How many horses are needed to leave rubber on pavement?

[trixstar]

Was playing with my friends civic today. Floored the gas and all it did was accelerate with no spin action on the tires... Is the car too weak?? How many horses are needed to leave rubber on the pavement???

[jeev155]

depends on weight.

[trixstar]

depends on weight.

Hmm 2002 civic with me in the car, I weigh about 52kg

[UrbanPoet]

you also need quite a bit of what the Civic doesnt have...
TORQUE!

[Flyer]

Trick question. There is no rubber on horses.

[onecoolloser]

you also need quite a bit of what the Civic doesnt have...
TORQUE!

+1 Was going to say. Your civic doesn't have enough torque to melt rubber on the floor (assuming its stock).

Now...get a mustang and try the same.

[l69norm]

Also tire size/width, tire stickiness, how hard you shock the drivetrain, how the suspension is set up, etc

[UrbanPoet]

oh yah...
if its a manual tranny you could let the clutch go faster. It'll make a bit of a skid. lol

[VivienM]

Hmm 2002 civic with me in the car, I weigh about 52kg

A human being's weight is mostly insignificant. The car probably weighs 2800 lbs or so empty (Civics are light), so another 100-120 lbs doesn't make a huge difference...

[gamer123]

have the civic face against a wall then floor it

[win-star]

if it's an automatic ... go into reverse and drive slowly backwards, then quickly shift to drive and floor it.


and just wondering how does a horse or horses leave rubber on the pavement? maybe it ate rubber food?

[trixstar]

It's an auto tranny.. Stock is 120hp, but that was 7 years ago. It probably only has 100hp now. Thanks for the answers, I wasn't aware of torques at all. So much for the sport trim....

[KorruptioN]

Was playing with my friends civic today.

Congrats on turning 16 :lol:

[UrbanPoet]

Congrats on turning 16 :lol:

Civic with exhaust in the school parking lot!
meet me at the mall.

[trixstar]

Congrats on turning 16 :lol:

Haha I wish I was 16.

[trixstar]

Civic with exhaust in the school parking lot!
meet me at the mall.

It's all stock, no fart cans whatsoever, I hate ricers with a passion.

[KorruptioN]

It's all stock, no fart cans whatsoever, I hate ricers with a passion.

This very thread you started suggests otherwise...

[Phantasm]

Lots of different factors besides horsepower. If your tire compound is hard they will spin easily, if it is soft and sticky they will grip well.

Transmission gearing is also important if one car has a lower gear ratio than the other, it would be able to spin tires more easily.

I bought my car used and it came with some cheap tires that I could spin easily - but they were garbage. I replaced them with some decent Michelin all-season tires and now I can barely get a chirp out of them.

[bembol]

You are putting a lot of stress in the Transmission, Engine for what?

[CdTriX]

You are putting a lot of stress in the Transmission, Engine for what?

funzies

put it in neutral, rev it to like 4000, then drop it in drive and hold it...

you'll blow your tranny but you will get to do a nice peel out

or you can torque brake,

hold the brake pedal as hard as you can and rev the engine to about 4-5k, then release the brake and slam the gas down and pull the ebrake as hard as you can

[trixstar]

This very thread you started suggests otherwise...

what does trying to get some wheelspin have to do with ricers?? I was wondering what the minimum requirements were, and I don't drive a civic. Your posts are irrelevant to the topic

[gman]

Hmm! Civic is front wheel drive. Would it be just hop like crazy?

[TT333]

This thread makes me miss my 2000 Mustang GT... :|

But even my 90hp diesel Jetta can spin the tires. Silly thread OP, guessing you're a noob ;)

[alex_d10]

This thread makes me miss my 2000 Mustang GT... :|

But even my 90hp diesel Jetta can spin the tires. Silly thread OP, guessing you're a noob ;)

Key word: diesel. That thing probably has more torque than 3 civics combined. So I'm not surprised.

[npinc]

How many horses are needed to leave rubber on the pavement???

None. Horses don't have tires.



:lol:

Ok.. I'll be serious. Get a rear wheel drive with posi-track and then try it. I still remember a taxi cab I used to drive many moons ago. The owner had pulled the motor out of it and put a 351 Windsor in it with some type of modified transmission. One day, just for fun, I goosed it and left skid marks for 50 feet up the street. Less weight over the drive wheels + big V8 = smoke shows. :D

I know one guy that had a 30's T bucket with a 454 on the front of it. Big Mickey Thompsons on the back. When he punched it, that dumb thing went sideways. It was actually scary.

[VivienM]

Silly thread OP, guessing you're a noob ;)

Nah, just an RFD regular who believes that Civics are the answer to all car needs... :)

[ThePointblank]

Nah, just an RFD regular who believes that Civics are the answer to all car needs... :)

My RAV4 eats Civic's alive :)

[npinc]

Nah, just an RFD regular who believes that Civics are the answer to all car needs... :)

It can't be any worse than those morons with Cavaliers and Neons that think a fart pipe and a huge ugly spoiler makes it a sports car.

[zivan56]

Does the Civic have traction control? I doubt it will let you do much of a burnout...not to mention the automatic transmission losing lots of power through the liquid coupling.
You can jack the front end up a bit and tie the back of the car to a wall. Then kick out the jack while holding the accelerator down :cheesygri

[jetway1212]

what does trying to get some wheelspin have to do with ricers?? I was wondering what the minimum requirements were, and I don't drive a civic. Your posts are irrelevant to the topic

Driving a civic does not mean you're a ricer. Your knowledge as a whole says it all. The way you ask this question also suggests you're not better than any ricers on streets. You should consider yourself b4 jumping on the wagon.

Dumbass.

[at1212b]

I was driving my friend's rental Caddie, I believe it had 300+ HP and Torque.. was just taking it around the block, and was trying to accelerate hard by holding the brakes then accelerating and letting go of the brake right after... no peel, no hard acceleration, the traction control just would let it do anything. Even when turning a corner, just mash the accelerator a bit, just to see if I can make the rubber spin/burn a bit, again nothing.

So a combination of modern technology, and having a supremely underpowered car as in the Civic = no tire burn.

Ol' school V8 RWD.. yupppp, you'll definitely see some smoke.

[VivienM]

I was driving my friend's rental Caddie, I believe it had 300+ HP and Torque.. was just taking it around the block, and was trying to accelerate hard by holding the brakes then accelerating and letting go of the brake right after... no peel, no hard acceleration, the traction control just would let it do anything. Even when turning a corner, just mash the accelerator a bit, just to see if I can make the rubber spin/burn a bit, again nothing.

DTS? CTS?

A DTS is FWD. With a V8 that's not known for torque down low... (and I haven't looked up the specs in a few years, but it was 275HP for the 'base', torquier version, and 290HP for the sporty version. Both bolted to a depressingly-outdated 4 speed tranny...).

[onecoolloser]

DTS? CTS?

A DTS is FWD. With a V8 that's not known for torque down low... (and I haven't looked up the specs in a few years, but it was 275HP for the 'base', torquier version, and 290HP for the sporty version. Both bolted to a depressingly-outdated 4 speed tranny...).

Why would Caddilac make a luxury sedan with a 4 speed tranny:confused: I wonder how high it would have to rev before changing gears, lol. Atleast a 5, pref 6.

[VivienM]

Why would Caddilac make a luxury sedan with a 4 speed tranny:confused:

The Northstar/4T80 combo was launched in 1993. Back then, EVERYBODY had 4 speed auto transmissions... and the Northstar/4T80 was absolutely state of the art.

The industry went to 5 speeds in the early 2000s, and 6 speeds around 2007-2009.

GM, meanwhile, totally missed the 5 speed FWD transmission boat. They've made some 5 speed transmissions, but only RWD ones that were mostly designed for sale to BMW and later found its way into the CTS and other Sigmas. Any other 5 speed FWD transmission in a GM product, e.g. Chevy Equinox, was purchased from a third-party supplier.
I understand why that decision was made: some MBA figured that an extra gear was only good for improving fuel economy, and GM with its four speeds had the best CAFE of the Detroit Three. By the time they realized that was a stupid decision, they decided to skip straight to 6 speeds...

... BUT the 6 speeds are only for the new engines/platforms. GM has not built a high-torque, high-HP FWD 6 speed that could go with the Northstar.

And they never will: at the end of the day, the G platform and the FWD Northstar are at the end of their life, only still being produced because... well, there is no other big car platform. Zeta (the Australian-designed big RWD platform in the Pontiac G8) was supposed to replace it, but Zeta in North America AFAIK is dead, so the G body soldiers on with the same engine/transmission it's always had.

FWIW, the Ford Panthers (e.g. Lincoln Town Car, the DTS' most direct competitor) also stick to 4 speed trannies. And 240HP 2-valve V8s that are way more old-school than the Northstar...

GM make some modern cars. The Epsilons and the Sigmas, for example, with their DI/VVT DOHC engines and 6 speed transmissions. The G bodies are not one of them. There's a reason a HUGE percentage of G body sales nowadays are to fleets, at heavy discounts. If you don't need the rear leg room or giant trunk space, then there's no reason to get one (and even if you do, I hear Lincoln's MKS has lots of room... and a modern chassis/drivetrain)

(Disclaimer: purists will tell me the DTS is a K body. I don't care. It has the gas filler cap in the very distinctive G body location. It has the battery under the rear seat like a G body. Just because the wheelbase is slightly longer and the VIN has a K doesn't mean it's not a G body for all intents and purposes.)

(Oh, and FWIW, just a few years ago, Bentley was using GM 4 speed RWD transmissions with their 6.75L pushrod V8. They may still be doing it in a model or two, I don't know. Imagine that!)

[KorruptioN]

Driving a civic does not mean you're a ricer. Your knowledge as a whole says it all. The way you ask this question also suggests you're not better than any ricers on streets. You should consider yourself b4 jumping on the wagon.

Dumbass.

Exactly what I wanted to say! Thank you!

edit: Maybe not directly calling him a dumbass though :lol:

[gherikill]

was playing with my friends civic today. Floored the gas and all it did was accelerate with no spin action on the tires... Is the car too weak??

yes!

[ricoboxing]

maybe the tires arent bald enough. Wait till they only have 1/32 left then try it again.

Congratulations on getting your G1.

[VorteC]

No torque, probably an auto = your problem right there.

Rev it up in Neutral and then shift to Drive, that'll lay down some rubber (and some smoke as well). :)

[npinc]

No torque, probably an auto = your problem right there.

Rev it up in Neutral and then shift to Drive, that'll lay down some rubber (and some smoke as well). :)

It will be a great show, including looking back at their "artwork" only to notice shards of transmission lying all over the ground. :twisted:

[boyoflondon]

You weight 115lbs? :confused:

Tires can be spun .... I've done it in my old MX-3 years ago ... its just knowing how!

[Carzzz]

Pull up your e-brake
put bricks in front of the rear tires
pour some water in the front wheels and floor area
put your car if drive and you can make some rubber mark...

[ES_Revenge]

Was playing with my friends civic today. Floored the gas and all it did was accelerate with no spin action on the tires... Is the car too weak?? How many horses are needed to leave rubber on the pavement???

1hp is enough to "leave rubber on the pavement". All car tyres leave rubber on the pavement in normal driving, even without wheelspin. Why do you think tyres wear out and don't last forever? :confused:

As Korruption said, congrats on turning 16. However I will add that you should probably learn a bit about driving and vehicles before continuing to "play" with cars and continuing to "floor the gas". We all know the government doesn't require you to know a damn thing to obtain a licence, but that doesn't mean you have to keep the status quo, you know?

As related information, a cop in this province only has to see you spin your tyres intentionally once, regardless of car and horsepower, in order to have your friend's car towed and your licence suspended for Stunting ;)

[Nyte]

Auto civic, probably the tricks mentioned. On any car with a bit more power, make sure traction control is off if the car has it, and floor it in first gear.
The bigger question is why exactly you would want to spin your tires, I never saw the appeal.

[Flyer]

Auto civic, probably the tricks mentioned. On any car with a bit more power, make sure traction control is off if the car has it, and floor it in first gear.
The bigger question is why exactly you would want to spin your tires, I never saw the appeal.
Is it not painfully obvious that he is trying to compensate for something?

[T-Bone]

When I was younger, I had no problems peeling out off the start with the a stock front drive/auto Chev. Cavi with 140 HP Ecotec.

Crappy unsafe car, but had some nice pickup to boot!

[Wolfskin]

I need the audi R8 manual, and I will till the road with 1st, 2nd, 3rd.
Farmers will be planting potatoes after me.

[VorteC]

I need the audi R8 manual, and I will till the road with 1st, 2nd, 3rd.
Farmers will be planting potatoes after me.

=/ lolwut. riiiiight.

[marcopolo85]

Just do a few neutral drops. I promise the ladies will flock towards your car and absolutely nothing will happen to your transmission...:lol:

[KorruptioN]

I need the audi R8 manual, and I will till the road with 1st, 2nd, 3rd.
Farmers will be planting potatoes after me.

Not going to happen if you don't know how to drive (http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/road-harassment-805570/)...

[at1212b]

DTS? CTS?

A DTS is FWD. With a V8 that's not known for torque down low... (and I haven't looked up the specs in a few years, but it was 275HP for the 'base', torquier version, and 290HP for the sporty version. Both bolted to a depressingly-outdated 4 speed tranny...).

I cannot recall the exact model, but it definitely was not the CTS, so from what I remember, I would have to believe that it was the DTS.

My current car has slightly lower HP, but slightly higher torque, though RWD is alot more responsive. The 'Raw' feel. Since I don't drive newer cars nowadays, I can definitely feel the difference in the 'advances' in throttle response, stability, computer, etc. Maybe there's a setting that I didn't know how to turn off, but it was always smooth with the engine not revving as high, no matter how hard you hit the accelerator. Whereas my current car, it pretty much response directly to the accelerator if pressed fast enough regardless of situation, including when trying to make the tires spin.

[UrbanPoet]

OP.
You need one of these!
http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/avatars/34735.gif?dateline=1150313198

I need the audi R8 manual, and I will till the road with 1st, 2nd, 3rd.
Farmers will be planting potatoes after me.

Not going to happen if you don't know how to drive (http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/road-harassment-805570/)...




eek. an R8 doing 100 in the passing lane!!! http://forums.offtopic.com/images/smilies/ohnoes.gif

[bob24-39]

torqueeeeeeeee

[originalnutta]

342 horses

[Wolfskin]

Not going to happen if you don't know how to drive (http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/road-harassment-805570/)...

I know better than anyone. :twisted:

[M@rk]

Man, the stuff in this thread is why I'm afraid to buy used cars.

[williamsauga]

civic is FWD .....do a reverse, you'll spin alright

[KorruptioN]

I know better than anyone. :twisted:

You know better than anyone that that you don't know how to drive, exactly!

[urameatball]

on a manual, just rev and drop the clutch in 1st... in ANY fwd car.
on an automatic, there's a few ways, none of which are good for the tranny.

my lowest hp burnout was with a 3hp scooter, lol.

[gherikill]

not going to happen if you don't know how to drive (http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/road-harassment-805570/)...

lol:d

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