49over in a 50km zone

[vaportech]

So 3am coming back from the 24hr groceries. Bought some salad and whey protein.

Got stopped at hwy7 and the railroad tracks before main street, where 70 becomes 50. Coming from the 404 direction.

Apparently I did 49 over 50 zone.

Anyways I asked for a break, officer says he hates people doing that ****, asking if they can be let off or get a break. I said ok I just wanted to ask just to put it out there, cause you never know. He said that is ballsy to ask considering you did 49 over.

Asks for the 3 docs hands insurance and reg back and asks if i ever gotten a ticket before. No I have not.

Goes to the car comes back, says that 2km more over I woulda got booked with the 50 over thing. Tells me again that asking for the break considering how fast I went was pretty ballsy move. (im quoting that because I don't hear people say that often.) Hes like 49 over is a $500 charge and 4 demerit points. In my mind i was like *********CKKKK. Hands back my drivers license and says heres a ticket for 15 over, have a nice night.

Damn...

oh he also said its noted that its a reduced fine and if it ends up in court they will prosecute me for the full amount. he said that in a threatening kind of way. Also said that he doesn't believe in demerit points.

ok..

Now its got me wondering, I know its a nice gesture but still I didn't expect 15 over.

Now I wanna know did he actually get a radar reading, I have HID low beams and Halogen fog lamps on, don't know if that messes with the radar since its two different types of light, then again light travels at the same speed but idk.

Also since he threatened or warned about the court thing and being prosecuted, does it mean he is scared that he might not get the prosecution if he put 49over because obvious I would fight it win or lose.

I don't know so many scenarios playing through my head now.

Also, I saw him before I passed him but was already going to fast, he pulled out after me, so even before his lights turned on I already parked and turned off my car in a nearby empty parking lot. I don't know if that helps, probably means I was paying attention?

[tjthemanto]

Dude you are extremely lucky..just pay the 15 km/hr over ( reduced charge ) & move on .

If he had hit you with the 50 km/hr as opposed to the 49 km/hr you were allegedly/actually doing your car would have been towed/impounded on the spot , 7 day lic suspension etc ...no arguments from your side etc ... Ofcourse you can fight this charge in court later on but on the spot with the street racing/stunt driving charge you can't do anything .

These days the cops almost always show up at traffic courts for the OT so don't take your chances .

Still at the end of the day its upto you - If you want to still fight it go ahead.

[bfr]

Dude just pay the fine. And don't even bother with the whole radar thing - you have no clue how radars work for sure. The lights do not mess it up.

[vaportech]

Dude just pay the fine. And don't even bother with the whole radar thing - you have no clue how radars work for sure. The lights do not mess it up.

How does it work then?

[TenzoR]

You got lots of reading to do if you want to fight this ticket. Defintely should check out a couple threads in this forum and maybe PM the OP for some advice.

[ricoboxing]

do you really know how fast you were going? If you know you were really going 49 over, then just pay the ticket.

[CanadianMoFo]

He knows how fast he was going. He just doesn't want to come right out and say it.

[Rekognize]

OP, you got a break from the office. Just pay the fine. :)

[ES_Revenge]

Anyways I asked for a break, officer says he hates people doing that ****, asking if they can be let off or get a break. I said ok I just wanted to ask just to put it out there, cause you never know. He said that is ballsy to ask considering you did 49 over.
LOL and what did you expect him to say? "Sure sir, I'll let you off with a warning, have a nice night!" :lol: Lemme guess you also go into a car dealership to buy a car and tell them "I want a deal"?

Tip, never ask an officer for any kind of break, also never try to justify or make excuses or (God forbid) start an argument with them at the roadside. Best routes to go are apologetic (but not admitting to anything) or just plain play stupid, lol. Pulled over at the roadside by a cop is never a time for negotiations, pleading/explanations, arguments or anything of the sort. Just keep your mouth shut, take your ticket(s), thank the officer and be glad he/she didn't make it any worse for you. If there's something to say, save it for the courtroom where you're not at the mercy of the officer. Now in your case you got lucky but it could have easily went the other way too.

And in your case going 49 over in ON, it's a gift in itself that he didn't charge you with stunting instead which he easily could have. On top of that he then actually gave you a break and not just any break, a huge one! A ticket for 15 over when you could have had your car towed and license suspended?

Honestly I don't usually say this, but dude just pay the ticket already. You should have kissed the officer when he gave you a ticket for 15 over, lol.

As for your HIDs and fogs messing up the RADAR--LMFAO :lol: That's one for the books man really one for the books. Imagine if that were the case in real life. Why would they spend billions and billions in the aircraft industry developing stealth jets like the F22, etc? Why not just put some HIDs and halogens on the planes and call it a day? hahahaha jokes :lol:

[tyfriend]

Why did he pull you over? He certainly didn't have a speed trap set up or use a radar gun.

Regardless he gave you a decent break. I would pay the ticket and not bother taking it to court. Although I do believe they do this just so the cop can get an uncontested conviction.

[slowtyper]

First I would consult with one of the traffic defense guys. If you can pay them to fight it so that you won't get demerits, I'd say its worth it. But get some good advice from a couple places first because it sounds like this cop would really **************CCCCCCKKK you over if you went to court.

[dondada83]

OP, there is nothing to think about here. Pay the fine and move on.

[dphythian]

oh he also said its noted that its a reduced fine and if it ends up in court they will prosecute me for the full amount.

Last time I was in traffic court, they tried to do that to the guy ahead of me. Judge didn't allow them to, but I guess that doesn't mean a different judge wouldn't.

[Rekognize]

Last time I was in traffic court, they tried to do that to the guy ahead of me. Judge didn't allow them to, but I guess that doesn't mean a different judge wouldn't.

last time I was in traffic court, they did that to some guy because he wouldn't take a plea bargain and he's obviously at fault.

Btw, on the ticket, under conditions (I think), if it says "R" then that means it's a reduced charge.

[golden]

You're damn lucky to get down to 15km/h over if you were indeed 49 over. Pay it and get it over with.

[MS MSP]

Apparently I did 49 over 50 zone.

Now its got me wondering, I know its a nice gesture but still I didn't expect 15 over.

And what exactly did you expect to get? Off scot free with a warning?

:confused:

Pay the ticket and frankly you should have thanked the officer for being as generous as he was.

First I would consult with one of the traffic defense guys. If you can pay them to fight it so that you won't get demerits, I'd say its worth it. But get some good advice from a couple places first because it sounds like this cop would really **************CCCCCCKKK you over if you went to court.

15 over is already no demerit points and I think a $50 fine. Why would you pay a paralegal money to reduce a $50 fine?

[gilboman]

Usually i'm telling people to fight the ticket. But you got a big break and 49km/h over in a 50km/h zone:confused: That's just plain wrong.

[motomondo]

You have some options, but you need to consider them carefully... basically pay the ticket and move on, or fight it

First of all, as you know, it is your right to ask for a court date and defend yourself against the charge. The officer should not threaten you with a higher penalty if you decide to exercise your rights.

Another thing - given the new RULES (http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/showthread.php?t=788434) I doubt that the JP would go back to the original speed. If he does, the ticket shall be dismissed at appeal.

I just had a great experience – my paralegal got my ticket from last summer dismissed (the ticket was for 47 over the limit). He is a good paralegal, obviously very competent. If you want, I can give you his number, you can ask him for his opinion. PM me if you want to go that way

[Jon Lai]

OP, you asked for a break and you got one. Why are you complaining?

Don't be too greedy now ;)

[crashcourse]

since you're on a lucky streak fight the ticket, you might win!

[slowtyper]

15 over is already no demerit points and I think a $50 fine. Why would you pay a paralegal money to reduce a $50 fine?

Sorry I wasn't aware that there were no demerits for only 15 over, in my last province you'd definitely get them!

However, what I had actually meant to say was that I would fight it to keep it off my record. If you poay the $50 fine then your insurance, presumably, goes up. Thats almost always worth fighting.

[a89aries]

I have HID low beams and Halogen fog lamps on, don't know if that messes with the radar since its two different types of light, then again light travels at the same speed but idk.

OMG! Quote of the week right there! :lol:

[Tomy]

i was thinking like that before...until it happened to me.


just take hwy 7 and kennedy for example..for those that are not familiar with that area, it turns from 70--> 50 km/hr after the train track.

Cops will be there every weekend, standing RIGHT bside the 50 km/hr sign, point their trusty laser towards at cars which are going 70 km/hr or more.... here's the scenario

1. if ur not familiarize with the area, you will get dinged by the time u see the 50 sign

2. u were going 70 km/hr, u get there, u get dinged for going 20 over.

3. u were going 80 km/hr... u get there, u get a ticket for 30 over.

4. u like to speed, going 100 km/hr, the worst u can do is get 30 over and u wouldnt mind taking full responsibility for the 30 over ticket..and bam, ur car gets towed for street racing.

cops love to hide behind these ambigious change of speed and ding you for it. it is our fault for speeding, i agree, but abusing this change of speed especially if aimming far enough, u can ding people going 70km/hr.
Anyway, have you ever seen a radar trap set up at the 70 km/hr spot? nope, never.

and why are cops hiding behind bushes and trees.
fyi, i did not get caught on that street.



lol it could be both for a cop though..

as i've said :(
good luck op...
you should just pay the ticket if you did commit the offense since this is a minor ticket and it'll only be there for 3 years in the eye of the insurance.

but if u didnt on the other hand, i suggest u fight it!!!

[vaportech]

What I was saying when I got that 15 ticket was that it was a huge break and I didn't expect it.

Also yea I was probably going 99 down the 70 but I don't know, I easily could have been going more.

I just said I usually slow down before the track, he said that the speed limit changes before the track. Yea I was apologetic and yea I did pull up next to him after I got the ticket asked if he wanted a coffee since hes out here all night, he said no of course.

I'm just curious because I don't think I got radared(no mention of it btw, in initial conversation). I'm thinking I got stopped because I slowed down rapidly when I saw him and I parked in a parking lot.

Yea this is a huge break, im not saying it isn't but again its better to have no ticket on record then 1.

[vaportech]

as i've said :(
good luck op...
you should just pay the ticket if you did commit the offense since this is a minor ticket and it'll only be there for 3 years in the eye of the insurance.

but if u didnt on the other hand, i suggest u fight it!!!

its 50 before the tracks. Its 50 starting from that first road before the track. started with a S

[DragonZealot]

Request a court date and request disclosure and take it from there.

The disclosure will tell how the cop clocked you.

Why you parked you car if the cop is not chasing you??

[vaportech]

Request a court date and request disclosure and take it from there.

The disclosure will tell how the cop clocked you.

Why you parked you car if the cop is not chasing you??

Cause I knew he was gonna pull me over either way, and its safer to pull into a parking lot. I knew i was going to fast, just don't know how fast.

[DragonZealot]

:lol:

How did you know he was clocking you when your vehicle was approaching his cruiser? May be he was doing some paperwork.

You should not have to turn yourself in.

[vaportech]

:lol:

How did you know he was clocking you when your vehicle was approaching his cruiser? May be he was doing some paperwork.

You should not have to turn yourself in.

Nono, when I passed him, he was already pulling out, I saw that before I stopped to park. He was going to pull me over either way, at least I can pull over in an empty parking lot rather than a 2 lane road. Cause you never know.

[boredstudent3]

if u wanted to pull over in a safe location then wait for the cherries and then slow down and make the next turn into a side street or parking lot...

don't turn urself in, u just made urself look even more guilty,

in order to determine if he clocked u on radar or not u should've asked to see the radar reading when u got the ticket at roadside

[SamsonLi]

if u wanted to pull over in a safe location then wait for the cherries and then slow down and make the next turn into a side street or parking lot...

don't turn urself in, u just made urself look even more guilty,

in order to determine if he clocked u on radar or not u should've asked to see the radar reading when u got the ticket at roadside

By asking to see the radar is asking to get slapped in the face. Cops will not appreciate your doubt in what they are claiming. Bad suggestion. If you were going too fast, you will know it and asking is pointless.

On a side note, I saw the exact same cop and I normally fly through that block but slowed down to 60 yesterday. Lucky me lol

[DaVibe]

Christmas came early for you.

[Buggy166]

go to court for the 15km over...i wanna see you get burned. im amazed you posted this.

they will prosecute you for the 49 over instead and the cop will most definately come up just because you'd piss him off by doing this. Id wish you good luck but you've already had it.

[joey3k]

In almost all circumstances I would say fight this BUT man you got the break of a life time, i've never heard of such an amazing break...

which might mean 2 things:

a) he has insufficient evidence that you were going 49 over

OR

b) he put himself in your shoes at 3am at night on hwy 7, just wanting to get home after a quick grocery run, and felt genuienly 'bad' that you were unlucky enough to be driving by a cop going 49 over ... on a HIGHWAY that has abrupt speed limit changes through out that area.
therefore he reduced to 15 over...

either way if it was me I would PAY IT in this case, and I'd never want to see him again :)

[Anonymouse]

Reductions of that degree are unheard of unless you were wearing a priest's collar or a Tim Horton's uniform.

You may want to plead not guilty and get the disclosure. It is conceivable that he has no evidence and is bluffing. You can always change your plea and just pay the fine.

[motomondo]

By asking to see the radar is asking to get slapped in the face. Cops will not appreciate your doubt in what they are claiming. Bad suggestion. If you were going too fast, you will know it and asking is pointless.

On a side note, I saw the exact same cop and I normally fly through that block but slowed down to 60 yesterday. Lucky me lol

I disagree with that just because it is a very general statement.

In one of my tickets from last year, I asked the officer to see the radar and he not only showed it to me, but gave me a quick lesson in how to use it... he showed me how to lock the speed and what the numbers on the display mean - speed, distance, direction. It was pretty cool.

[lexani]

Wow, OP is analyzing about why he got hit with a 15 over ticket instead of 49 over. Somebody has too much time on their hands.

Just like everyone else says, Pay the damn ticket.

[gherikill]

go to court for the 15km over...i wanna see you get burned. im amazed you posted this.

they will prosecute you for the 49 over instead and the cop will most definately come up just because you'd piss him off by doing this. Id wish you good luck but you've already had it.

Can they really charge you for the original amount after it has been reduced? Does anyone have and first hand experience in fighting roadside reduced tickets?

[jeeva86]

Can they really charge you for the original amount after it has been reduced? Does anyone have and first hand experience in fighting roadside reduced tickets?

I'm wondering the same thing. Does it say on the ticket that it's been reduced? If there is some track of it, how can cops do this?

[CanadianMoFo]

I'm wondering the same thing. Does it say on the ticket that it's been reduced? If there is some track of it, how can cops do this?

Most write "R" in one of the small boxes near the bottom right corner of the ticket. There will also be mention of it in his notes.

CM

[dk1021]

I got trapped at the exact same place and around same time last summer too. I swear that's the best place to catch people since it turns from 70 to 50 for about one intersection and goes back to 70. I was doing about 20ish over since it was 70 before that zone and the lady reduced it to 10 over or something since it was my first ticket as well. I just paid it and move on lol.. So much for the clean record.

[Buggy166]

I'm wondering the same thing. Does it say on the ticket that it's been reduced? If there is some track of it, how can cops do this?


the short of it is yes. specially since i believe the data is still recorded and comes to the cops discretion/will in the end.

[vaportech]

God damn it irony is I wanted to go to the arcade at commerce gate and play some maximum tune 3 and initial d 4. by the time i got there they were closed and I guess I just sped home cause I still wanted to play and I guess I was unconsciously thinking about it. Yea I did buy groceries at the metro in Richmond hill on major mac. took 404 to the hwy 7 and went to commerce gate, it was closed =(, couldn't get my fix and ended up speeding.

I'm still pretty sure I went over 50 but idk.. I know I was doing 100 down hwy 7 on the 70, I don't even know but the more I think about it I was doing more then 49km.

So IDK.

I posted this because its so unusual to get such a big break from $500 dollar fine to $50.

Doesn't seem like a cash grab or anything.

I still think the officer had insufficient evidence and pulled me over to educate me and give me a such a sweet deal that I couldn't pass up, got me wondering that's all.

Yea I know I was speeding, no I'm not trying to dodge blame, I'm just trying to figure out if he has legit evidence against me.

Also, yea there is an "R" in the bottom cornor of the ticket under the Code box says : "R/99"

[vaportech]

I got trapped at the exact same place and around same time last summer too. I swear that's the best place to catch people since it turns from 70 to 50 for about one intersection and goes back to 70. I was doing about 20ish over since it was 70 before that zone and the lady reduced it to 10 over or something since it was my first ticket as well. I just paid it and move on lol.. So much for the clean record.

Yea from 70 to 50 before the tracks, 50 because there are a lot of small stores and stuff that have small parking spaces and people won't be able to pull out from them when everyone is going 70. Also Main street is a residential road so it makes sense. After Kennedy its 70 km cause everything isn't so cluttered.

[vaportech]

if u wanted to pull over in a safe location then wait for the cherries and then slow down and make the next turn into a side street or parking lot...

don't turn urself in, u just made urself look even more guilty,

in order to determine if he clocked u on radar or not u should've asked to see the radar reading when u got the ticket at roadside

Naw I already knew he was going to pull me over, no point waiting.

Just makes it seem like I'm paying attention anyways, yea also does make me look guilty but either way I was still getting pulled over, least I could get some leniency from least noticing that he was watching and was going to pull me over.

[mkerian]

Dude, stop analyzing. You have two options.

1: Thank the Good Lord and pay the ticket.

2: Fight it and have to face the cop in court, as well as the potential for greater consequences.

I know what I would do.

As for headlamps interrupting radar waves....:confused:

[Gloaming]

For the first time ever in one of these threads, I'm going to tell the OP to go to court and fight this ticket!!!!

[User Name]

Why don't you do what someone suggested and get a court date and ask for disclosure. If it doesn't look good then you can always plead guilty before the date and pay the fine. I think the only reason you got a break was because as someone said, the guy was probably chillin in his car and you sped by. He knew you were speeding, you knew you were speeding, but he didn't have the goods to nail you so gave you a smaller ticket and scare some sense into you. Although, the R/99 seems to indicate that he clocked you at 99 which is 49 over the limit of 50.

[gamer123]

set a court date, request a disclosure to see if hes bluffing :twisted: