Eng 4u isp

[geokilla]

I have a ISP that I'm working on and I have to read two books. I picked out Shattered and De Niro's Game over a month ago. Just a couple days ago, I finished reading Shattered, and it was a OK book. It wasn't as interesting as the other Eric Walters Books though, such as Camp X and Camp 30.

I haven't started reading De Niro's Game yet and haven't been able to find too much about the book. I did read at RFD here with people saying that De Niro's game is a good book to read for ISP.

Anyways, my topic for the ISP is "Effects of war and its aftermath". Is this a proper topic to do for my ISP? If not, what would be the proper topic to do for ISP?

Also, I have to locate secondary sources (MLA format) where I have to find secondary articles on the topic of my ISP, as well as determine the focus of the essay and oral presentation.

I greatly appreciate any kind of help that I will get, especially with the topic of the ISP. Thanks!

[goJays]

i would ask the teacher for the best answer to your question.

[Havok22]

Thats quite funny actually. I read one book and completely made up the other one. We had to also do a presentation + the essay. The presentation I completely made up (comparing the book I read to the imaginary one). The essay just put down anything. Finished with a 85 overall on the ISU and 83 in grade 12 english lol

[ultran00b]

Use DeNiro's Game. It's a surprisingly good book.

[geokilla]

I can't really ask for help because my school is self study. I can consult with the teacher, and the teacher will usually give some advice. If only I remember everything that she says...

I won't be making up the 2nd book as we have to choose the books from a list. And I guess I'll continue to read De Niro's Game.

As for the topic of my ISP, any comments on that?

[geokilla]

Had a consultation with my teacher and I'm pretty much on my own, as the genres of the two books are different. She said I can look into the relationships and emotional issues that are presented in the two books.

Here's what I showed her today:

Topic: Effects of War and its aftermath.

Focus of Essay: Effects of war on human beings and how people's lives are affected, and how they work and help people to overcome the effects of war.

Focus of the Oral Presentation: Short summary of the two books. Why I choose the books? How war affects people.

Sounds good?

[kilarney]

Use DeNiro's Game. It's a surprisingly good book.

+1, I agree. It's a pretty interesting book filled with a lot of twists and turns.

Had a consultation with my teacher and I'm pretty much on my own, as the genres of the two books are different. She said I can look into the relationships and emotional issues that are presented in the two books.

Here's what I showed her today:

Topic: Effects of War and its aftermath.

Focus of Essay: Effects of war on human beings and how people's lives are affected, and how they work and help people to overcome the effects of war.

Focus of the Oral Presentation: Short summary of the two books. Why I choose the books? How war affects people.

Sounds good?

Looking good.

[geokilla]

Update. Teacher sent a notice out saying that the essay is now due on November 18th. HOORAY!

Anyways I've started reading De Niro's Game and noticed that there's a lack of quotes. Why's that?

[kilarney]

Anyways I've started reading De Niro's Game and noticed that there's a lack of quotes. Why's that?

What do you mean?

You just got to be a bit creative when finding the quotes in that book.

[biee]

In my English class, I used to read "The Wars" by Timothy Findley. It's actually a really good book and I enjoy reading it.

[geokilla]

Reading the 2nd book....I have to do my oral presentation on Friday and I'm not sure how to do this. the focus of the oral presentation is as I said, Short summary of the two books. Why I choose the books? How war affects people.

How would I go onto tackling this? The summary part is easy, as I'm making notes on both books as I read. I'm already done Shattered. As for the effects of war on people, where do you think I can specify this, as it's very general?

Also, Sparknotes doesn't have any information on Shattered and De Niro's Game. Do you know any other site like Sparknotes that would have the information?

[mr_toast]

Typically, you read the two books before deciding a topic and finding quotes, unless it's a topic the teacher gives you. But, if your mind is set on the topic you've chosen and you prefer not to change it, it'll look like you're a real go-getter to your teacher and he/she'll try to factor that in, given that he/she read the book.

Don't do it the other way around because it's easier to find quotes that pertain to your subject. You'll miss the idea of the story that way. It's how I got my 62 in ENG4U.

Still made it to University, though...