Samsung 2233RZ 22" 120Hz 3D Ready Monitor $309.99 @ Memoryexpress.com till 29th Sept

[Txiasaeia]

http://www.memoryexpress.com/Products/PID-MX23730(ME).aspx

I've been looking at this monitor for a while, and $309.99 is a good deal. Retail in Canada is $399.99. FS had it on for $369.99 a few weeks ago, and NCIX / Xpresscanada have it for about $350 right now. $309.99 is the best price I've seen for a 22" monitor that can output 120 Hz and can handle Nvidia's 3D glasses. Yesterday it was $329.99, which I PM'd at Future Shop. I've dealt with Memory Express in the past and I've had no problems.

[jp_zer0]

That's not even close to a top-of-the-line 22" monitor. I cannot even conceive why one would even buy a small TN panel that is so expensive.

This is more like it:

http://www.onhop.ca/catalog/product/10202491

Review here: http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/reviews/hp_lp2275w.htm

[lyh_chnxm]

That's not even close to a top-of-the-line 22" monitor. I cannot even conceive why one would even buy a small TN panel that is so expensive.

This is more like it:

http://www.onhop.ca/catalog/product/10202491

Review here: http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/reviews/hp_lp2275w.htm

this is not a 3D monitor...

[brokenpen]

Way to read the how the monitor in question was the best deal for a 22" 120hz monitor good enough to use nvidia 3dvision part of the OP!

You can't use the monitor you refer to with nvidia 3dvision. It's only 60hz according to the website you link.

That's not even close to a top-of-the-line 22" monitor. I cannot even conceive why one would even buy a small TN panel that is so expensive.

This is more like it:

http://www.onhop.ca/catalog/product/10202491

Review here: http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/reviews/hp_lp2275w.htm

[Txiasaeia]

Even without 3D Vision, imagine an LCD monitor with virtually no input lag and the ability to get more than 60 fps. Left 4 Dead, in particular, paired with a good CPU and decent graphics card, could certainly top out at 120 fps.

This is a gaming monitor, plain and simple.

[Shady_Dealer]

That's not even close to a top-of-the-line 22" monitor. I cannot even conceive why one would even buy a small TN panel that is so expensive.

This is more like it:

http://www.onhop.ca/catalog/product/10202491

Review here: http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/reviews/hp_lp2275w.htm

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[discostupid]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mudweYKciog&feature=related

[godshoot]

That's not even close to a top-of-the-line 22" monitor. I cannot even conceive why one would even buy a small TN panel that is so expensive.

This is more like it:

http://www.onhop.ca/catalog/product/10202491

Review here: http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/reviews/hp_lp2275w.htm

I LOLed. lmao I dont think you know what you are talking about.

[aasoror]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mudweYKciog&feature=related

This is anaglyph (red/blue) 3D in the vid, its nothing comparable to field sequential (FS) 3D that you can get with this LCD. FS 3D is comparable to Polarized glasses 3D that you see in theater.

All old CRT monitors and TVs support FS3D and most DLP displays as well, the problem with conventional LCDs is that they can maintain a constant/uniform refresh rate, that there is no way the 3D shutter glasses can sync with it. this isn't the case with this monitor, thats why its such pricey compared to ur typical 22" LCD.

[jp_zer0]

Wow, you guys are *****.

120hz and 3d are gimmicks pure and simple, the TN film is of garbage bin quality with disgusting viewing angles. While the 2275w is an excellent S-PVA monitor with unrivaled picture quality and performance.

If you had both this crappy sammy and the 2275w side by side, you would never wanna look at the sammy again.

I've got my LP2475w that costs over $600 and every cheap consumer monitor you guys *** over makes me wanna puke my guts out. The 2275w is the cheapest thing that comes close to a decent monitor outside of CRT.

[gameboy115]

Wow, you guys are *****.

120hz and 3d are gimmicks pure and simple, the TN film is of garbage bin quality with disgusting viewing angles. While the 2275w is an excellent S-PVA monitor with unrivaled picture quality and performance.

If you had both this crappy sammy and the 2275w side by side, you would never wanna look at the sammy again.

I've got my LP2475w that costs over $600 and every cheap consumer monitor you guys *** over makes me wanna puke my guts out. The 2275w is the cheapest thing that comes close to a decent monitor outside of CRT.

Why don't buy a 42 plasma for your monitor then, it cost 600-700 around. After calibration, it have better contract ratio and dark detail etc

LCD panel is supposed to be inferior comparing to plasma

[solofly]

Display
Screen Size 22" wide
Resolution 1680 x 1050
Brightness 300 cd/m²
Contrast Ratio DC 20,000:1 (1,000:1)
Response Time 2D: 5 ms
3D: 3 ms (GTG)
Viewing Angle 170º / 160º (CR>10)
Colour Supported 16.7M

Almost all the specs suck (cheap monitor). Once you see IPS and PVA screens, you never look back...

[Captain Snazzypants]

So how does this HP LP2275w you guys are raving about compare to Dell's 2209WA IPS model?

[lincoln]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mudweYKciog&feature=related

You just made my night! Works amazing with COD5 and a gtx 260!

[Txiasaeia]

Wow, you guys are *****.

120hz and 3d are gimmicks pure and simple, the TN film is of garbage bin quality with disgusting viewing angles. While the 2275w is an excellent S-PVA monitor with unrivaled picture quality and performance.

Um, no. TN panels have lower image quality and low latency lag. S-PVA monitors have better image quality and high latency lag. The 2233RZ has 0-10 ms lag; the 2275W has between 25 and 50 ms lag. The 2233RZ is obviously made for gaming, whereas the 2275W is best for applications where colour accuracy is important.

120hz isn't a gimmick; some CS players still use CRTs because the frames in CS max out at 100 fps, which up till now hasn't been able to be replicated in a 60hz LCD.

If you don't like the monitor, that's totally fine -- you don't need to buy it. I started this thread because I know that there are others on RFD like me who have been looking for a good price on this specific monitor. Kindly take your S-PVA/TN discussion to the hardware subforum.

[OxBaker]

um, no. Tn panels have lower image quality and low latency lag. S-pva monitors have better image quality and high latency lag. The 2233rz has 0-10 ms lag; the 2275w has between 25 and 50 ms lag. The 2233rz is obviously made for gaming, whereas the 2275w is best for applications where colour accuracy is important.

120hz isn't a gimmick; some cs players still use crts because the frames in cs max out at 100 fps, which up till now hasn't been able to be replicated in a 60hz lcd.

If you don't like the monitor, that's totally fine -- you don't need to buy it. I started this thread because i know that there are others on rfd like me who have been looking for a good price on this specific monitor. Kindly take your s-pva/tn discussion to the hardware subforum.

+1

[BD006]

Wow, you guys are *****.

120hz and 3d are gimmicks pure and simple, the TN film is of garbage bin quality with disgusting viewing angles. While the 2275w is an excellent S-PVA monitor with unrivaled picture quality and performance.

If you had both this crappy sammy and the 2275w side by side, you would never wanna look at the sammy again.

I've got my LP2475w that costs over $600 and every cheap consumer monitor you guys *** over makes me wanna puke my guts out. The 2275w is the cheapest thing that comes close to a decent monitor outside of CRT.

:lol:

[jp_zer0]

Um, no. TN panels have lower image quality and low latency lag. S-PVA monitors have better image quality and high latency lag. The 2233RZ has 0-10 ms lag; the 2275W has between 25 and 50 ms lag. The 2233RZ is obviously made for gaming, whereas the 2275W is best for applications where colour accuracy is important.

120hz isn't a gimmick; some CS players still use CRTs because the frames in CS max out at 100 fps, which up till now hasn't been able to be replicated in a 60hz LCD.

If you don't like the monitor, that's totally fine -- you don't need to buy it. I started this thread because I know that there are others on RFD like me who have been looking for a good price on this specific monitor. Kindly take your S-PVA/TN discussion to the hardware subforum.

The claim that TN panels have lower than 10ms latency is a lie and as much a gimmick as the 120hz and 3d are.

The 2275w is being marketed as a 6ms display but real world input lag (not gray to gray response time) is actually 25ms average and that is not, in any tangible sense, a disadvantage over TN film. TN panels will not fare a lot better than that. Most of them won't. It's well within the range where you don't generally notice any lag. Granted, this specific 2233RZ is particularly fast with 15ms real world lag.

I would bring this argument somewhere else but you tried to convey the 2233RZ as some sort of top-of-the-line monitor when it needs to be qualified further: namely as a really low-end monitor with some expensive gimmicks tacked on. The 120hz and 15ms is only useful for the marginal advantage that it gives to the, already marginal, twitch fps players.

[ZenOps]

6-bit TN panels have questionable colour reproduction. There are more and more 8-bit.

TN panels do have more limited viewing angles. But if this is for personal use - most people are rarely out of the viewing zone, which differs from a TV where you might have a group of people watching.

TN panels do excel in latency/lag (under 10 ms typically) which make them more suitable for fast action gaming.

So its not all bad, nice to see the first of the 120hz LCD monitors.

[jp_zer0]

So how does this HP LP2275w you guys are raving about compare to Dell's 2209WA IPS model?

2209WA is also really excellent. I would be comfortable with either.

[jp_zer0]

6-bit TN panels have questionable colour reproduction. There are more and more 8-bit.

TN panels do have more limited viewing angles. But if this is for personal use - most people are rarely out of the viewing zone, which differs from a TV where you might have a group of people watching.

TN panels do excel in latency/lag (under 10 ms typically) which make them more suitable for fast action gaming.

So its not all bad, nice to see the first of the 120hz LCD monitors.

I don't think any LCD monitor has <10ms real latency. The 2233RZ only comes close and it's one of the fastest.

[Txiasaeia]

The claim that TN panels have lower than 10ms latency is a lie and as much a gimmick as the 120hz and 3d are.

I'm curious about why you see 120hz as a "gimmick." Granted, a refresh rate isn't important in Photoshop or whatnot, but in my experience a 100hz CRT is visually preferable to a 60hz LCD. The fact that 120hz LCD monitors exist is in my mind a huge advantage for LCD monitors.

Given my own situation, I'd consider the colour reproduction of a S-PVA monitor a "gimmick", too.

The 2275w is being marketed as a 6ms display but real world input lag (not gray to gray response time) is actually 25ms average and that is not, in any tangible sense, a disadvantage over TN film.

I disagree. I've read reviews of the HP 2275w in which the lag is so great that it's perceptible in everyday tasks such as moving the mouse around in Windows. Since we're arguing apples to oranges, I'd also argue that most reviews of the 2275w complain about the perceptible whine coming from the power supply, a whine reminiscent of older CRT monitors. Granted, this is a 2275w problem and not a problem with S-PVA monitors.

I said that this was a top-of-the-line monitor considering features that gamers care about, namely FPS and 3d capabilities. I don't know about you, but I don't really care about colour fidelity when I'm shooting zombies in L4D; if my system can display more frames than 60 fps in L4D, I'd certainly want a monitor that can handle more than 60 fps.

[ssiu]

I guess OP is just a tad over-enthusiastic, which rubs some IPS monitor folks the wrong way. "an absolute steal ... top-of-the-line ... run! Go! Get it now!"

Any computer equipment that is $400 MSRP with regular street price ~$350 ... at $310 is a good sale price, but hardly an "absolute steal".

Any 120Hz monitor (and there are currently only two) is "top-of-the-line" in one specific aspect, but otherwise this one is comparable to an average sub-$200 TN monitor.

And if one is really interested in the 3D aspect, the NVIDIA 3D Vision kit is $250 MSRP !!! (Don't get me wrong, I am a 3D enthusiast, I have an iZ3D monitor. But NVIDIA's prices are outrageous.)

I think what we're seeing is natural technological progression where the premium between 120Hz TN panels and "regular" TN panels continually shrinking. That is certainly a good thing.

P.S. 1920x1080 "full-HD" 120Hz monitors should be coming out soon, e.g. google "ASUS VG242H"

[Txiasaeia]

I guess OP is just a tad over-enthusiastic, which rubs some IPS monitor folks the wrong way. "an absolute steal ... top-of-the-line ... run! Go! Get it now!"

Enthusiasm removed. But man, I had no idea when I posted this deal that it'd be seen in a similar light as recommending Christianity over Islam. And here I thought that Canada was a multi-monitor-technology nation.

[t_mo_t]

Enthusiasm removed. But man, I had no idea when I posted this deal that it'd be seen in a similar light as recommending Christianity over Islam. And here I thought that Canada was a multi-monitor-technology nation.

lol i feel u OP... it's always the 2nd post in the thread that leads all the discussion basically

[effie]

Enthusiasm removed. But man, I had no idea when I posted this deal that it'd be seen in a similar light as recommending Christianity over Islam. And here I thought that Canada was a multi-monitor-technology nation.

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

Thanks for the laugh - you're pretty clever~

[stevethewheel]

Enthusiasm removed. But man, I had no idea when I posted this deal that it'd be seen in a similar light as recommending Christianity over Islam. And here I thought that Canada was a multi-monitor-technology nation.

And I thought with the Political forum gone......

This is a good monitor if you value the 120 Hz. If you don't then obviously there are a lot of 60 Hz monitors out there to choose from with the usual trade-offs of quality and price.

[Airey]

Enthusiasm removed. But man, I had no idea when I posted this deal that it'd be seen in a similar light as recommending Christianity over Islam. And here I thought that Canada was a multi-monitor-technology nation.:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

Thanks for the laugh - you're pretty clever~

+1

Thanks for the laugh. Need more fun spirited mind on the forum.

[dpkform]

Enthusiasm removed. But man, I had no idea when I posted this deal that it'd be seen in a similar light as recommending Christianity over Islam. And here I thought that Canada was a multi-monitor-technology nation.

LOL - especially fun to see noobs making fools of themselves by trying to look intelligent. TN panels are faster for gaming. No serious gamer would use anything other type of LCD.

For excellent, competent, technical monitor reviews, see

http://www.prad.de/en/monitore/reviews.html

I recently tried a whole batch of LCDs with gaming in mind, including the 2233RZ. In fact, I got FS to price beat NCIX's $489 sale on the Nvidia 3d vision glasses + 2233RZ monitor combo. FS will normally sell the 2233RZ together with the 3D glasses at a $599 combo price.

I was NOT that impressed with the 2233RZ monitor in actual gameplay. Even in intense games like UT3, it did not make any difference to my score. Playing in 3d mode, made things much worse. 3D is still fun for some games, but these days, buying anything other than a 1920x1080 panel for gaming, IMO does not make sense, most new games are going to this aspect ratio, even forcing 16:9 - for example FEAR2. As long as your game is pulling frame rates of about 60fps, I did not find any significant benefit to even faster frame rates on the 2233RZ.

The 2233RZ does NOT have zero lag - it does techincally have an average 10ms lag, but you would not notice that. The 2233RZ also has just ONE input - a single dual link DVI connection. It runs very hot for an LCD as well.

My second choice was a BenQ G2410HD, which is currently on sale at Staples for just $199. I returned the BenQ as well, after Best Buy price beat, Dell's current $249 sale on the 2409W, brining my price down to about $237. To top it off, I had a $50 Best buy gift card. This is the monitor I have kept. The 2409W is a true 24 inch - the BenQ is 23.5 inches. The BenQ is essentially as good as the Dell in image quality, and both the Dell and the BenQ always maintain aspect ratio, when image scaling. Samsung is terrible about stretching scaled images.

I also tried and returned an Acer 243hBmid - awful blue image despite adjusting, and tried and returned an Asus 24 inch 16:9 same issue - awful display.

I own, and have owned for a year, a Samsung 2263UW monitor - the best TN panel monitor ever made. Check the prad website - the 2263UW has ZERO input lag. Very nice. But it was time for a 16:9 24 inch monitor for gaming, and although the Dell S2409W apparently has an average lag of about 12ms, it is too little to notice.

I also considered a BenQ E2400HD, based on my positive experience with the BenQ G2410HD. The E2400HD has a true 24 inch screen, and ZERO input lag, but I could not purchase it from a store with no restocking fee. Also online reviews I found comparing the E2400HD and the S2409W, indicated the Dell was slightly better, so with the price beat, my $50 gift card, and the excellent quality of the S2409W, it was my final choice.

Oh and earlier tried a 24 inch Samsung 2463UW, but did not like the 16:10 aspect ratio. Yes, I actually preferred to have a 16:9 monitor with fewer vertical pixels. Since I watch a lot of movies and games on my screen, that is best for me. Also easier on the eyes - a 24 inch TN 16:10 panel, is too much vertical viewing for maximum comfort.

Oh - and lest I forget, I even tried a 32 inch Samsung TV - with a S-PVA panel. It was AWFUL. Connected to a PC at least, it actually had the WORST image of all. So much for superior SPVA panels. Also, unless connected using the analog PC input, text was always ghosted. And the input lag was awful.

If the 3D glasses worked with some decent 24 inch 16:9 monitors, I might have kept the 3d glasses - they were fun at times. But given I already had a superb 22 inch Samsung monitor, paying $479 for the somewhat inferior 2233RZ and 3D glasses just was not worth it.

Hope my recent experience is helpful to others. Heck - it resulted in 5 open box monitor returns, and open box 1 LCD TV return. Hey - I am picky :-) I'm sure BB, FS, and Staples, are glad that I have finally made a final decision - LOL.

Good luck !

Edit: oops - almost forgot. The first new monitor I tried a few weeks ago, was the LG 2453V 16:9 monitor. I returned it because no matter what settings I tried, when I went back to my Samsung 2263UW monitor, my eyes kept thanking me. The LG looks decent enough on its own - but is caused me a lot more eyestrain than my Samsung. Again, I would say the Dell S2409W, and the BenQ monitors are also very easy on the eyes, and very comparable in image quality to the Samsung. So...... make that 6 open box monitor returns, + 1 open box TV - in the end I tried 8 new displays before settling on the Dell S2409W.

[Crash01]

It seems hardly anyone on the internets has been informed of what the real significance of higher refresh rates on an LCD is. I will explain, in hopes that people will spread the word. On a CRT each frame is only displayed for a few milliseconds and is followed by blackness. On an LCD an image is constantly being displayed, so on a 60Hz LCD each frame will be displayed for the full 1000/60=~16.7ms. This 16.7ms is long enough to cause a "retinal burn-in" effect (like the afterimage you get after looking at a lightbulb), which causes the user to perceive motion blur. Obviously, a 120Hz refresh rate halves the display time of each frame, which would reduce perceived motion blur. Note that if your graphics card is not delivering over 60FPS to the monitor then there is no benefit.

Oh, and thanks to the OP for posting this sale, even though I missed it :|

[aos007]

Not all TVs are bad for use as computer monitors, you can't generalize like that. My (now getting old) Sharp LC-D62U46 certainly looks wonderful when hooked to a PC - I made sure to do my research at the time and it paid off. At that time overscan was the order of the day, especially with Samsungs - there was not many TVs capable of 1:1 pixel mapping at 1080p.

Also, while I agree M-PVA monitors which I was mostly buying are troublesome for games (I didn't know about the lag but I was experiencing it as dizziness and motion sickness feeling in some games), my latest monitor the 2209WA works much better both subjectively and objectively. So IPS panels shouldn't be written off for gaming.

And seeing how sensitive I am to frame rates (sick if they're in certain range around 40-50fps), I can definitely vouch the wonderful smoothness of high refresh rates that CRT offers. Alas, I got rid of my last CRT years ago.