Why don't they sell these here? (Toyota Yaris Diesel)

[Thrasher]

Just noticed you can get a Toyota Yairs with a 1.4 litre diesel engine in Europe which has a fuel economy of 5.1 l/100 km city and 3.6 l/100 km highway!!! Why don't they sell these here in North America?? That would be insanely cheap on gas....
Or you can get a cheaper 1.0 litre gas engine with fuel economy 6.0/4.5.
I wonder why carmakers force us to buy more powerful engines here even if I don't really want/need one...

http://www.toyota.de/cars/new_cars/yaris/specs.aspx
http://www.toyota.co.uk/cgi-bin/toyota/bv/generic_editorial.jsp?deepLink=YA4_Specification_n ew&nodiv=TRUE&fullwidth=TRUE&edname=specSheet_YA4&carModel=2009_Yaris&imgName=bv/CarChapter/YA4/Imagery/YA4_spec.jpg&zone=Zone%20NG%20Yaris&navRoot=toyota_1024_root

[Piro21]

Americans hate diesel, and have some phobia of small engines, and we suffer for it. They've made emissions regulations for diesels a lot tighter than European ones, as well, so companies have to work up all these elaborate systems of making their exhausts obsessively ultra-clean before they can get a car certified for sale in the US. The diesel we offer in Canada is also pretty expensive compared to gas, whereas in Europe it's actually relatively cheap. These all combine to stop a lot of diesels here.

Some companies see the demand and are bringing them over, though. BMW is bringing the 330d later this year and Honda is said to be bringing in their diesel Accord.

[ES_Revenge]

Because diesels stink, literally. That's why!

[ac328]

Did you notice the diesel option (1.4D) costs 1,600 pounds (about CAD$3,000) more for the same trim level? (From the Toyota UK site)

Takes a hell of a lot of fuel savings to overcome a $3,000 premium. Just wouldn't make sense in Canada for a budget car unless you drive mega KM.

[Rehan]

The diesel we offer in Canada is also pretty expensive compared to gas, whereas in Europe it's actually relatively cheap. No, diesel is cheaper in Canada.
http://www.flyingj.com/flyingjPortalWebProject/flyingjPortal.portal?_pageLabel=flyingjPortal_port al_page_60&_nfpb=true&_windowLabel=gasprices_1_1&gasprices_1_1_actionOverride=%252Fflyingj%252Fgas% 252FgasPricePageFlow%252FgetGasPricesByCountry&gasprices_1_1wlw-select_key%3A%7BactionForm.countryCode%7DOldValue= true&gasprices_1_1wlw-select_key%3A%7BactionForm.countryCode%7D=CAN

It's in the US that gas is cheaper than diesel.

[First.Dog]

I'm paying about 5 cents less (than gas) for diesel now and it no longer stinks at all.

It's a bit messier during fill-ups but I only have to fill-up every 800 kliks. And... it pumps quicker and I can fill up twice as quick in winter.

[new_vr]

Because diesels stink, literally. That's why!

I was behind a bluetec cummins, and I couldn't smell him at all.

Personally, I am waiting for a VW GTD

[Dina_E]

the big three and oil companies have powerful lobby groups that prevent us from owning these cars.

[notanexpert]

Why? Because we get the biggest engine available with the Yaris elsewhere (the 1.5 liter) and half the people still complain the Yaris is a gutless piece of junk! How would they feel about it with a 1.0 litre that has 30% fewer horses?
I'm not one to complain, had a rental Yaris in Panama with a 1.3 and felt it was perfectly adequate, when you needed extra power you just had to rev it out a bit more than the 1.5.

[Jon Lai]

Why? Because we get the biggest engine available with the Yaris elsewhere (the 1.5 liter) and half the people still complain the Yaris is a gutless piece of junk! How would they feel about it with a 1.0 litre that has 30% fewer horses?
I'm not one to complain, had a rental Yaris in Panama with a 1.3 and felt it was perfectly adequate, when you needed extra power you just had to rev it out a bit more than the 1.5.

+1

What's with Americans and thinking big=better?
And what's with Canadians thinking the same way as these aholes?

[ac328]

the big three and oil companies have powerful lobby groups that prevent us from owning these cars.

As I said above for a $13,600 budget car an expensive diesel engine makes little sense. Even if the premium for diesel engines over gas were as little as $1,000, who would pay that in a Yaris? And in the UK the premium is actually $3,000...

People shopping Yaris are people looking for a new car for least amount of $$$, my guess is very few people shopping in this size/price bracket are gonna pony up 1-3,000 for a diesel option.

We don't pay what Europeans pay for fuel (average diesel price in Germany for diesel is EUR 0.90 or CAD1.45), so diesel makes way less sense here.

[new_vr]

We don't pay what Europeans pay for fuel (average diesel price in Germany for diesel is EUR 0.90 or CAD1.45), so diesel makes way less sense here.
We were paying that much last summer...

[Thrasher]

I understand the premium for the diesel engine is substantial, but if automakers in Europe can get people buying diesels despite that premium, that would make even more sense here in Canada where the commute distances are greater than in Europe. Therefore it would mean your initial investment into the diesel engine would be returned sooner here (although still might take years).

Just look at Smart cars - they use diesel engines and they are a big hit here, the only downside is the rather steep price for such a small car.

But nevermind the diesels, I wuold gladly welcome smaller engines in compact cars, would even consider a 1.0 litre Yaris if it was $1-2K cheaper than the 1.6l model, considering the amount of gas you would save...

[spf1971]

Why? Because we get the biggest engine available with the Yaris elsewhere (the 1.5 liter) and half the people still complain the Yaris is a gutless piece of junk! How would they feel about it with a 1.0 litre that has 30% fewer horses?
I'm not one to complain, had a rental Yaris in Panama with a 1.3 and felt it was perfectly adequate, when you needed extra power you just had to rev it out a bit more than the 1.5.


That's one of the problems. There is a saying "People buy horsepower and drive torque".

Everyone wants the "500HP" but nobody reads that the 500HP is at 5000rpm. The engine speeds most people drive at are more concerned with torque rather than HP. A VW diesel with 90HP can take off quicker then a lot of other cars with more HP because it has higher torque and it can still cruise nicely on the highway.

[ac328]

I understand the premium for the diesel engine is substantial, but if automakers in Europe can get people buying diesels despite that premium, that would make even more sense here in Canada where the commute distances are greater than in Europe. Therefore it would mean your initial investment into the diesel engine would be returned sooner here (although still might take years).

Just look at Smart cars - they use diesel engines and they are a big hit here, the only downside is the rather steep price for such a small car.

But nevermind the diesels, I wuold gladly welcome smaller engines in compact cars, would even consider a 1.0 litre Yaris if it was $1-2K cheaper than the 1.6l model, considering the amount of gas you would save...

1) 10,000 smart car sales in 2.5 years on sale in Canada, while substantial, is not a "big hit" considering Honda sells over 72,000 Civics per year here and Mazda sells nearly 50,000 3 models.

http://www.newswire.ca/en/releases/archive/August2007/27/c2213.html

http://en.autos.sympatico.msn.ca/resources/article.aspx?cp-documentid=4676756


2) Current Smarts are no longer diesels, they now have gas engines (that require premium gas!).

Smarts aren't really a direct comparison anyway, if like many Canadians you have kids and shop at Costco/Superstore regularly, you ain't buying a Smart.

[GunnerX]

People who drive Smart cars use them to get to work and back. Then go home and park it in their garage. They then get ready for a night out and take their Escalade. :D

[B0000rt]

People who drive Smart cars use them to get to work and back. Then go home and park it in their garage. They then get ready for a night out and take their Escalade. :D

Nothin wrong with taking their Escalade if they're carrying 9 people around ;)

The miles per gallon per person are much better in a fully loaded Escalade than a fully loaded Smart ;)

[hotweiss]

... because big business owns the government. Plus, diesel engines are 33% more efficient than gas engines. Imagine the oil companies losing 33% of their demand.

[B0000rt]

... because big business owns the government. Plus, diesel engines are 33% more efficient than gas engines. Imagine the oil companies losing 33% of their demand.
I think it's bigger than that.

Refining a barrel of crude gives you a fixed amount of gasoline, and a fixed amount of Diesel. What happens when you disrupt the balance of diesel and gasoline between Europe and North America?

Imagine if everyone in North America started using Diesel. All the Diesel exports that go to Europe will stop flowing. All the gasoline imports into North America will stop flowing also. Gasoline supply will skyrocket as demand plummets, diesel supply will plummet as demand skyrockets.

What are people going to do with all this excess gasoline that is super cheap? Drive cars on gasoline. ha

[Thrasher]

... because big business owns the government. Plus, diesel engines are 33% more efficient than gas engines. Imagine the oil companies losing 33% of their demand.

Then why do they allow Hybrids on the market?

[Munford]

Just noticed you can get a Toyota Yairs with a 1.4 litre diesel engine in Europe which has a fuel economy of 5.1 l/100 km city and 3.6 l/100 km highway!!! Why don't they sell these here in North America?? That would be insanely cheap on gas....
Or you can get a cheaper 1.0 litre gas engine with fuel economy 6.0/4.5.
I wonder why carmakers force us to buy more powerful engines here even if I don't really want/need one...

http://www.toyota.de/cars/new_cars/yaris/specs.aspx
http://www.toyota.co.uk/cgi-bin/toyota/bv/generic_editorial.jsp?deepLink=YA4_Specification_n ew&nodiv=TRUE&fullwidth=TRUE&edname=specSheet_YA4&carModel=2009_Yaris&imgName=bv/CarChapter/YA4/Imagery/YA4_spec.jpg&zone=Zone%20NG%20Yaris&navRoot=toyota_1024_root


Actually, it would be insanly cheap on diesel :lol:

[Thrasher]

Nothin wrong with taking their Escalade if they're carrying 9 people around ;)

The miles per gallon per person are much better in a fully loaded Escalade than a fully loaded Smart ;)

Have you ever seen an Escalade with more than 2 people in it? :cheesygri

[Thrasher]

Actually, it would be insanly cheap on diesel :lol:

Yeah.
At 3.6 l / 100 km a trip from Calgary to Toronto would cost you like $78. :razz:

[notanexpert]

I think it's bigger than that.

Refining a barrel of crude gives you a fixed amount of gasoline, and a fixed amount of Diesel. ...

Not entirely true. That is what hydrocracking is for, allows you to make more shorter hydrocarbons (gasoline).

[morglum82]

Just noticed you can get a Toyota Yairs with a 1.4 litre diesel engine in Europe which has a fuel economy of 5.1 l/100 km city and 3.6 l/100 km highway!!! Why don't they sell these here in North America?? That would be insanely cheap on gas....
Or you can get a cheaper 1.0 litre gas engine with fuel economy 6.0/4.5.
I wonder why carmakers force us to buy more powerful engines here even if I don't really want/need one...

http://www.toyota.de/cars/new_cars/yaris/specs.aspx
http://www.toyota.co.uk/cgi-bin/toyota/bv/generic_editorial.jsp?deepLink=YA4_Specification_n ew&nodiv=TRUE&fullwidth=TRUE&edname=specSheet_YA4&carModel=2009_Yaris&imgName=bv/CarChapter/YA4/Imagery/YA4_spec.jpg&zone=Zone%20NG%20Yaris&navRoot=toyota_1024_root

My personal record with my '98 toyota tercel with 350 000 km's on it:
710 km on 1 tank (40L) with 4 persons in it. We had to slow down to 100 km/h to achieve that.. but still..

That's 5.6 L/100km ... . 1.4 L / 100km/person :)

At 120km I get about 600-620 km out of a tank of gas

What drives me crazy is that according to this site (http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/sbs.htm) I can't expect anything better when I'll finally change my ca even with 10 years of technology.

[ES_Revenge]

I was behind a bluetec cummins, and I couldn't smell him at all.

There's a difference between driving behind one and not smelling anything and standing around it when it's idling. Benz Bluetec, BMW 335d (w/urea injection), etc. even these "new diesels" still stink up the place. I hate diesel :mad:

[gordholio]

The Yaris looks like a bug!

[Rehan]

There's a difference between driving behind one and not smelling anything and standing around it when it's idling. Benz Bluetec, BMW 335d (w/urea injection), etc. even these "new diesels" still stink up the place. I hate diesel :mad: What is it that you're smelling? Diesel sold at the pumps in Canada now has lower sulfur levels than gasoline...

[ES_Revenge]

What is it that you're smelling? Diesel sold at the pumps in Canada now has lower sulfur levels than gasoline...
Though I'm not sure if I believe the latter part of that, what I'm smelling is what I said--the stink of diesel! LOL. Seriously I can go and start one up right now, stand behind it, and smell the stink. I probably still won't be able to tell you what it is other than telling you "it's diesel", and I'll be right disgusted at the unpleasant nature of that task anyway so I think I'll opt out of doing that until the next time I have to :lol:

[Rehan]

Though I'm not sure if I believe the latter part of that Then educate yourself. ;)

[notanexpert]

Though I'm not sure if I believe the latter part of that, what I'm smelling is what I said--the stink of diesel! LOL. Seriously I can go and start one up right now, stand behind it, and smell the stink. ...

You make it sound like a cold-started gasoline engine emits some kind of perfume out the exhaust...:rolleyes:

[ES_Revenge]

You make it sound like a cold-started gasoline engine emits some kind of perfume out the exhaust...:rolleyes:
Well duh, every car emits something you shouldn't exactly inhale, from the tailpipes.

The difference is that gasoline cars are easily tolerable and barely noticeable. Diesel cars stink, on the other hand. But this is like the 10th time I've said that so I guess if you haven't gotten it yet, there's no point in bolding it. Put it this way if I wanted to kill myself by inhaling automobile exhaust I'd have absolutely no problems doing it with a gasoline car. I'd just inhale the fumes, fall asleep and die. If I tried it with a diesel car it would be a totally unsucessful suicide. I'd be gagging and coughing and throwing up way before I'd be able to die.

Diesel cars should be banned IMO. Can you imagine what the outdoors would smell like if everyone were driving one? UGH. It's bad enough that commercial trucks have to use it and bad enough that there are some diesel cars on the road. We certainly don't need anymore of these stink masters running about.

[seftonm]

Diesel cars should be banned IMO. Can you imagine what the outdoors would smell like if everyone were driving one? UGH. It's bad enough that commercial trucks have to use it and bad enough that there are some diesel cars on the road. We certainly don't need anymore of these stink masters running about.
It would smell more like a large European city, which I found smelled better than Toronto.

[new_vr]

It would smell more like a large European city, which I found smelled better than Toronto.

Is that why Amsterdam smells like that?

[Contele]

North America is full of idiots. The big companies make money with gasoline. The consumtion for diesel pickup is anot available.

The most reliable are diesel engine. They can go over 1 milion mile if maintained well.

[Jungle]

I love deisel. My 2000 jetta was getting 1000k per tank, a/c on driving at 130.
Lots of torque too, good for passing on highway, WAY better than a civic.

[loybond]

Diesels suck. Engine clatter = sucks. Smell and smoke = sucks. Don't claim that the best ones don't have this, they all do at some point. And doesn't diesel start to freeze at -15 c?

[loybond]

North America is full of idiots. The big companies make money with gasoline. The consumtion for diesel pickup is anot available.

The most reliable are diesel engine. They can go over 1 milion mile if maintained well.

Right, and Europe is better off with their small houses, small cars, small roads and constant bickering between neighbours? Or is the racism, discrimination, unemployment rates, lower non-adjusted income, lower standard of housing you're fond of? There's a reason everyone wants to migrate to the US and Canada.

[new_vr]

Diesels suck. Engine clatter = sucks. Smell and smoke = sucks. Don't claim that the best ones don't have this, they all do at some point. And doesn't diesel start to freeze at -15 c?
What makes clatter suck? I could say the sound of a small 4 cylinder gas engine sucs..
And diesel does gel if it gets cold, but winterized diesel is fine

[loybond]

What makes clatter suck? I could say the sound of a small 4 cylinder gas engine sucs..
And diesel does gel if it gets cold, but winterized diesel is fine

I think the sound of 4 cylinder engines suck too, but a diesel 4 sucks more. Come on man, who likes clatter? It's always one of the issues they're trying to tackle with diesel engines.

[notanexpert]

Right, and Europe is better off with their small houses, small cars, small roads and constant bickering between neighbours? Or is the racism, discrimination, unemployment rates, lower non-adjusted income, lower standard of housing you're fond of? There's a reason everyone wants to migrate to the US and Canada.

I bet I could find at least a couple of hundred million people in Europe who would not move to North America if you begged them to. And probably the same vice-versa. There's a reason why they live where they do and why we live where we do! That does not mean that everyone thinks everything is better where they live.

I knew a couple of families from Germany and Belgium that lived here for a few years because they were working in Toronto on contracts. All of them could not wait to get back home, that's how much they loved this country with its big cars and big homes... Let me enlighten you: big cars and big homes is not all there is to life.

[mohitk]

Diesels are much more fuel efficient. Diesels have much higher torque and hence are generally more drivable in city.

e.g. Hyundai Petrol and diesel engine comparison:

Model Designation----------2.4 VTVT----2.0 CRDi VGT
Fuel system----------------MPFI--------CRDi
Displacement (cc)----------2359--------1991
Max. Horsepower (ps/rpm)--175/6000----150/3850
Max. Torque (kg m/rpm)-----23.8/4000--32.1/2000

Look at the torgue numbers and the RPM.

[new_vr]

I think the sound of 4 cylinder engines suck too, but a diesel 4 sucks more. Come on man, who likes clatter? It's always one of the issues they're trying to tackle with diesel engines.

I really didn't have an issue with the clatter. The only time you notice it is at idle. Still, I don't find anything offensive about it, it's just something different then what you are used to.

[Jon Lai]

Well duh, every car emits something you shouldn't exactly inhale, from the tailpipes.

The difference is that gasoline cars are easily tolerable and barely noticeable. Diesel cars stink, on the other hand. But this is like the 10th time I've said that so I guess if you haven't gotten it yet, there's no point in bolding it. Put it this way if I wanted to kill myself by inhaling automobile exhaust I'd have absolutely no problems doing it with a gasoline car. I'd just inhale the fumes, fall asleep and die. If I tried it with a diesel car it would be a totally unsucessful suicide. I'd be gagging and coughing and throwing up way before I'd be able to die.

Diesel cars should be banned IMO. Can you imagine what the outdoors would smell like if everyone were driving one? UGH. It's bad enough that commercial trucks have to use it and bad enough that there are some diesel cars on the road. We certainly don't need anymore of these stink masters running about.

You sound stubborn and arrogant. So basically, you think Diesel stinks because you're used to smelling gasoline, but not Diesel.

Get a life.

[loybond]

Yup, I know, I just responded that way because that guy's post was offensive to all of us as Canadians. There's so much we have here, and he's calling us idiots. I've spent years backpacking Asia and Europe, so I'm well aware of the advantages and pitfalls. Overall, honestly, my opinion is that North America is by far the best place to live. Most people wouldn't leave home because it's home to them; whether it's better or not is a secondary issue. I think Canadians need to be more patriotic. I bet I could find at least a couple of hundred million people in Europe who would not move to North America if you begged them to. And probably the same vice-versa. There's a reason why they live where they do and why we live where we do! That does not mean that everyone thinks everything is better where they live.

I knew a couple of families from Germany and Belgium that lived here for a few years because they were working in Toronto on contracts. All of them could not wait to get back home, that's how much they loved this country with its big cars and big homes... Let me enlighten you: big cars and big homes is not all there is to life.

[loybond]

I really didn't have an issue with the clatter. The only time you notice it is at idle. Still, I don't find anything offensive about it, it's just something different then what you are used to.

It's cool that you can look past that, unfortunately, most people can't - I read some poll in Motor Trend to that effect once. It was one of the most disliked issues about diesels, reminded people of trucks or something. Diesels are more fuel-efficient, and torquey (torque is everything), but they usually have low redlines and are slow to rev as well.

The CCX's powerplant is the real future of automobile propulsion IMO. Anyone see that island that Honda has? Tom of 5th Gear went there... the island is completely self-sustained and has no bad emissions at all. I think they do fuel cell research there. It was practically out of a Bond movie.

[new_vr]

The CCX's powerplant is the real future of automobile propulsion IMO. Anyone see that island that Honda has? Tom of 5th Gear went there... the island is completely self-sustained and has no bad emissions at all. I think they do fuel cell research there. It was practically out of a Bond movie.

The CCX as in the koenigsegg??
Or the FCX from Honda. If it's the FCX, I think it's the way to go as well. There's an interesting article in off topic about Ontario generating too much electricty already. It would be awesome if it were being converted to hydrogen

[Tolo]

Did you notice the diesel option (1.4D) costs 1,600 pounds (about CAD$3,000) more for the same trim level? (From the Toyota UK site)

Takes a hell of a lot of fuel savings to overcome a $3,000 premium. Just wouldn't make sense in Canada for a budget car unless you drive mega KM.

And let's look at this realistically:

T Spirit 5-door hatchback Toyota Optimal Drive 1.33 VVT-i 101 DIN hp 6 M/M 120 g/km B £35 £10,675.95 £1,601.39 £12,277.34 £12,935.00

pound 12,935 = 23,015.90 CDN (on the road)

Toyota Canada:
5-Door RS
Manual Transmission $18,920
Automatic Transmission $20,270 + tax + ship + fees + bendover charge = easily more than $23K


Now I see the top end diesel option is just over 500pounds more than the non-diesel...

You can not say 1600 pounds/euro/whatever = straight conversion....why - because i can guarantee you that the same job in Canada making 60G's here makes 30G's in Europe.......

TOPS if they would charge $1000-1200 more for a diesel here you'd make that back in 1-1.5 years max in gas. Over the lifetime of a car you'd make it back x6 easy.....it's all about big oil co's.....

[ac328]

And let's look at this realistically:

T Spirit 5-door hatchback Toyota Optimal Drive 1.33 VVT-i 101 DIN hp 6 M/M 120 g/km B £35 £10,675.95 £1,601.39 £12,277.34 £12,935.00

pound 12,935 = 23,015.90 CDN (on the road)

Toyota Canada:
5-Door RS
Manual Transmission $18,920
Automatic Transmission $20,270 + tax + ship + fees + bendover charge = easily more than $23K


Now I see the top end diesel option is just over 500pounds more than the non-diesel...

You can not say 1600 pounds/euro/whatever = straight conversion....why - because i can guarantee you that the same job in Canada making 60G's here makes 30G's in Europe.......

TOPS if they would charge $1000-1200 more for a diesel here you'd make that back in 1-1.5 years max in gas. Over the lifetime of a car you'd make it back x6 easy.....it's all about big oil co's.....

Where do you get 500 pounds? I am looking at Toyota UK build Yaris screen now:

T-Spirit 1.3 MANUAL = 12,385
T-Spirit 1.4 D-4D MANUAL = 13,435

Difference = 1,050, or CAD$1,865

Plus official UK combined MPG = 68.9 MPG (imperial gallons) for 1.4D, and 55 for 1.3 gas, or 5.1 L/100km vs 4.1 L/100km

Based on average of 20,000 km a year and Calgary price of 77.9/litre for gas, and 71.9/litre for diesel, and you get:

$1,019/year for gas 1.3 Yaris
$819/year for diesel 1.4 Yaris

Diesel saves you $200 a year for 20,000km mixed driving. Break-even = 9.3 years.

Now, who is being unrealistic?

As I said before, a diesel Yaris does not makes sense in Canada. Even if you drove 40,000km a year, your break-even would be more than 4 years.

[UrbanPoet]

Then educate yourself. ;)

Im starting to think that Es_revenge hates every car thats not sporty or luxury. or a combo of both.

[Tolo]

Again you're quoting EU model vs EU model. We want to compare EU (D) vs NA (gas).

EU (D) = 4.1 L/100KM - combined
NA (G)= 6.3 L/100KM - combined

at 20,000KM =

EU = 820L x 71.9c = $589.58
NA = 1260L x 77.9c = $981

That's nearly 400 per year. Once again you can not do straight currency conversion as I HIGHLY doubt a diesel option would be more than a $1200 option. So $1200 / $400 = 3 years tops.

Now let's not even get into biodiesel....

Where do you get 500 pounds? I am looking at Toyota UK build Yaris screen now:

T-Spirit 1.3 MANUAL = 12,385
T-Spirit 1.4 D-4D MANUAL = 13,435

Difference = 1,050, or CAD$1,865

Plus official UK combined MPG = 68.9 MPG (imperial gallons) for 1.4D, and 55 for 1.3 gas, or 5.1 L/100km vs 4.1 L/100km

Based on average of 20,000 km a year and Calgary price of 77.9/litre for gas, and 71.9/litre for diesel, and you get:

$1,019/year for gas 1.3 Yaris
$819/year for diesel 1.4 Yaris

Diesel saves you $200 a year for 20,000km mixed driving. Break-even = 9.3 years.

Now, who is being unrealistic?

As I said before, a diesel Yaris does not makes sense in Canada. Even if you drove 40,000km a year, your break-even would be more than 4 years.