Canon D10 or Panasonic Lumix DMC-TS1??

[oceania]

Just wondering if anyone has either of these cameras. I'm having a difficult time deciding between the Canon D10 and Panasonic TS1. I'm leaning towards the Panasonic just because of the its appearance and it's not bulky. I'll be using this camera mostly out of the water, typically at parties and indoor events instead of outdoor adventure. The main reason for getting it is if it does get wet (jungle, dropped in water, etc) I won't have many issues.

From everything I've read, picture quality is pretty equal between the two but the Canon D10 does seem to get better ratings and reviews from users/testers.

Thought I'd ask on here before I make my purchase.

[legendofxix]

If you whipped outa D10 at a party to take a photo, I would laugh at you.

[oceania]

If you whipped outa D10 at a party to take a photo, I would laugh at you.

haha...I would look like a tard. I actually had bought it a couple of weeks ago and tried it out (great camera, really, really like it) but I returned it yesterday. The has a lot of cool features, easier to use and takes really good pictures. I wished they didn't make it look like that though. Even if it was all silver and not so rounded, it would've been fine. It sucks that you can't find everything you're looking for in one product, I think manufactures do it on purpose! Anyways, I placed an order for the Panasonic (they didn't have my colour), it's $65 more and has less or lower features.

To be honest, I'm still double minded.

[gotak]

The D10 is much more niche than the panasonic. It can actually be used for scuba where as the panasonic and the other snorkel depth cameras are more for people who occasionally get their camera wet.

I think if you are using it in social situaitons the panasonic makes the most sense. I too would find it amusing if someone takes a D10 to a party. That it unless it was an underwater party :D

[joejoo]

The Olympus 1050SW is absolutely fantastic, great bang for the buck right now at $197 at Future Shop if I remember correctly.

It's always with me, I have dropped it in a fast moving river, took video yesterday of spawning salmon, and left it outside my chalet last winter during a ski trip. The thing is indestructible I swear. I love the look on peoples faces when I stick it in a creek! :lol:

[oceania]

The Olympus 1050SW is absolutely fantastic, great bang for the buck right now at $197 at Future Shop if I remember correctly.

It's always with me, I have dropped it in a fast moving river, took video yesterday of spawning salmon, and left it outside my chalet last winter during a ski trip. The thing is indestructible I swear. I love the look on peoples faces when I stick it in a creek! :lol:
Interesting because I've read and heard nothing but bad reviews for the Olympus water cameras.

[joejoo]

Interesting because I've read and heard nothing but bad reviews for the Olympus water cameras.

Well, I am an actual user with a positive experience. I had the 790SW years ago and it worked great as well until it went overboard on a fishing excursion off the Haidi Gwaii coast.

I don't (and won't compare) this to any other camera equipment I own. These are just fun little cameras meant to capture a memory and put up with a lot of abuse.

If you think the Panasonic is going to give you something more, then pay the premium for it. Whatever you need to make you think your images are great is all that matters I suppose...:lol:

[oceania]

Whatever you need to make you think your images are great is all that matters I suppose...:lol:

Your post would have had more credibility if you chose to leave out the condescending remark.

[warpdrive]

Interesting because I've read and heard nothing but bad reviews for the Olympus water cameras.

I had the Olympus Tough 6000 and I returned it. It was slow and picture quality was average at best.

[joejoo]

Your post would have had more credibility if you chose to leave out the condescending remark.

You are right, my apologies...

[oceania]

You are right, my apologies...

Thank you for that. How is the camera in low light? Both for quality and shutter speed (e.g. the time it takes to focus and take [consecutive] shots)?

[warpdrive]

Thank you for that. How is the camera in low light? Both for quality and shutter speed (e.g. the time it takes to focus and take [consecutive] shots)?

The current waterproof Olympuses are pretty poor in all those aspects. Look at the dpreview. I returned it because I couldn't believe how bad it was.

[oceania]

The current waterproof Olympuses are pretty poor in all those aspects. Look at the dpreview. I returned it because I couldn't believe how bad it was.

Actually I did look at dpreview but let me explain my situation a bit.

This camera would be my secondary/backup camera. My primary is my DSLR but sometimes it's not feasible/wise/convenient to take out the SLR. For example, I travel a lot and while most times I face minimal security risk, sometimes it's not that great of an idea. Also the places I travel to are sometimes wet/humid like the jungle (which is my main reason for getting a waterproof camera). However, the times I would use for it under water or water proof purpose is pretty small. The other times I would use it is when I don't want to lug around my SLR like at a party or something.

So on one hand, I don't want to spend too much money on a backup camera that I won't be using that often but then again, I don't want to get a really crappy one that does a half-ass job. So I was considering trying out the Olympus one, it can't be that bad, can it?

[joejoo]

The current waterproof Olympuses are pretty poor in all those aspects. Look at the dpreview. I returned it because I couldn't believe how bad it was.


Tell that to the art director at Canadian Geographic. I had a photo taken with my 1050SW in the April 2009 edition. (It was part of an assignment I did for them...). The camera plays such a small role in photography, maybe someday people will realize this. ;)

That's all I have to say about this. Just get a camera you are comfortable with and USE it.

Cheers.

[oceania]

The camera plays such a small role in photography, maybe someday people will realize this. ;)

That's all I have to say about this. Just get a camera you are comfortable with and USE it.



For those that take photography a bit more seriously, shutter speed and the quality of the lens does plays a huge role in what makes a good exposure, not just the photographer's talent alone, meaning equipment does matter. Actually there's not much debate in that and I have never heard of a legitimate photographer (amateur or professional) say otherwise.

[joejoo]

For those that take photography a bit more seriously, shutter speed and the quality of the lens does plays a huge role in what makes a good exposure, not just the photographer's talent alone, meaning equipment does matter. Actually there's not much debate in that and I have never heard of a legitimate photographer (amateur or professional) say otherwise.

OK - Just one more thing...:cheesygri

I have made a living from photography for the past 23 years. I have been published in over 40 unique magazines, worked as a PJ for 2 major newspapers in Canada and 1 in the UK. I was in Bosnia when it 'went south', some of my images were used in Time.

I now make more from stock in a month then most people make in a year.

Believe what you want but I speak from a LOT of experience. Gear is such a small part of it...

[oceania]

OK - Just one more thing...:cheesygri

I have made a living from photography for the past 23 years. I have been published in over 40 unique magazines, worked as a PJ for 2 major newspapers in Canada and 1 in the UK. I was in Bosnia when it 'went south', some of my images were used in Time.

I now make more from stock in a month then most people make in a year.

Believe what you want but I speak from a LOT of experience. Gear is such a small part of it...

Photography just like any art form is subject to opinion. It's open to interpretation and there's no right/wrong answer - just a matter of preference. Like they say beauty is in the eye of the beholder so it's not a matter of proving yourself or a competition.

BTW, can you post of someone of your published work using the 1050SW

[warpdrive]

Tell that to the art director at Canadian Geographic. I had a photo taken with my 1050SW in the April 2009 edition. (It was part of an assignment I did for them...). The camera plays such a small role in photography, maybe someday people will realize this. ;)

That's all I have to say about this. Just get a camera you are comfortable with and USE it.

Cheers.

So what? When I buy a camera, I have to choose one that is pleasant to use, has the features I want, and takes good pictures. So the Olympus can take good pictures, but given that for the same money, one can buy a camera that is faster, has better optics, handles better, has better feature set, better controls than the Olympus, wouldn't you choose that one as well?

It's stupid to pull the "it's the photographer, not the camera" card in a thread asking for advice comparing cameras. That implies that camera choice never matters, but even the best pros will say that at some point, camera selection does matter because it reduces the chance that the camera will get in the way. This is not a case of "the Olympus"is basically as good as everything else", it's a case of "the Olympus is noticeably inferior to the other models from Panasonic and Canon" in many areas.

I returned the Olympus because:

1) the slide cover mechanism was annoying. if the camera was just recently dunked into the water, whenever you turned it on, it would deposit a new drop of water back onto the front of the lens meaning I was constantly wiping it after coming out of the water. The only way to get out the remaining water behind the lens cover so that this didn't happen is to get a can of compressed air, blast the area behind the lens cover to really clear it out after coming out the water.
2) the recycle time was very slow compared my half as costly Sony P&S.
3) I started noticing small droplets of water behind the battery cover, so that doesn't inspire me to go into the water for very long.
4) I was looking for a camera that has at least HD video quality, something the competition has.

[warpdrive]

Actually I did look at dpreview but let me explain my situation a bit.

This camera would be my secondary/backup camera. My primary is my DSLR but sometimes it's not feasible/wise/convenient to take out the SLR. For example, I travel a lot and while most times I face minimal security risk, sometimes it's not that great of an idea. Also the places I travel to are sometimes wet/humid like the jungle (which is my main reason for getting a waterproof camera). However, the times I would use for it under water or water proof purpose is pretty small. The other times I would use it is when I don't want to lug around my SLR like at a party or something.

So on one hand, I don't want to spend too much money on a backup camera that I won't be using that often but then again, I don't want to get a really crappy one that does a half-ass job. So I was considering trying out the Olympus one, it can't be that bad, can it?

The Olympus will be ok, and it will satisfy your criteria fine. I bought it for the exact same reason when I don't want my full size SLR with me, but given that the Panasonic has been as low as $335 recently, I'd spend the extra money and get the Panasonic. The shot to shot times of the Olympus are terrible though, 4 seconds is a long time to wait between shots, and its shutter lag is no better than my 10 year old camera, so if you are only taking scenics in reasonable light, the Olympus will still get that critical shot

[oceania]

The Olympus will be ok, and it will satisfy your criteria fine. I bought it for the exact same reason when I don't want my full size SLR with me, but given that the Panasonic has been as low as $335 recently, I'd spend the extra money and get the Panasonic. The shot to shot times of the Olympus are terrible though, 4 seconds is a long time to wait between shots, and its shutter lag is no better than my 10 year old camera. I missed a lot of good whale shots while waiting for the camera to recycle.

Where did you see the Panasonic for $335? With a corporate discount, I'm getting it for $405, excluding taxes, that's pretty pricey for an occasional camera.

My last P&S had a lag time of greater than 4 seconds, I can live with that. It's funny though, how high our (society's) expectations have become unmanageable and even unreasonable where any lag time or inconvenience is unacceptable and unforgiveable....ok off my soap box I go.

[warpdrive]

My last P&S had a lag time of greater than 4 seconds, I can live with that. It's funny though, how high our (society's) expectations have become unmanageable and even unreasonable where any lag time or inconvenience is unacceptable and unforgiveable....ok off my soap box I go.

It's twice the lag time of my last camera. Technology in cameras is supposed to advance, and in this case the Olympus was a step backwards for me. I already said the camera would be ok for you....but considering that I was using it to snap fish swimming by, lag time is an important performance spec and one that the competition beats the Olympus in, sometimes by a large margin. If you can live that....fine, but saying that it is reasonable for everybody to feel the same would be plain arrogant. [/Off my soapbox]

http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/hot-i-just-offer-sig-panasonic-ts1-underwater-camera-335-they-accepted-805627/
I was able to get the $335 price as well.

I wouldn't have even bought the Olympus if I had read the reviews beforehand. I was strapped for a camera since my last P&S got waterlogged in the rainstorm, and I bought the first thing I could find. I came to the conclusion it was mediocre just using my previous P&S as a baseline.

Here's a shot of the only turtle that I saw that was only on the surface for 15 seconds. I was only able to get one shot off
http://img30.imageshack.us/img30/1600/p6010198.th.jpg (http://img30.imageshack.us/i/p6010198.jpg/)