Rude: Where are our Manners?

[Cr0at1a]

Brilliant documentary about what is wrong with todays society and the ME Generation

People are too self-centred
People are too "entitled"
People do whatever makes them feel comfortable

There is less WE and more ME

The problem started with the Baby Boomers and the Flower Power movement

http://www.cbc.ca/documentaries/doczone/2008/rude/

I know that most people here will crap all over me for this ....
... oh well

[wallop]

This is sad indeed.

I don't have to.
I don't need to.

[CSR]

Welcome to Toronto?

[Rx-87]

Welcome to the free world

[champlinD]

Welcome to Toronto?

He He Me thinking same.

[babynorth]

Its called living in a 'civilized modern world'. What's next they gonna blame generation X too? Give me a break.

[nuberific]

If it makes you feel better, I like to think of the degradation of manners in our culture as a form of social evolution. We live in extremely dense and crowded areas and rarely will we repeatedly see the same random people on the street. As such, it becomes energetically inefficient to extend common pleasentries to these people because we would get very little in return. Whereas the same would not be true in the building where you work.

Then again I didn't watch the video because I'm browsing on my phone and I could be completely off base with what it's actually talkingn about. I'm just curbing my boredom and wanted to make an observation about something,

[Cr0at1a]

Its called living in a 'civilized modern world'. What's next they gonna blame generation X too? Give me a break.

Civilized modern world? The lack of manners and civility means that we are NOT "civilized".

Up until the 50s manners were very important.
Today they are not (to most people)

If it makes you feel better, I like to think of the degradation of manners in our culture as a form of social evolution. We live in extremely dense and crowded areas and rarely will we repeatedly see the same random people on the street. As such, it becomes energetically inefficient to extend common pleasentries to these people because we would get very little in return. Whereas the same would not be true in the building where you work.

Japan disproves your hypothesis because Japan is even more densely populated and they have a good code of public manners and behaviour - well at least better than ours here.


What makes me laugh is some people think that they have a right to be rude.

.

[nuberific]

Japan disproves your hypothesis because Japan is even more densely populated and they have a good code of public manners and behaviour - well at least better than ours here.

Well, it's pretty difficult to disprove or prove my hypothesis. But in the case of Japan, just because they have better manners than us doesn't mean their dense population hasn't caused a decrease in their social mannerisms. It could be cultural, or other, influences that keep their respect for random strangers higher than ours.

So I ask you this, do people in rural Japan extend more niceties than people in urban Japan? Just something to ponder.

[Cr0at1a]

I guess everyone has the right to be a douche.

[Adams06]

I think I saw a bit of this documentary on the weekend. It basically comes down to two factors really that are in a way related. First off, parents are acting more as their "kid's best friend" rather than a parent. They think that they can be on the same level as a child and coddle them all the time, always siding with the child and never really telling them they are wrong. The kids then have this perception that they are on an equal level with adults, so they turn their backs to the older authority figures since they believe they're equal.

The second factor I think (and Russell Peters describes it brilliantly) is the lack of discipline we give to children these days. In reality, parents need to hit their kids, there's no way around it. I'm not saying just walk by your kid and smack him or beat the crap out of him for no reason, but when it comes time for discipline, nothing really drives the message home as well as a spank on the ass, or even a little bit of a belt to ass. When I was a kid, I got spanked when I misbehaved. I also had my mouth scrubbed with dish soap if I ever swore to my parents. Both of these events only occured two times, since I learned my lesson. I'm 23 now and still don't swear around my parents, and generally have a positive outlook on most situations.

Now, I compare this to the kids I see when I'm coaching hockey. The "parents are a kids best friend" was really prevalent with this group of hockey players, and it was sad to hear a 12 yr old tell his dad to f-off, and not even get scolded for it.

In the end, kids need to be disciplined and learn to respect an authoritative figure.

[v_tofu]

I think I saw a bit of this documentary on the weekend. It basically comes down to two factors really that are in a way related. First off, parents are acting more as their "kid's best friend" rather than a parent. They think that they can be on the same level as a child and coddle them all the time, always siding with the child and never really telling them they are wrong. The kids then have this perception that they are on an equal level with adults, so they turn their backs to the older authority figures since they believe they're equal.

The second factor I think (and Russell Peters describes it brilliantly) is the lack of discipline we give to children these days. In reality, parents need to hit their kids, there's no way around it. I'm not saying just walk by your kid and smack him or beat the crap out of him for no reason, but when it comes time for discipline, nothing really drives the message home as well as a spank on the ass, or even a little bit of a belt to ass. When I was a kid, I got spanked when I misbehaved. I also had my mouth scrubbed with dish soap if I ever swore to my parents. Both of these events only occured two times, since I learned my lesson. I'm 23 now and still don't swear around my parents, and generally have a positive outlook on most situations.

Now, I compare this to the kids I see when I'm coaching hockey. The "parents are a kids best friend" was really prevalent with this group of hockey players, and it was sad to hear a 12 yr old tell his dad to f-off, and not even get scolded for it.

In the end, kids need to be disciplined and learn to respect an authoritative figure.

Damn, +1. Open handed spank on the ass is needed for sure. If you really messed up, you get the feather duster!

[feet_]

I think I saw a bit of this documentary on the weekend. It basically comes down to two factors really that are in a way related. First off, parents are acting more as their "kid's best friend" rather than a parent. They think that they can be on the same level as a child and coddle them all the time, always siding with the child and never really telling them they are wrong. The kids then have this perception that they are on an equal level with adults, so they turn their backs to the older authority figures since they believe they're equal.

The second factor I think (and Russell Peters describes it brilliantly) is the lack of discipline we give to children these days. In reality, parents need to hit their kids, there's no way around it. I'm not saying just walk by your kid and smack him or beat the crap out of him for no reason, but when it comes time for discipline, nothing really drives the message home as well as a spank on the ass, or even a little bit of a belt to ass. When I was a kid, I got spanked when I misbehaved. I also had my mouth scrubbed with dish soap if I ever swore to my parents. Both of these events only occured two times, since I learned my lesson. I'm 23 now and still don't swear around my parents, and generally have a positive outlook on most situations.

Now, I compare this to the kids I see when I'm coaching hockey. The "parents are a kids best friend" was really prevalent with this group of hockey players, and it was sad to hear a 12 yr old tell his dad to f-off, and not even get scolded for it.

In the end, kids need to be disciplined and learn to respect an authoritative figure.

+2!

kids need to know there are consequences..
if my kid told me to f*** off in public.
he wouldn't be able to sit on his ass for a week.

i do the count down method. my kids know once i get to 5, they're in serious trouble.
"parenting is a Dictatorship, not Friendship"

[sexpuppet6000]

Brilliant documentary about what is wrong with todays society and the ME Generation

People are too self-centred
People are too "entitled"
People do whatever makes them feel comfortable

There is less WE and more ME

The problem started with the Baby Boomers and the Flower Power movement

http://www.cbc.ca/documentaries/doczone/2008/rude/

I know that most people here will crap all over me for this ....
... oh well

This post coming from the guy who doesn't want to share the road with cyclists.

[Chr1s]

Hey! You forgot this...

Flips Cr0at1a the *finger* ;)

That seems to be the answer in the City when dealing with perceived rudeness, or 'accountability' issues. :lol:

[BananaHunter]

I blame all those human rights movements. People now think they have some god given right to be spoon fed food and have their asses wiped for them by society. Whever something is wrong, people will ***** to the government. Some people are incapable of reflecting upon their own actions. People were like that back then but I feel human rights made it worse. This breeds a sense of entitlement that the average person never had in history.

[abu_sme]

So many "hell in a hand basket" people around in my opinion. I don't know what people would prefer, moderate rudeness of today or the open racism and intolerance of the past. I'm not saying that it doesn't exist today, but we've come a long way from having a chinese head tax, racial segregation in the US, and exploitation of the natives.

Besides, none of you have ever lived in the Netherlands or Germany, if you have you know what true rudeness feels like.

[rfdrfd]

As horrible as this may sound in Canada's thinking, +1 as well

I had to hold out my left hand to get whipped by a thin, flexible bamboo from a feather deduster. Why left hand? Because I needed my right hand to CONTINUE to do my homework !! Brilliant !

This almost seems like an Army structure. Parents need to be the authority here. There can be friendship, but structure still has to be there.


I think I saw a bit of this documentary on the weekend. It basically comes down to two factors really that are in a way related. First off, parents are acting more as their "kid's best friend" rather than a parent. They think that they can be on the same level as a child and coddle them all the time, always siding with the child and never really telling them they are wrong. The kids then have this perception that they are on an equal level with adults, so they turn their backs to the older authority figures since they believe they're equal.

The second factor I think (and Russell Peters describes it brilliantly) is the lack of discipline we give to children these days. In reality, parents need to hit their kids, there's no way around it. I'm not saying just walk by your kid and smack him or beat the crap out of him for no reason, but when it comes time for discipline, nothing really drives the message home as well as a spank on the ass, or even a little bit of a belt to ass. When I was a kid, I got spanked when I misbehaved. I also had my mouth scrubbed with dish soap if I ever swore to my parents. Both of these events only occured two times, since I learned my lesson. I'm 23 now and still don't swear around my parents, and generally have a positive outlook on most situations.

Now, I compare this to the kids I see when I'm coaching hockey. The "parents are a kids best friend" was really prevalent with this group of hockey players, and it was sad to hear a 12 yr old tell his dad to f-off, and not even get scolded for it.

In the end, kids need to be disciplined and learn to respect an authoritative figure.

[gherikill]

Japan has an advantage since it is a fairly homogeneous socity. If everyone in Canada shared the same values manners would matter more.


Multiculturalism killed manners in this country since what is rude in one sociry is accepted in another.

[hunt3rshadow]

+2!

kids need to know there are consequences..
if my kid told me to f*** off in public.
he wouldn't be able to sit on his ass for a week.

i do the count down method. my kids know once i get to 5, they're in serious trouble.
"parenting is a Dictatorship, not Friendship"

My parents didn't even give me a warning. One word from mouth and I get an iron fist from the heavens

[Lone_Prodigy]

Ho-hum. Your generation always thinks itself superior to the younger generation (those darn kids, when I was their age blah blah) and the older generation (they had it so easy).

[wallop]

japan has an advantage since it is a fairly homogeneous socity. If everyone in canada shared the same values manners would matter more.


Multiculturalism killed manners in this country since what is rude in one sociry is accepted in another.

+1

[alex2]

welcome to toronto?


+1

[brunes]

This post coming from the guy who doesn't want to share the road with cyclists.
Damn straight! Think about how rude those cyclists are being, slowing down his daily commute!

The would would be so much more polite without cyclists!

[D-Roc]

Yes there is more rudeness with every age group. Not just with kids. Kids who are rude are taught this from their parents by example

The lack of physical violence against a child for misbehaviour is not the cause of rudeness. Hitting a child (with a belt, hand, etc) is always wrong and is the result of a parent who is frustrated with their inability to communicate with their child, proper behaviour.

[Coolisme]

I think I saw a bit of this documentary on the weekend. It basically comes down to two factors really that are in a way related. First off, parents are acting more as their "kid's best friend" rather than a parent. They think that they can be on the same level as a child and coddle them all the time, always siding with the child and never really telling them they are wrong. The kids then have this perception that they are on an equal level with adults, so they turn their backs to the older authority figures since they believe they're equal.

The second factor I think (and Russell Peters describes it brilliantly) is the lack of discipline we give to children these days. In reality, parents need to hit their kids, there's no way around it. I'm not saying just walk by your kid and smack him or beat the crap out of him for no reason, but when it comes time for discipline, nothing really drives the message home as well as a spank on the ass, or even a little bit of a belt to ass. When I was a kid, I got spanked when I misbehaved. I also had my mouth scrubbed with dish soap if I ever swore to my parents. Both of these events only occured two times, since I learned my lesson. I'm 23 now and still don't swear around my parents, and generally have a positive outlook on most situations.

Now, I compare this to the kids I see when I'm coaching hockey. The "parents are a kids best friend" was really prevalent with this group of hockey players, and it was sad to hear a 12 yr old tell his dad to f-off, and not even get scolded for it.

In the end, kids need to be disciplined and learn to respect an authoritative figure.

+3, got the bamboo stick treatment here.

[thomsonst780]

Brilliant documentary about what is wrong with todays society and the ME Generation

People are too self-centred
People are too "entitled"
People do whatever makes them feel comfortable

There is less WE and more ME

The problem started with the Baby Boomers and the Flower Power movement

http://www.cbc.ca/documentaries/doczone/2008/rude/



What would you suggest? Fascism...lol..oh yeah you are from Croatia, right?

Coincidence? From the country that brought you soccer fans who could on command form a human swastika. Nice. Perhaps if you don't like our hippy ways you can...leave.

http://card.wordpress.com/2006/08/18/racism-in-soccer-croatian-fans-form-human-swastika-in-italy/

http://humanswastika.files.wordpress.com/2008/06/0200647019300.jpg



http://www.earthtimes.org/articles/show/273058,zagrebs-gay-pride-parade-marred-by-ideological-clashes.html

http://emperors-clothes.com/archive/dynamited.htm

[wallop]

http://humanswastika.files.wordpress.com/2008/06/0200647019300.jpg



rofl!

[angekfire]

Manners? Guess I left them in my other pair of pants.

[Troi]

it never ends, does it?....

"The children now love luxury; they have bad manners, contempt for
authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place
of exercise. Children are now tyrants, not the servants of their
households. They no longer rise when elders enter the room. They
contradict their parents, chatter before company, gobble up dainties
at the table, cross their legs, and tyrannize their teachers.

ATTRIBUTION: Attributed to SOCRATES by Plato, according to William L.
Patty and Louise S. Johnson, Personality and Adjustment, p. 277
(1953)."

Bartleby.com
http://www.bartleby.com/73/195.html

[Troi]

Yes there is more rudeness with every age group. Not just with kids. Kids who are rude are taught this from their parents by example

The lack of physical violence against a child for misbehaviour is not the cause of rudeness. Hitting a child (with a belt, hand, etc) is always wrong and is the result of a parent who is frustrated with their inability to communicate with their child, proper behaviour.

+1^ I've always thought that an adult hitting a child just supports the idea that bullying is OK.

[abu_sme]

http://ikbis.com/westmediajunkie/shot/108694

[jjfz3000]

Brilliant documentary about what is wrong with todays society and the ME Generation

People are too self-centred
People are too "entitled"
People do whatever makes them feel comfortable

There is less WE and more ME

The problem started with the Baby Boomers and the Flower Power movement

http://www.cbc.ca/documentaries/doczone/2008/rude/

I know that most people here will crap all over me for this ....
... oh well

Yes. I agree, modern culture has became more materialistic and self-centered. But it's hard to see if the effects are negative or positive in the long run.

[fakishan]

Treat others as you want to be treated, but expect nothing in return.

[shannn]

I think something that is very common today (and it is very rude IMO as well) is when you talk to someone, and they don't bother taking off their earphones while listening to their MP3 player :mad: