BB: 37" Toshiba LCD $699 free shipping

[triniboy75]

Best buy has a Toshiba 37" LCD HDTV** (37AV502R) - Online Only for $699. with free shipping. Looks like a good price for a 37" as 40" are still going for 899 plus

http://www.bestbuy.ca/catalog/proddetail.asp?logon=&langid=EN&sku_id=0926INGFS10121909&catid=23244&CMP=NLC-email_weekly

[Captain Snazzypants]

3.75 ratings from customers, and it's not even a sale price. You can get a 42" Panasonic plasma for not too much more. Toshiba is a good maker and it might have been hot if it were 1080p so it could be used as a kick-ass PC monitor...

[mystery]

$699 for a name brand 37" LCD TV is the lowest I've seen.

Hot Deal IMHO.

[kyli]

If BB sell a 40 1080p brand name tv, I would say it is hot.

[yhap2003]

FYI, this is 720p so it's not hot

[mystery]

Unless you are going to use this as a PC monitor, you do not need 1080P on a 37" TV IMO.

Who ever watches 1080P content anyways?

I believe most HDTV isn't even 720P.

[shewa]

I'm not sure this is a very good deal. But to comment on the 720p vs. 1080p issue have a look at this excerpt from CNET.com The bottom line appears to be that 720 is fine in smaller sets. I personally have a high end THX certified 1080p set and find virtually no difference between hd television at 720p and bluerays at 1080p.
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We still believe that when you're dealing with TVs 50 inches and smaller, the added resolution has only a very minor impact on picture quality. In our tests, we put 720p (or 768p) sets next to 1080p sets, then feed them both the same source material, whether it's 1080i or 1080p, from the highest-quality Blu-ray player. We typically watch both sets for a while, with eyes darting back and forth between the two, looking for differences in the most-detailed sections, such as hair, textures of fabric, and grassy plains. Bottom line: It's almost always very difficult to see any difference--especially from farther than 8 feet away on a 50-inch TV.

http://reviews.cnet.com/720p-vs-1080p-hdtv/?tag=rtcol;relnews

[Captain Snazzypants]

Unless you are going to use this as a PC monitor, you do not need 1080P on a 37" TV IMO.

Who ever watches 1080P content anyways?

I believe most HDTV isn't even 720P.

720p is more than fine for this size. As mentioned here and above, this only matters if you want to use it as a monitor.

I have a Panny 50" 720p plasma and the PQ is fantastic - perfect colour balance and razor sharp text (but easy on the eyes). Ignore the 1080p snobs who know not of what they speak...

[BRAISKI]

Unless you are going to use this as a PC monitor, you do not need 1080P on a 37" TV IMO.

Who ever watches 1080P content anyways?


Misinformed, naive or "guilable" ppl who thinks that there is a huge difference between a 720p and 1080p esp on 37" TVs. Not to mention bragging rights lol. When the sales person tells them it looks 100x better and its a "real" HD! That you will need esp if you have BR player since it outputs 1080p. Its sad to see as soon as ppl dont see the 1080p capable they start dissing the TV. Just because commercial and marketing tells them.

Then you have some douche saying why buy a BR player when you do not have a 1080p TV, very sad... 720p is still very good and i is still HD. Unless you have a 50" TV then its a different story

Anyways I think this TV is a very good deal!

[eladmk]

What about the differences between 60hertz and 120hertz? people always hyped about this as well.

[Havo]

The difference between 60hz and 120hz is how many times it refreshes per second. A TV with 120hz will refresh its images 120 times/second as opposed to a 60hz one that will only do it 60times/second. It makes movements look smoother but some people think that it makes it look fake if you have a TV that runs at 120hz as opposed to one at 60hz. I would rather get one at 120hz but that's me. It makes a fair bit of difference on fast moving actions like movies or sports.

[smacd]

I bought 3 37" Toshiba 768P LCDs for $699 each in September '07 during a FS sale. I'm looking for 1 more but I want a better deal than this.

[Sansul]

Costco was selling 1080P 40 Inch Toshiba's for 820$ a few months ago. Really great price, TV looks great and has a plethora of connections on the back.

[granite_69]

I agree, its great when watching hockey or something fast paced.

But for avg sit coms or cartoons (Simpsons for example) it looks terrible!!
The refresh rate makes it look almost robotic

The difference between 60hz and 120hz is how many times it refreshes per second. A TV with 120hz will refresh its images 120 times/second as opposed to a 60hz one that will only do it 60times/second. It makes movements look smoother but some people think that it makes it look fake if you have a TV that runs at 120hz as opposed to one at 60hz. I would rather get one at 120hz but that's me. It makes a fair bit of difference on fast moving actions like movies or sports.

[mahjongmaniac]

$750 at FS, PM for another $5 off

http://www.futureshop.ca/catalog/proddetail.asp?sku_id=0665000FS10121909

[domhnall]

Misinformed, naive or "guilable" ppl who thinks that there is a huge difference between a 720p and 1080p esp on 37" TVs. Not to mention bragging rights lol. When the sales person tells them it looks 100x better and its a "real" HD! That you will need esp if you have BR player since it outputs 1080p. Its sad to see as soon as ppl dont see the 1080p capable they start dissing the TV. Just because commercial and marketing tells them.

Then you have some douche saying why buy a BR player when you do not have a 1080p TV, very sad... 720p is still very good and i is still HD. Unless you have a 50" TV then its a different story

Anyways I think this TV is a very good deal!

If you are using "bragging rights" as a justification for why people buy 1080p sets, then I must insist that the reasoning of "720p is all anybody needs" is justification for not wanting to buy a new set. It depends on the type of user. Most people may not notice, but depending on your seating proximity to the monitor, in many cases, 720p simply will not cut it, just as a Logitech 5.1 desktop speaker setup will not cut it for audiophiles. 720p is fine if you don't view 1080p content, and that goes without saying. If you view 1080p content, or value its suepriority, then obviously it is important to have. It depends on the end user.

As for whether or not it is a good deal, I think it is an okay deal, but nowhere near the deals going on during boxing week.



I agree, its great when watching hockey or something fast paced.

But for avg sit coms or cartoons (Simpsons for example) it looks terrible!!
The refresh rate makes it look almost robotic

The Simpsons looks stellar in HD now. Older episodes maybe not.

[granite_69]

Agreed on the 2009 HD Simpsons, but I find the 120Hz refresh rate still makes it look robotic... almost like their movements aren't real (as real as cartoon movements can be)





The Simpsons looks stellar in HD now. Older episodes maybe not.

[EGee6]

The whole knock on 60hz vs 120hz is that they're great for fast paced scenes (car chase scenes/sports) but suck when it comes to normal tv.

I put the blame on our eyes being so use to watching 60hz tv all these years so it looks weird to us when we switch to 120hz.

[BRAISKI]

If you are using "bragging rights" as a justification for why people buy 1080p sets, then I must insist that the reasoning of "720p is all anybody needs" is justification for not wanting to buy a new set. It depends on the type of user. Most people may not notice, but depending on your seating proximity to the monitor, in many cases, 720p simply will not cut it, just as a Logitech 5.1 desktop speaker setup will not cut it for audiophiles. 720p is fine if you don't view 1080p content, and that goes without saying. If you view 1080p content, or value its suepriority, then obviously it is important to have. It depends on the end user.

Please read carefully next time... Some ppl are bragging about their 37" TV or even 42" is AWESOME on 1080p maybe if you are sitting 3' in front of the TV.

Do you really think that 80% of ppl can see the difference between 720p and 1080p on a 37" or even a 42" TV? Say at 10'? I don't think so, most of them just believe what the sales person says. As soon as the sales person say can yo usee the difference it looks very different! It is very sad to see a lot of ppl are getting fooled.

Also in the end of my statement if you have a 50" TV then it might be different., I know you are trying to nit pick... So please read again...

In the end it really depends on the user and how they were brainwash.

Sometimes you need to put 2 things side by side to see and maybe hear the difference.

[BRAISKI]

What about the differences between 60hertz and 120hertz? people always hyped about this as well.

Personally I do not like 120Hz its a "nice" feature to have but as what the other guy said some movies looks "fake". Thats another selling point for misinformed consumer...

However if you do watch a lot of sports esp face paced games then the 120Hz is a very good feature.

[domhnall]

Please read carefully next time... Some ppl are bragging about their 37" TV or even 42" is AWESOME on 1080p maybe if you are sitting 3' in front of the TV.

Do you really think that 80% of ppl can see the difference between 720p and 1080p on a 37" or even a 42" TV? Say at 10'? I don't think so, most of them just believe what the sales person says. As soon as the sales person say can yo usee the difference it looks very different! It is very sad to see a lot of ppl are getting fooled.

Also in the end of my statement if you have a 50" TV then it might be different., I know you are trying to nit pick... So please read again...

In the end it really depends on the user and how they were brainwash.

Sometimes you need to put 2 things side by side to see and maybe hear the difference.


I apologize for misunderstanding you, if indeed that is the case, though I am confident I understood correctly and stand by my own points. However your writing was very poor, and I did my best to infer your point accurately. Next time, try writing more coherently and then these types of problems will be less frequent.

On a 40" screen at a distance of 10', the disparity between 720p and 1080p is glaringly obvious.

[Vinman]

On a 40" screen at a distance of 10', the disparity between 720p and 1080p is glaringly obvious.

40-42" is where I draw the line between 720p and 1080p, especially as I have 20/15 eyesight and can pick out the lines in a 720p plasma from across the room.

[CFRTim]

The difference between 60hz and 120hz is how many times it refreshes per second. A TV with 120hz will refresh its images 120 times/second as opposed to a 60hz one that will only do it 60times/second. It makes movements look smoother but some people think that it makes it look fake if you have a TV that runs at 120hz as opposed to one at 60hz. I would rather get one at 120hz but that's me. It makes a fair bit of difference on fast moving actions like movies or sports.

I think you, and many other people in this thread, are confusing 120hz refresh rate panels with frame interpolation technology (Motion Flow, Auto Motion Plus,...etc depending on the TV brand)
120hz TVs are better, while frame interpolation is a matter of choice

[funnypanks]

I think you, and many other people in this thread, are confusing 120hz refresh rate panels with frame interpolation technology (Motion Flow, Auto Motion Plus,...etc depending on the TV brand)
120hz TVs are better, while frame interpolation is a matter of choice

thanks for explaining that, i was at bb looking at 120hz tv's and 1 stuck out as looking buttery smooth, but very awkward, i'm now going to assume that it was using the interpolation thing

[GeneralDisaray]

$750 at FS, PM for another $5 off

http://www.futureshop.ca/catalog/proddetail.asp?sku_id=0665000FS10121909

or pay the extra $5 and get it at bb with free ground shipping to your door...i'd rather do that than spend time PMing at the store and having to lug a 37 inch tv in box back home.

[domhnall]

40-42" is where I draw the line between 720p and 1080p, especially as I have 20/15 eyesight and can pick out the lines in a 720p plasma from across the room.

At 10' I would draw the line at 37". I previously had a 32" 1080i TV and the difference between 720p and 1080i was quite apparent. Further back, it might be less of an issue for many though, or if your vision is not great and/or you don't wear glasses.

[yb1004]

The difference between 60hz and 120hz is how many times it refreshes per second. A TV with 120hz will refresh its images 120 times/second as opposed to a 60hz one that will only do it 60times/second. It makes movements look smoother but some people think that it makes it look fake if you have a TV that runs at 120hz as opposed to one at 60hz. I would rather get one at 120hz but that's me. It makes a fair bit of difference on fast moving actions like movies or sports.


Thank you for your helpful info. I would go for 120 Hz.:)

[gostinger]

Thank you for your helpful info. I would go for 120 Hz.:)

You won't regret it , as for those fancy technologies, motionn whatever they call it ...i don't use it.

[CFRTim]

At 10' I would draw the line at 37". I previously had a 32" 1080i TV and the difference between 720p and 1080i was quite apparent. Further back, it might be less of an issue for many though, or if your vision is not great and/or you don't wear glasses.

:lol:
Unless you had a CRT HDTV(very rare), you didn't have a 1080i TV set, as no such digital HDTVs exist. Therefore, you were comparing 2 720p TVs, so if there was a difference, it was not the resolution, but the picture quality

[bellboy26]

:lol:
Unless you had a CRT HDTV(very rare), you didn't have a 1080i TV set, as no such digital HDTVs exist. Therefore, you were comparing 2 720p TVs, so if there was a difference, it was not the resolution, but the picture quality

maybe he doesn't watch tv but only plays bluerays lol

[OOG FunK]

Sorry... cold deal...Toshiba's LCDs are not the best types of tvs in the first place... and I have seen better tvs that are bigger or the same size for the same price or less......

BTW... the tvs specs are lackluster compared to whats available now... contrast etc

[domhnall]

:lol:
Unless you had a CRT HDTV(very rare), you didn't have a 1080i TV set, as no such digital HDTVs exist. Therefore, you were comparing 2 720p TVs, so if there was a difference, it was not the resolution, but the picture quality
It was WXGA so 1366 x 768. I wasn't comparing for viewing HDTV. I meant for games. That was my point, that even in spite of the limitation of "1080i" there was a noticeable difference.

[Tacoma]

thanks for explaining that, i was at bb looking at 120hz tv's and 1 stuck out as looking buttery smooth, but very awkward, i'm now going to assume that it was using the interpolation thing

OK, let me throw in my 2 cents...

Re the "interpolating thing," I think you're referring to images being drawn on the 1080i screen in an interlaced fashion, the odd numbered lines are drawn first then the even numbered lines are drawn interlaced to fill out the full image. This is compared to a progressive scan where ALL the lines in the 1080p screen is drawn in one scan. Since in a 1080i it takes 2 scans to do one complete refresh you may see more jaggedness when the image is very fast moving in a 1080i compared to a 1080p. Note that BluRay movies are at 1080p but Hi-Def TV signals from, say, Rogers Cable, comes in at 1080i, so an 1080p TV has to upconvert the incoming Rogers signal.

Re 120Hz, the number reflects the refresh rate of the screen image. 120Hz means the screen image completely refreshes 120 times per second. 60Hz means the refresh is 60 times per second. So, obviously, the higher the number the better and the smoother the image. But there's more...

Movies in film are shot at progressive 24 frames per second. At 120Hz, each frame is repeated 5 times and we have a good smooth image. However, at 60Hz, there's a problem since you can't directly map the film frames to the display frames (i.e., 60 is not evenly divisable by 24). So you have to artifically manipulate the input signal which results in more blurriness or jaggedness on the screen at 60Hz.

TV video is shot at either 30 or 60 frames per second, so there's no signal manipulation at either 60Hz or 120Hz and you shouldn't seen much difference in picture jaggedness between the two. So video made for TV should be fine at either 60Hz or 120Hz; but if you watch a lot of BluRay movies, than the 120Hz should be smoother for reasons described above.

[Captain Snazzypants]

OK, let me throw in my 2 cents...

Re the "interpolating thing," I think you're referring to images being drawn on the 1080i screen in an interlaced fashion, the odd numbered lines are drawn first then the even numbered lines are drawn interlaced to fill out the full image. This is compared to a progressive scan where ALL the lines in the 1080p screen is drawn in one scan. Since in a 1080i it takes 2 scans to do one complete refresh you may see more jaggedness when the image is very fast moving in a 1080i compared to a 1080p. Note that BluRay movies are at 1080p but Hi-Def TV signals from, say, Rogers Cable, comes in at 1080i, so an 1080p TV has to upconvert the incoming Rogers signal.

Re 120Hz, the number reflects the refresh rate of the screen image. 120Hz means the screen image completely refreshes 120 times per second. 60Hz means the refresh is 60 times per second. So, obviously, the higher the number the better and the smoother the image. But there's more...

Movies in film are shot at progressive 24 frames per second. At 120Hz, each frame is repeated 5 times and we have a good smooth image. However, at 60Hz, there's a problem since you can't directly map the film frames to the display frames (i.e., 60 is not evenly divisable by 24). So you have to artifically manipulate the input signal which results in more blurriness or jaggedness on the screen at 60Hz.

TV video is shot at either 30 or 60 frames per second, so there's no signal manipulation at either 60Hz or 120Hz and you shouldn't seen much difference in picture jaggedness between the two. So video made for TV should be fine at either 60Hz or 120Hz; but if you watch a lot of BluRay movies, than the 120Hz should be smoother for reasons described above.

Excellent summary...