1Dmk4 RELEASED!

[ryan_lau100]

http://www.usa.canon.com/consumer/controller?act=ModelInfoAct&fcategoryid=139&modelid=19584

Straight from Canon usa

[CSAgent]

oh my gah!:cheesygri

[phuviano]

Canon's doing something right now. 5d2, 7d, and now the 1d4.

[kay188]

Anybody jizzing in their pants yet? ;)

[soupnazi]

Vincent Laforet's first 1Dmk4 mini movie
http://vincentlaforet.smugmug.com/Laforet-Videos/Nocturne-Canon-1DMKIV-Video

Canon's sample video
http://web.canon.jp/imaging/eosd/samples/eos1dm4/player_bluemoon/movie.html?high

[kay188]

Haha, the posts are all over POTN.

[skyblue12]

what is the point of having 1.6, and 1.3 crop?

[manixc]

i am surprised that they go with the number 4


probably a stupid question, but why use a 1.3 crop sensor in this body?
i think the 1d body can accommodate a full frame sensor

[Lulz]

1.3x crop is probably needed for sports photographers for extra reach.

1D series always had APC-H (or whatever it's called). If I am not mistaken, it's 1Ds that were full frame.
Although I'd rather they drop 1.3x crop...and just have 2 formats. 1.6x crop and full frame.

[KorruptioN]

i am surprised that they go with the number 4

I'm surprised as well. The number 4 in Japan is generally avoided.

[lz7j]

Thank you Canon for saving my bank account from a lot of hurt! :cheesygri

I would have been tempted to upgrade if this camera was FF.
Nonetheless, I can't wait to see high ISO files.

If ISO6400 matches the ISO1600 from a 5d2/1ds3, I might have to reconsider this! :twisted:

[AudiDude]

Canon's doing something right now. 5d2, 7d, and now the 1d4.

I almost agree. The 5D2 has a good sensor, but the rest of the camera is not quite at the same level. Once I saw the options for the AF and the 19 crosshair focus points with dual processors in my 7D, I knew the gloves were off. I'm not sure if anybody noticed, but Canon will be releasing a firmware update to add video recording at 25/26 fps.
I expect the 1DsMk4 to hit hard as well, it will be interesting to see how long before we see a 5D sensor with a 7Ds brains, speed, focussing capabilities and weather proofing.
For now it looks like the xxD series has been left out to dry. I thank Nikon for the kick in the ass.

[pmc]

they had too, too many losss by converts to D3s

[gotak]

I'm surprised as well. The number 4 in Japan is generally avoided.

Maybe they are thinking "die die die nikon" LOL.

Ahh time to see if I can win the lottery! The 1Ds is most likely just around the corner.

[CSAgent]

i am surprised that they go with the number 4


probably a stupid question, but why use a 1.3 crop sensor in this body?
i think the 1d body can accommodate a full frame sensor

That's what the 1Ds is for. 1D has always had a 1.3x sensor.

[ryan_lau100]

lookin goodddd

i thank nikon as well.

hurm so is this right when it comes to current competing bodies

canon XS = nikon D3000

canon XSi = nikon d5000

nikon D90 = ?

canon 50d = nikon d300

canon 7d = nikon d300s

canon 5dmk2 = nikon d700

canon 1d3 & 1d4 = nikon d3 & d3s

you can totally see how they compete on very different feature sets...

[joejoo]

Now let's see how long it takes before all of the pixel-peeping losers start finding every little problem with it...

Personally, I am disappointed in the Leica S2 delay. I sold my 1972 Dodge Challenger to help fund it... >:(

[CSAgent]

lookin goodddd

i thank nikon as well.

hurm so is this right when it comes to current competing bodies

canon XS = nikon D3000

canon XSi = nikon d5000

nikon D90 = ?

canon 50d = nikon d300

canon 7d > nikon d300s

canon 5dmk2 > nikon d700

canon 1d3 & 1d4 = nikon d3 & d3s

you can totally see how they compete on very different feature sets...

Fixed. :D ;)

(Although to be fair, 1D3 is 1.3x whereas the D3 is FF.)

[rayt-]

lookin goodddd

i thank nikon as well.

hurm so is this right when it comes to current competing bodies

canon XS = nikon D3000

canon XSi = nikon d5000

nikon D90 = ?

canon 50d = nikon d300

canon 7d = nikon d300s

canon 5dmk2 = nikon d700

canon 1d3 & 1d4 = nikon d3 & d3s

you can totally see how they compete on very different feature sets...

I guess that leaves the D90 with T1i then. :P

[ryan_lau100]

I guess that leaves the D90 with T1i then. :P

bleh
i guess i was looking wrong
forgot t1i took over the xsi no?

so replace xsi with t1i and still no response to d90?

[sfu_engineer]

lookin goodddd

i thank nikon as well.

hurm so is this right when it comes to current competing bodies

canon XS = nikon D3000

canon XSi = nikon d5000

nikon D90 = ?

canon 50d = nikon d300

canon 7d = nikon d300s

canon 5dmk2 = nikon d700

canon 1d3 & 1d4 = nikon d3 & d3s

you can totally see how they compete on very different feature sets...

It's not 100% fair to compare the two companies based on camera bodies alone. They have vastly different lens specializations as well.

[rayt-]

bleh
i guess i was looking wrong
forgot t1i took over the xsi no?

so replace xsi with t1i and still no response to d90?

Yeah I think T1i and D5000 is a little more fair compared to XSi, since they both do video.

[frogger]

I didn't think the D300 was still widely available new retail

[Xeros]

1.3x crop is probably needed for sports photographers for extra reach.

I never did understand that statement "extra reach".

Having a crop body doesn't allow you to see further physically.

[kennyluo]

I never did understand that statement "extra reach".

Having a crop body doesn't allow you to see further physically.

maybe he is referring to the pixel density of 1d4 > d3s?

[vincent-poon]

the huge body makes the 3" screen look small, haha

[CSAgent]

I never did understand that statement "extra reach".

Having a crop body doesn't allow you to see further physically.

Multiply focal lengths by 1.3x

70-200mm times 1.3 = 91mm-260mm

[ryan_lau100]

Multiply focal lengths by 1.3x

70-200mm times 1.3 = 91mm-260mm

OT but i think you should gun for a 1d3 instead of the 5d2

[skyblue12]

it's extra reach in the sense that the APS sensor has more pixels to work with later in PP or cropping. Well that's my take on it at least. There is no real physical reach.

[CSAgent]

it's extra reach in the sense that the APS sensor has more pixels to work with later in PP or cropping. Well that's my take on it at least. There is no real physical reach.

The focal length multiplier relates the focal length of a lens used on a smaller format to a 35 mm lens producing an equivalent angle of view, and is equal to the crop factor. This means that a 50 mm lens used on a sensor with a 1.6X crop factor would produce the same field of view as a 1.6 x 50 = 80 mm lens on a 35 mm full frame sensor.

Here is a thorough explanation for those who don't understand completely by crop factor.

http://www.cambridgeincolour.com/tutorials/digital-camera-sensor-size.htm

Anyway, enough derailing this thread.

...

Glad Canon came up with a response to Nikon's D3s, it's about bloody time that Canon released more higher end bodies for the upper market and not a series of Rebel this and that every year!

[KorruptioN]

Glad Canon came up with a response to Nikon's D3s, it's about bloody time that Canon released more higher end bodies for the upper market and not a series of Rebel this and that every year!

I mostly agree. It's exciting to see what's going on at the high-end of the market, but the low-end consumer stuff is what makes Canon money. Marketshare, too. Too bad the Rebels are so bad :twisted:

[lz7j]

ps. if anyone wants a mint 1D3, pm me! ;)

[bpopd]

Maybe I'm crazy, but I find that 1D4 to be very sexy.

39 cross sensors...lets hope they all work.

[xtracrispy123]

Maybe the 1.3x crop factor's there to crop out any light fall-off or vignetting in the corners...

Makes the reach further, but also zeros in on the lens' sweet spot

[v_tofu]

Question for you Canon users: I'm guessing you guys can use your regular lenses (i.e) full frame lenses on the crop bodies, but does Canon make BOTH 1.3 and 1.6 cropped lenses? e.g Nikon has FX and DX lenses, does Canon have FX and DX equivalent, as well as the 1.3 cropped lense?

I'm gonna guess no.. but wasn't sure.

[Borbor]

Question for you Canon users: I'm guessing you guys can use your regular lenses (i.e) full frame lenses on the crop bodies, but does Canon make BOTH 1.3 and 1.6 cropped lenses? e.g Nikon has FX and DX lenses, does Canon have FX and DX equivalent, as well as the 1.3 cropped lense?

I'm gonna guess no.. but wasn't sure.

No EFS mount on 1 series. Only EF mounts.

[Lulz]

Question for you Canon users: I'm guessing you guys can use your regular lenses (i.e) full frame lenses on the crop bodies, but does Canon make BOTH 1.3 and 1.6 cropped lenses? e.g Nikon has FX and DX lenses, does Canon have FX and DX equivalent, as well as the 1.3 cropped lense?

I'm gonna guess no.. but wasn't sure.

EF-S only work on (from most advanced to least advanced):

a)7D, 50D, 40D, 30D, 20D, 20Da, 10D, D60 (not relates to Nikon), D30
b)T1i, XSi, XS, XTi, XT, Rebel

EF work on all full frames (5D, 5DII, 1Ds, 1DsII, 1DsIII), all 1.3x crops (1D, 1DII, 1DIIn, 1DIII, 1DIV) and all of the above 1.6x crop cameras

[CSAgent]

Maybe the 1.3x crop factor's there to crop out any light fall-off or vignetting in the corners...

Makes the reach further, but also zeros in on the lens' sweet spot

No. -_-

Read my post in page 2.

[ryan_lau100]

No. -_-

Read my post in page 2.

some truth to it. when i switched to FF all of the flaws in the lens starts to show. my 24-70 in the corners get a lot worse than my crop body.

but you are right in that the 1.3 wasnt designed for that purpose.

but all i know is distortion and the way a photo looks at certain focal lengths totally changes when you switch from FF to crops.

ie. a 50mm will keep characteristics of a 50 on the FF but will not look like a true 80 odd mm lense on a crop. compression changes...

[sabesh]

<snip> Too bad the Rebels are so bad :twisted:
Oh? So, which in your esteemed opinion is a better alternative? :)

[cy]

Oh? So, which in your esteemed opinion is a better alternative? :)

In his book: Anything Canon is gear head. Anything non-Canon is a good alternative.

I am not sure whether he's had an Rebel blew up between his leg before, or whether the jealousy side of him is speaking....but I feel that this guy has something against the people that are using Canon and higher end gears. In my opinion, I haven't been convinced that this guy even know what he's talking about in photography to critize about Canon all the time. He always just do a 1 liner like " Too bad the Rebels are so bad" without justifying it. I feel bad for you..

It's always entertaining to see this guy bashing Canon :lol: (Let's see what he comes up with now)

[sfu_engineer]

Canon sucks! :cheesygri This from a Canon user.

Nikon seriously has some awesome affordable (relatively) camera bodies if: 1) You don't 20+ megapixels, 2) Video

[CSAgent]

Canon sucks! :cheesygri This from a Canon user.

Nikon seriously has some awesome affordable (relatively) camera bodies if: 1) You don't 20+ megapixels, 2) Video

Only thing really stopping me from going over to Nikon is the higher price on their lens. :(

[legendofxix]

Interesting offering they have.
Still want to see it compared to the D3s.

[cy]

Only thing really stopping me from going over to Nikon is the higher price on their lens. :(

And the selection of their lenses ;) Especially if you are a prime lover like myself!

[StE823]

EF-S only work on (from most advanced to least advanced):

a)7D, 50D, 40D, 30D, 20D, 20Da, 10D, D60 (not relates to Nikon), D30
b)T1i, XSi, XS, XTi, XT, Rebel

EF work on all full frames (5D, 5DII, 1Ds, 1DsII, 1DsIII), all 1.3x crops (1D, 1DII, 1DIIn, 1DIII, 1DIV) and all of the above 1.6x crop cameras

not really important info, but 10D, D60, D30 only take EF lenses

[StE823]

Canon sucks! :cheesygri This from a Canon user.

Nikon seriously has some awesome affordable (relatively) camera bodies if: 1) You don't 20+ megapixels, 2) Video

no likey canon prime lenses? the red ring prime lenses make us proud lol

[cy]

no likey canon prime lenses? the red ring prime lenses make us proud lol

I am just waiting for KorruptioN to call you a "gear head"! :lol:

BTW, I admire all the car shots that you've done. They are just stunning!

[KorruptioN]

Oh? So, which in your esteemed opinion is a better alternative? :)

In his book: Anything Canon is gear head. Anything non-Canon is a good alternative.

I am not sure whether he's had an Rebel blew up between his leg before, or whether the jealousy side of him is speaking....but I feel that this guy has something against the people that are using Canon and higher end gears. In my opinion, I haven't been convinced that this guy even know what he's talking about in photography to critize about Canon all the time. He always just do a 1 liner like " Too bad the Rebels are so bad" without justifying it. I feel bad for you..

It's always entertaining to see this guy bashing Canon :lol: (Let's see what he comes up with now)

I am just waiting for KorruptioN to call you a "gear head"! :lol:

Nice mud-slinging, dude. Where'd you come from? Instead of singling me out, there are some other folks who really, really, hate Canon for their own reasons.

Anyways, I don't think you're understanding me. When have I directly suggested that "anything Canon is gear-head"? I'm not a big fan of Canon because of how they do their hardware. The Rebels (aside from the XSi which I think is pretty well-rounded) are too under-specified for what they are (no spot meter [important in digital photography], half-assed "1080p" video at 20fps, burying their live-view deep within menus [this has gotten better recently], the list goes on), and the ergonomics often make for a painful experience. Very poor grip (the other players show it's possible to do a compact body with reasonable ergonomics), interesting button placements (for me, at least), and they don't make the cheapest solutions out there.

Even the midrange bodies (like the 50D), they just don't feel right to me. Having to press ISO, release the button, and then figure out whether to turn the big wheel on the back or the upper control dial as Canon puts two functions onto one small button. And then how about selecting AF points? You have to press a button, release it, and then (from what I remember) turn the big wheel and scroll through all the points to select what you want. I don't think it's intuitive. They do feel much better to use, though.

What I'm trying to say is: there are perfectly valid reasons for why I feel the way I do, and also that I like the way Nikon does their thing. I think they put more thought into designing their bodies for photographers. Press and hold a button, and turn a control dial to adjust your setting, and release the button. I think stuff like this makes more sense. To be fair, their consumer bodies are too neutered (no AF motor, limited AF, odd implemention of the D5000 screen, etc) and don't get my recommendations for other reasons. They're not 100% for me, either.

Don't assume that I only have stubborn criticisms only for particular systems...or Canon as you are suggesting. I have to give Canon lots of credit for doing video the way they have (at least at the high-end), and the same for Nikon for really revolutionizing the high-end with the D3 (for example).

Is this enough justification? Do feel free to shoot more questions at me, because I really don't mind continuing.

As for a real alternative: Sony's A500 is $900 for a complete kit. Standard zoom, built-in image stabilization, low-noise CMOS sensor, full AF and compatibility, much-improved viewfinder, good ergonomics, lots of accessories, and then there's the Sony live-view that consumers seem to love so much.

[ryan_lau100]

As for a real alternative: Sony's A500 is $900 for a complete kit. Standard zoom, built-in image stabilization, low-noise CMOS sensor, full AF and compatibility, much-improved viewfinder, good ergonomics, lots of accessories, and then there's the Sony live-view that consumers seem to love so much.

:lol: I was waiting for you to drop the brand lol


At the end of the day different strokes for different folks.

[KorruptioN]

:lol: I was waiting for you to drop the brand lol

:twisted:

Well it is about the same price as the XSi and offers more for the money, I think!

[ryan_lau100]

:twisted:

Well it is about the same price as the XSi and offers more for the money, I think!

that is the issue with choosing a system. glass, flash, bodies, etc all differ among manufacturers. where one excels the other doesnt. its up the the user to decide what is most important to them. me, i like primes hence canon. cant stand their bodies but what can you do?

when it comes to bodies its all about the feel and everyone will feel one type is better than the other. give me a canon and i can quickly access anything but give me a nikon and i just get confused lol. vise versa goes for other users trying to adapt to a canon body.

[CSAgent]

give me a canon and i can quickly access anything but give me a nikon and i just get confused lol. vise versa goes for other users trying to adapt to a canon body.

Never give me a Nikon body - I messed up my friend's D3 settings so bad he didn't even know what I pressed! :lol: Nikon has oh so many more settings than we do. I think we're so spoiled on the Canon side, our menus are shorter and to the point - I think our fonts are bigger too?

[KorruptioN]

when it comes to bodies its all about the feel and everyone will feel one type is better than the other. give me a canon and i can quickly access anything but give me a nikon and i just get confused lol. vise versa goes for other users trying to adapt to a canon body.

Yeah, I'm completely opposite from you :lol:

[bpopd]

never give me a nikon body - i messed up my friend's d3 settings so bad he didn't even know what i pressed! :lol: Nikon has oh so many more settings than we do. I think we're so spoiled on the canon side, our menus are shorter and to the point - i think our fonts are bigger too?

+1

[sabesh]

<snip> The Rebels (aside from the XSi which I think is pretty well-rounded) are too under-specified for what they are (no spot meter , half-assed "1080p" video at 20fps, burying their live-view deep within menus [this has gotten better recently], the list goes on), and the ergonomics often make for a painful experience.

- T1i has spot.

- Ummm .. press the print button to launch video & live view!

- *Cough cough* .. At least the T1i has video! Where is it on the a500?

- Ergonomics?! Ah, the gray area justification when facts can't be presented .. Different strokes for different folks!


Very poor grip (the other players show it's possible to do a compact body with reasonable ergonomics), interesting button placements (for me, at least), and they don't make the cheapest solutions out there.
Umm .. once again, see above comment regarding "ergonomics".


Even the midrange bodies (like the 50D), they just don't feel right to me. Having to press ISO, release the button, and then figure out whether to turn the big wheel on the back or the upper control dial as Canon puts two functions onto one small button. And then how about selecting AF points? You have to press a button, release it, and then (from what I remember) turn the big wheel and scroll through all the points to select what you want. I don't think it's intuitive. They do feel much better to use, though.

Take some time to learn it! On the flip side,I had a hard time with the Sony a700's controls.



What I'm trying to say is: there are perfectly valid reasons for why I feel the way I do <snip>
You do?


Don't assume that I only have stubborn criticisms only for particular systems... <snip>
So, what don't you like about Sony?


Is this enough justification? Do feel free to shoot more questions at me, because I really don't mind continuing.
Have fun! I don't really take your "this camera is better than the other camera" comments all that seriously :)


As for a real alternative: Sony's A500 is $900 for a complete kit. Standard zoom, built-in image stabilization, low-noise CMOS sensor, full AF and compatibility, much-improved viewfinder, good ergonomics, lots of accessories, and then there's the Sony live-view that consumers seem to love so much.
Last I checked, the T1i has these features too (except for the better live view feature of Sony; However, the T1i has video).

Umm .. as for noise, can you provide us with side by side comparisons of noise taken at high ISO from both cameras under a controlled situation by a reputed reviewer? I don't have much hope for the a500, going by what I've seen of the a900 > ISO 400. BTW, lens based optical IS is more effective than sensor-shift stabilization: This is a FACT: Google is your friend in case you don't have direct experience with it. Cheers.


:twisted:

Well it [i]is about the same price as the XSi and offers more for the money, I think!
Nah, T1i kit vs a500 kit is more similar in price:

http://www.henrys.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ItemsDisplay?storeId=10001&catalogId=10001&departmentId=10404&categoryId=10429&itemID=258003

http://www.henrys.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ItemsDisplay?storeId=10001&catalogId=10001&departmentId=10404&categoryId=10429&itemID=265801

The T1i offers video + better IS. Cheers.



<snip>
I am not sure whether he's had an Rebel blew up between his leg before <snip>
LOL, too funny ;)


It's always entertaining to see this guy bashing Canon :lol: (Let's see what he comes up with now)
Sure is .. I've been noticing this bias for a while now, lol.

[cy]

.....
Take some time to learn it! On the flip side,I had a hard time with the Sony a700's controls.
......

So, what don't you like about Sony?


Nothing, because he shoots with one:
http://www.thequietrevolution.ca/quiet/images/camera/DSC01403.JPG


Last I checked, the T1i has these features too (except for the better live view feature of Sony; However, the T1i has video).


You don't need video in a CAMERA, you gear head. ;)

[sabesh]

Nothing, because he shoots with one:

Ha ha .. It's the same camera who's ergos threw me off, lol.



You don't need video in a CAMERA, you gear head. ;)
Heh heh .. Yes, I do believe that he's called me something of the sort before ;) BTW, aren't we all gear-heads to be discussing this shiite during dinner time? :)

[cy]

Ha ha .. It's the same camera who's ergos threw me off, lol.


Camera, or the person? LOL


Heh heh .. Yes, I do believe that he's called me something of the sort before ;) BTW, aren't we all gear-heads to be discussing this shiite during dinner time? :)

I can't afford to eat dinner anymore because I didn't buy a Sony..opps, I mean, because I bought a Canon.

Just to be back on topic, I really think they should have called this as a 1D Mark IIIn instead as the upgrade is not substantial enough. Although, the 102400ISO seems really attractive! That's another 2 stop over my 5D2!

[sabesh]

<snip>
Just to be back on topic, I really think they should have called this as a 1D Mark IIIn instead as the upgrade is not substantial enough. Although, the 102400ISO seems really attractive! That's another 2 stop over my 5D2!
Yep, I think Nikon D3s and Canon 1D-IV have plateaued out for the time being. Despite our good friend's bias, it will be great if Sony cleaned up their ISO issues and came out with a similar offering: Competition is good to spur better features for us end users :)

[KorruptioN]

At the end of the day different strokes for different folks.

Pretty much... I do admit sometimes I get carried away but who doesn't when it comes to something they're passionate in?

What can I say, call me a weirdo for preferring something else because it works better for me, and being able to stand up for it (in other words we all want to justify ones own purchases to a point).

I don't think there's a point de-railing the thread further because some choose to stoop down to a personal level... after all, I was just talking about cameras (even with a :twisted: emoticon at the end after the Rebel thing!). Not really cool to even post up my picture here, either. I'm flattered that people are noticing what I'm saying, though! Calling me biased in this subforum doesn't really mean a whole lot... nearly everybody is biased, including yourselves, to a different degree of course. I'm glad you guys can take comments like these way out of context. (/sarcasm if you need the indication)

[Borbor]

Never give me a Nikon body - I messed up my friend's D3 settings so bad he didn't even know what I pressed! :lol: Nikon has oh so many more settings than we do. I think we're so spoiled on the Canon side, our menus are shorter and to the point - I think our fonts are bigger too?

Sorry Matt, beg to differ.

Took me no time flat to get used to the Nikons when I switched earlier.

The only thing that took me a while to get used to is which way to turn the lens when I un-mount it. Funnily enough, mounting it was no hassle :confused:

Went back to my friend's 40D and it wasn't too bad either.

[Winkle]

Sorry Matt, beg to differ.

Took me no time flat to get used to the Nikons when I switched earlier.

The only thing that took me a while to get used to is which way to turn the lens when I un-mount it. Funnily enough, mounting it was no hassle :confused:

Went back to my friend's 40D and it wasn't too bad either.

I don't like how Nikon buries so many of their settings under the Custom menu... they have a Play Back and Shooting settings menu but a lot of the settings that should be located in either are located in the Custom menu... which makes it harder to find and more time-consuming and tedious. It was a bit maddening when I moved to a D300s from my D60 and I ended up spending nearly two hours sitting on my couch going through the entire custom menu with the manual trying to figure everything out.

Also, I don't know how it is for Canon but Nikon's interface and control ergonomics differ pretty vastly between consumer, prosumer and pro bodies. I was not able to transit from a D60 to a D300s as smoothly as I had anticipated and when I was playing with the D3s at the photo show last week I was very confused on how to change basic settings like ISO and so forth.

Edit: To be clear, I am not blasting Nikon's interface and control ergonomics which I find to be excellent, I'm blasting Nikon that they don't design them to be as consistent between different levels of bodies as I would've thought/hoped.

[bpopd]

I don't like how Nikon buries so many of their settings under the Custom menu... they have a Play Back and Shooting settings menu but a lot of the settings that should be located in either are located in the Custom menu... which makes it harder to find and more time-consuming and tedious. It was a bit maddening when I moved to a D300s from my D60 and I ended up spending nearly two hours sitting on my couch going through the entire custom menu with the manual trying to figure everything out.

Also, I don't know how it is for Canon but Nikon's interface and control ergonomics differ pretty vastly between consumer, prosumer and pro bodies. I was not able to transit from a D60 to a D300s as smoothly as I had anticipated and when I was playing with the D3s at the photo show last week I was very confused on how to change basic settings like ISO and so forth.

Edit: To be clear, I am not blasting Nikon's interface and control ergonomics which I find to be excellent, I'm blasting Nikon that they don't design them to be as consistent between different levels of bodies as I would've thought/hoped.

You want a D3x menu system to be designed similarly to a D60. Fascinating.
$10,000 machine vs $300 machine. Fascinating.

[lz7j]

You want a D3x menu system to be designed similarly to a D60. Fascinating.
$10,000 machine vs $300 machine. Fascinating.

Canon did it with the 40D->50D->5D mk2->1D3>1Ds3 bodies.
Why can't Nikon?

Then again, Canon > Nikon :cheesygri

[bpopd]

Canon did it with the 40D->50D->5D mk2->1D3>1Ds3 bodies.
Why can't Nikon?

Then again, Canon > Nikon :cheesygri

Dude don't open up a huge can of worms! Fanboys will fly in!!!!
But yeah, you failed to mention the oh so sexy avril lavigne Rebel XSI or whatever the lowest teir is that compares with the lowest tier D60.

[zero_2003]

Comparing Canon and Nikon is like comparing Honda and Toyota.

[sfu_engineer]

http://www.widgetbuckseo.com/images/2008/10/avril-lavigne-canon.jpg

[CSAgent]

http://www.widgetbuckseo.com/images/2008/10/avril-lavigne-canon.jpg

why god why??? :|;)

[frogger]

So Canon is advertising to attract immature white trash with money?

[sabesh]

So Canon is advertising to attract immature white trash with money?

As opposed to ........ ? :D

http://contexts.org/socimages/files/2009/05/1.jpg

[CSAgent]

So Canon is advertising to attract immature white trash with money?

Avril was heavily featured as their spokesperson a year and a half ago, now not so much. They banked on her "rebellious" image with their Rebel line..get the relation?

I don't know if it translated into more profits in the Rebel line up though.

[sabesh]

1DIV ISO 6400 looks great!

http://www.flickr.com/photos/slvrscoobie/4039034032/in/set-72157622649772276/

-- Sabesh.



<snip> They banked on her "rebellious" image with their Rebel line..get the relation? <snip>

Yup, started with Andre Agassi when had long blond mane, lol.

[frogger]

As opposed to ........ ? :D

http://contexts.org/socimages/files/2009/05/1.jpg

Well there is a chance that woman doesn't sound like a 13 year old when she talks. :-)

[Winkle]

You want a D3x menu system to be designed similarly to a D60. Fascinating.
$10,000 machine vs $300 machine. Fascinating.

I don't see why its so fascinating? Obviously a D3 has many more features and functions and different levels of customization compared to a D3000 for sure but that doesn't mean they can't follow a similar interface logic. I mean, why would they put a feature in the shooting menu of a D3000 but bury it deep in the custom menu on a D3?

[bpopd]

I don't see why its so fascinating? Obviously a D3 has many more features and functions and different levels of customization compared to a D3000 for sure but that doesn't mean they can't follow a similar interface logic. I mean, why would they put a feature in the shooting menu of a D3000 but bury it deep in the custom menu on a D3?

nevermind.

[lz7j]

As great as the 1D mk4 looks on paper (and image samples) so far, I'd buy the D3s first. It's really a shame about the 1d4 being a cropper.

I've really come to grow and like the Nikon system. And after February, I'll have no reason to stay with the Canon system.
Nikon's counter-offense had me in awe when I had to chance to play with it a couple of weddings back.

http://www.nikkophotography.com/50L/temp1.jpg

[sfu_engineer]

As great as the 1D mk4 looks on paper (and image samples) so far, I'd buy the D3s first. It's really a shame about the 1d4 being a cropper.

I've really come to grow and like the Nikon system. And after February, I'll have no reason to stay with the Canon system.
Nikon's counter-offense had me in awe when I had to chance to play with it a couple of weddings back.

http://www.nikkophotography.com/50L/temp1.jpg

But that's Canon's strategy though. 1D for sports (faster FPS, more reach) vs 1Ds (resolution over speed). I enjoyed using the 1D's 1.3x crop but like full frame even better for what I need. At the end of the day 1.3x vs full frame or even Canon vs Nikon the cameras are just tools for us to do our job. ;)

[cy]

So Canon is advertising to attract immature white trash with money?

Well there is a chance that woman doesn't sound like a 13 year old when she talks. :-)

That doesn't give you a reason to call anyone a "white trash", does it?

Isn't that's a "white" person in Nikon's ad too, what makes her not "trash"?

Who's immature? :confused:

1DIV ISO 6400 looks great!

http://www.flickr.com/photos/slvrscoobie/4039034032/in/set-72157622649772276/

-- Sabesh.



Yup, take a look at this video taken by one of the early beta tester: http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2009/10/canon-eos-1d-mark-4-night-vision-1080p-video/

[CSAgent]

Yup, take a look at this video taken by one of the early beta tester: http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2009/10/canon-eos-1d-mark-4-night-vision-1080p-video/

Excuse me while I go change my pants... That was amazing!! ISO 6400 only too! I can't wait for the firmware update to the 5D2 that will let us shoot vids in 24fps and 25fps with the current manual exposure.

[lz7j]

But that's Canon's strategy though. 1D for sports (faster FPS, more reach) vs 1Ds (resolution over speed). I enjoyed using the 1D's 1.3x crop but like full frame even better for what I need. At the end of the day 1.3x vs full frame or even Canon vs Nikon the cameras are just tools for us to do our job. ;)

Yes, they're just that, tools. Depending on the tool, it can make things a bit more efficient and reliable. I really think that you'd like the nef files sooc over the raw files from the Canon. Less PP!

The 1D4 would have been a much better (for me) camera if it had 18mp FF and a 10-12mp 1.3x mode for the sport shooters!

[sabesh]

<snip>

Yup, take a look at this video taken by one of the early beta tester: http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2009/10/canon-eos-1d-mark-4-night-vision-1080p-video/

That's pretty impressive, any which way you slice it!