Just came back from the Casino

[SwiZz]

It's 5:10am, just got back with a few buddies from the Blue Heron Casino (in Port Perry), about a 40 - 50 minute drive or so North-east of Toronto for those of you who don't know.

He went on a crazy streak in blackjack, just couldn't lose....he bought in for $180 at a $25 blackjack table (and this was with a continuous shuffle machine btw, which made it even more incredible). This is what he cashed out with (sorry for crappy cellphone pic):

http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/3847/alcindor.jpg

He had some really miraculous pulls......splitting 8's against a 10, winning both, lots of 18's against a 10, and then dealer would flip over a 7. He was pulling 21's with 4-5 hits. Just really exciting to watch, drew a nice crowd too, everyone really got into it.

Oh man....gambling is really bad.....I've been through some rough times with it.....but there's such a great rush while you play. And each time seems to create a story you will almost never forget (good or bad). I'm not trying to advocate the youngsters to play....you really shouldn't gamble what you can't afford.

Yeah this post really has no point to it.....i'm just still excited. Feel free to describe any other gambling related stories.....its always fun to read.

[Bskll]

www.get-a-blog.com

[sheilab]

Did you know that Canadaian VLTs + Slot Machines take in more money than all gambling in Las Vegas?

Lotteries are a tax on stupidity.

[Canuck32]

Did you know that Canadaian VLTs + Slot Machines take in more money than all gambling in Las Vegas?

Lotteries are a tax on stupidity.

I'd like to see a reference for this.

[monty613]

Did you know that Canadaian VLTs + Slot Machines take in more money than all gambling in Las Vegas?


That is incredibly hard to believe...

[kleptodathief]

1800$? shudda went to the NO limit tables! :idea: "ALL IN"!

[cheeseshredder]

Lotteries are a tax on stupidity.

Anyone else ridiculously tired of this line?

[Eyies]

I love the casino and blackjack.

Never won more than $1000 on a $200 buy in though.

[brunes]

That is incredibly hard to believe...

It's not that unbelievable... remember Vegas is just one city, and he is comparing to an entire country.

Vegas i snot even the top gambling capital in the world now, that honor has passed to Macau, which is making way, way more money now.

[sw1ft]

Meh. A few years back, I cashed out @ $4,000USD with a $50 buy-in (online). You win some; you lose some.

[Kommander_KornFlakes]

Did you know that Canadaian VLTs + Slot Machines take in more money than all gambling in Las Vegas?

Lotteries are a tax on stupidity.

Bullcrap.

[IceQue]

I love the casino and blackjack.

Never won more than $1000 on a $200 buy in though.

Pretty good pull you got there! Most I ever won was $1400 on a 100 buy in at the CNE casino, over the course of the week at the CNE I pulled in over $500 a night on 100 buy in.

[time space]

Wonder why no one ever seems to post a thread about their losing trips to the casino?


(It's hard to find a -15% return on your investment (http://www.geocities.com/ontarioslots/) anywhere else these days, what with the stock market running at -35% or worse.)

[YYZFA]

Wonder why no one ever seems to post a thread about their losing trips to the casino?


(It's hard to find a -15% return on your investment (http://www.geocities.com/ontarioslots/) anywhere else these days, what with the stock market running at -35% or worse.)

That site is so sensational that it is impossible to take seriously. It's like reading an article from the National Enquirer or listening to "Fair and Balanced" news from the Fox network.

[almostfreeman]

You were on a roll why did you stop?

[SwiZz]

Meh. A few years back, I cashed out @ $4,000USD with a $50 buy-in (online). You win some; you lose some.

What game were you playing? I'm guessing blackjack or some other sort of online table game?

And yes, you definitely win some and lose some......

I love the casino and blackjack.

Never won more than $1000 on a $200 buy in though.

Same. Most I've ever won with a $200 bankroll was another $200 and I stopped. I try to play in small spurts now and quit when im at a decent amount up. Because I've learned from the past that greed can easily screw you over.

Definitely love the casino and blackjack too. Hoping to try playing some craps on our vegas trip in July. Craps always seems like a very social game.

Wonder why no one ever seems to post a thread about their losing trips to the casino?


(It's hard to find a -15% return on your investment (http://www.geocities.com/ontarioslots/) anywhere else these days, what with the stock market running at -35% or worse.)

of course no one posts their losing stories, cause its so depressing lol.........again, gambling shouldn't be looked at as a way to MAKE money unless you are like a professional gambler........gambling is a form of entertainment for some. You should only gamble with money you can afford to lose. If you win, congratulations, and if you lose........well you already should know theres a chance of you paying that much for the entertainment value of playing in the first place.

Of course its a negative investment.....but again, gamblign shouldn't be looked at as a way to make money......its a form of entertainment.

You were on a roll why did you stop?

It wasnt me, it was my friend, and he had won like 18 hands in a row or so......i told him to quit when he lost one......he lost......played another......won.....and then lost two other hands in a row, so he quit while he was ahead.

Hardest part of gambling is being able to walk away from the table when you are up, instead of pushing for more, or when you're down, and trying to "chase" to win all your money back. Just need to know when to quit.

[andrew2good4u]

Say no to gambling

[tonychau]

seeing the pictures and OP encouragement, I really want to go Casino today.

I really want to gamble with my EI money.
Say no to gambling

[IceQue]

seeing the pictures and OP encouragement, I really want to go Casino today.

I really want to gamble with my EI money.

LOL gambling with your EI money. I hope that was a joke.:D

[belowzeros]

Did you know that Canadaian VLTs + Slot Machines take in more money than all gambling in Las Vegas?

Lotteries are a tax on stupidity.


I call bullcrap.


OP I had a run like that once in Mandalay Bay or Venetian or some such can't remember where. I think I bought in for about 500 on a $50 table and left with just over 10,000...was lots of fun. I did something similar at Sahara maybe $200 on a $5 table and walked away with $4000 but that took all night into the wee hours and we were plenty hammered lol. Course I lost all of it over the next couple days >.>

[SwiZz]

seeing the pictures and OP encouragement, I really want to go Casino today.

I really want to gamble with my EI money.

Do it! Do it!

Gambling in a recession is the ultimate way to show you are a baller :cheesygri

[pablonutribar]

Lotteries are a tax on greed and stupidity.

That seems a little better. If you want to indulge your greed and stupidity though, go right ahead.

[mgronqui]

I gotta get back to the casino. I recall pulling that amount at NL 2/5 in just 45 mins at Fallsview.

[Mattones]

I always play the slots.

Best I have won was $700 at a $5 slot. last time was $200 at a 25 cent slot at fallsview. Most i have lost was $100 thats my limit.

I guy I work with won almost $400,000 just before Christmas. Mind you he gambled a fair bit. Also was $20k in the hole with payments and all sorts of stuff. I bet he drank 5k of that money away at a bar already.

[iplom]

I had a nice hit at Casino Rama, the second day they were open - that was quite some time ago.

Was playing Blackjack for $20 a hand and dealers were brutally slow shuffling so I took $30 over to roulette and put $15 on 0 and $15 on 00 and the 0 hit, so I put $50 on the same two numbers and the zero hit again!

I told the dealers there was a $100 tip if they could hit it again and put $100 on both 0 & 00 and the 0 hit for a third straight time! I was up over $5G's in 5 minutes waiting for the blackjack dealer to shuffle (new casino, new dealers = slow)

My next wager was $200 on 0 & 00 and the ball looked like it was in the 00 and then bounced out and the run was over, but what a nice run!

I haven't had anything remotely close to that in years, but I only visit the Casino about 6 times a year.

[7Stryder7]

let's hear about people who lost a lot in the casino

[bobbings]

let's hear about people who lost a lot in the casino

I lost about 20 dollars at the tables once. Is that considered a lot? I think so. :twisted:

[YoungDr3amer]

A visit to the casino will always be a loss, period.

[rems]

You were on a roll why did you stop?

That's how you lose your winnings...
Knowing when to stop is how to beat the casino...

[SwiZz]

let's hear about people who lost a lot in the casino

I was playing online blackjack on partypoker, and was up $800 USD, and then proceeded to lose it all + an additional $600 USD, all in a span of like 40 minutes during my second year university class

=(

Understandably, i felt pretty sick afterwards.

[ullyeus]

I think gambling is quite sad :(

[Eyies]

let's hear about people who lost a lot in the casino

Lost $1000 on blackjack -- by no means a large amount compared to a lot of people. Accepted that by gambling I was risking money that I was okay to lose. Moved on.

I see gambling as a fine source of entertainment and trying your luck. It's gamblers who see it as a way to make money, or are gambling money they can't afford to that give it a bad name..

[YoungDr3amer]

I think gambling is quite sad :(

Having lived near Niagara Falls at one point, I remember taking a visit to the newly built Fallsville Casino, and felt extremely uncomfortable.

As I looked around every angle, people seemed to be like mindless zombies where they've lost all purpose and forced upon a chair and eyes glued to the slot machines. And that awful smell of cigrettes, the fumes are intoxicating.

My very first and last visit for sure!

[cdnNick]

seeing the pictures and OP encouragement, I really want to go Casino today.

I really want to gamble with my EI money.

Busiest day at the Windsor casino is the day EI cheques arrive.

The best ROI I have seen was my wife last year, she found 5 cents and turned it into $25 at the slots not big money but damn good return. lol

We don't gamble much.

[DGTD]

gambling = entertainment

Any expectation that you can sustain your winnings = idiot.

[whampoa]

A visit to the casino will always be a loss, period.

No kidding, that's how they stay in business. The house always wins.

"There's a sucker born every minute" -- P.T. Barnum (1810 – 1891)

[Dealz-4-U]

In the casino all i play is poker because its against other players and not the house. Anything else like slots, blackjack, and roulette, i just feel sorry for those sitting there losing over and over again.

[ullyeus]

In the casino all i play is poker because its against other players and not the house. Anything else like slots, blackjack, and roulette, i just feel sorry for those sitting there losing over and over again.

I dunno...I play poker but do it at house games were my primary motivation is to have fun...not sure why you'd want to do it at a casino with a bunch of jerks...

[Dealz-4-U]

I dunno...I play poker but do it at house games were my primary motivation is to have fun...not sure why you'd want to do it at a casino with a bunch of jerks...
because its like free money from some ppl who dont care that just go to have fun :lol:
And plus i take the game pretty seriously as do some of my friends who come with (been playing for around 4 yrs with alot of success online) so im gaining lots of experience live.

[mpc2323]

gambling = entertainment

Any expectation that you can sustain your winnings = idiot.
If u want to make money without paying 5% casino edge then play online poker

[angekfire]

I've been to a casino maybe 5 times in my life. All of which were people's birthdays (One was mine, my parent's idea since I just turned legal age). My parents & grandparents gave me $80 to gamble with. I wanted to keep it and spend it on something else, but they insisted I gamble it. So I did, and I lost it all, big surprise. I much would have rather spent that money. I spent $20 one other time I think. Every other time, I just went for the buffet, and then wandered around until everyone else was done.

I personally don't like gambling. I have a choice: spend the money I earned, or 99% chance I lose it for a 1% chance to win come out ahead. I'd rather take the 100% chance of getting to spend my money than the 1% chance of getting more.

My grandmother won a car from the casino once, and took the cash instead and had enough to go on a tour of europe. Of course, over the course of her lifetime she wasted way more than she won. She would come back from the casino and be like "Hey, I just win $1000!" what she failed to mention was the $3000 she spent that day to win the $1000.

[rems]

well if you don't know what you're doing then it's probably best to stay away. I find blackjack is a good game to start off with in the Casinos. People at the table will usually help you if you don't know what to do (like stay on 13 if dealer is showing a 6). Knowing the strategies and when to leave gives you the best chances of walking away on top - that's what I do.

[Psubs]

When I was in my early 20's I used to go Casino Niagara when it opened and would play blackjack and always make money (except once, lost like $100). I would only play like the $10 tables. It would take me like 3 hours but I'd make around $100-$150 profit. So mind-numbing and your legs get numb. Ughhhh.

Then Texas Hold 'em exploded and played with friends and didn't really care for blackjack much at all anymore. In 2006, I went to Greece and the cruise ship had blackjack only, and thought "what the heck". I have never had a lucky streak like this. I turned like $60 Euro into $350 Euro. I even got the moxy to bet $20 Euro a hand for a little while. I bought drinks for everyone during dinner but a couple of days later, crashed a Vespa and had to pay $220 Euro in damages. :cry:

Since then only played blackjack twice in Vegas and lost around $100 total. Hate playing BJ with stupid people. Played in 2 day tournaments for Texas Hold 'em and couldn't crack the top half of the entrants. I play in a house-game bi-weekly for $20 buy-in and you can keep re-buying in and we settle up at the end of the night. This I find more fun than Casino gambling.

[Psubs]

well if you don't know what you're doing then it's probably best to stay away. I find blackjack is a good game to start off with in the Casinos. People at the table will usually help you if you don't know what to do (like stay on 13 if dealer is showing a 6). Knowing the strategies and when to leave gives you the best chances of walking away on top - that's what I do.

It sucks @ss when they don't listen to you. :mad: In Vegas, there was 2 of us and 2 other people. We check through but the last guy has like 12 with the dealer having a 6 and he hits and gets a facecard. While the dealer hit and got a 4. FUGG ME!!!!!!

[slowtyper]

I dunno...I play poker but do it at house games were my primary motivation is to have fun...not sure why you'd want to do it at a casino with a bunch of jerks...

I used to play a lot of poker at casinos. There are tons of jerks but that just makes it feel better when you take their money. A casino is a depressing place to be though when you are there often. You see some sad desparate people and then you realize that you are there to take THEIR money.

[Spidey]

Did you know that Canadaian VLTs + Slot Machines take in more money than all gambling in Las Vegas?

Lotteries are a tax on stupidity.

Show me proof, otherwise its just hearsay and rumours

[Psubs]

I'm going to stop for a day in Monaco in June. I should probably just play a hand of something to say that I gambled in Monaco. :lol:

[nano]

out of all the Ontario Casino's..... i like Port Perry the most.... i guess its because its always been a spontaneous decision to go.. i use to go quite often but i haven't been in a few months (i think one of my girlfriends have a gambling problem). i have 4X4 because whenever there is a snow day i always drive up there. fyi.... never play the slots they only take your money black jack or roulette

[sprung]

It sucks @ss when they don't listen to you. :mad: In Vegas, there was 2 of us and 2 other people. We check through but the last guy has like 12 with the dealer having a 6 and he hits and gets a facecard. While the dealer hit and got a 4. FUGG ME!!!!!!

Such a common misconception, do you also keep track of when their 'bad' plays help you?

Blackjack Myth #5 (http://www.blackjackhero.com/blackjack/myths/): Bad players can affect your game

While nothing would be better than to blame other players for getting a bad hand in blackjack, realistically it will not affect your long term play. Yes, a bad play by another player can alter a couple of possible hands but only in the short term. One of the basic rules of being successful at blackjack is to think long term.

[Firebot]

It sucks @ss when they don't listen to you. :mad: In Vegas, there was 2 of us and 2 other people. We check through but the last guy has like 12 with the dealer having a 6 and he hits and gets a facecard. While the dealer hit and got a 4. FUGG ME!!!!!!

I bet you bring scorecards to the roulette tables too:lol:?

Fact, regardless of the fact that the BJ cards are sequential, they are still in a random order. Maybe had you not hit the hand before when you had 9 you would have had 21 this time. BlackJack is the closest thing in a casino to a break even game other then poker obv, but other players have no true impact. If you think they do then you need to stay away from blackjack.

[rems]

I bet you bring scorecards to the roulette tables too:lol:?

Fact, regardless of the fact that the BJ cards are sequential, they are still in a random order. Maybe had you not hit the hand before when you had 9 you would have had 21 this time. BlackJack is the closest thing in a casino to a break even game other then poker obv, but other players have no true impact. If you think they do then you need to stay away from blackjack.

it's about odds...if the count is high (or low depending on how you count), then why "risk" it by hitting and getting a face card?

[Error916]

In the casino all i play is poker because its against other players and not the house. Anything else like slots, blackjack, and roulette, i just feel sorry for those sitting there losing over and over again.

not unless your card counting for blackjack. In which case you can shift the odds in favor to you by approximately 1%

Question to those who recently been in Casinos and has played blackjack, do they still have a discard pile? Or is every hand re-shuffled through machines?

[Firebot]

it's about odds...if the count is high (or low depending on how you count), then why "risk" it by hitting and getting a face card?

You seriously overestimate the value of card counting (even if you were doing it accurately). It doesnt work like the movie 21 would lead you to believe, casinos have changed a lot since the days when it was possible. You will get about a 1% odd increase and by the time you work it right, you'd be kicked out of the casino already.

If you were card counting, you wouldn't be thinking about someone hitting on 12 anyways and 'blowing' it for the rest of you.

[Firebot]

not unless your card counting for blackjack. In which case you can shift the odds in favor to you by approximately 1%

Question to those who recently been in Casinos and has played blackjack, do they still have a discard pile? Or is every hand re-shuffled through machines?

They have a discard pile, and reshuffle with about 1/3 of the cards remaining in the pile.

[Dealz-4-U]

not unless your card counting for blackjack. In which case you can shift the odds in favor to you by approximately 1%

Big woop :lol:

A 1% edge shouldnt entice someone to gamble... I would say in poker if you are anywhere near competent and study the game, your edge can be much much more...

[brunes]

I bet you bring scorecards to the roulette tables too:lol:?

Fact, regardless of the fact that the BJ cards are sequential, they are still in a random order. Maybe had you not hit the hand before when you had 9 you would have had 21 this time. BlackJack is the closest thing in a casino to a break even game other then poker obv, but other players have no true impact. If you think they do then you need to stay away from blackjack.
This is not really true..

If you are not adept at counting cards, then the pass / don't pass line in craps (combined with your odds) has better odds than blackjack - much better odds if they are using more than one deck. In fact the pass line with your odds is the only even-money bet in the entire casino.

On top of that it is the funnest game in the house :)

[EchoAngel911]

lost 100 dollars in 4 minutes in las vegas

[nsX-]

the best game to play ODD wise would be Baccarat.

[brunes]

the best game to play ODD wise would be Baccarat.

Actually no, the casino still maintains a tiny house edge in Baccarat because of the commission.

The only even money bet in an average NA casino, is the odds bet on craps.

[DirtyDave]

how did u get away with taking a pic of these chips. i thoguht camera's are prohibitted in casinos?

[slowtyper]

how did u get away with taking a pic of these chips. i thoguht camera's are prohibitted in casinos?

Just because you're not allowed to take a pic doesn't mean its hard to do. Speeding is prohibited too, do you see a speeding car and go "how did you get away with that"?

[sleepyguy]

I'm not much of a casino guy... probably stepped into a casino maybe 10 times in my life. I've had some serious "degen" moments online though that I'd really not to repeat :) Pretty massive cash swings.

That being said I'm actively working on my NL and PLO game and seriously building a roll online in the future. I'll probably deposit a few K to start off. -sg

[rems]

You seriously overestimate the value of card counting (even if you were doing it accurately). It doesnt work like the movie 21 would lead you to believe, casinos have changed a lot since the days when it was possible. You will get about a 1% odd increase and by the time you work it right, you'd be kicked out of the casino already.

If you were card counting, you wouldn't be thinking about someone hitting on 12 anyways and 'blowing' it for the rest of you.

I know it doesn't guarantee winning...it just gives you a better chance at it. i was just giving an example of a strategy. I mean even if you weren't counting, it'd be dumb to hit on 13 if the dealer is showing a 6.

[slowtyper]

I know it doesn't guarantee winning...it just gives you a better chance at it. i was just giving an example of a strategy. I mean even if you weren't counting, it'd be dumb to hit on 13 if the dealer is showing a 6.

Actually his point was that other players actions have no affect on your odds. The guy next to you could double down on 20 each time and it doesn't affect your odds. You replied to that with what seemed like a different topic.

[rems]

Actually his point was that other players actions have no affect on your odds. The guy next to you could double down on 20 each time and it doesn't affect your odds. You replied to that with what seemed like a different topic.

I replied as to when I mentioned the count being high and staying on 13 when dealer shows a 6. He just commented on one part of my response. All I'm saying is that was just an example of a strategy when playing Blackjack.

Well others actions do have an effect on my odds.
Just use 1 deck as an example.
2 players and the dealer.
Player 1: 8 & 5 = 13
Player 2: 9 & 4 = 13
Dealer: ? & 6

there are 16 10's in a deck
If one of the players hits and gets a 10, that reduces the odds that the dealer will get a 10 - and subsequently my odds of winning (by the dealer busting) Get it?

yes in reality the deck is randomized. but the odds are affected with each player's actions.

[Barayolayosa]

1800$? shudda went to the NO limit tables! :idea: "ALL IN"!

Mathematics FTL

[overboard]

you should share some of that

this past new years, i was up $80 then i left after being down almost $300 :mad:

and yes it wont happen again - thank God for new years resolutions

[pintobean]

...People at the table will usually help you if you don't know what to do (like stay on 13 if dealer is showing a 6)...

It sucks @ss when they don't listen to you. :mad: In Vegas, there was 2 of us and 2 other people. We check through but the last guy has like 12 with the dealer having a 6 and he hits and gets a facecard. While the dealer hit and got a 4. FUGG ME!!!!!!
I'm not a gambler at all, so I may be missing something here...but if the guy with the 12 had listened to you and had not taken a card, then the face card he got would have actually gone to the dealer who had a 6. That would have given the dealer 16, which would have forced him to hit. And since you said that the next card was a 4, then the dealer would have ended up with 20, and would have probably won anyways.

Am I correct here, or am I missing something?

[slowtyper]

Well others actions do have an effect on my odds.
Just use 1 deck as an example.
2 players and the dealer.
Player 1: 8 & 5 = 13
Player 2: 9 & 4 = 13
Dealer: ? & 6

there are 16 10's in a deck
If one of the players hits and gets a 10, that reduces the odds that the dealer will get a 10 - and subsequently my odds of winning (by the dealer busting) Get it?

yes in reality the deck is randomized. but the odds are affected with each player's actions.

And if that player hits a 4 instead of a 10 then he increases your odds. Another players action will equally help or hurt your odds in the short term and in the long term does not affect you. Of course AFTER you see the card fall, you can say it hurt you or it helped you, but if you stop at the moment before the other player makes his decision and calculate your odds, whether he does or does not hit makes no difference.

[rems]

I'm not a gambler at all, so I may be missing something here...but if the guy with the 12 had listened to you and had not taken a card, then the face card he got would have actually gone to the dealer who had a 6. That would have given the dealer 16, which would have forced him to hit. And since you said that the next card was a 4, then the dealer would have ended up with 20, and would have probably won anyways.

Am I correct here, or am I missing something?

Well the dealer already has a card face down. And from his story, it was a 10. so the dealer already had 16. A 10 would have busted him

[rems]

And if that player hits a 4 instead of a 10 then he increases your odds. Another players action will equally help or hurt your odds in the short term and in the long term does not affect you. Of course AFTER you see the card fall, you can say it hurt you or it helped you, but if you stop at the moment before the other player makes his decision and calculate your odds, whether he does or does not hit makes no difference.

there are less face cards than their are "other" cards. 10s are the most important cards in blackjack. The effect of a 4 is less than that of a 10. The point of not hitting when the dealer shows a 6 is so you don't take away any of those 10s.

[slowtyper]

there are less face cards than their are "other" cards. 10s are the most important cards in blackjack. The effect of a 4 is less than that of a 10. The point of not hitting when the dealer shows a 6 is so you don't take away any of those 10s.

Wow, you really don't get it do you....

First of all, the "little" cards are important, you want them GONE. A lot of "little" cards means the deck is favored towards the dealer. A lot of 10's left in the deck is good for the player. Both are significant.

Why are you talking about the point of not hitting when the dealer shows a 6? I know why and so do most people. What we are talking about is the effect of the guy at the table who insists on hitting against the dealers 6. His play does not affect your odds of winning that hand. You can be sitting at a table with 5 idiots who will always hit against the dealers 6 and your ODDS of winning each hand are exactly the same as if you sat at a table with everybody playing perfect basic strategy.

[rems]

Wow, you really don't get it do you....

First of all, the "little" cards are important, you want them GONE. A lot of "little" cards means the deck is favored towards the dealer. A lot of 10's left in the deck is good for the player. Both are significant.

Why are you talking about the point of not hitting when the dealer shows a 6? I know why and so do most people. What we are talking about is the effect of the guy at the table who insists on hitting against the dealers 6. His play does not affect your odds of winning that hand. You can be sitting at a table with 5 idiots who will always hit against the dealers 6 and your ODDS of winning each hand are exactly the same as if you sat at a table with everybody playing perfect basic strategy.

Im just saying the focus are the 10s. That's on a clean slate. (maybe I should have phrased it differently). Cuz those are the cards you want. But if the dealer is showing a 6 then 6-10 values (i think this is where my brain stopped explaining what I was thinking and went to blackjack mode...when i said 10's to me those were values that would bust the dealer which included 6-9) become important and the rest become "other" cards. And obviously you're more likely to get those "important" cards if you hit and hence lessening the chances of the dealer busting.

yes in the long run it's a simple random walk.

[SwiZz]

Wow, you really don't get it do you....

First of all, the "little" cards are important, you want them GONE. A lot of "little" cards means the deck is favored towards the dealer. A lot of 10's left in the deck is good for the player. Both are significant.

Why are you talking about the point of not hitting when the dealer shows a 6? I know why and so do most people. What we are talking about is the effect of the guy at the table who insists on hitting against the dealers 6. His play does not affect your odds of winning that hand. You can be sitting at a table with 5 idiots who will always hit against the dealers 6 and your ODDS of winning each hand are exactly the same as if you sat at a table with everybody playing perfect basic strategy.

+1

ppl get mad at "dumb" blackjack players for not following basic strategy and it ends up costing them........but never really acknowledge the times the "dumb" moves end up helping them.

to be honest though, i just dont like it when ppl dont follow basic strategy. to me, its happened so often enough that once ppl do stupid "improper" moves, it ends up screwing up the rest of the deck.

Again, thats just a feeling......some sort of table karma if you will........i usually get up and switch tables if people aren't following basic strategy....but like the above person said, it really doesn't effect your chances.

[Eyies]

I prefer people at my table playing basic strategy playing lower stakes, at higher stakes I don't really care too much (kinda reverse of what you'd think.. but I think it's true for most people).

What's ridiculous and makes me go CRAZY is when people split 10s and win both hands! I just laugh at the lunacy of it -- and that it worked out.

[sleepyguy]

Not as bad as splitting 5s ;)

I prefer people at my table playing basic strategy playing lower stakes, at higher stakes I don't really care too much (kinda reverse of what you'd think.. but I think it's true for most people).

What's ridiculous and makes me go CRAZY is when people split 10s and win both hands! I just laugh at the lunacy of it -- and that it worked out.

[slowtyper]

pffft, i've doubled on hard 20 before. I would have tried to double down on blackjack but it didn't come up. Not sure if they would let you do that or not.

[Firebot]

I replied as to when I mentioned the count being high and staying on 13 when dealer shows a 6. He just commented on one part of my response. All I'm saying is that was just an example of a strategy when playing Blackjack.

Well others actions do have an effect on my odds.
Just use 1 deck as an example.
2 players and the dealer.
Player 1: 8 & 5 = 13
Player 2: 9 & 4 = 13
Dealer: ? & 6

there are 16 10's in a deck
If one of the players hits and gets a 10, that reduces the odds that the dealer will get a 10 - and subsequently my odds of winning (by the dealer busting) Get it?

yes in reality the deck is randomized. but the odds are affected with each player's actions.

Casinos don't use 1 deck. Casinos usually uses 8 decks and stops by the time the stack of cards is down to about 1/3.

8 decks = 416 possible cards, or 160 'high' cards. Even if half the stack of deck is gone (let's say 80 high cards are gone for simplicity), the dealer has a likely chance to bust, but the one card which the player hit on with 13 (if he hits a high card) reduces the amount of high cards from 80 to 79. The odds of the dealer hitting a high card goes from 80/208 (38.46%) to 79/207 (38.16%). How the hell does that affect anything, or 'blows it' for the rest of the players?

That's why a single player action makes no effect at all in the game, and how even card counting has a ridiculously low bonus in a casino blackjack game. It's simply an illusion that a single player affects blackjack strategy, the same illusion used by morons who think that keeping a scorecard in roulette helps them find some super secret 'roulette money making strategy'.

[goJays]

why would u split 8s with dealer showing 10? but ya that was amazing! the ppl that lost on your table must be pissed at your draws lol jk

[SwiZz]

why would u split 8s with dealer showing 10? but ya that was amazing! the ppl that lost on your table must be pissed at your draws lol jk

The recommended strategy is to ALWAYS split 8s against the dealer's card, regardless of what it is.

The idea is that, together, you'd have 16, which is a sh*tty hand, but by splitting them, you might get a 10, to make 18.......and yes if the dealer ends up having 20 you are screwed x2........but its still the recommended play.

Check out this link:
http://wizardofodds.com/blackjack

[playanav]

splitting 8's against a 10 = stupid and reckless

[sleepyguy]

in an 6-8 deck what is the 'real' edge in simple counting. ie +1 -1 etc etc. Isn't it something like 1%? Man that is razor thin if so.

Poker is probably the only game where you can find really large edges at the right time... usually late on friday nights where workers come and blow the paychecks. -sg