Beware vsingh - dishonest seller

[Pricyber]

http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/showthread.php?t=722613

Sony Xperia X1.

He claimed that it is a X1a from Rogers unlocked. Meet up with him he showed me that it has the Rogers mail apps, Model is X1a and guaranteed that it accept North America 3g band(850mhz). I also ask to see the Rogers letter, but he refused due to personal information. Check the phone, made a call and everything works as it should. Done with the transaction.

Later when I got home, I looking into the topic again. The Xperia X1 that he sold me has CPU Qualcomm 7200a which means it is a X1i . X1a should have an Qualcomm 7201a.

Contacted the seller about my findings, and his response is its 100% from rogers. And said he wont reply my regarding the topic anymore.

Regards:
** The phone does work flawlessly and in very good condition except the fact that it doesnt do 850mhz. I expect it is a X1i with x1a rom. Potential buyer should check and make sure that it is the hardware version that they are purchasing not just the software.**

Here is the actual conversation on RFD. Only added colour, bold and removed "quote" from the PM

Original Posted by vsingh
I don't want to talk this topic anymore, the phone 100% X1a, also i don't show any receipt to my client, that is my personal information. I won't reply anymore, this is my last reply !!!

Originally Posted by pricyber
A simple google search will tell you that X1i(7200a) and X1a(7201a) have different cpu. And the phone you sell me has a 7200a on it with but the model shows x1a.

The x1a you sell me DOES NOT have 850mhz for North America 3g.

Also I am telling you what happen that you said because of personal information, you didnt show me the receipt from Rogers.

I did my search. And I am not arguing I am stating facts.

Originally Posted by vsingh
Do you know what is the different X1i & X1a, both phone is same CPU, only the different X1a have 850mh for North America 3G, don't try to say this phone is not X1a !!! Pls search the web see what is the different to ask me the question, also i never provide any personal docunemt to my customer, pls don't argue with me any more!! The phone 100% from Rogers !!

Originally Posted by pricyber
When I made payment to you on last Friday(June 26), you showed me the in the system-> Device information that it show x1a in the model as well as Rogers customization. Also showed me that it has rogers mail. I also asked you about the letter from rogers, but you said due to personal information you refused to let me see it.

Everything looks like its from Rogers, except that its with a x1i chip thus does not accept 850mhz in Canada

Originally Posted by vsingh
got it from rogers, also u did check this fone to make sure tht is made of Rogers before u made the payment.




Originally Posted by Pricyber
Hi there even on the phone it say x1a, but the cpu is a Qualcomm 7200A which indicate it is an x1i without the 850mhz.

Did you got it from rogers or did you get it from someone else?

Thanks for replying


Originally Posted by vsingh
100% x1a



Originally Posted by Pricyber
I checked the phone is a X1i with x1a and it doesnt accept Canadian 850mhz.

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Added regards and bolded one of the "Originally Posted by pricyber"
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[mcg]

Damn that sucks.

With all the warnings in his thread, I thought everyone knew already not to deal with this guy.

[swwqq]

Definetly a dishonest trader. Many pol have had problems with him including me. Said he would buy a nokia phone from me and doesn't reply to any if my pms after that. Mods shud ban him or do something for his dishonest trading practiced. Ppl don't do any buisness with him!!!!

[Pricyber]

The following is my personal opinion on the matter:

All of the complains in the forums shows he will just back out on sales. Which I have deal with alot of such seller since I start dealing in RFD around 5 years ago both online and offline. I thought it would be okay as I am dealing in person. And overlook the tiny detail. I was told that I was lucky as I still got a working phone but a lie is a lie.


Anyways people on RFD should be careful dealing with his person, as I expect he will start another account and start selling.
Fellow RFDers please verify the item carefully before spending your hard earned cash.

[jvaf]

Definetly a dishonest trader. Many pol have had problems with him including me. Said he would buy a nokia phone from me and doesn't reply to any if my pms after that. Mods shud ban him or do something for his dishonest trading practiced. Ppl don't do any buisness with him!!!!


Nothing wrong with that. NO one is OBLIGATED to buy from you.

[phomp]

Definetly a dishonest trader. Many pol have had problems with him including me. Said he would buy a nokia phone from me and doesn't reply to any if my pms after that. Mods shud ban him or do something for his dishonest trading practiced. Ppl don't do any buisness with him!!!!

there is nothing that would be a ban-able offense that you put here in this post. Bad trading edict? sure, but nothing more than that.

[swwqq]

lol ya but i had to tell 2 people it was sold because he wanted to buy it and he tried setting up a date and a time. After, he didnt respond. I basically lost buiseness because of his dishonesty
Not responding shows that he is hiding or lurking in the forums. There are other singh accounts as well so mods should look into that.

[captawesom3]

yeah i swear this is the same guy that everyone messages, and he sets up a day but never goes to the meetup. i've tried messaging him once about a bb 8900. he told me he would do it and then i learned that he is dishonest. atleast now everyone knows what hes up to.. what a douche.. lol

[vsingh]

I got the fone from Rogers & sold to the buyer Pricyber. A week later, the Pricyber said tht "** The phone does work flawlessly and in very good condition except the fact that it doesnt do 850mhz. He expect it is a X1i with x1a rom."

He said tht "Everything looks like its from Rogers, except that its with a x1i chip thus does not accept 850mhz in Canada". How could he say tht: I did let him to check the fone at least half hour before he made the payment on June 26.


Also he said tht "Potential buyer should check and make sure that it is the hardware version that they are purchasing not just the software."

How do i know tht, do i have to ask Rogers sales agent everytime when i purchase from them??

[Pricyber]

It is hard to believe that you don't know about the chip etc. considered that you can post something like this in http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/showthread.php?p=8828697#post8828697.

Anyhow the point is you have sold me an X1 with an X1i chip instead of the X1a if this phone is really from Rogers why not get Rogers to see if they really had branded it like this instead?

I am posting this post because even it is a fully functional phone it is not what I expected to be. Imagine someone selling you a Rebranded CPU chip for computer it still works but just a bit of lacked features. And if you can share your experience in the above link? Why cant I do the same with the X1 I got and warn user about something that had happened to me personally?

Or if you claim that you had no idea about the flashed rom. Do you want me to change the title as Experience with vsingh instead of dishonest seller?

[Allan edwards]

can there not be somekind of way to smooth this out between the two of you. there is always a solution if everyone moves a little things happen.
he doesnt like the press,you dont like the phone. which he could not have known its very possible.
he could have bought it that way and not have been told or
some other technical thing i have no idea about. But its always better to find some middle negotiate it out and move on to the next project. Its still worth something right?

[Pricyber]

I would have negotiated something out with him maybe he could get Rogers to send him a real X1a if its really from Rogers and he could send the X1i(or A) back to Rogers with no loss to him. But his response is that it is 100% x1a and wont reply anymore. And he havn't contacted me since I posted other than posted two response(1 delete) in this post.

[swwqq]

buddy ur not an honest trader many people have had problems with you can you take a hint. Return this persons money or his phone you obviously scammed him

[xtcnrice]

It is hard to believe that you don't know about the chip etc. considered that you can post something like this in http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/showthread.php?p=8828697#post8828697.

Anyhow the point is you have sold me an X1 with an X1i chip instead of the X1a if this phone is really from Rogers why not get Rogers to see if they really had branded it like this instead?

I am posting this post because even it is a fully functional phone it is not what I expected to be. Imagine someone selling you a Rebranded CPU chip for computer it still works but just a bit of lacked features. And if you can share your experience in the above link? Why cant I do the same with the X1 I got and warn user about something that had happened to me personally?

Or if you claim that you had no idea about the flashed rom. Do you want me to change the title as Experience with vsingh instead of dishonest seller?

To those that don't understand what he's going through, picture a different scenario:

Issue:
My example will only make sense or give much concern to people who are familiar with computers and understand (you don't need to know how to perform) overclocking.

Example:
Imagine you bought an Intel Q6600 processor, one of the earlier quad core chips out there. You did some research and you found out that there are 2 major revisions of the Q6600, the B3 and the G0. They both perform the same to the average user who just wanted to hop onto the quad-core-wagon, but there is a HUGE difference. The G0s almost ALWAYS outperforms the B3s when it comes to overclocking. Overclocking the G0 (stock 2.4 GHz) to 3.6 GHz on air is doable, while the B3s can barely do 3.0 without frying up or refuse to boot. That's 600 potential MHz gone (give or take). You are probably thinking, "well that's your fault for not buying the right revision". Well, in the OP's case, what if you bought this processor off some next guy on RFD and he stated that it was a G0 chip, and then he gave you the same BS after you find out you got a POS rather than a very acceptable Q6600 that you were looking forward to (plus all the time you used on research about G0 vs. B3). The OP's case is the same when it comes down the the phone. "X1a vs. X1i" 's difference is simply the same. And when it comes to these fine numbers (frequency of the chip) on a cell phone, these things are actually more noticeable than you would imagine.

But most us RFDers are not low enough to avoid such conflict. Where I would get upset about the situation and start a thread like the OP did would be when the seller avoids you because he knows he's wrong, or doesn't understand and has no intention on resolving the situation.

Anyways I suppose that was quite the ******** example. But to the OP I feel your pain. RFD doesn't have much control over these lowly-type scammers. So to you and to anyone else, when it comes to pricey items (or not), inspect, inspect, inspect, if you're going to be picky/exact on what you're looking for.

You can blame the OP for being a tiny bit irresponsible, but you can't blame him for being upset at an awful seller.

[Invincible]

Why is this guy still allowed on the forums? I too experienced this first hand some time ago. And they say time changes people... :evil:

[jigz2k3]

I would have negotiated something out with him maybe he could get Rogers to send him a real X1a if its really from Rogers and he could send the X1i(or A) back to Rogers with no loss to him. But his response is that it is 100% x1a and wont reply anymore. And he havn't contacted me since I posted other than posted two response(1 delete) in this post.

why don't you call Rogers and provide the IMEI... if they say it's not in their database then you know it's not a Rogers phone