WARNING/SCAMMER: Galad

[HBP]

Bought COD5 from Galad (http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/member.php?u=28359) for the PS3, EMT, shipping only were his terms. It was the first game I bought, so I was rather eager to open it and start playing. Galad had 22 positive feedback (http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/member.php?u=28359).

This is how it came (looks good):

http://i597.photobucket.com/albums/tt59/HBParikh/IMG_2776.jpg

Seeing how he is a good member here, I just popped the disc in and have been playing it since. This is how it looked opened (notice the backwards manual--I didn't):

http://i597.photobucket.com/albums/tt59/HBParikh/IMG_2777.jpg

I PMed him a concern about the disc being scratched (he did not mention this in the description). He didn't reply. Since it didn't affect the gameplay, I decided to leave it at that, but did not leave a positive feedback. To me, that problem did not warrant a posting here, but later issues definitely do.

Anyway, I went to go trade in the game a few days ago, for the first time the manual was taken out and the cashier showed me it was a Little Big Planet manual instead (see below). It's clear Galad has done this on purpose and was trying to dupe me. The manual was inserted backwards, in hope I wouldn't check.

http://i597.photobucket.com/albums/tt59/HBParikh/IMG_2778.jpg

He won't reply to my PM's, told me to stop "being so childish". I have left him a negative feedback. The deal thread in question said the item was in pristine condition, and did not mention the missing manual (it has been edited out though).

I admit, I was hasty to not check the item thoroughly as soon as I got it. I assumed that a longstanding member + a guy with good feedback wouldn't try to pull a fast one. Anyway, just something to look out for in the future if you ever deal with this sucker.

HBP

Galad, if you read this, I hope you do the right thing.

[Donomight25]

Anyway, I went to go trade in the game a few days ago

The deal thread in question said the item was in pristine condition, and did not mention the missing manual (it has been edited out though).




How long between buying the game from the seller, and trading it in?
How much of a dollar difference between having/not having the manual?

[HBP]

How long between buying the game from the seller, and trading it in?
How much of a dollar difference between having/not having the manual?

3 months between. Quite long, but the intent to scam is what really matters.

Don't know the dollar difference, was just pissed at that point.

[Donomight25]

3 months between. Quite long, but the intent to scam is what really matters.

Don't know the dollar difference, was just pissed at that point.

So...in three months, you are the ONLY person to play, touch, put back, ect the game?

You don't ask the game store how much w/o the manual?

The difference is a few dollars, at best.

[HBP]

So...in three months, you are the ONLY person to play, touch, put back, ect the game?

You don't ask the game store how much w/o the manual?

The difference is a few dollars, at best.

The difference you're not recognizing is the dubious selling practices.

Yes, I only had played the one game up till now (was kept up with exams). Left it in my PS3 since there was never a need to switch. Kept the case to the side. I think my feedback speaks for itself though.

[mcg]

Damn, that sucks.

Looks like I am in the same boat.

I just bought a cable modem off a guy here on RFD and the power adapter is a Linksys one and doesn't fit in the socket of the modem. Didn't bother "plugging it into the modem on the spot" since I am overly trusting of others, and well, I assumed that it would have the default accessories and not random ones.

If a refund is refused looks like I'll be making a new thread in this forum once again.

[phomp]

I think that Galad deserves a Negative Feedback on the transaction and not much else can be done.

What is the resolution you are looking for? The game has now been played for a few months. The trade-in value is only a few dollars difference without the manual.

Galad should not have to take back the game at this point, because it has been played by you for several months.

What resolution would you be looking for? Or are you just warning others of Galad's actions (which would be fair, imo).

[HBP]

Well, I was hoping he would have said it was a mistake and given me the real manual. Instead, Galad has decided to not to reply to ANY of my PM queries, and isn't even replying in this thread. He has not even retaliated the negative feedback, he was planning to scam and probably expected it.

Just warning other people. Despite that, I feel the "playing" of the game for 3 months should have no bearing in this issue. Galad has the intent to scam other RFD users.

[Kommander_KornFlakes]

I don't know if including the wrong manual is an actual scam, hey at least he gave you the product.

[HBP]

I don't know if including the wrong manual is an actual scam, hey at least he gave you the product.

Bad trader, non-reflective of feedback is all that really matters, Kommander.

[phomp]

I don't know if including the wrong manual is an actual scam, hey at least he gave you the product.

Is this the quality of trading we should be expecting on RFD though?

I agree a manual and a minor scratch that did not affect game play is not a big deal, but with the non-response included.. the negative feedback in justified imo.

[Adams06]

When you read the description of what he was selling, did it say "game case + game + manual"?

Is it really a big deal though? Manuals are useful for a small page and a half backstory at best. Besides, from my experience if you went to EB Games they don't pay differently for used games if there's no manual. You could try selling it at a pawn shop though, I don't think they'd care much if there wasn't a manual.

[Donomight25]

The difference you're not recognizing is the dubious selling practices.

Yes, I only had played the one game up till now (was kept up with exams). Left it in my PS3 since there was never a need to switch. Kept the case to the side. I think my feedback speaks for itself though.


It's not the dubious selling practice.... it's the idiot buying the product and not checking that everything is there.

All these posts about some seller ect....only for you to turn around and sell the game 3months later.

You're an idiot. Gtfo and take your crying about 16 pages of manual elsewhere.

[HBP]

It's not the dubious selling practice.... it's the idiot buying the product and not checking that everything is there.

All these posts about some seller ect....only for you to turn around and sell the game 3months later.

You're an idiot. Gtfo and take your crying about 16 pages of manual elsewhere.

The item was shipped, no chance to check before buying (perhaps you missed that?). I admit I didn't check right away when received (something I would have done had it been a meet-up purchase), it was the first game I purchased and didn't think to check the manual (because like everyone says--it is practically unnecessary except for completeness). The fact remains the Galad knowingly shipped an incomplete item, and refuses to respond to any PMs or in this thread. Hence the warning and negative feedback.

Anyway, I have nothing more to say to you Newbie. Seems like actual RFD members side with me. I appreciate the attacks though, perhaps you know the seller?

[HBP]

When you read the description of what he was selling, did it say "game case + game + manual"?

Is it really a big deal though? Manuals are useful for a small page and a half backstory at best. Besides, from my experience if you went to EB Games they don't pay differently for used games if there's no manual. You could try selling it at a pawn shop though, I don't think they'd care much if there wasn't a manual.

It said "practically brand new"--or something along those lines. Regardless, a good seller would mention missing parts. I also asked him if everything was included in a PM, and he said yes.

It isn't really a big deal from the gaming aspect of the purchase. I don't like to get conned in any way though, so I'm just warning that this seller does indeed have dubious selling practices

[EdLeafs]

I would be happy if the game plays. Who cares about manuals....you can google for that. LOL.

[mcg]

It isn't really a big deal from the gaming aspect of the purchase. I don't like to get conned in any way though, so I'm just warning that this seller does indeed have dubious selling practices
^

[heymanwuzup]

i remember buying a pair of jordan on ebay. when i received it, there was no OG box. i later went back to check the thread, it did not say anything about coming with a box.

you know, a box is just a box, but it affects the entire product (and perhaps the sale as well.) Perhaps there should be a more strict rule on RFD about what's included and what's not when making a BST post.

I think the seller should be dealt with though. He could at least explain why it didnt come with a manual?

[Happy13178]

How long between buying the game from the seller, and trading it in?
How much of a dollar difference between having/not having the manual?

The difference could be in making or not making a sale. I don't buy games without manuals, even if I never even look at them. The game is either complete, or its not. If it's not, it should be mentioned that there's no manual so the buyer can decide if they want it with all the info at their disposal, rather than paying for it and finding out later.

[ReDmAn]

are you a woman? real men don't need manuals

[HBP]

Maybe red men.

I normally wouldn't consider buying a used game unless it had the manual.

The difference could be in making or not making a sale. I don't buy games without manuals, even if I never even look at them. The game is either complete, or its not. If it's not, it should be mentioned that there's no manual so the buyer can decide if they want it with all the info at their disposal, rather than paying for it and finding out later.

+1

[ubn123]

who reads game manuals loool

[Happy13178]

who reads game manuals loool

I don't, but I won't buy a game without one either. Hurts resale value, even by only a few dollars, and you never know if the next buyer is passing you by just because it doesn't have one.

[xGambitx]

all this cause of a manual?? wow dude get over it.

[hellzno]

all this cause of a manual?? wow dude get over it.

Its not the manual per se, its the principles of being LIED to by a shady seller.

Some of you guys are pretty slow.

[stradf]

Dude, the game is working, and who reads manuals anyway? Just download a pdf online!!!

Not a SCAM imo.

[Setz]

FYI: the trade-in-value difference for having or not having a manual is only 3$.

[HBP]

Meh, the money doesn't matter. Seller lied, and has not replied. I wouldn't deal with a seller like that.

[MoneyGetter]

Look at it this way. A Little Big Planet manuel is better than a COD WaW

[heymanwuzup]

i dont think the point of this thread is to warn the seller SCAMMED the OP, but rather the seller FAILED to inform (lied?) the manual situation. It doesnt matter how crappy the manual is or how much the difference it is for trade in, at the end of the day, the OP didnt get what he wanted and the deal wasnt all that successful...

if i bought a pair of shoes and the seller failed to tell me that it's missing the tissue inside, i'd be pissed to. and how much is the tissue worth? nothing? but i'd still be upset....its not whole!

[Setz]

Meh, the money doesn't matter. Seller lied, and has not replied. I wouldn't deal with a seller like that.

Did he mention in his listing that it was complete? I wouldn't respond either to a complaint like "The manual is wrong" if the item is below so much $$$. Don't mean to take the blame off of the seller, I just find it's ridiculous to complain about something so small.

[HBP]

Many users will gloss over buying a game without a manual. I don't read manuals. I have never read one. That's not the point...

IMO, having a game without a manual is a bigger deal than having other products without manuals.

[Setz]

Many users will gloss over buying a game without a manual. I don't read manuals. I have never read one. That's not the point...

IMO, having a game without a manual is a bigger deal than having other products without manuals.

Well, what do you expect him to do? Send you the manual? Again, you wanted to trade it in, and at EB the TIV difference is only a few bucks.

[HBP]

Well, what do you expect him to do? Send you the manual? Again, you wanted to trade it in, and at EB the TIV difference is only a few bucks.

Again, the money doesn't matter.

I expect him to reply.

[darkprince]

Stop pissing and whining already! Its just a stupid manual, who the hell reads the game-manual? You pop disc in and you figure the whole game out yourself.

Trade in value is like what 2$, difference? You can't even get on the damn TTC for 2$, just let it go. You had the product for several months and obviously had more then enough time to find out. He probably accidentally put in the wrong manual into the wrong case. And maybe the manual you want already got sold to someone else by accident.

[darkprince]

Again, the money doesn't matter.

I expect him to reply.

Did you just got laid off? Sounds like you have a lot time on your hands?

[HBP]

Did you just got laid off? Sounds like you have a lot time on your hands?

I guess, got laid off school recently :)

Clearly some people don't expect the level of trading I do. As a seller I go above and beyond to make sure my buyers are satisfied. Oh well.

[HBP]

Stop pissing and whining already! Its just a stupid manual, who the hell reads the game-manual? You pop disc in and you figure the whole game out yourself.

Trade in value is like what 2$, difference? You can't even get on the damn TTC for 2$, just let it go. You had the product for several months and obviously had more then enough time to find out. He probably accidentally put in the wrong manual into the wrong case. And maybe the manual you want already got sold to someone else by accident.

He was never selling LBP though. I guess it's hard for cheap-ass RFD'ers to understand, it's not about the ****ING money.

If he did indeed "probably" make a mistake, perhaps he should clear it up?

[Setz]

I guess, got laid off school recently :)

Clearly some people don't expect the level of trading I do. As a seller I go above and beyond to make sure my buyers are satisfied. Oh well.

I full well understand the principle of it all, but look at the facts:

- You were going to trade it in to EBG anyways.
- The difference in TIV is 3$. (37$ vs 40$)
- You enjoyed the game for for a while without problems.
- You want compensation/an answer after all this time.

I'm sorry, but if I was Galad I wouldn't respond either. I would understand if you noticed it right away, but we're talking months (?).

[darkprince]

Its not the manual per se, its the principles of being LIED to by a shady seller.

Some of you guys are pretty slow.

FOR F-ing sakes!? That line is so stupid and meaningless, I hear assh*les customers uses that line all the time... blah!

Me: "Well its policy, follow it or follow that big red sign that says "exit""

[bembol]

I full well understand the principle of it all, but look at the facts:

- You were going to trade it in to EBG anyways.
- The difference in TIV is 3$. (37$ vs 40$)
- You enjoyed the game for for a while without problems.
- You want compensation/an answer after all this time.

I'm sorry, but if I was Galad I wouldn't respond either. I would understand if you noticed it right away, but we're talking months (?).

+1 This is the problem though. I have to agree with Setz.

With that said, it was still dry move. Honestly, I wouldn't consider it if Galad posted the Manual is missing. I don't read Manuals, I'm just anal. LOL

EDIT: Galad, I guess could've just lied and said it was lost/mixed up in a trade and should have apologize.

[HBP]

I don't read manuals either. You guys really need to read.

[darkprince]

He was never selling LBP though. I guess it's hard for cheap-ass RFD'ers to understand, it's not about the ****ING money.

If he did indeed "probably" make a mistake, perhaps he should clear it up?

I full well understand the principle of it all, but look at the facts:

- You were going to trade it in to EBG anyways.
- The difference in TIV is 3$. (37$ vs 40$)
- You enjoyed the game for for a while without problems.
- You want compensation/an answer after all this time.

I'm sorry, but if I was Galad I wouldn't respond either. I would understand if you noticed it right away, but we're talking months (?).

So you want the guy to say "sorry" or what?


This is Clearly NOT a SCAM! OP is just having her period and is getting emotional after realizing several months later the game she purchased had wrong game manual and wants the SELLER to say "IamSorry". *sigh*

[Setz]

I don't read manuals either. You guys really need to read.

You make it sound like that helps your argument at all. If you don't real manuals anyways, why bother?

[HBP]

So you want the guy to say "sorry" or what?


This is Clearly NOT a SCAM! OP is just having her period and is getting emotional after realizing several months later the game she purchased had wrong game manual and wants the SELLER to say "IamSorry". *sigh*

Thread is a warning. I'd be interested to hear what Galad has to say though.

Then again, you're a CSR. CSR's are some of the dumbest people I have met.

[HBP]

You make it sound like that helps your argument at all. If you don't real manuals anyways, why bother?

Read the thread? Half the questions you're asking have already been addressed.

[HBP]

The difference could be in making or not making a sale. I don't buy games without manuals, even if I never even look at them. The game is either complete, or its not. If it's not, it should be mentioned that there's no manual so the buyer can decide if they want it with all the info at their disposal, rather than paying for it and finding out later.

I don't, but I won't buy a game without one either. Hurts resale value, even by only a few dollars, and you never know if the next buyer is passing you by just because it doesn't have one.

I'll re-quote these for you guys.

[Setz]

Read the thread? Half the questions you're asking have already been addressed.

What questions? Again, if you don't care about the manual, why bother? Don't say "principles" either, 'cuz that's just BS.

[HBP]

What questions? Again, if you don't care about the manual, why bother? Don't say "principles" either, 'cuz that's just BS.

Completeness. If you saw two same games same price, one with manual one without, which would you buy?

The main issue is not the missing manual, but how the seller dealt with the problem. Clearly you'll never see the difference. Maybe I shoulda kept that SOCOM manual just to spite you :)

[Setz]

Completeness. If you saw two same games same price, one with manual one without, which would you buy?

The main issue is not the missing manual, but how the seller dealt with the problem. Clearly you'll never see the difference. Maybe I shoulda kept that SOCOM manual just to spite you :)

Doesn't matter to me, I mean, who reads the manuals? :)

[darkprince]

Thread is a warning. I'd be interested to hear what Galad has to say though.

Then again, you're a CSR. CSR's are some of the dumbest people I have met.

"WARNING/SCAMMER?"

Lol

Not anymore, I am a Business Analyst, but I have met quite a bit of dumb customers (approx: 1000's); most of them can't/don't read or understand English. Example: "Batteries NOT Included", "Sale starts Saturday". NOT FRIDAY.

I suggested to my clients to make those fine prints bigger and dumb it down, so the CSR's can spend less time Reading/Telling you stories about how the policy works.

But that suggestion was thrown out b/c Dumb Customers like yourself will eventually come back and ask the CSR's to read/explain the big fine prints to you and its a waste of time/money to implement.

[Setz]

"WARNING/SCAMMER?"

Lol

Not anymore, I am a Business Analyst, but I have met quite a bit of dumb customers (approx: 1000's); most of them can't/don't read or understand English. Example: "Batteries NOT Included", "Sale starts Saturday". NOT FRIDAY.

I suggested to my clients to make those fine prints bigger and dumb it down, so the CSR's can spend less time Reading/Telling you stories about how the policy works.

But that suggestion was thrown out b/c Dumb Customers like yourself will eventually come back and ask the CSR's to read you the big fine prints and its a waste of time/money to implement.

Just a headsup, you're treading on thin ice, bro. Some of your comments could be seen as a personal attack.

[darkprince]

Just a headsup, you're treading on thin ice, bro. Some of your comments could be seen as a personal attack.

Sry, but she started it first. Most CSR's (approx. 90%) are not dumb, just the same crap/ppl they have to deal with they eventually stop caring. =)

[jli]

So you want the guy to say "sorry" or what?

This is Clearly NOT a SCAM! OP is just having her period and is getting emotional after realizing several months later the game she purchased had wrong game manual and wants the SELLER to say "IamSorry". *sigh*

for someone who's calling out the OP for being a lil b*tch who has too much time on his hands, you sure seem to have a lot of time to whine in this thread as well.

OP has every right to make this thread and make Galad's shady selling practices known to the rest of RFD. it's clear that Galad fully INTENDED to provide the wrong manual. for what reason? nobody knows because he refuses to reply to any of the allegations or concerns. that reason alone already shows what a bad seller he is, if not his true intentions in this situation after being called out for his scam.

the fact is, what Galad did was a b*tch move. if he didn't have the manual to begin with, he should have just stated so or let the buyer know beforehand. and if it WAS just an honest mistake like some of you like to think, then at the very least he should have replied to the OP's concerns and the matter could have been dealt with privately. exactly WHEN the OP realized the manual was missing is irrelevant (though i agree the game should have been looked over much earlier) - fact is it happened and then purposely ignored by Galad because he knew it was intentional. buying something incomplete and being aware of it is one thing, but for MANY people, an incomplete product, whether it be actual content or even packaging, is a deal breaker.

in the end, it's not about the manual. it's not about the money. it's about being purposely deceived and revealing Galad's shadiness to future potential buyers.

[HBP]

Quite funny how I got a retaliation negative feedback from Galad, without a single reply to my PM's, or a response in this thread.

Pathetic.

[Galad]

First you claim the disc was scratched, then months later you claim I sent the wrong manual. I dispute both claims. We sent PMs to each other, but it was clear this wasn't going to be resolved. So I've moved on. I suggest you do the same.

[HBP]

First you claim the disc was scratched, then months later you claim I sent the wrong manual. I dispute both claims. We sent PMs to each other, but it was clear this wasn't going to be resolved. So I've moved on. I suggest you do the same.

Perhaps you did it unintentionally, because I don't have, and never have had LBP.

[rdtx2002]

all this over a stupid manual?...

geez..

[p_y]

^ A manual is important to some people. Just because it has zero value to you doesn't mean it applies to others. As a game collector, I don't read the manuals at all, but if it's missing, I feel uber pissed and unsatisfied. I'd be pissed too, but I guess it is somewhat the OP's fault for not noticing. At least you're trading it in bro... I bet the store dude thought you were trying to pull a fast one too. :razz:

[heymanwuzup]

people...this thread isnt about a manual, its about how HBP doesnt feel like the deal was completely honest....

[1xTiMeR]

Just send the manual via mail. If you don't have it Galad, you're a con artist. This really does hurt your reputation Galad, you're not honesty about the product your providing and surely you should be beware of your sell tactics.

Overall, op didn't get scammed out of valued material, but hurt his trust in future sellers that may pull similar schemes. I'm sure that he just wants justice to be served and Galad is a bit hard headed to see he is at fault here... :evil:

Actus Reas... and Mens Reas... Look it up Galad, YOU ARE AT FAULT!

[HBP]

Thankfully some people can read :)

It's not about the manual, it's about how the situation was handled. Also, Galad is calling me a liar? Wow...

[jli]

First you claim the disc was scratched, then months later you claim I sent the wrong manual. I dispute both claims. We sent PMs to each other, but it was clear this wasn't going to be resolved. So I've moved on. I suggest you do the same.

ridiculous.

at least now everyone knows never to do business with him.

[Rubedizzle]

Hey HBP,

I am missing page 33 of my manual, would you mind scanning it in and sending it to me? K thx..


lol, j/k, Sorry this happened HBP, and appreciate you bringing this to everybodies attention.

[kingofwale]

my view on this is that the person probably misplaced it, instead of trying to scam you.

and the reason why he didn't reply is probably because he sold/trade in his LBP game with your game manual, and he is too afraid to reply to you because he thinks you might demand some kind of monetary compensation.


I think a public apology for the mess up would suffice.

but to tell the OP to "move on" is just immature on the part of the seller.

[Sniper001]

people...this thread isnt about a manual, its about how HBP doesnt feel like the deal was completely honest....
+1.
That's shady to include a LBP manual in a different case... Nobody reads manuals, but it's the fact that the seller put a different manual in the game (and than put it in backwards) with hope that the purchaser wouldn't notice that it's a different game manual. The seller should have stated that he had misplaced the manual (if in fact he did so) previous to the transaction. There's not much that can be done now - you made a topic and gave him negative feedback, so just leave it as that and lock the thread.

[HBP]

+1.
That's shady to include a LBP manual in a different case... Nobody reads manuals, but it's the fact that the seller put a different manual in the game (and than put it in backwards) with hope that the purchaser wouldn't notice that it's a different game manual. The seller should have stated that he had misplaced the manual (if in fact he did so) previous to the transaction. There's not much that can be done now - you made a topic and gave him negative feedback, so just leave it as that and lock the thread.

I suppose.

Very lame that I received a retaliatory feedback though. As a buyer, I have done nothing wrong. Instant EMT and calm quick communication.

[HBP]

my view on this is that the person probably misplaced it, instead of trying to scam you.

and the reason why he didn't reply is probably because he sold/trade in his LBP game with your game manual, and he is too afraid to reply to you because he thinks you might demand some kind of monetary compensation.


I think a public apology for the mess up would suffice.

but to tell the OP to "move on" is just immature on the part of the seller.

Perhaps, but the cover-up blaming me with false accusations is out of line. Not to mention his only response is this thread is quite late and pretty weak. The manual was put in backwards, knowing that most people don't read manuals. I'm sure he did it on purpose. Oh well, hopefully other RFDers can add him to their Do Not Trade lists.

[jackwest]

looks like a sloppy job on the packaging, something that is considered minor, since you were playing the game for three months without noticing it!

then if the buyer behaves in an annoying way, that would be enough to irk me off and decide not to play ball and apologize for the mistake

not the nicest transaction, but not scamming either...comeon people are dying out there

[HBP]

looks like a sloppy job on the packaging, something that is considered minor, since you were playing the game for three months without noticing it!

then if the buyer behaves in an annoying way, that would be enough to irk me off and decide not to play ball and apologize for the mistake

not the nicest transaction, but not scamming either...comeon people are dying out there

Perhaps you can clarify how I was being annoying?

[jackwest]

Perhaps you can clarify how I was being annoying?

i am speculating. if you were accusatory and insulting in your first contacts about this, its unlikely you would state that here.

[HBP]

i am speculating. if you were accusatory and insulting in your first contacts about this, its unlikely you would state that here.

Ah, well then, you're quite wrong. I've been nothing but civil. Not that it matters anymore since Galad is a dud.

[ajanthan2009]

Hmm.. I don't think you should have put negative feedback on his itrade page just because he misplaced the manual.. Should be neutral anyways. And I think him giving you a negative is incorrect. He has not mentioned any reasons. You should report this to a mod.

[madman604]

how do you misplace a manual and put the COVER ONLY on a completely different manual. then put that mess into a box and sell it to someone. to me that is deliberate deception. why put a manual at all? obviously to decieve the purchaser into thinkning the set was complete.

whether the buyer reads the manual at all or even needs it is irrelevant. nor is the value of the manual relevant.

the point is the seller was deceptive about / misrepresenting his item.

you can bet if he had put an extra game in there by mistake the seller would be the one crying foul.