I just have a question regarding an old sale (RESOLVED)

[Letsgetit]

I am going to explain a situation that was brought to me today however I am going to leave the guys username and the store out of it for now. If I typed it out it would be very long so I'm going to do this in point form.

-I sold a gift card to a RFD member around June 18th
-We met in the store at customer service and verified the balance
-Either that day or a few days later he used the entire balance up
-He says he brought the tools home that same day and was told by his wife that his brother/uncle already had them
-He returned EVERYTHING but didn't do it until 9 days later (June 27th), receipts)
-He was issued store credit when he returned them
-He PM'd me asking if I have another gift card, I said no not the high amount he desired
-He said let me know when you do (accumalate I presume)
-I eventually totaled to an amount he desired so PM'd him back
-He agreed to meet at noon
-He called me at noon when I'm already there waiting saying he is seeing insufficient funds and cannot make it
-I asked if he can go to his branch instead of the ATM he was at and be there within 30mins, he said yes (over $500)
-He called 15mins later stating that he had the funds and he'd be there in 15mins to wait
-I see him approach my vehicle and he obviously took a picture of my vehicle (plates)
-He gets in and doesn't have the money he just made me wait 35mins for him to get
-He accuses me of selling him fradulent gift card
-He tells me the above mentioned story (he used the gift cards fine, decided to return the stuff 9 days later, got store credit, used $130 off of the store credit they issued him now he says that the card doesn't work anymore but has no proof or receipt of a decline or anything :confused:)
-I asked him to kindly stop lying and tell me what he wants because I have lots of feedback and members that can vouch for me that I'm not into fraudulent
-He said sorry for lying where I was and that I was getting the money
-I told him since you lie and asked me to meet you here for a sale and wasted over an hour of my time I find it hard to believe you and I said I'd investigate the matter and get back to him
-I no longer have my paperwork for the gift cards I issued him because it was a month ago issue-free
-I asked him if he was trying to spend less than the amount buying from me, return the items and try to pocket the cash and he declined to answer
-I informed him that I didn't issue him store credit, I issued him gift cards that he already spent in FULL
-I took a picture of his plates too because he was VERY shady and he let me
-I asked him why he didn't call me or PM me and tell me about anything instead of lying to me and making me think he was buying something from me and wasting an hour and a half of my time!!!!!!!!!??? Again, no answer.

Now I just got off the phone with customer service from the store in question. I was told the balance or the history of the store credit can only be verified or looked into in-store only.

Once again I have no proof nor did he provide any that his store credit wasn't working anymore.

I also asked customer service that even if the gift card was obtained fraudulently and the customer made a purchase, returned the items and was issued store credit if that store credit card given would have any ties to the originating gift cards and they said NO. They said that the gentleman would have to give them the store credit card and they can see all the dates etc. of when it was used. For all I know this guy bold-face lying to me or someone in his residence used it up!!!

Now I need some input of what if any role I have in this.
I have nothing but positive, 100% feedback and have NEVER had an issue buying, selling or trading, EVER.

Any help is appreciated.

EDIT: THIS MATTER HAS BEEN CLEARED UP AND RESOLVED.

[themagekiler]

Not that I'm taking sides here, from your point of view it seems you have done nothing wrong. after the buyer verified that the amount was on the card and used it you should have no obligation left. I would say ignore anything that they say to you and if they take legal action that's when it would get interesting to say the least.

[dead_cactus]

Not your problem. If the buyer used up the balance of the card you sold upon him returning the items to the store he would of been issued a new/different card.

[lookingforstufffff]

If it's true your gift card was not gained through fraudulent procedures then you have nothing to worry about there's nothing you can do and he's probably just trying to scam you. Assuming what you said is true of course.

[Letsgetit]

Thanks for the input guys. I just needed some verification because I know I didn't screw this guy and I think he knows it too. I also needed customer service to clarify this as well which they did. I guess something like this is bound to happen to everybody but even if he tries to persue something he has no merit or basis as he is totally dishonest. He is the type of person that agrees to a total over the phone and through PM then when we met face to face he was intentionally short of the total money! It was $20 short but its the principle.

[Ruffy]

That guy sounds shady, you SHOULD post his user name here so the rest of the community will be aware and avoid future dealings with this individual.

[kingofwale]

Any chance the guy's name is Tim Mui?

he did the same thing to me. here's the story
http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/showthread.php?t=754770

[mickola]

OK. Here's my story about this issue. I'm the buyer of his GC.

- Letsgetit sold me 3 gift cards @ $400 each. We met at Woodbridge HD and he allowed me to check out the balance at the cashier before I made the payment.

- I used the gift cards right away to buy some tools for my father and uncles.

- When I got home my wife told me to return them because she said they had them already. I went to the closest HD (Markham) and they refused to take them because of the inventory issues, I gotta to take back to the original store which is in Woodbridge and they said I have 90 days to return them.

- On June 27 (Saturday), I went to Woodbridge to return all the tools. I waited until weekend since I work downtown and don't get home until 7pm. I got a store credit with the value of the original gift cards ($1200). I used the store credit @HD Woodbridge that day to purchase few stuff ($130.69) and the receipt said that I still have the balance of $ 1,069.31 on my card.

- On June 28, I went to another HD close to my home in Markham to purchase few things and when I tried to use my store credit via self checkout and got an error. The cashier told me that there's $0 balance on my card and she threw it to the garbage. I told her that I'm supposed to have $1,069.31 remaining on the card and she pulled a history of the store credit. The system showed that a purchase I made a day earlier ($130.69) and just 2 minutes after the transaction, my store credit was flagged.

- She recommended me to contact the Store Manager of HD Woodbridge for further explaination.

- I went to HD Woodbridge the following day and managed to meet the person in charge (Ms. Tanya G.). I explained everything and she photocopied all the receipts I had and promised to call me after she made her investigation.

- That week, I got a call from HD Woodbridge and he (Peter?) told me that my store credit was flagged because of the original gift cards that I used earlier were purchased using a fraudulent credit card. There's nothing he can do especially since I purchased the cards from third party.

- I never purchased anything from BST forum and the reason I chose to buy from him (Letsgeit) because of the number of positive feedbacks he has. So, I pm'ed him and 'pretend' that I was gonna buy more cards from him. The reason was I didn't want to lose contact of him and just want to see him in person and I think that's the only way to do it, instead of emailing him about the issue and he can easily ignore me. It is my fault not to tell him the issue right away.

- Long story short, we met at Woodbridge. I took a picture of his license plate. I met him in his car and told him that the story above. I didn't accuse him a fraud! I just told him that HD flagged my store credit because the GC I bought from him were purchased using a fraudulent credit card, I just stated the fact!

- He started to accuse me that I'm trying to pocket the store credit which is ridiculous. The store credit is just store credit, it's not CASH and I never intend to get the cash from the GC I bought. The reason I bought GC for discounted price is the same as anybody in this forum, to get a better deal than paying full price if you buy it from the store.

- I even asked him to come to HD store to talk to the Store Manager but he refused.

- He promised me to investigate on his own. I also contacted the Customer Service, twice and got the same answer that the store credit I got links to the original gift cards and since they're bogus, my store credit is flagged. It's not about the actions I did (purchase tools, refund the tools and got the store credit, etc).

- I called Peter one more time and he ask me and the seller to come to his store. I PM'ed Letsgetit to meet him at HD Woodbridge and he kept calling me a name.

Sorry for long post, but I have to clarify the matter. I spent $1000 for the GC and if Letsgetit isn't guilty, he won't be afraid to go to HD store and meet me and the store manager there and explain everything. Anyway, I will scan all my receipts and post them on this thread.

I even told him since he got the cards from other party, that he may be scammed by his source.

Your thoughts? Reporting to the police is my last resort, I just want my money back (minus the purchase I made).

Edited to embed some scans of my receipts:

The first receipt where I used all the GC to purchase tools:
http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/8341/receipt2.gif (http://img148.imageshack.us/i/receipt2.gif/) http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/receipt2.gif/1/w290.png (http://g.imageshack.us/img148/receipt2.gif/1/)


Second receipt showing the refund I got in store credit.
http://img237.imageshack.us/img237/4489/receipt3.gif (http://img237.imageshack.us/i/receipt3.gif/) http://img237.imageshack.us/img237/receipt3.gif/1/w244.png (http://g.imageshack.us/img237/receipt3.gif/1/)



Last one, showing the balance remaining on my card just before the sytem flagged me for suspicious GC cards.
http://img56.imageshack.us/img56/856/receipt1.gif (http://img56.imageshack.us/i/receipt1.gif/) http://img56.imageshack.us/img56/receipt1.gif/1/w214.png (http://g.imageshack.us/img56/receipt1.gif/1/)



I am going to explain a situation that was brought to me today however I am going to leave the guys username and the store out of it for now. If I typed it out it would be very long so I'm going to do this in point form.

-I sold a gift card to a RFD member around June 18th
-We met in the store at customer service and verified the balance
-Either that day or a few days later he used the entire balance up
-He says he brought the tools home that same day and was told by his wife that his brother/uncle already had them
-He returned EVERYTHING but didn't do it until 9 days later (June 27th), receipts)
-He was issued store credit when he returned them
-He PM'd me asking if I have another gift card, I said no not the high amount he desired
-He said let me know when you do (accumalate I presume)
-I eventually totaled to an amount he desired so PM'd him back
-He agreed to meet at noon
-He called me at noon when I'm already there waiting saying he is seeing insufficient funds and cannot make it
-I asked if he can go to his branch instead of the ATM he was at and be there within 30mins, he said yes (over $500)
-He called 15mins later stating that he had the funds and he'd be there in 15mins to wait
-I see him approach my vehicle and he obviously took a picture of my vehicle (plates)
-He gets in and doesn't have the money he just made me wait 35mins for him to get
-He accuses me of selling him fradulent gift card
-He tells me the above mentioned story (he used the gift cards fine, decided to return the stuff 9 days later, got store credit, used $130 off of the store credit they issued him now he says that the card doesn't work anymore but has no proof or receipt of a decline or anything :confused:)
-I asked him to kindly stop lying and tell me what he wants because I have lots of feedback and members that can vouch for me that I'm not into fraudulent
-He said sorry for lying where I was and that I was getting the money
-I told him since you lie and asked me to meet you here for a sale and wasted over an hour of my time I find it hard to believe you and I said I'd investigate the matter and get back to him
-I no longer have my paperwork for the gift cards I issued him because it was a month ago issue-free
-I asked him if he was trying to spend less than the amount buying from me, return the items and try to pocket the cash and he declined to answer
-I informed him that I didn't issue him store credit, I issued him gift cards that he already spent in FULL
-I took a picture of his plates too because he was VERY shady and he let me
-I asked him why he didn't call me or PM me and tell me about anything instead of lying to me and making me think he was buying something from me and wasting an hour and a half of my time!!!!!!!!!??? Again, no answer.

Now I just got off the phone with customer service from the store in question. I was told the balance or the history of the store credit can only be verified or looked into in-store only.

Once again I have no proof nor did he provide any that his store credit wasn't working anymore.

I also asked customer service that even if the gift card was obtained fraudulently and the customer made a purchase, returned the items and was issued store credit if that store credit card given would have any ties to the originating gift cards and they said NO. They said that the gentleman would have to give them the store credit card and they can see all the dates etc. of when it was used. For all I know this guy bold-face lying to me or someone in his residence used it up!!!

Now I need some input of what if any role I have in this.
I have nothing but positive, 100% feedback and have NEVER had an issue buying, selling or trading, EVER.

Any help is appreciated.

[Letsgetit]

Well for those of you who wanted to know his username it is clearly: "mickola"

Stay away from dealing with people with ZERO feedback is the lesson here.

This guy admitted to lying to me and pretending to purchase something.
No matter what anyone who has an issue with something they purchased would PM, email or call not lie to the person and set them up to meet somewhere and waste an hour and a half of their time talking about nonsense. I don't have time to meet with you considering what you did last time buddy.

This guy agreed to buy $1200 worth gift cards for $1020 (15% off when you do the math). This guy verified everything with me and pulled out $1000 and refused to give me the $20 he agreed upon (cheapskate). Then he maxes out the gift card plus $60.** dollars from his own credit card to buy stuff (hmmm). Then he waits 9 days and returns EVERYTHING. Uses the store credit he was issued and thinks I must address it even though I didn't sell him store credit. As far as your claim that the gift card was obtained through fraudulent purposes, I did my own investigation into that. I spoke with a store employee, a store manager and called their customer service line and spoke with three different individuals and they all stated that if you buy something with a gift card, return what you bought and are given store credit that that store credit does not have any link to the gift card. So basically if you had an issue with the gift card and you couldn't buy anything then I'd investigate the matter and issue you a full refund but you had NO issue with the gift card. You spent all the money on it, mickola.

Your story has so many holes. I have already informed the administrator about this. As far as the names I called you I called you a liar and accused you of trying to extort people.

Ryan has been aware of you for over a week.

[Letsgetit]

Also notice that I have stated nothing but facts. You cannot contest anything I have stated in this thread as not the truth yet I find many statements in your post that is not the truth similar to the lies you told me over the phone, over PM and to my face!

You posted using $130 of your store credit, where is the voided transaction receipt that your store credit does not work? You said it was flagged because of the gift card but you bought it with store credit? You are drawing conclusions now. You are going to look mighty silly if you go to the store and they tell you that it was flagged for other reasons and you go on and use it without issue, aren't you?

[Letsgetit]

"if Letsgetit isn't afraid"
"he kept calling me a name"
"I 'pretend' I was going to buy something"
"Long story short..."

You keep trying to bait people into doing what you want to do. Why didn't you have the full payment when we met? Why don't you tell the full story about how we agreed to meet at noon and you called me at noon saying lets meet in two days instead because your bank said insufficient funds then 15 minutes later you call back saying you have the money. Then 15 more mintues later (while I was waiting) you show up with no money. YOU ARE A LIAR and I don't believe you. I'm not going to waste any more of my time. I have been told by multiple people that I have nothing to do with this and just like the PM I sent you, its not about having anything to prove its about you potentially trying to pull a fast one and for whatever reason it is blowing up in your face and you said you didn't even tell your wife what you tried to do so don't come here and lie to the members as well buddy.

[mickola]

Tell me, is it hard for you to settle this dispute in more civilized way?
I just want you to come to the store, explain it to the store manager that told me that the GC were purchased using a fraudulent credit card. As simple as that. I won't call you liar or anything, but if you refuse to do so, I'll escalate this issue to the police.

When I posted WTB: Home Depot GC, I got PM from prestige45 and Letsgetit. It's funny that I chose to buy the HD GC from Letsgetit, rather than from prestige45, see this thread about prestige45
http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/showthread.php?t=762742

I was supposed to be lucky, wasn't I? :(

It's interesting that we see so many posts about Home Depot scam lately.


"if Letsgetit isn't afraid"
"he kept calling me a name"
"I 'pretend' I was going to buy something"
"Long story short..."

You keep trying to bait people into doing what you want to do. Why didn't you have the full payment when we met? Why don't you tell the full story about how we agreed to meet at noon and you called me at noon saying lets meet in two days instead because your bank said insufficient funds then 15 minutes later you call back saying you have the money. Then 15 more mintues later (while I was waiting) you show up with no money. YOU ARE A LIAR and I don't believe you. I'm not going to waste any more of my time. I have been told by multiple people that I have nothing to do with this and just like the PM I sent you, its not about having anything to prove its about you potentially trying to pull a fast one and for whatever reason it is blowing up in your face and you said you didn't even tell your wife what you tried to do so don't come here and lie to the members as well buddy.

[Letsgetit]

Dude. You are a liar. I met with you twice, once for a sale and once for a total of 2 hours of wasted time. I cannot take time out of my day to meet with liars. You PM'd me and said you required $1000 and I didn't have $1000.

Why is it that you're the only one out of about 4 gentlemen I've sold this gift card to that has a problem huh? Other people I meet with are very nice people and they are on time. You've been on RFD for 6 years and have zero positive feedback. I've been for roughly 3 years and have 15 positive. Three years of no complaints then comes you. I've done enough back and forth PMs with you no more back and forth here. Do what you have to do but I'm just telling you that if you do what you were supposed to do which is physically go to the store and bring up a history of your Store credit they can tell you all the dates etc and if they happen to clear that up for you, you are going to look mighty silly infront of other members and nobody will deal with you.

[mickola]

IF I spent the GC for the tools and didn't return them all, YES I'll give you a good feedback and my impression to you is gonna be good.

The issue happened after I returned the items after a week.
Can you elaborate if all your buyers spent the GC right away after they got them from you? Why are you so afraid to see the Store Manager of Home Depot and kept calling me LIAR? If you're not doing anything wrong, just come and discuss this matter in adult manner and don't just be an ONLINE THUG.

The second meeting we had, YES I lied to you. I just wanted to meet you in person. This is exactly what I'm afraid of. If I PM you about the issue, you can easily refuse to meet me. It just like what I'm having now. When I told you about the fraudulent cards and asked you to meet me & the SM, you REFUSE to come.

You asked about my ZERO feedback? Ask anyone in this forum if they have ever had any transactions with me! As I mentioned to you earlier, I NEVER make any transactions with anyone in this forum, you're the first one... and maybe the last one. :(

[Letsgetit]

Look, I stated that I spoke with customer service, a store employee and a store manager. How do you know that the manager I spoke to isn't the same one you want me to meet with? You assume and lie. Bad combination. How are you going to accuse me of being an online thug when you're the one that is trying to bully people??? That is comical. I have a card that was originally $200 that currently has $84.13 on it that I have had since May and it still works Einstein (I told you about this when we met) this is not some hurry use it quick thing like you're trying to imply. Normally people who buy gift cards actually intend to use them and not return the items 9 days later and try to pull a fast one on the store. I don't think anyone would meet with you considering what you've already put me through the last two times. So stop trying to make it seem like it is fear. I am not going to defend myself about store credit that I did not give you. As a matter of fact can some other members chime in here and state your thoughts. We've got an admitted liar here that is looking mighty suspect right now. Stop trying to threaten people when you have no merit. Like I said do what you have to do, I have nothing to hide and nothing to prove so follow through on your threats buddy.

[mickola]

I spoke with Peter & Tanya from Woodbridge HD. Peter is the one who wants to meet you personally and he's the one who called & informed me that the GCs were bogus.

I called HD Customer Service and spoke with a lady, Melissa. She gave me her direct number and she made a call to Woodbridge HD to investigate the issue. She even called me back to inform me the same thing.

So, who's the liar now?

Anyone want to share their thoughts? HD reps? Derek? Ryan?



Look, I stated that I spoke with customer service, a store employee and a store manager. How do you know that the manager I spoke to isn't the same one you want me to meet with? You assume and lie. Bad combination. How are you going to accuse me of being an online thug when you're the one that is trying to bully people??? That is comical. I have a card that was originally $200 that currently has $84.13 on it that I have had since May and it still works Einstein (I told you about this when we met) this is not some hurry use it quick thing like you're trying to imply. Normally people who buy gift cards actually intend to use them and not return the items 9 days later and try to pull a fast one on the store. I don't think anyone would meet with you considering what you've already put me through the last two times. So stop trying to make it seem like it is fear. I am not going to defend myself about store credit that I did not give you. As a matter of fact can some other members chime in here and state your thoughts. We've got an admitted liar here that is looking mighty suspect right now. Stop trying to threaten people when you have no merit. Like I said do what you have to do, I have nothing to hide and nothing to prove so follow through on your threats buddy.

[Letsgetit]

IF I spent the GC for the tools and didn't return them all, YES I'll give you a good feedback and my impression to you is gonna be good.

The issue happened after I returned the items after a week.
Can you elaborate if all your buyers spent the GC right away after they got them from you? Why are you so afraid to see the Store Manager of Home Depot and kept calling me LIAR? If you're not doing anything wrong, just come and discuss this matter in adult manner and don't just be an ONLINE THUG.

The second meeting we had, YES I lied to you. I just wanted to meet you in person. This is exactly what I'm afraid of. If I PM you about the issue, you can easily refuse to meet me. It just like what I'm having now. When I told you about the fraudulent cards and asked you to meet me & the SM, you REFUSE to come.

You asked about my ZERO feedback? Ask anyone in this forum if they have ever had any transactions with me! As I mentioned to you earlier, I NEVER make any transactions with anyone in this forum, you're the first one... and maybe the last one. :(

The proof is in the pudding. That is why.

[mickola]

Bold the whole part, mister!

I apologized for trying to bargain $20 from the original price (which apparently gave you a nightmare that you kept brought this up over and over again...)

I also apologized for misleading you on the second meeting, crushing your wish to score some money from me.

See my reasoning and I don't think the main issue is the part when I tried to lure you to see me and talk in person.

Stick to the main issue. The GIFT CARDs you sold were tagged by HOME DEPOT, purchased using the fraudulent credit card..

You need to defend yourself and not accusing your victim as a liar. It's a serious issue and if you think you're not guilty, come to the store like a man and resolve the issue with me.


Originally Posted by mickola View Post
IF I spent the GC for the tools and didn't return them all, YES I'll give you a good feedback and my impression to you is gonna be good.

The issue happened after I returned the items after a week.
Can you elaborate if all your buyers spent the GC right away after they got them from you? Why are you so afraid to see the Store Manager of Home Depot and kept calling me LIAR? If you're not doing anything wrong, just come and discuss this matter in adult manner and don't just be an ONLINE THUG.

The second meeting we had, YES I lied to you. I just wanted to meet you in person. This is exactly what I'm afraid of. If I PM you about the issue, you can easily refuse to meet me. It just like what I'm having now. When I told you about the fraudulent cards and asked you to meet me & the SM, you REFUSE to come.

You asked about my ZERO feedback? Ask anyone in this forum if they have ever had any transactions with me! As I mentioned to you earlier, I NEVER make any transactions with anyone in this forum, you're the first one... and maybe the last one.

[MADster123]

Hello Letsgetit and Mickola,

Long thread you guys...I still actually don't understand the case here... HOWEVER,

I wonder what's the number of the kind manager who looked at the issue and wanted to speak with you two?
I wonder what's the number of the HD customer service line that you called to get those card history and info?
I have been trying all over at the Home Depot where my incident took place but I am having no luck with it:
The cashiers didn't seem to care they said they don't have rights to pull data.
I searched online for a number but couldn't find it.
There's no number printed on the gift card that I have...

Much appreciated if you don't mind posting the contact information -- THANKS.

I'm definitely the super poor girl >:( here though-- and Prestige45 is definitely A SCAMMER!! :evil:

[malacus]

Is there proof that the gift cards were fraudulent?
Is there proof that the buyer lost money?
What credit card was used to purchase the gift cards?
Where was it used?
Who did the seller buy the gift cards from?
Where is a copy of the transaction (credit card company) pulling money from the store credit? (I knew they could do this with gift cards, but never knew they could track store credit)

Help find out the real culprit, the person who used the fraudulent credit card.

Why did the buyer make the seller wait when meeting up - and showing up with less money then agreed upon is bad etiquette. Boo. That doesn't make the buyer a scammer, just.. not someone I'd want to deal with.

Both should go in together and resolve the issue. The buyer should buy the seller a fancy coffee drink for his time (you saved $20 remember?). The seller has nothing to gain from doing all this but should be understanding that if it happened to him he'd want the same thing.

[heymanwuzup]

this is quite interesting. such a heated debate and NO RFDers are talking...i guess everyone is as confused as i am...cuz both parties seem logical and credible with their claims, yet it's the buyer who is unwilling to cooperate. Yes, the buyer TECHNICALLY is not obligated to go through all the trouble to prove that he is innocent (assuming he really is.) The buyer is really at a disadvantage because the buyer will not gain anything if the seller does not cooperate.

at the end of the day, BST feedback and your joined date really just mean pure shiat. it is not really a valid claim of "i am not a scammer." I believe if the seller wants to remain reputable, do something. seriously, you spent 3 years to build up your reputation of 15 feedbacks. are you gonna let it all go because of a buyer (who you think is a liar)?

get this over with and prove to us, all of us, who the real liar is...

i am actually on the buyer's side though...but i can always be dead wrong.

[mickola]

Thank you for your support.
I just want to resolve the issue which I believe can be done if Letsgetit is willing to cooperate with me, meeting with the Store Manager that said the GC I bought from him were fraud. That's it.

Like the previous poster said, the real culprit might be the guy/girl who sold GC to Letsgeit.


this is quite interesting. such a heated debate and NO RFDers are talking...i guess everyone is as confused as i am...cuz both parties seem logical and credible with their claims, yet it's the buyer who is unwilling to cooperate. Yes, the buyer TECHNICALLY is not obligated to go through all the trouble to prove that he is innocent (assuming he really is.) The buyer is really at a disadvantage because the buyer will not gain anything if the seller does not cooperate.

at the end of the day, BST feedback and your joined date really just mean pure shiat. it is not really a valid claim of "i am not a scammer." I believe if the seller wants to remain reputable, do something. seriously, you spent 3 years to build up your reputation of 15 feedbacks. are you gonna let it all go because of a buyer (who you think is a liar)?

get this over with and prove to us, all of us, who the real liar is...

i am actually on the buyer's side though...but i can always be dead wrong.

[mickola]

Is there proof that the gift cards were fraudulent?

The SM of HD Woodbridge told me that the GC were fraudulent. A customer service reps. told me the same thing after she made her own investigation.

Is there proof that the buyer lost money?
When I got my store credit rejected (@ HD Markham), the cashier showed me the history of the card on the screen, but she couldn't make a print-out of it and asked me to see the SM @ HD Woodbridge. The last receipt showed my balance on the card before it's rejected. As I said, the store credit card was rejected just few minutes after my $130.xx transaction.

This is why I'd like the seller to come to that store to meet the SM and explain everything.

The seller didn't mention that on the first meeting I was 30 minute early. I'm pretty sure, if everything goes well, both party will leave positive feedbacks and there's no 'hard-feeling-because-he-bargained-$20-from-the-original-price'. Honestly, I ask every hardcore RFD-ers, if the price is $1020 (15%off $1200), aren't you gonna try to haggle it, make it round to $1000? The seller can easily reject my offer and I would still pay him $1020. It wouldn't kill the transaction, he's OK with it but kept bringing this up like I'm a really bad buyer that try to leech every single pennies from him.

The second meeting isn't about the BST, it's more 'my way' to lure him to meet me and while we were there, I also asked him to speak the SM about it. Too bad, he refused to see him that time.

Yes, I pretended that I'm going to buy another GC from him, but if this is the first time you make a deal with someone via BST and it involves lots of cash. And you found out that there's something wrong with the thing you purchase, aren't you gonna freak out? The first thing in my mind was how I'm gonna meet him again. I'd like to see him in person and I thought it's gonna be hard if we just exchange PM or words (like what we're doing now). Hence the idea of 'pretend to buy another GC'.

I've never been scammed before and I always try to do my homework before making a purchase (research, etc). I said again to you Letsgetit, I'm sorry for making you wait for me for the second meeting and tricked you, but the issue might be solved if you're willing to see the SM in the first place.

So, the question is, Letsgetit, are you willing to meet me there (HD Woodbridge) sometimes this week to resolve the issue?




Is there proof that the gift cards were fraudulent?
Is there proof that the buyer lost money?
What credit card was used to purchase the gift cards?
Where was it used?
Who did the seller buy the gift cards from?
Where is a copy of the transaction (credit card company) pulling money from the store credit? (I knew they could do this with gift cards, but never knew they could track store credit)

Help find out the real culprit, the person who used the fraudulent credit card.

Why did the buyer make the seller wait when meeting up - and showing up with less money then agreed upon is bad etiquette. Boo. That doesn't make the buyer a scammer, just.. not someone I'd want to deal with.

Both should go in together and resolve the issue. The buyer should buy the seller a fancy coffee drink for his time (you saved $20 remember?). The seller has nothing to gain from doing all this but should be understanding that if it happened to him he'd want the same thing.

[Letsgetit]

malacas, there is no proof of mickola's claim. Just his verbal and him typing it here. But he is not credible when it comes to the truth.

heymanwuzup, you put some input but you must not understand the story. This guy lied to me and wasted 2 hours of my time and tricked me into meeting up. He claims he was afraid I would ignore his PMs or something. But I've responded to every one and even did my own investigagion. If mickola had a problem with the gift card I would meet with him no problem, manager whoever! But his issue isn't with the gift card it is with a store credit card that the store issued him when he returned $1200 worth of items he paid $1000 for.

Lets get one thing clear mickola because you keep bringing up the $20 issue. This is what happend. We agreed to 15% off which is $1020. We agreed via PM and a verbal agreement that he was to SHOW UP with that amount ($1020) BEFOREHAND. Then when we met up and verified the balance he then said I'm only giving you $1000 and really only gave me $1000. I asked him if he is serious because that is SHADY. You don't do that on here buddy, any negociating is done PRIOR to the meetup. You don't do that, period. Any member will back that up because that is wrong. So don't say you're not cheap because you are. That is that. And when I call you a liar it isn't because of that it is because of our 2nd meetup when you made me wait like 35mins for you and you said you were going to the bank and you showed up with NO money accusing me (YES YOU DID).

Now, going back to what I said... If this guy had an issue with the gift card it would be a whole other story. Put it like this, if you were to buy a DVD off of somebody, watch it 3 times, your XBOX scratched it up and it no longer worked in your DVD player do you think that the store or member you bought it from would give you a refund? And even if they did (store) and the new copy turned out to be scratched and wouldn't work do you think that the member owes you a refund for a DVD he didn't sell you?

This guys issue lies with his store credit card. Now answer me this, why would one customer service rep tell me that there would be no link between cards in this scenario and another rep tell him that they will always link. From he told me that I knew he was full of crap.

Like I said, I have a card with a balance remaining from May that is still in use. I was in contact with a member yesterday with a card I sold him that is fine and still in use. If many people were complaining then I would have something to prove but mickola needs to go to the store by himself and investigate his STORE CREDIT people. I do not need to be present for that. I understand that it would be a nice thing for me to do but this guy lied to my face, wasted hours out of my workweek and I don't feel obligated. Not just because he is a lying, cheapskate and scumbag but, I have received notice that this is not my issue. I have been in contact with a moderator about this since July 6th!

I've co-operated with this guy and returned every PM but I will not talk about store credit. You used the gift cards. I received my information from three reputable sources that EVEN IF the gift cards were obtained fraudulently that there is NO link.

I have explained what needs to be explained. You know you cannot point out one lie in anyting I've typed so why don't you follow through in your threats dude because you're starting to look silly now. I have nothing to prove, and my 100% positive feedback doesn't need to be defended. I've investigated, I've talked to members I've dealt with recently with no issue.

I don't know, kingofwale. This guy could be a timmui. Are you timmui? Are you trying to extort members of redflagdeals?

[mickola]

So do you think I made out story, created fictional characters of Store Manager/Person-In-Charge @ HD Woodbridge, customer service reps I talked to via 1-800 number, etc? :rolleyes:

You were THERE (dWoodbridge) and I asked you NICELY to go inside to talk to them and you blatantly REFUSE. It's not about you feel obligated or not. I wonder why you are so afraid to go inside to talk to them. Who's the SHADY one? Whom are you trying to protect? Your source?

You've taken the picture of the GC & store credit, you can call (905) 851-1800, it's HD Woodbridge number. Ask for Peter, ask him if he had talked to a customer about fraudulent GCs. You can clarify yourself if I fabricated the story or you just randomly throw your tantrum and won't admit that you can be wrong. I trust you based on your BST, Hofo, or Heatware and I am pretty sure you want to build a good reputation. But if something happened; like in my case; it doesn't mean the other party is always WRONG and you're RIGHT.

You said you've tried to cooperate with me. I can take a screenshot of our PM conversation where you're basically accusing me as a LIAR, etc. Maybe I don't need to since everyone can see your response. Grow up man!

I'll do further investigation myself. Other members feel free to chip in their opinions.


malacas, there is no proof of mickola's claim. Just his verbal and him typing it here. But he is not credible when it comes to the truth.

heymanwuzup, you put some input but you must not understand the story. This guy lied to me and wasted 2 hours of my time and tricked me into meeting up. He claims he was afraid I would ignore his PMs or something. But I've responded to every one and even did my own investigagion. If mickola had a problem with the gift card I would meet with him no problem, manager whoever! But his issue isn't with the gift card it is with a store credit card that the store issued him when he returned $1200 worth of items he paid $1000 for.

Lets get one thing clear mickola because you keep bringing up the $20 issue. This is what happend. We agreed to 15% off which is $1020. We agreed via PM and a verbal agreement that he was to SHOW UP with that amount ($1020) BEFOREHAND. Then when we met up and verified the balance he then said I'm only giving you $1000 and really only gave me $1000. I asked him if he is serious because that is SHADY. You don't do that on here buddy, any negociating is done PRIOR to the meetup. You don't do that, period. Any member will back that up because that is wrong. So don't say you're not cheap because you are. That is that. And when I call you a liar it isn't because of that it is because of our 2nd meetup when you made me wait like 35mins for you and you said you were going to the bank and you showed up with NO money accusing me (YES YOU DID).

Now, going back to what I said... If this guy had an issue with the gift card it would be a whole other story. Put it like this, if you were to buy a DVD off of somebody, watch it 3 times, your XBOX scratched it up and it no longer worked in your DVD player do you think that the store or member you bought it from would give you a refund? And even if they did (store) and the new copy turned out to be scratched and wouldn't work do you think that the member owes you a refund for a DVD he didn't sell you?

This guys issue lies with his store credit card. Now answer me this, why would one customer service rep tell me that there would be no link between cards in this scenario and another rep tell him that they will always link. From he told me that I knew he was full of crap.

Like I said, I have a card with a balance remaining from May that is still in use. I was in contact with a member yesterday with a card I sold him that is fine and still in use. If many people were complaining then I would have something to prove but mickola needs to go to the store by himself and investigate his STORE CREDIT people. I do not need to be present for that. I understand that it would be a nice thing for me to do but this guy lied to my face, wasted hours out of my workweek and I don't feel obligated. Not just because he is a lying, cheapskate and scumbag but, I have received notice that this is not my issue. I have been in contact with a moderator about this since July 6th!

I've co-operated with this guy and returned every PM but I will not talk about store credit. You used the gift cards. I received my information from three reputable sources that EVEN IF the gift cards were obtained fraudulently that there is NO link.

I have explained what needs to be explained. You know you cannot point out one lie in anyting I've typed so why don't you follow through in your threats dude because you're starting to look silly now. I have nothing to prove, and my 100% positive feedback doesn't need to be defended. I've investigated, I've talked to members I've dealt with recently with no issue.

I don't know, kingofwale. This guy could be a timmui. Are you timmui? Are you trying to extort members of redflagdeals?

[Letsgetit]

You can go ahead and screenshot the PM where I called you a liar. But I also called you a liar in this thread as well. And you admitted that you lied as well. So what would be the point?

I deleted the pictures of the store credit card because when I called customer service they told me that they cannot bring up that information over the phone so it is no use to me. And I did not sell you that.

Dude you told me your story and it was different each time that day. You even said that I probably made up accounts and left feedback for myself :confused: What kind of nonsense is that? Why would I take time out of my day to deal with somebody like that man? I even told you to contact everyone I've dealt with. I don't have time for the back and forth nonsense. Go ahead and look silly on your own.

Even when you approached my vehicle I didn't trust you. You kind of snuck up behind me and I saw you pull out your camera phone. For all I know you could be trying to lure people and rob them. Why on Earth would I conform to your demands at this point?

The bottom line is I did not issue you store credit. You claim the store credit is tied to the originating gift cards that you spent in full even though sources say otherwise. Now, if that is true go to the store by yourself and investigate as I did, by myself. There are many possibilities all which I do not know. You used $60 of your own money off your credit card too, maybe your credit card is fraudulent and they flagged it, I didn't accuse you of that come on you are pulling things out of the air.

I did my investigation on my own, we are not neighbours, go and investigate on your own. You don't need your hand held. I sold you gift cards, not store credit.

Yes, members share your opinions.

[cgtlky]

GC is legit, but HD told mickola it was purchased using a fradulent credit card.
mickola invited Letsgetit to go inside HD to hear the CSR story.
Letsgetit refused, at this point I can conclude that Letsgetit already know something is wrong with the GC.

Letsgetit if you are honest (even you have positive feedback) you should have agree to go in with mickola.

[Parth]

Letsgetit, why don't you at least call the HD number that he gave you and speak to this Peter fellow?

A simple phone call could make this all go away for you. The only thing I can conclude is that you know you won't hear what you want to from Peter and so you refuse to make the call.

If you ask me, you're the shady one.

About 5 or 6 RFD members have said the exact same thing and yet you still feel like you have nothing to prove. I think you do. I would never deal with you unless this situation were resolved.

[Letsgetit]

Parth and cgtlky. I hope you understand the issue here. I am not obligated to defend something I did not sell him. If his theory is correct then the store can prove it.

Just because Parth says I should meet with him doesn't mean I have to. I can meet and speak with them by myself. I do not trust mickola, he lied to my face and when you don't trust somebody you don't meet them after they intentionally waste your time. Why do you think you meet in public places? If someone set you up, lied to you and shortchanged you and wasted two hours of your time I would not tell any member to go ahead and meet up with them anyways. Think.

I will talk with them at the store and inform mickola.

You must understand that I investigated this issue, got answers and because mickola states the total opposite, I am going to assist investigating something I did not sell him.

If you sold him a DVD with receipt and he scratched it up and returned it to the store for an exchange and had an issue with the new one, would you give him a refund? I sold him a gift card that he used and maxed out and probably used the tools then waited 9 days to return them. Now I am being put in a situation.

This deal was closed on JUNE 18th!!! He didn't call nor PM and tricked me into meeting him on July 6th. That is shady and that is not somebody you should do business with. I will once again try to find the time and meet with them and message mickola.

If you don't understand what has transpired here refrain from posting, Parth.
I have called. I even asked him what he wanted because I was trying to understand what his issue is and I couldn't get an answer. Does he want a refund for something I didn't sell him? Does he want help figuring out why his store credit may have been flagged? Does he want a print-out of the store credit use to see if someone in his household used it up without his knowledge? Does he want a three-way conversation with the store manager? I have no idea what he wants and neither do you.

[mickola]

Just because Parth says I should meet with him doesn't mean I have to. I can meet and speak with them by myself. I do not trust mickola, he lied to my face and when you don't trust somebody you don't meet them after they intentionally waste your time.

Stop making excuse, sir!
What I wanted from you is just a simple thing. Meet with me and Peter from HD. I ain't ask you to just meet me ALONE. A neutral place, with all parties involved in this issue. Explain to Peter where you got your GC, because HD flagged them as fraudulent (That's the reason my store credit has ZERO balance). If you can prove them you got them legitimately, it will solve everything. Plain and simple.

This deal was closed on JUNE 18th!!! He didn't call nor PM and tricked me into meeting him on July 6th. That is shady and that is not somebody you should do business with. I will once again try to find the time and meet with them and message mickola.

Yes, the deal has taken place on June 18, it DOESN't mean if there's an issue with the deal after the transaction, you can easily get away from it. I got the GC from YOU! I didn't know there's something wrong with the card until June 28. Even when I got refund in store credit on June 27, I still thought everything's fine.

With your logic, all the scammers will live happily because once the transaction's done, the sellers don't have responsibility on the items they sell. We're talking about GC here, sir. GC with the worth of $1000!

After this long thread, I still haven't got a straight answer from you why you refused to meet the SM. I believe all the posters who follow this thread also wonder.

[Ryan]

My guess is that returning $1200 worth of items purchased with a gift card is what got it flagged.

Letsgetit, post how you obtained the gift card. That seems to be the only thing in question.

[mickola]

I asked that possibility to HD SM and he said that's not the case. I went to HD Markham last night, spoke to 3 other people and brought up the possibilities why my store credit is flagged (Is it the GC? Is it the actions I did; returning $1200 value of items?) and their answer are the same as I got before. The GC is the culprit.

That's why I want Letsgetit to meet them because all proof I got so far pointed at the original GC. Tonight, I am going to Woodbridge and hopefully I can see the end of this fiasco. Wish me luck!


My guess is that returning $1200 worth of items purchased with a gift card is what got it flagged.

Letsgetit, post how you obtained the gift card. That seems to be the only thing in question.

[Letsgetit]

My guess is that returning $1200 worth of items purchased with a gift card is what got it flagged.

Letsgetit, post how you obtained the gift card. That seems to be the only thing in question.

Hello Ryan,

As I told mickola at our first meetup I am offered some giftcards through a program very similar to the @home program. I have no use for the HD so I sold them.

I agree with Ryan though, returning $1200 worth of items 9 days after purchase at once is a reason to flag but I really hope you get to the bottom of this tonight as well because your self-made fiasco needs closure.

[Parth]

Parth and cgtlky. I hope you understand the issue here. I am not obligated to defend something I did not sell him. If his theory is correct then the store can prove it.
Of course the store can prove it. But they can't prove anything to you unless you're willing to actually talk to the people with the proof.
Just because Parth says I should meet with him doesn't mean I have to. I can meet and speak with them by myself. I do not trust mickola, he lied to my face and when you don't trust somebody you don't meet them after they intentionally waste your time. Why do you think you meet in public places? If someone set you up, lied to you and shortchanged you and wasted two hours of your time I would not tell any member to go ahead and meet up with them anyways. Think.
I never said to meet with him. Hell, I wouldn't want to meet someone that tried to trick me in the first place. I said to call Peter at the number he gave you and speak to him.

You must understand that I investigated this issue, got answers and because mickola states the total opposite, I am going to assist investigating something I did not sell him.
Store employees are known to be wrong on occasion. Yea, you've already investigated this issue. So how is another phone call to Peter going to kill you?

I just can't understand why you refuse to contact Peter. I mean, you've invested time in trying to resolve this issue already (posting here, going to stores and making calls to run your own investigation) and yet you refuse to make another phone call to continue (and probably finalize) your investigation? That doesn't make sense to me. If I were you, I'd want to get to the bottom of this and just call Peter. And then, depending on what he says, decide whether it is necessary to meet him in person or not. Hell, mickola may just be lying about or misinterpreting what Peter said. I would want to know exactly what the actual problem is and get it solved. I'm not trying to attack you or anything, it just astonishes me that you don't even want to settle this by calling HD.


And yes, I know he tricked you and wasted a lot of your time. But just think about it from his perspective. At the time, he thought you were scamming him. If you come out and confront a scammer online, he will just ignore you. If you read other threads in this section of the forum, you'll see in 90% of the cases scammers just ignore PMs/emails/phone calls or whatever. He didn't want that to happen. Yea his trickery probably wasnt the best way to go about it, but it is understandable. He isn't the best buyer in the world (the being 20 bucks short business is not cool) and I certainly wouldn't want to deal with him, but I don't think he's trying to scam you.

[mickola]

Here's the latest update.

I've reported the case to York Region Police Dept. and unfortunately I have to give up all the information about Letsgetit (name, cell#, license plate#) for further investigation.

HD has confirmed that all the GC I got from him were bogus.

I just want my money back :( and if you're not aware, Letsgetit. You may not a scammer but your source might be.

Right now, it's up to Ryan if he wants to ban/warn Letsgetit. I just don't want anybody else become another victim.

Thanks.

[Letsgetit]

This is strange. I'm going to speak hypothetically here: if the source of that gift card even slipped a bogus gift card in my offer why would they do that? No other gift card has any issue whatsoever.

Now, as far as me giving you a refund I cannot. You spent everything. I'm not getting the item back.

You know that I didn't purchase them with my credit card so investigating me will lead you to nothing even if you have all my information, that is a fact. I'm not hiding. I told you that if that is the route you're going to take then you must take it.

At the end of the day, if the source slipped a bad apple in the bunch to profit then this would all make more sense but I still believe that you put yourself in this situation. If theres anything that I can do let me know, otherwise continue with the authorities I guess.

[mickola]

Your tone is different now, how hard is it to discuss it in more adult manner?

If you're willing to cooperate, how about calling Peter and tell him whatever
you think about this issue (like your assumption that I'm putting myself in this situation, etc). If you can show him that the cards are legitimate, you are not only cleaning your reputation here, but I would also get my money back. Win win situation.


This is strange. I'm going to speak hypothetically here: if the source of that gift card even slipped a bogus gift card in my offer why would they do that? No other gift card has any issue whatsoever.

Now, as far as me giving you a refund I cannot. You spent everything. I'm not getting the item back.

You know that I didn't purchase them with my credit card so investigating me will lead you to nothing even if you have all my information, that is a fact. I'm not hiding. I told you that if that is the route you're going to take then you must take it.

At the end of the day, if the source slipped a bad apple in the bunch to profit then this would all make more sense but I still believe that you put yourself in this situation. If theres anything that I can do let me know, otherwise continue with the authorities I guess.

[Letsgetit]

Ok, I am kind of getting tired of this. Mickola, you really seem to be determined to throw dirt on my name (asked to have me banned?). We all know I'm not a scammer, that is evident. We all know that all my GCs aren't bogus, somehow its allegedly just the ones that mickola received. One thing I did notice when I got them was that the issuer was different than the rest meaning name and ID number. I'm not going to elaborate on that. If I say any more then many others will get this great deal and I wont sell any more GCs :cheesygri. I'm not going to be naive here, because there is a possibility that someone could be scum and lie to me as well there.

Now I have an offer. I will lose money here but here is my offer with a stipulation.

I see that you bought three expensive tools. I will buy tools/items from that store with my own money and give you the items (you provide the list). The items will total to the amount of money that mysteriously vanished from the store credit they issued you. So $1000 - $130 - $20 = $850.

This is my offer if you choose to accept. Yes or no? That is more than fair. You lose nothing and I do. You must understand that if you got scammed then I got scammed.

Now the stipulation is that you must provide solid proof that your store credit was rejected because I refuse to be extorted. Meaning, PM me a receipt showing that your purchase was voided. I'm aware of photoshop but I will get a chance to see the real thing once we meet again. I don't want PMs asking me to prove I'm innocent because apparently things work backwards here and you're guilty until proven innocent.

This is so long and drawn out its ridiculous. You spent every penny off of the gift cards on June 18th. Today is July 17th.

Also, if you've followed through and informed the police then my offer may no longer on the table because they may be able to assist you further and get your money back that way (also I will lose nothing). I have nothing to hide, let them talk to me dude.

So yes or no?

[mickola]

Put yourself in my position, and I'm pretty sure you'll do the same thing as I do. As your offer, I didn't need the expensive tools I originally bought using the GC, that's why I returned them in the first place. Right now, I don't expect to score any deals at all, getting back my money/worth of my money is my priority. I can give you my shopping list worths $850 and you will buy them for me. Like you said, if the police can find the culprit and I can get my money back, I'll pay you back.

It's not worth it to save 15% and dealing with this headache, it is wasting my time and I don't think I'll ever have confidence in buying any discounted GC anymore.

I cannot give you any written proof that my store credit being cancelled, the last time I went there, I could only see the records on the screen, but I couldn't get any more than that (print-out, etc)

The store WON'T EVER release the information to public, even to me as a victim of this fraudulent GC. It's HD policy and they only will release those information to the Police. The only proof you can get is to call Peter (HD Woodbridge) and ask him about this case. He's is a gentleman and I really appreciate his help in this matter.They (Peter and his security guy) also follow this thread closely!


Ok, I am kind of getting tired of this. Mickola, you really seem to be determined to throw dirt on my name (asked to have me banned?). We all know I'm not a scammer, that is evident. We all know that all my GCs aren't bogus, somehow its allegedly just the ones that mickola received. One thing I did notice when I got them was that the issuer was different than the rest meaning name and ID number. I'm not going to elaborate on that. If I say any more then many others will get this great deal and I wont sell any more GCs :cheesygri. I'm not going to be naive here, because there is a possibility that someone could be scum and lie to me as well there.

Now I have an offer. I will lose money here but here is my offer with a stipulation.

I see that you bought three expensive tools. I will buy tools/items from that store with my own money and give you the items (you provide the list). The items will total to the amount of money that mysteriously vanished from the store credit they issued you. So $1000 - $130 - $20 = $850.

This is my offer if you choose to accept. Yes or no? That is more than fair. You lose nothing and I do. You must understand that if you got scammed then I got scammed.

Now the stipulation is that you must provide solid proof that your store credit was rejected because I refuse to be extorted. Meaning, PM me a receipt showing that your purchase was voided. I'm aware of photoshop but I will get a chance to see the real thing once we meet again. I don't want PMs asking me to prove I'm innocent because apparently things work backwards here and you're guilty until proven innocent.

This is so long and drawn out its ridiculous. You spent every penny off of the gift cards on June 18th. Today is July 17th.

Also, if you've followed through and informed the police then my offer may no longer on the table because they may be able to assist you further and get your money back that way (also I will lose nothing). I have nothing to hide, let them talk to me dude.

So yes or no?

[Letsgetit]

I'm not sure if you're aware of this but after reading your post I still have no idea what you want. You didn't really answer the question or say yes or no.

I offered up $850 in items that you bought a gift card to purchase.
Are you accepting the offer so I can put this behind and not have to check this thread daily or what?

If you decline then I cannot do anything as I'm virtually giving you your money back here. Also, if you decline and only want cash then it would add to the theory that your real goal was to pocket the cash that you were saving buying a discounted gift card and returning the items. I'm not aware of anyone that would offer what I'm offering you. To me there are two options for you. You get your moneys worth in items back or you get nothing, right?

I know you returned the 3 items because you say you didn't need them, and I'm not offering to buy those same items back. What I am saying is, if you bought a $1000 gift card then you intended to buy $1000 worth of stuff from that store.

Let me make this clear so you can answer the questions because I don't think you read the part about getting tired of back and forth.

1) Do you accept the offer and are you going to conjure up a list?
2) Are you going to pursue going with the authorities to get cash back instead?
3) Yes or No?

Put yourself in my position, and I'm pretty sure you'll do the same thing as I do. As your offer, I didn't need the expensive tools I originally bought using the GC, that's why I returned them in the first place. Right now, I don't expect to score any deals at all, getting back my money/worth of my money is my priority. I can give you my shopping list worths $850 and you will buy them for me. Like you said, if the police can find the culprit and I can get my money back, I'll pay you back.

It's not worth it to save 15% and dealing with this headache, it is wasting my time and I don't think I'll ever have confidence in buying any discounted GC anymore.

I cannot give you any written proof that my store credit being cancelled, the last time I went there, I could only see the records on the screen, but I couldn't get any more than that (print-out, etc)

The store WON'T EVER release the information to public, even to me as a victim of this fraudulent GC. It's HD policy and they only will release those information to the Police. The only proof you can get is to call Peter (HD Woodbridge) and ask him about this case. He's is a gentleman and I really appreciate his help in this matter.They (Peter and his security guy) also follow this thread closely!

[Letsgetit]

Ok, I just read your confusing post one more time and noticed the bolded sentence. That is not an option. I am going to refrain from dealing with people with no feedback. So basically if you accept the offer, you're saying you're still going to persue with the authorities and try to get another $850???

Once we're done here we're done. And I know if you eventually get your money back that you wont inform me and give it back. C'mon now.

The flag has been raised about you and this situation a long time ago. I'm hoping that those people really are reading this thread now.

Its one option or the other. So what will it be, mickola?

Put yourself in my position, and I'm pretty sure you'll do the same thing as I do. As your offer, I didn't need the expensive tools I originally bought using the GC, that's why I returned them in the first place. Right now, I don't expect to score any deals at all, getting back my money/worth of my money is my priority. I can give you my shopping list worths $850 and you will buy them for me. Like you said, if the police can find the culprit and I can get my money back, I'll pay you back.

It's not worth it to save 15% and dealing with this headache, it is wasting my time and I don't think I'll ever have confidence in buying any discounted GC anymore.

I cannot give you any written proof that my store credit being cancelled, the last time I went there, I could only see the records on the screen, but I couldn't get any more than that (print-out, etc)

The store WON'T EVER release the information to public, even to me as a victim of this fraudulent GC. It's HD policy and they only will release those information to the Police. The only proof you can get is to call Peter (HD Woodbridge) and ask him about this case. He's is a gentleman and I really appreciate his help in this matter.They (Peter and his security guy) also follow this thread closely!

[mickola]

1. Yes, I'm accepting the offer of $850 in items, read my post about I'm going to give you the shopping list.

2. Reading comprehension FTW. In my post I said IF the authorities could catch the real culprit and for some reasons manage to get my money back (It's a big IF....), since I'm accepting your fitst offer, I think it's fair that I'll pay you back the $850, I'm not going to double dip. Again, read my post slowly.


I'm not sure if you're aware of this but after reading your post I still have no idea what you want. You didn't really answer the question or say yes or no.

I offered up $850 in items that you bought a gift card to purchase.
Are you accepting the offer so I can put this behind and not have to check this thread daily or what?

If you decline then I cannot do anything as I'm virtually giving you your money back here. Also, if you decline and only want cash then it would add to the theory that your real goal was to pocket the cash that you were saving buying a discounted gift card and returning the items. I'm not aware of anyone that would offer what I'm offering you. To me there are two options for you. You get your moneys worth in items back or you get nothing, right?

I know you returned the 3 items because you say you didn't need them, and I'm not offering to buy those same items back. What I am saying is, if you bought a $1000 gift card then you intended to buy $1000 worth of stuff from that store.

Let me make this clear so you can answer the questions because I don't think you read the part about getting tired of back and forth.

1) Do you accept the offer and are you going to conjure up a list?
2) Are you going to pursue going with the authorities to get cash back instead?
3) Yes or No?

[Letsgetit]

Dude, I'm trying to refrain from being offensive here. Your wording and grammer is not the best to say the least. So don't imply that I'm slow. Unbelievable. Conjure up a list, PM me the list within the next few days. And the items will get to you. Done.

1. Yes, I'm accepting the offer of $850 in items, read my post about I'm going to give you the shopping list.

2. Reading comprehension FTW. In my post I said IF the authorities could catch the real culprit and for some reasons manage to get my money back (It's a big IF....), since I'm accepting your fitst offer, I think it's fair that I'll pay you back the $850, I'm not going to double dip. Again, read my post slowly.

[supersaver2009]

Wow, So I was close to buying a gift card off this member too! I just joined this site because I heard great things about it but members like Letsgetit ruin it for everyone and now I'm reluctant to purchase anything from anyone. He first stated that he got the gift cards from a program similar to @Home and now he is saying that the person HE GOT IT OFF OF may have ripped him off. Buddy your story has too many leaks. In my opinion Letsgetit was fully aware of how the gift card was obtained. Also, in my opinion who has a $1200 gift card or several smaller ones who had no intention in using it in the first place. If you needed before then at one point you will need it again. Who wants to lose $200?? Buying a gift card legitly will gain you no profit and you apparently sell several. If someone received a gift card as a gift or bought it foolishly then that is a different story but come on you can't tell me you bought that knowing it was legit! And what about the other gift cards you have sold? I don't think even people who use the Home Depot regularly even use gift cards that are that big? What's the point? If you know that the card was bought legitly then you would not hesitate to meet up with the store manager at the store who can tell you what Mickola heard. I believe Mickola 110%. I personally would not pay money if I knew that my cards were legit just to shut someone up! Especially not $850!!! I'm sure almost every other member would agree on that!! You obviously want this to disappear as he does have you license plate number. Even if you did not purchase the gift cards then you are still guilty of an offence under Canadian law. You still had possession of property obtained through crime. That is an offence none the less. I think you are only offering to pay up because you know that you did something wrong and do not want to get the authorities involved. I bet even the stuff you are going to purchase for Mickola will be on a gift card obtained from a fraudulent credit card! You even insult the way Mickola was talking. People like you ruin this world.

[Letsgetit]

First of all who are you? Second of all, you just joined two days ago? Third, I have never been in contact with you so how were you going to buy one from me???

You joined TWO DAYS AGO and you said you were going to buy a gift card from me and I haven't sold or made a for sale thread for HD in weeks. Hmmm. Who are you buddy? Can we say alias?

Furthermore, you don't even know what you're talking about. I'm not remodeling a basement or doing any renovations and I said I had no use for it so I sold it for small profit. Is there a problem?

Yea I said its a similar to that but its not generated from the sky moron, clearly someone has to issue it and distribute it to me :confused:

You are entitled to state your opinion but it doesn't really matter buddy.

My story? You just joined two days ago but claim you were going to buy something from me and I have nothing for sale lol. Mickola?

People like you are who most people should avoid. No feedback, no merit and you make up stuff. Nobody likes a liar.
I'm not even going to address everything in your post, nobody.

Wow, So I was close to buying a gift card off this member too! I just joined this site because I heard great things about it but members like Letsgetit ruin it for everyone and now I'm reluctant to purchase anything from anyone. He first stated that he got the gift cards from a program similar to @Home and now he is saying that the person HE GOT IT OFF OF may have ripped him off. Buddy your story has too many leaks. In my opinion Letsgetit was fully aware of how the gift card was obtained. Also, in my opinion who has a $1200 gift card or several smaller ones who had no intention in using it in the first place. If you needed before then at one point you will need it again. Who wants to lose $200?? Buying a gift card legitly will gain you no profit and you apparently sell several. If someone received a gift card as a gift or bought it foolishly then that is a different story but come on you can't tell me you bought that knowing it was legit! And what about the other gift cards you have sold? I don't think even people who use the Home Depot regularly even use gift cards that are that big? What's the point? If you know that the card was bought legitly then you would not hesitate to meet up with the store manager at the store who can tell you what Mickola heard. I believe Mickola 110%. I personally would not pay money if I knew that my cards were legit just to shut someone up! Especially not $850!!! I'm sure almost every other member would agree on that!! You obviously want this to disappear as he does have you license plate number. Even if you did not purchase the gift cards then you are still guilty of an offence under Canadian law. You still had possession of property obtained through crime. That is an offence none the less. I think you are only offering to pay up because you know that you did something wrong and do not want to get the authorities involved. I bet even the stuff you are going to purchase for Mickola will be on a gift card obtained from a fraudulent credit card! You even insult the way Mickola was talking. People like you ruin this world.

[cgtlky]

Both of you are victims (Letsgetit and mickola). Mickola is able to explain how he/she obtain the GC but Letsgetit can not (which is hard/impossible to prove) since Letsgetit did not realize it until he/she sold it to Mickola.

If the police fraud squad get involve then it will be a big issue/problem for Letsgetit. But since mickola buy it from Letsgetit without a receipt/paper trail then both of you will have a lot of explanation to do with the police (if mickola say that HD personnel say that the GC is bogus is true).

[Letsgetit]

Ok. Well I'm waiting for the list. You tell me what scammer would offer what I'm offering. I will co-operate with who I want to co-operate with. I don't need to contact everyone who he says (peter) because he does not have hard copy proof that what he says is true. So now there is dirt on my name and I am not a culprit. I am just trying to make sure that I am not being extorted. I'd be more comfortable if this guy had members that could vouch for him instead of newly created aliases/members that want to throw dirt. All the people who haven't had an issue (which is everyone but mickola) are the only people who can make a statement towards me, period, because those are the people I have met/dealt with.

People like supersaver2009 aren't fooling anybody.

I haven't revealed the "source" and I have explained why and who they are in a previous post already. But, mickola, also has let me know that he cannot prove that his store credit doesn't work.

Really I hope to never even have to click on this section of the forum ever again. I have learned my lesson and I absolutely will not deal with anyone without some positive feedback, ever!!!

[Letsgetit]

Wow, So I was close to buying a gift card off this member too! I just joined this site because I heard great things about it but members like Letsgetit ruin it for everyone and now I'm reluctant to purchase anything from anyone. He first stated that he got the gift cards from a program similar to @Home and now he is saying that the person HE GOT IT OFF OF may have ripped him off. Buddy your story has too many leaks. In my opinion Letsgetit was fully aware of how the gift card was obtained. Also, in my opinion who has a $1200 gift card or several smaller ones who had no intention in using it in the first place. If you needed before then at one point you will need it again. Who wants to lose $200?? Buying a gift card legitly will gain you no profit and you apparently sell several. If someone received a gift card as a gift or bought it foolishly then that is a different story but come on you can't tell me you bought that knowing it was legit! And what about the other gift cards you have sold? I don't think even people who use the Home Depot regularly even use gift cards that are that big? What's the point? If you know that the card was bought legitly then you would not hesitate to meet up with the store manager at the store who can tell you what Mickola heard. I believe Mickola 110%. I personally would not pay money if I knew that my cards were legit just to shut someone up! Especially not $850!!! I'm sure almost every other member would agree on that!! You obviously want this to disappear as he does have you license plate number. Even if you did not purchase the gift cards then you are still guilty of an offence under Canadian law. You still had possession of property obtained through crime. That is an offence none the less. I think you are only offering to pay up because you know that you did something wrong and do not want to get the authorities involved. I bet even the stuff you are going to purchase for Mickola will be on a gift card obtained from a fraudulent credit card! You even insult the way Mickola was talking. People like you ruin this world.

Ok, I just read this post again and I have to address you. I'm going to go in order on what I have bolded.

You were not going to buy anything from me. Nobody has ever heard of you and I have nothing for sale, silly.

I ruin this site for everyone? Ok.

It was several cards not one big card. Read.

Buying a gift card legitly gains no profit? What?

Nobody wants to lose $200. What?

Ofcourse you believe him 110% even though he has no proof, right? Ofcourse.

What do you want me to do? Take the offer off the table because you think it makes it look like I'm trying to avoid police?

He does not have my license plate.

I really cannot get over how you say you were going to buy something from me and you just joined and nothing is for sale lol. You really cannot come back.

I'm really starting to think you're mickola now.

[supersaver2009]

I am who I am. Just because I just joined doesn't mean that I do not have access to this site. I still looked at the BST forum and looked for someone and when I felt I wanted to buy something I would join?

[Letsgetit]

Do you understand how far from the truth that is or how misleading that is.
Me and you have never exchanged a PM, a call, NOTHING. And I am not selling anything nor have I had any HD for sale in a month!!! Yet, you were so close. Missed it by that much. You're bogus.

Wow, So I was close to buying a gift card off this member too! I just joined this site because I heard great things about it but members like Letsgetit ruin it for everyone and now I'm reluctant to purchase anything from anyone. He first stated that he got the gift cards from a program similar to @Home and now he is saying that the person HE GOT IT OFF OF may have ripped him off. Buddy your story has too many leaks. In my opinion Letsgetit was fully aware of how the gift card was obtained. Also, in my opinion who has a $1200 gift card or several smaller ones who had no intention in using it in the first place. If you needed before then at one point you will need it again. Who wants to lose $200?? Buying a gift card legitly will gain you no profit and you apparently sell several. If someone received a gift card as a gift or bought it foolishly then that is a different story but come on you can't tell me you bought that knowing it was legit! And what about the other gift cards you have sold? I don't think even people who use the Home Depot regularly even use gift cards that are that big? What's the point? If you know that the card was bought legitly then you would not hesitate to meet up with the store manager at the store who can tell you what Mickola heard. I believe Mickola 110%. I personally would not pay money if I knew that my cards were legit just to shut someone up! Especially not $850!!! I'm sure almost every other member would agree on that!! You obviously want this to disappear as he does have you license plate number. Even if you did not purchase the gift cards then you are still guilty of an offence under Canadian law. You still had possession of property obtained through crime. That is an offence none the less. I think you are only offering to pay up because you know that you did something wrong and do not want to get the authorities involved. I bet even the stuff you are going to purchase for Mickola will be on a gift card obtained from a fraudulent credit card! You even insult the way Mickola was talking. People like you ruin this world.

[Letsgetit]

And your thread is right HERE (http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/showthread.php?t=765849)

You made that thread two days ago when you joined and you're asking for a $1000 HD gift card and you said "I don't think even people who use the Home Depot regularly even use gift cards that are that big?"

Me and you have never been in contact yet you feel like misleading other members into thinking that you were about to deal with me. Stop it. I have had enough lies. Throw dirt somewhere else.

[rdtx2002]

supersaver2009.. if what Letsgetit says is true.. you are an idiot for jumping on the bandwagon to drag a person's name down for no reason.

[FlintBlade]

This is one heated situation. It does seem awfully weird for someone to randomly send you $1200 in fake GC's. Usually you have to do something, like sign up for a trip. In most cases, you would be offered a Gift Card after making a payment that's half the value of the GC to make it seem like you're about to get a good deal. But when you go to use it, you find out it's fraudulent and you just lost the money you paid.

For you to just get a free 'fake' GC in the mail is quite rare. Whatever the case, if what you say is true, it doesn't look to be your fault. So neither of you are to blame for this situation. The best thing to do is just to refund him the money of $850 and move on. It won't even be a loss to either of you. For the person that originally received the fake GC's, perhaps you should consult a police officer. Find out who it was that sent you the fake GC's and make sure they're caught as to not cause anymore issues for anyone else.

I do wish the both of you the best of luck and hope you can both resolve this issue gracefully. There's no reason for either of you to hate each other or have your reputation ruined over something that neither of you had any control over.

[jswizzle]

OMG!, supersaver2009, I was so close to selling you $1000 HD GC but lucky I found your post here and you sound 120% slim shady to me. (All jokes aside)

Yes, supersaver2009 is misleading and people on RFD shouldn't take inputs from someone who has recently just joined and have never bought or sold anything on this website.

[supersaver2009]

Excuse me but I have been looking for a Home Depot GC for quite some time since i've been looking at redoing my hardwood flooring. I was going to join a while ago but I never got around to joining due to personal reasons which im not going to get into. I remember I was looking at this memeber. Yes I did just post that that is because I finally got around to joining this site and thought I would give it a try. And obviously if you had a $1200 Gift card of several smaller ones like previously stated then i'm sure there are other people on here who do. Also I would not buy the gift card but rather the product I need. Anyways I do not need to defend myself here I am not doing anything wrong. You obviously do not need to be a memeber in order to browse the site. Just because I just joined doesn't make me any less creditable then the next person on here. I guess in order for someone to have some logic they must have bought or sold something on this site. This is my last post and I hope you get what you deserve. A beautiful pair of bracelts if you know what I mean.

Peace out.

[Letsgetit]

supersaver2009.. if what Letsgetit says is true.. you are an idiot for jumping on the bandwagon to drag a person's name down for no reason.

Thank you.

OMG!, supersaver2009, I was so close to selling you $1000 HD GC but lucky I found your post here and you sound 120% slim shady to me. (All jokes aside)

Yes, supersaver2009 is misleading and people on RFD shouldn't take inputs from someone who has recently just joined and have never bought or sold anything on this website.

Thank you.

supersaver2009. To come here and say you were SO CLOSE to buying something from me when you werent is wrong. Funny how your post doesn't address that blatant lie. Anyways, good riddens.

[mickola]

Letsgetit,

now you're getting sillier. First, you accused me as a scumbag, liar, etc. Now, you accused me as SuperSaver2009. :rolleyes:. If I had a penny for every time you call me a name/accuse me, I won't need any refund from you!

This information for everyone who's interested in this issue. If you have issues with your GC, Home Depot WILL NEVER release any written information to anyone but POLICE. A simple phone call to the Store Manager will confirm my statement. That's why in my case, I asked Letsgetit to come to the store to obtain the PROOF, it's a false statement that I cannot give him any proof at all.

Letsgetit, I sent you a list last night via PM.

As one of the poster said the victim in this case are ME and maybe him (Letsgetit). I'd like to get $850 refund in CASH, but since I can make a use of HD stuff (I'm working on a project now), I chose to compromise with what Letsgetit offered me.


Ok, I just read this post again and I have to address you. I'm going to go in order on what I have bolded.

You were not going to buy anything from me. Nobody has ever heard of you and I have nothing for sale, silly.

I ruin this site for everyone? Ok.

It was several cards not one big card. Read.

Buying a gift card legitly gains no profit? What?

Nobody wants to lose $200. What?

Ofcourse you believe him 110% even though he has no proof, right? Ofcourse.

What do you want me to do? Take the offer off the table because you think it makes it look like I'm trying to avoid police?

He does not have my license plate.

I really cannot get over how you say you were going to buy something from me and you just joined and nothing is for sale lol. You really cannot come back.

I'm really starting to think you're mickola now.

[hellohowru]

Letsgetit why can't you give him the refund in cash if you are willing to buy him $850 worth of item?

Is it because you can steal the items/purchase the item with stolen card?

I can't think of any reason for you to force him to buy $850 worth of tools that he doesn't need.

I suggest you provide mickola the receipt of the items you purchased, this can prove that you got the items via a legit way. I am pretty sure that mickola doesn't want any stolen items.

[Menthol]

Now for the lighter side. On post #31, I saw Ryan has zero feedback :D (scammer? hmmmm)

[turtlenuts]

Where are the gift cards originally coming from anyways?
And who "accumulates" hundreds of dollars in giftcards they don't need and so fast?
Supposing the buyer is telling the truth, I don't see any reasons as to why the seller wouldn't meet with HD and the buyer to clear things up if he was legit himself.

But then again both parties have performed questionable actions. :rolleyes:

[JAC]

Where are the gift cards originally coming from anyways?
And who "accumulates" hundreds of dollars in giftcards they don't need and so fast?

Yeah, I can imagine very few scenarios where someone will legitimately possess multiple GCs.

At any rate, it's not a risk I would ever take.

[Letsgetit]

Letsgetit why can't you give him the refund in cash if you are willing to buy him $850 worth of item?

Is it because you can steal the items/purchase the item with stolen card?

I can't think of any reason for you to force him to buy $850 worth of tools that he doesn't need.

I suggest you provide mickola the receipt of the items you purchased, this can prove that you got the items via a legit way. I am pretty sure that mickola doesn't want any stolen items.

Because this would ensure that he really intended on purchasing items and in some form show me that he's not trying to extort me since he has no proof right. If he rejected it and demanded cash then it'd be another story. But I figure its this or zero for him, right?

And there are many sellers selling multiple gift cards that are legit. Anyone can speculate. Now that you mention it, I actually may not provide the receipt (thanks for bringing that up). If I use my cc I'd rather not have anyone have any information even if it is just a few numbers. Nowadays you cannot trust anybody even store clerks.

[hellohowru]

Because this would ensure that he really intended on purchasing items and in some form show me that he's not trying to extort me since he has no proof right. If he rejected it and demanded cash then it'd be another story. But I figure its this or zero for him, right?

And there are many sellers selling multiple gift cards that are legit. Anyone can speculate. Now that you mention it, I actually may not provide the receipt (thanks for bringing that up). If I use my cc I'd rather not have anyone have any information even if it is just a few numbers. Nowadays you cannot trust anybody even store clerks.

You can always cross out your credit card info on the receipt, the reason why you are not willing to give the receipt to him is probably because its not legit.
Why don't you go with him to purchase the item directly from HD, show your ID to the cashier and match it with your credit card info. That way it will prove that the way you get the items is legit.
But from the way you talk and act, I can tell you will find some other excuses to not prove the items are legit.

Why did you avoid talking to the HD manager Peter to confirm about it? That is the proof you want, but I guess you are not dare to call or meet up with Peter because of some reasons you did not tell us.

[synaptech]

When I started reading this thread I believed the seller was getting the raw end of the deal. If the seller's GC was legit then I wouldn't be giving anything to the buyer (tools or cash), but the resolution of buying him $850 in tools if the police are not involved... For $850 I would call the store manager and meet with everyone concerned, otherwise ... well, how does it look? FWIW I find the buyers story sketchy -- who would let anyone throw away a GC even if the cashier said it had a 0 balance, plus the receipts only show purchases and not the GC balance at 0.

As for keeping the receipt, the buyer will just take the tools back for store credit.

[Letsgetit]

When I started reading this thread I believed the seller was getting the raw end of the deal. If the seller's GC was legit then I wouldn't be giving anything to the buyer (tools or cash), but the resolution of buying him $850 in tools if the police are not involved... For $850 I would call the store manager and meet with everyone concerned, otherwise ... well, how does it look? FWIW I find the buyers story sketchy -- who would let anyone throw away a GC even if the cashier said it had a 0 balance, plus the receipts only show purchases and not the GC balance at 0.

As for keeping the receipt, the buyer will just take the tools back for store credit.

Exactly.

As for the other poster, I find it hard to believe that you can judge me by how I talk and act typing text on an Internet forum :confused:

This is between me and him and I'm not going to take the offer off the table unless he refused it. If he wants to take the items back to the store and try to get store credit again then thats his perogative. Just know that I will not be involved after that and I will not be back in this section of this site.

[hellohowru]

Exactly.

As for the other poster, I find it hard to believe that you can judge me by how I talk and act typing text on an Internet forum :confused:

This is between me and him and I'm not going to take the offer off the table unless he refused it. If he wants to take the items back to the store and try to get store credit again then thats his perogative. Just know that I will not be involved after that and I will not be back in this section of this site.

Like I said you can go with the victim and buy the items in front of him, then verify the cc you used is belongs to you. You are ignoring the fact that I just want to make sure the tools you are going to purchase is via a legit way.

No one can judge you via internet, but we know its fishy when you avoid to verify the way you get the tools is legit, avoid to meet the manager and avoid to tell us how you obtain the GC.

If I knew the GC is legit, I would talk to the manager and ask the manager to prove that the GC is purchased with fraud cc. Since the GC is legit, there is no way the manager will be able to have any proof. If the manager can't prove the GC is purchased with fraud cc, HD will pay for the $850 instead of you.

[cgtlky]

Like I said you can go with the victim and buy the items in front of him, then verify the cc you used is belongs to you. You are ignoring the fact that I just want to make sure the tools you are going to purchase is via a legit way.

No one can judge you via internet, but we know its fishy when you avoid to verify the way you get the tools is legit, avoid to meet the manager and avoid to tell us how you obtain the GC.

If I knew the GC is legit, I would talk to the manager and ask the manager to prove that the GC is purchased with fraud cc. Since the GC is legit, there is no way the manager will be able to have any proof. If the manager can't prove the GC is purchased with fraud cc, HD will pay for the $850 instead of you.

+1. Ryan also ask this question but Letsgetit did not gave a straight answer. Letsgetit your positive feedback is already damaged for not giving an answer on " HOW YOU OBTAIN THE GC?".

[Letsgetit]

You're being ridiculous now. Get one thing straight. I don't answer to you!

Ryan asked and I answered. If you don't think thats a straight answer so what?

Like I said, if I said the exact way then all of you would be getting them and when I got them I'd sell nothing because you'd all already have them. I might as well give my straight answer in a posting in the hot deals section...

So naive. If you go spend a lot of money at ikea do they not give you 15% back in gift cards?

Would you go and use your cc with someone who is shady and told you to meet to buy something and didn't bring any money?

Now, go ahead and keep saying what you want, I'm going to talk to Ryan, mickola and perhaps Peter to make sure I'm doing the right thing here and thats it.

Have yourself a great day :razz:

[Parth]

The dozen or so people that think you're sketchy (Letsgetit) in this thread would all shut up and move on (myself included) if you stopped avoiding Peter and Mickola's requests for you to get the proof he can apparently provide.

Honestly, after pages of this nonsense, I am still in utter shock that you have only progressed to perhaps I will call Peter. Oh well, I guess thats a step in the right direction.

If I were you I would have called him weeks ago.

[mickola]

+100

Letsgetit,
I believe that you're not a scammer, otherwise you won't offer me to buy the stuff worth $850 to cover the money I spent on your GC or even hang around this thread to answer all the questions from anyone here.

To everybody that following this thread, thanks for your support and because of that, Letsgetit just sent me PM ask for Peter's phone number. It's a good progress!

I just don't get it (no pun intended) why you don't call Peter long time ago. A simple phone call (if you don't want to meet him and me personally) may solve this on-going issue. You get your credibility back and I get my store credit back, everyone's happy.

Keep me updated.


The dozen or so people that think you're sketchy (Letsgetit) in this thread would all shut up and move on (myself included) if you stopped avoiding Peter and Mickola's requests for you to get the proof he can apparently provide.

Honestly, after pages of this nonsense, I am still in utter shock that you have only progressed to perhaps I will call Peter. Oh well, I guess thats a step in the right direction.

If I were you I would have called him weeks ago.

[turtlenuts]

So naive. If you go spend a lot of money at ikea do they not give you 15% back in gift cards?

So assuming that HD does the same thing.. you saying you spend up to $7000 dollars every now and then to "accumulate" the giftcards? Hope you're a contractor or something.. :eek:

[AcidBomber]

mmm... some intense talk happening...

but anyways, even though Letsgetit has 100% positive feedbacks, i would side with Mickola until you're able to resolve this by visiting HD or providing proof on how you obtained the gift card. (but you said you threw away the receipt, right?)

also, the whole '$850' offer sounds very sketchy to me. Seems like you might just fraud HD again with another GC. If you are going through with this, I hope that you can provide Mickola with a receipt. :)


hopefully this will get resolved soon.

[jettaguy]

Wow, good read.

1. Letsgetit knows more about the gift cards then he's saying.

2. I think Mickola bought the gift cards with the intention of buying something and then returning the item(s) for cash.

3. I don't blame Mickola for setting up a second meeting with no intentions of buying. I would do the same thing if I thought I was scammed.

4. I don't care how many positive/neg feedback(s) a person has. YOU CAN STILL GET SCAMMED.

[hellzno]

I will reiterate what most people have been saying all along:

Letsgetit, call Peter and get this resolved.

It will not hurt you to do so (if you are being honest in your assertions that you were a victim - which I highly doubt).

The offer of $850 worth of powertools is also extremely sketchy. To be honest, I wouldn't be caught dead with these items unless I was there to watch the transaction go down. I wouldn't want to be in possession of $850 of stolen power tools.

Letsgetit, your conduct is absolutely disgusting. You have done nothing to remedy this situation beyond your "offer" of $850 of "goods".

Mickola, it might be very tempting to try to recouperate some of your losses. However, keep in mind that possessing stolen goods is a crime as well. Unless you are 100% sure that the items will not be purchased with a fraudulent GC, I would avoid it at all costs. HD is probably extremely concerned with stopping GC fraud and I'm sure they would be more than happy to assist you. Parasites like Letsgetit hurt their bottom line as well.

I would try to move ahead with HD and the Police - make sure to assist HD (or get them to help you) in putting one of these scammers to jail.

[mickola]

I'll give you guys the last update.

Letsgetit told me that he cannot reach Peter, although I gave him Peter's phone and email address as well. I could pick up a phone and call the store, I'm pretty sure I'll be able to speak to him easily. :( This week, I sent Peter an email and he replied me back. So, no excuse that Letsgetit cannot contact him.

hellzno, the reason I took his offer for $850 worth of items because I was expecting he would include the receipt for all the stuff he was going to buy (I gave him my shopping list and most of them are building materials for my small renovation project, not power tools). I can use the receipt for Home Renovation Tax, right?

Letsgetit PM'ed me and because of the suspicious of fellow members on how he's going to get the $850 worth of items, he canceled his offer. Now, that's not surprising at all. And it was more than 3 weeks ago.

He offered me $650 CASH instead and asked me to take it or leave it.

After discussing with some people, I chose to take the offer. BUT again Letsgetit came with excuses. He wouldn't meet me in person to hand the $650, instead he asked for my address since he's gonna send the money via XpressPost! I'm not comfortable giving him my full address and sending money via mail, I heard it was a common thing..... 30 years ago!

I asked him to send it via email/EMT, but his excuse is he has bad experiences with EMT so he doesn't trust it, it's coming from a fellow that spend his time on the net, selling stuff. :rolleyes:

So, until now (which is almost a month since he promised me to pay me back), he still hasn't done anything to resolve the issue. He hasn't contacted Peter. He canceled his original offer for a (obvious) reason. He offered me a lot less ($650 cash which I accepted), but he still hasn't sent me the money yet.

But the worst thing is, he's still around. A scammer will scam the victim and leave without trace. THERE'S ONLY ONE VICTIM.

A worst one will scam the victim, pretend that he/she is innocent, and still around selling stuff to other victims.




I will reiterate what most people have been saying all along:

Letsgetit, call Peter and get this resolved.

It will not hurt you to do so (if you are being honest in your assertions that you were a victim - which I highly doubt).

The offer of $850 worth of powertools is also extremely sketchy. To be honest, I wouldn't be caught dead with these items unless I was there to watch the transaction go down. I wouldn't want to be in possession of $850 of stolen power tools.

Letsgetit, your conduct is absolutely disgusting. You have done nothing to remedy this situation beyond your "offer" of $850 of "goods".

Mickola, it might be very tempting to try to recouperate some of your losses. However, keep in mind that possessing stolen goods is a crime as well. Unless you are 100% sure that the items will not be purchased with a fraudulent GC, I would avoid it at all costs. HD is probably extremely concerned with stopping GC fraud and I'm sure they would be more than happy to assist you. Parasites like Letsgetit hurt their bottom line as well.

I would try to move ahead with HD and the Police - make sure to assist HD (or get them to help you) in putting one of these scammers to jail.

[hellzno]

Why isn't Letsgetit permabanned yet?

Letsgetit was defensive and did not offer to help right from the beginning. I'm glad to see people gave him the benefit of the doubt but come on now, avoiding a possible easy resolution (getting in touch with peter or paying mickola) screams scam.

mickola, I hope you follow up with the police. Get this scum behind bars.

[rayt-]

Wow epic thread. Hope there are results soon!

[aricebox]

It has become quite clear from this thread that Letsgetit is quite the shady character. But I'm not going to post here to bash him or to let everyone know who's side i'm taking (which is quite obvious). I'm here to point out some glaringly obvious irrelevancies in Letsgetit's posts as well as things that he SHOULD clear up if he wants anyone following this thread to believe him.

Ever since Mickola's first post in this thread you've been incredibly defensive as well as fallacious. You've been trying to get people on your side by throwing negative comments at Mickola, calling him a "liar", even IF he lied to you. You have to understand that Mickola was acting under the impression that he was being scammed by you. I think his actions are quite justifiable. Hell, I'm pretty sure many would have done the same.

I admit that Mickola acted in a discourteous manner by sneaking up to your car and sneaking pictures with his cellphone, however I can only assume that he was not trying to start any sort of arguments/disputes with you if he were to have asked you if he could have taken any pictures.

You've been irrelevant in the sense that you deviate away from our questions "why havent you called peter" as well as "where did you get your GC's"

I understand if you don't want to lose potential business by not releasing your source to fellow RFDers, however in this kind of circumstance, if this situation gets any worse, you'll lose your "hard earned reputation" and no one will have confidence in dealing with you or with any other person(s) selling these kind of GC's


And after reading Mickola's latest update, it only makes you look even sketchier. Any LEGIT seller who has nothing to hide wouldn't offer $850 worth of tools when they could easily just give a call to peter OR meet up with him at the store to discuss this in person. And your SECOND offer of $650 cash is also wreaking of sketch. Why would you offer Mickola cash when again, all this can be solved by meeting up with HD managers(Peter..etc) to discuss and resolve. And why the $200 difference? One can only conclude that the $850 you would have used on Mickola's list of tools/materials would have been from fraud GC's as well, and since you don't want to risk anything you decide to offer him $650, an amount much lower than the previous offer so you wouldn't *lose* as much.

Anyways I feel for you Mickola, hope everything get's resolved soon!

*EDIT:

I'm surprised no one's mentioned this yet. I've never stacked GC's before, but how come no one asked why the 1200 in store credit was flagged?

I'm aware that it was flagged because the GC's (worth 1200) were bought from a fraud cc. However, no one has brought up why the entire amount of 1200 was flagged. This must mean that all THREE of the GC's that were bought from Letsgetit was bought with a fraud cc. Since Letsgetit vouches that his source has always been providing him/her with LEGITIMATE cards, why is it that the entire total, 3 x 400, was flagged? Again I apologize for being a GC noob. I am just thinking logically. If this is not how it works then i apologize~

[Letsgetit]

A few things worth mentioning:

- mickola spent $1260 and some change on June 17th
- $1200 in gift card and $60 and some change off of his own credit card
- he returned EVERYTHING 9 days later and received store credit as refund
- I was not infomed about any issue until July 6th
- I don't have documentation to even validate that those gift cards were the ones I sold him (gift card code number at the back)
- I took his word for it even though he admitted to lying to me
- The whole thing may be flagged for many reasons including his own credit card he used because he went over the $1200
- I asked mickola what he wants from me because I sold him something that he already used up in full and he said his money back so meeting with Peter is not putting money in his pocket
- I offered that amount back to him out of the goodness inside (even though it would look "sketchy" as aricebox states) and he has the PM to back that up
- OK, no more offers from me to get to the bottom of this because it does appear sketchy and I didn't sell him something that did not work or that was at $0. OK?

Now, Letsgetit isn't permabanned because Letsgetit is not a scammer.

mickola, if you are going to state things please make sure that they are factual. I said I called Peter and the phone rang out and I had to get back to work. I did not say that I can't get a hold of him. I am busy, I barely even have time to get on this site. Also, I didn't say I had bad experiences with EMT, I said I don't trust you and anything can happen. I hear about people going to use their debit card and their accounts being at $0. Even from our first meetup you were very uneasy and sweating a lot and just not pleasant at all. Stop saying things so it appears how you want it to appear.

Second, despite it looking like I am attempting to pacify you, I offered a "refund" anyways pending a conversation with Peter. And as the PM states I was baffled how this could be so I said I'm contemplating offering you some back. I offered to send him it and he declined people. I don't have time to waste with him again.

I received some PM's from other members I have met with and sold a gift card too and one member informed me that they purchased items and actually returned it to get another item and their store credit worked fine, without issue and they didn't purchase the new item with that store credit until 12 days after they were issued the store credit and they warned me about you mickola.

Maybe it is a good thing that Peter couldn't answer when I called and maybe it is a good thing that you declined my offer. The bottom line is this, you posting a receipt verifies that you purchased items with what you were sold without issue. That is the end of the deal. You declining a 'partial' refund leaves me with no option so there is nothing I can do. I have received NO other complaints. NOT ONE. Even recently I have received another positive feedback from a transaction that took place before you he just now got the opportunity to leave the feedback.

You said you filed a case with the police so good luck with that mickola. This back and forth has gone on long enough and you declining to accept the cash is very strange (trying to double up?). So like I said you posting the receipt proves that you were sold an item that was valid as you made a purchase in the full amount (This is why I am not banned, hellzno).

Incase what I stated above is not clear, I have received a warning about mickola and advice from legitimate authority that not only am I not entitled to issue a refund to this individual but a warning that he has attempted something similar on another website.

You purchased these items on June 17th. Good luck.

I am done with this thread now. If a member wants to judge, judge. If I am weary of someone I avoid doing business with them so if you want to judge because of one persons claim then don't buy from me, simple. Message every member in my feedback list guys, I encourage it. Remember, I STARTED THIS THREAD PEOPLE.

[hellzno]

crap

You're deflecting again! How many honest attempts did you make to reach Peter? Just one? That doesn't seem to me like you're willing to resolve this issue in the right way. In fact, mickola has also given you Peter's e-mail - surely the time you spend on this forum kicking and screaming gives you the time to solve this issue and bring some closure to mickola (and yourself).

But instead, you rant on and on about how you were the victim and how you tried to rectify the situation yet avoiding the easiest and most logical solution of all: contact Peter via phone or via e-mail.

This is not to mention that the origins of the GCs are questionable (with discrepancies in your story already pointed out in this thread).

From an outsider's prospective, you have adamantly avoided handling this situation in the right way. That speaks volumes about you as a person.

I really hope the police puts scum like you away.

[hellzno]

And after reading Mickola's latest update, it only makes you look even sketchier. Any LEGIT seller who has nothing to hide wouldn't offer $850 worth of tools when they could easily just give a call to peter OR meet up with him at the store to discuss this in person. And your SECOND offer of $650 cash is also wreaking of sketch. Why would you offer Mickola cash when again, all this can be solved by meeting up with HD managers(Peter..etc) to discuss and resolve. And why the $200 difference? One can only conclude that the $850 you would have used on Mickola's list of tools/materials would have been from fraud GC's as well, and since you don't want to risk anything you decide to offer him $650, an amount much lower than the previous offer so you wouldn't *lose* as much.

Its a moot point anyways. There's no way in hell Letsgetit would actually pay mickola. Scammers are scammers to the core.

He offered me $650 CASH instead and asked me to take it or leave it.

After discussing with some people, I chose to take the offer. BUT again Letsgetit came with excuses. He wouldn't meet me in person to hand the $650, instead he asked for my address since he's gonna send the money via XpressPost! I'm not comfortable giving him my full address and sending money via mail, I heard it was a common thing..... 30 years ago!

I asked him to send it via email/EMT, but his excuse is he has bad experiences with EMT so he doesn't trust it, it's coming from a fellow that spend his time on the net, selling stuff.

Letsgetit and excuses - gee, whats new :rolleyes:.

[Letsgetit]

hellzno, you do not know everything that has transpired so the majority of your comments are based solely on your assumptions and you look silly. You say, "from mickola's last post it only makes Letsgetit look even sketchier" well ofcourse it does because he stated some things how he wanted it to appear not precisely how it occurred (which exactly what you've accused me of doing). When you're dealing with someone who is dishonest and attempting to extort people on another website as well, you have to do a little digging to somehow make sense of it all. And digging I have done!

This is why I people like you and supersaver2009 post then go away.

Its as if you're only reading and taking in what you want to take in. I'm scum to him but an excellent seller to TWENTY other members (including 2-3 members after him, one which also returned an item with no issue with their store credit), right :confused:

You can bring the horse to the water but can't make him drink. If I offer to refund it looks like I'm defensive and trying to make him go away. If I leave it alone I'm avoiding Peter blah blah. Look, If he rejects my co-operation to this point what else can I do but leave it up to the authorities? If you would handle it differently then ok. This is annoying now and MY thread here has gotten pretty long.

How come all of you didn't show up in MADster123's thread, huh hellzno? They were victimized by a REAL scammer called Prestige45. When MADster123 went to the store from him their balance was $0. When mickola went the store the balance was $1200!!! I have PM'd MADster123 and they were very upset and we only exchanged one PM but for all I know mickola probably bought $1000 off of Prestige45 then bought $1200 off me and bought all his items fine and is using me to somehow try to obtain his money back that Prestige45 weasled him out of. There are many possibilities here.

I did not scam mickola. Bottom line.

I will not be responding to any more foolish accusations and assumptions. It is in the police's hands now, not mine. What part of that do you not understand?

[aricebox]

Letsgetit, you would almost be able to change everyone's opinion of Mickola if you can provide proof supporting your claim of mickola attempting to scam someone on another site.

You have been notified by another member of Mickola attempting to scam or do something "similar" on another site but you fail on providing any sort of proof supporting your claim.

like hellzno stated, peter's email was also given to you, if you have time coming onto RFD and reading this thread and also replying, i am positive you could have taken the time out of your day to write a simple email to peter, or at least telling him WHO you are and leave your number so he can call you back if anything.

You offered to buy him $850 worth of HD tools out of the goodness of your heart?
If you truly wanted to do something back for Mickola, it would've been to have GONE inside HD with him to clear this up so neither of you would have to deal with this hassle. I am positive that is still an option.

Also, It is NOT a legal obligation to pay Mickola back, as you have sold the GC's to him, he used it, you got your money. Your side of the transaction is complete. However I, and i am sure many of the members on this thread are addressing the ethicalness pertaining to your behaviour as well as your intolerance towards solving this issue, as many people will lose confidence in dealing with you or any other sellers for GC's, I would only assume it is also in YOUR best interest to call/email/contact peter to clear things up.

You are also disregarding the fact that the horse DID drink the water, if you fail to recall, EVERY TIME you offered Mickola ANYTHING, he accepted WITHOUT much hesitation, it is YOU who is beating around the bush and never getting to completing those offers.
Sure, you're busy, but don't forget it is you who made those offers.

and for the record, not only did i read MADsters123's thread but i am also aware of your post right after mine. You bring up the difference between the two by saying that when MADster went to the store the gc had $0 value, however when Mickola went it was $1200, If you recall, Mickola used the gift card IMMEDIATELY and bought tools, but MADster was busy and running late so she used it TWO HOURS after the purchase of the GC's, this is more and enough time for someone to call in and report the GC as missing/stolen...etc

[aricebox]

woops double post sorry.

[Letsgetit]

You are right, aricebox. The reason I even offered him that was solely empathetic and based on my views of what is ethical to do here considering that what he says is truely so.

On July 6th, I contacted Home Depot Customer Support for Store customers at: 1(800) 668-2266. I painted them the scenario that mickola brought forth that he bought stuff with a gc, returned it for store credit, used $130 off of the store credit and now it doesn't work any more. I asked them, "does that store credit link in any way to the originating gift cards" and they said, "No." The strange thing is that when I relayed my findings to mickola he told me that he was told the exact opposite.

I did not email Peter. I called Peter the first time, and it rang out and I went back to work. I am under no obligation to hunt down Peter as Letsgetit. Lets just say I called Peter but didn't inform him I'm Letsgetit and he stated the same thing the customer service rep told me over a month ago. What would you conclude?

And the information I have is not to be divulged on an Internet forum. It will be given to any authority only should I be included in any investigation. It is my fault for not writing down the gift card numbers on the back before selling though because if these cards were obtained from Prestige45 and I am being used as a puppet right now I'm going to be very upset.


Letsgetit, you would almost be able to change everyone's opinion of Mickola if you can provide proof supporting your claim of mickola attempting to scam someone on another site.

You have been notified by another member of Mickola attempting to scam or do something "similar" on another site but you fail on providing any sort of proof supporting your claim.

like hellzno stated, peter's email was also given to you, if you have time coming onto RFD and reading this thread and also replying, i am positive you could have taken the time out of your day to write a simple email to peter, or at least telling him WHO you are and leave your number so he can call you back if anything.

You offered to buy him $850 worth of HD tools out of the goodness of your heart?
If you truly wanted to do something back for Mickola, it would've been to have GONE inside HD with him to clear this up so neither of you would have to deal with this hassle. I am positive that is still an option.

Also, It is NOT a legal obligation to pay Mickola back, as you have sold the GC's to him, he used it, you got your money. Your side of the transaction is complete. However I, and i am sure many of the members on this thread are addressing the ethicalness pertaining to your behaviour as well as your intolerance towards solving this issue, as many people will lose confidence in dealing with you or any other sellers for GC's, I would only assume it is also in YOUR best interest to call/email/contact peter to clear things up.

You are also disregarding the fact that the horse DID drink the water, if you fail to recall, EVERY TIME you offered Mickola ANYTHING, he accepted WITHOUT much hesitation, it is YOU who is beating around the bush and never getting to completing those offers.
Sure, you're busy, but don't forget it is you who made those offers.

and for the record, not only did i read MADsters123's thread but i am also aware of your post right after mine. You bring up the difference between the two by saying that when MADster went to the store the gc had $0 value, however when Mickola went it was $1200, If you recall, Mickola used the gift card IMMEDIATELY and bought tools, but MADster was busy and running late so she used it TWO HOURS after the purchase of the GC's, this is more and enough time for someone to call in and report the GC as missing/stolen...etc

[hellzno]

You're doing it again! You're going off on a complete tangent and completely avoiding the issue.

Get in touch with Peter

Lets just say I called Peter but didn't inform him I'm Letsgetit and he stated the same thing the customer service rep told me over a month ago. What would you conclude?

That's the problem. You're failing to own up and you're acting like you have something to hide.

Listen, this can all go away by contacting Peter via e-mail (instead of hunting him down via the phone :rolleyes:) instead of posting on and on about how you've done the right thing and going off on tangents.

We're not idiots so the more you kick and scream, the more we can see you for who you truly are.

[mickola]

LETSGETIT,

I will respond publicly since apparently you are still monitoring the thread, although you keep saying you finish with this thread. Sir, you have a problem in keeping your own word.

1. YOU SAID:
You said you filed a case with the police so good luck with that mickola. This back and forth has gone on long enough and you declining to accept the cash is very strange (trying to double up?)
Here's our PM about the last offer.
http://img43.imageshack.us/img43/9605/letsgetit2.th.gif (http://img43.imageshack.us/i/letsgetit2.gif/)

Who declined to hand the money directly? Who declined to send the money electronically? I even sent you PM, try to compromise and will give you my address, but you keep giving me more excuses.

2. YOU SAID:
Incase what I stated above is not clear, I have received a warning about mickola and advice from legitimate authority that not only am I not entitled to issue a refund to this individual but a warning that he has attempted something similar on another website.
Again. Another excuse and in this case, a false accusation. Redflagdeals is the ONLY site I join where members can actively do BST and as I mentioned earlier, this is the first time I purchased something from BST forum. Bad first experience. Really bad.
Can you show me the proof that I'm attempting something similar on another website? You are making up a story and if that's the reason you back off from your own offer, it is really a lame excuse.

FYI, The other message board that I follow closely is realgm.com, I barely post anything, same as this site, this thread making my stats look deceiving.


3. YOU SAID:
I agree with the members that it is sketchy that I offer you a refund.
Since you stated you filed with the police go ahead and pursue that because this back and forth isn't going anywhere and if you really believe that I was sold fraudulent gift card then pursue getting to the bottom of it. We both know I'm not a scammer dude. I tried to help for a long time since July 6th. Good luck I guess.

July 6, 2009 is the day YOU and I met @ HD Woodbridge for the second time. What happened with your rejection on my request to see Peter on the spot? If you are willing to help me, we won't see this long thread. Peter (and Home Depot) has proof that your GCs were fraud and he's willing to show that information to you. That's more than a month ago. Not even a phone call. (calling the number doesn't count if you didn't speak with him). No email even after I sent you his email address. And your excuse? You don't have any obligations to contact him!

By meeting him, we can solve the issue easily. If you can prove him that you obtained your GC you sold me legitimately, I will get my money/store credit back from HD and you don't need to worry about giving the money to me from your own pocket.
If you cannot prove it, then you have to admit you sold me fraudulent GCs and I think this is the scenario you don't want to face.

Here's the conversation I had with YOU just before we met for the second time:
http://img195.imageshack.us/img195/8282/letsgetit.th.gif (http://img195.imageshack.us/i/letsgetit.gif/)
I sent you PM on July 4th, pretended that I was going to buy another Home Depot GC. YOU replied and we met on July 6th. See, how fast YOU could come with $1225 value of GC. I think one of the poster questioning your source and this is a sample of how shady your source is and this long thread just showing how hard you try to protect him/her.

Letsgetit, you're a young man. 20? 25? And you are willing to mortgage your future by selling fraud stuff? You keep saying you're not a scammer, but you fail to prove it to everyone, every single posters that following this thread.

A simple request, CONTACT PETER, and you keep making excuses not to call/email him.
Your first offer, $850 worth of items. More excuse and you failed to keep your word.
Your next offer to give me $650 CASH. You still can back up your word.
What's next, man?

To other fellow RFDers, thanks for your support. It's really hard to swallow the loss, especially during this time plus the new addition of family a couple month ago. Damn you Letsgetit, $1000 can buy my baby supply of diapers until he can potty train. :(

[Letsgetit]

Ok.

Look, I don't know what your goal is here. It appears as though you are out to tarnish my Internet forum reputation. The bottom line is this. I sold you a gift card, you used it, brought your items home, used the items, and decided to return everything 9 days later. Once you accepted the item and maxed out the gift card for goodness sakes, the deal is done and I am not involved with anything to do with returned items or store credit. Now you say that if I can prove that I sold you legitimate gc that HD will refund your store credit. Now if I could prove that the gc's in question are the ones I sold you and not ones you obtained from Prestige45 then I wouldn't be involved at all now would I???

I thought I was doing the right thing offering you that but I was contacted and told that isn't the right thing to do here. mickola, you know what you were doing when you returned those items. I am not going to attack your character here. I am not involved. If you had a problem with the gc then I would be face to face with Peter to assist but you do not have an issue with a gift card.

I must hand it to you though you are definitely good at swaying opinions and being manipulative with these members that appear very gullable. I'm not trying to be a bad guy but I did not issue you a fradulent gift card, store credit or cash. If the only way that Peter can issue you your money back is if I talk with him then that is ridiculous. If you sold someone something and they used it, brought it back to the store to exchange it, would you go into the store manager and talk about an item that you did not sell? Its the same thing because the gc and the store credit have NO attachment. If I located documentation with gift card numbers that do not correspond with the ones on your receipt then I will contact Peter and you will be out of here so fast with your tail between your legs. And I will NOT want an apology nor will I feel owed one from all the members who came in here bashing. Why did you return $1200 worth of stuff that you used and that you only paid $1000 for? Oh yea, to get $1200 worth of store credit. FLAG!!! MADster123 got scammed for $800 off Prestige45. $800+400 is $1200. Interesting increment wouldn't you say? Considering that I had 3x400 gc's.

I am no longer involved in this scenario. This is my thread. No more replies from me. Thank you all. Even those of you that judge preconceived without knowing everything.

hellzno, you just don't listen do you? Ok hellzno, if you sold mickola a saw with receipt and he used it and returned it to the store for a cheaper saw and then that saw stopped working and he wanted a refund from the store, are you obligated to sit down with the manager and debate a saw that you did not sell him? Do the right thing right...

Like I stated, I have been contacted about this issue and that information is private and I will not divulge it on an Internet forum for gullable people like hellzno to see. Just rest assured that I am confident about my involvement or lack thereof. The end.

-scum

</defensive>

[hellzno]

Ok.

Look, I don't know what your goal is here. It appears as though you are out to tarnish my Internet forum reputation. The bottom line is this. I sold you a gift card, you used it, brought your items home, used the items, and decided to return everything 9 days later. Once you accepted the item and maxed out the gift card for goodness sakes, the deal is done and I am not involved with anything to do with returned items or store credit. Now you say that if I can prove that I sold you legitimate gc that HD will refund your store credit. Now if I could prove that the gc's in question are the ones I sold you and not ones you obtained from Prestige45 then I wouldn't be involved at all now would I???

I thought I was doing the right thing offering you that but I was contacted and told that isn't the right thing to do here. mickola, you know what you were doing when you returned those items. I am not going to attack your character here. I am not involved. If you had a problem with the gc then I would be face to face with Peter to assist but you do not have an issue with a gift card.

I must hand it to you though you are definitely good at swaying opinions and being manipulative with these members that appear very gullable. I'm not trying to be a bad guy but I did not issue you a fradulent gift card, store credit or cash. If the only way that Peter can issue you your money back is if I talk with him then I guess you will not get it back. Why did you return $1200 worth of stuff that you paid $1000 for? Oh yea, to get $1200 worth of store credit. FLAG!!!

I am no longer involved in this scenario. This is my thread. No more replies from me. Thank you all. Even those of you that judge preconceived without knowing everything.

-scum

If you have so much time to get all defensive - I'm sure you could've emailed Peter by now... but I guess scum like you don't do the right thing.

Get in touch with Peter!

[aricebox]

I am sorry Letsgetit, however your analogy with the saw is completely false and irrelevant. Right now, Mickola has confirmed with peter that the GC's that were sold by YOU were bought with a faulty cc. Therefore it IS related to you.

You said that your two offers were offers from your heart, and how empathetic you were being. However you can save yourself $850 worth of HD stuff or $650 cash if you would just man up and speak with peter and help Mickola get his money back.

Hellzno is correct, but he is being harsh. I won't call you any names, but I'd wish you'd understand that Mickola is the victim here until you can prove otherwise "with proof of Mickola trying to scam someone on another site you mentioned".

You complain about how we are gullible and is ruining your internet reputation, but if you'd just show us sufficient proof, we'd STFU right away and maybe even take your side (but from the way you try and put everyone down...probably not)

anyways INSTEAD of going in circles (6 pages of Letsgetit + Mickola's stories repeating over and over again) let's try to make some progress here.

If you believe you're innocent, just call peter and get this over with. To be honest even if you WERE aware that the GC's were fraud...at least pretend that you didn't. You're probably not gonna get in sh*t anyways (if any)

I for one just hopes Mickola get's his money back.

[turtlenuts]

I'll give you guys the last update.

He offered me $650 CASH instead and asked me to take it or leave it.

After discussing with some people, I chose to take the offer. BUT again Letsgetit came with excuses. He wouldn't meet me in person to hand the $650, instead he asked for my address since he's gonna send the money via XpressPost! I'm not comfortable giving him my full address and sending money via mail, I heard it was a common thing..... 30 years ago!

I asked him to send it via email/EMT, but his excuse is he has bad experiences with EMT so he doesn't trust it, it's coming from a fellow that spend his time on the net, selling stuff. :rolleyes:

If this is true.. Letsgetit is full of crap. Period.
You can keep making your lame excuses, but no one's going to buy it at this point. And the fact that you started this thread is irrelevant.

[cgtlky]

Letsgetit, e-mail Peter then post the e-mail between you and Peter. Defending yourself here is useless everyone reading this thread is thinking that you is a scammer indeed.

I agree with other forumer that mickola provided you both e-mail and phone number so you have 2 options to reach Peter. If I were you and the buyer say I scam him/her I will definitely go with him/her to meet Peter (trash talking will lend to nothing).

[watungga]

The case here is not so simple, guys.

Letsgetit might incriminate himself if he showed to Peter as himself and assuming it involves stolen credit cards. He is not really 100% criminally liable because the instance of HD-flagging issue might be of aggravating instance where the source credit card might have been flagged during the 9-days-wait-before-refund period.

Letsgetit does not have obligation to appear to Peter. Benefit of the doubt still exists at this point, except via subpoena or present himself if invited for questioning.

Letsgetit might be very reluctant to present himself to Peter, as it may reveal his trade secret - moreso if its really legitimate or "legal-unless-caught" methodologies. Or more like "catch him if you can" business - where its very difficult to make him liable.

In summary, Letsgetit's image is now tarnished unless he could defend (incriminate) himself (and reveal his trade secrets, if there is one legal). In RFD world, the burden of proof is on him - which he has no moral authority to do so - and just live with tarnished image as it is now. But the civil justice system, the burden of proof is on the person of authority - who will lay charges to whom we don't know yet.

I don't think he can get his tarnished image back, even if he is acquitted in court.... RFD may demand more than this, everyone wants his piece of trade secret. You all know why.

[lazarus]

Confusing situation. So who purchased these GC originally? Sounds like letsgetit bought/acquired/traded the GC's then re-sold them to mikola.

I also find it kinda find it weird that that mikola would buy a $1200 gift card for $1000 and not have a specific purchase in mind that would use the balance up right away. You both went to the store together, checked the balance and then mikola didn't use the whole GC amount at the same time?

Kinda weird to buy some $130 tools as a present just to return them later cause their wife says so. What is weirder is that $1000 is a lot of money to spend on a gift card just to buy $130 of tools, and to leave the rest of the GC balance idle.

Mikola should get some official document from HD saying the gift cards were bought with stolen CC and canceled by HD as a result. I wouldn't accept something verbal from HD for that amount of money. Once you get it, send it to the admin.

If the totals line up on the gift card amounts, there is little question on who is telling the truth, and who is a liar. Give all the card numbers to the Admin, and he can pass it on to the seller who tossed out all the info.

If the mikola is lying about his story and the GC being fake to scam some money out of the seller, he is pure scum.

I think there are 2 huge things to learn from this.

1) GC sellers - Don't buy gift cards from a 2nd party then re-sell them unless you trust your source or the gift cards had been issued long enough ago so that CC fraund would have been noticed by retailer.

2) GC buyers - Read the GC purchasing tips. http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/showthread.php?t=237948 and use the cards whole balance right away.


Hopefully this isn't a case of a seller gone bad, or having been scammed buying bad cards and scamming someone else. Or worse yet some sleazeball making up a story about the cards being bought with a stolen CC cause he knows the seller received the GC's second hand (through trade/purchase/whatever) to resell and can't really validate any of the claims.

Mikola, to be honest, if you are telling the truth, get the guys full name and location. Go through the phone book/411 and start calling random numbers until you find his parents #. Tell them that their kid scammed you, that you want to call the police as last resort and you want their kid to give you your money back.

I did that for some guy that scammed me out quite a bit. Funny what influence good parents have on their kids (no matter what age).

I'm on the fence for who I think is the liar or at fault. Letsgetit has the rep, but I can't check the values of the GC he's sold since the threads were edited after the sales. mikola has an old account, but no rep and real low post count.

But as it stands, as a RFD casual buyer and seller, I wouldn't deal with either of you two just to be safe. You both seem like sketchbags.

To be honest, RFD should also look at fixing the feedback system. Make it manditory for the buyer to post info on the item that was purchased and the amount paid. It's soooo useless having a link to an edited thread with no info.

[cgtlky]

Mikola, to be honest, if you are telling the truth, get the guys full name and location. Go through the phone book/411 and start calling random numbers until you find his parents #. Tell them that their kid scammed you, that you want to call the police as last resort and you want their kid to give you your money back.



Mickola provided Peter's HD phone and e-mail at Woodbridge location, am I right? or are you asking Mickola to provide Letsgetit real identity?

Letsgetit did not even provide how he obtain the GC but keep on blaming Mickola for this and that. What we need is how Letsgetit obtain the GC (e.g. Letsgetit brought from CL1 then post it for sale in RFD and so on...)

[mickola]

Lazarus,

I used the GCs almost right away after I got them from Letsgetit. I spent all of them for tools ($1260 in total which I originally bought for Father's Day gift for my father and 2 uncles - 3 sets of power drills). If I had a choice, I'd rather kept those tools, but I already have one and who needs 3 power drills? That's why I returned them all and I understood that I was going to get $1200 in a store credit ($60 was refunded to my CC), I am working on a small renovation project and I'm pretty sure I can use the store credit easily.

The $130 from the store credit was not spent for power tools, but for few stuff for my small project (PL300, caulking gun, solder kit, etc).

The point is if the GCs are VALID, I should be able to use the store credit anytime, right?

I asked HD to give me a printout/statement that the GCs were purchased using a fraudulent CC. But the company policy restricts them to give the information to customer. They can release it to the police though. However, Peter and his security expert let me saw the status of the store credit on the screen.

I don't like HD policy, it's not fair for customers who have the same experience like me. That's the reason I'd like Letsgetit to come and see Peter, explain to him where he got the GCs. I gave Letsgetit Peter's email & phone number.

I have Letsgetit's first name, his cellphone, and license plate. I gave those information to York Police Dept. Maybe some members can help me find out more information about him? JAC? I may call his parents and telling about what happened as you suggested.




Confusing situation. So who purchased these GC originally? Sounds like letsgetit bought/acquired/traded the GC's then re-sold them to mikola.

I also find it kinda find it weird that that mikola would buy a $1200 gift card for $1000 and not have a specific purchase in mind that would use the balance up right away. You both went to the store together, checked the balance and then mikola didn't use the whole GC amount at the same time?

Kinda weird to buy some $130 tools as a present just to return them later cause their wife says so. What is weirder is that $1000 is a lot of money to spend on a gift card just to buy $130 of tools, and to leave the rest of the GC balance idle.

Mikola should get some official document from HD saying the gift cards were bought with stolen CC and canceled by HD as a result. I wouldn't accept something verbal from HD for that amount of money. Once you get it, send it to the admin.

If the totals line up on the gift card amounts, there is little question on who is telling the truth, and who is a liar. Give all the card numbers to the Admin, and he can pass it on to the seller who tossed out all the info.

If the mikola is lying about his story and the GC being fake to scam some money out of the seller, he is pure scum.

I think there are 2 huge things to learn from this.

1) GC sellers - Don't buy gift cards from a 2nd party then re-sell them unless you trust your source or the gift cards had been issued long enough ago so that CC fraund would have been noticed by retailer.

2) GC buyers - Read the GC purchasing tips. http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/showthread.php?t=237948 and use the cards whole balance right away.


Hopefully this isn't a case of a seller gone bad, or having been scammed buying bad cards and scamming someone else. Or worse yet some sleazeball making up a story about the cards being bought with a stolen CC cause he knows the seller received the GC's second hand (through trade/purchase/whatever) to resell and can't really validate any of the claims.

Mikola, to be honest, if you are telling the truth, get the guys full name and location. Go through the phone book/411 and start calling random numbers until you find his parents #. Tell them that their kid scammed you, that you want to call the police as last resort and you want their kid to give you your money back.

I did that for some guy that scammed me out quite a bit. Funny what influence good parents have on their kids (no matter what age).

I'm on the fence for who I think is the liar or at fault. Letsgetit has the rep, but I can't check the values of the GC he's sold since the threads were edited after the sales. mikola has an old account, but no rep and real low post count.

But as it stands, as a RFD casual buyer and seller, I wouldn't deal with either of you two just to be safe. You both seem like sketchbags.

To be honest, RFD should also look at fixing the feedback system. Make it manditory for the buyer to post info on the item that was purchased and the amount paid. It's soooo useless having a link to an edited thread with no info.

[bubble.tea]

Sup lazarus...haven't bumped into ya in a long while eh?

Still kickin'?


Allow me to add one important point to your list of lessons:

...
I think there are 2 huge things to learn from this.

1) GC sellers - Don't buy gift cards from a 2nd party then re-sell them unless you trust your source or the gift cards had been issued long enough ago so that CC fraund would have been noticed by retailer.

2) GC buyers - Read the GC purchasing tips. http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/showthread.php?t=237948 and use the cards whole balance right away....


The first and foremost lesson here is moderation. I personally have a 'rough' number of feedback per value of deal I'm engaging in.

Under 10 I won't deal +$200

If it's a $500+ deal I won't do anything below 35-45 feedbacks.

I don't see how in heaven's name anybody would deal a cool G with a 16+feedback user.

Feedback is good...but having just over a bakers dozen is hardly sufficient to put a grand in complete trust therewith.

Hope you guys sort this out. It would appear...if we are taking for truth this 0- feedback users testimonials, that OP did in fact sell GCs that were fraudulently purchased-whether knowingly or not-I'm sure nobody here can say.

What's the chance this buyer is fabricating this entire story? He is after all a 0 feedback person? (just throwing this out there....we can't dismiss the ENTIRE credibility of OP after all...16 feedback is not a walk in the park., shows some level of reliability...or just luck at not getting stung yet LOL :lol: ).

[lazarus]

haha, yeah still kicking. Just barely... I'm out of the country and won't really be moving back anytime soon though. lol

Ok, @ Mikola. Post what info you have on him if you want. If he is a legit seller, there is absolutely no reason for him to care.

To be honest, I think your story sounds very suspicious.

but I guess it's possible that letsgetit got some bad GC's, and decided to sell them regardless or he didn't know they were bad, but now refuses to take responsibility.

But the fact that they worked when you made the purchase leads me to think that it's very possible that you tried to do a buy return trick to get a $1200 + $60 refund on your CC. But since HD didn't do it you are stuck with $1200 store credit with nothing needed to buy and basically spent $1000 cash.

Either way this is a huge learning lesson for u.


1) You were ripped off 100% by the seller: If you were ripped off by the seller, then now you know not to buy a GC without having a 100% intended purchase you won't need to return. And you can try to get all his contact info and inform family members.

2) If you tried a buy return scam to make $200 cash: But really only got $1200 store credit, and lying about HD not allowing you to use it. If that is the case, don't get pissed at the seller and serves you right. Use the store credit up and sell the stuff here, ebay or the paper. Maybe you can break even on the $1000.

3) Scammer got scammed: If you tried to do a buy return scam, but letsgetit ended up selling you bad GC that worked, but you got burned after you did the return to try and make $1200 cash -- that is bad karma. For some reason I think this is the situation.

You guys both seems very suspicious. The seller for selling and aquiring gift cards, and you for buying a bunch of tools and using your CC for $60 of the purchase then returning the stuff.

To be honest, letsgetit reminds me of mikescool. He sold me a 2 plane vouchers he traded/aquired/bought off someone. They worked no problem , but then then the third time I tried to buy off him, I EMT'd him the $$ then he disappeared.

Maybe mods want to do an IP check and make sure letsgetit doesn't have a few accounts here.

[Letsgetit]

At least some of you are posting have a reasonable train of thought unlike most. I absolutely believe that he tried to score a profit. If you buy 3 expensive power tools you must know that the people they are intended for have them or not thats why I knew his story was sketchy from the start. Second of all, once you return everything why did you only purchase $130 out of $1260 store credit if you bought $1200 worth with an intent to purchase that much money worth of items???

I only have one account here. But supersaver2009 and maybe one other one definately seem like they are very pro-mickola if you know what I mean.

Anyways, ofcourse someone would mind their personal information posted on an Internet forum, regardless. If someone bought something off of you that caused no issue then posted your phone number in an Internet forum, you'd care too. This guy is a perfect example of the creepers out there that you don't want having your number. The only people I'd want to have the number are people I know and the 16+ (pleasant) people I have met with, excluding mickola, ofcourse.

What do my parents have to do with anything? Answer me this: This guy tried to pressure me to give him money (ala extortionist, saying he hasn't told his wife he made this purchase, yet his story says his wife was the one who told him that his uncle and father already had the tools he bought at the store and to return them? Come on now :idea:? Think for a minute) Put yourself in my shoes on that one. Many holes in his claim. We both have each others phone numbers. However, one strange thing is the FIRST time we met up and went in to check the balance he took a picture of the license plate on the vehicle I was in (my vehicle was in an accident which he knew which made it even more strange to me). After the fact I took this as he had something like this planned all along. When he tricked me and wasted 2 hours of my time (this being the main reason I don't want to see this scum again) he took another picture. I thought it was odd so I took a picture of his as well and he allowed me to.

My mistake was not assuming this guy could be scum (despite my initial intuition) and keeping a specific record for the gc numbers on the cards he received. I am not pumping out fraud cards and other gentlemen were on time and kind so I didn't feel like I should keep tabs on all the numbers just in case because there shouldn't have been a just in case instance if you understand what I'm saying. The meaning is that there is a possibility that he obtained gc from Prestige45, got ripped off, couldn't get in touch with Prestige45, panicked and since I was one of the few other sellers selling HD, he bought off of me, purchased his stuff fine and dandy and is giving me the short end of the stick! I am a step closer to proving it though but I realize that even after the smoke settles that my rep is clearly tarnished (so elaborating and emailing Peter will do nothing!). Thats why I'm a little off the defensive and am focusing more on proving this guy is using me as an escape goat. Proving to you all that I did not scam him does nothing for my image (true right?). I am not talking to Peter about store credit I did not give mickola, period!

He did meet up with me, he did buy gc's off me, but they may not be the gcs that Peter flagged. If I could prove this then there would be no issue though >:( and this would all make sense to me. I tried to help but then this guys true colors got shown and I received some information from HD employees, authorative figures and PMs from good members here with pertinent information advising me that this guy is shady and not just because he has ZERO feedback.

haha, yeah still kicking. Just barely... I'm out of the country and won't really be moving back anytime soon though. lol

Ok, @ Mikola. Post what info you have on him if you want. If he is a legit seller, there is absolutely no reason for him to care.

To be honest, I think your story sounds very suspicious.

but I guess it's possible that letsgetit got some bad GC's, and decided to sell them regardless or he didn't know they were bad, but now refuses to take responsibility.

But the fact that they worked when you made the purchase leads me to think that it's very possible that you tried to do a buy return trick to get a $1200 + $60 refund on your CC. But since HD didn't do it you are stuck with $1200 store credit with nothing needed to buy and basically spent $1000 cash.

Either way this is a huge learning lesson for u.


1) You were ripped off 100% by the seller: If you were ripped off by the seller, then now you know not to buy a GC without having a 100% intended purchase you won't need to return. And you can try to get all his contact info and inform family members.

2) If you tried a buy return scam to make $200 cash: But really only got $1200 store credit, and lying about HD not allowing you to use it. If that is the case, don't get pissed at the seller and serves you right. Use the store credit up and sell the stuff here, ebay or the paper. Maybe you can break even on the $1000.

3) Scammer got scammed: If you tried to do a buy return scam, but letsgetit ended up selling you bad GC that worked, but you got burned after you did the return to try and make $1200 cash -- that is bad karma. For some reason I think this is the situation.

You guys both seems very suspicious. The seller for selling and aquiring gift cards, and you for buying a bunch of tools and using your CC for $60 of the purchase then returning the stuff.

To be honest, letsgetit reminds me of mikescool. He sold me a 2 plane vouchers he traded/aquired/bought off someone. They worked no problem , but then then the third time I tried to buy off him, I EMT'd him the $$ then he disappeared.

Maybe mods want to do an IP check and make sure letsgetit doesn't have a few accounts here.

[mickola]

Letsgetit,

My wife told me to return the stuff. She DIDN'T KNOW that the gift cards aren't valid. I told you, she even didn't know that we met for the second time!

I almost purchased GC from prestige45, we exchanged PM, called him, but he backed off in the last minute. So, I NEVER bought anything from him. Lucky? Not really. I ended up buying GCs from you.

Put yourself in my shoes on that one. Many holes in his claim. We both have each others phone numbers. However, one strange thing is the FIRST time we met up and went in to check the balance he took a picture of the license plate on the vehicle I was in (my vehicle was in an accident which he knew which made it even more strange to me).

NOW, you're lying again.
The only time I took your a picture of your license plate was the second time we met.

Letsgetit, just admit it. IF you're not a scammer, you won't be afraid to meet or contact Peter.



At least some of you are posting have a reasonable train of thought unlike most. I absolutely believe that he tried to score a profit. If you buy 3 expensive power tools you must know that the people they are intended for have them or not thats why I knew his story was sketchy from the start. Second of all, once you return everything why did you only purchase $130 out of $1260 store credit if you bought $1200 worth with an intent to purchase that much money worth of items???

I only have one account here. But supersaver2009 and maybe one other one definately seem like they are very pro-mickola if you know what I mean.

Anyways, ofcourse someone would mind their personal information posted on an Internet forum, regardless. If someone bought something off of you that caused no issue then posted your phone number in an Internet forum, you'd care too. This guy is a perfect example of the creepers out there that you don't want having your number. The only people I'd want to have the number are people I know and the 16+ (pleasant) people I have met with, excluding mickola, ofcourse.

What do my parents have to do with anything? Answer me this: This guy tried to pressure me to give him money (ala extortionist, saying he hasn't told his wife he made this purchase, yet his story says his wife was the one who told him that his uncle and father already had the tools he bought at the store and to return them? Come on now :idea:? Think for a minute) Put yourself in my shoes on that one. Many holes in his claim. We both have each others phone numbers. However, one strange thing is the FIRST time we met up and went in to check the balance he took a picture of the license plate on the vehicle I was in (my vehicle was in an accident which he knew which made it even more strange to me). After the fact I took this as he had something like this planned all along. When he tricked me and wasted 2 hours of my time (this being the main reason I don't want to see this scum again) he took another picture. I thought it was odd so I took a picture of his as well and he allowed me to.

My mistake was not assuming this guy could be scum (despite my initial intuition) and keeping a specific record for the gc numbers on the cards he received. I am not pumping out fraud cards and other gentlemen were on time and kind so I didn't feel like I should keep tabs on all the numbers just in case because there shouldn't have been a just in case instance if you understand what I'm saying. The meaning is that there is a possibility that he obtained gc from Prestige45, got ripped off, couldn't get in touch with Prestige45, panicked and since I was one of the few other sellers selling HD, he bought off of me, purchased his stuff fine and dandy and is giving me the short end of the stick! I am a step closer to proving it though but I realize that even after the smoke settles that my rep is clearly tarnished (so elaborating and emailing Peter will do nothing!). Thats why I'm a little off the defensive and am focusing more on proving this guy is using me as an escape goat. Proving to you all that I did not scam him does nothing for my image (true right?). I am not talking to Peter about store credit I did not give mickola, period!

He did meet up with me, he did buy gc's off me, but they may not be the gcs that Peter flagged. If I could prove this then there would be no issue though >:( and this would all make sense to me. I tried to help but then this guys true colors got shown and I received some information from HD employees, authorative figures and PMs from good members here with pertinent information advising me that this guy is shady and not just because he has ZERO feedback.

[mickola]

Lazarus,

The fact I have ZERO feedback doesn't mean anything. As I said, this is the first time I purchased something through BST forum. I've been lurking this site for a long time, just to see the deals I can get from the "HOT DEALS".


2) If you tried a buy return scam to make $200 cash: But really only got $1200 store credit, and lying about HD not allowing you to use it. If that is the case, don't get pissed at the seller and serves you right. Use the store credit up and sell the stuff here, ebay or the paper. Maybe you can break even on the $1000.

Sir, I'm not lying about HD flagging the store credit. They have all the proof which unfortunately cannot be consumed by public. That's the reason I ask Letsgetit to come and see Peter, WITH me. I want him to proof HD that the GCs are legit.
Peter has followed this thread closely. When I met him a month ago, he even showed me a printout of this long thread. Too bad, the corporate policy won't allow him to join the conversation as HD reps.



3) Scammer got scammed: If you tried to do a buy return scam, but letsgetit ended up selling you bad GC that worked, but you got burned after you did the return to try and make $1200 cash -- that is bad karma. For some reason I think this is the situation.

I don't intend to get $1200 cash. I'm aware when I return items purchased via GCs, I will get a store credit.

BTW, what's with the suggestion to spend the GC right away after you get it? Are all discounted GCs obtained here questionable?
Even if I didn't return the tools I bought, there's a party here that get scammed (HD).


haha, yeah still kicking. Just barely... I'm out of the country and won't really be moving back anytime soon though. lol

Ok, @ Mikola. Post what info you have on him if you want. If he is a legit seller, there is absolutely no reason for him to care.

To be honest, I think your story sounds very suspicious.

but I guess it's possible that letsgetit got some bad GC's, and decided to sell them regardless or he didn't know they were bad, but now refuses to take responsibility.

But the fact that they worked when you made the purchase leads me to think that it's very possible that you tried to do a buy return trick to get a $1200 + $60 refund on your CC. But since HD didn't do it you are stuck with $1200 store credit with nothing needed to buy and basically spent $1000 cash.

Either way this is a huge learning lesson for u.


1) You were ripped off 100% by the seller: If you were ripped off by the seller, then now you know not to buy a GC without having a 100% intended purchase you won't need to return. And you can try to get all his contact info and inform family members.

2) If you tried a buy return scam to make $200 cash: But really only got $1200 store credit, and lying about HD not allowing you to use it. If that is the case, don't get pissed at the seller and serves you right. Use the store credit up and sell the stuff here, ebay or the paper. Maybe you can break even on the $1000.

3) Scammer got scammed: If you tried to do a buy return scam, but letsgetit ended up selling you bad GC that worked, but you got burned after you did the return to try and make $1200 cash -- that is bad karma. For some reason I think this is the situation.

You guys both seems very suspicious. The seller for selling and aquiring gift cards, and you for buying a bunch of tools and using your CC for $60 of the purchase then returning the stuff.

To be honest, letsgetit reminds me of mikescool. He sold me a 2 plane vouchers he traded/aquired/bought off someone. They worked no problem , but then then the third time I tried to buy off him, I EMT'd him the $$ then he disappeared.

Maybe mods want to do an IP check and make sure letsgetit doesn't have a few accounts here.

[MaximusPrime]

Let's getIt why don't you contact Peter I mean you don't have anything to hide right? Mickola may have some flaws in his story but I mean u claim u did nothing wrong right? I'm not trying to take sides on this story but I mean both of u meet in starbucks buyer buys an expensive cofee for seller and have a civilized conversation. Many of us want to know how u obtained these giftcards as well. Why were they flagged as fraugulent?
All of us learned something from this
don't buy gift cards with very high amount if money
best of luck to both of you guys in resolving this issue

[bubble.tea]

Lazarus,

The fact I have ZERO feedback doesn't mean anything......
BTW, what's with the suggestion to spend the GC right away after you get it? ...

Actually the fact that you have zero feedback lends to your credibility...or lack thereof ;). It means A LOT.

A lot of people sell GCs legitimately...USUALLY...unless it is out of financial desperation that someone will take a 20% hit though. Otherwise, if you see a large percentage...either the person won the GCs and doesn't care to 'sit on the gcs' for long...or, their overhead was a lot less than the face value of the GCs.

mmmm., YUM Breakfast!

[cgtlky]

Actually the fact that you have zero feedback lends to your credibility...or lack thereof ;). It means A LOT.



Bubble.tea, are you saying if a forumer does not have a feedback, he/she should not buy or sell anything at BST section? because he/she lack credibility and is consider a scammer?

[bubble.tea]

Bubble.tea, are you saying if a forumer does not have a feedback, he/she should not buy or sell anything at BST section? because he/she lack credibility and is consider a scammer?

How does what I said-remotely equate to what you mistakenly interpreted?

Anybody can buy or sell anywhere.

The fundamental point is trust. On an line website you cannot guage trust by grammatical correctness, or prompt replies. You can only guage trust by REP. While definately there could be someone who is starting off (heck I once had zero FB myself) and is legit and is worth a trade., the point is, I would make damn sure the item I'm picking up is legit before paying the entire amount. This is why on RFD, UNLESS you have sufficient feedback and are doing a distance trade, it is ONLY if you have sufficient that you get your money up front. Otherwise if the buyer has feedback and the seller DOESN'T., then the seller ships FIRST, then the buyer who has a rep to maintain will-upon receipt of said goods-issue payment. These are the rules. If you want to gamble., then operate by a different set of rules.

I never said IF you have zero FB you are a scammer. I merely said, to each calibre of REP status goes a proportional amount of trust. The more REP you have, the more someone on RFD will trust you to pay blindly up front.

[hellohowru]

I think you should just contact the police.
Since he is not willing to pay you back fully.
Give his license plate # to the police, explain the whole situation.
Show the police this forum and give them Peter's contact for confirmation.
Its obvious he back out from the $850 equipment because he cannot provide you with a proper receipt.
All I see in this thread is excuse excuse excuse to NOT contact Peter.
Partial refund is not an option for Letsgetit, either you pay back the full amount or you contact HD to pay back the full amount.

[mickola]

I did. I gave all the information I have to York Police Dept.

An officer called me and he's the one who suggested me to take Letsgetit's offer ($650 cash).


I think you should just contact the police.
Since he is not willing to pay you back fully.
Give his license plate # to the police, explain the whole situation.
Show the police this forum and give them Peter's contact for confirmation.
Its obvious he back out from the $850 equipment because he cannot provide you with a proper receipt.
All I see in this thread is excuse excuse excuse to NOT contact Peter.
Partial refund is not an option for Letsgetit, either you pay back the full amount or you contact HD to pay back the full amount.

[watungga]

Mickola,

You have no proof to pin down Letsgetit. As a buyer of Gift Cards, you should have taken proof of purchase from any seller, whatever it takes, knowing the trade is too risky already. Now the offer of $650 is a manna from heaven - you should have grabbed it at once and accept anything irregardless of any method of payment.

[mickola]

Watungga,

I accepted all his offers (first offer: $850 in items, second offer: $650 cash), but he always finds excuses not to keep his own words. Read my previous posts, I included his PM to me.

Mickola,

You have no proof to pin down Letsgetit. As a buyer of Gift Cards, you should have taken proof of purchase from any seller, whatever it takes, knowing the trade is too risky already. Now the offer of $650 is a manna from heaven - you should have grabbed it at once and accept anything irregardless of any method of payment.

[MaximusPrime]

Don't accept the 850 probably use another stolen gc LOL

[aricebox]

sad to say i don't see this ending very well anymore.

any updates mickola?

[applecheeks]

sad to say i don't see this ending very well anymore.

any updates mickola?

I want to know the results too! Pretty intense thread...

[Parth]

Well here's one thing that can be done. Letsgetit, you don't want to meet mickola in person or transfer anything via EMT. Mickola, you don't want anything sent via xpresspost.

Why doesn't another RFD member that lives close to both of these guys act as a middle man/woman? Letsgetit, hand the money over to that person and then mickola go pick it up.

I don't see how either of you could have any objection to this. And I'm sure there is a kind RFDer out there that is willing to take 15 minutes of their time to do this. I'll do it if the locations are convenient.

[aricebox]

No offence Parth, but I think Mickola/Letsgetit would rather ask someone they know personally rather than a "kind" rfd-er

i'm not saying there are none out there, but I think trusting a complete stranger from the internet with money like that isn't exactly reasonable.

[supeg93]

Wow OP, you are such a scammer.

You not emailing/calling this Peter guy = you are a scammer.

OP needs to go to jail for whatever credit card scams he is running.

[djoutcry]

where did OP go? lol

[CrimsonGuardian]

Letsgetit whatever sounds like a liar and is afraid to give Peter a call because of the stolen GC's purchased on a crappy credit card.

I say he gets perma banned.

mickola, how goes the police investigation?

[mickola]

Letsgetit whatever sounds like a liar and is afraid to give Peter a call because of the stolen GC's purchased on a crappy credit card.

I say he gets perma banned.

mickola, how goes the police investigation?

The last time i spoke with an officer was a month ago. I sent him an email few weeks ago asking about the progress and his answer is they're still investigating and collecting information from Home Depot. Since then, I haven't heard anything back from anyone :(

[CrimsonGuardian]

The last time i spoke with an officer was a month ago. I sent him an email few weeks ago asking about the progress and his answer is they're still investigating and collecting information from Home Depot. Since then, I haven't heard anything back from anyone :(

Tell them to get their butts moving! A police investigation doesn't take several months for something this small, especially if you HAVE all of the documentation with you...

Letsgetit still hasn't spoken with Peter and he's been given all the time in the world to... He's clearly a scammer that needs to be perma banned. Just because he keeps repeating 'but look at my rep in the past on RFD!', doesn't mean tbat he can't suddenly become a scammer like he's done here.

I honestly think thay he's the one who bought those GC's with stolen credit cards and he's just making lame excuses to try and cover his tracks.. But people aren't as gullible as you think they are, Let's.

I think you should get the cops to arrest him.

[Couper]

Even if the police charge him with anything, you still won't get any restitution. You need to start filing civil proceedings (ie; small claims court). A fraud-related conviction will certainly help your case, but it could be months and months down the pipeline.

Stop trying to arbitrate this out of court and just file the paperwork already. Going into HD and "talking to Peter" won't do anything at this point. As far as he and HD are concerned the GCs were, at some point, purchased fraudulently. They've done their due diligence by canceling the gift card and, as a corporation, could care less what happens at this point.

It's clear that, somewhere along the line, someone ripped someone off here.

[cgtlky]

letsgetit already spend all the money and leave or have been ban by the mod. Since he is not reacting anymore.

Couper, I do agree someone have been ripped ( letsgetit) and letsgetit also ripped mickola.

[Letsgetit]

The OP didn't go anywhere, he is right here (I did say I don't have time for the back and forth remember). I have been co-operating with the ivestigation, however little information I had, and was in contact with the officer that mickola was in contact with. This matter is now resolved and I am not involved in any way and also legally.

Members like bubble.tea and Couper ("talking to "Peter" wouldn't do anything") have basis and substance behind their comments unlike others.

I'm just updating anyone who is interested. Details don't really matter. If mickola wishes to divulge that then it is his discretion.

My only advice to anyone is be careful who you meet with or do any business with and if you think something is too good to be true, (discount for eg.) it is.