Arcteryx Factory Sale (Vancouver Only)

[Gamblor]

So I stumbled onto a factory sale for Arcteryx, it has thier North Shore factory store clothing up to 90% off.

Link: http://www.outdoorvancouver.ca/2009/10/october-09-arcteryx-factory-store-sale/

Public Sale:
Fri Oct 16th 10am – 7pm
Sat Oct 17th 10am – 5pm
Sun Oct 18th 10am – 5pm

By Saturday and Sunday selection will be limited. Go early to get the best stuff.

[ziggazig]

ah... i wish i was still living in Vancouver. i'm in need of a new shell.

[feelthedeal]

ah... I wish i was still living in vancouver. I'm in need of a new shell.

+1

[Inno]

Is there a GTA equivalent to this?

[dekay]

the site also states than you can "shop early" on thursday but doesn't provide much more information. do they require an entrance fee or invite?

[scv]

Thanks OP. I've been needing a new shell for awhile now.

[Haz]

Damn it. Won't be able to make it this weekend. Hope they'll have another one before Christmas but not likely. :(

[gheart008]

By Saturday and Sunday selection will be limited. Go early to get the best stuff.

True, but shopping early also means you pay the premium price. For these types of sales, the prices are slashed each day to clear out as much as possible. On the first day, the selection is the best, but the prices are also the highest.

[Ahzuz]

Arceteryx is a very nice brand, i wish we had that kind of sale here.

[Gamblor]

gheart008,

Thanks for letting me know, I didn't know thats how it worked. I assumed all the sale prices would be the same from begining to end, but the selection would decrease.

I'm also not to sure about whether the thursday sale is public or invite only.

[miss_swan]

Hmmnnn ... might have to check this out this year. Anyone have comments on the quality of their warehouse sales from previous years?

[SPARTACVS]

Hmmnnn ... might have to check this out this year. Anyone have comments on the quality of their warehouse sales from previous years?

I suspect it will be decent. For Arcteryx, like many other outdoor companies, the 2010 year is one of updating products. Expect many changes and new things next year. As an example, Petzl it updating the whole Tikka headlamps line.

[syee99]

I went to their sale last year. The sale area was basically a section inside their office/warehouse and a fairly large tent outside. They have a pretty decent selection and it's not just odds and ends. (although there were a few wacky colored items there)

If you've never bought Arcteryx gear before, even at factory prices, you may get a bit of sticker shock. However, it is some quality gear.

[SecretAgent]

Checking this out - I need a new winter ski jacket. Thanks for posting!!

[jh1]

The example sale items look shockingly expensive. Looks like outrageously expensive regular prices knocked down to just expensive. I'd rather shop MEC even at regular prices and not feel like a schmuck buying into a 'fake' sale.

[TapemanPL]

The example sale items look shockingly expensive. Looks like outrageously expensive regular prices knocked down to just expensive. I'd rather shop MEC even at regular prices and not feel like a schmuck buying into a 'fake' sale.

no...prices are proper. my shell cost around 400 but it feels like a 400 dollar shell. not gonna hate on mec their stuff is worth the money too. but if someone has the money why not

[ct809]

so, as a regular person I guess I will have to go to the "public" sale?

How does one be allowed to go there during the "shop early" dates??

[SPARTACVS]

no...prices are proper. my shell cost around 400 but it feels like a 400 dollar shell. not gonna hate on mec their stuff is worth the money too. but if someone has the money why not

+1

mec stuff can be good but they are worth what they are. Gore-tex is only the membrane. There is a lot of things that justify the price of a cloth (excluding marketing): material, quality of sewing, the cut, etc. If you put a coat, lift your arm and the sleeve is now up to half your arm, that is because of bad cut. Of course, peoples (me included) buy up to their budget and needs.

[Haz]

no...prices are proper. my shell cost around 400 but it feels like a 400 dollar shell. not gonna hate on mec their stuff is worth the money too. but if someone has the money why notYep. Certain brands are actually worth the money and Arcteryx is one of them.

[bkushner]

half price theta and sidewinders. no excuse to wear a crappy coat.

[sphish]

So... how does one go about getting in to "shop early" tomorrow?

[Art]

Ive been to their sale a few time now... I think 2 times... They have a store set up selling 2nds year round... been there during no sale 2 times. Out of the 4 times I've gone, I've bought nothing.

Their stuff is NICE... too nice... and I cant justify the cost for my usage.

[dhype55]

Just gonna show up before opening tomorrow.

You can get arcteryx stuff 50% off on sites like steapandcheap, they can't ship arcteryx into Canada but no biggie.

Hopefully some decent sizes in the sv stuff.

[smash]

* Up to 90% Off MSRP. Discontinued and factory seconds merchandise only. Selection and sizes are limited. All sales are final. No exchanges. No returns. No phone calls please.

[McPaul]

Darn. I just bought one of their jackets on the weekend for $550. immediately bit it on the ice and ruined it, of course.

[dhype55]

Darn. I just bought one of their jackets on the weekend for $550. immediately bit it on the ice and ruined it, of course.

Warranty it.

[ryanthekiwi]

Warranty it.

This is one of the biggest disadvantages of buying from the factory store. No warranties. If the previous poster purchased at retail he can easily warranty the jacket for repair.

[scv]

no...prices are proper. my shell cost around 400 but it feels like a 400 dollar shell. not gonna hate on mec their stuff is worth the money too. but if someone has the money why not

Yep, a lot of the 'higher end' stuff definitely good quality. I bought a Peak Performance jacket for around $350 on sale at least 10-12 years ago, and it's only starting to fall apart now. I'd rather buy a good jacket that lasts me this long, than buy something cheap that lasts for only a couple years.

Also, my sister has an Arcteryx backpack that she bought around 8-10 years ago, and it still looks new.

If you don't want to check this sale, wait until Boxing Day, when Coast Mountain Sports has their sale. The warranties for their sale are in effect as it's just a year end clearout.

[chris103610]

"WIN: Enter the in-store contest for
your chance to win any Arc’teryx
product of your choice.** "

that's pretty cool!

[jh1]

Yep, a lot of the 'higher end' stuff definitely good quality. I bought a Peak Performance jacket for around $350 on sale at least 10-12 years ago, and it's only starting to fall apart now. I'd rather buy a good jacket that lasts me this long, than buy something cheap that lasts for only a couple years.

Also, my sister has an Arcteryx backpack that she bought around 8-10 years ago, and it still looks new.

If you don't want to check this sale, wait until Boxing Day, when Coast Mountain Sports has their sale. The warranties for their sale are in effect as it's just a year end clearout.

You guys are really trying to justify overpaying for outerwear. I don't know if you abuse your clothing or what but you don't need to spend hundreds of dollars for long lasting clothing. Heck, I've got stuff 15-20 yrs old that I no longer wear only because it is out of style, not because it is worn out.

You make it sound as though it's only high end or Walmart and nothing in between.

[miss_swan]

You guys are really trying to justify overpaying for outerwear. I don't know if you abuse your clothing or what but you don't need to spend hundreds of dollars for long lasting clothing. Heck, I've got stuff 15-20 yrs old that I no longer wear only because it is out of style, not because it is worn out.

You make it sound as though it's only high end or Walmart and nothing in between.

There's personal opinion/preference when it comes to quality and how much one is willing to pay for it.

Just leave it at that ... no point espousing it.

[milhaus]

You guys are really trying to justify overpaying for outerwear. I don't know if you abuse your clothing or what but you don't need to spend hundreds of dollars for long lasting clothing. Heck, I've got stuff 15-20 yrs old that I no longer wear only because it is out of style, not because it is worn out.

You make it sound as though it's only high end or Walmart and nothing in between.
Wow, you just don't get it. If all you can see in terms of outdoors, technical clothing is how long it lasts, then you don't really understand the need for Arc'teryx clothing, or anything above, say, Misty Mountain "gear." It's about fit, breathability, waterproofness, and so many other things. The fit is better for outdoors activities, and the jackets are very lightweight, while being warm and able to block out most of the wind. The jackets are designed to be highly breathable while being waterproof - yes, other jackets are designed for this as well, but Arc'teryx simply does it better than most companies. I would just let this go: you don't understand the need. That's fine, but lots of people do.

[scv]

You guys are really trying to justify overpaying for outerwear. I don't know if you abuse your clothing or what but you don't need to spend hundreds of dollars for long lasting clothing. Heck, I've got stuff 15-20 yrs old that I no longer wear only because it is out of style, not because it is worn out.

You make it sound as though it's only high end or Walmart and nothing in between.

All I can say is that I only justify it when it goes on sale, I have 600+ posts here after all. I wouldn't spend $500+ for a jacket, but when the same jacket costs $250ish, well that's basically the same cost as most medium range jackets anyhow.

[dhype55]

Good size lineup at 9, tent does seem to have a decent amount of gear.

[hotoffthepress]

Don't want to hijack this thread, but for those people who want to spend $100 or less, then check out the Stormtech Factory Store(s); I've gotten decent jackets for $50 there. It's not Arcteryx, but I don't have to spend the next 6 months paying for it either. :)

http://www.stormtech.ca/STORMTECH-Retail-Store-Walkthrough.html

[jlo mein]

Good size lineup at 9, tent does seem to have a decent amount of gear.

So the Thursday early sale is open to the public?

[dhype55]

Yup, line is 125 deep

[aroundandaround]

Yup, line is 125 deep

Wow... I didn't think it would be that busy. I was planning to go after class @ 3:00p. Is it even worth going?

[dhype55]

It'll be cleaned out by noon, some good deals for sure. No recession happening in that tent.

[Inno]

Wow, you just don't get it. If all you can see in terms of outdoors, technical clothing is how long it lasts, then you don't really understand the need for Arc'teryx clothing, or anything above, say, Misty Mountain "gear." It's about fit, breathability, waterproofness, and so many other things. The fit is better for outdoors activities, and the jackets are very lightweight, while being warm and able to block out most of the wind. The jackets are designed to be highly breathable while being waterproof - yes, other jackets are designed for this as well, but Arc'teryx simply does it better than most companies. I would just let this go: you don't understand the need. That's fine, but lots of people do.

Agreed! My Arc goretext shell is great, a whole other level of quality. It lists at $700 or so, and I got it on sale for $250.

And guaranteed waterproof for life! How many companies give that kind of warranty?

[rice_demon]

got there at 930am.. was about 20-30 people ahead of me.. got in and it was an asian housewives battle.. -_-

as for what will be left.. if you are big (as in medium+) there is much hope for you in terms of 250 dollar gortex jackets in various colors..

womans stock was from XS-god knows how big

mens was from S (very limited) to like XXL

other than that the stock was pretty much raped..

womens section had a nicer selection.

[aaaaaa]

arcteryx sales are always a gongshow... millions of ppl show up.

ok, hundreds at a time maybe. in any case, they always seem to do weekday sales, and sadly I have to be at work :'(

as to the comments about arcteryx being overpriced:
the factory sale prices are def not overpriced. high, yes, but you can't get any better quality than this. arcteryx is the very top of the line. i know it goes against everything rfd stands for, but sometimes paying more is a good thing.

[miss_swan]

Hmnnnn ... XL's ... I may have to check this out.

Asian Housewives battle?

Sexay! :D

[rice_demon]

Hmnnnn ... XL's ... I may have to check this out.

Asian Housewives battle?

Sexay! :D

granny perms arent sexy :/

[bkushner]

Don't want to hijack this thread, but for those people who want to spend $100 or less, then check out the Stormtech Factory Store(s); I've gotten decent jackets for $50 there. It's not Arcteryx, but I don't have to spend the next 6 months paying for it either. :)

http://www.stormtech.ca/STORMTECH-Retail-Store-Walkthrough.html
6 months? time for a new job.

[d1et]

can anyone comment on the prices/selection for women?

thanks :)

[commie]

Arc'teryx is a great Technical outerwear brand...for those complaining about their pricing or comparing them to walmart jackets, then you obviously have no use for technical outerwear.

Are they worth $600 bucks? maybe maybe not...
but if you are ever out hiking or skiing in the winter...you will definately appreciate the technology in the jacket.

of course I only paid 50 bucks for my Theta SV shell so I can't complain. :)


Can anyone comment on the model choices, prices and the colour availability at the sale?
Arcteryx makes jackets in some weird colours...who wears those bright yellow or mustard coloured jackets?

[Gamblor]

For the people saying that Arcteryx is too expensive, why are you even posting? Ignore this thread and move along. No need for hate.

First off we are talking sale prices, so thats no where near $600, and secondly are you that cheap that you don't want to invest in a good coat/shell made with excellent quality and lasting appeal?

I'm sorry, but the way it works for me is save money, and then spend it on a great deal and on good quality. I don't post often on RFD but man I have seen a whole new level of cheapness, lol.

For the people that went to the sale today, how whas the prices? Can you post your thoughts and purchases?

Thanks

[aaaaaa]

hey, does anyone know if they're putting out more stuff tomorrow?

apparently a couple people from work are going to be going tomorrow, i'm curious if they're going to be out of luck

[vcr_shopper]

FYI:

Adidas/Salomon has acquired Arc'teryx a while back. I've also heard they've cut back on quality/materials to become more competitive, along with moving its production to 8 different countries (I believe China is the main manufacturing site.).

[d1et]

the cashier said they will be adding more stuff to the sale each day

by the end of the day, there were only mens L/XL and very few mediums left
i got womens theta AR -orig $525, sale $269
and Gamma LT -orig $200, sale $79
and a few t-shirts for like 20 bucks each
so i guess most of the stuff was ~50% off


there was a lot of factory seconds though................

[Popular]

its not cash only right? :confused:

[blue_lammer]

FYI:

Adidas/Salomon has acquired Arc'teryx a while back. I've also heard they've cut back on quality/materials to become more competitive, along with moving its production to 8 different countries (I believe China is the main manufacturing site.).

Their top of the line jackets are made in Canada if I remember properly. However I'm not sure if that just means they put the finishing touches here and call it a Canadian product.



The reason Arc'teryx is so expensive after materials is the construction. The seams are either welded or stiched with more thread than their competitors. I remember seeing soemthing in the past about Arc'teryx applying an oligiophobic (oil-repellant) coating to both sides of the fabric in gore-tex jackets. Apparently that is a very expensive procedure, however they are not allowed to advertise it.

Although you get no warranty from them when buy seconds, I've recently sent my 5 year old jacket back to Arc'teryx for warranty for some zipper issues. They found some bubbling in the seam tape so they called me up and told me they are giving me a brand new jacket! This was a $450 jacket and obviously i was more than happy.

I love my new jacket and I will be more than happy to buy from them again. I can't say I've had many jackets that held up to 5 years of abusive wear and tear and at the end come out ahead.

[suzuka]

FYI:

Adidas/Salomon has acquired Arc'teryx a while back. I've also heard they've cut back on quality/materials to become more competitive, along with moving its production to 8 different countries (I believe China is the main manufacturing site.).

You're correct. Only the most high end equipment is still made in Vancouver. For most of the garments, a quick glance at the label will show it's now made overseas. When they were local, their prices were on the high side as you were paying for a superior product to be made locally. Now, with their new owners (arc'teryx has been sold multiple times) they command an even higher premium for garments made overseas. You can make your own decision being the savy consumer.

Goretex is a awesome product but it's not breathable compared to other newer fabrics on the market. If you want technical wear that performs better than goretex, check out a technical fabric called eVent (it's direct competition for goretex from folks at 3M - truly cutting edge)

[SPARTACVS]

Goretex is a awesome product but it's not breathable compared to other newer fabrics on the market. If you want technical wear that performs better than goretex, check out a technical fabric called eVent (it's direct competition for goretex from folks at 3M - truly cutting edge)

Event is a very breathable membrane. But the comparison has always been made to the oldest Gore-Tex fabrics. Compared to the latest (Pro Shell, which is ~ 2 years old), I suspect it would be comparable or at least very close.

Rab is probably the company that makes the most interesting garments with event.

[commie]

The reason Arc'teryx is so expensive after materials is the construction. The seams are either welded or stiched with more thread than their competitors. I remember seeing soemthing in the past about Arc'teryx applying an oligiophobic (oil-repellant) coating to both sides of the fabric in gore-tex jackets. Apparently that is a very expensive procedure, however they are not allowed to advertise it.



The whole process of applying an oil-repellant coating is advertised as a feature by Goretex..
The actual process of manufacturing the fabrics with the membranes and seamtapes is not a really expensive procedure...what makes up most of the cost is the R&D....and their patent protection.
Goretex is like fort knox in their protection of the manufacturing process.
Without revealing too much, you'll be amazed at how simple the whole lamination and manufacturing process is....But its patented and is highly protected, and thus ultra expensive as they can charge whatever they want.

If you want to read something interesting, do some reading on the Gore company...very fascinating company history....They are like a mini-Dupont, makes wide variety of products beyond their Fabrics....Everything from Guitar strings, medical devices that go into heart implants, wires (most of the wires on the space shuttle are from Gore).....and their management structure is weird too....almost like a cult...

[thendless]

Their top of the line jackets are made in Canada if I remember properly. However I'm not sure if that just means they put the finishing touches here and call it a Canadian product.



The reason Arc'teryx is so expensive after materials is the construction. The seams are either welded or stiched with more thread than their competitors. I remember seeing soemthing in the past about Arc'teryx applying an oligiophobic (oil-repellant) coating to both sides of the fabric in gore-tex jackets. Apparently that is a very expensive procedure, however they are not allowed to advertise it.

Although you get no warranty from them when buy seconds, I've recently sent my 5 year old jacket back to Arc'teryx for warranty for some zipper issues. They found some bubbling in the seam tape so they called me up and told me they are giving me a brand new jacket! This was a $450 jacket and obviously i was more than happy.

I love my new jacket and I will be more than happy to buy from them again. I can't say I've had many jackets that held up to 5 years of abusive wear and tear and at the end come out ahead.

My cousin worked at an outdoor store that sells a majority of Arcteryx apparel. They have product knowledge reps train the sales person about the quality of the brand. The one thing that makes Arcteryx superior to others is indeed the construction of the fabric. I'm not talking about the goretex membrane, I mean the construction of the face fabric. Unlike other manufacturers Arcteryx produces its face fabric with a 1 to 1 stitching ratio while others usually use 1 to 3 or less. If you have an Arcteryx hard shell and compare with another hard shell under a magnifying glass you will see the density in the stitching... I was not really convinced until my cousin showed me under the magnifying glass in comparison to my mountain hardware jacket and it is true that you really are paying for that quality of construction that arcteryx provides. However is this really worh the premium you pay for Arcteryx? It really probably won't make a huge difference to the average user but for the hardcore outdoors man it does which is why Arcteryx caters to that elite crowd.

To the people who think this brand is worn for fashion is just plain ignorant. This isn't North Face we are talking about.

[jjjjjj]

I wish they have factory sales in Toronto too

[commie]

To be 'fashionable' isn't necessarily limited to visual appeal. The Hummer and the Porsche Cayenne have been named some of the ugliest vehicles designed. But most people buy them to make a statement...to show that they can and to project a particular image. Forget about the fact that the functionality they use them for is only a fraction of what they are capable of. They could achieve their purposes with vehicles which offer far greater value. But you'll never get their owners to admit this. The proof is the type of clientele that showed up at the sale.

and how would you know what the of clientele show up at the sale are thinking? Are you the judge and jury for the world?
You're just like all those others that don't like to spent money on one thing, and criticize others for spending money on it....Like all those BMW haters, etc..

Just because you don't like to spend money on it...don't hate on those that do..

BTW - these jackets have been worn by the expedition teams to the North Pole and Mount Everest...

[hotoffthepress]

FYI:

Adidas/Salomon has acquired Arc'teryx a while back. I've also heard they've cut back on quality/materials to become more competitive, along with moving its production to 8 different countries (I believe China is the main manufacturing site.).

So Sad! Always the case with great products.

When ever a company pulls a move like this, the quality is soon to follow; seen it way too many times.

[Rainvalley]

Was just there this morning, one of 1st. 20 people. No extra savings over their regular factory outlet prices. Eg. Sidewinder jacket normally $239 at outlet. Same price today, ski pants same price etc etc. The only heavily discounted items were cotton Arc' branded t-shirts. There was a little more variety if you like the puke and lime green colours.
Just shop any other time without the crowds.

[Haro]

Was just there this morning, one of 1st. 20 people. No extra savings over their regular factory outlet prices. Eg. Sidewinder jacket normally $239 at outlet. Same price today, ski pants same price etc etc. The only heavily discounted items were cotton Arc' branded t-shirts. There was a little more variety if you like the puke and lime green colours.
Just shop any other time without the crowds.

regular factory outlet prices? is there other outlet in GVR area?

[Rainvalley]

regular factory outlet prices? is there other outlet in GVR area?

Not that I know of. Just N.Van

[jlo mein]

Was just there this morning, one of 1st. 20 people. No extra savings over their regular factory outlet prices. Eg. Sidewinder jacket normally $239 at outlet. Same price today, ski pants same price etc etc.

Is the Sidewinder jacket they only mens jacket they have at the outlet? Everyone mentions it and nothing else. I personally hate it since the side zipping high collar makes it awkward to wear unzipped, and I was hoping to pick up a more normal style at outlet prices.

[Rainvalley]

There was alot of the sidewinders, grey/green and burgundy. Lots of Theta AR's and the other model, dont know the name. Fission (windstopper and thinsulate), tons of fleece (priced the same as what I paid 2 weeks ago there). No Beta AR's which I have one. I like the Beta fit much better than the Theata, shorter though. I saw some of the soft shell jackets but didnt pay much attn.

[jlo mein]

There was alot of the sidewinders, grey/green and burgundy. Lots of Theta AR's and the other model, dont know the name. Fission (windstopper and thinsulate), tons of fleece (priced the same as what I paid 2 weeks ago there). No Beta AR's which I have one. I like the Beta fit much better than the Theata, shorter though. I saw some of the soft shell jackets but didnt pay much attn.

Thank you for reporting all this information, it is very helpful.

[Rainvalley]

Thank you for reporting all this information, it is very helpful.

My pleasure, I have used Red Flag for a while and saw where I could finally contribute back!

[aaaaaa]

to answer a couple ppl's questions:
the factory sale was located at their factory outlet store. this store is open year round, and has discounted arteryx stuff (mainly factory seconds) for sale. They pretty much have the full selection of arteryx's products for sale, everything from jackets to backpacks to tuques. what they have seems to vary over time, i'm not sure if they have some sort of schedule for getting new/different stuff in.

[dhype55]

Is the Sidewinder jacket they only mens jacket they have at the outlet? Everyone mentions it and nothing else. I personally hate it since the side zipping high collar makes it awkward to wear unzipped, and I was hoping to pick up a more normal style at outlet prices.

I was near the front of the line yesterday.

Not that many sidewinder jackets that morning, a few, more in women's. Women's in general had more stuff.

Lots of jackets, handful of SV style jackets (hood doesn't fold into the collar like the AR)

Lots of AR's, most sizes and the boring teak's, burgundy's. Black was rare in any jacket except some women's. Lots of the paclite stuff.

Jacket's and pants aren't factory seconds, well at least they weren't tagged like seconds like all the other stuff. I could be wrong, forgot to ask the staff.

Fleece's, soft shells or basically anything made overseas were tagged factory seconds indicating the mistake. Biggest discounts were on the mid layer stuff, shirts and bag's. Jacket's are always 50% at the factory store.

Typical warehouse sale, lot of people grab everything and horde into big piles to try on in the corners (Asian mom's were good at this, couple of them rang up $5000 pretty quickly with all the jacket's)

The stuff is top notch as everyone has already mentioned, understated for sure. http://lh4.ggpht.com/_1UhQVC8jvyQ/Stj-CxOMEpI/AAAAAAAAAHE/JQ3AHuZqIQY/s400/photo%202-3.jpg

http://lh6.ggpht.com/_1UhQVC8jvyQ/Stj-Cw-WAVI/AAAAAAAAAHI/bBrE0Uer8YQ/s400/photo-5.jpg

[gearslut]

FYI:

Adidas/Salomon has acquired Arc'teryx a while back. I've also heard they've cut back on quality/materials to become more competitive, along with moving its production to 8 different countries (I believe China is the main manufacturing site.).

Adidas/Salomon does not own Arc'teryx. Their parent company is Amer Sports.

They absolutely have not cut back on quality nor materials. They still produce top of the line gear. Yes, they do have factories in China but not because they wanted to reduce costs but because there is only a limited pool of sewers/factory workers in the area. All of their products go through the same Quality Control process.

[miss_swan]

Interesting read on Amer Sports ...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amer_Sports

... and back on topic, i'm getting the impression that it may not be worth the fight and hassle unless you're going for some items that may not be stocked regularly at the warehouse store. I may just wait a couple of weeks and hit the store and see if there's anything good left over there.

[vcr_shopper]

Adidas/Salomon does not own Arc'teryx. Their parent company is Amer Sports.

They absolutely have not cut back on quality nor materials. They still produce top of the line gear. Yes, they do have factories in China but not because they wanted to reduce costs but because there is only a limited pool of sewers/factory workers in the area. All of their products go through the same Quality Control process.

Wikipedia Quote:

"In January 2001 Arc'teryx was purchased by the Adidas owned Salomon Group. In May of 2005 Amer Sports purchased the Salomon Group from Adidas. The Arc'teryx head office is still located in North Vancouver, although harnesses, backpacks, and many other lamination equipment is from its own factory in Burnaby, BC, their apparel line has expanded, thus Arc'teryx has consequently outsourced to plants in China, Vietnam, and New Zealand."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arc%27teryx

[jlo mein]

Went to the store tonight. Judging from previous comments, it appears the store is being regularly restocked with new stuff as the sale goes on. Tonight on Men's I saw lots of Theta AR in black, red, and khaki/olive. Also had a lot of Sidewinder something jackets in many colours. In the tent area they had a lot of Stingray jackets in khaki/olive. All of these were 50% off (equalling ~$250-270) and none of them appeared to be factory seconds. Note that almost all jackets in small and medium were sold out, and very few large. Also had lots of shirts and mid layer stuff but the majority of it was in cardboard boxes and hard to sort through. Backpacks and shoulder bags were also discounted.

Therefore I believe it is likely they will restock before opening tomorrow, however get there early if you are small/medium in mens. Today I picked up a factory second brown Alpha SL jacket for $240, which was the last one in the entire store. Compared it to the Theta AR, the Alpha seemed more supple, breathable, and lighter. In extra large it also fit me much better than the Theta in large...weird. I might go back tomorrow to see if they restocked with anything nice. I'm still looking for a waist length rain jacket with stowing or no hood for urban use, and a mid layer zip up.

[Asimo]

only left with XL and XXL , and style are ugly ... the outlet had better selections , price is same

[hesp]

how much were the mens t shirts going for?

[Asimo]

how much were the mens t shirts going for?

those shirts colours are lime and brown .. whats left are XXL and they are around $14.99 .

orig is $50 , but I don't think they worth $50, $15-20 sounds about right for that quality .. nothing special

[jlo mein]

Does anyone with knowledge of past Arcteryx sales know if items have additional discounts on the last day, or near closing on the last day?

[Asimo]

yes on factory second items

like the backpack r 70% off

and some factory second cloths

but I personally dont' like factory second stuff especially paying such high ticket price. Its all defects. Should be sold at 90% off or free , not 40-50% off like most item there.

[jackwest]

Arcteryx is the lululemon of outdoor apparel. you will massively overpay for a product that just stylish outdoor gear. which is generally a total contradiction in itself.

people like me who are serious in the outdoors will take a glance at your $400 dollar backpack or jacket and know immediately exactly how outdoorsy you are.

if you don't believe me, you should read some of the interviews arcteryx founders have given for a business perspective. basically they describe their business as building a mystique around a simple commodity of waterproof gear

[antibact]

Have you ever owned anything from Arcteryx? Ever read any reviews? Ever been concerned about service on the gear you've owned? I purchased an Arcteryx pack about 2 years ago and sure, I could have probably bought something of similar quality for a little bit less, but certainly not with the warranty they provide. Something on my pack broke and after a single phone call, I received replacement parts in the mail within days - no questions asked, no receipt needed, no busted parts to send back. I could not have asked for a more hassle-free experience. No person serious in the outdoors would be so casually dismissive of such great equipment and service.

Arcteryx is the lululemon of outdoor apparel. you will massively overpay for a product that just stylish outdoor gear. which is generally a total contradiction in itself.

people like me who are serious in the outdoors will take a glance at your $400 dollar backpack or jacket and know immediately exactly how outdoorsy you are.

if you don't believe me, you should read some of the interviews arcteryx founders have given for a business perspective. basically they describe their business as building a mystique around a simple commodity of waterproof gear

[jackwest]

Have you ever owned anything from Arcteryx? Ever read any reviews? Ever been concerned about service on the gear you've owned? I purchased an Arcteryx pack about 2 years ago and sure, I could have probably bought something of similar quality for a little bit less, but certainly not with the warranty they provide. Something on my pack broke and after a single phone call, I received replacement parts in the mail within days - no questions asked, no receipt needed, no busted parts to send back. I could not have asked for a more hassle-free experience. No person serious in the outdoors would be so casually dismissive of such great equipment and service.

because arcteryx is only a bit more expensive, and everyone who isn't arcyeryx has no service or quality at all, right?

you actually haven't contradicted anything I said, every luxury brand offers high service and quality, because you have already paid through the nose on purchase. with the same price, i could buy 2-4 different backpacks or types of jackets from fine brands that also have warranties and fine service.

BTW, what are you doing posting this in this thread? you got a warranty which means you didn't buy from a sale like this. noone going to the factory will be enjoying the service you described, because they aren't paying a 100% premium for it.

[antibact]

because arcteryx is only a bit more expensive, and everyone who isn't arcyeryx has no service or quality at all, right?

They are a bit more expensive for products of similar quality. And no, MEC packs are not the same quality as Arcteryx packs. If you look at North Face, Osprey, Deuter, Mountain Hardware, etc, you're looking at similar pricing for similar packs. Also, it's not a question of service or quality, it's a question of level of service and level of quality. I see you just want to hate the company, it's cool. I'm certainly not trying to tell you where to spend your money - for me, it was worthwhile to spend the extra money, for you, perhaps not.

[jlo mein]

people like me who are serious in the outdoors will take a glance at your $400 dollar backpack or jacket and know immediately exactly how outdoorsy you are.

Who's to say that person spent $400? I would never buy Arcteryx at regular price but at $200-250 a jacket for the factory sale, I bought one and like it.

[antibact]

BTW, what are you doing posting this in this thread? you got a warranty which means you didn't buy from a sale like this. noone going to the factory will be enjoying the service you described, because they aren't paying a 100% premium for it.

I'm posting because your wide-sweeping comments about Arteryx and Lululemon had nothing to do with the sale. People buying from the sale in fact will not massively overpay, they will get a great deal.

[jackwest]

They are a bit more expensive for products of similar quality. And no, MEC packs are not the same quality as Arcteryx packs. If you look at North Face, Osprey, Deuter, Mountain Hardware, etc, you're looking at similar pricing for similar packs. Also, it's not a question of service or quality, it's a question of level of service and level of quality. I see you just want to hate the company, it's cool. I'm certainly not trying to tell you where to spend your money - for me, it was worthwhile to spend the extra money, for you, perhaps not.

a monster cable is higher quality than monoprice, guess how much of a difference that makes when you connect them to your TV?

an arcteryx pack is higher quality than mec, guess how much of a difference that makes as you walk to starbucks in the rain?

i don't hate the company, i just said i laugh at people who wear it.

i like the company, as in i would like to have some shares and make money off of people like you

[antibact]

a monster cable is higher quality than monoprice, guess how much of a difference that makes when you connect them to your TV?

an arcteryx pack is higher quality than mec, guess how much of a difference that makes as you walk to starbucks in the rain?

i don't hate the company, i just said i laugh at people who wear it.

i like the company, as in i would like to have some shares to keep making some money off of people like you

A love a nice specious example. Cables and backpacks are very similar indeed. And you're correct, I frequently take my 80 litre pack to Starbucks in the rain and it makes a world of difference.

[jackwest]

this is RFD people

Who's to say that person spent $400? I would never buy Arcteryx at regular price but at $200-250 a jacket for the factory sale, I bought one and like it.

im not dissing your purchase. its an individual decision. an individual decision to line up for minutes/hours, and beat a crowd to pawn over commodities that still have a 50-100% markup.

I'm posting because your wide-sweeping comments about Arteryx and Lululemon had nothing to do with the sale. People buying from the sale in fact will not massively overpay, they will get a great deal.

95% of the people in the sale want a decent comfortable waterproof jacket. this is available from 10-50 different companies at a lower price.

i actually own an expensive jacket, similar to arcteryx, for skiing. i paid less and i didnt lineup.

[jackwest]

A love a nice specious example. Cables and backpacks are very similar indeed.

actually its called an analogy, in this case a devastatingly effective one that describes exactly the relationship between arcteryx and the rest of the market. nice use of "specious" though.

I frequently take my 80 litre pack to Starbucks in the rain and it makes a world of difference.

so, which expeditions have you been on with your 80 litre? have you hit up Logan, maybe doing a trek up Robson, this year. or do you travel farther? maybe hiked up to Everest Base camp :cheesygri:cheesygri:cheesygri

oh wait, you're actually serious about just using the pack in the city, nevermind.

[antibact]

actually its called an analogy, in this case a devastatingly effective one that describes exactly the relationship between arcteryx and the rest of the market. nice use of "specious" though.



Actually, it's a devastatingly ineffective one. The number of variables that determine what makes a cable a cable is incredibly small compared to the number that makes a backpack a backpack. Like I mentioned earlier, you're just here to hate the company, and more appropriately to be a nuissance. If you do however feel like being a positive contributor, you could let everyone in on all of these products that you are aware of that are of the same quality, cost less and have no lineups. I'm sure people would love to buy them instead. Or you could just carry on with being a non-contributing zero - your choice entirely.

[aaaaaa]

a monster cable is higher quality than monoprice

source on that fact? I think many people on here would disagree with you. pls find a better analogy ;)

As to all your hate mr jack west, i think it is unfounded. High end products often cost significantly more. When high end products aren't actually high end (ex: monster cable), there's reason to go out of your way to 'educate' people about it. Similarly, if high end products aren't likely to ever be needed by a given set of people (ex: extended warranty at futureshop), you can feel free to point that out too. But if all you have to say is that you disagree with people paying extra money for nicer stuff, do you really need to bother? It is not up to you to tell people how to spend their money. Feel free to state your opinion, but no one cares to hear endless debate.

Arcteryx stuff is high quality, it is high priced, and it may not be needed by all people who buy it. There's really nothing more to say. This was a thread about the sale arcteryx was having. Many people here obviously are interested in buying arcteryx stuff, I don't see why you need to hate on that so much.

[jackwest]

Actually, it's a devastatingly ineffective one. The number of variables that determine what makes a cable a cable is incredibly small compared to the number that makes a backpack a backpack. Like I mentioned earlier, you're just here to hate the company, and more appropriately to be a nuissance. If you do however feel like being a positive contributor, you could let everyone in on all of these products that you are aware of that are of the same quality, cost less and have no lineups. I'm sure people would love to buy them instead. Or you could just carry on with being a non-contributing zero - your choice entirely.

Let's sum this up:

1. Jackwest criticizes Antibact because he buys high end, high margin, mountaineering equipment to walk to starbucks
2. Antibact defends himself by saying he buys high end, high margin, mountaineering equipment to walk to starbucks
3. Jackwest scratches his head

If you do however feel like being a positive contributor, you could let everyone in on all of these products that you are aware of that are of the same quality, cost less and have no lineups. I'm sure people would love to buy them instead. Or you could just carry on with being a non-contributing zero - your choice entirely.

www.mec.ca

i think you will also be able to walk to starbucks in comfort with a mec backpack

[jackwest]

source on that fact? I think many people on here would disagree with you. pls find a better analogy ;)


this isn't controversial or interesting. monster cable does spend more per cable, just so they can blow up this difference for marketing. for example, monster's packaging alone costs more than a 6" HDMI cable.


As to all your hate mr jack west, i think it is unfounded.
i do not 'hate' arcyterx. people should be more careful not to resort to ad hominem or ascribe irrational motivations to people whose arguments they do not like.


Arcteryx stuff is high quality, it is high priced, and it may not be needed by all people who buy it...if high end products aren't likely to ever be needed by a given set of people... you can feel free to point that out too....It is not up to you to tell people how to spend their money...

so its ok to criticize the need for arcteryx but not ok to criticize the need for arcteryx?
;);)

actually i said my point in my first post, the remaining posts were the effortless swatting of fanboys

[antibact]

Let's sum this up:

1. Jackwest criticizes Antibact because he buys high end, high margin, mountaineering equipment to walk to starbucks
2. Antibact defends himself by saying his equipment is high end
3. Jackwest scratches his head



www.mec.ca

i think you will also be able to walk to starbucks in comfort with a mec backpack

The whole pack to Starbucks thing was just sarcasm you realize. I thought mentioning that the pack was 80 litres would have made that glaringly obvious, but I guess I was mistaken.

[jackwest]

The whole pack to Starbucks thing was just sarcasm you realize. I thought mentioning that the pack was 80 litres would have made that glaringly obvious, but I guess I was mistaken.

1. Jackwest criticizes people who buys high end, high margin, mountaineering equipment to walk to starbucks
2. Antibact defends himself by saying he buys high end, high margin, mountaineering equipment to walk to starbucks
3. Jackwest scratches his head

4. Antibact explains he was joking, he buys high end, high margin, mountaineering equipment to walk to mountains
5. Jackwest scratches his head again, and continues to criticize people who buys high end, high margin, mountaineering equipment to walk to starbucks

[miss_swan]

Let's sum this up:

1. Jackwest criticizes Antibact because he buys high end, high margin, mountaineering equipment to walk to starbucks
2. Antibact defends himself by saying his equipment is high end
3. Jackwest scratches his head



www.mec.ca

i think you will also be able to walk to starbucks in comfort with a mec backpack

Actually, the tone of your comments earlier were fairly inflammatory with words like "laugh" and so forth.

I find it amusing that all of a sudden you become defensive, lacking insight on the effects of your wording within this thread and playing the martyr role ...

"Oh yeah, i'm just pointing out this and that and saying this and that ... all of a sudden i'm being attacked by uncouth forumites ... what did I say???"

You know, you were becoming high and mighty with the tone of your posts, you attacked the intelligence and decision-making of others who would be interested in Arctery'x and you put yourself on a pedestal describing yourself as a "real outdoor person".

What exactly is a "real outdoor person"?

If you feel so comfortable attacking those from a distance and making claims to your elevated position, what kind of gear do you wear to support your claims that you are so much better in choosing gear that is as good/better value?

You can make claims, the rest is for others to decide if you are on the money ... or full of it ... or somewhere in between.

Give it a go, try this thread out. Don't be shy :)

[miss_swan]

Another thing ... I agree with the spirit of what you said (not all of it, but most) ... it's the way you said it that is rubbing people the wrong way.

[jackwest]

Actually, the tone of your comments earlier were fairly inflammatory with words like "laugh" and so forth.

my tone remains the same, if you found it inflammatary before, it will remain so

I find it amusing that all of a sudden you become defensive, lacking insight on the effects of your wording within this thread and playing the martyr role ...

"Oh yeah, i'm just pointing out this and that and saying this and that ... all of a sudden i'm being attacked by uncouth forumites ... what did I say???"

i agree, what a devastating exact quote, whoever typed that out is a hypocrite;););)


You know, you were becoming high and mighty with the tone of your posts, you attacked the intelligence and decision-making of others who would be interested in Arctery'x and you put yourself on a pedestal describing yourself as a "real outdoor person".

I remain on my pedestal.

What exactly is a "real outdoor person"?


You are talking to one. Ask me anything.

If you feel so comfortable attacking those from a distance and making claims to your elevated position, what kind of gear do you wear to support your claims that you are so much better in choosing gear that is as good/better value?

You can make claims, the rest is for others to decide if you are on the money ... or full of it ... or somewhere in between.


90% of the people in the line want to use these jackets for hiking or rainy days.

Goretex is inappropriate for hiking because it actually doesn't breathe enough during rigorous activity. It also needs to be clean and water resistant to be effective. Instead I use polypro, fleece, and wool, all of which cost less than $60 dollars. I use a silicon tarp tent as a poncho. My whole kit's dry weight is 9.8 pounds. For rainy days wear any $30-$100 jacket in the city.

Now for the other 10% involved in snow sports:

GTX is appropriate for skiing and snowboarding. I wear a goretex jacket for skiing/snowboarding. I think I've seen people wear arcteryx but I'm not sure. I got my jacket off craigslist for $180 dollars.

You can buy such goretex jackets equal or greater in quality to Arcteryx and WITH A WARRANTY, from Mec or other places. One good strategy is to buy from the states, even higher end brands, although you need to try them out. You do not have to line up to go over seconds, and you can do it more than 2x a year.

basically arcteryx is just a well placed brand for consumers who have more money than out doors experience, and i think other brands are preferred for snow ports

Give it a go, try this thread out. Don't be shy :)

Thanks the encouragement, you know how shy I am. ;););)

[jackwest]

i want to add a point:

since i'm arguing the only value arcteryx has to offer is in snowsports, it would be good for my argument if they didn't carry any ski or snowboarding jackets at the factory sale, is that true? I suspect so.

[miss_swan]

Fair enough ... you admitted you were being a bit of an arse ... as long as you admit to it and are not lacking in insight, I can accept that for what it's worth. It's being fake that pisses people off.

As for your modus operandi ... I think we can all agree that being a "real outdoors person" a la jackwest ... is not what (most) people aspire to be. I guess you are too authentic for your own good ;)

So, having said that ... can you bite your tongue when these threads pop up and not feel the need to espouse your zen-like awareness of all things outdoors? It would save people a lot of time responding to your commentary. :)

[jackwest]

Fair enough ... you admitted you were being a bit of an arse ... as long as you admit to it and are not lacking in insight, I can accept that for what it's worth. It's being fake that pisses people off.

As for your modus operandi ... I think we can all agree that being a "real outdoors person" a la jackwest ... is not what (most) people aspire to be. I guess you are too authentic for your own good ;)

So, having said that ... can you bite your tongue when these threads pop up and not feel the need to espouse your zen-like awareness of all things outdoors? It would save people a lot of time responding to your commentary. :)

you hate people using monster cables too...just please think twice because lining up to plonk down $300 after tax dollars for something you don't need and doesn't even have a warranty. there are alternatives. this is rfd.

[chris103610]

guys,

people buy high end stuff. because they want to.
what is the difference between a BMW vs a Mercedes vs a Ford vs a Toyota.
It is subjective.

For anyone to judge anyone on what they wear, what they drive, or what they do is stupid.
and if they do judge them, then they have the right to.

Sometimes, you get what you pay for. Other times you get good deals.
To flame someone because they think buying an Arctryx jacket is a good purchase is stupid?

you can parallel anything. cars, cell phones, homes, computers, restaurants..

At the end of the day, if you are interested in buying this particular product, then this sale is a good deal, is it not? and if it is a good deal on THIS product, then that is why it has been posted in the deals section.
you can't keep comparing everything.

That being said, i'm going down to check out the sale. hopefully it's not a total bust. But if I like what I see i'll buy it. and if you want to flame me because i buy it that is fine.

[jackwest]

guys,

people buy high end stuff. because they want to.
what is the difference between a BMW vs a Mercedes vs a Ford vs a Toyota.
It is subjective.

For anyone to judge anyone on what they wear, what they drive, or what they do is stupid.
and if they do judge them, then they have the right to.

Sometimes, you get what you pay for. Other times you get good deals.
To flame someone because they think buying an Arctryx jacket is a good purchase is stupid?

you can parallel anything. cars, cell phones, homes, computers, restaurants..

At the end of the day, if you are interested in buying this particular product, then this sale is a good deal, is it not? and if it is a good deal on THIS product, then that is why it has been posted in the deals section.
you can't keep comparing everything.

That being said, i'm going down to check out the sale. hopefully it's not a total bust. But if I like what I see i'll buy it. and if you want to flame me because i buy it that is fine.

1. because there's just as good alternatives for a better price?
2. because almost everyone is rationalizing their conspicuous consumption by using arcane jargon and meaningless technical details

[jlo mein]

im not dissing your purchase. its an individual decision. an individual decision to line up for minutes/hours, and beat a crowd to pawn over commodities that still have a 50-100% markup.


To anyone still attempting to go to the Arcteryx sale, I think the line ups are only in the morning. On Friday I went to buy my jacket around 6PM and I could leisurely walk around and browse without being bumped by people, and I didn't have to wait in a line. I wish I had a chance to go again today to see if they have additional last minute discounts, but I'm stuck at work. :(

i want to add a point:

since i'm arguing the only value arcteryx has to offer is in snowsports, it would be good for my argument if they didn't carry any ski or snowboarding jackets at the factory sale, is that true? I suspect so.

The factory sale for mens has Sidewinder and Stingray jackets for sale ~$250. AFAIK they are both designed specifically for skiing and snowboarding.

[aaaaaa]

Instead I use polypro, fleece, and wool, all of which cost less than $60 dollars. I use a silicon tarp tent as a poncho.

lol! just because you can get by with welfare stuff doesn't mean that higher quality gear isn't nicer.

Tent tarp... geez :lol:

Let me guess, those propane/butane backpacking stoves are a crazy waste of money too. You still use the cost effective white gas ones right? :lol:

I have done tons of outdoors stuff, and seen very clearly how nicer gear can make a big difference. You are super against arcteryx, yet all over mec, even though many of the items mec sells and arcteryx sells go for similar prices. I'd say you should probably make sure your opinions make sense before forcing them upon the world.

http://stuffwhitepeoplelike.com/2008/03/11/87-outdoor-performance-clothes/
Good article btw. You make it sound like that is your point, but really, i don't think you have a point, just hate for arcteryx

[chris103610]

1. because there's just as good alternatives for a better price?
2. because almost everyone is rationalizing their conspicuous consumption by using arcane jargon and meaningless technical details

that is subjective though. like i mentioned.
just as good is not the same. unless it is exactly the same. ie the look, the feel, the material... and even then, the branding plays a huge role as well.

why are the details meaningless?
what is something really important to you?
Something really important to me is dressing up for church. I like to dress up for church because i've always dressed up. But A LOT of people in my church do not dress up. It doesn't bother me that they do not dress up. I just like to dress up because it is important to me.

You have to understand people rationalize things differently. which makes us so unique. think of how dull this world would be if everyone didn't rationalize things..

Personally, I love to have conversations like this on forums because I like to interact with people online. Think if you and I thought the same way. We wouldn't even be discussing something like this? I would just be browsing the thread. not saying anything. but because we have different priorities and different opinions we can have this conversation right now.

[Piers]

I appreciate that people want to debate the merits of the items for any given deal but I really wish there was a way to filter posts that digress into such a debate so those who are only interested in the details of the sale (pricing, availability updates etc) don't have to wade through pages to get what they're looking for.

[SPARTACVS]

I appreciate that people want to debate the merits of the items for any given deal but I really wish there was a way to filter posts that digress into such a debate so those who are only interested in the details of the sale (pricing, availability updates etc) don't have to wade through pages to get what they're looking for.

Just like you did? (just kidding)

It's part of the debate, like it or not. hey it's a forum.

I remember about a year ago someone posted a great dela about a telescope. Can't remember the initial price but it was an inexpensive telescope with a big price reduction. I and others pionted out to be carfull because the product price (even before rebate) was very low then the quality might be very poor. Sure it was a huge discount but any amount of money for something useless is certainly not a hot deal. Then the usual peoples with the "OMG you snob" attitude came in and the debated started. Well, it ended up that someone went to a store and tried the product. He concluded that it was so bad it was useless.

The debate is different here. Some peoples suggest that it is overpriced. Maybe, but there is a lot of things that determinate the price of a cloth. Not all t-shirt are the same. Some stay nice much longer than others... The question should be: do you really need that level of quality.

My point is it's part of the discussion as the price is not the only factor that determine if it's really a deal.