Americans to buy more U.S. made tires......not because they are a better deal

[MasterXan]

In one of his first major decisions on trade policy, President Obama opted Friday to impose a tariff on tires from China, a move that fulfills his campaign promise to "crack down" on imports that unfairly undermine American workers but risks angering the nation's second-largest trading partner.

The decision is intended to bolster the ailing U.S. tire industry, in which more than 5,000 jobs have been lost over the past five years as the volume of Chinese tires in the market has tripled.

It comes at a sensitive time, however. Leaders from the world's largest economies are preparing to gather in Pittsburgh in less than two weeks to discuss more cooperation amid tensions over trade.

The tire tariff will amount to 35 percent the first year, 30 percent the second and 25 percent the third.

Although a federal trade panel had recommended higher levies -- of 55, 45 and 35 percent, respectively -- the decision is considered a victory for the United Steelworkers union, which filed the trade complaint.

"The president sent the message that we expect others to live by the rules, just as we do," Leo W. Gerard, president of the union, said Friday night.

China's government and its tire manufacturers, as well as tire importers and some U.S. tire makers with plants overseas, had strenuously objected to the measure.

"The President decided to remedy the clear disruption to the U.S. tire industry based on the facts and the law in this case," the White House said in a statement released Friday night.

Obama's decision signals a marked shift from the policy of the Bush administration, which had rejected taking action in four similar cases it reviewed.

The union complaint was filed under a law Congress passed in 2000 that allows the United States to impose tariffs and other trade protections if a surge in Chinese imports damages a U.S. industry.

China agreed to the provision while negotiating to join the World Trade Organization, but until Friday the general "safeguard" provisions of the law had never been invoked.

Critics warned that if the general "safeguard," which expires in four years, was never used to protect American workers from Chinese imports, then political support for free trade would be eroded.

"Since China joined the WTO, American workers have not been assured that the government would defend them against unfair trade," Sen. Sherrod Brown (D-Ohio) said.

The tariff, which will take effect Sept. 26, represents the first such case under the law for Obama, and his decision has been highly anticipated.

During the campaign, he had pledged to "crack down on China" and "work to ensure that China is no longer given a free pass to undermine U.S. workers," as his Web site put it.

But his commitment to that point of view was thrown into doubt during the primaries when a Canadian official said an Obama adviser had privately characterized his tough stance on the North American Free Trade Agreement as political posturing.

Marguerite Trossevin, who represents a coalition of U.S. tire companies that import Chinese tires, said the tariff decision is "very disappointing." She predicted price increases for U.S. consumers and losses for U.S. tire importers.

"For the U.S. tire distributors and consumers, there's going to be a heavy burden to bear," she said. "It sends the message that special interests will get protection if they ask for it -- regardless of what that means for broader trade policy."

China's Ministry of Commerce said in a statement early Saturday that the move violated WTO rules. "China strongly opposes this serious act of trade protectionism by the U.S," the ministry said, according to the Associated Press.

Not surprisingly, there were conflicting predictions about what effect the tariff might have on the U.S. industry.

Supporters said the measure would have only a negligible effect on the price of tires and would lead U.S. manufacturers to invest in their U.S. plants.

The tariff's detractors said higher tire prices could lead some consumers to wait longer before replacing tires, creating a safety risk. Moreover, they said, the tariff won't result in more jobs. Tires will simply come in from other low-cost countries, they say, and U.S. manufacturers, keep making their cheaper tires in China.

"U.S. tire manufacturers years ago decided to move production of low end tires off-shore," said David Spooner, a lawyer representing the Chinese tire industry. "Frankly, a temporary tariff is not going to get them to change their business plan."


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/09/11/AR2009091103957_pf.html

interesting read about tires and the economy and NOTHING ELSE.

I don't know if there are any tires made in Canada but I certainly hope we won't suffer from high priced tires as well.

[ES_Revenge]

I didn't bother reading the whole story all I read was China and tyres and I read enough.

If you are buying tyres made in China to get a "better deal", I really really fear for the safety of not only you but anyone else on the road.

Should we buy tyres made in the US despite them not being a better deal than tyres made in China? You're Goddamn right we should!!!

China can "strongly oppose" :rolleyes: whatever the damn hell they want for all I care. If it were up to me I'd be putting a tariff on a whole lot more than just tyres from China. First I'd ban anything to do with cars/transportation as well as children that came from China; next I'd put a tariff on all the rest of the garbage they export here as well. About the only thing that wouldn't get banned or tariffed from China should be, well, actual china (plates and crap, lol).

Oh and 35% is waaaay too little a tariff too. It should be fifty....thousand percent. Keep that garbage off my roads thanks. There's enough problems with road safety, we don't need cars riding around on shoddy China-made crap to make it worse.

[Piro21]

So what exactly is 'undermining US workers'? The Chinese are building tires that are obviously good enough for the majority of the American tire-buying populace at a price that beats out their US counterparts. The American tire companies either need to step up the advertising or lobby for better tire safety standards. The fact that the US, champions of "**** the poor, the free market is always the best way!" is resorting to this sort of protectionism is just sad from a societal point of view. Things go a little wrong and all of a sudden they all turn into socialists running to the government to protect them.

[flamey_mcflame]

I didn't bother reading the whole story all I read was China and tyres and I read enough.

If you are buying tyres made in China to get a "better deal", I really really fear for the safety of not only you but anyone else on the road.

Should we buy tyres made in the US despite them not being a better deal than tyres made in China? You're Goddamn right we should!!!

China can "strongly oppose" :rolleyes: whatever the damn hell they want for all I care. If it were up to me I'd be putting a tariff on a whole lot more than just tyres from China. First I'd ban anything to do with cars/transportation as well as children that came from China; next I'd put a tariff on all the rest of the garbage they export here as well. About the only thing that wouldn't get banned or tariffed from China should be, well, actual china (plates and crap, lol).

Oh and 35% is waaaay too little a tariff too. It should be fifty....thousand percent. Keep that garbage off my roads thanks. There's enough problems with road safety, we don't need cars riding around on shoddy China-made crap to make it worse.

Man, I've read enough of your posts to know that you are anti anything that isn't U.S. or a borderline xenophobe. You have zero credibility. Must be tough being you.

[Pete_Coach]

...... First I'd ban anything to do with cars/transportation as well as children that came from China; next I'd put a tariff on all the rest of the garbage they export here as well. About the only thing that wouldn't get banned or tariffed from China should be, well, actual china (plates and crap, lol).
Oh and 35% is waaaay too little a tariff too. It should be fifty....thousand percent. Keep that garbage off my roads thanks. There's enough problems with road safety, we don't need cars riding around on shoddy China-made crap to make it worse.
You have a serious anti Sino problem I think. If the product that are imported from China (or any other Country for that matter) meet the required standards (in this case DOT), there should be no problem importing and using them. Fair trade and all that. There is as much proof of failed American products as there is of imported (irrespective of the Country) goods. Heaven forbid any other Country tries to put a tariff on American goods coming into their Country, geez, the Americans would seriously consider invading the place to make sure their corn flakes and deodorant gets in!
So what exactly is 'undermining US workers'? The Chinese are building tires that are obviously good enough for the majority of the American tire-buying populace at a price that beats out their US counterparts. The American tire companies either need to step up the advertising or lobby for better tire safety standards. The fact that the US, champions of "**** the poor, the free market is always the best way!" is resorting to this sort of protectionism is just sad from a societal point of view. Things go a little wrong and all of a sudden they all turn into socialists running to the government to protect them.
I agree, I am seeing that as well.

[smartie]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/09/11/AR2009091103957_pf.html

interesting read about tires and the economy and NOTHING ELSE.

I don't know if there are any tires made in Canada but I certainly hope we won't suffer from high priced tires as well.

I guess we don't impose tariff on crap,if we do impose tariff ,I guess the only reason is those products are better than yours,in the other word,they are competitive

[B0000rt]

I guess we don't impose tariff on crap,if we do impose tariff ,I guess the only reason is those products are better than yours,in the other word,they are competitive

Canada doesn't like to impose tarrifs, they give out subsidies instead :lol:

[l69norm]

The quality must be OK. Chinese made Hankook tires were OEM on some Ford products.

[googoo]

LOve it! and China loves putting tariffs on things too!

http://china.org.cn/english/business/243308.htm

Brent

[tokajim]

Man, I've read enough of your posts to know that you are anti anything that isn't U.S. or a borderline xenophobe. You have zero credibility. Must be tough being you.

Borderline nothing, he's a complete xenophobe. It's alright to borrow trillions from the Chinese to keep your own government afloat and continually live in your inflated standard of living but when it comes to 'open trade' and free competition then China isn't good enough. If their tires are trash then don't buy them, consumers are obviously saying a lot with their money.

[Pete_Coach]

Borderline nothing, he's a complete xenophobe. It's alright to borrow trillions from the Chinese to keep your own government afloat and continually live in your inflated standard of living but when it comes to 'open trade' and free competition then China isn't good enough. If their tires are trash then don't buy them, consumers are obviously saying a lot with their money.
Ok now, lets not go tipping the scale the other direction. While I agree the sentiment was a bit skewed, yours is a tad on the other direction. :)

[KorruptioN]

First I'd ban anything to do with cars/transportation as well as children that came from China; next I'd put a tariff on all the rest of the garbage they export here as well. About the only thing that wouldn't get banned or tariffed from China should be, well, actual china (plates and crap, lol).

You're taking your constant holier-than-thou attitude a little too far, yet again.

For what it's worth, the Chinese tires that came with my mom's Altima were pretty terrible.

[Jon Lai]

I didn't bother reading the whole story all I read was China and tyres and I read enough.

If you are buying tyres made in China to get a "better deal", I really really fear for the safety of not only you but anyone else on the road.

Should we buy tyres made in the US despite them not being a better deal than tyres made in China? You're Goddamn right we should!!!

China can "strongly oppose" :rolleyes: whatever the damn hell they want for all I care. If it were up to me I'd be putting a tariff on a whole lot more than just tyres from China. First I'd ban anything to do with cars/transportation as well as children that came from China; next I'd put a tariff on all the rest of the garbage they export here as well. About the only thing that wouldn't get banned or tariffed from China should be, well, actual china (plates and crap, lol).

Oh and 35% is waaaay too little a tariff too. It should be fifty....thousand percent. Keep that garbage off my roads thanks. There's enough problems with road safety, we don't need cars riding around on shoddy China-made crap to make it worse.

Spelling tires tyres doesn't make you sound cooler.

[ES_Revenge]

Man, I've read enough of your posts to know that you are anti anything that isn't U.S. or a borderline xenophobe. You have zero credibility. Must be tough being you.
ROFLCOPTER!!! Wait I have zero credibility because a 2-post n00b with a name like "flamey_mcflame" says so? hahahahahahahahahaha
hahahahahaha

Okay I'm done now I thi....

hahahahahahahahahahaha

Nope not yet I guess....

hahahahaha :lol:

Unreal.

You have a serious anti Sino problem I think. If the product that are imported from China (or any other Country for that matter) meet the required standards (in this case DOT), there should be no problem importing and using them. Fair trade and all that. There is as much proof of failed American products as there is of imported (irrespective of the Country) goods. Heaven forbid any other Country tries to put a tariff on American goods coming into their Country, geez, the Americans would seriously consider invading the place to make sure their corn flakes and deodorant gets in!
Yeah well think what you want. When China floods are market with all kinds of garbage that does things like

-Cause cancer
-Poisons people, particularly children
-Catches fire
-Causes accidents
-Just breaks in less than a year from being absolute shoddily made garbage
-Eliminates jobs and puts people out of work, ruining our economy
-And more

Then yeah you're damn straight I'm gonna say something about it! And DOT scmot. DOT approves all-seasons too and they are another garbage made right here in Can/US as it is :rolleyes:

And then wait what's the icing on the cake? The communist Chinese government! Yay! Because if you go there and say, want to start a political party? Or perhaps want to speak out about the government? Why well you basically get shot in the street by the state. Good times for people living in or going to China :rolleyes: And those sons of b!thches are making huge $$$$ to support that kind of disgusting rule? From all the junk they import here? :confused:

Whatever. You policially nice/correct guys think whatever the hell you want. I am strongly against this clear idiocy and couldn't give a rat's behind what you want to say about me saying it. China can go f#(# themselves for all I care. Them and their garbage will burn in hell, I will tell you that much.

Oh and it has nothing to do with being anti-anything non-US or "borderlilne xenophobe" :rolleyes: or any of that other bullcrap. Hundreds of other companies import things to Canada or the US, and most I don't have a problem with. Most don't flood the market with questionable quality and unsafe garbage. And most also don't have a ridiculous "government" in place either, do they? Why the hell should our economies in the free world go down the drain while China goes on profiting over it and continuing to subject their citizens to things that we certainly don't believe in over here?

Why the hell should I support an economy of a country that subjects its citizens to all kinds of human rights violations and is communist to boot? What kind of twisted world is it when a communist country makes insane amounts of $$$ by exporting goods to the capitalist world? And not only exporting goods, exporting garbage ones at that.

Now is everything from China poor quality? No probably not. But the most of it it is. And do I buy stuff made in China. Yeah of course I do, because what the heck can you find not made in China anymore??? Also what can you find that lasts more than a year or two, if that? Just garbage made that goes in the garbage as products get more and more disposable, fill landfills and then we buy more garbage :rolleyes: All in the name of saving a dollar, a dollar which people find out all too late isn't really savings at all. When people die, get sick, lose jobs, lose their homes, etc. over this "savings", what have they really saved?

You're taking your constant holier-than-thou attitude a little too far, yet again.
I couldn't care less. I know the garbage that comes from China quite well. There are already enough auto parts coming in from China which cause all sorts of problems as it is. What happens when we start equipping our aircraft with a majority of China-made parts, what then? What happens when we actually get full cars made in China? Has anyone seen the crash tests of a lot of the cars made over there? And don't tell me that DOT/NHTSA/Transport Canada is going to get in the way of a dollar bill and political goals of politicians that will undoubtedly eventually let this nonsense happen. All while laughing all the way to the bank with the blood of the citizens they walk over on the way there, on their hands.

Also, just as a note I do take offence as to the way you emphasised words in what I said in order to twist them around to serve some screwed up agenda of yours or whatever reasons you have :mad: You made it out so it looked like I said I would ban "children that came from China" which is NOT in any form shape or way what I mean and you know it. Fairly disgusting to have to see someone do that to what I said. What I meant was, for those that actually read your quote thinking that is what I was saying, is not that I would ban children from China, I would ban anything to do with children, that came from China. I.e. Toys, milk/food, etc. because there is way too much risk for kids to be playing with that crap. For the record I have nothing against children (or people otherwise) coming to Canada from China. In fact I encourage them to get away from a place like China, for their own good.

While I may be forced into buying products made in China as everything is made there these days, you can be damn sure that I will never put a made in China part on a car I drive thanks, not unless the only part available is from China (and God forbid when that happens 'cause we're doomed). Doing so, particularly when it comes to safety items like tyres is irresponsible, dangerous, and only puts yourself, your loved ones, and everyone else's lives on the road at risk. But hey most people do that with no-season "tyres" as it is, because nobody gives a damn about road safety because all the problems are, you guessed it, caused by:
-Street racers
-Young people
-"Them" (I.e. any other scapegoat out there that people and the government want to put it on--anyone other than themselves.)

Borderline nothing, he's a complete xenophobe. It's alright to borrow trillions from the Chinese to keep your own government afloat and continually live in your inflated standard of living but when it comes to 'open trade' and free competition then China isn't good enough. If their tires are trash then don't buy them, consumers are obviously saying a lot with their money.

Call me whatever you want, because I couldn't care less. Go ahead and "save a lot" while you put your life at risk as well your wife, kids, dog, niece/nephew, etc. as well as mine and everyone elses, just to save a goddamn dollar. When you're burning in a fire from an accident caused by "saving a lot", don't come back crying about it saying how the government should have protected you from buying that garbage.

Any move by the govenment to stop garbage from being put on our roads and in our marketplace from not only China but any place like China (in terms of low quality products, their treatment of their own citizens, etc.) is a good move in my book. And that's all I'm going to say about that. Though this isn't really pertinent to us (becuase it's a US tariff) I still support it, regardless.

[porkchop009]

ROFLCOPTER!!! Wait I have zero credibility because a 2-post n00b with a name like "flamey_mcflame" says so? hahahahahahahahahaha
hahahahahaha

Okay I'm done now I thi....

hahahahahahahahahahaha

Nope not yet I guess....

hahahahaha :lol:

Unreal.


Yeah well think what you want. When China floods are market with all kinds of garbage that does things like

-Cause cancer
-Poisons people, particularly children
-Catches fire
-Causes accidents
-Just breaks in less than a year from being absolute shoddily made garbage
-Eliminates jobs and puts people out of work, ruining our economy
-And more

Then yeah you're damn straight I'm gonna say something about it! And DOT scmot. DOT approves all-seasons too and they are another garbage made right here in Can/US as it is :rolleyes:

And then wait what's the icing on the cake? The communist Chinese government! Yay! Because if you go there and say, want to start a political party? Or perhaps want to speak out about the government? Why well you basically get shot in the street by the state. Good times for people living in or going to China :rolleyes: And those sons of b!thches are making huge $$$$ to support that kind of disgusting rule? From all the junk they import here? :confused:

Whatever. You policially nice/correct guys think whatever the hell you want. I am strongly against this clear idiocy and couldn't give a rat's behind what you want to say about me saying it. China can go f#(# themselves for all I care. Them and their garbage will burn in hell, I will tell you that much.

Oh and it has nothing to do with being anti-anything non-US or "borderlilne xenophobe" :rolleyes: or any of that other bullcrap. Hundreds of other companies import things to Canada or the US, and most I don't have a problem with. Most don't flood the market with questionable quality and unsafe garbage. And most also don't have a ridiculous "government" in place either, do they? Why the hell should our economies in the free world go down the drain while China goes on profiting over it and continuing to subject their citizens to things that we certainly don't believe in over here?

Why the hell should I support an economy of a country that subjects its citizens to all kinds of human rights violations and is communist to boot. What kind of twisted world is it when a communist country makes insane amounts of $$$ by exporting goods to democratic ones? And not only exporting goods, exporting garbage ones at that.

Now is everything from China poor quality? No probably not. But the most of it it is. And do I buy stuff made in China. Yeah of course I do, because what the heck can you find not made in China anymore??? Also what can you find that lasts more than a year or two, if that? Just garbage made that goes in the garbage as products get more and more disposable, fill landfills and then we buy more garbage :rolleyes: All in the name of saving a dollar, a dollar which people find out all too late isn't really savings at all. When people die, get sick, lose jobs, lose their homes, etc. over this "savings", what have they really saved?


I couldn't care less. I know the garbage that comes from China quite well. There are already enough auto parts coming in from China which cause all sorts of problems as it is. What happens when we start equipping our aircraft with a majority of China-made parts, what then? What happens when we actually get full cars made in China? Has anyone seen the crash tests of a lot of the cars made over there? And don't tell me that DOT/NHTSA/Transport Canada is going to get in the way of a dollar bill and political goals of politicians that will undoubtedly eventually let this nonsense happen. All while laughing all the way to the bank with the blood of the citizens they walk over on the way there, on their hands.

Also, just as a note I do take offence as to the way you emphasised words in what I said in order to twist them around to serve some screwed up agenda of yours or whatever reasons you have :mad: You made it out so it looked like I said I would ban "children that came from China" which is NOT in any form shape or way what I mean and you know it. Fairly disgusting to have to see someone do that to what I said. What I meant was, for those that actually read your quote thinking that is what I was saying, is not that I would ban children from China, I would ban anything to do with children, that came from China. I.e. Toys, milk/food, etc. because there is way too much risk for kids to be playing with that crap. For the record I have nothing against children (or people otherwise) coming to Canada from China. In fact I encourage them to get away from a place like China, for their own good.

While I may be forced into buying products made in China as everything is made there these days, you can be damn sure that I will never put a made in China part on a car I drive thanks, not unless the only part available is from China (and God forbid when that happens 'cause we're doomed). Doing so, particularly when it comes to safety items like tyres is irresponsible, dangerous, and only puts yourself, your loved ones, and everyone else's lives on the road at risk. But hey most people do that with no-season "tyres" as it is, because nobody gives a damn about road safety because all the problems are, you guessed it, caused by:
-Street racers
-Young people
-"Them" (I.e. any other scapegoat out there that people and the government want to put it on--anyone other than themselves.)



Call me whatever you want, because I couldn't care less. Go ahead and "save a lot" while you put your life at risk as well your wife, kids, dog, niece/nephew, etc. as well as mine and everyone elses, just to save a goddamn dollar. When you're burning in a fire from an accident caused by "saving a lot", don't come back crying about it saying how the government should have protected you from buying that garbage.

Any move by the govenment to stop garbage from being put on our roads and in our marketplace from not only China but any place like China (in terms of low quality products, their treatment of their own citizens, etc.) is a good move in my book. And that's all I'm going to say about that.

better dead than red.

You're honestly deluded if you think that China is in any way shape or form a communist country. While we're talking about human rights abuses, don't even pretend like you care. If you actually care about human rights abuses you'd be boycotting everything from pretty much every single country.

It's amazing that there's still so many of them damn *****s despite their killing themselves off with poisonous, dangerous, cancer-causing products, right?


China's auto sector is one of the largest in the world. The domestically engineered cars had a lot of problems early on, but they're getting much much better (where have I heard this before? oh right Korean cars).

There is a massive auto industry in China in producing foreign engineered cars (GM, Audi, VW, etc etc) in collaboration with local factories and companies.

[afong56]

non-chinese brands have bad production as well--firestone, cooper. . .

simply put, if chinese brands are that bad, people will stop buying them, or they will be pulled from the market because they're unsafe.

everything else is scare-mongering. . .

[Anonymouse]

China is in the same position now that Japan was in in the 50s-60s and Korea was in the 80s. You may remember the Hyundai Pony. Compare this with the Genesis today. In 10 years, China will be unstoppable.

[Pete_Coach]

ROFLCOPTER!!! Wait I have zero credibility because .......
blah blah blah
............
I still support it, regardless.

Wow, talk about going postal!
China is no different in any of the accusations you make as any other country that imports goods to us. They also have deficiencies and recalls.
I agree with your credibility taking a serious hit and with a rant like that it seems you need to examine your understanding (or lack of) economics and fair trade. It seems to me that the market will decide what it wants and if it wants products produced in other places, so be it. The North American manufacturers you so highly regard are the ones who are placing the orders in other countries and re-packaging them to ship to you. You are using them every day so don't be hypocritical.

[z24driver1986]

China should make their own stuff and we should make our own stuff simple!!!

I will never touch a Chinese made pair of tires.... I bought one set and I regret to this day. I could probably make a better tire myself *lol

[macnut]

China is in the same position now that Japan was in in the 50s-60s and Korea was in the 80s. You may remember the Hyundai Pony. Compare this with the Genesis today. In 10 years, China will be unstoppable.

Not necessarily so. Different cultures and different home markets.

In China's case, expectations of quality and de-facto standards may be determined more by huge domestic demand rather than solely by the export market.

Acceptance of sub-par quality, sometimes with lethal consequences, could be so entrenched in the psyche that it will take at least a generation before significant change occurs.

[Anonymouse]

I'm an engineer and part of my job is to write assembly instructions and QA procedures for our $2million dollar product which when assembled by the Chinese will be $1million. The thing is assembled to my snobby North American standards and I can detect no difference from the ones assembled in our Mexican or Canadian plants. I assure you there is nothing cultural preventing the Chinese from producing quality goods.

[KawaiiTentacleBeast]

China should make their own stuff and we should make our own stuff simple!!!

I will never touch a Chinese made pair of tires.... I bought one set and I regret to this day. I could probably make a better tire myself *lol

You're pretty picky for a guy who drives a J-body. "WHAT! SACRIFICE GRIP FOR TREADLIFE? THESE TIRES ARE NOT UP TO MY EXACTING PERFORMANCE EXPECTATIONS."

*Drives away in his 96hp 1-star side impact crash rating 1990s GM subcompact* :lol:

Also we should have a tariff on Japanese cars, because I hate Japanese cars so no one else should be allowed to have one.

[KorruptioN]

I couldn't care less.

Call me whatever you want, because I couldn't care less.

And that's all I'm going to say about that.

ROFLCOPTER!!! Wait I have zero credibility because a 2-post n00b with a name like "flamey_mcflame" says so? hahahahahahahahahaha

Holy cow, talk about going postal! It's clear that you do care about what's being discussed here for obvious reasons... and somehow (just somehow), I don't think it'll be "all you're going to say" because you seem to care so much to spaz out like you usually do. Going back to the classic post-count put-down too!

Be careful RFD, watch what you say or else this guy will spaz out on you over the internet! As somebody else said earlier, it really must be hard being you. You're really making yourself look great here... but wait, you don't care - right?

[Emancipated]

ES Revenge strikes me as this young guy who likes expensive things because he can afford them but in the same breath, he denounces any and all things that don't come at a premium and automatically declares them inferior or unfit and beneath him.

We can't all drive German cars and dine at restaurants, man. I bet he laughs at people who shop at Ikea too because they're "garbage" and made in China (or soon to be).

Everything is made in China nowadays. His spaz attack is nothing new; it's just that we've all been pretty neutral and level headed discussing cars and such int he past but now that we've touched a nerve with him, he's letting a full on assault on his defence and it's ugly.

Anyway, I didn't know tires were made in China. I'm still skeptical about products that directly affects my safety. If you gineua pigs say it's good, it must be ok. I haven't heard of many tires exploding in recent years.

[z24driver1986]

I would rather drive an American car with American made tires than Chinese ones. My American treats me well and its not 96hp but rather 150 hp and it's fast enough for me. You cannot drive fast on these roads anyway, its suicide and its also against the law.

[l69norm]

It's a global economy now. Changing one thing can have far reaching effects.:

A) the US exports 2 billion dollars in autos/parts to China each year:
http://detnews.com/article/20090915/AUTO01/909150362/China-challenges-U.S.-tire-tariffs

......Chinese retaliation could hurt U.S. auto companies, which last year agreed to export more than $2 billion in vehicles and auto parts to China, including thousands of Michigan-made vehicles and transmissions.

That included $1 billion in General Motors Co. Buick Enclaves built in the company's Lansing Delta Township plant and parts; $400 million in Jeeps and parts from Chrysler Group LLC and $800 million in Ford Motor Co. vehicles and parts. ..

b) Chinese made tires are used by both Ford and GM on brand new cars:
http://autonews.gasgoo.com/auto-news/1011664/GM--Ford-oppose-tariffs-on-Chinese-tire-imports.html

.....General Motors Co. and Ford Motor Co. lobbied President Barack Obama to exempt tires for new cars from proposed tariffs on Chinese imports, a request the United Steelworkers union president called "offensive."

Such duties would raise the costs of new cars and trucks by as much as $150, the automakers said in a filing, as a trade panel considered today a union request for tariffs on $1.7 billion of Chinese tire imports. ........

[Gofishus]

ROFLCOPTER!!! Wait I have zero credibility because a 2-post n00b with a name like "flamey_mcflame" says so? hahahahahahahahahaha
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Okay I'm done now I thi....

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Nope not yet I guess....

hahahahaha :lol:

Unreal.


Yeah well think what you want. When China floods are market with all kinds of garbage that does things like

-Cause cancer
-Poisons people, particularly children
-Catches fire
-Causes accidents
-Just breaks in less than a year from being absolute shoddily made garbage
-Eliminates jobs and puts people out of work, ruining our economy
-And more

Then yeah you're damn straight I'm gonna say something about it! And DOT scmot. DOT approves all-seasons too and they are another garbage made right here in Can/US as it is :rolleyes:

And then wait what's the icing on the cake? The communist Chinese government! Yay! Because if you go there and say, want to start a political party? Or perhaps want to speak out about the government? Why well you basically get shot in the street by the state. Good times for people living in or going to China :rolleyes: And those sons of b!thches are making huge $$$$ to support that kind of disgusting rule? From all the junk they import here? :confused:

Whatever. You policially nice/correct guys think whatever the hell you want. I am strongly against this clear idiocy and couldn't give a rat's behind what you want to say about me saying it. China can go f#(# themselves for all I care. Them and their garbage will burn in hell, I will tell you that much.

Oh and it has nothing to do with being anti-anything non-US or "borderlilne xenophobe" :rolleyes: or any of that other bullcrap. Hundreds of other companies import things to Canada or the US, and most I don't have a problem with. Most don't flood the market with questionable quality and unsafe garbage. And most also don't have a ridiculous "government" in place either, do they? Why the hell should our economies in the free world go down the drain while China goes on profiting over it and continuing to subject their citizens to things that we certainly don't believe in over here?

Why the hell should I support an economy of a country that subjects its citizens to all kinds of human rights violations and is communist to boot? What kind of twisted world is it when a communist country makes insane amounts of $$$ by exporting goods to the capitalist world? And not only exporting goods, exporting garbage ones at that.

Now is everything from China poor quality? No probably not. But the most of it it is. And do I buy stuff made in China. Yeah of course I do, because what the heck can you find not made in China anymore??? Also what can you find that lasts more than a year or two, if that? Just garbage made that goes in the garbage as products get more and more disposable, fill landfills and then we buy more garbage :rolleyes: All in the name of saving a dollar, a dollar which people find out all too late isn't really savings at all. When people die, get sick, lose jobs, lose their homes, etc. over this "savings", what have they really saved?


I couldn't care less. I know the garbage that comes from China quite well. There are already enough auto parts coming in from China which cause all sorts of problems as it is. What happens when we start equipping our aircraft with a majority of China-made parts, what then? What happens when we actually get full cars made in China? Has anyone seen the crash tests of a lot of the cars made over there? And don't tell me that DOT/NHTSA/Transport Canada is going to get in the way of a dollar bill and political goals of politicians that will undoubtedly eventually let this nonsense happen. All while laughing all the way to the bank with the blood of the citizens they walk over on the way there, on their hands.

Also, just as a note I do take offence as to the way you emphasised words in what I said in order to twist them around to serve some screwed up agenda of yours or whatever reasons you have :mad: You made it out so it looked like I said I would ban "children that came from China" which is NOT in any form shape or way what I mean and you know it. Fairly disgusting to have to see someone do that to what I said. What I meant was, for those that actually read your quote thinking that is what I was saying, is not that I would ban children from China, I would ban anything to do with children, that came from China. I.e. Toys, milk/food, etc. because there is way too much risk for kids to be playing with that crap. For the record I have nothing against children (or people otherwise) coming to Canada from China. In fact I encourage them to get away from a place like China, for their own good.

While I may be forced into buying products made in China as everything is made there these days, you can be damn sure that I will never put a made in China part on a car I drive thanks, not unless the only part available is from China (and God forbid when that happens 'cause we're doomed). Doing so, particularly when it comes to safety items like tyres is irresponsible, dangerous, and only puts yourself, your loved ones, and everyone else's lives on the road at risk. But hey most people do that with no-season "tyres" as it is, because nobody gives a damn about road safety because all the problems are, you guessed it, caused by:
-Street racers
-Young people
-"Them" (I.e. any other scapegoat out there that people and the government want to put it on--anyone other than themselves.)



Call me whatever you want, because I couldn't care less. Go ahead and "save a lot" while you put your life at risk as well your wife, kids, dog, niece/nephew, etc. as well as mine and everyone elses, just to save a goddamn dollar. When you're burning in a fire from an accident caused by "saving a lot", don't come back crying about it saying how the government should have protected you from buying that garbage.

Any move by the govenment to stop garbage from being put on our roads and in our marketplace from not only China but any place like China (in terms of low quality products, their treatment of their own citizens, etc.) is a good move in my book. And that's all I'm going to say about that. Though this isn't really pertinent to us (becuase it's a US tariff) I still support it, regardless.

Better dead than red right? Damn Commies will never beat Capitalism muahhaah