need advice $300 computer build

[Mike^]

hey guys, i need a suggestion

my friend needs a new computer with a price tag of $300 before tax
all he does is surf the web, watch video on youtube, that kinda stuff.
no need for fancy dancy graphics card, onboard will suffice.

He can reuse his Hard drive but everything needs new...

would u guys recommend an item atom build... or a low end amd processor build?

feel free to play around with this build and suggest me what i can do

Cheers!

[sheepdogexpress]

Yikes, thats too low a budget.

I don't recommend recycling harddrives. By the sounds of your friend, or atleast the budget, his hd might be getting old and hd are not the most reliable things.

Remember to get a good power supply too.

I don't recommend an atom either, they are way too slow. Do a couple things like surfing, downloading and listen to music and watch the thing slow down to a crawl. Go for the low end AMD build.

Bump the budget up another 100 dollars and you will get something vastly better.

Heres an example build for $377.

Antec Basiq BP500U 500W 24PIN ATX 12V Power Supply Active PFC
Usually ships in 1-2 business days.
Antec power supplies are rated for continuous power
NCIX.com SURPRISE SPECIALS!
The Surprise Special price on this item is guaranteed for ONLY 3 minutes. Available in limited quantities only, with a limit of 1 per customer. Hurry! No rainchecks or Price Matches for these items are available after limited quantities are sold out. Note: Your order for these items are counted only after you've completed your purchase.
To keep this price, you have to check out within 6 days.
In Stock 36516 $44.99 $44.99

Gigabyte GA-MA74GM-S2 AMD740G mATX AM2+/AM3 1PCI-EX 2PCI SATA2 RAID VGA Sound GLAN DVI Motherboard
Usually ships in 1-2 business days.
To keep this price, you have to check out within 6 days.
In Stock 30471 $62.99 $62.99

Enlight EN-PA411411 ATX Mid Tower Silver Black No PS Front USB Firewire & HD Audio W/ MCE Remote
Usually ships in 1-2 business days.
To keep this price, you have to check out within 6 days.
In Stock 26851 $41.99 $41.99

Corsair XMS2 CM2X2048-6400C5 2GB DDR2 1X2GB PC2-6400 DDR2-800 CL 5-5-5-18 240PIN Memory DIMM
Usually ships in 1-2 business days.
NCIX.com SURPRISE SPECIALS!
Available in limited quantities only, with a limit of 1 per customer. Hurry! No rainchecks or Price Matches for these items are available after limited quantities are sold out. Note: Your order for these items are counted only after you've completed your purchase.
To keep this price, you have to check out within 6 days.
In Stock 29035 $24.99 $24.99

Buffalo Select D2U800C-2G/BR 2GB 1X2GB PC2-6400 DDR2-800 CL5 240PIN DIMM Memory
Usually ships in 2-3 business days.
To keep this price, you have to check out within 6 days.
Back Order 27708 $27.99 $27.99

Seagate Barracuda 7200.12 500GB SATA2 3.5IN 8.5MS 7200RPM 16MB Hard Drive OEM *3YR MFR Warranty*
Usually ships in 1-2 business days.
To keep this price, you have to check out within 6 days.
In Stock 36050 $58.99 $58.99

AMD Phenom II X2 550 Black Edition Dual Core Processor Socket AM3 3.1GHZ 7MB Cache 80W Retail Box
Usually ships in 1-2 business days.
To keep this price, you have to check out within 6 days.
In Stock 39335 $115.99 $115.99

YOUR TOTAL $377.93
Shipping and final tax calculation will be calculated at checkout
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Total Shipping Weight: 30.95 lbs

The above computer will give him/her a vastly better experience than an atom and will last a long time for their needs.

[mr_raider]

Don't do build it yourself builds in that price range. Go aorund BB, FS, Dell.ca and Costco, and look for deals.

[deveritt]

AMD Athlon II X2 240:
http://www.directcanada.com/products/?sku=10360BD0569&vpn=ADX240OCGQBOX&manufacture=AMD

Gigabyte GA-MA74GM-S2:
http://www.bestdirect.ca/products/?sku=177160&kw=gigabyte%20ga-ma74gm-s2

LG 16x DVD-ROM:
http://www.bestdirect.ca/products/214192/DH16NS10%2EAVAA10B/LG%20Electronics/

Crucial Rendition 2GB 1X2GB PC2-6400 DDR2-800:
http://www.bestdirect.ca/products/?sku=198028&kw=crucial%20rendition%202gb%201x2gb

Antec Basiq BP350 350W:
http://www.bestdirect.ca/products/213094/BP350/ANTEC/

ASUS TA-K51 ATX Mid Tower:
http://www.bestdirect.ca/products/?sku=219458&kw=asus%20ta-k51%20atx%20mid%20tower


This comes out to $220.66 + 5% tax assuming you aren't in BC = ~$232.

I have done this build (with slight variations time to time) for a few friends and family and they are more than satisfied with it. This also leaves you with the option to:

A) pick a case of your liking

- I like to use this case/PSU combo for my parents since they are not on it much:

Logisys CS305: http://www.bestdirect.ca/products/213599/CS305/Logisys%20Computer/

It's only $30, so basically if you swapped that in you would have a total of $200 instead. The PSU is pretty noisy and runs a bit hot, but like I said they don't use it much so I am not too concerned. The case alone isn't even bad for the $30.


B) add in a decent size hard drive if you don't want to re-use your old one

To keep this cheap, wait until NCIX has a shipping promo (5.99 ground, or buy a GC get it free) and price match all of this stuff there. You might be lukcy enough to find a cheap hard drive during that sale, or something else to throw in here since you do have the $70 head room.

*Note that I am assuming you already have an OS (or a means of getting one :twisted:). If you need an OS as well, I don't think there is any way you will stay under $300. Also, I wil edit this post after I see what NCIX's new sale is tonight if there is anything worth noting.

[willy]

Since there's still a little bit of budget room in the above confirguration, I would choose the following ...

- GA-MA78GM-US2H ... http://www.directcanada.com/products/?sku=11840BD4282&vpn=GA-MA78GM-US2H&manufacture=GIGACUBE

- Double up the RAM to 4GB.

- DVD burner

- and I like this PS better ... http://www.directcanada.com/products/?sku=14360AC5058&vpn=ATX-350-PN-B&manufacture=SPARKLE%20POWER

[deveritt]

Since there's still a little bit of budget room in the above confirguration, I would choose the following ...

- GA-MA78GM-US2H ... http://www.directcanada.com/products/?sku=11840BD4282&vpn=GA-MA78GM-US2H&manufacture=GIGACUBE

- Double up the RAM to 4GB.

- DVD burner

- and I like this PS better ... http://www.directcanada.com/products/?sku=14360AC5058&vpn=ATX-350-PN-B&manufacture=SPARKLE%20POWER

The drive I chose is a burner, but if you are implying a better burner, then the Samsung 22x is a good choice (can find it for ~$30 w/ lightscribe).

No point really in going to 4GB unless you will be running a 64-bit OS.

I just chose Antec because I know they are reliable and I don't know much about Sparkle Power, but if you know they are good it shouldn't really matter based on the price.

The motherboard might be worthwhile for the extra SATA ports, but again it depends if OP will be re-using old HDD or getting a new one.

[BobSagget]

I am not really familiar with TigerDirect but I got this in an email this morning
http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/searchtools/item-Details.asp?EdpNo=5078737&sku=B69-0120&SRCCODE=CANEM1516&cm_mmc=EML-_-CanadaMain-_-CANEM1516-_-email

# Gigabyte MA785GM-US2H Motherboard
# AMD Athlon II X2 240 2.80GHz Dual Core Processor
# Ultra 2048MB PC5400 DDR2 667MHz Memory
# 1TB Western Digital Caviar Green Hard Drive
# PowerUp ATX Black Mid-Tower Case with 450-Watt Power Supply
Total: $269.97

With Tax and cheapest shipping ($6.99) to Ontario (sorry don't know where your friend is so I use my location) it is $312.99

[willy]

The drive I chose is a burner, but if you are implying a better burner, then the Samsung 22x is a good choice (can find it for ~$30 w/ lightscribe).
:confused: Somehow your link shows a $17 DVD-ROM drive ?

No point really in going to 4GB unless you will be running a 64-bit OS.
I would load it up to 4GB strictly based on price ... DDR2 prices are heading up.

I just chose Antec because I know they are reliable and I don't know much about Sparkle Power, but if you know they are good it shouldn't really matter based on the price.
That's a good low-end PS ... 120mm fan is quieter ... to me at least ....

The motherboard might be worthwhile for the extra SATA ports, but again it depends if OP will be re-using old HDD or getting a new one.
780G chipset is much better equipped (4 DIMMs/HDMI/1394/eSATA/HD video handling) ...

[ZoomZoom2006]

I HAVE NO IDEA WHY HE WANTS A *NEW* COMPUTER with such a low budget. Second hand PC will get him a much much better performance...

[willy]

It may be a bit difficult to find a $300 used system that is better performing than a 2.8GHz dual-core Athlon II ... :)

[ppl4golf]

Since there's still a little bit of budget room in the above confirguration, I would choose the following ...

- GA-MA78GM-US2H ... http://www.directcanada.com/products/?sku=11840BD4282&vpn=GA-MA78GM-US2H&manufacture=GIGACUBE

- Double up the RAM to 4GB.

- DVD burner

- and I like this PS better ... http://www.directcanada.com/products/?sku=14360AC5058&vpn=ATX-350-PN-B&manufacture=SPARKLE%20POWER

+1

I'll do exactly what Will suggests.

I made the mistake cheapen out and got a 740G mobo to save 10-15 bucks. The audio is less flexible, the onboard graphic is garbage (like 690G) and there is no legacy mouse PS/2 port, no firewire, no eSATA...2 DIMM slots so you might as well get 4GB kit if you go 740G.

The Sparkle is a goto PSU of choice if nothing else is on sale. If you don't mind MIR, the 500W OCZ PSU @ CC is pretty decent...
http://www.canadacomputers.com/index.php?do=ShowProduct&cmd=pd&pid=016235&cid=815.PS.731
I got one and it is superior to the Sparkle. I have the Sparkle and it is great for a lower wattage system. The OCZ is better if a mid-range video card is installed.

[terrybear]

No to ANY purchases from TD !!! :mad:

Like Willy sugested as well.

What are they going to use the pc for ?? move all you can to Sata connections to increase airflow & upgradeability if something fails.

I'd recomend also new hard drive, tower w/ ps, and something like a Athlon II X2, X3 or X4 which should be sub $120 cpu's, around $100 785 AM2+/AM3 motherboard & 4 gig kit of either DDR2 or DDR3 which I think could be done for another $150-200 on his base price of what he wants to spend.

[deveritt]

What are they going to use the pc for ??

The OP states this in his original post..."all he does is surf the web, watch video on youtube, that kinda stuff". All the upgrades you guys are recommending are fine, but not necessary for such simple tasks. If he wants to save $90 then it's easiest to stay with the most basic computer. I was playing Warcraft 3 off the onboard gfx card on a $45 motherboard I recently put in my parents computer when I was home for a week so I don't think you will be having much trouble with any onboard graphics you get now-a-days. You keep making small improvements, but all together it adds up more and more.

We have yet to hear from the OP if he has an OS or not though :confused:

[reset]

1 more for sparkle here

[javis]

http://imgur.com/BOSn1.png

So Total for this entire system pre tax is $266.64 (No Pricematches)

There is $6.99 flat shipping at Ncix.com.

Total to Ontario after taxes is:
$291.51

If you want a hard drive will add about $60 - 100 depending.

Seagate Barracuda 7200.12 160GB 3.5IN SATA 7200RPM 8MB Hard Drive
$55.38

Really if you want a computer you should be willing to spend more money. Otherwise your probably better off checking Kijiji or looking for a off lease computer.

[Mike^]

Case +PS Apex DM-387 mATX HTPC Case 46.40
Motherboard Gigabyte GA-G41M-ES2H mATX LGA775 G41 DDR2 1PCI-E16 3PCI Video Sound GBLAN HDMI DVI Motherboard 69.43
CPU Intel Pentium Dual Core E5200 Dual Core Processor LGA775 2.5GHZ 800FSB 2MB Retail Box 69.88
RAM 2x2gb OCZ DDR2 Ram 50
DVD-RW Samsung SH-S222A/BEBE 22X Dual Layer DVD Writer Black IDE OEM 27.99
Hard Drive Hitachi Deskstar P7K500 500GB SATA2 7200RPM 50
Total$313.70

what do u guys feel about this?

[terrybear]

Case +PS Apex DM-387 mATX HTPC Case 46.40
Motherboard Gigabyte GA-G41M-ES2H mATX LGA775 G41 DDR2 1PCI-E16 3PCI Video Sound GBLAN HDMI DVI Motherboard 69.43
CPU Intel Pentium Dual Core E5200 Dual Core Processor LGA775 2.5GHZ 800FSB 2MB Retail Box 69.88
RAM 2x2gb OCZ DDR2 Ram 50
DVD-RW Samsung SH-S222A/BEBE 22X Dual Layer DVD Writer Black IDE OEM 27.99
Hard Drive Hitachi Deskstar P7K500 500GB SATA2 7200RPM 50
Total$313.70

what do u guys feel about this?

buying a Intel s775 based cpu & motherboards a waste its EOL technoligy.

AMD AM3 X2 cpu & AM2 or AM3 motherboard holds better weight then that. The rest is fine.

[macuser]

buying a Intel s775 based cpu & motherboards a waste its EOL technoligy.

AMD AM3 X2 cpu & AM2 or AM3 motherboard holds better weight then that. The rest is fine.

Just because it's EOL doesn't mean it doesn't work.
E5200s can do at least 3.2 even if you get a bad chip and run it on a crap motherboard on stock volts. Can a sub-$300 AMD machine do that? No, since AMD's competition in the sub-$100 CPU market is all 65nm. Also, if you're building a $300 machine, I highly doubt you're looking for upgradeability... more for bang for $.

As an interesting exercise, here's probably one of the cheapest ways to get a new computer. All prices from pricecanada.com and PM-able at NCIX for rebates + cheap shipping (or free if you stash a gift card whenever possible)

Logisys CS206BK (w/ "480W" PSU) - $28.34
Intel E5200 - $69.49
MSI G31M3-L - $49.90
Crucial Rendition 2GB 1X2GB PC2-6400 DDR2-800 - $23.60
Hitachi Deskstar P7K500 500GB - $51.50 - $10USD rebate
Samsung SH-S223B/BEBE DVD+-RW - $24.99
------
$247.82 before tax
$237.82 if you want to count the MIR

warnings:
- the case is EXTREMELY cheap sheetmetal. it's at least folded over so you don't cut yourself, but you can basically bend it like tinfoil.
- Logisys includes VERY loud fans.
- I wouldn't count on that "480W" PSU lasting very long... on systems that I built, I usually replace it with a cheap Sparkle unit.

[Hello-]

Just for fun, decided to do an atom build. Increased price for decreased size, noise and power consumption.

ZOTAC IONITX-A-U Atom N330 1.6GHz Dual-Core 441 NVIDIA ION Mini ITX Motherboard/CPU Combo - Retail
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813500027&nm_mc=OTC-Pr1c3canadaCA&cm_mmc=OTC-Pr1c3canadaCA-_-Motherboard+/+CPU+/+VGA+Sets-_-Zotac-_-13500027
$209.99

Crucial Rendition 2GB 1X2GB PC2-6400 DDR2-800 240PIN DIMM Memory
http://www.bestdirect.ca/products/?sku=198028&kw=crucial%20rendition%202gb%201x2gb
$23.60

Apex MI-008 MINI-ITX Case Glossy Black 1X5.25 1X3.5 1X3.5INT Sfx 250W Front Audio USB
http://www.bestdirect.ca/products/182152/Apex_Computer_Technology/MI_008/
$49.28

LG 16X DVD-ROM Drive Internal SATA OEM
http://www.bestdirect.ca/products/214192/DH16NS10.AVAA10B/LG%20Electronics/
$16.28

Total - $299.15

Too bad that Zotac ionitx-a + 2gb Aeneon ram bundle for $200 at ncix was only a one day sale, a DVD writer and/or maybe an Antek ISK300 could have been used.

According to the SPC review (http://www.silentpcreview.com/article952-page1.html), the Zotac ionitx-a can be overclocked to 2ghz.

[willy]

Just because it's EOL doesn't mean it doesn't work.
E5200s can do at least 3.2 even if you get a bad chip and run it on a crap motherboard on stock volts. Can a sub-$300 AMD machine do that? No, since AMD's competition in the sub-$100 CPU market is all 65nm. Also, if you're building a $300 machine, I highly doubt you're looking for upgradeability... more for bang for $.
I am no terrybear .... but I am 100% certain this statement is incorrect ... The Athlon II X2 that we recommended :arrowu: is 45nm ...

In terms of price/performance/feature at the low-end, Intel cannot (or might not even want to) compete with AMD at this moment ...

[deveritt]

I am no terrybear .... but I am 100% certain this statement is incorrect ... The Athlon II X2 that we recommended :arrowu: is 45nm ...

In terms of price/performance/feature at the low-end, Intel cannot (or might not even want to) compete with AMD at this moment ...

+1

You may be mistaken in that it is 65W, which is pretty standard, aside from the 5050e which is 45W I believe. The build you listed looks fine Mike^, but I would replace the e5200 with the Athlon II x2 240 that is currently on sale ($67 I think), and possibly the motherboard I listed on the first page, or the one suggest by willy, whatever works for your price range.

[willy]

For $140, you can't beat this deal ... http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=42121&vpn=785GM-X2-245&manufacture=Bundle%20Deals&promoid=1066

[javis]

I am no terrybear .... but I am 100% certain this statement is incorrect ... The Athlon II X2 that we recommended :arrowu: is 45nm ...

In terms of price/performance/feature at the low-end, Intel cannot (or might not even want to) compete with AMD at this moment ...

Why go with the AMD for $2 less? The E5200 is a good chip and is faster than the 240 CPC...

[willy]

Why go with the AMD for $2 less? The E5200 is a good chip and is faster than the 240 CPC...
It's not the CPU ... For the intended tasks, there's really no significant difference between the 2 CPUs.

It's the mobo platform that we are suggesting ... Entry-level Intel chipset is weak in terms of price/feature ...

[flyz]

Why go with the AMD for $2 less? The E5200 is a good chip and is faster than the 240 CPC...

A neutered G31 is not comparable to a 785G.....
Chip wise they're comparable but as a whole platform, AMD wins out.

Pretty much the only good IGP chipset for 775 is the NV 9300/9400.

[javis]

I am no terrybear .... but I am 100% certain this statement is incorrect ... The Athlon II X2 that we recommended :arrowu: is 45nm ...

In terms of price/performance/feature at the low-end, Intel cannot (or might not even want to) compete with AMD at this moment ...

A neutered G31 is not comparable to a 785G.....
Chip wise they're comparable but as a whole platform, AMD wins out.

Pretty much the only good IGP chipset for 775 is the NV 9300/9400.

Ya but for a $300 computer? That chipset looked good to me had everything this guy is going to need. If he needed anything more than the IGP he can always upgrade and put in a real video card.

[willy]

Ya but for a $300 computer? That chipset looked good to me had everything this guy is going to need. If he needed anything more than the IGP he can always upgrade and put in a real video card.
I guess we can leave the final decision to OP now ...

[Mike^]

cool, thanks for all your guy's opinion, im sure any of these computer builds will do,

btw any difference between the G41 vs G31 chipset?

[flyz]

G41 adds support for DDR3 and slightly newer graphics.

[ppl4golf]

Ya but for a $300 computer? That chipset looked good to me had everything this guy is going to need. If he needed anything more than the IGP he can always upgrade and put in a real video card.

I expect a 'basic' computer to play any video content you throw at it as a bare minimum. It should also run quiet and be energy efficient.

>99% of low end Intel mobos are garbage...yes, they do fine doing email and surfing RFD but when it comes to video like HD content, it is not up to par. Heck, it may not even display your monitor properly with this GMA crap. It is NOT necessarily something that can be compensated by a kick a$$ CPU.

I'd recommend using an add on PCI-E like ATI4350 or Nvidia9500 with any of these Intel GMA except X4500. The thing is X4500 mobo with comparable features is $40-50 more than an AMD 780G/785G.

They all work at the end if you add enough stuff but that's not the point. Again, 780G/785G is hard to beat with all the features. The only thing 785G promised but fail to deliver is multi-channel LPCM over HDMI.

[macuser]

I am no terrybear .... but I am 100% certain this statement is incorrect ... The Athlon II X2 that we recommended :arrowu: is 45nm ...

In terms of price/performance/feature at the low-end, Intel cannot (or might not even want to) compete with AMD at this moment ...

Ah, my bad... reading fail :o. Didn't realize the lower end of the Athlon II line was so cheap by now. I was thinking more of the older 65nm Athlon X2 (7750, etc) ...those, frankly, sucked when I put together a budget AMD system for my friend a while ago.

[terrybear]

Ah, my bad... reading fail :o. Didn't realize the lower end of the Athlon II line was so cheap by now. I was thinking more of the older 65nm Athlon X2 (7750, etc) ...those, frankly, sucked when I put together a budget AMD system for my friend a while ago.

Well yeah why would I recomend a old 65 nm phenom I based dual core, that would not be good advice to someone to ask of me to help them config something.

If that was the case I'd tell them to buy a celron, via based 775 motherboard & a S3 based videocard :lol::lol::lol::razz::D

[Brewmeanie]

http://imgur.com/BOSn1.png

So Total for this entire system pre tax is $266.64 (No Pricematches)

There is $6.99 flat shipping at Ncix.com.

Total to Ontario after taxes is:
$291.51

If you want a hard drive will add about $60 - 100 depending.

Seagate Barracuda 7200.12 160GB 3.5IN SATA 7200RPM 8MB Hard Drive
$55.38

Really if you want a computer you should be willing to spend more money. Otherwise your probably better off checking Kijiji or looking for a off lease computer.


You need to learn to do some price research and price match.

Ya but for a $300 computer? That chipset looked good to me had everything this guy is going to need. If he needed anything more than the IGP he can always upgrade and put in a real video card.

Remember in RFD, we're going for best price/performance, WE WANT THE BEST VALUE!, and the AMD wins out easily. It's not that we're hating on Intel, they just dun offer the value and functionality in their chipset if you compare it to AMD. As you mentioned earlier, for $2 less you get to switch over to AMD, and beside that, the AMD chipset also offer so much more in terms of onboard IGP and board features, you're getting more then just a $2 saving after that.

[toalan]

I agree the Athlon II + 785 offer more bang for buck than an intel CPU + Mobo. It is too bad that the I7 and P2 steal all the limelight, the Athlon II looks to be a great CPU.

[Mike^]

So just to conclude this thread, i would like to share with you what was purchased:

Case + PS: Apex DM-387 mATX HTPC Case $46.40
Motherboard: Gigabyte MA785GM-US2H DDR2 Motherboard $139.99 (MOBO+ CPU Bundle)
CPU: AMD Athlon II X2 245 2.9Ghz AM3 $0.00
RAM: 2x2gb OCZ Gold XTC DDR2 Ram $50.00
DVD-RW: Samsung SH-S223B 22x DVD Writer $24.99
Hard Drive: Hitachi Deskstar P7K500 500GB SATA2 7200RPM $49.99
4 Pin to 8 Pin Power Adapter Cable $4.24

Total $315.62

Only $15.62 Over-budget xD...

I would like to also thank all of you guys for your awesome suggestions and feed-backs!

[willy]

That "4 Pin to 8 Pin Power Adapter Cable $4.24" is not necessary ...

Instead, I think you may need one of this ... http://www.canadacomputers.com/index.php?do=ShowProduct&cmd=pd&pid=002672&cid=CAB.784.429

[deveritt]

So just to conclude this thread, i would like to share with you what was purchased:

Case + PS: Apex DM-387 mATX HTPC Case $46.40
Motherboard: Gigabyte MA785GM-US2H DDR2 Motherboard $139.99 (MOBO+ CPU Bundle)
CPU: AMD Athlon II X2 245 2.9Ghz AM3 $0.00
RAM: 2x2gb OCZ Gold XTC DDR2 Ram $50.00
DVD-RW: Samsung SH-S223B 22x DVD Writer $24.99
Hard Drive: Hitachi Deskstar P7K500 500GB SATA2 7200RPM $49.99
4 Pin to 8 Pin Power Adapter Cable $4.24

Total $315.62

Only $15.62 Over-budget xD...

I would like to also thank all of you guys for your awesome suggestions and feed-backs!

Looks good. Hope you encounter no problems during assembly and installation!

[ppl4golf]

That "4 Pin to 8 Pin Power Adapter Cable $4.24" is not necessary ...

Instead, I think you may need one of this ... http://www.canadacomputers.com/index.php?do=ShowProduct&cmd=pd&pid=002672&cid=CAB.784.429

Right on dude !

I wrote a short impression on the Apex 317 @ digital home and the only little complaint I have is the 2 SATA power leads are not far apart enough to feed the DVD and the HDD in the bottom. If the HDD is installed in the external 3.5" spot, it is ok.

[javis]

You need to learn to do some price research and price match.


Don't know what Price "research" you want me to do but I do understand price matching. As you can see I said the above is without price matching. I did this in like 5 minutes all from one retailer shipped w/taxes for under $300. I'm sure you could price match and get this cheaper but the OP can do that when ordering.



Remember in RFD, we're going for best price/performance, WE WANT THE BEST VALUE!, and the AMD wins out easily. It's not that we're hating on Intel, they just dun offer the value and functionality in their chipset if you compare it to AMD. As you mentioned earlier, for $2 less you get to switch over to AMD, and beside that, the AMD chipset also offer so much more in terms of onboard IGP and board features, you're getting more then just a $2 saving after that.

I went with the better processor over the Motherboard features since I felt like the OP would benefit the most from the faster processor. I don't see how the 780G offers soooo much more value than the G31. I feel that the Intel E5200 gives the best price/performance for under $300.

[willy]

I went with the better processor over the Motherboard features since I felt like the OP would benefit the most from the faster processor. I don't see how the 780G offers soooo much more value than the G31. I feel that the Intel E5200 gives the best price/performance for under $300.
Just curious ... Why do you think E5200 is a "faster" CPU ?

According to some reviews, E5200 is no better than X2 240/245 at stock ... http://en.hardspell.com/doc/enshowcont.asp?id=6438&pageid=4852

Maybe I am missing something :confused:

[flyz]

I went with the better processor over the Motherboard features since I felt like the OP would benefit the most from the faster processor. I don't see how the 780G offers soooo much more value than the G31. I feel that the Intel E5200 gives the best price/performance for under $300.

At best they trade blows. Yes it's an X2 250 and not a 245, but it's only 100MHz faster.
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/default.aspx?p=96&p2=66

[flyz]

Just curious ... Why do you think E5200 is a "faster" CPU ?

According to some reviews, E5200 is no better than X2 240/245 at stock ... http://en.hardspell.com/doc/enshowcont.asp?id=6438&pageid=4852

Maybe I am missing something :confused:

Maybe Intel = always better? Sure in high end where Nehalem shines over anything AMD can make but in mainstream, they can still hold their own, for now.....

[javis]

Just curious ... Why do you think E5200 is a "faster" CPU ?

According to some reviews, E5200 is no better than X2 240/245 at stock ... http://en.hardspell.com/doc/enshowcont.asp?id=6438&pageid=4852

Maybe I am missing something :confused:

I'm probably wrong :p.. I cannot find any reviews on the X2 240/245 anywhere, only the one you linked.. I guess I was just going on the fact that Intel has been leading the performance race for some time now. I also did not realize that the 240 was a newer chip (June 2009) compared to the E5200 (Dec 2008?). I guess next time I should really spend some more time looking at this stuff. But I do like the Intel C2D architecture more than the AMD chips.

[flyz]

I'm probably wrong :p.. I cannot find any reviews on the X2 240/245 anywhere, only the one you linked.. I guess I was just going on the fact that Intel has been leading the performance race for some time now. I also did not realize that the 240 was a newer chip (June 2009) compared to the E5200 (Dec 2008?). I guess next time I should really spend some more time looking at this stuff. But I do like the Intel C2D architecture more than the AMD chips.

Prepare for a lot of reading in 3 weeks time when all the new stuff launches. Fun times ahead.

I also hear (from his Twitter anyway) that Anand is publishing SSD Anthologies Part 2, so prepare for another 40 page long writeup :D

[willy]

I am already lost among the various i3, i5, i7 models .... I wonder how regular consumers are gonna to decide ...

[ppl4golf]

It is amazing some still don't understand what in a computer really really matters for most.

My only Intel rig is a Gigabyte G33M-S2H mobo, nice mobo on paper and runs well only if I add a video card (8500GT). It does overclock my 1.6GHz CPU to 2.4GHz from Day 1 without any heroic measure (actually I did nothing but change the memory ratio only).

I spend $125 for that d@mn mobo intended to run all-in-one. In WinXP, it wouldn't run any BD/HDDVD application. Vista it does but it streaks like a mofo. I must also mention there is only 3 SATA ports on the mobo and I find out after I installed my SATA DVD and 3 SATA HDDs LOL.

In a nutshell, the G30's Intel IGP is just garbage. If you insist, the G31 is ok because you may well end up with a low end video card if you have any expectation, so you might as well spend less on the cheapest Intel mobo.

[Mike^]

That "4 Pin to 8 Pin Power Adapter Cable $4.24" is not necessary ...

Instead, I think you may need one of this ... http://www.canadacomputers.com/index.php?do=ShowProduct&cmd=pd&pid=002672&cid=CAB.784.429

i think i need one of these cables since the powersupply is only a 4-pin(p4) cable, and the gigabyte requires an 8-pin secondary power cable from the powersupply to the motherboard, then i think this will do.

http://img.ncix.com/images/34296_l.jpg

[willy]

i think i need one of these cables since the powersupply is only a 4-pin(p4) cable, and the gigabyte requires an 8-pin secondary power cable from the powersupply to the motherboard, then i think this will do.

http://img.ncix.com/images/34296_l.jpg
It is not mandatory ... You can use the 4-pin connector from the PS and leave half the 8-pin plug unplugged. Refer to the mobo manual for the proper connection. But of course, it won't hurt to use one ... just more $$$.

[javis]

I am already lost among the various i3, i5, i7 models .... I wonder how regular consumers are gonna to decide ...

From what I have seen the I5 750 is pretty close to the performance of the I7 920. However, the I5 will overclock better. The early looks at the I7 870 show its a bit faster than the I7 920. However, they do say that the LGA1366 does have some advantages over the LGA1156.

check out www.xtremesystems.org/forums

They have some early reviews and looks at the chips

http://en.inpai.com.cn/doc/enshowcont.asp?id=6804&pageid=5451
http://en.expreview.com/2009/08/19/thorough-review-of-intel-core-i5-750.html#more-4834
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=232287&highlight=870
http://diy.pconline.com.cn/cpu/reviews/0907/1717513_5.html

[Brewmeanie]

From what I have seen the I5 750 is pretty close to the performance of the I7 920. However, the I5 will overclock better. The early looks at the I7 870 show its a bit faster than the I7 920. However, they do say that the LGA1366 does have some advantages over the LGA1156.

check out www.xtremesystems.org/forums

They have some early reviews and looks at the chips

http://en.inpai.com.cn/doc/enshowcont.asp?id=6804&pageid=5451
http://en.expreview.com/2009/08/19/thorough-review-of-intel-core-i5-750.html#more-4834
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=232287&highlight=870
http://diy.pconline.com.cn/cpu/reviews/0907/1717513_5.html

Hey, maybe intel wanna join the i-cashcow by stick i infront of everything like apple.:D

lol

[radical53]

double post

[radical53]

Your on a budget, use your old Hard Drive. If you have an extra $50 to spend get a 160 or 320gb WD Hard Drive, If you are more concerned about food and electricity use your old one (though it is slightly higher risk for failure so burn dvd's you your importent stuff and dont look back

My biggest gripe about building computers is how people are attracted to the fancy boxes of $75+ power supplies completely not neccesary

When you spend $40 on a tower you should get a power supply free!

Newegg.com



Qty. Product Description Savings Total Price
1
Pioneer CD/DVD Burner Black IDE Model DVR-118LBK LabelFlash Support - OEM
Item #: N82E16827129043
Return Policy: Standard Return Policy
$32.49
1
Athenatech A416BS.H350 Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case 350W Power Supply - Retail
Item #: N82E16811190040
Return Policy: Standard Return Policy
$38.49

1

GIGABYTE GA-MA74GM-S2 AM3/AM2+/AM2 AMD 740G Micro ATX AMD Motherboard - Retail
Item #: N82E16813128342
Return Policy: Standard Return Policy

$59.49

1
PNY 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 667 (PC2 5300) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model MD2048KD2-667 - Retail
Item #: N82E16820178134
Return Policy: Memory Standard Return Policy
$28.49

1
AMD Athlon 64 X2 6000+ Windsor 3.0GHz Socket AM2 125W Dual-Core Processor Model ADX6000CZBOX - Retail

$85.99

Subtotal: $244.95
Calculate Shipping Postal Code:
Shipping: $0.00


Grand Total:* $244.95

[willy]

For $85, there's absolutely no reason to buy a 125W x2 6000+.

Athlon II X2 250 (65W, 45nm, 3GHz) ... http://www.directcanada.com/products/?sku=10360BD9935&vpn=ADX250OCGQBOX&manufacture=AMD

[funnypanks]

So just to conclude this thread, i would like to share with you what was purchased:

Case + PS: Apex DM-387 mATX HTPC Case $46.40
Motherboard: Gigabyte MA785GM-US2H DDR2 Motherboard $139.99 (MOBO+ CPU Bundle)
CPU: AMD Athlon II X2 245 2.9Ghz AM3 $0.00
RAM: 2x2gb OCZ Gold XTC DDR2 Ram $50.00
DVD-RW: Samsung SH-S223B 22x DVD Writer $24.99
Hard Drive: Hitachi Deskstar P7K500 500GB SATA2 7200RPM $49.99
4 Pin to 8 Pin Power Adapter Cable $4.24

Total $315.62

Only $15.62 Over-budget xD...

I would like to also thank all of you guys for your awesome suggestions and feed-backs!

can i ask where u got the ram for $50?

[radical53]

Your on a budget, use your old Hard Drive. If you have an extra $50 to spend get a 160 or 320gb WD Hard Drive, If you are more concerned about food and electricity use your old one (though it is slightly higher risk for failure so burn dvd's you your importent stuff and dont look back

My biggest gripe about building computers is how people are attracted to the fancy boxes of $75+ power supplies completely not neccesary

When you spend $40 on a tower you should get a power supply free!

Newegg.com



Qty. Product Description Savings Total Price
1
Pioneer CD/DVD Burner Black IDE Model DVR-118LBK LabelFlash Support - OEM
Item #: N82E16827129043
Return Policy: Standard Return Policy
$32.49
1
Athenatech A416BS.H350 Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case 350W Power Supply - Retail
Item #: N82E16811190040
Return Policy: Standard Return Policy
$38.49

1

GIGABYTE GA-MA74GM-S2 AM3/AM2+/AM2 AMD 740G Micro ATX AMD Motherboard - Retail
Item #: N82E16813128342
Return Policy: Standard Return Policy

$59.49

1
Kingston 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 667 (PC2 5300) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model KVR667D2K2/4GR - Retail

$49.99

1
AMD Phenom 9350e Agena 2.0GHz 4 x 512KB L2 Cache 2MB L3 Cache Socket AM2+ 65W Quad-Core Processor - Retail

$104.99
Subtotal: $254.95
Calculate Shipping Postal Code:
Shipping: $0.00


Grand Total:* $274.99


The search specifications I had didnt let the cpu you were talking about show up.. weird (now that I have seen it, it was obviously a better choice)


Anyway I decided to drop in a phenom and up the ram to 4gb fully knowing he has already bought a system....

[willy]

can i ask where u got the ram for $50?
This kit is even cheaper ... http://www.canadacomputers.com/index.php?do=ShowProduct&cmd=pd&pid=016092&cid=RAM.346.307

[Brewmeanie]

Your on a budget, use your old Hard Drive. If you have an extra $50 to spend get a 160 or 320gb WD Hard Drive, If you are more concerned about food and electricity use your old one (though it is slightly higher risk for failure so burn dvd's you your importent stuff and dont look back

My biggest gripe about building computers is how people are attracted to the fancy boxes of $75+ power supplies completely not neccesary

When you spend $40 on a tower you should get a power supply free!

Newegg.com



Qty. Product Description Savings Total Price
1
Pioneer CD/DVD Burner Black IDE Model DVR-118LBK LabelFlash Support - OEM
Item #: N82E16827129043
Return Policy: Standard Return Policy
$32.49
1
Athenatech A416BS.H350 Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case 350W Power Supply - Retail
Item #: N82E16811190040
Return Policy: Standard Return Policy
$38.49

1

GIGABYTE GA-MA74GM-S2 AM3/AM2+/AM2 AMD 740G Micro ATX AMD Motherboard - Retail
Item #: N82E16813128342
Return Policy: Standard Return Policy

$59.49

1
Kingston 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 667 (PC2 5300) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model KVR667D2K2/4GR - Retail

$49.99

1

AMD Phenom 9350e Agena 2.0GHz 4 x 512KB L2 Cache 2MB L3 Cache Socket AM2+ 65W Quad-Core Processor - Retail


$104.99
Subtotal: $254.95
Calculate Shipping Postal Code:
Shipping: $0.00


Grand Total:* $274.99


The search specifications I had didnt let the cpu you were talking about show up.. weird (now that I have seen it, it was obviously a better choice)


Anyway I decided to drop in a phenom and up the ram to 4gb fully knowing he has already bought a system....

$50 can you get a 500g sataII hdd, not just 160 or 320. People get fancy cases cuz they usually provide better air flow, easier installation of hdd/drives, and they look pretty darn cool. You're right about getting power supplies that's too high for their need, but most of the better power supply you get are more energy efficient, less prone to failure, and they dun get as hot. And if you're going to cheap out on case/psu, at least go get the one with the best value, and go all the way.
$28.34, black case w/ blue led lighted fan in the front, and include a 480w psu
http://www.bestdirect.ca/products/204791/Logisys_Computer/CS206BK/

Why get an IDE burner for $32.49 when you can get a faster sata for $25

Have you seen the 740g chipset board you suggested? it ain't the greatest you know, if you're gong to get a chipset, get 760g or higher, one with a better ipg. Preferrably a 780g right now, cuz a lot of them are gonig for $60 due to the fact that the 785g chipset just came out and stores want to clear out stocks.

I dunno what's going on in your head when you picked those RAM, Yes, Kingston make those ram, and kingston is a reliable memory maker, but the one you picked ain't that great for the price, it's pc2-5300 ram, for $50 you can get faster ram(pc2-6400 or pc2-8500), depending on which brand is it on sale.



AMD Phenom 9350e Agena 2.0GHz 4 x 512KB L2 Cache 2MB L3 Cache Socket AM2+ 65W Quad-Core Processor - Retail? you're kidding me here right? Nobody in their right mind nowadays after all the recent athlonII, phenomII releases would pick up one of these cpu, it's outdated, it's slow. I bet you probably picked it cuz it's quad core, and you're going with the 4 core is better then 2 mentality.


This build/bundle of yours is absolutely horrible, I almost want to call it one of those horrible Tigerdirect bundles designed to clear out oldstock and lure suckers in with their supposedly huge discount to buy, but I think that's a bit too harsh.

[funnypanks]

This kit is even cheaper ... http://www.canadacomputers.com/index.php?do=ShowProduct&cmd=pd&pid=016092&cid=RAM.346.307

i'd really prefer something without a MIR

[radical53]

$50 can you get a 500g sataII hdd, not just 160 or 320. People get fancy cases cuz they usually provide better air flow, easier installation of hdd/drives, and they look pretty darn cool. You're right about getting power supplies that's too high for their need, but most of the better power supply you get are more energy efficient, less prone to failure, and they dun get as hot. And if you're going to cheap out on case/psu, at least go get the one with the best value, and go all the way.
$28.34, black case w/ blue led lighted fan in the front, and include a 480w psu
http://www.bestdirect.ca/products/204791/Logisys_Computer/CS206BK/

Why get an IDE burner for $32.49 when you can get a faster sata for $25
Your Correct I did not pay attention to that detail (i was just checking newegg and that was there cheapest .ca burner I forgot about the sata thing.

With a $300 budget he is looking for a semi-decent computer and should not get a crappier computer just so it can look better so a fancy ps and tower are out of the question no matter how "cool" it makes you look. That $28 is a great deal for a tower and psu i will bookmark the site (i only checked newegg.ca as canada computers and tiger have been pissing me off lately for different reasons


Have you seen the 740g chipset board you suggested? it ain't the greatest you know, if you're gong to get a chipset, get 760g or higher, one with a better ipg. Preferrably a 780g right now, cuz a lot of them are gonig for $60 due to the fact that the 785g chipset just came out and stores want to clear out stocks.
Yes I have seen that board it is actually in my main gaming rig (details at bottom) and this guy is not gaming so the motherboard is perfectly fine for what he needs. Had he been looking for a fancier build with a higher budget that would have been on the shortlist for an upgrade to the new chipset

I dunno what's going on in your head when you picked those RAM, Yes, Kingston make those ram, and kingston is a reliable memory maker, but the one you picked ain't that great for the price, it's pc2-5300 ram, for $50 you can get faster ram(pc2-6400 or pc2-8500), depending on which brand is it on sale.
I thought the memory standard wad DDR2 667 but in hindsight it is DDR2 800 wich allowed for the pc2 6400 and not the pc2 8500, so i would change the ram, thanks for noticing that...



AMD Phenom 9350e Agena 2.0GHz 4 x 512KB L2 Cache 2MB L3 Cache Socket AM2+ 65W Quad-Core Processor - Retail? you're kidding me here right? Nobody in their right mind nowadays after all the recent athlonII, phenomII releases would pick up one of these cpu, it's outdated, it's slow. I bet you probably picked it cuz it's quad core, and you're going with the 4 core is better then 2 mentality.
First off no I didnt pick it cause its quad core, I am aware that quad core is not necesarialy better due to the fact that the 6000X2 windsor (and eventually the 6400X2 Windsor) were kicking the Phenom's a$$es when it came to the tasks that could not take advantage of 4 cores. Thinking forwardly (and a bit presently) where we will live in a multicore world almost all applications will be able to take advantage of multiple cores and that it is those situations it will shine, i stand by my decision on the cpu as it is fast enough for all situations (for comp's at this pricepoint) and alot faster when all four cores kick in.


This build/bundle of yours is absolutely horrible, I almost want to call it one of those horrible Tigerdirect bundles designed to clear out oldstock and lure suckers in with their supposedly huge discount to buy, but I think that's a bit too harsh.

Thanks for not going too far rotflmao


My Rig (built in January 09):
AMD Phenom 9600 Black Edition
GIGABYTE GA-MA74GM-S2
OCZ Technology OCZ2G8004GK 4gb
SAPPHIRE 100265HDMI Radeon HD 4830 512MB 256-bit GDDR3
WD 320GB Sata
LG DVD Burner Sata
Ultra Micro Fly (got it free so I am not that hypocritical :) )



To each their own

[Brewmeanie]

i'd really prefer something without a MIR

well, MIR are pretty much long term saving, especially the OCZ one. Took 1/2 a year to get mine.

[funnypanks]

well, MIR are pretty much long term saving, especially the OCZ one. Took 1/2 a year to get mine.

sarcasm is usually tough to catch in forums, good thing your remark was sooo sarcastic that it couldn't be overlooked

[mulambo187]

i'd recommend for a $300 build go 775 with e5200, asus p5kpl-cm upgrade to q6600 or some chip like that or 9550 when the price goes down in a year or so.

both better then phenom II x4 haha

[willy]

i'd recommend for a $300 build go 775 with e5200, asus p5kpl-cm upgrade to q6600 or some chip like that or 9550 when the price goes down in a year or so.

both better then phenom II x4 haha
Are you kidding ? Asus P5KPL-CM (G31) is so weak in terms of feature (ICH7, GMA 3100), it's not even funny ....

[terrybear]

i'd recommend for a $300 build go 775 with e5200, asus p5kpl-cm upgrade to q6600 or some chip like that or 9550 when the price goes down in a year or so.

both better then phenom II x4 haha

*LMAOL* .... shure its better if your talking about when only Phenom I's where out ..... ohhh the humility of being such a misinformed user on technoligy nowadays ..:lol::D

Ohhh don't forget the fact that 775 is done as of the end of the year being replaced by Core i5 socket 11xx .... good luck finding a replacement cpu or motherboard past that :lol:

[flyz]

i'd recommend for a $300 build go 775 with e5200, asus p5kpl-cm upgrade to q6600 or some chip like that or 9550 when the price goes down in a year or so.

both better then phenom II x4 haha

Maybe in your imaginary world.

[Mike^]

can i ask where u got the ram for $50?

oh i'm selling him my extra ram

[mulambo187]

yeah the phenom II 955 is faster clock for clock then the Q9550? nope. should be able to grab a Q6600 for about $180 right now too, Q9550 should have a big price drop on it too in a couple weeks, not to mention the amount of used ones you could probably find on craigslist etc.

775 is going to be around for awhile in terms of support, if anything replacement parts will be a dime a dozen, or even on the curb, for this platform. most computers have something fail on them withing a few years and that board although yeah should be found in a box of cerial is totally fine, and can handle those quads, extreme intel whatever. amd sucks and so do you!

http://forums.amd.com/game/messageview.cfm?catid=259&threadid=106233

yeah i guess its close though