Cobra Radar Detector ESD737 $48 At Visions Until 11/1 Web Only

[idiotcanuck]

The ESD 737 is an affordable radar/laser detector with reliable and proven performance. The unit detects all radar frequencies and laser signals currently used in United States and Canada. It comes with the UltraBright Data Display and much more.

• VG-2 Undetectable Provides complete immunity to VG-2 radar detector-detectors.
• LaserEye® Provides 360-degree detection of laser signals.
• VG-2 Alert®/ Undetectable Provides complete immunity and alerts the driver when under surveillance of VG-2 Radar-Dectector-Detectors.
• VG-2 Alert® Alerts the user when they are under surveillance of VG-2 radar detector-detectors.
• Safety Alert® Warns drivers of the presence of emergency vehicles equipped with Cobra's exclusive Safety Alert® transmitters.
• Auto Mute Automatically mutes the alert tone
• City/Highway Modes Allows the user to select operating mode, reducing the frequency of falsing in densely polulated urban areas.

https://www.visions.ca/catalogue/category/Details.aspx?productId=4687

Shipping $9.45 to ON, and should be similar, or less for other provinces.

[brucebeh]

seems like a really good price, anyone have experience with this particular model?

[ganiba]

seems like a really good price, anyone have experience with this particular model?

http://reviews.walmart.com/1336/5347373/reviews.htm

[Wizard1]

Errr aren't these Illegal to use in most Canadian jurisdictions?

[blainehamilton]

Legal in Alberta, Saskatchewan, and BC. Everywhere else, hide it under your seat if you do get pulled over...

[Wizard1]

They have detectors that detect these things so hiding it will do nothing. If they have probable cause they can search the car no?

[XxXSnake23XxX]

They have detectors that detect these things so hiding it will do nothing. If they have probable cause they can search the car no?

obviously!!!!! they can do wat they want!
i would just get an STi to be safe

[Known2KiLL]

obviously!!!!! they can do wat they want!
i would just get an STi to be safe

Sti?

[Wizard1]

Sti?

Sexually transmitted infection. Jk jk, he/she means Subaru STi I think

[rayt-]

Sexually transmitted infection. Jk jk, he means Subaru STi I think

No, the Beltronics STi radar detector. It's invisible to the police detectors.

http://www.kmph.ca/products/radar-detectors/beltronics-sti-driver.html

[Avero]

Errr aren't these Illegal to use in most Canadian jurisdictions?

FS sells them too lol, wonder if they will ship it to my TO address :lol:
http://www.futureshop.ca/catalog/proddetail.asp?sku_id=0665000FS10046699&logon=&langid=EN#

[craeyon]

obviously!!!!! they can do wat they want!
i would just get an STi to be safe

Sti?No he means the Beltronics STi Driver. The only stealth radar detector out there. MRSP ~$500.

[idiotcanuck]

They have detectors that detect these things so hiding it will do nothing. If they have probable cause they can search the car no?

The way that I'm reading the description, it seems that these radar detectors are undetectable by police radar detector detectors? Of course it could be a tech war, with new RDD units able to detect older models. With the new RD models then invisible to the new RDD. That's one reason I gave up on radar detectors years back, I kept getting scoped by the RDD's. If they are now undetectable that's a different story.

[Wizard1]

No he means the Beltronics STi Driver. The only stealth radar detector out there. MRSP ~$500.

Out of curiosity.... theoretically speaking if you get caught with one of these what repercussions are we looking at?

Just as a note according to Amazon.com this only avoids Spectre 1. All others can detect this.

I'd rather use my POIs on my GPS as a legal alternative to detectors

[PCDawg]

Why should there be a need for these units?

I mean if you break the law, you deserve a ticket. By getting a radar detector so that you can go 50km/hr over the speed limit?

Be considerate and responsible behind the wheel and obey the speed limits.

[idiotcanuck]

FS sells them too lol, wonder if they will ship it to my TO address :lol:
http://www.futureshop.ca/catalog/proddetail.asp?sku_id=0665000FS10046699&logon=&langid=EN#

I assume they will. Unless the law has changed in ON, it wasn't illegal to own, sell, or transport a RD. It was only illegal to have one opened, as in not boxed, in a vehicle.

[danimal3]

Why should there be a need for these units?

I mean if you break the law, you deserve a ticket. By getting a radar detector so that you can go 50km/hr over the speed limit?

Be considerate and responsible behind the wheel and obey the speed limits.

Thanks McGruff. With respect, it's also entirely legal to own these in many jurisdictions. There are also places where certain speed limits make absolutely no sense.

[royal]

I am really considering it but i dont know what will happen if the rdd detects it and if its worth the risk for 45 bux.

[idiotcanuck]

I am really considering it but i dont know what will happen if the rdd detects it and if its worth the risk for 45 bux.

I'd take a look at how many points and the fine, for Possess a Radar Warning Device. In the old days it was a minor charge and fine. Things may be different now, though.

[Cisco KId]

THIS UNIT IS COMPLETE GARBAGE

sorry to yell, but don't watse your cash here is a quick review by a user who bought it for $39 at walmart over a year ago
http://www.radardetector.net/forums/cobra/34455-i-just-had-try-cobra.html

in oder to get a decent rd unit bottom line is you need to spend a little bit of cash

Best choices are the Escort 8500 being cheapest (available on ebay refurbed direct from Escort @ 140~ or the newer 8500 X50 then the Bell Sti Driver, Passport 9500 and 9500ix

Sorry to say save your funds the Cobra listed by OP is a waste of $$, Escort and Bell are great models. To date my 8500 has been pretty solid but I will be moving to a 9500ix

[joejoo]

Why should there be a need for these units?

I mean if you break the law, you deserve a ticket. By getting a radar detector so that you can go 50km/hr over the speed limit?

Be considerate and responsible behind the wheel and obey the speed limits.

Put your flame-suit on, the little brats here are going to give it to you for saying something so reasonable. ;)

[joejoo]

THIS UNIT IS COMPLETE GARBAGE

sorry to yell, but don't watse your cash here is a quick review by a user who bought it for $39 at walmart over a year ago
http://www.radardetector.net/forums/cobra/34455-i-just-had-try-cobra.html

in oder to get a decent rd unit bottom line is you need to spend a little bit of cash

Best choices are the Escort 8500 being cheapest (available on ebay refurbed direct from Escort @ 140~ or the newer 8500 X50 then the Bell Sti Driver, Passport 9500 and 9500ix

Sorry to say save your funds the Cobra listed by OP is a waste of $$, Escort and Bell are great models. To date my 8500 has been pretty solid but I will be moving to a 9500ix

Great, you are probably one of those a-holes that flies down the Barnet HWY in the mornings at 140. Slow down before you kill someone. :evil:

[Cisco KId]

The way that I'm reading the description, it seems that these radar detectors are undetectable by police radar detector detectors? Of course it could be a tech war, with new RDD units able to detect older models. With the new RD models then invisible to the new RDD. That's one reason I gave up on radar detectors years back, I kept getting scoped by the RDD's. If they are now undetectable that's a different story.

there is one radar detector currently built which is immune to Police detectors, it is the Beltronics Sti Driver it is the only one that can not be detected , this unit is only undetectable to the 1st generation police detectors,they are pretty much retired, you will get caught using this unit in any province where a radar detector is illegal

http://www.laserveil.com/beltronics/bel/sti-driver/

[czhe]

there is one radar detector currently built which is immune to Police detectors, it is the Beltronics Sti Driver it is the only one that can not be detected , this unit is only undetectable to the 1st generation police detectors,they are pretty much retired, you will get caught using this unit in any province where a radar detector is illegal

http://www.laserveil.com/beltronics/bel/sti-driver/

Can you be any less contradicting and use excessive commas at the same time?

[Cisco KId]

Great, you are probably one of those a-holes that flies down the Barnet HWY in the mornings at 140. Slow down before you kill someone. :evil:

No. I'm the guy on a Blackbird XX (that is now parked for the winter) that uses it on long distance trips into WA with other fellow bikers as well as late night runs to Whistler and my friends 9500 and my 8500 is yet to let us down. Don't tell me you have never been over the limit Mr Righteous, give me a friggin break as my driver record is spotless for over 25yrs driving, most speeding tics I got came during my 20's

The newest Passport 9500ix is my next detector for red light camera detection,autolearn and many more features, fully updateable as well by Escort but comes at a premium of about $500. Heck if is legal here in BC, WA and Cali if your gonna have one get the best. Valentine 1 is another great product.
http://www.valentine1.com/

oh czhe I could care less about grammar and punctuation on rfd. i passed that a while back lol

[Beradon]

Errr aren't these Illegal to use in most Canadian jurisdictions?Illegal to use in most provinces but not illegal to own one. I hear if they do catch you some may be nice enough to let you off if you break the unit in front of them. Other cops would lay down the whole nine yards on you.


there is one radar detector currently built which is immune to Police detectors, it is the Beltronics Sti Driver it is the only one that can not be detected , this unit is only undetectable to the 1st generation police detectors,they are pretty much retired, you will get caught using this unit in any province where a radar detector is illegal

http://www.laserveil.com/beltronics/bel/sti-driver/It's pretty much a cat and mouse game with the winner going to the one with the biggest budgets. Obviously the police will constantly upgrade their equipment to detect the best on the market. The revenues they get from speeders will out surely make up for the cost in new equipment.

[idiotcanuck]

Put your flame-suit on, the little brats here are going to give it to you for saying something so reasonable. ;)

No flaming. One respectful reply. Little Brats was about the rudest thing said.
You win.
Nope I was wrong A-holes. You win again.

[XxXSnake23XxX]

I hear if they do catch you some may be nice enough to let you off if you break the unit in front of them.



LOL! thats right... break that $600 investment in front of me!! :D

i thought they just take it and give you a fatty fine!

[idiotcanuck]

Illegal to use in most provinces but not illegal to own one. I hear if they do catch you some may be nice enough to let you off if you break the unit in front of them. Other cops would lay down the whole nine yards on you.


It's pretty much a cat and mouse game with the winner going to the one with the biggest budgets. Obviously the police will constantly upgrade their equipment to detect the best on the market. The revenues they get from speeders will out surely make up for the cost in new equipment.

You've hit on a reason for the STi guys to buy one of these too. To sacrifice to, or break in front of, the police, if they ever get scoped visually.

[PCDawg]

Thanks McGruff. With respect, it's also entirely legal to own these in many jurisdictions. There are also places where certain speed limits make absolutely no sense.

Sure, a 5KM stretch of straight road and the 70km/hr limit makes no sense?
Ill just get one of these and go 130km/hr since there's no twisties or bends and I can see the road clearly. Limits are placed for everyone to follow whether you like it or not and the police will enforce them.

Sure, not everyone follows the speed limits (i do go faster than the posted rate) but the police do give a little leeway and i drive within reason.

Put your flame-suit on, the little brats here are going to give it to you for saying something so reasonable. ;)

No flaming. One respectful reply. Little Brats was about the rudest thing said.
You win.
Nope I was wrong A-holes. You win again.

Not a knock on the OP for posting this deal, but in the wrong hands, they will think they are invincible and it will cause more harm than good.

[Nuprapture]

Why should there be a need for these units?

I mean if you break the law, you deserve a ticket. By getting a radar detector so that you can go 50km/hr over the speed limit?

Be considerate and responsible behind the wheel and obey the speed limits.

I see you're in Toronto, so you probably don't drive a lot of long, straight, empty roads. I just moved from Toronto to Alberta about 9 months ago and I can tell you there's a difference in these western provinces.
I don't own a radar detector, but I am seriously considering it. I generally don't do too much above the limit and have a clean record, but try doing a 5 hour drive from Edmonton to Lake Louise, often reaching into the late evening or night, and tell me you don't have a desire to push that pedal a little harder. You'll quickly realize that going 15 over the limit will save you about 40 minutes, so ask you get tired you say to yourself, "why not 20 over? why not more?" Driving drowsy is just as bad as driving drunk (http://www.sleepdex.org/drowsy-driving.htm), so why not go that little bit faster and trim 40mins to an hour off your trip?

I know this is just one scenario, but this is just one of the examples of when a radar detector would come in handy. Most cops I see in busier areas use the laser anyway, so I doubt the RD would help you there. If you speed when it's busy, tough. In an empty stretch of road where the cop is sitting in the car using the radar, well... you've just saved yourself a headache.

[michelb]

Someone please close this thread.

As others have pointed out, this detector is garbage, if you are going to use a radar detector, you want to get a good one. FWIW, most police use laser now which pretty much renders radar detectors useless; most detectors can detect laser but unlike radar, it doesn't send a constant signal so you usually only detect it when it's pointed at you and by then it's too late. With laser, the detector is really just giving you advance notice that in a few seconds, you're going to get a ticket ...

Everybody knows the law regarding speeding and radar detectors so no need to get into it here.

[gizmo8]

its good to own in areas where its legal to own one but in Ontario where insurance companies are looking for anything to raise your rates you be crazy to use one.

[Waste]

Why should there be a need for these units?

I mean if you break the law, you deserve a ticket. By getting a radar detector so that you can go 50km/hr over the speed limit?

Be considerate and responsible behind the wheel and obey the speed limits.

...and if you decide to drive the speed limit, please use the right hand lane...

[joejoo]

...and if you decide to drive the speed limit, please use the right hand lane...

...and if you decide to drive at more than 20 over the limit do it on a track.

[actng]

who still uses radars to catch speeders? the last few times I got nabbed it was all with lidar.

check out the laser park pro on the kmph site. it's pretty awesome. if they ever give you grief, you can say it's a laser parking system. which it is.

[albatman]

...and if you decide to drive at more than 20 over the limit do it on a track.

And if you drive 1 km over the limit, you are already breaking the law, so why are you different than him doing 25km over the limit?

[TCWeasel]

And if you drive 1 km over the limit, you are already breaking the law, so why are you different than him doing 25km over the limit?

OOoh...ooh. I wanna participate!

and if you've killed 1 person you are already a murderer, so why are you different than someone killing 25.

[domhnall]

Thanks McGruff. With respect, it's also entirely legal to own these in many jurisdictions. There are also places where certain speed limits make absolutely no sense.

McGruff... sweet burn bahaha

Also, I don't speed 50k over. But if you get a ticket for doing 120 on the 401, there's no glory in that. I wouldn't mind getting one of these bad boys.

[dawn_g_dkny]

OOoh...ooh. I wanna participate!

and if you've killed 1 person you are already a murderer, so why are you different than someone killing 25.

Haha no doubt!

[primehifi]

I'm not going to debate the merits of having a RD or not.

But I will say one thing, cobra is complete crap.

They're the kind of detectors newbs buy, then get tickets and claim radar detectors don't work.

If you want a real detector buy a V1, Sti, Sti-r, 9500ci, rx65, etc.

Something made by escort or bel or valentine.

if you want more info, www.radardetector.net

Secondly, you're a complete and utter moron if you believe the bs surrounding the "speeding kills" bullcrap hammered home by the media and police and most importantly, the insurance companies do some reading:

http://www.radardetector.net/forums/radar-detectors-general/29087-interesting-article-fact-vs-fiction-about-speeding.html

Fact vs. Fiction about speeding (http://www.carbibles.com/speeding_facts.html)

SENSE - Is speed killing us? (http://sense.bc.ca/research.htm)

The upshot, it doesn't.

And in case you need proof that radar's and jammers work:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Q6aPj7kyn0

For canada in illegal provinces with radar and laser you want: Bel Sti or Sti-r or 9500ci (www.kmph.ca are canadian and authorized) AND you want jammers like the m27's for a car or m45's if you have a big rig.

[labqi]

i will better drive slower than taking risk with these units.... police will soon find out a way to detect these and then this will be a waste.. :(

[JC69]

So if speed doesn't kill that would mean you have the same time to react to a situation whether you're driving at 80kmh or 160kmh eh? I smell bovine excretia. :confused:

[arm2000]

...and if you decide to drive at more than 20 over the limit do it on a track.
Ok kids, pack your toys, drink your milk and go to bed. Already late for you

[baumann93]

So if speed doesn't kill that would mean you have the same time to react to a situation whether you're driving at 80kmh or 160kmh eh? I smell bovine excretia. :confused:

come'on, it is like you are driving sitting properly with both hands on a steering wheel and looking ahead of you at all times (while checking the mirrors occasionally) :cheesygri <= that is your "time to react" => do not talk on the phone, do not get destructed by radio, passengers, vibrating in your pocket phone, and etc. and you will have plenty of time to react (160 is an overkill though).

[ozzzy]

wow ok.
I live in sask/ab. So i dont care about police detection. Is this good for casual hwy driving??

[drawde]

Just to clarify a few things

1) It is illegal in Ontario

2) The fine associated with it is not as bad as what your insurance company will do to you once they find out you are charged with having one. It is apparently worse than a careless driving charge for insurance companies whether you were speeding or not. Really isn't worth it, you are better off getting the ticket for getting 40km/h over the speed limit.

3) Even though police have them, they do not need any fancy radar detector detector's to figure out you have one. ie: group of cars, police turn on radar for a short burst towards the cars, only one car slams on their brakes, do it again, same car slams on their brakes or slows for no reason in the group......BINGO!!! RADAR DETECTOR!!

4) They are only good when a police officer is activating a radar, not good when they are not. Proper procedure for police to run radar is to visually observe the vehicle speeding, then activate radar, by that point too late. Although, police dont always follow this practice and have radar running constantly.

5) Good luck to those who decide to get it in a province where it is illegal :)

[Happy13178]

Do these even work with the new laser radar systems? In ON, usually by the time you see them its too late to do anything about it.

[albatman]

OOoh...ooh. I wanna participate!

and if you've killed 1 person you are already a murderer, so why are you different than someone killing 25.

You are right, no difference both are murderers and should go to jail for their crime. What's your point anyway?

[albatman]

come'on, it is like you are driving sitting properly with both hands on a steering wheel and looking ahead of you at all times (while checking the mirrors occasionally) :cheesygri <= that is your "time to react" => do not talk on the phone, do not get destructed by radio, passengers, vibrating in your pocket phone, and etc. and you will have plenty of time to react (160 is an overkill though).

Speed limits are 130km/hr in Europe, no 20km over is OK ********... Everyone follows the law, because they know that going over means getting a ticket regardless of how much over you go. Canada has higher per capita fatal accidents than most (including Germany with their no speed limit) even with our ridiculously low speed limits that are set for cash grab.

[VerMitsu]

Canada has higher per capita fatal accidents than most (including Germany with their no speed limit) even with our ridiculously low speed limits that are set for cash grab.

Why? Whats the reason for it?

[idiotcanuck]

Speed limits are 130km/hr in Europe, no 20km over is OK ********... Everyone follows the law, because they know that going over means getting a ticket regardless of how much over you go. Canada has higher per capita fatal accidents than most (including Germany with their no speed limit) even with our ridiculously low speed limits that are set for cash grab.

And while they're out grabbing the cash from the easy tickets, speeding, seatbelts and HOV lanes, and filling the cities and insurance companies pockets, they are ignoring enforcement of the things that are more important for road safety, but less profitable. Fail to stop, unsignalled/unsafe lane changes, Following Too Close, Red light running, Fail To Yield ROW etc.

[joejoo]

Ok kids, pack your toys, drink your milk and go to bed. Already late for you

That was so witty! Dumb ****.

[baumann93]

Speed limits are 130km/hr in Europe, no 20km over is OK ********... Everyone follows the law, because they know that going over means getting a ticket regardless of how much over you go. Canada has higher per capita fatal accidents than most (including Germany with their no speed limit) even with our ridiculously low speed limits that are set for cash grab.


Not everywhere in Europe the speed limits are 130kmh and Germany is a special case - autobahns plus great cars... What I love about Europe is that the passing lane there is really for passing - you will not see anyone just driving in it.

What I hate about Europe is their speed cameras - you will not be stopped, you sill simply be mailed your fine.

[primehifi]

i will better drive slower than taking risk with these units.... police will soon find out a way to detect these and then this will be a waste.. :(


The three units which are available and mostly used in Canada are the Sti, Sti-r and 9500ci.

The Sti is a standard RD which mounts on your windscreen or visor (for more stealthness). It's about 500~

The sti-r and 9500ci are full remote module mounts in which the detector portion of the unit will mount outside your car, commonly in your grill or somewhere on the front of your car where it's got good visibility of the road. The sti-r is about 699 if you buy it from the states and the 9500ci is grossly overpriced because unlike the two Sti's, the 9500 has GPS lockout abilities. Which frankly I don't buy into and it's another topic entirely.

The main reason these three units are used in Canada is because they're fully stealth from anything available and anything which may become available in the future.

history lesson: A long time ago when radar detectors first came on the market, police had no radar detector detectors. Then they discovered that the RD's kick out a frequency (commonly similar to the frequency spit out by the radar guns) themselves. They made a RDD (the vg2) and shortly after radar detector manufacturers shifted their frequency outside of the range of the RDDs so they were undetectable again. This cat and mouse business went on for a while, and eventually 'they' released the Spectre and now we're currently on the Spectre4. The Spectre4 can detect, quite well I might add, every detector on the market. Almost......

The thing about the Sti, Sti-r (what I have) and the 9500ci is that they emit ZERO frequency to be detected by the Spectre. They've not just shifted the frequency like in previous times, so that in a years time Spectre releases a new unit and it can again detect the stealth detectors.

That won't happen. They had the Spectre3 when the Sti and Sti-r were around and they THEN released the S4 and it still doesn't detect them. Frankly speaking, there is just NOTHING to detect on these three units.

I've literally sat in front of my LEO's at stop lights with my RD on and they have no idea.

Go do the research yourself, because unless someone like myself lays out all the info for you, 99% of the BS you read on forums surrounding RD's is going to be wrong.

www.radardetectors.net Do the reading, buy a detector and enjoy it. You won't regret it. If I got pulled over tomorrow and the cop searched my car for the detector, not only would he not find it (the sti-r is module remember, not a windscreen mount) but he can have it if he did! I've had more full blown saves that the unit's paid for itself 8 times over and I'd quickly buy another.

Just remember, speed doesn't kill, stupidity does. Drive alert, aware and smart. A radar isn't a golden ticket to do what you want, you still need to be paying full attention to take full advantage of it.

[pham12h]

That was so witty! Dumb ****.

lol.. that just proves his point right there.

anyhow, for $48 i'm gonna get this just for the heck of it (and the pissed off looks of Sti and V1 owners when it gives them false positives hehe).

[zzz3]

I'm not going to debate the merits of having a RD or not.

But I will say one thing, cobra is complete crap.

They're the kind of detectors newbs buy, then get tickets and claim radar detectors don't work.

If you want a real detector buy a V1, Sti, Sti-r, 9500ci, rx65, etc.

Something made by escort or bel or valentine.

if you want more info, www.radardetector.net

Secondly, you're a complete and utter moron if you believe the bs surrounding the "speeding kills" bullcrap hammered home by the media and police and most importantly, the insurance companies do some reading:

http://www.radardetector.net/forums/radar-detectors-general/29087-interesting-article-fact-vs-fiction-about-speeding.html

Fact vs. Fiction about speeding (http://www.carbibles.com/speeding_facts.html)

SENSE - Is speed killing us? (http://sense.bc.ca/research.htm)

The upshot, it doesn't.

And in case you need proof that radar's and jammers work:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Q6aPj7kyn0

For canada in illegal provinces with radar and laser you want: Bel Sti or Sti-r or 9500ci (www.kmph.ca are canadian and authorized) AND you want jammers like the m27's for a car or m45's if you have a big rig.

great vids heres another one from the same guy (spent a good half hour watching them all, quite entertaining):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zh8L1T1xj6A&NR=1

even with all the radar detectors and jammers, nothing beats having a ford gt40 to outrun cops (:-0 @ 2:00):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TclJW9v2dLU&feature=related

[bogey]

They do have radar absorbing materials for the military.
You paid good taxes, how about some access.

Here's your new coupe with the stealth option.

[corvettefan]

The sections of German Autobahns which have no speed limits, meaning you can drive as fast as you can, have one of the lowest accident rates in Europe. And I'm not making this up. Look it up on Google. Going 10-20% over the speed limit on the highways does not pose any serious threat to anyone. In fact a lot of these speed limits are created based on gas mileage of vehicles, i.e. most vehicles achieve their optimum gas mileage at 100kph, as it strikes the right balance between overcoming aerodynamic drag and not working the engine too hard.

In fact, I've found myself paying more attention to the road while I have my radar detector on. I can actually concentrate on more important things like deer, moose, slower drivers, potential hazards on the highway.

[HockeyFan]

Obey the law and you don't have to buy one. It's the RFD way! :D

[wolfy604]

Agreed with primehifi.

Beltronics STi Driver (http://www.kmph.ca/products/radar-detectors/beltronics-sti-driver.html) and Beltronics STi-R (http://www.kmph.ca/products/radar-detectors/beltronics/beltronics-sti-r.html) are pretty much the only radar detector we can use here. They're completely invisible to Spectre radar-detector-detector. They are also the best detectors you can get in the market.

Escort 9500ci (http://www.kmph.ca/products/radar-detectors/escort-passport-9500ci.html) is also undetectable, but overpriced.

Forget about the Cobra - complete waste of money. Get something that works well :)

[canadiantj]

wow ok.
I live in sask/ab. So i dont care about police detection. Is this good for casual hwy driving??

Yes,

I have a Costco variety Whistler RD and have a highway commute. The RCMP and Sheriffs here in Alberta tend to run with there KA band running all the time. Pick them off over a couple km away. For a cheaper end detector, its good piece of mind when for highway driving. I just shut mine off in the city due to false alarms.

[saturnsw2]

here are some reviews.
http://www.speedzones.com/sz_new_25_june.html

i do not own any as they are illegal in ns
jeff

[shepd]

Since people seem interested, here's the info for Ontario, straight from the HTA itself:

Speed measuring warning devices

79. (1) In this section,

“speed measuring warning device” means any device or equipment designed or intended for use in a motor vehicle to warn the driver of the presence of speed measuring equipment in the vicinity and includes any device or equipment designed or intended for use in a motor vehicle to interfere with the effective operation of speed measuring equipment. 1996, c. 33, s. 12.

Speed measuring warning device prohibited

(2) No person shall drive on a highway a motor vehicle that is equipped with or that carries or contains a speed measuring warning device. 1996, c. 33, s. 12.

Powers of police officer

(3) A police officer may at any time, without a warrant, stop, enter and search a motor vehicle that he or she has reasonable grounds to believe is equipped with or carries or contains a speed measuring warning device contrary to subsection (2) and may seize and take away any speed measuring warning device found in or upon the motor vehicle. 1996, c. 33, s. 12.

Forfeiture of device

(4) Where a person is convicted of an offence under this section, any device seized under subsection (3) by means of which the offence was committed is forfeited to the Crown. R.S.O. 1990, c. H.8, s. 79 (4).

Penalty

(5) Every person who contravenes subsection (2) is guilty of an offence and on conviction is liable to a fine of not less than $100 and not more than $1,000. R.S.O. 1990, c. H.8, s. 79 (5).

Exception

(6) Subsection (2) does not apply to a person who is transporting speed measuring warning devices in sealed packages in a motor vehicle from a manufacturer to a consignee. 1996, c. 33, s. 12.

Sale of speed measuring warning devices prohibited

(7) No person shall sell, offer or advertise for sale a speed measuring warning device by retail. 1996, c. 33, s. 12.

Penalty

(8) Every person who contravenes subsection (7) is guilty of an offence and on conviction is liable,

(a) for a first offence, to a fine of not more than $1,000; and

(b) for each subsequent offence, to a fine of not more than $5,000. R.S.O. 1990, c. H.8, s. 79 (8).

This means (obviously only for Ontario):

- It is illegal to sell these with a penalty of up to $1,000 for the first offense, $5,000 after
- It is illegal to drive a vehicle equipped with one of these
- A warrant is NOT required to search for one of these (only reasonable suspicion, ie: His detector detector went off, or you have some weird box flashing/bleeping with his radar gun, etc)
- If you drive with one in your car, you will be fined a minimum of $100 up to a maximum of $1,000, and the device is confiscated not upon conviction, but upon accusation (it is destroyed upon conviction)
- You may transport radar detectors in sealed packages in Ontario, but ONLY straight from a manufacturer to the consignee
- All this applies to radar/lidar disabling devices as well

As a side note, using devices to force the traffic lights to change is also illegal in Ontario.

[schweendborscht]

"Unfortunately the product you have requested to view is no longer available."

[99SiR]

Agreed with primehifi.

Beltronics STi Driver (http://www.kmph.ca/products/radar-detectors/beltronics-sti-driver.html) and Beltronics STi-R (http://www.kmph.ca/products/radar-detectors/beltronics/beltronics-sti-r.html) are pretty much the only radar detector we can use here. They're completely invisible to Spectre radar-detector-detector. They are also the best detectors you can get in the market.

Escort 9500ci (http://www.kmph.ca/products/radar-detectors/escort-passport-9500ci.html) is also undetectable, but overpriced.

Forget about the Cobra - complete waste of money. Get something that works well :)


Everyone talks about and posts links to the STi but I'm not too sure who here has actually used or owns it, my bud owns one and I've used it on a trip to BC and let me tell you its good, but its still not going to protect you from laser, we got hit by laser (not me) and yeah it detects it but you are already clocked by that time so it just good for telling you that you're screwed....any other radar bands it will work just as good as any other one out there, the cloaking is pretty useless if its legal in the province you are at there is no use in hiding it from the radar detector-detector-detector-er....detectors :razz: .......I would still use it tho but don't expect to get away from laser without some additional protection or stroke of luck.

[99SiR]

Since people seem interested, here's the info for Ontario, straight from the HTA itself:



This means (obviously only for Ontario):

- It is illegal to sell these with a penalty of up to $1,000 for the first offense, $5,000 after
- It is illegal to drive a vehicle equipped with one of these
- A warrant is NOT required to search for one of these (only reasonable suspicion, ie: His detector detector went off, or you have some weird box flashing/bleeping with his radar gun, etc)
- If you drive with one in your car, you will be fined a minimum of $100 up to a maximum of $1,000, and the device is confiscated not upon conviction, but upon accusation (it is destroyed upon conviction)
- You may transport radar detectors in sealed packages in Ontario, but ONLY straight from a manufacturer to the consignee
- All this applies to radar/lidar disabling devices as well

As a side note, using devices to force the traffic lights to change is also illegal in Ontario.

For you ON ppl and others, the best way to get around this is to have a envelope or box pre-addressed and ready to seal and mail in the car with you, if you ever get pulled over grab your radar and shove it in the mail package and seal it. Even though the cop knows you have a detector b/c they detected it somehow they cannot/would not open up a sealed, postage paid and addressed envelope. It would be a nightmare in court for the cop. Fell free to poke holes into this strategy but I believe it will work.

[cfedu]

I read something long ago that said, if you get stopped by the police, just put the radar detector in a mailing envelope. Have they envelop handy next to you, put it in seal it. Then you can say the detector in in transit and you are mailing it. I don't know if this works

[Redro]

Out of curiosity.... theoretically speaking if you get caught with one of these what repercussions are we looking at?

Just as a note according to Amazon.com this only avoids Spectre 1. All others can detect this.

I'd rather use my POIs on my GPS as a legal alternative to detectors

Where do you get the POI's for gps?

[tilley]

Why should there be a need for these units?

I mean if you break the law, you deserve a ticket. By getting a radar detector so that you can go 50km/hr over the speed limit?

Be considerate and responsible behind the wheel and obey the speed limits.

Posting while riding the bus again?

[marbss]

Why should there be a need for these units?

I mean if you break the law, you deserve a ticket. By getting a radar detector so that you can go 50km/hr over the speed limit?

Be considerate and responsible behind the wheel and obey the speed limits.

Because they live in the wild wild west... wait why do you need a gun? or better yet why do you need to eat McDonald's?

[Sergio]

Just drove back from Toronto to Montreal, average speed of 135km using Escort 8500. Detected 3 OPP cops on road.

My procedure is to immediately turn off device when I detect a k or ka or laser band. For the x band in Ontario, it's the alarms from industrial companies.

I never break immediately, when I detect a k or ka or laser, the ecort has excellent sensitivity and range, therefore releasing gas pedal has always worked for me.

I like the enveloppe trick.

I currently have a cheap old detector (20$ on ebay), and will hand over the cheapo radar instead of my escort 8500.

The best 2 radars on the market are Valentine 1 and Escort.

Ciao...
Sergio

[idiotcanuck]

"Unfortunately the product you have requested to view is no longer available."

Strange that it says it is no longer available, rather than OOS. I wonder if selling this by mail to those in Ontario and to other provinces where they are illegal violates provincial laws? Since they are in effect selling these devices in those provinces.

Ontario
"It is illegal to sell these with a penalty of up to $1,000 for the first offense, $5,000 after"

[Cisco KId]

Just drove back from Toronto to Montreal, average speed of 135km using Escort 8500. Detected 3 OPP cops on road.

My procedure is to immediately turn off device when I detect a k or ka or laser band. For the x band in Ontario, it's the alarms from industrial companies.

I never break immediately, when I detect a k or ka or laser, the ecort has excellent sensitivity and range, therefore releasing gas pedal has always worked for me.

I like the enveloppe trick.

I currently have a cheap old detector (20$ on ebay), and will hand over the cheapo radar instead of my escort 8500.

The best 2 radars on the market are Valentine 1 and Escort.

Ciao...
Sergio

I use same 8500 but plan to upgrade its KA is okay but now there are alot better out the x50 is better , but I plan to movie to a 9500 of some sort , since they are legal in BC, WA and CA I may as well have a good one on my streetbike

[djredhat]

For you ON ppl and others, the best way to get around this is to have a envelope or box pre-addressed and ready to seal and mail in the car with you, if you ever get pulled over grab your radar and shove it in the mail package and seal it. Even though the cop knows you have a detector b/c they detected it somehow they cannot/would not open up a sealed, postage paid and addressed envelope. It would be a nightmare in court for the cop. Fell free to poke holes into this strategy but I believe it will work.

Would the mailing envelope trick work in QC? What are the regulations?

[thematrix49]

I think thats $48 too much. If you don't want to get a ticket, then simply don't pull over.

[Reddevil07]

Just drove back from Toronto to Montreal, average speed of 135km using Escort 8500. Detected 3 OPP cops on road.

My procedure is to immediately turn off device when I detect a k or ka or laser band. For the x band in Ontario, it's the alarms from industrial companies.

I never break immediately, when I detect a k or ka or laser, the ecort has excellent sensitivity and range, therefore releasing gas pedal has always worked for me.

I like the enveloppe trick.

I currently have a cheap old detector (20$ on ebay), and will hand over the cheapo radar instead of my escort 8500.

The best 2 radars on the market are Valentine 1 and Escort.

Ciao...
Sergio


Or my trick is to just catch someone like you and follow them at 135 :twisted:. Driven to Ottawa and Montreal a couple times now and always managed to do this. Also saw a couple guys get booked in front of me.

Another trick is slow down on corners and uphills in the sections which do not have the medians. Never found a cop on a section which had a median.

Also to those saying drive the speed limit. Let me tell you that not a SINGLE person drives 100 on the 401. And speed does not kill, its bad driving habits that do. People are not thought to drive in Ontario and our rules blow. Where are the rules that state one must use the left lane only for passing and also no overtaking on the right at all on the 400 series highways.

[kahos]

Nothing sets off a spectre radar detector detector like a cheap cobra... Do yourself a favor and don't buy one of those unless they're legal in your province...

Oh, and btw that whole "put it in an envelope with a stamp" thing... That's a myth.

[Sergio]

Should work, it's proof that it is in transit.
Make sure you select a province or state that has legal right to use radar.
In my case, I would use a NY address.
Sergio

Would the mailing envelope trick work in QC? What are the regulations?

[Sergio]

I can see the leaders and followers.

My crown victoria / police interceptor vehicle scares them all away since they think I'm a cop :) I just installed a puch bumper on front, and it looks like a killer copy.

The OPP cops even wave at me :))

My next car will be the police version of the Charger.

The crown victoria / police edition from Ottawa Police at Auction cost me 4500$ for a 2005 / 125,000KM. Solid cars.

Ciao...
Sergio



Or my trick is to just catch someone like you and follow them at 135 :twisted:. Driven to Ottawa and Montreal a couple times now and always managed to do this. Also saw a couple guys get booked in front of me.

Another trick is slow down on corners and uphills in the sections which do not have the medians. Never found a cop on a section which had a median.

Also to those saying drive the speed limit. Let me tell you that not a SINGLE person drives 100 on the 401. And speed does not kill, its bad driving habits that do. People are not thought to drive in Ontario and our rules blow. Where are the rules that state one must use the left lane only for passing and also no overtaking on the right at all on the 400 series highways.

[brucered]

I can see the leaders and followers.

My crown victoria / police interceptor vehicle scares them all away since they think I'm a cop :) I just installed a puch bumper on front, and it looks like a killer copy.

The OPP cops even wave at me :))

My next car will be the police version of the Charger.

The crown victoria / police edition from Ottawa Police at Auction cost me 4500$ for a 2005 / 125,000KM. Solid cars.

Ciao...
Sergio

i wouldn't take that too far, the cops will start harassing you for impersonating a cop if you take it too far. whatever you do, just don't add a siren

[Sergio]

These guys (cops) are a special click together. I respect them, and would never try to let them believe that we are "fake cops". We need to test some software / equipment on police cars so that gives us a privilege to operate a Ford Crown Victoria Police Interceptor V8, and do some demostrations.

This guys are so nice, they even once towed our car to closest police garage and repaired our damaged wheel (wipe out in winter), for only 28$. I guess they gave us the police price at garage.

Sergio


i wouldn't take that too far, the cops will start harassing you for impersonating a cop if you take it too far. whatever you do, just don't add a siren

[alexkidd]

I have an Escort X50. Paid $500 for it. The way I look at it is if you get 2 tickets in the same year in BC you have to pay the fines PLUS $500 for the 6 points to ICBC. This thing more then pays for itself. I like to drive FASSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSST!! Responsibly of course... :cheesygri

[shepd]

For you ON ppl and others, the best way to get around this is to have a envelope or box pre-addressed and ready to seal and mail in the car with you, if you ever get pulled over grab your radar and shove it in the mail package and seal it. Even though the cop knows you have a detector b/c they detected it somehow they cannot/would not open up a sealed, postage paid and addressed envelope. It would be a nightmare in court for the cop. Fell free to poke holes into this strategy but I believe it will work.

Might work, but I've had a fun situation at the border this way.

Had to stop in the US to do some business, and I brought a package along with me to deliver (Cheaper to post it in the US than to post it in Canada, since it was going to a US address, and I was going to be in the US anyways).

It was all sealed, addressed, and ready to go. Unfortunately, I didn't get to the states until late at night and, of course, I couldn't send it off.

On my way back over, they decided to search my car, since I had nothing to declare and they didn't believe it (They also thought the coleman heater on my dashboard was a radar detector at first glance, *sigh*).

They find a box with $500 of satellite receivers in it (the one I was going to post). They wanted it open, and since I knew the law was on my side anyways, I went ahead and opened it and explained the story.

Since they knew they couldn't charge duty on an item marked for export out of the country, and since I clearly ran a business it wasn't unreasonable for me to be doing what I did, they tried to hit me up for the fact there's no french manual with the receivers, nor any French on the box.

I told them that since they're being exported, it doesn't matter, that law doesn't apply. After about 2 hours of them phoning up the manufacturer (who was closed being as it was about 11 at night) and checking with officers there they realized that:

- I didn't have to pay duty on something being exported
- My story made sense
- There are no labelling requirements for export products.

But, still, they opened the box. Perhaps because I was coming over the border they could do that. Perhaps the officer would need to get a search warrant (Which he would have no problem getting in this, or your case) if I were stopped after the border. In the end, I was happy not to moan about it and just redid the address label and shipped it the next day from Canada. :)

[Anonymouse]

So if speed doesn't kill that would mean you have the same time to react to a situation whether you're driving at 80kmh or 160kmh eh? I smell bovine excretia. :confused:

If speed qua speed is the chief accident cause, shouldn't the autobahn be the most dangerous highway in the world?

[drumboz79]

my cousin got caught using mine a couple years ago driving to ottawa. the cop knew we had one in the car, he took the unit and slapped us with a fine around $400...

[Kingmoo]

slow drivers driving in the fast lane is a good example of how speed kills...

[99SiR]

It really about probable cause, of course at the border your gonna get opened, they opened up a box of cookies I had in the trunk just looking for random stuff. I didnt know until I got home I was like "Hey who openend up my cookies?"

A cop who "thinks" you have a radar is not going to open up a package for only that reason....... of course if he thought you had drugs or or weapons in a package he surely would open it or wait for a supervisor and drug dogs before doing so. And even if he did open it... big deal its a radar dector in a package being sent to your nephew in alberta......worse case you do get the ticket, and have a fighting chance in court to get it dismissed.

[idiotcanuck]

It really about probable cause, of course at the border your gonna get opened, they opened up a box of cookies I had in the trunk just looking for random stuff. I didnt know until I got home I was like "Hey who openend up my cookies?"

A cop who "thinks" you have a radar is not going to open up a package for only that reason....... of course if he thought you had drugs or or weapons in a package he surely would open it or wait for a supervisor and drug dogs before doing so. And even if he did open it... big deal its a radar dector in a package being sent to your nephew in alberta......worse case you do get the ticket, and have a fighting chance in court to get it dismissed.

That's really what the envelope strategy is about, AFAIK, having a reasonable defense of the charge in court. If you, or your agent, argue it convincingly, you get off on the charge and get your RD back after a year or so in the evidence locker. I doubt that an officer is going to refrain from opening/seizing the package, but you do have the argument that his detector went off in error and that he seized your legal equipment without just cause. One helpful hint, if the charge is withdrawn, or you are found innocent, wait until after the time limit for the crown to decide to appeal, before you request your RD back.