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ryan_lau100
Oct 26th, 2009, 11:01 AM
Looking for something wider than 24mm and faster than 2.8. Someone had mentioned the siggy 20/1.8 but it got mixed reviews.

Can anyone recommend something that will be faster than f2 that has acceptable results?

Took a look at the Canon 14/2.8, 16-35/2.8, and siggy 20/1.8.

Seems the Siggy is the only option so far.

joejoo
Oct 26th, 2009, 11:16 AM
It's Sigma, not 'siggy'. It's Tamron, not 'tammy'.

You don't sound 'cool' by using this stupid sounding euphemisms.

Back on topic, just curious to know what you are shooting that requires something so wide AND fast.

ryan_lau100
Oct 26th, 2009, 11:26 AM
It's Sigma, not 'siggy'. It's Tamron, not 'tammy'.

You don't sound 'cool' by using this stupid sounding euphemisms.

Back on topic, just curious to know what you are shooting that requires something so wide AND fast.

Didn't know I was trying to be cool. There are many other things said on boards that can be nit picked but if I must be so proper yes the Sigma 20/1.8 is what I am asking about.

I shoot mainly weddings and I am mainly an ambient shooter. I have the 35 working hard most of the time but sometimes I find myself up against a wall and can't get wide enough. I have the 24-70 but its slow and still not as wide as I'd like.

gotak
Oct 26th, 2009, 11:49 AM
Here you go:

http://www.photozone.de/canon-eos/297-sigma-af-20mm-f18-ex-test-report--review

j27lee
Oct 26th, 2009, 12:16 PM
You don't sound 'cool' by using this stupid sounding euphemisms.


You don't sound 'knowledgeable' by using 'euphemism' incorrectly.

ryan_lau100
Oct 26th, 2009, 12:17 PM
Here you go:

http://www.photozone.de/canon-eos/297-sigma-af-20mm-f18-ex-test-report--review

Thanks for the link but that relates to the APS-C sensor cameras.

I'm on FF atm.

Was hoping to hear some others chime in with alternatives to the Sigma and what they feel is the better choice.

From that review it seems like the Sigma is a weak performer... Wide open it has a full 1EV vignette. I can't imagine what it would be like on a FF. Same goes with distortion.

ryan_lau100
Oct 26th, 2009, 12:23 PM
You don't sound 'knowledgeable' by using 'euphemism' incorrectly.

Honestly I think I've contributed quite a fair share of knowledge to the RFD community especially in the photo forums. Comments like that made by joejoo bickering over things that don't relate to the thread makes me want to stop posting altogether.

I don't mind being challenged with comments I make if it actually makes a difference to a thread but to call me out on something like that just irks me.

Borbor
Oct 26th, 2009, 12:30 PM
It's Sigma, not 'siggy'. It's Tamron, not 'tammy'.

You don't sound 'cool' by using this stupid sounding euphemisms.

Back on topic, just curious to know what you are shooting that requires something so wide AND fast.

does it really ****ing matter?

CSAgent
Oct 26th, 2009, 01:10 PM
It's Sigma, not 'siggy'. It's Tamron, not 'tammy'.

You don't sound 'cool' by using this stupid sounding euphemisms.

Back on topic, just curious to know what you are shooting that requires something so wide AND fast.

Someone didn't have their coffee/tea/booze this morning. :lol:

thelefteyeguy
Oct 26th, 2009, 01:15 PM
D1 with 28mm f/1.4 ...this will be true 28mm...oops that's nikon ;)...


just sub another canon full frame


...btw...any wider...things are going to look mightly distorted

bpopd
Oct 26th, 2009, 01:21 PM
D1 with 28mm f/1.4 ...this will be true 28mm...oops that's nikon ;)...


just sub another canon full frame


...btw...any wider...things are going to look mightly distorted


The D1 was full frame?

Borbor
Oct 26th, 2009, 01:33 PM
Someone didn't have their coffee/tea/booze this morning. :lol:

No

Someone found piss in their cornflakes this morning.

ryan_lau100
Oct 26th, 2009, 01:45 PM
D1 with 28mm f/1.4 ...this will be true 28mm...oops that's nikon ;)...


just sub another canon full frame


...btw...any wider...things are going to look mightly distorted

haha ya ya ya..

you are right about the distortion part. The way I see it its better to have a photo that is distorted rather than no photo at all (or with people missing from the two sides)

only a few times has my 24-70 not gotten me out of those situations.

booo to no fast wide primes. but hey at least we have the sweetness of the red ring 24/35/50/85 :cheesygri

sfu_engineer
Oct 26th, 2009, 01:49 PM
Well for a wide prime you might not need too fast since it's so wide it'll be easier to handhold it at a slower shutter speed. Unfortunately this doesn't stop motion though so you'll need a faster lens for that. Personally I very much enjoy my 24mm F1.4 but I wouldn't mind the14mm F2.8 rectilinear lens as it's not a fisheye.

ryan_lau100
Oct 26th, 2009, 02:29 PM
Well for a wide prime you might not need too fast since it's so wide it'll be easier to handhold it at a slower shutter speed. Unfortunately this doesn't stop motion though so you'll need a faster lens for that. Personally I very much enjoy my 24mm F1.4 but I wouldn't mind the14mm F2.8 rectilinear lens as it's not a fisheye.

was looking at that lense at the henrys show with CS Agent. distortion is crazy... like really crazy lol. its expected so i wouldn't mind something 16-20mm range and fast!

havent gotten a chance to use your 24 too much. cant really remember but ill look through your photos from sharon's wedding. 24 isnt very wide though =(

thelefteyeguy
Oct 26th, 2009, 03:11 PM
The D1 was full frame?

oops typo...d3 :cheesygri

thelefteyeguy
Oct 26th, 2009, 03:15 PM
was looking at that lense at the henrys show with CS Agent. distortion is crazy... like really crazy lol. its expected so i wouldn't mind something 16-20mm range and fast!

havent gotten a chance to use your 24 too much. cant really remember but ill look through your photos from sharon's wedding. 24 isnt very wide though =(


may I ask what you are shooting that requires 16mm at a wedding and requires fast glass?

is this for inside of a dark chapel or something? ...can't you take like 4 or 5 steps back? :cheesygri

(cause the glass aint cheap...esp since those wide shots are mostly for group photos were you can just use flash)

ryan_lau100
Oct 26th, 2009, 03:42 PM
may I ask what you are shooting that requires 16mm at a wedding and requires fast glass?

is this for inside of a dark chapel or something? ...can't you take like 4 or 5 steps back? :cheesygri

(cause the glass aint cheap...esp since those wide shots are mostly for group photos were you can just use flash)

Ya I know what you mean. Anything wider than 24 is probably used very little. By using primes mainly I'm always moving my feet however I need to use it for those situations where I am against a wall and cant get any further away... You would understand if you have ever done a tea ceremony at a Bride or Groom's house. Also there are times when you have to jump in close to get in front of a lot of the Uncle Bobs and soon you find yourself so close to the couple but can't move back because of the other spectators just blocking everything.

Yes I can use flash but I don't like the look of flash. Usually the only time I bring out the speedlite is when I'm doing off camera stuff.

A couple of times I've been forced to shoot f1.4 1/50th 6400iso and still had a bit of trouble.

thelefteyeguy
Oct 26th, 2009, 03:54 PM
Ya I know what you mean. Anything wider than 24 is probably used very little. By using primes mainly I'm always moving my feet however I need to use it for those situations where I am against a wall and cant get any further away... You would understand if you have ever done a tea ceremony at a Bride or Groom's house. Also there are times when you have to jump in close to get in front of a lot of the Uncle Bobs and soon you find yourself so close to the couple but can't move back because of the other spectators just blocking everything.

Yes I can use flash but I don't like the look of flash. Usually the only time I bring out the speedlite is when I'm doing off camera stuff.

A couple of times I've been forced to shoot f1.4 1/50th 6400iso and still had a bit of trouble.


i know what you mean...but usually in situations like this with the tea ceremony...you can either do 3 things...1. make it clear to the bride to tell her Uncles to make room (nicely) for the togs or 2. You tell your secondary to be the bad guy and tell some of the uncles and aunts to move back :cheesygri or lastly 3. rearrange the furniture.

but most of the time...it's just flash for me... These pictures are really for the relatives and not much so for the bride and groom...generally they dont care. It will be the aunt's and uncles and mothers and father that keep it. And they want crisp and clear :lol:

are you carrying 2 cameras? or at least a secondary to take the portrait shots at the tea ceremony? The problem with carrying at 24mm or less is that generally in most cases there's lots of emotion during the tea ceremony. I get some great pictures from my 50/85mm (depending on how tight things are). If you get something wider...you prob are thinking of carrying another camera.


I carry the 12-24mm (it's an f4 so not fast at all)...but I wouldnt take pictures with it during the tea ceremony...it distorts way too much. The only place I use it is for wide shots in the church and maybe a few during the bride/groom session, and 1 or 2 during the banquet. A 24mm will cost 1k plus...for maybe 10 shots per wedding...not sure if it's the best bang for the buck. But if money is no object...go for it.

Have you tried renting a siggy at vistek?

ryan_lau100
Oct 26th, 2009, 04:09 PM
i know what you mean...but usually in situations like this with the tea ceremony...you can either do 3 things...1. make it clear to the bride to tell her Uncles to make room (nicely) for the togs or 2. You tell your secondary to be the bad guy and tell some of the uncles and aunts to move back :cheesygri or lastly 3. rearrange the furniture.

but most of the time...it's just flash for me... These pictures are really for the relatives and not much so for the bride and groom...generally they dont care. It will be the aunt's and uncles and mothers and father that keep it. And they want crisp and clear :lol:

are you carrying 2 cameras? or at least a secondary to take the portrait shots at the tea ceremony? The problem with carrying at 24mm or less is that generally in most cases there's lots of emotion during the tea ceremony. I get some great pictures from my 50/85mm (depending on how tight things are). If you get something wider...you prob are thinking of carrying another camera.


I carry the 12-24mm (it's an f4 so not fast at all)...but I wouldnt take pictures with it during the tea ceremony...it distorts way too much. The only place I use it is for wide shots in the church and maybe a few during the bride/groom session, and 1 or 2 during the banquet. A 24mm will cost 1k plus...for maybe 10 shots per wedding...not sure if it's the best bang for the buck. But if money is no object...go for it.

Have you tried renting a siggy at vistek?

Haha SOOOO true about B&G not too concerned and more about the uncles/aunts.

Well I can see myself definitely using the 24/1.4 for quite a bit of the wedding. Anything wider not so much. Maybe I'll just do the 16-35 and at least that way I have another walk around lense that is uber wide.

I'll probably swing by Henrys and try out that 20/1.8 again. Ya I've told couples in the past about the restriction indoors but a lot of times like you said they don't really care. I end up shooting tight.

I have two bodies but one is a crop. Depending on the situation I'll have

24-70 + 70-200

35 + 70-200

35 + 50

It really depends on what is going on but I could totally do 16-35 and 50 or something similar.

sfu_engineer
Oct 26th, 2009, 05:03 PM
Buy less. Shoot more. ;)

At the end of the day your client's can't tell if you used a 24mm or 16-35mm to shoot their wedding. Use what you have (and you have a lot of good gear already) to it's fullest potential before thinking of more gear.

SENSEI
Oct 26th, 2009, 06:04 PM
Buy less. Shoot more. ;)

At the end of the day your client's can't tell if you used a 24mm or 16-35mm to shoot their wedding. Use what you have (and you have a lot of good gear already) to it's fullest potential before thinking of more gear.

...Says the gear hoarder himself....

You upgrade your lenses more than anyone I know!! :twisted:

Except maybe Nikko....:lol:

sfu_engineer
Oct 26th, 2009, 06:06 PM
...Says the gear hoarder himself....

You upgrade your lenses more than anyone I know!! :twisted:

Except maybe Nikko....:lol:

HAH! I actually couldn't be happier with the lens I use right now. :D

I wouldn't mind a 24-70 and 70-200 as more of a backup though.

zero_2003
Oct 26th, 2009, 06:19 PM
HAH! I actually couldn't be happier with the lens I use right now. :D

I wouldn't mind a 24-70 and 70-200 as more of a backup though.

What's in your camera bag?

ryan_lau100
Oct 26th, 2009, 08:00 PM
What's in your camera bag?

right now or what hes gone through in the past yr? lol

i think he has gone through the entire canon and sigma lineup!

nikko is pretty bad too bc he has gone thought BOTH canon and nikon

Borbor
Oct 26th, 2009, 08:13 PM
pretty sure he hasn't gone thru the 200 f/2

right sfu? ;):cheesygri

mahoro
Oct 27th, 2009, 03:11 AM
try siggy 12-24. my friend loves it.
But as a L-mania, I doubt you choose any other brand.

thelefteyeguy
Oct 27th, 2009, 02:19 PM
try siggy 12-24. my friend loves it.
But as a L-mania, I doubt you choose any other brand.

from my experience, you'll shoot about 10 shoots with the 12-24 AND...using it for the tea ceremony isnt something you want to do because of the distortion. All the uncles and aunts will ask why their faces are f'ed up. Further, unless you get a 12-24 f/2.8...you're not going to get any depth of field....and it would look like the shots were taken with a point and shoot.

in my experience as ultra wide angle doesnt work with portraits in tight areas.

my recommendations still hold...they them to back off! (politely...they usually understand ;))

CSAgent
Oct 27th, 2009, 02:45 PM
I really dislike the tea ceremony - zero room for creativity. And literally, zero room! ;) For the most part, I shot these ceremonies at the groom or bride's home where I can utilize bounce flash off of their ceilings. 90% of the time they had white and low ceilings. Just shot these at 17mm and called it a day at F/2.8.

I use just one, yup 1 photo of a tea ceremony in my portfolio for potential clients.

Personally, I think Ryan just wants a good reason to buy more gear being the gear hoarder that he is. He does have 7 bags... 7 bags?? Come on man! :lol: Do you really need 7 bags?

ryan_lau100
Oct 27th, 2009, 03:00 PM
I really dislike the tea ceremony - zero room for creativity. And literally, zero room! ;) For the most part, I shot these ceremonies at the groom or bride's home where I can utilize bounce flash off of their ceilings. 90% of the time they had white and low ceilings. Just shot these at 17mm and called it a day at F/2.8.

I use just one, yup 1 photo of a tea ceremony in my portfolio for potential clients.

Personally, I think Ryan just wants a good reason to buy more gear being the gear hoarder that he is. He does have 7 bags... 7 bags?? Come on man! :lol: Do you really need 7 bags?

Bahaha at matt

you see right through me... i am a gear head. i aint gonna deny it =). but hey the business pays for the gear so i might as well enjoy it right? maybe ill just pick up a cheapo slower aperture true 17mm or equivalent. always thought about the 17-40 so maybe ill do that so its kind of middle ground between a crazy 16-35 and the other cheaper alternatives.

@thelefteyeguy
u must be lucky man. every time ive shot tea ceremony its been in a tight space where im literally against the wall. regardless of people in the way or not its still too tight. for tea ceremony i usually aim to catch the emotions between the B/G and the people they are serving so not too much emphasis would be on the face. no doubt there will be distortion but again picture vs no picture.

and last comment for matt....
go buy another picture frame! :twisted:

CSAgent
Oct 27th, 2009, 03:08 PM
Bahaha at matt

you see right through me... i am a gear head. i aint gonna deny it =). but hey the business pays for the gear so i might as well enjoy it right? maybe ill just pick up a cheapo slower aperture true 17mm or equivalent. always thought about the 17-40 so maybe ill do that so its kind of middle ground between a crazy 16-35 and the other cheaper alternatives.

@thelefteyeguy
u must be lucky man. every time ive shot tea ceremony its been in a tight space where im literally against the wall. regardless of people in the way or not its still too tight. for tea ceremony i usually aim to catch the emotions between the B/G and the people they are serving so not too much emphasis would be on the face. no doubt there will be distortion but again picture vs no picture.

and last comment for matt....
go buy another picture frame! :twisted:

Hey, she loved that picture frame ok? She showed her happiness after and it was all worth it.. ;)

Serious note, get the 14mm you were looking at then, if you don't mind the bulge and no filter capability. Otherwise it's the 16-35 F/2.8L then. But that would overlap your 24-70...
But if you must REALLY spend the income, have you thought about getting into studio lighting? I want to go full time some day and investing in studio gear would be a good idea. Studio gear is crazily expensive. But that's a whole other topic to go on.

ryan_lau100
Oct 27th, 2009, 04:04 PM
Hey, she loved that picture frame ok?

bc you werent in the photo? LOL i kiddddd

what a guy. so thoughtful!

you decided on the 24-70vs16-35?

cy
Oct 27th, 2009, 06:12 PM
I don't quite see 16-35 as a overlap to the 24-70 even though the numbers seem so. The 16-35 is regarded as ultra wide (on your FF) and 24-70 is just wide.

I shot a wedding 2 weeks ago with 16-35L II and 85 (on 5D), works out perfect. I did thought about using the 24-105L but I would never be able to get the UWA effect. 16-35 can do most of what 24-70 does in the wide end, but 24-70 can never achieve what 16-35 does on the wide end. :)

I personally find it kinda steep to invest in a 16-35 unless you want to use it more and master at UWA, and in which, 17-40L makes a very very good alternative.

For tea ceremony, Matt is correct...they are ALWAYS the same. I usually just use 5D+35L and shoot all day long. At least the DOF can make things look a *little* more magical than just the boring "drinking the tea" :lol: Never found myself needing more space than 35L in those situations, but that's just myself though.

sfu_engineer
Oct 27th, 2009, 06:25 PM
What's in your camera bag?

Actually I only have a Canon 5D/5D2, 24mm F1.4, 50mm F1.2, 85mm F1.8, and 135mm F2 in my bag.

I wouldn't say I am a gear ***** either as I just buy and use what I need. I haven't ever bought any of the Canon zooms so I probably haven't gone through the entire Canon lineup as well.

bpopd
Oct 27th, 2009, 09:20 PM
Actually I only have a Canon 5D/5D2, 24mm F1.4, 50mm F1.2, 85mm F1.8, and 135mm F2 in my bag.

I wouldn't say I am a gear ***** either as I just buy and use what I need. I haven't ever bought any of the Canon zooms so I probably haven't gone through the entire Canon lineup as well.

sweet sweet setup. The final images must turn out so dreamy. I'm guessing you are soon to acquire the 35L.

cy
Oct 27th, 2009, 09:24 PM
Actually I only have a Canon 5D/5D2, 24mm F1.4, 50mm F1.2, 85mm F1.8, and 135mm F2 in my bag.

I wouldn't say I am a gear ***** either as I just buy and use what I need. I haven't ever bought any of the Canon zooms so I probably haven't gone through the entire Canon lineup as well.

Great setup! Add 35L to your line up and you'll be a happy man. I saw your shooting style and I think 35L would suit you very well.

I can't be happier when my 5D2 and 35L play together!

sfu_engineer
Oct 27th, 2009, 09:54 PM
Great setup! Add 35L to your line up and you'll be a happy man. I saw your shooting style and I think 35L would suit you very well.

I can't be happier when my 5D2 and 35L play together!

I think the 35L would be nice. But I am VERY happy with using the 24L and 50L in tandem right now. The 50L is just such a versatile focal length for FF. It can be both wide and tight depending on your foot zoom. Plus I am saving up for those new 27-inch i7 iMacs instead. :D

cy
Oct 27th, 2009, 10:17 PM
I think the 35L would be nice. But I am VERY happy with using the 24L and 50L in tandem right now. The 50L is just such a versatile focal length for FF. It can be both wide and tight depending on your foot zoom. Plus I am saving up for those new 27-inch i7 iMacs instead. :D

I would agree with the 27" iMac too ;) I picked up the core 2 duo one on the launch day since I really don't care for the processing power. Mac is usually more Ram hungry than CPU hungry.

sabesh
Oct 27th, 2009, 11:04 PM
<snip> But I am VERY happy with using the 24L and 50L in tandem right now. The 50L is just such a versatile focal length for FF <snip>
I agree! I love my 50L and 24L-II as well. BTW, the 50L is great on a crop body for portraits too. Cheers.

lz7j
Oct 28th, 2009, 12:02 AM
There's nothing wrong with spending the $ on lenses! As long as you can afford it; these days they're a very sound investment. I've never lost money on selling/upgrading a lens. In some cases, I've made $ selling.

I sold my entire Nikon kit and kept a D3, 35/2 and 85/1.4 as my profit! :cheesygri
I sold my 300 2.8L IS today (bought it almost 2 years ago) and made a $600 profit.

I've collected every single Canon prime from 14Lmk2 to 200L F/2IS... bored with the Canon stuff now and moving into high end Leica gear.

If you want it, sooner or later you'll own it.

ryan_lau100
Oct 28th, 2009, 08:44 AM
There's nothing wrong with spending the $ on lenses! As long as you can afford it; these days they're a very sound investment. I've never lost money on selling/upgrading a lens. In some cases, I've made $ selling.

I sold my entire Nikon kit and kept a D3, 35/2 and 85/1.4 as my profit! :cheesygri
I sold my 300 2.8L IS today (bought it almost 2 years ago) and made a $600 profit.

I've collected every single Canon prime from 14Lmk2 to 200L F/2IS... bored with the Canon stuff now and moving into high end Leica gear.

If you want it, sooner or later you'll own it.

i think ive only lost on my sigma 70-300... and i think i lost $30 on it otherwise im in the same boat. made money or broke even.

hurmmm 24 and 135 next? LOL nawwww i like my current setup.

thelefteyeguy
Oct 28th, 2009, 11:28 AM
@thelefteyeguy
u must be lucky man. every time ive shot tea ceremony its been in a tight space where im literally against the wall. regardless of people in the way or not its still too tight. for tea ceremony i usually aim to catch the emotions between the B/G and the people they are serving so not too much emphasis would be on the face. no doubt there will be distortion but again picture vs no picture.



you prob shoot in a lot of Toronto homes...small...very I usually do more jobs in Scarboro/Markham/Richmond Hill....usually more space :cheesygri

ryan_lau100
Oct 28th, 2009, 12:22 PM
you prob shoot in a lot of Toronto homes...small...very I usually do more jobs in Scarboro/Markham/Richmond Hill....usually more space :cheesygri

mine are markham/scarb/richmondhill!!!

lol

i think they just like choosing small spaces. apparently the chiense one i have in may 2010 will be in a huge hall... thank goodness.

lz7j
Oct 28th, 2009, 02:42 PM
hurmmm 24 and 135 next? LOL nawwww i like my current setup.

I used to shoot exclusively with the 35L & 85L last year. This season, I switched and started using a 24Lii & 50L. Personally, this combo works better for my style. I find that the focal length is a lot more flexible. I'm slowly trying to get away from tight-crop shots. The 35L is more versatile than the 24L, but I really like the interesting perspective that the 24mm gives me.

As for the 135L, I have it and rarely use it. It's too slow for dark churches and receptions (reason why I got the 200IS -- only if it was smaller and black). Maybe you should look into the 85 1.8 or 100 2.0. Cheaper and a more manageable focal length.

ryan_lau100
Oct 31st, 2009, 12:04 AM
I used to shoot exclusively with the 35L & 85L last year. This season, I switched and started using a 24Lii & 50L. Personally, this combo works better for my style. I find that the focal length is a lot more flexible. I'm slowly trying to get away from tight-crop shots. The 35L is more versatile than the 24L, but I really like the interesting perspective that the 24mm gives me.

As for the 135L, I have it and rarely use it. It's too slow for dark churches and receptions (reason why I got the 200IS -- only if it was smaller and black). Maybe you should look into the 85 1.8 or 100 2.0. Cheaper and a more manageable focal length.

let me know when u when u wanna dump that 135 =)

well 16-35mk2 it is...

definitely miss how much i can fit in the frame after selling the 10-22. giving it a whirl at tomorrows wedding.

mcmc
Nov 1st, 2009, 01:56 AM
wonder if anyone tried the Sigma 10-20 F3.5?

Akraz
Nov 1st, 2009, 10:56 AM
Excuse the noobiness, what would a photographer use this lens for? (Im trying to learn ;[ )

CSAgent
Nov 1st, 2009, 07:32 PM
Excuse the noobiness, what would a photographer use this lens for? (Im trying to learn ;[ )

Prime lens = fixed focal length, less internal parts, more focus on quality of materials used to enhance picture quality. Reliability because less parts involved. Lighter weight than their zoom lens counterpart. Biggest maximum aperture possible. Not as important but bragging rights, a standard 50mm F1.2L costs $1700 retail for example. At F1.2, that's twice or three times as much light as you would get from the fastest zoom lens of F2.8.

cy
Nov 1st, 2009, 07:41 PM
.....Lighter weight than their zoom lens counterpart......

hey hey hey Matt, try a 85L ;) (or a 200L F1.8 or F2.0IS)

You've summed it up very well though! Personally I am after the sharpness, bokeh and the extra stops.

CSAgent
Nov 1st, 2009, 08:31 PM
hey hey hey Matt, try a 85L ;) (or a 200L F1.8 or F2.0IS)

You've summed it up very well though! Personally I am after the sharpness, bokeh and the extra stops.

Ditto but for L lens. That red ring is like crack for me. :D

ryan_lau100
Nov 2nd, 2009, 11:21 AM
[QUOTE=cy;9685371]hey hey hey Matt, try a 85L ;) QUOTE]

bahaha ask nikko about the time we met up with a bunch of other photographers and i dropped his 85 because of the size!

The 10-20 sigma is actually the closest you will come to quality of the canon 10-22. I would opt for this as the huge margin in price doesn't equal the huge margin in quality.

@Matt. I must be a crack addict then!

cy
Nov 2nd, 2009, 11:41 AM
bahaha ask nikko about the time we met up with a bunch of other photographers and i dropped his 85 because of the size!

The 10-20 sigma is actually the closest you will come to quality of the canon 10-22. I would opt for this as the huge margin in price doesn't equal the huge margin in quality.

@Matt. I must be a crack addict then!

ouch, did you have to pay for it? LOL

I actually wouldn't agree with the 10-20. The sharpness seems to be there when DSLR photography is new to you, however I look back 3 years ago when I had the lens, I still can't understand why I called that "sharp". If you are willing to try third party, the Tokina 10-16 F2.8 got some great reviews!

sabesh
Nov 2nd, 2009, 11:46 AM
<snip>
bahaha ask nikko about the time we met up with a bunch of other photographers and i dropped his 85 because of the size! <snip>
OMG, knowing Nikko and how he takes care of his lenses, he must've had a shock, LOL. I know I would have cringed if that happened to my beloved 85L-II ;)

ryan_lau100
Nov 2nd, 2009, 12:07 PM
OMG, knowing Nikko and how he takes care of his lenses, he must've had a shock, LOL. I know I would have cringed if that happened to my beloved 85L-II ;)

bahaha it wasnt that bad!!!

literally 3-4 inches off the table when i was swapping the 24-70 to it

made a little "bang" that had everyone else looking but not like to the floor lol

if it had broken i would think the price tag woulda been hefty!

lz7j
Nov 2nd, 2009, 03:26 PM
bahaha it wasnt that bad!!!

literally 3-4 inches off the table when i was swapping the 24-70 to it

made a little "bang" that had everyone else looking but not like to the floor lol

if it had broken i would think the price tag woulda been hefty!

my heart skipped a beat when I heard that thump! luckily, the 85L escaped without a blemish. it also received a clean bill of health from canon -- all my lenses did (yearly check up).

the appearance of the 85L is deceiving, it is pretty hefty. it's also a challenge to mount it on the body with its protruding rear element.

bpopd
Nov 2nd, 2009, 05:53 PM
my heart skipped a beat when I heard that thump! luckily, the 85L escaped without a blemish. it also received a clean bill of health from canon -- all my lenses did (yearly check up).

the appearance of the 85L is deceiving, it is pretty hefty. it's also a challenge to mount it on the body with its protruding rear element.

Do you send in your lenses to canon every year? Does it cost anything?

lz7j
Nov 2nd, 2009, 06:05 PM
Do you send in your lenses to canon every year? Does it cost anything?

Yes, I send in my most used lenses and bodies to Canon at the end of every wedding season for cleaning and testing/calibration. The cost to this is $100 for the gold cps membership.

bpopd
Dec 3rd, 2009, 03:28 PM
Yes, I send in my most used lenses and bodies to Canon at the end of every wedding season for cleaning and testing/calibration. The cost to this is $100 for the gold cps membership.

Thats actually quite worth it. Each time I believe they charge about $50 for cleaning and calibration. So if you have several lenses, then it's really really worth it.