalnutta]

It's a free country, you can call yourself a vegetarian and eat steak every day for dinner if you want.

and i can call you a hypocritical sack of road apples.

well, not you exactly, but those kinds of vegetarians.

[carmaster]

No, people who eat fish are not considered vegetarian. By defintion "Vegetarians do not eat meat, game, poultry, fish, crustacea, shellfish, or products of animal slaughter such as animal-derived gelatin and rennet".

[pmc]

It's a free country, you can call yourself a vegetarian and eat steak every day for dinner if you want.

Yup on a plane to Thailand, lots of Muslims go to Bangkok to "abstain" ;)

[duckdown]

Down with vegetables!

[UrbanPoet]

Tell them to go hug a tree.
But theres lacto-ovo vegetarians... I'd count those.

Because you don't have to kill anything to consume dairy or eggs.

[nalababe]

My wife is a pescetarian and she will use the term Vegetarian when talking with others or indicating meal restrictions as otherwise, she could end up with a piece of beef/veal on her plate at a function and would not eat it.

[gordholio]

What about the people who don't eat meat nor vegetables nor fruit nor nuts nor plants? :lol:

[jayisthebest88]

No absolutely not, Last time I checked fish are animals, and these "vegetarians" are pretty big hypocrites, and they are pretty delusional/stupid if they think they are vegetarians.

Actually, I don't see how vegetarians can even consume eggs/dairy, if they are really concerned about moral implications, they are basically supporting something that will make dairy cows and hens suffer for a long time while vegetarians think they're somehow doing something good in society. Vegans are the only true vegetarians. The rest are hypocritical *******s, who are being vegetarians for the wrong reasons. But then again Vegan's are still pussy's, so if you are vegetarian you are either a hypocritical ******* or a pussy...

[jayisthebest88]

I have a friend that was a vegetarian... if you asked her why she was a vegetarian she'd say she will not eat anything with a face.



I guess she's still allowed to eat KFC chicken then.

[duckdown]

vegetarians are lowlife scum who always try to make meat-eaters feel guilty

[slowtyper]

What about the people who don't eat meat nor vegetables nor fruit nor nuts nor plants? :lol:

poor people

[HBP]

vegetarians are lowlife scum who always try to make meat-eaters feel guilty

I actually found the opposite... being a lacto-ovo vegetarian I notice most people automatically try to discredit being a vegetarian when it's brought up.

Similar to how PC users constantly bash OS X users, yet OS X users are "lowlife scum".

BTW: No, there is no such thing a vegetarian who eats fish (these people should say, "the only meat I eat is fish/seafood"). Also, being a lacto-ovo veg, I haven't hindered my health in any way. Iron, B12, all fine. Protein is fine (Indian diet). I'm probably a hell of a lot bigger than the majority of you guys.

[nalababe]

vegetarians are lowlife scum who always try to make meat-eaters feel guilty

what a load of crap. Most vegetarians that I know (and that is many) have no problems with others eating meat or sitting down and having a nice dinner with people who eat meat.

Most of the snide remarks are from the so called meat eaters.

Sure there are some very opinionated vegans...those are few and far between.

[sumeetw]

+1. I am all for vegetarianism, but i don't give much credence to people who take it up as a fad. It has to be done right. One has to balance their nutiritional needs properly when eating vegetarian food. And it isn't that hard, one just has to educate themselves. A vast majority of the south asian hindu and buddhist population is vegetarian, so obviously they are doing something correct.

Your friend probably decided to do the "right thing" without educating herself as to how to go about do it.

+1

[HBP]

what a load of crap. Most vegetarians that I know (and that is many) have no problems with others eating meat or sitting down and having a nice dinner with people who eat meat.

Most of the snide remarks are from the so called meat eaters.

Sure there are some very opinionated vegans...those are few and far between.

+1
Though, I realized after my post who the poster was that I was quoting...

http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/9680891-post9/

Vegetarians should be shot

You're part of the human race, you're not a ****ing giraffe

[sockhead]

doesn't bother me as long as they don't ****ing tell me what to eat

[0xffff]

What about the people who don't eat meat nor vegetables nor fruit nor nuts nor plants? :lol:

You must mean a breathatarian! They don't eat anything but give them a good sniff of a thanksgiving meal and they'll be sustained for weeks.

[joeyjoejoe]

What about the people who don't eat meat nor vegetables nor fruit nor nuts nor plants? :lol:

I'm a Level 5 Vegan. I won't eat anything that casts a shadow.

[Calcutron]

I'm a Level 5 Vegan. I won't eat anything that casts a shadow.

Are vampires delicious? Did they get eaten to the brink of extinction? :razz:

Eating fish/eggs makes you a hypocrite vegetarian. I hate people who are vegetarian because its right when they eat eggs or fish. Do you know what happens to the hens after their production numbers decline? Or the male chickens shortly after they hatch.

[phomp]

Moral Highground is it takes a lot fewer resources to produce seafood in terms of carbon emissions/resources than livestock. Moreso for non farmed seafood.

as for fish feeling pain or not, again, the studies are not conlusive at all and rather than being the generally accepted assertion by the scientific community/society as a whole, the hypothesis that fish feel pain is at most a debate if not a fringe theory. Furthermore, shellfish i dont think anybody claims those feel pain.

I'm no vegetarian (not even close), but i dont see why you are trying so hard and biased to equate seafood with farmed animal slaughter. There's a huge difference with catching seafood with purpose of eating it then systematically raising chicken/cow/pigs in awful conditions and pumping them full of hormones/chemicals so they grow faster so we can eat them sooner. Whereas seafood (non-farmed) , you could say they had a "normal" life before they were caught and end up on my table:lol:

But I will agree with you that i dont see how someone who eats seafood can call themselves a full on vegetarian, but at sametime you can't deny there is no difference in terms of "moral" values or impact on enviornment between seafood and livestock Not really trying all that hard, just posted what I found from some simple reasearch. As already posted, there is plenty of fish being farmed for the purpose of eating and it is not all that morally better. The main point was that how can one self-proclaim they are a vegetarian and eat fish? The stuff about fish and pain and farming is just objections I have gotten back (IE- fish do not feel pain so being a vegetarian, I can eat them, or fish are not "meat" so I can eat them, or they are not farmed so as a Vegetarian I can eat them). The moral reasoning about fish should be irrelevant to a Vegetarian anyway...

It's a free country, you can call yourself a vegetarian and eat steak every day for dinner if you want. True, and I tell someone who does this that they are wrong and being stupid. :lol:

vegetarians are lowlife scum who always try to make meat-eaters feel guilty Woah, prehaps PETA, but I find most Vegetarians (at least that I have met) to be fine and not say anything on the issue. Some are not even Vegetarians for moral reasons, rather because they simply do not like meat.

They are idiots and you should stay away from them.
lol.. a little extreme. Prehaps mis-informed. Not sure if there is sarcasm in this post or not..:lol:

[fboybcb]

Not a vegetarian because a fish is considered a living thing.

[Ma_Jie]

LOL @ duckdown. Thanks for the laugh, man.

Calcutron: what do you think happens to male calves that are a byproduct of the diary industry? They become -- delicious -- veal.

I agree with otheres here, though: if you eat fish, you aren't one.

- MJ.

[ShadowVlican]

Not a vegetarian because a fish is considered a living thing.
plants are life forms too.

[fboybcb]

plants are life forms too.


No **** and he was asking about fish so what's your point.

[jayisthebest88]

No **** and he was asking about fish so what's your point.

Well you said fish are living things, and plants are technically living things too..So he's kind of right....

[windforcexx28]

Not a vegetarian because a fish is considered a living thing.

Everything that we eat were once living or from living beings.. or we'd be dead from the lack of nutrients lol..

[0xffff]

Well you said fish are living things, and plants are technically living things too..So he's kind of right....

The only way to be is a fruititarian. Only eat parts of plants that won't kill the plant if you take it. Because now a plant has "feelings" and "status" and can "suffer".

1 order of live fried chinese fish for me please!

[jayisthebest88]

The only way to be is a fruititarian. Only eat parts of plants that won't kill the plant if you take it. Because now a plant has "feelings" and "status" and can "suffer".

1 order of live fried chinese fish for me please!


you are a monster!


a true vegan subsides on a diet of filtered urine and splooge as a protein source.
not feces though cause thats just ****ing disgusting.