Forced Swine Flu Vaccinations?

[Nettles]

http://www.prisonplanet.com/canadian-government-to-implement-medical-tyranny.html

Okay I know it's an over exagerated title but in the 70s when swine flu hit the US, I think 26 people died from the vaccine while 1 died from the flu.

Canadian Government To Implement Medical Tyranny

Femacamper (Guest Writer)
PrisonPlanet.com
Friday, June 26, 2009

I thought we had seen it all when the World Health Organization declared Swine Flu a level 6 pandemic. Apparently it’s just the beginning. In spite of the mounting resistance against forced vaccination, the Canadians have planned to trump that and just start rolling out the vaccines.

The Canadian Press reports “Canada’s chief public health officer says the decision of whether to vaccinate Canadians against swine flu has been all but decided.” They expect to start first trials with Canada’s younger and native populations first.

The whole swine flu pandemic reeks of mishandling, and conspiracy to profiteer over fear-mongering. Ron Paul mentioned how government would use it as an excuse to set up more regulations and spend more money. It could even be used to get the go-ahead for martial law. As has been demonstrated by scientific authorities, army intelligence, political scientists and investigate journalists, the swine flu is a military lab-engineered concoction designed to solidify the framework for what we are now seeing– medical tyranny.

Every free human being is sovereign, and should have the universal right to control over what goes into their bodies and bloodstream. Vaccines have been shown to be deleterious to the health of the individual taking them, and have little or no benefit in preventing oneself from getting the illness they are designed to stave off. In fact, as seen in cases in Nigeria and China it’s quite possible to actually contract the infection from the vaccine itself. Every flu season, numerous outbreaks occur, and each mutation and variation is not effected by the old vaccine. Added to that fact is the reality that mercury, biological contaminants and other pollutants are routinely used as ingredients in vaccines (this grim subject has even been parodied in the Canadian media):

What’s In A Flu Shot

Canadian Government To Implement Medical Tyranny 3

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gWfCnjnShnM

Yet now the Canadian government has determined what’s best for its citizens without consulting them. Ignoring tried and true methods, they’ve embraced the medical industrial complex - big pharma - in a nefarious alliance. Canada is a prime example of a nanny state gone bad. Canadian health care is a socialist system with welfare bums and countless recipients on social assistance for some real, and some very imagined medical problems conjured up by a system that bolsters up hypochondria.

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What will be next? If I, a Canadian citizen, refuse my injection, what will they do? Will they force me to take it at gunpoint? Will I be denied my basic human rights? Or perhaps I will be added to a terrorist database for not complying?

I notice the media is already putting spin on this news release the moment it was released. For example, read the editorial comment at the bottom of this article:

“This does NOT, I repeat, this does NOT necessarily mean that vaccinations will be mandatory or forced. Although they might trick you into believing so, but you can always print out the ten points of the Nuremberg Code and make them sign a document in which you state that you do not want to be vaccinated, and if they do vaccinate you, they will be personally liable for any and all consequences; this is, in case you don?t want any vaccines. But if you do want a few jabs, go right ahead.”

So, how does the Canadian government intend to immunize the “entire population” of Canada on a voluntary basis? Certainly, a large percentage of citizens would say no. But in the event of a real (or as in this case, conjured up) pandemic, there would have to be forced vaccinations to implement total immunization. This does not leave the Public Health of Canada in a good light.

This decision by the Canadian federal authorities is outrageous, and needs to be confronted by grass-roots efforts. All citizens in their local municipalities need to confront politicians and attend town hall meetings on the issue of vaccination. Not to forget other controversial issues too, like fluoridation, chlorination, and other approved contaminants in our drinking water.

Certainly the United States and other nations will follow through with similar programs since the WHO has issued its declaration. Canada, stand up for your rights! It’s on your front door that chicken-necked tyrants are roosting, and you need to sweep the porch before these fowl lay their contaminated eggs near other roosts.

[fakishan]

If they want us to trust their vaccines, then give us more information about the vaccine, it's detailed content and samples at anyone's request for independent analysis.

[rchong]

As has been demonstrated by scientific authorities, army intelligence, political scientists and investigate journalists, the swine flu is a military lab-engineered concoction designed to solidify the framework for what we are now seeing– medical tyranny.

really...............:rolleyes:

[pitz]

Considering that even if you catch swine flu, its barely even harmful, what's the point? More people die in a given month from common colds, than have died in populations exposed to swine flu.

Personally, I'm afraid of needles, haven't had one in over a decade, and if they want to give me one, it won't be without a fight...

[t3359]

The name "Prison Planet" already speaks to the neutrality of the web site...

bjl

[MasterXan]

the new world order is gonna get us

[gman]

This is their opportunity to insert a chip to your body in order to track you.

[BornRuff]

So, how does the Canadian government intend to immunize the “entire population” of Canada on a voluntary basis? Certainly, a large percentage of citizens would say no. But in the event of a real (or as in this case, conjured up) pandemic, there would have to be forced vaccinations to implement total immunization. This does not leave the Public Health of Canada in a good light.

Simple, they will make the vaccine available to everyone who wants it. They usually vaccinate about a 3rd of the population in a typical flu season(about 10 million doses). They will certainly get much more demand for the swine flu vaccine because it is so hyped up in the media. They could easily get 50%-60% or much more of the population to take the vaccine. Even though people will refuse, the population will still have significant "herd protection".

Why would you assume this would be different than any other vaccination program? They intend for every baby born to receive a number of vaccines, though parents do opt out for various reasons, and no guns end up being involved.

[gman]

Why would you assume this would be different than any other vaccination program? They intend for every baby born to receive a number of vaccines, though parents do opt out for various reasons, and no guns end up being involved.

Except if you send your kid to public school system.

[hagbard]

What all the rest of you to get vaccinated, and we'll stay out. If you don't get it, we won't. We have connections, so no vaccination for us.

[BornRuff]

Except if you send your kid to public school system.

They don't force you to get the vaccinations. You just need to get some of them if you want to go to public school(unless you have religious reasons).

It's not like they are holding you at gun point. They simply tell you that if your not going to take the shots, you can't use that service.

[Chr1s]

Prison Planet is just a *little* skewed here.
It will not be mandated.

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/capress/090625/national/h1n1_vaccine_cda



Thu Jun 25, 10:06 PM
By Helen Branswell, The Canadian Press

TORONTO - The decision about whether to undertake a mass vaccination of Canadians against swine flu has been all but taken, the country's chief public health officer said Thursday.

Dr. David Butler-Jones said given the behaviour of the new H1N1 virus and the risk it poses, there is little chance Canada wouldn't push ahead with a vaccination program in the fall.

"At this point I cannot imagine not immunizing, given the nature of this disease, its variability and its risk to people, both in terms of illness but also serious illness and death," Butler-Jones said in an interview with The Canadian Press.

"It is a new virus, so most of us have no or very little immunity against it. And so immunization is our best protection."

As of Wednesday the World Health Organization reported nearly 56,000 people around the world have had laboratory confirmed cases of swine flu and 238 people have died.

In Canada, more than 6,700 confirmed cases have been reported and 22 deaths have been linked to the disease. The most recent, announced Thursday by officials in Manitoba, was a child under 18 who was said to have had some medical conditions.

A number of countries have placed orders with flu vaccine manufacturers for swine flu vaccine, which will take several months to produce.

But some - like the United States, where memories of the 1976 swine flu incident are still strong - have said they may delay making a decision about whether to use the vaccine until closer to the time when products have been tested and approved by regulatory agencies.

In early 1976 a swine flu virus infected a number of recruits at Fort Dix, Md., and the world thought a pandemic was in the making. Vaccine was made and a mass vaccination program was begun in the U.S. But the program was halted because of a higher-than-normal rate of cases of Guillain Barre syndrome in people who had received the shots.

It has never been determined why there was an elevated rate of the paralytic condition - which normally revolves itself over time - in people who received the vaccine.

Butler-Jones said safety trials of the new H1N1 vaccine will have to be conducted. And Canada's vaccine regulator, a branch of Health Canada, will have to study data from the trials to make sure the vaccine is safe and induces an immune response.

"We need to be assured that it's safe and the benefits are there," he said. "It's one step at a time."

Canada was the first country in the world to sign a pandemic flu vaccine contract. In 2001 it entered into a 10-year agreement with Shire Biologics - later bought by ID Biomedical, which was later bought by vaccine giant GlaxoSmithKline - that required the manufacturer to be constantly ready to begin production of enough vaccine to protect every Canadian who wants to be vaccinated.

The contract guarantees Canada access to the first vaccine that will be produced at GSK's manufacturing facility in Ste-Foy, Que.

Having domestic capacity to produce pandemic vaccine has long been considered a key to ensuring access. Pandemic planners have recognized that if a pandemic began to cause severe disease and a crisis situation arose, countries with vaccine manufacturing facilities within their borders might refuse to allow vaccine to be exported until domestic needs had been met.

Butler-Jones said there are decisions still to be made, including whether the country ought to offer the vaccine to everyone and in what order groups like children, adults and seniors should be vaccinated.

For instance, it currently appears that people over the age of 60 are at less risk of catching the virus and perhaps of developing severe disease if they do. One option might be to forego vaccinating that group.

"There may be some questions about how far you go in the population to actually address this," Butler-Jones said, though he acknowledged all the information needed to make good decisions may not be available when those decisions need to be made.

"As we've been doing, I expect we will likely be hedging our bets," he said.

Canada, like the rest of the world, will be watching what happens in the Southern Hemisphere during its winter, he said.

Based on the pattern of disease being seen, a group of experts will advise the council of federal, provincial and territorial ministers of health on a priority schedule for vaccine administration. Those recommendations will be made in the early fall, Butler-Jones said.

He said Canada is on target to start vaccinating against swine flu in late October.

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Follow Canadian Press Medical Writer Helen Branswell's flu updates on Twitter at CP-Branswell

[gman]

They don't force you to get the vaccinations. You just need to get some of them if you want to go to public school(unless you have religious reasons).

It's not like they are holding you at gun point. They simply tell you that if your not going to take the shots, you can't use that service.

Are you repeating what I said?

Except if you send your kid to public school system.

Sure, they are not holding you at gun point. They just suspend your kids (if they are already in public school system) and you just need to find them a private school or home school yourself. Of course, you just need to have some extra money and/or time/ability to do so. :rolleyes:

By the way, my daughter did get a letter of suspension because we forgot to give her one shot. She would be suspended if we cannot mail the proof that she got that shot by such and such date.

[aplayaz2000]

Separate the infected? O thats scary.

[fakishan]

They don't force you to get the vaccinations. You just need to get some of them if you want to go to public school(unless you have religious reasons).

It's not like they are holding you at gun point. They simply tell you that if your not going to take the shots, you can't use that service.

And it's illegal to pull your kids out of school, so yes, they are forcing you.

[asdfvcx]

And it's illegal to pull your kids out of school, so yes, they are forcing you.
No it's not. You can home school or place your children in private school.

Do you seriously not know that?

[gman]

No it's not. You can home school or place your children in private school.

Do you seriously not know that?

Actually, I am not even sure if the private school allows that because the letter came from Health Department and the school is forced to suspend my daughter after certain date if the Health Department did not clear her status. Private school may also be in the same boat. However, I don't really know.

[BornRuff]

Are you repeating what I said?



Sure, they are not holding you at gun point. They just suspend your kids (if they are already in public school system) and you just need to find them a private school or home school yourself. Of course, you just need to have some extra money and/or time/ability to do so. :rolleyes:

By the way, my daughter did get a letter of suspension because we forgot to give her one shot. She would be suspended if we cannot mail the proof that she got that shot by such and such date.

And it's illegal to pull your kids out of school, so yes, they are forcing you.

As already mentioned, you can certainly pull kids out of school if you would like to home school them or put them in private school.

Not having your child vaccinated is not just a matter of their health, it also affects all of the people that interact with the child. Schools are a prime place of an outbreak of any infectious disease to spread.

Vaccinations don't work 100% of the time, but as long as everyone gets the shots, enough people will have the immunity to give the rest of the people in the population herd protection. By not getting your kids vaccinated, you are not only willfully putting them at risk, but you are also willfully putting other kids at risk, as you are lowering the amount of herd protection for the children who do not develop immunity from the vaccinations.

If you want to put your own kids or yourself at risk, that's your prerogative(though only to a point when it comes to kids). When you start putting other kids a risk though, then you have a problem. So don't get the vaccinations if you don't want too, just know you have to make different arrangements for school.

[getmail99]

As already mentioned, you can certainly pull kids out of school if you would like to home school them or put them in private school.

Not having your child vaccinated is not just a matter of their health, it also affects all of the people that interact with the child. Schools are a prime place of an outbreak of any infectious disease to spread.

Vaccinations don't work 100% of the time, but as long as everyone gets the shots, enough people will have the immunity to give the rest of the people in the population herd protection. By not getting your kids vaccinated, you are not only willfully putting them at risk, but you are also willfully putting other kids at risk, as you are lowering the amount of herd protection for the children who do not develop immunity from the vaccinations.

If you want to put your own kids or yourself at risk, that's your prerogative(though only to a point when it comes to kids). When you start putting other kids a risk though, then you have a problem. So don't get the vaccinations if you don't want too, just know you have to make different arrangements for school.

LOL, no doctor told me I just need to fill in a form to exempt it. I need to find it out from the vaccine aware "conspiracy theory" website. Every single doctor told me if my child did not get all the shots, he cannot go to school.

[getmail99]

Actually, I am not even sure if the private school allows that because the letter came from Health Department and the school is forced to suspend my daughter after certain date if the Health Department did not clear her status. Private school may also be in the same boat. However, I don't really know.

I don't think private school can exempt it as long as it is under Ministry of Education, I think. Certain day camps and day cares need the shots card.

[BornRuff]

LOL, no doctor told me I just need to fill in a form to exempt it. I need to find it out from the vaccine aware "conspiracy theory" website. Every single doctor told me if my child did not get all the shots, he cannot go to school.

I honestly don't understand what you are saying here or how it relates to my post.

[getmail99]

They don't force you to get the vaccinations. You just need to get some of them if you want to go to public school(unless you have religious reasons).

It's not like they are holding you at gun point. They simply tell you that if your not going to take the shots, you can't use that service.

Are you repeating what I said?



Sure, they are not holding you at gun point. They just suspend your kids (if they are already in public school system) and you just need to find them a private school or home school yourself. Of course, you just need to have some extra money and/or time/ability to do so. :rolleyes:

By the way, my daughter did get a letter of suspension because we forgot to give her one shot. She would be suspended if we cannot mail the proof that she got that shot by such and such date.

As already mentioned, you can certainly pull kids out of school if you would like to home school them or put them in private school.

Not having your child vaccinated is not just a matter of their health, it also affects all of the people that interact with the child. Schools are a prime place of an outbreak of any infectious disease to spread.

Vaccinations don't work 100% of the time, but as long as everyone gets the shots, enough people will have the immunity to give the rest of the people in the population herd protection. By not getting your kids vaccinated, you are not only willfully putting them at risk, but you are also willfully putting other kids at risk, as you are lowering the amount of herd protection for the children who do not develop immunity from the vaccinations.

If you want to put your own kids or yourself at risk, that's your prerogative(though only to a point when it comes to kids). When you start putting other kids a risk though, then you have a problem. So don't get the vaccinations if you don't want too, just know you have to make different arrangements for school.

LOL, no doctor told me I just need to fill in a form to exempt it. I need to find it out from the vaccine aware "conspiracy theory" website. Every single doctor told me if my child did not get all the shots, he cannot go to school.

I honestly don't understand what you are saying here or how it relates to my post.

In your first post, you said no body is forcing you to have a vaccine, that is true. However, in my post, I want to point out that the doctors try to mislead the parents that their children need vaccine to go to school. No doctor tell the parents they can exempt the vaccine.

[BornRuff]

In your first post, you said no body is forcing you to have a vaccine, that is true. However, in my post, I want to point out that the doctors try to mislead the parents that their children need vaccine to go to school. No doctor tell the parents they can exempt the vaccine.

As far as I know, the only way to be exempt from that rule is for religious reasons.

[hagbard]

In your first post, you said no body is forcing you to have a vaccine, that is true. However, in my post, I want to point out that the doctors try to mislead the parents that their children need vaccine to go to school. No doctor tell the parents they can exempt the vaccine.

My doctor is very anti-vaccine (he also pointed out that the pharmaceutical companies are exempt from lawsuits regarding vaccines in the US). My wife, is pro. I think they should be avoided.

[BornRuff]

My doctor is very anti-vaccine (he also pointed out that the pharmaceutical companies are exempt from lawsuits regarding vaccines in the US). My wife, is pro. I think they should be avoided.

My largest issue with the anti vaccine people is that so little of their "evidence" is based on any real evidence. It's a lot of "what ifs" and anti intellectual sentiments like "all those vaccines couldn't be good!"

[hagbard]

My largest issue with the anti vaccine people is that so little of their "evidence" is based on any real evidence. It's a lot of "what ifs" and anti intellectual sentiments like "all those vaccines couldn't be good!"

My daughter has been diagnosed with autism, so I'm a bit cautious. I've also personally found that since I've stopped getting the flu vaccine two years ago (after twenty years of getting it every year) I've had next to no viral infections. I'm a guy who gets sick repeatedly all winter long. Now I get the occasional sniffle.

[BornRuff]

My daughter has been diagnosed with autism, so I'm a bit cautious. I've also personally found that since I've stopped getting the flu vaccine two years ago (after twenty years of getting it every year) I've had next to no viral infections. I'm a guy who gets sick repeatedly all winter long. Now I get the occasional sniffle.

I know that when a child develops a condition like Autism it is natural to want to find a reason.

The fact is that this vaccine/autism link has turned into a wild goose chase. They first said it was mercury in the shots, but that was proven false. They then said it was the MMR vaccine, and that was proven false. Now they are arguing it is some sort of reaction from the combination of shots given. At some point we have to realize that all the time, money, and effort being put into this stuff that is going nowhere could be much better spent on more promising research.

Anecdotes like you not getting sick since stopping your flu shot are not enough evidence for me to want to put children at risk of really nasty sicknesses like Polio, meningitis, Hepatitis, Tetanus, etc. People always make comments about how stupid it is to vaccinate for diseases we never hear about in our culture. Why do you think we don't hear about them? It is because we vaccinate for them.

I think above barring them from school, parents should be forced to cover all medical expenses for their children if they refuse a vaccination and then acquire that sickness. One of the main reasons the government pays for these vaccines is because they prevent costly treatment for these conditions down the line. If you are going to willingly put your child at risk of developing these conditions, why should my tax dollars pay for the consequences? It is pretty sad how often you hear about up scale nursery schools having outbreaks of diseases you thought only existed in the 3rd world.

[hagbard]

then there's the question of whether they actually work, for how long, and building resistance. I was immunized against pertussis as a child, I got it seven years ago. Apparently, everyone believed it was a life long immunization. I'm evidence it wasn't. Nasty stuff. Willing to bet our reliance on immunizations will bit us in the ass one day.

[BornRuff]

then there's the question of whether they actually work, for how long, and building resistance. I was immunized against pertussis as a child, I got it seven years ago. Apparently, everyone believed it was a life long immunization. I'm evidence it wasn't. Nasty stuff. Willing to bet our reliance on immunizations will bit us in the ass one day.

Vaccinations can't achieve 100% success, as there will always be people who react differently to certain shots. You do have to consider that you got your vaccine many years ago(can I assume a few decades?), and that vaccines have evolved a lot in that time.

That is my main reason for being annoyed by people who don't get their children vaccinated. As long as everyone gets the vaccines, there is still a high degree of herd protection for the ones who did not gain immunity from the shots. The more people who just decide not to get the vaccines lowers this protection.

How exactly do you propose that a "reliance on immunizations" will bite us in the ass?

[gman]

In your first post, you said no body is forcing you to have a vaccine, that is true. However, in my post, I want to point out that the doctors try to mislead the parents that their children need vaccine to go to school. No doctor tell the parents they can exempt the vaccine.

Please tell us how a student can exempt the vaccine in a normal situation. That is the part that "the doctor did not tell us". Thank you.

[Peckerwood]

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/did-leak-from-a-laboratory-cause-swine-flu-pandemic-1724448.html

[hagbard]

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/did-leak-from-a-laboratory-cause-swine-flu-pandemic-1724448.html

conspiracy theory. ;)

[Peckerwood]

http://www.torontosun.com/news/canada/2009/02/27/8560781.html