So stupid people bashing on Z5500 speakers

[3121983]

This is gonna be a little bit of a rant but honestly a much deserved rant nonetheless. I own this speaker set and by far they are the sweetest pair computer speakers ever.

Now here's the problem I have. Some dumb people on another forum were trying to flame bait me into an arguement over my logitechs vs. custom speakers/receiver/sub. Now don't get me wrong I did my due diligence when it comes to researching and found the logitechs are waaaaaay better than custom speaker system. This guy said his Klipsh speakers were better than my logitechs and so I called him out on it. The stupid thing is everyone is argreeing with him on the issue.

My logitechs are so nice. I even spent $400 on them brand new a couple years ago. The bass is unmatched to any other subwoofer in its size. The speakers are so crisp and for movies, games and music its perfect. So I don't get where these other people can say that my logitechs are inferior. This isn't so much an ego battle so much as proving him and the haters wrong.
I'm really frustrated and usually don't get this mad over the internet.

[vitrify]

You again. e-penor not big enough from owning in tf2?

[flyz]

you again. E-penor not big enough from owning in tf2?

Damn smileys... :D

[Zero1]

This is gonna be a little bit of a rant but honestly a much deserved rant nonetheless. I own this speaker set and by far they are the sweetest pair computer speakers ever.

Now here's the problem I have. Some dumb people on another forum were trying to flame bait me into an arguement over my logitechs vs. custom speakers/receiver/sub. Now don't get me wrong I did my due diligence when it comes to researching and found the logitechs are waaaaaay better than custom speaker system. This guy said his Klipsh speakers were better than my logitechs and so I called him out on it. The stupid thing is everyone is argreeing with him on the issue.

My logitechs are so nice. I even spent $400 on them brand new a couple years ago. The bass is unmatched to any other subwoofer in its size. The speakers are so crisp and for movies, games and music its perfect. So I don't get where these other people can say that my logitechs are inferior. This isn't so much an ego battle so much as proving him and the haters wrong.
I'm really frustrated and usually don't get this mad over the internet.

Honestly bro, stop wasting your time and quit trying to raise your ego. No one cares what other peoples opinions are. If you get into a dumb argument like that, you don't have much things in your life to do do you?

[Evil Baby]

well I have no idea which speakers are better but do you have any solid proof that your speakers are indeed better, or are you just using personal judgment?

[Oversized Rooster]

I think that in the battle of Logitech versus Klipsch it is up to personal taste.

I personally think that the Logitech speakers sound better. I've listened to a Klipsch Ultra 5.1 several times and I definitely prefer my Z-5500 set. It's true that the Klipsch system offers greater midrange sound, but the treble sounded muffled and the subwoofer was not really thunderous unless you turned them up.

I received a similar impression when comparing the Klipsch ProMedia THX 2.1 set against the Logitech Z-2300. I have both of these systems at home and again I prefer the Logitech. The bass was a little too boomy on the Logitech set but the Klipsch set sounded plain muffled.

Now...as for complaining that X amount of people agree with me and Y amount of people disagree...I think that is irrelevant. At the end of the day, every person's wallet will do the talking and it really won't matter how many people agree with your choice because it's your money.

[Brewmeanie]

I'll give you some ego here right now.

I think my $400 home theater system is better then your set of speakers cuz I can use it for my PC/ps3/Tv/VCR. I got you beat in versatility. Therefore, MY EPEEN IS BIGGER THEN YOURS!

:D:D:D

[terrybear]

I'll give you some ego here right now.

I think my $400 home theater system is better then your set of speakers cuz I can use it for my PC/ps3/Tv/VCR. I got you beat in versatility. Therefore, MY EPEEN IS BIGGER THEN YOURS!

:D:D:D

Hate to disapoint you but ya can do so on the Z-5500's also :lol::cheesygri

[macuser]

rant
dumb people
This isn't so much an ego battle so much as proving him and the haters wrong.
I'm really frustrated and usually don't get this mad over the internet.
I have 2.0 unpowered Creative speakers driven with a Fiio E3.



















WHO HAS THE BETTER SPEAKERS NOW? I WIN! I ART TEH PWNERER!~

[trixstar]

with just one 12inch sub of mine.. i have the biggest e-peeeenn in this thread alone... not counting the other various speakers i have... i don't want my e-peeen going out of our solar system

[terrybear]

the speakers he's talking about are the BEST for the $ (if you get them sub $299). I have them connected to my LCD tv opticaly so I get my wii, dvd player & rogers HD sound thru it all in dolby & I use my set strictly in dolby theater mode. Compared to the thought of having to spend $600+ on a decent home theater setup for my small living area for entetaining (20'x20') they give me what I want & need.

That being said I am shure a nice set of 2 way or 3 way speakers on the channels with the default sub & controler as it may give them abit more definition, BUT that would cost how much more & for it ya might as well then go dedicated home theater reciever & such.

[toalan]

Is stupidity a valid reason for banning?

[djmr2]

Is stupidity a valid reason for banning?

unfortunately not :(

[zzz3]

This is gonna be a little bit of a rant but honestly a much deserved rant nonetheless. I own this speaker set and by far they are the sweetest pair computer speakers ever.

Now here's the problem I have. Some dumb people on another forum were trying to flame bait me into an arguement over my logitechs vs. custom speakers/receiver/sub. Now don't get me wrong I did my due diligence when it comes to researching and found the logitechs are waaaaaay better than custom speaker system. This guy said his Klipsh speakers were better than my logitechs and so I called him out on it. The stupid thing is everyone is argreeing with him on the issue.

My logitechs are so nice. I even spent $400 on them brand new a couple years ago. The bass is unmatched to any other subwoofer in its size. The speakers are so crisp and for movies, games and music its perfect. So I don't get where these other people can say that my logitechs are inferior. This isn't so much an ego battle so much as proving him and the haters wrong.
I'm really frustrated and usually don't get this mad over the internet.

link to forum :confused:...if what you described is correct an amp/sub/(speakers bookshelfs or floorstanders) will in fact sound better :!:

[jollyeskimo]

I have 2.0 unpowered Creative speakers driven with a Fiio E3.

Damn, don't you have to constantly replace the AAA's?

[__Kingpin__]

lmao. z-5500 better than a custom sub/receiver setup? are you serious?

i used to believe my z-2300 and my friends z-5500 were the BOMB until i heard the klipsch sub10/sub12 subwooder. those make z-5500 look like a little ant. unfortunately sub alone costs $500

hell even my cheap ass precision acoustics sub ($200) beats the z-5500 and z-2300 in terms of depth and quality of bass BY A BIG MARGIN

[Jucius Maximus]

YHBT
YHL
HAND

You have been trolled.
You have lost.
Have a nice day.

[macuser]

Damn, don't you have to constantly replace the AAA's?

I usually use headphones - speakers don't get much use, so I don't invest much in them. I use them for maybe 2-3 hours a week and that can be done with 1x AAA. using DX's no-brand AAAs which are like $2.7x/4pk, I get maybe 3-4 hours each.

[loybond]

Do I have this wrong, or is OP implying that the computer speakers are better than a proper amp and floorstanding Klipsch speakers?

[mysticalinfluence]

Do I have this wrong, or is OP implying that the computer speakers are better than a proper amp and floorstanding Klipsch speakers?

The Op is uber elite sweet gamer with special TF2 sniper skills his credit ablity is laughable at best. He is clearly trolling the computers forum can we get face palm for this thread. I think him and KK should become friends.

[Gee]

Who cares?

As long as you like them, who cares what anyone else has to say.

[Bskll]

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[KorruptioN]

Ignorance is so bliss...

[JAC]

Mommy, the bad mans made fun of my speakers!

[insomnioe]

Awww dude. Totally! The Z-5500 speakers are so l33t that they actually make your games go faster too!!!! Especially when OP is as elite a sniper as he claims, his eyes need the extra FPS so that he can be recruited by the top clans and make millions as a professional sniper.
:lol:

[ShadowVlican]

http://xs139.xs.to/xs139/09223/b5nthekc4iottz4evz3j4cefo2pm3374613.jpg (http://xs.to)

[mlerner]

Logitech is low end consumer so you can't compare them to higher end audio systems. In general though I don't see the hype with Logitech other than brand name, the Edifier speakers I have blow out any of the low end Logitech speakers and IMO I don't think the low end 5.1 computer speakers are any match for real sound systems.

[flyz]

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But these posts help us get through the day.......

[talktwo]

My logitechs are so nice. I even spent $400 on them brand new a couple years ago. The bass is unmatched to any other subwoofer in its size. The speakers are so crisp and for movies, games and music its perfect. So I don't get where these other people can say that my logitechs are inferior. This isn't so much an ego battle so much as proving him and the haters wrong.
I'm really frustrated and usually don't get this mad over the internet.

What does it matter what we say? If we agree that a custom setup is better than the Z5500 you're just going to cry foul and probably post in some other forum complaining that TWO forums are saying your Z5500's are possibly inferior to a custom setup.

[loybond]

Ignorance is so bliss...

Guy that signature makes me crack up every time I see it.

[N_Raged]

This guy said his Klipsh speakers were better than my logitechs and so I called him out on it. The stupid thing is everyone is argreeing with him on the issue.
Can I be one of these people just for kicks? :twisted:

3-way Klipsch > 2-way Logitechs

[maniacshopper]

whether one set of speakers are better than another depends I'd say on what you plan to use them for.

If you're into classical, then bass isn't something that's very important. high and midrange is key. If you're into rock or rap, the bass will be important, but equally important as the satelite speakers.

Just like a race car, a funnycar is fastest on drag race, but is $hit on corners. Whereas F1 cars are the fastest thing on 4 wheels on mid to high speed circuits. On ultra slow circuits maybe a gokart is fastest.

This is the mature answer, and it's the proper answer.

[balance]

troll :lol:

[kin0kin]

A cambridge soundworks/Klipsch is anytime "better" than the Z##00. I'm talking about tonality, details, sound quality, not SPL or flabby bass that the z##00 put out like a 50 y/o *****.

[flyz]

A cambridge soundworks/Klipsch is anytime "better" than the Z##00. I'm talking about tonality, details, sound quality, not SPL or flabby bass that the z##00 put out like a 50 y/o *****.

But you need bass to hear people's footsteps in tf2 and pwn. :rolleyes:

[konfusion666]

Can I be one of these people just for kicks? :twisted:

3-way Klipsch > 2-way Logitechs

Actually, the sats on the Z-5500 are "1-way" aren't they?

All I see is a single midrange driver with a phase plug. Does the presence of the phase plug make it 2-way?

Anyways, I just finished setting up my "new" Yamaha receiver... $99 off ebay... paired with some 13 year old Kenwood speakers... wow! just changing the receiver alone has resurrected these crappy old speakers! can't wait to see how everything sounds once I switch the speakers to something by PSB/Paradigm/KEF...

(and yes, my music already sounds much better on this than my Z-5500. the music i'm into doesn't solely consist of 80Hz thumping.)

[grant]

I'm really frustrated and usually don't get this mad over the internet.
I'm totally jealous that this the biggest problem in your life today.

[kin0kin]

no, it's a 3" full range driver with aluminum phase plug.

Nah you don't need flabby sub to hear foot steps, you need quality sound card that can pin point the location accurately. Or put on a headphone, anytime more accurate than a 5.1 speaker.

[jetway1212]

WOW..... this thread is epic, dont stop here OP. Post it EVERY FORUMS you can find on the internet. After all you've got no life.

And yes your HTIB sounds like fart.

[3121983]

What does it matter what we say? If we agree that a custom setup is better than the Z5500 you're just going to cry foul and probably post in some other forum complaining that TWO forums are saying your Z5500's are possibly inferior to a custom setup.

It might not matter to you but its important to me because this guy basically flipped me the bird by accusing me I don't know anything about speakers. I'll be the first one to admit I am wrong but only when I am which is not the case here. I can hear the subtleties and nuances in speakers. Actually I even go to future shop music department to test out their custom speakers energy, polk, infinity and they don't sound even as good as my logitechs.

I just want closure and I will admit I am hard headed at times. I don't like it when someone thinks they know their stuff when its clearly the other way around.

As for the TF2 comments you guys need to stop mocking me. I am a very skilled TF2 expert. Now that the Bow and Arrow update has just made the sniper totally dumb. I know it sounded like I was bragging but you can't argue with major pwnage. If u dont believe then lets 1vs1 I will domination any one here. I will even bet money on it we can set up Paypal to 3rd party neutral person.

[jollyeskimo]

this guy basically flipped me the bird by accusing me I don't know anything about speakers

Phew, and I thought you couldn't take a hint. :cheesygri

http://www.cybereef.com/CRITTERGRAMS/Images/upside-down-lovebird.jpg

[N_Raged]

Actually, the sats on the Z-5500 are "1-way" aren't they?
Yes the Logitech satellites themselves are only 1-way. By 2-way I was referring to the whole system (including sub) since most computer speakers act as a single unit despite being in separate cabinets.

All I see is a single midrange driver with a phase plug. Does the presence of the phase plug make it 2-way?
No, the phase plug only helps bring up the higher frequencies of that particular driver. It's still no replacement for a discrete tweeter.

[zzz3]

It might not matter to you but its important to me because this guy basically flipped me the bird by accusing me I don't know anything about speakers. I'll be the first one to admit I am wrong but only when I am which is not the case here. I can hear the subtleties and nuances in speakers. Actually I even go to future shop music department to test out their custom speakers energy, polk, infinity and they don't sound even as good as my logitechs.


LOL some energy/klipsch towers alone could reproduce the entire frequency of your system and in some cases rms without a sub. And i too would flip you the bird since its obvious you dont know what your talking about, just imagine for a second what a complete system could do in lieu of towers.

[talktwo]

It might not matter to you but its important to me because this guy basically flipped me the bird by accusing me I don't know anything about speakers. I'll be the first one to admit I am wrong but only when I am which is not the case here. I can hear the subtleties and nuances in speakers. Actually I even go to future shop music department to test out their custom speakers energy, polk, infinity and they don't sound even as good as my logitechs.

I just want closure and I will admit I am hard headed at times. I don't like it when someone thinks they know their stuff when its clearly the other way around.

Ok ... why don't we start there then ... prove to the RFD community you know what you're talking about. Specifically focusing on what makes a good speaker.

EDIT: begin by telling us what sound card you're using.

[euphoria24]

I'm totally jealous that this the biggest problem in your life today.

Can I be one of these people just for kicks? :twisted:

3-way Klipsch > 2-way Logitechs

Ok ... why don't we start there then ... prove to the RFD community you know what you're talking about. Specifically focusing on what makes a good speaker.

I love that guy!
He's such a good laugh when you need it:cheesygri:cheesygri:cheesygri:razz::razz::razz: :razz:

[Mysteek]

I've owned the Z-2300, Z-5500, Swan M10's, and they all FAIL in comparison to my...




Audioengine A2's.

=]

In the end its all a matter of opinion.

[konfusion666]

If I'm not mistaken, the Z-5500 has the crossover set to 120Hz or something. As a result even mid-bass (which is directional) gets piped to the sub. Pretty lame design decision IMO. 3121, it's okay if you don't know what I'm talking about. :lol:

[tkyoshi]

If I'm not mistaken, the Z-5500 has the crossover set to 120Hz or something. As a result even mid-bass (which is directional) gets piped to the sub. Pretty lame design decision IMO. 3121, it's okay if you don't know what I'm talking about. :lol:

It's probably worth a note that a lot of people are using poopy sound cards anyway. But yeah, at times it does feel like the set does overdo the bass at times.

For what the Z-5500 does though it definately has bang for the buck. I have mine hooked to 3 different sources (Computer, Satellite, and Cable Box), and with built in dolby/dts decoding. You'd be hard pressed to find a separate Receiver + Speakers that did all of that in the same price range.

[kin0kin]

Whatever the sub is crossed at, it's not crossed properly for a "sub". In my car setup, I have my sub crossed at 50hz, my mid bass crossed at 50-150hz, and my front components do everything else from there. With a sub crossed higher than 80hz, you're gonna get a lot of BOOM especially once the mid bass hits.

Unfortunately, pc speakers have gone down hill and only the crappy z5500 is left in the market. Should Klipsch actually try to fix the ultra 5.1 issues instead of discontinuing it, the Z5500 probably wouldn't have received the same reception as it would today.

[insomnioe]

..... I can hear the subtleties and nuances in speakers. Actually I even go to future shop music department to test out their custom speakers energy, polk, infinity and they don't sound even as good as my logitechs. ......

As for the TF2 comments you guys need to stop mocking me. I am a very skilled TF2 expert. Now that the Bow and Arrow update has just made the sniper totally dumb. I know it sounded like I was bragging but you can't argue with major pwnage. If u dont believe then lets 1vs1 I will domination any one here. I will even bet money on it we can set up Paypal to 3rd party neutral person.

Oh wow! Not only can his eyes see faster than most people for pinpoint sniping accuracy, but his ears are highly developed as well. This allows him to hear enemy spies sneaking up behind him!

Dood, we're not worthy. Your skillz are unmatched on RFD.

[flyz]

Dood, we're not worthy. Your skillz are unmatched on RFD.

+1
We must submit and bow down to his greatness in tf2.

[moneybags]

it looks like the logitechs are made of.... black and silver PLASTIC?! any audio guru worth their salt knows black and silver plastic enclosures inherently produce crap sound due to the very different resonant characteristics of the black plastic vs silver plastic. now if they were all black or all silver plastic, then it'd be okay, bu they're not. with this in mind, it is obvious and an actuality that the z5500's are not as good as the other guy's speakers. scientific fact. anyone who thinks otherwise is qualitatively wrong. no discussion. yes, i am a certified expert in this area.

[Mysteek]

I preferred Bose over Logitech to be honest, at least the Bose sounded fun for a while.. =[

[talktwo]

it looks like the logitechs are made of.... black and silver PLASTIC?! any audio guru worth their salt knows black and silver plastic enclosures inherently produce crap sound due to the very different resonant characteristics of the black plastic vs silver plastic. now if they were all black or all silver plastic, then it'd be okay, bu they're not. with this in mind, it is obvious and an actuality that the z5500's are not as good as the other guy's speakers. scientific fact. anyone who thinks otherwise is qualitatively wrong. no discussion. yes, i am a certified expert in this area.

You're wrong ... silver plastic is usually just paint over black plastic ... so all you'd have to do is rub off all the silver paint and your speakers will sound significantly better because they'll be all black now ... I can't believe being an expert you forgot this point ...

[moneybags]

You're wrong ... silver plastic is usually just paint over black plastic ... so all you'd have to do is rub off all the silver paint and your speakers will sound significantly better because they'll be all black now ... I can't believe being an expert you forgot this point ...
this can in fact actually be worse! here's why:

a properly engineered speaker takes the weight of the enclosure walls, the weight of the drivers, weight of the crossovers, and the weight of the binding posts and balances them depending on the type of sound the designer wants the speaker to reproduce. more weight on the outside of the enclosure typically produces a brighter sound, while more weight on the inside of the enclosure results in a warmer sound. the distribution of weight from top/bottom or front/back also changes the soundstage and imaging respectively. this is called the equinominality of the speaker. a whole field of research exists in this space (of which i am very involved and experienced) and proper balancing is very very sensitive. in fact, a change of a few nanograms manifests itself in HUGE sonic anomalies. i've heard this for myself many times.

so you see, by scraping off the silver paint, you're completely changing the sonic characteristics from crappy to even worse. this brings us back to the conclusion that the logitechs suck and the other guys speakers are significantly better.

[talktwo]

this can in fact actually be worse! here's why:

a properly engineered speaker takes the weight of the enclosure walls, the weight of the drivers, weight of the crossovers, and the weight of the binding posts and balances them depending on the type of sound the designer wants the speaker to reproduce. more weight on the outside of the enclosure typically produces a brighter sound, while more weight on the inside of the enclosure results in a warmer sound. the distribution of weight from top/bottom or front/back also changes the soundstage and imaging respectively. this is called the equinominality of the speaker. a whole field of research exists in this space (of which i am very involved and experienced) and proper balancing is very very sensitive. in fact, a change of a few nanograms manifests itself in HUGE sonic anomalies. i've heard this for myself many times.

so you see, by scraping off the silver paint, you're completely changing the sonic characteristics from crappy to even worse. this brings us back to the conclusion that the logitechs suck and the other guys speakers are significantly better.

LOL gg :lol:

[macuser]

this can in fact actually be worse! here's why:

a properly engineered speaker takes the weight of the enclosure walls, the weight of the drivers, weight of the crossovers, and the weight of the binding posts and balances them depending on the type of sound the designer wants the speaker to reproduce. more weight on the outside of the enclosure typically produces a brighter sound, while more weight on the inside of the enclosure results in a warmer sound. the distribution of weight from top/bottom or front/back also changes the soundstage and imaging respectively. this is called the equinominality of the speaker. a whole field of research exists in this space (of which i am very involved and experienced) and proper balancing is very very sensitive. in fact, a change of a few nanograms manifests itself in HUGE sonic anomalies. i've heard this for myself many times.

so you see, by scraping off the silver paint, you're completely changing the sonic characteristics from crappy to even worse. this brings us back to the conclusion that the logitechs suck and the other guys speakers are significantly better.

You're doing it wrong!
What enclosure colour does is it totally changes the tonal qualities of the sound. A black enclosure makes the sound totally dark and unnatural when used in conjunction with bright sounds, and silver alienates the midrange.
The most neutral sound is white, but what you really want is yellow. The sound of yellowed computer speakers are THE BEST. Brand doesn't matter, so long as they were originally white and turned yellow by years of abuse or exposure. So what you must do is
buy this:
http://ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=27152&vpn=31730615100&manufacture=GENIUS
spraypaint it white
then leave it in the sun for 20 years until it is completely yellowed.
And then it will be the richest sound that you will ever hear!
You will be able to hear every footstep and every gunshot in any game you play!

(N.B. For surround system, simply buy as many sets as you need!!)

[kay188]

Whatever the sub is crossed at, it's not crossed properly for a "sub". In my car setup, I have my sub crossed at 50hz, my mid bass crossed at 50-150hz, and my front components do everything else from there. With a sub crossed higher than 80hz, you're gonna get a lot of BOOM especially once the mid bass hits.

Unfortunately, pc speakers have gone down hill and only the crappy z5500 is left in the market. Should Klipsch actually try to fix the ultra 5.1 issues instead of discontinuing it, the Z5500 probably wouldn't have received the same reception as it would today.

The sub is crossed over at 120hz.`

[KorruptioN]

I don't like it when someone thinks they know their stuff when its clearly the other way around.

You've got to be kidding me.

[flyz]

Oh I'm loving this thread....

[attonbitusira]

3121983, you're a 8ULl5hI7 salesman with a mouthful of samples.

[SinCron]

I toyed with the idea of getting an 18" sub meant for outdoors music gigs but I thought that would be going a bit to far.