Problem with $450 ticket last week loblaws

[Corrolla265]

hello everyone,

I parked my car in loblaws in toronto the other day in the handicap spot for 2 miniutes to load my grocceries in the vehicle, once I came out i noticed a ticket for guess how much.... $450, i went to their customer service desk and they told me it would be the city that issues the ticket and not them... anyways I am absoloutly broke and I have no clue how iam going to pay $450.00, if anyone knows of a way to help me please let me know.

what I know so far,

I can go to court and a new fine might be set if i explain my situation on that day. is it possible to appeal the judges decison? for example the judge says i will have to pay 300 instead of 450.. can I appeal this and go for a second trial to further explain my action or is it a done deal.

any help is appreciated,

I am new to this site and I have been driving for 10 year without a single ticket of any kind. this is my first and hopefully last (knock on wood)

[pupazzo]

Lol what a noob. Quit crying you deserved it hahaha

[HBP]

Ask someone to break your legs. If you were just loading groceries, then there's no way you would have gotten a ticket (not that this condones parking in the handicap spot anyway).

[NotMoneyGuy]

I think the "problem" would be for the handicapped person looking for a parking spot and finding none. Cough it up and don't do it again.

[boyoflondon]

If you `just parked it for 2mins to load groceries` you would have seen the guy give the ticket, no? Or did you perhaps park it there longer ;)

[blexann]

hello everyone,

I parked my car in loblaws in toronto the other day in the handicap spot for 2 miniutes to load my grocceries in the vehicle, once I came out i noticed a ticket for guess how much.... $450, i went to their customer service desk and they told me it would be the city that issues the ticket and not them... anyways I am absoloutly broke and I have no clue how iam going to pay $450.00, if anyone knows of a way to help me please let me know.

what I know so far,

I can go to court and a new fine might be set if i explain my situation on that day. is it possible to appeal the judges decison? for example the judge says i will have to pay 300 instead of 450.. can I appeal this and go for a second trial to further explain my action or is it a done deal.

any help is appreciated,

I am new to this site and I have been driving for 10 year without a single ticket of any kind. this is my first and hopefully last (knock on wood)

you DESERVE the ticket

[originalnutta]

parked my car in loblaws in toronto the other day in the handicap spot


You deserve that ticket. Suck it up.


if you are broke, maybe you shouldnt be taking such risks.

[yao416]

no idea why you would park in a handicap spot, oh wait

[glacierice]

Wow, people can be pretty harsh. If I was you I'd take to court. You should be able to sue for the anguish this has caused you.

I'd tell the judge you probably just took the spot from some jackass with a handicap sign that they got from their elderly parent.

[Frankie3s]

Honestly and not trying to be funny the only way that I can see around this is to say that you were handicapped by not being able to read. Other than that I'd say your goose is cooked.

[Rehan]

I parked my car in loblaws in toronto the other day in the handicap spot for 2 miniutes to load my grocceries in the vehicle, once I came out i noticed a ticket :confused: "came out"? Weren't you already outside if you were just loading groceries into the car?

[woobie]

OK I'll ask the obvious questions....

1)Did you park in a Handicap spot?
2)Do you have a handicap parking permit?

If the answer to the first is Yes and the second question is No I would think they answer to your problem is quite obvious. Pay the damn ticket that you deservedly were given.

[bembol]

Lesson learned. Go to court and see if they will lower the fine.

[AudiDude]

I don't see why you should get any reduction in the ticket amount. You parked in a handicap spot. There is no reason why it is "OK" for you to do so unless you are handicapped. Also parking in front of any store in a fire route is not acceptable before you try that. Turning on your four way flashers while committing an offence is not "OK" either. You will have to pony up the cash, or place the amount on your credit card. From now on, you should walk to your car parked in the parking lot. The rest of us do it without harm.

[nx2k]

Just fight it dude
You'll win 100%
it's a toronto ticket but the issuing officer is probably some security guard who works for loblaws, you think he's gonna show up?
easiest excuse is, you found the ticket on the floor beside your car, it wasn't on your windshield. nobody will be there to defend against this.

[barold]

I would take the reactions of most of the people on this thread as a good indication of the general public's opinion - don't do the crime if you can't pay the fine.

[bnammo]

Please accept full responsibility for the ticket.

We can't always win in life.

Regards,

[nanook60]

Responsibility is conformity - Stick it to the Man! :D

[Corrolla265]

some very harsh comments here,

this is exactly what happend, i told my daughter who is 8 by the way to wait near the door with the grocerries so I can pull up the car to the front, our car was way back and I dont think my 8 year old child can push 2 full carts all the way to the back of the lot, also there is bars that restrain you from taking the carts at all. when I came back and parked the car in the handi cap spot my daughter was inside fooling around with the vending machines, I than purchased some ice, this all took no more than 2-3 minuites tops, I came out and saw there was a ticket and it was mine cause there was obvioisly my licence number on that ticket. anyways whats done is done, now my question as i asked before, instead of bashing people like 5 year olds why dont you give some positive feedback.
and the reason i do not want to pay the ticket is due to the fact that councillors in city hall can sit on their fat ass and have citizens like us pay for their vications, and aspirin pills. you all know what I am talking about and how corrupt most of them are so please dont tell me to pay a 450 dollar ticket so some person can go to a 5 store hotel in shanghai

Can I appeal the judges decison?

[Piro21]

To answer your question, no, you probably can't. A ticket for parking in a handicapped spot is a pretty binary situation, you're either guilty or not. There really isn't much grey area. Since you admitted you parked in the spot you'll have to pay it, personal feelings about city council aside.

[IceQue]

parked my car in loblaws in toronto the other day in the handicap spot


You deserve that ticket. Suck it up.


if you are broke, maybe you shouldnt be taking such risks.

+1 I'm all for taking tickets to court and fighting them (speeding, parking tickets, etc) but you parked in a handicap spot..You definitely deserved that ticket.

[iluvmikeharris]

First of all, I say always fight a ticket, even if what you did was pretty low.

However, if you are broke why are you spending money on ice - to make rum and cokes? And why would you knock someone up if you have no money, do you expect taxpayers to pay for your daughter's education too?

[googoo]

Why should you deserve ANY positive feedback??

You 5 year old will remember that you parked in that spot, so you are teaching your kid a VERY bad thing.

And there is NO "problem" with the $450 ticket, parking in a handicapped spot is about the WORST thing you can do. We have veterans(among many others) that use these spots, you know the ones that went to war so YOU can enjoy this beautiful country.

Pay the ticket, and act for like somebody with a conscience!

Brent

[liorsyncro]

hello everyone,

I parked my car in loblaws in toronto the other day in the handicap spot for 2 miniutes to load my grocceries in the vehicle, once I came out i noticed a ticket for guess how much.... $450, i went to their customer service desk and they told me it would be the city that issues the ticket and not them... anyways I am absoloutly broke and I have no clue how iam going to pay $450.00, if anyone knows of a way to help me please let me know.

what I know so far,

I can go to court and a new fine might be set if i explain my situation on that day. is it possible to appeal the judges decison? for example the judge says i will have to pay 300 instead of 450.. can I appeal this and go for a second trial to further explain my action or is it a done deal.

any help is appreciated,

I am new to this site and I have been driving for 10 year without a single ticket of any kind. this is my first and hopefully last (knock on wood)
A parking ticket is a municipal issue, so you'll have to go to where it says on the ticket. Call the number to set up an appointment to dispute the ticket. At first you won't be going in front of a judge but some schmuck at the enforcement office. They'll typically reduce the fine for you, especially if it's your first ticket, and if the reduced amount is too much for you to pay, you can make payment in installments. I don't think they'll even charge you interest to pay in installments.

Bottom line is you screwed up. Act nicely when you deal with them and they'll work with you. If you're not happy with the settlement they've offered you, the case will go to trial. If the ticket was issued in Toronto you may get lucky because they have a really big back log. I'm not so sure in other municipalities. The court option may prove more expensive. If the case gets to trial and you lose, you'll have to pay court costs too.

[GoiNGPoSTaL]

Which Loblaws doesn't allow you to take a shopping cart within the parking lot?

Too bad stupidity isn't a handyicap, eh?

[Rehan]

If you go fight your ticket, don't make two of the mistakes you made here:

1) Claiming all you did was loading your groceries when in reality you went to buy something too.

2) Claiming there are no other options. If "there is bars that restrain you from taking the carts at all", then there must be some sort of loading area. And if carts can be taken out then all you had to do it take one cart by yourself while your daughter watched the other one, and then come back to get her and the second cart. Parking illegally was not your only option.

If you make your case in the same way you did in your first post, it will make you look disingenuous and probably hurt your chance of getting leniency.

Which Loblaws location was it, by the way?

[pupazzo]

Just because you drive a corrolla it doesn't give you the right to run roughshod over parking rules lol

[Whitedart]

I can go to court and a new fine might be set if i explain my situation on that day. is it possible to appeal the judges decison? for example the judge says i will have to pay 300 instead of 450.. can I appeal this and go for a second trial to further explain my action or is it a done deal.


If Toronto has first attendance meetings with the prosecutor for parking offences, you can possibly have it reduced from $450.

In some specific circumstances, a Justice's decision can be appealed by the defendant or the prosecutor, where the Justice made an error or an error in law occurred. There are also costs involved for an appeal, for transcripts, legal repsesentaiton, etc. But that does not always turn out well, as I have seen penalties increased on appeal.

And for your other comments about Council, they set the penalty high enough to act as a deterrent to drivers abusing disabled parking, but it still gets abused, and some drivers get caught.

[Jucius Maximus]

You deserved that one.

Actually, getting out of City of Toronto parking tickets is pretty easy and has been discussed extensively on this board, but I won't post any info on it because you really did deserve this one. :|

[Avatar]

You parked on a handicap spot and got a ticket. You should've considered yourself lucky. Because you can be ticketed AND towed if you left it there long enough.

I'd seen ppl parked on handicap spot without plate at private mall/plaza many times even spots particularly for cars with infants. They are for the convenience of others who really need them and not for the selfish kind.

I don't know what kind of advice you are looking for in here besides fighting the ticket. Another choice is move out to a country where ppl only care about themselves. Then you don't have to pay the ticket.

[The_Deck]

You know everyone is always in a rush. Basically if you dont have $$$ and you drive, you dont park where it says NO PARKING, you dont SPEED, and you DONT park in a handicap zone for any reason. I feel sorry you had to pay that, but there is no excuse for parking in a handicap zone what so ever!!! It is clearly marked on the road that it is a handicap zone! You were too lazy to bring your groceries to your car. So all you can do is hope that you have a sincere judge. HOWEVER, your completely at fault and i hope you take this as a learning experience. Get some common sense! That is why we have traffic laws and you knowingly broke one. Sorry better think twice next time and dont be lazy!

[nanook60]

now my question as i asked before, instead of bashing people like 5 year olds why dont you give some positive feedback.

You did nothing wrong.
You are a good person.
You can do whatever you like - rules are for other people.
The posters here are immature because they don't understand.

There now, do you feel better about yourself.

[Tender]

Life is balanced. You gain some, you lose some, and vice versa.

You can fight and get your fine reduced (I agree with liorsyncro).

Or you can pay your ticket, and tell you daughter that you made a mistake and you're correting it. For your daughter, this lesson is worth much more than the $450.

[Nikita]

Just fight it dude
You'll win 100%
it's a toronto ticket but the issuing officer is probably some security guard who works for loblaws, you think he's gonna show up?
easiest excuse is, you found the ticket on the floor beside your car, it wasn't on your windshield. nobody will be there to defend against this.

You are joking right?

some very harsh comments here,

this is exactly what happend, i told my daughter who is 8 by the way to wait near the door with the grocerries so I can pull up the car to the front, our car was way back and I dont think my 8 year old child can push 2 full carts all the way to the back of the lot, also there is bars that restrain you from taking the carts at all. when I came back and parked the car in the handi cap spot my daughter was inside fooling around with the vending machines, I than purchased some ice, this all took no more than 2-3 minuites tops, I came out and saw there was a ticket and it was mine cause there was obvioisly my licence number on that ticket. anyways whats done is done, now my question as i asked before, instead of bashing people like 5 year olds why dont you give some positive feedback.
and the reason i do not want to pay the ticket is due to the fact that councillors in city hall can sit on their fat ass and have citizens like us pay for their vications, and aspirin pills. you all know what I am talking about and how corrupt most of them are so please dont tell me to pay a 450 dollar ticket so some person can go to a 5 store hotel in shanghai

Can I appeal the judges decison?

As to 'exactly what happened', thousands of people do it all the time, every day of the week. We all have to find a way to get our groceries to the car. Cry me a freakin' river dude. Even my handicapped mother when she can't get a handicapped parking spot cuz some jerk just like you is too freakin' lazy to carry your groceries to your car.

As to your city councillors and all that crap, would you mind explaining what that has to do with my handicapped mother having to get her groceries to her car in a non-handicapped spot, with a cane in one hand, cuz some jerk like you....well, you get it? I personally don't give a crap what your city councillors are doing, I care about my handicapped mom, who those spots are for!

[bobby5]

........Cry me a freakin' river dude. Even my handicapped mother when she can't get a handicapped parking spot cuz some jerk just like you is too freakin' lazy to carry your groceries to your car.
....my handicapped mother having to get her groceries to her car in a non-handicapped spot, with a cane in one hand, cuz some jerk like you....

Wow! Cool it Nikita..... been a while since you lost it like that :o

OP: Fight the ticket is the most positive feedback anyone can give you.
As for the corrupt people in the corridors of power, it is not right to take your frustrations or inequalities in life out on your fellow (handicapped) citizens

[Nikita]

Wow! Cool it Nikita..... been a while since you lost it like that :o

OP: Fight the ticket is the most positive feedback anyone can give you.
As for the corrupt people in the corridors of power, it is not right to take your frustrations or inequalities in life out on your fellow (handicapped) citizens


LOL...sorrrrry! But yeah, I got this image in my head of my mom struggling with her groceries while this perfectly capable young guy is taking up a spot that would.....anyway, yeah, I'm a little overprotective when it comes to my mom. Just didn't realize it showed so much...:o

[camber]

To be honest, I feel that the handicapped parking space rules need to be enforced strictly. Able bodied people that park in those spaces, have a certain mentality that can be very dangerous,

Anyways, to the OP.... Plead guilty with an explanation and ask for a reduced fine due to your financial situation. If you have a good sob story the JP will probably have the decency to ease the fine up.

[COSMIC5]

hello everyone,

I parked my car in loblaws in toronto the other day in the handicap spot for 2 miniutes to load my grocceries in the vehicle, once I came out i noticed a ticket for guess how much.... $450, i went to their customer service desk and they told me it would be the city that issues the ticket and not them... anyways I am absoloutly broke and I have no clue how iam going to pay $450.00, if anyone knows of a way to help me please let me know.

what I know so far,

I can go to court and a new fine might be set if i explain my situation on that day. is it possible to appeal the judges decison? for example the judge says i will have to pay 300 instead of 450.. can I appeal this and go for a second trial to further explain my action or is it a done deal.

any help is appreciated,

I am new to this site and I have been driving for 10 year without a single ticket of any kind. this is my first and hopefully last (knock on wood)

I am one of those persons who has a permit to park in one of those spots....it is nothing more than a huge frustration when someone without a permit parks in one of those spots and you have to walk from the other end of a parking lot....sorry my friend, but the ticket was warranted, be glad it was for that small amount, if you ask me, should have been a higher fine!

[COSMIC5]

To be honest, I feel that the handicapped parking space rules need to be enforced strictly. Able bodied people that park in those spaces, have a certain mentality that can be very dangerous,

Anyways, to the OP.... Plead guilty with an explanation and ask for a reduced fine due to your financial situation. If you have a good sob story the JP will probably have the decency to ease the fine up.

I agree, but he should just pay the fine and learn from this.....

[deltone]

Like most others, I have no patience for people who park in handicapped spots when they're not entitled. There is no excuse.

Another thing people need to watch out for is to park too close to a handicapped spot, especially if there is a vehicle parked there already. Reason being, many years ago I walked out a restaurant and was approaching my car and these 4 guys in wheelchairs asked me if I could move their van for them. They were parked in a handicapped spot but a car was parked real close to it and they could not get into it because there wasn't enough room for their wheelchairs to get into the van. It was a specially equipped on with the hydraulics and all but I felt so bad for these guys as there was no way they could get into their van.

Was one of those things that you just don't often think about but ever since that day I'm careful. I think it's less apt to happen these days though as they make some pretty big spots now.

As most on here have said, pay the ticket and don't ever do it again. It's just not right, plain and simple.

[Lee C]

A lesson learned STFU and move on:cheesygri

[at1212b]

You can try to appeal the judge's decision. But my view would be He/she will likely reduce it though if the monetary cost is high for you (you have to accept and plead it down though)

Just think of how many handicap drivers were not able to park in those 2-3 minutes (If there was a objective truth machine.. I would bet that was longer then that) for actions that many other mothers with more kids do without parking in the handicap zone.

I also find it funny that you went and bought 'ice' afterwards,even though all the shopping was completed, after leaving your 8 yr old daughter all alone... who then seemed to have abandoned the groceries to play inside.

[MeiserT]

I have a picture of a guy that parked his truck in four handicap spots at a Save-ons.

His ticket was the fine for one spot x4. :cheesygri

I'll dig up the pic and post it, if anyone wants to see. :lol:

[confused student]

I have a picture of a guy that parked his truck in four handicap spots at a Save-ons.

His ticket was the fine for one spot x4. :cheesygri

I'll dig up the pic and post it, if anyone wants to see. :lol:Post please.

[Jon Lai]

You've been driving for 10 years, so you've been loading your groceries in the handicap spot for the last 10 years? Oh my...

Can't you just idle on the side of the parking lot to load your groceries? People stand their cars there all the time waiting for people (despite most areas this is supposed to be the fire zone), but this is the most logical thing to do. Also, if you can't carry two cart's full of groceries, DON'T BUY SO MANY! Many more trips! Nobody is forcing you to buy a month's worth! Buy groceries weekly! This keeps your meats and fish fresh and not having to freeze them and have to eat those rotten defrosted fish smells :P

Oh and by the way...

Please Please PLEASE do not fight this ticket! Don't listen to the people here. They don't realize that if you fight this ticket, you will be wasting municipal resources, meaning taxpayer's money. I do NOT need someone like you who does something stupid on purpose to be wasting MY tax dollars for fighting it.

[new_vr]

If I was broke, I wouldn't park somewhere I could get a ticket...
Actually, I am not broke, and still don't

[MeiserT]

Post please.


Your wish is my command. :cheesygri

It's in my album.

http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/album.php?albumid=129

[confused student]

Your wish is my command. :cheesygri

It's in my album.

http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/album.php?albumid=129The driver of that motorcar is a ****ing idiot.

[originalnutta]

some very harsh comments here,

this is exactly what happend, i told my daughter who is 8 by the way to wait near the door with the grocerries so I can pull up the car to the front, our car was way back and I dont think my 8 year old child can push 2 full carts all the way to the back of the lot, also there is bars that restrain you from taking the carts at all. when I came back and parked the car in the handi cap spot my daughter was inside fooling around with the vending machines, I than purchased some ice, this all took no more than 2-3 minuites tops, I came out and saw there was a ticket and it was mine cause there was obvioisly my licence number on that ticket. anyways whats done is done, now my question as i asked before, instead of bashing people like 5 year olds why dont you give some positive feedback.
and the reason i do not want to pay the ticket is due to the fact that councillors in city hall can sit on their fat ass and have citizens like us pay for their vications, and aspirin pills. you all know what I am talking about and how corrupt most of them are so please dont tell me to pay a 450 dollar ticket so some person can go to a 5 store hotel in shanghai

Can I appeal the judges decison?

That rant still doesn't justify that you parked in a handicap.

Park in front of the store next time with the engine running. And don't take 2-3 mins. You could have purchased ice before you left.

Also, if you ask the employees, they can get someone to help you push the carts.

Dont use your daughter as a crutch.

I don't like councilors taking my money either, but how about you stop giving them a reason to take it.

[noel08]

The driver of that motorcar is a ****ing idiot.

+1

It's as if he wanted to make a... 'statement'. I certainly hope he was given the proper ticket... times four; that too would have sent a message.

[phht]

I applauded for your honesty of admitting what you did wrong, different from many hypocrats out there too smart to admit any wrong doing, they knew too well how the game was played, they denied, denied... and eventually apologized. At least you are not yet corrupted like them.
Fight the ticket, get disclosure, you dont have to take the stand, let the crown prove it.
There are threads in the forum that help people fight tickets and web site dedicated to fight tickets as well.

[gman]

some very harsh comments here,

this is exactly what happend, i told my daughter who is 8 by the way to wait near the door with the grocerries so I can pull up the car to the front, our car was way back and I dont think my 8 year old child can push 2 full carts all the way to the back of the lot, also there is bars that restrain you from taking the carts at all. when I came back and parked the car in the handi cap spot my daughter was inside fooling around with the vending machines, I than purchased some ice, this all took no more than 2-3 minuites tops, I came out and saw there was a ticket and it was mine cause there was obvioisly my licence number on that ticket. anyways whats done is done, now my question as i asked before, instead of bashing people like 5 year olds why dont you give some positive feedback.


You knew you and your 8 years old could not push 2 carts well before you did your purchase. Why did you buy that much?
You knew the cart could not get out before you did your purchase. Why did you buy that much?
You knew your car was parked far away before you entered the store.
You knew you should not park in handicap spot.

However, you still decided to do what you did. How do you expect anything positive from this at all?

My only complaint is they should hand out these kind of ticket much more often but they do not.

If I were you, I would be too shame to tell anybody.

I always say "whoever parks in the handicap spot qualifies to park there. If they do not qualify now, they will qualify very soon."



and the reason i do not want to pay the ticket is due to the fact that councillors in city hall can sit on their fat ass and have citizens like us pay for their vications, and aspirin pills. you all know what I am talking about and how corrupt most of them are so please dont tell me to pay a 450 dollar ticket so some person can go to a 5 store hotel in shanghai

Can I appeal the judges decison?

So, is this your free out of the jail card? It is about you deserve your punishment and not about if they deserve your money or not.

[thelefteyeguy]

Park in front of the store next time with the engine running. And don't take 2-3 mins. You could have purchased ice before you left.



seriously...that's how you get your car stolen...:|

[Mattones]

Pay it. You parked where you KNEW you shouldnt have parked it and got caught.

[97gst]

Go see your doctor and get a note, since it seems obvious by your post that you have a mental disability.

Then once you have your pass you should be able to park wherever you want when getting your groceries.

[NotMoneyGuy]

however, if you are broke why are you spending money on ice - to make rum and cokes?

+1 & lol!

[jm1]

Shop at No Frills, Price Chopper and Food Basics instead of Loblaws and you'll shortly have enough saved to pay for your ticket.

[MeiserT]

not to play devils advocate.....

but it's like someone at loblaws was just waiting for some fool without a placard to park in the handicap zone, just in order to issue a ticket :lol:

[steve-0101]

What grocery stores don't let shoppers take a cart to their car?? I mean, seriously?

[gman]

What grocery stores don't let shoppers take a cart to their car?? I mean, seriously?

Quite a few. If the grocery store is part of a plaza (instead of having its own parking lot) and they do not (or cannot) have a cart collection area in the parking lot, they don't allow the cart to go out. However, those usually have a car pick up area. I know at least these locations used to be like that:

McCowan and Finch, McCowan and Alton Towers, Bamberg circle and Warden.

[z24driver1986]

The judge will laugh at you because you knew it was a handicap spot so you knew the consequence... My parents parked at a handicap spot once by mistake but my dad got the ticket thrown out because my mom was sick and he got a handicap permit for her anyways after so the judge took all of that into consideration.

[bly]

Grocery shopping is not easy.

All the best with fighting the ticket.

[HighFlyer]

What grocery stores don't let shoppers take a cart to their car?? I mean, seriously?

Areas which customers are prone to taking them off the store property. Cities levy a charge to the store for each stray cart they find. Although now the problem is solved with wheels that lock as soon as they leave the store perimeter.

[dealmeone]

If you are NOT handicapped, then it should NOT have been a problem for you to park in a spot NOT designated for the handicapped.

So many times I see people taking handicapped spots only because they are just too lazy to park a few spaces away. Every time I wish that they could be caught doing it. You knew the risks.

[dealmeone]

some very harsh comments here,

this is exactly what happend, i told my daughter who is 8 by the way to wait near the door with the grocerries so I can pull up the car to the front, our car was way back and I dont think my 8 year old child can push 2 full carts all the way to the back of the lot, also there is bars that restrain you from taking the carts at all. when I came back and parked the car in the handi cap spot my daughter was inside fooling around with the vending machines, I than purchased some ice, this all took no more than 2-3 minuites tops, I came out and saw there was a ticket and it was mine cause there was obvioisly my licence number on that ticket. anyways whats done is done, now my question as i asked before, instead of bashing people like 5 year olds why dont you give some positive feedback.
and the reason i do not want to pay the ticket is due to the fact that councillors in city hall can sit on their fat ass and have citizens like us pay for their vications, and aspirin pills. you all know what I am talking about and how corrupt most of them are so please dont tell me to pay a 450 dollar ticket so some person can go to a 5 store hotel in shanghai

Can I appeal the judges decison?

Why would your 8-year-old child have to push both carts of groceries? What would YOU be doing? Who pushed both carts through the store?

[FazerRider]

Although now the problem is solved with wheels that lock as soon as they leave the store perimeter.

do you know what makes the wheels lock? it doesn't look like the carts have transponders and electric brakes in them.

[_protege_]

Fight it.

Whether you were wrong or not (you were wrong, just don't do it again next time), fight the ticket because there is a chance you get the fine reduced or thrown out completely.

Don't listen to those people that say you were wrong, own up to it bla bla bla, it's your money and your right to challenge the ticket.

I recently got a reduced speeding ticket to 10 over last summer, fought it a few weeks back, and luckily the copper didn't show up. It's always better to fight it then not to, even if you get a reduced fine. This depends if you have to go through too much effort though to do it (ie. if you're losing money during the day at work etc)

To the chumps that say, "please please please don't fight it, it's a waste of my taxpayer money", please, listen to yourself. The services of the judges, JP, prosecutors, court workers etc are already budgeted. If you don't fight your ticket, the next person will anyways. Traffic courts are always clogged regardless. How much taxpayer money is it for you anyways for something that has already been budgeted? For the government to make good use of taxpayer money, they'd have to spend more wisely on all fronts, not just traffic court.

So next time you get a ticket Jon Lai, please be a chump and go pay it.

[Rehan]

To the chumps that say, "please please please don't fight it, it's a waste of my taxpayer money", please, listen to yourself. The services of the judges, JP, prosecutors, court workers etc are already budgeted. If you don't fight your ticket, the next person will anyways. Traffic courts are always clogged regardless. How much taxpayer money is it for you anyways for something that has already been budgeted? For the government to make good use of taxpayer money, they'd have to spend more wisely on all fronts, not just traffic court. :lol: What a silly argument. The resources have been allocated to the court system because there are so many people fighting their tickets. Budgets don't get created out of thin air. If more people owned up to their mistakes and paid the fines they earned instead of feeling entitled to a reduction, then the budget allocated to these resources would be reduced.

If you don't fight your ticket, the next person will anyways. Yeah, because of the stupid advice from people that say "fight every ticket!". :rolleyes: It's easy to see here who pays taxes and who mooches off others' contributions. Guess what -- the world doesn't actually revolve around you! Shocker, isn't it?

How about not doing dumb things to get that ticket in the first place?? Save us ALL some time and resources.

[dealmeone]

Fight it.

Whether you were wrong or not (you were wrong, just don't do it again next time), fight the ticket because there is a chance you get the fine reduced or thrown out completely.

Don't listen to those people that say you were wrong, own up to it bla bla bla, it's your money and your right to challenge the ticket.

I recently got a reduced speeding ticket to 10 over last summer, fought it a few weeks back, and luckily the copper didn't show up. It's always better to fight it then not to, even if you get a reduced fine. This depends if you have to go through too much effort though to do it (ie. if you're losing money during the day at work etc)

To the chumps that say, "please please please don't fight it, it's a waste of my taxpayer money", please, listen to yourself. The services of the judges, JP, prosecutors, court workers etc are already budgeted. If you don't fight your ticket, the next person will anyways. Traffic courts are always clogged regardless. How much taxpayer money is it for you anyways for something that has already been budgeted? For the government to make good use of taxpayer money, they'd have to spend more wisely on all fronts, not just traffic court.

So next time you get a ticket Jon Lai, please be a chump and go pay it.


AGREED...always fight it and NEVER just admit guilt. Do you think the government ever would? It IS possible that you are not guilty of what you were accused of.

If you want to just hand over money to everybody who accuses you of something and want to help the insurance companies who are looking for any excuse to up your rates, then by all means, just pay it and stick your head in the sand...for the rest of your life.

[blainehamilton]

I smell a troll here. Either that or someone who just doesn't get it...


By all means, go to court and fight it. Hopefully you'll be assessed the full fine, and the judge will cornhole you at the same time. Maybe even take away your licence! Good times!

[tdu]

Wow, people can be pretty harsh. If I was you I'd take to court. You should be able to sue for the anguish this has caused you.

I'd tell the judge you probably just took the spot from some jackass with a handicap sign that they got from their elderly parent.

How are people being harsh? There is no excuse for parking in a handicap spot unless you are handicapped.

Go a head and challenge it if you want as people have mentioned. It's your right. But it's people with attitudes like yours who would park there in the first place that are a major problem with society today. As others mentioned, you deserve the ticket.

[HighFlyer]

I have been driving for 10 year without a single ticket of any kind.
Better yet, how many times have you illegally parked, but got caught only this once....

Echoing what others have said, you deserve the ticket.

[_protege_]

:lol: What a silly argument. The resources have been allocated to the court system because there are so many people fighting their tickets. Budgets don't get created out of thin air. If more people owned up to their mistakes and paid the fines they earned instead of feeling entitled to a reduction, then the budget allocated to these resources would be reduced.

Yeah, because of the stupid advice from people that say "fight every ticket!". :rolleyes: It's easy to see here who pays taxes and who mooches off others' contributions. Guess what -- the world doesn't actually revolve around you! Shocker, isn't it?

How about not doing dumb things to get that ticket in the first place?? Save us ALL some time and resources.

Silly argument? Why don't you learn to think for yourself?

The reality of the situation is that most people already do not own up to their fine and pay it. The ones that do are a doormat. Most people would rather dispute it. Disputing a traffic ticket is a part of our legal process. The government anticipates this and the money is budgeted for it regardless. Yes, less people disputing their ticket would mean less taxpayer money put towards traffic court. Will this be a significant amount? Probably not. What kind of backwards thinking is this? To think "hmmm if I own up to it, hopefully everyone else will, and our taxpayer money won't be wasted". How naive are you? Come back down to earth. People will take advantage of whatever they can to help themselves out of a situation like a traffic ticket. For every 3 people that own up to their ticket, theres gonna be 15 others that are willing to fight it. If this if that, please. If we all stopped driving cars the environment would be better off.

To generalize who pays their taxes and who "mooches off others' contributions" based on who/who doesn't pay their traffic tickets is ******** thinking. I pay a lot of taxes, and if I get a ticket I will damn well make sure I fight it because a couple dollars of my taxes have gone into the legal system. I'd better damn well use the legal system. Just because one fights a traffic ticket means they're mooching off other people's taxes? How pathetic.

Yes, it is stupid to fight a traffic ticket. Stupid to get it thrown out. Stupid to not get your insurance rate increased. Please.
Yes, if I fight a traffic ticket, the world revolves around me. hahaha.
I'm sure taxpayer money put towards fighting traffic tickets is at the bottom of the list of inefficient government spending.

Do yourself a favour. If you ever get a traffic ticket please always pay for it. The ticket and cop indicate that you are guilty, therefore you should be. If you don't fight your ticket I will love you to death because you'll be saving us taxpayers so much money! yay! you saved us a few dollars. But wait, theres 20 other people fighting that same ticket.

Peace out.

[mystery]

Silly argument? Why don't you learn to think for yourself?

The reality of the situation is that most people already do not own up to their fine and pay it. The ones that do are a doormat. Most people would rather dispute it. Disputing a traffic ticket is a part of our legal process. The government anticipates this and the money is budgeted for it regardless. Yes, less people disputing their ticket would mean less taxpayer money put towards traffic court. Will this be a significant amount? Probably not. What kind of backwards thinking is this? To think "hmmm if I own up to it, hopefully everyone else will, and our taxpayer money won't be wasted". How naive are you? Come back down to earth. People will take advantage of whatever they can to help themselves out of a situation like a traffic ticket. For every 3 people that own up to their ticket, theres gonna be 15 others that are willing to fight it. If this if that, please. If we all stopped driving cars the environment would be better off.

To generalize who pays their taxes and who "mooches off others' contributions" based on who/who doesn't pay their traffic tickets is ******** thinking. I pay a lot of taxes, and if I get a ticket I will damn well make sure I fight it because a couple dollars of my taxes have gone into the legal system. I'd better damn well use the legal system. Just because one fights a traffic ticket means they're mooching off other people's taxes? How pathetic.

Yes, it is stupid to fight a traffic ticket. Stupid to get it thrown out. Stupid to not get your insurance rate increased. Please.
Yes, if I fight a traffic ticket, the world revolves around me. hahaha.
I'm sure taxpayer money put towards fighting traffic tickets is at the bottom of the list of inefficient government spending.

Do yourself a favour. If you ever get a traffic ticket please always pay for it. The ticket and cop indicate that you are guilty, therefore you should be. If you don't fight your ticket I will love you to death because you'll be saving us taxpayers so much money! yay! you saved us a few dollars. But wait, theres 20 other people fighting that same ticket.

Peace out.

+ 1

We are all allowed due process no matter how guilty we think/know we are.

We all pay taxes, some more than others (not bragging), so taking advantage of any and all LEGAL means to contest the ticket and work within the system is our right and duty.

Although I believe what the OP did was disgusting, he/she is entitled to the same due process as others.

[Rehan]

We all pay taxes, some more than others (not bragging), so taking advantage of any and all LEGAL means to contest the ticket and work within the system is our right and duty. It may be a right, but it's certainly not a duty. It's perfectly legal to be an idiot...it is within your right. But it's not your duty, and it's usually not advisable.

The same applies to fighting tickets when you know your guilt. It's within your right, but it's not your duty and it's not always advisable.

[Rehan]

Do yourself a favour. If you ever get a traffic ticket please always pay for it. The ticket and cop indicate that you are guilty, therefore you should be. If you don't fight your ticket I will love you to death because you'll be saving us taxpayers so much money! yay! you saved us a few dollars. Yup, I've paid the two tickets that I got because I was guilty (and no, my insurance didn't go up as a result). Of course you love me, because what I did was good for you and everything DOES revolve around you... you just showed it with your post. :razz:

I pay a lot of taxes, and if I get a ticket I will damn well make sure I fight it because a couple dollars of my taxes have gone into the legal system. I'd better damn well use the legal system.Thankfully not the whole world feels so self-centered and self-entitled.

Let's add a fine for those that abuse the system, and then we'll see how far the "fight every ticket" advice goes.

[_protege_]

Yup, I've paid the two tickets that I got because I was guilty (and no, my insurance didn't go up as a result). Of course you love me, because what I did was good for you and everything DOES revolve around you... you just showed it with your post. :razz:

Thankfully not the whole world feels so self-centered and self-entitled.

Let's add a fine for those that abuse the system, and then we'll see how far the "fight every ticket" advice goes.

You're talking out of your ass! 2 tickets (guilty) = 2 convictions. Ask any insurance agent or anyone that knows what they're talking about and they will say that 2 convictions on your record mean an insurance increase. Unless these were parking tickets, then yeah you're just a doormat.

Again, fighting a ticket (even if guilty) does not mean one is self-centred and self-entitled. It means they are using some of their brain. You might want to try that sometime. Try to think like this: it would take a substantial amount of people to not fight their ticket to make any significant dent into tax payer money NOT going into traffic court.

Maybe step away from your computer, post a couple thousand times less, use your brain, drive around, and get caught in a speedtrap.

[Rehan]

I will bet my house that all the people thay say pay the ticket have never paid a ticket in their life Be careful...you wouldn't want to lose your house in addition to the $450!

[Rehan]

You're talking out of your ass! 2 tickets (guilty) = 2 convictions. Ask any insurance agent or anyone that knows what they're talking about and they will say that 2 convictions on your record mean an insurance increase. Umm...ever think that those tickets could be more than 3 years apart? I'm just stating a fact -- I have received two tickets, and my rates did not go up.

[jhardy]

... Another choice is move out to a country where ppl only care about themselves. Then you don't have to pay the ticket.

Or move to Manitoba, but they'd probably still make you pay the ticket...

[originalnutta]

ugh, why did you delete his last words?

[Whitedart]

Thankfully not the whole world feels so self-centered and self-entitled.

Or under 25 years old, and obsessed with the notion that their insurance rates will rise because of their poor driving habits.

[Whitedart]

Yes, it is stupid to fight a traffic ticket. Stupid to get it thrown out. Stupid to not get your insurance rate increased.

And that is the primary motivation to fight the ticket, is it not? Not every ticket causes an insurance rate increase, and they certainly are not affected by parking tickets.

[jm1]

do you know what makes the wheels lock? it doesn't look like the carts have transponders and electric brakes in them.

I don't know how it works, but I see plenty of people take these carts off of supposedly-theft-proof parking lots. When they reach the spot where the wheels lock, they lift up one set of wheels and drag it a little bit, then set it down again and the wheels no longer lock.

[tbagg]

Fight It. $450 is way too much. It's not like you double parked a lamborghini with the personalized license plate "THE MAN" over two handicapped spots.


some very harsh comments here,

this is exactly what happend, i told my daughter who is 8 by the way to wait near the door with the grocerries so I can pull up the car to the front, our car was way back and I dont think my 8 year old child can push 2 full carts all the way to the back of the lot, also there is bars that restrain you from taking the carts at all. when I came back and parked the car in the handi cap spot my daughter was inside fooling around with the vending machines, I than purchased some ice, this all took no more than 2-3 minuites tops, I came out and saw there was a ticket and it was mine cause there was obvioisly my licence number on that ticket. anyways whats done is done, now my question as i asked before, instead of bashing people like 5 year olds why dont you give some positive feedback.
and the reason i do not want to pay the ticket is due to the fact that councillors in city hall can sit on their fat ass and have citizens like us pay for their vications, and aspirin pills. you all know what I am talking about and how corrupt most of them are so please dont tell me to pay a 450 dollar ticket so some person can go to a 5 store hotel in shanghai

Can I appeal the judges decison?

[kookieMonster2k2]

I believe that the courts are very firm with the handicap parking business.
You can try to fight it in court, but, I think that you will lose as the court really do not accept any excuses when it comes to handicap parking.
Google it to see how others have faired in this situation.

Therefore, be prepared to pay for the whole ticket.

[Whitedart]

I believe that the courts are very firm with the handicap parking business.
You can try to fight it in court, but, I think that you will lose as the court really do not accept any excuses when it comes to handicap parking.
Google it to see how others have faired in this situation.

Therefore, be prepared to pay for the whole ticket.

And with a value of $450, it will not get overlooked like the $25-30 parking tickets sometimes do, as indicated in that earlier Star article.

[Flyhigh]

Looks like he was Banned for Personal Attacks. Soon enough he'll make another account and ask a similar question lol

[tdu]

I am not sure why people are comparing fighting speeding tickets to fighting this. True it's your right to fight either. But in the case of a speeding ticket, there are almost always some circumstances you can argue and in a lot of cases those circumstances (even excuses) are valid. In this case the guy just knowingly parked in a handicap spot, which there is really no excuse for.

I personally am very happy to hear the fine is as large as it is for the infraction. It's exactly what people who do that deserve. It's just the pinnacle of ignorance, and laziness to do what he did.

[bythehour]

What is wrong with our society?!?!

What happened to accepting responsibility for your own conduct? Or is it that they believe everyone else should follow the rules...but not themselves.

Bloody hell, people need to learn the difference between a legal defense and a stupid excuse.

People who go to court with a stupid excuse should be assessed a further fine. Hell, I would be ok if the losing party (crown or defendant) had to pay the other side's costs.

[mystery]

I perfectly understand the outrage over this type of offence.

However, when dealing with legal matters, one must deal with the law only, and leave emotion aside.

One must remember that there is a difference between legality and morality. Morally the OP should just pay the ticket. Legally, the OP can fight it.

[Ebola]

There aren't enough law enforcement to give all the stupid people their stupid fines. Luckily there was one around this time.

[Jon Lai]

So next time you get a ticket Jon Lai, please be a chump and go pay it.

If I was as stupid as OP and parked where I knew wasn't legal, then I would pay the full amount on the ticket. If I was OP, I would feel disgrace to have broken the law, and paying the fine would only have been the punishment that OP deserved in this case. If it happened to me, I would've done the same thing.

A few years back I was redoing my driveway and parked the car on the road overnight, received a ticket from the city for $35 for parking between 2:30 and 6:00am. I didn't know about this by-law at the time, but guess what, I owned up to it and paid it. I googled it up, the by-law existed, I was guilty, I paid it.

The system allows you to fight tickets when you believe the officer booked you for something you didn't do, not for something that you did on purpose and you were well aware that you were doing it despite that. People just keep abusing it, and guess what, that means all taxpayers is helping them pay THEIR fines when all other taxpayers did not contribute to committing that crime.

How fair is that?

[jetway1212]

Silly argument? Why don't you learn to think for yourself?

The reality of the situation is that most people already do not own up to their fine and pay it. The ones that do are a doormat. Most people would rather dispute it. Disputing a traffic ticket is a part of our legal process. The government anticipates this and the money is budgeted for it regardless. Yes, less people disputing their ticket would mean less taxpayer money put towards traffic court. Will this be a significant amount? Probably not. What kind of backwards thinking is this? To think "hmmm if I own up to it, hopefully everyone else will, and our taxpayer money won't be wasted". How naive are you? Come back down to earth. People will take advantage of whatever they can to help themselves out of a situation like a traffic ticket. For every 3 people that own up to their ticket, theres gonna be 15 others that are willing to fight it. If this if that, please. If we all stopped driving cars the environment would be better off.

To generalize who pays their taxes and who "mooches off others' contributions" based on who/who doesn't pay their traffic tickets is ******** thinking. I pay a lot of taxes, and if I get a ticket I will damn well make sure I fight it because a couple dollars of my taxes have gone into the legal system. I'd better damn well use the legal system. Just because one fights a traffic ticket means they're mooching off other people's taxes? How pathetic.

Yes, it is stupid to fight a traffic ticket. Stupid to get it thrown out. Stupid to not get your insurance rate increased. Please.
Yes, if I fight a traffic ticket, the world revolves around me. hahaha.
I'm sure taxpayer money put towards fighting traffic tickets is at the bottom of the list of inefficient government spending.

Do yourself a favour. If you ever get a traffic ticket please always pay for it. The ticket and cop indicate that you are guilty, therefore you should be. If you don't fight your ticket I will love you to death because you'll be saving us taxpayers so much money! yay! you saved us a few dollars. But wait, theres 20 other people fighting that same ticket.

Peace out.

Let me guess, you're a scum with no job....

[q1w2e3r4]

Nicely said.



However, when dealing with legal matters, one must deal with the law only, and leave emotion aside.

One must remember that there is a difference between legality and morality. Morally the OP should just pay the ticket. Legally, the OP can fight it.

[tdu]

I perfectly understand the outrage over this type of offence.

However, when dealing with legal matters, one must deal with the law only, and leave emotion aside.

One must remember that there is a difference between legality and morality. Morally the OP should just pay the ticket. Legally, the OP can fight it.

Legally, he knew exactly what he was doing. He knew parking in the spot was an offense. He didn't come on here and say "the spot wasn't clearly marked" or "there was no sign". He admits he knowingly parked in a handicap spot to save him some time running into a store. If he nows goes into the court to fight it using any other excuse, he is clearly lying to them. Which is likely exactly what he will do now.

That is why I don't really agree with all the posts comparing this to fighting a traffic ticket, or an unwarranted ticket. The guy knowingly committed an offense (and an idiotic one at that), knowing what the results could be. And he is now on here whining about it. Yes people are right when they tell him he can fight it. But it should also always be prefaced with the statement that he is an idiot for knowingly parking there, and that he deserves exactly what he got.

In an ideal world the judge would tell him the same thing because in this case, that really is the bottom line. Legally and morally.

[googoo]

The guy knowingly committed an offense (and an idiotic one at that), knowing what the results could be. And he is now on here whining about it. Yes people are right when they tell him he can fight it. But it should also always be prefaced with the statement that he is an idiot for knowingly parking there, and that he deserves exactly what he got.

Well put!

Morality has taken a back seat, and it's sad to see!

As for _protege_, if you got a ticket like lexnar did herehttp://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/showthread.php?t=724855 THEN I would agree, he knew nothing or had no ability to deal with the situation at the time, THIS GUY knew ACACTLY what he did but isn't taking responsibility for them.

Brent

[mr_raider]

+1

It's as if he wanted to make a... 'statement'. I certainly hope he was given the proper ticket... times four; that too would have sent a message.

What? I'm a quadraplegic and I get on spot for each limb?

[nx2k]

so let me get this straight
if you did the crime, you should do the time?
you shouldn't get a lawyer (if it warranted), you shouldn't try to get a reduced penalty? basically, you should just take it? whatever you're charged with, just admit and take the penalty?

That's the biggest load of crap i've ever heard.
is it not the accuse's right to due process?
should he/she not be able to defend him/herself in a court of law?

whether or not the ticket is warranted or what the ultimate decision is of the judge, you guys are suggesting the OP throw out his rights and just take it?

and to the person who questioned my original post, no i was not kidding, i've had multiple parking infractions thrown out that way. call me selfish if you will, but i prefer more money in my pocket rather than less.

[new_vr]

I perfectly understand the outrage over this type of offence.

However, when dealing with legal matters, one must deal with the law only, and leave emotion aside.

One must remember that there is a difference between legality and morality. Morally the OP should just pay the ticket. Legally, the OP can fight it.

Legally they are entitled to fight it. They just can't expect the majority of people to be on their side. Most of us are frustrated when we have to park a kilometer away from the store, when there are a bunch of open handicapped space, but we do it. Don't expect our sympathies or help if you get caught for this

[tdu]

Legally they are entitled to fight it. They just can't expect the majority of people to be on their side. Most of us are frustrated when we have to park a kilometer away from the store, when there are a bunch of open handicapped space, but we do it. Don't expect our sympathies or help if you get caught for this

Plus the guy had the nerve to post on here about it, clearly stating he did it intentionally.

[mjl_toronto]

Probably too late posting this since the OP got himself banned, but if you're broke, how can you afford to buy 2 carts full of groceries at Loblaws? That must have cost you at least $450!!!

I'm not broke but even I shop at No Frills. :lol:

[rems]

so let me get this straight
if you did the crime, you should do the time?
you shouldn't get a lawyer (if it warranted), you shouldn't try to get a reduced penalty? basically, you should just take it? whatever you're charged with, just admit and take the penalty?

That's the biggest load of crap i've ever heard.
is it not the accuse's right to due process?
should he/she not be able to defend him/herself in a court of law?

whether or not the ticket is warranted or what the ultimate decision is of the judge, you guys are suggesting the OP throw out his rights and just take it?

and to the person who questioned my original post, no i was not kidding, i've had multiple parking infractions thrown out that way. call me selfish if you will, but i prefer more money in my pocket rather than less.

There are other reasons why you should fight it. But the OP clearly admitted guilt. Exactly how do you defend against something that you knowingly did? Lie?

Handicap parking is for people with disabilities. It's not a loading zone...

[mystery]

There are other reasons why you should fight it. But the OP clearly admitted guilt. Exactly how do you defend against something that you knowingly did? Lie?

Handicap parking is for people with disabilities. It's not a loading zone...

Just like in a criminal case, you do not have to take the stand to defend yourself. You can challenge the evidence and credibility of the prosecution during cross-examination.

You do not and should not lie!

Also, it is possible a deal can be made with the prosecutor before trial (e.g. lowering fine or pleading to a lesser charge...)

[Ebola]

so let me get this straight
if you did the crime, you should do the time?


.

That's the general idea.

[googoo]

That's the biggest load of crap i've ever heard.
is it not the accuse's right to due process?
should he/she not be able to defend him/herself in a court of law?


What the H is he "defending himself" against?? He KNOWINGLY parked in a handicapped spot.

He's not "accused", he's admitted guilt.

WOW!

Brent

[rems]

Just like in a criminal case, you do not have to take the stand to defend yourself. You can challenge the evidence and credibility of the prosecution during cross-examination.

You do not and should not lie!

Also, it is possible a deal can be made with the prosecutor before trial (e.g. lowering fine or pleading to a lesser charge...)

Yea that's the reason I'm thinking of why he should go to court...not to try to beat the charge but to plea a lesser fine. Cuz he knew what he did was wrong. So he should still pay for it...

[mystery]

What the H is he "defending himself" against?? He KNOWINGLY parked in a handicapped spot.

He's not "accused", he's admitted guilt.

WOW!

Brent

He admitted guilt here, not to the cop (since he didn't see him), and not to the court.

Until he pleads guilty by paying the fine or going to court to plead guilty to the same or lesser charge, he's still 'accused', and presumed innocent.

[Tijuana]

I'm sure this has been mentioned in this thread before, but why not just park your car on the road right in front of the exit? Wouldn't that be even closer?

[kmltick]

lol.. that would have been a fire route ticket.. which isn't as much as the handicap one.

[tdu]

I'm sure this has been mentioned in this thread before, but why not just park your car on the road right in front of the exit? Wouldn't that be even closer?

You may be able to find a way to drive your car right into the front of the store as well.

Make sure you take the complimentary power chair if they have one was well though. That's would only be common sense since the OP is too lazy to walk an extra 40 feet.

And since you don't need to be responsible for your own actions, you might as well take the money from any charity jars you see on the way out as well.

[mystery]

I'm sure this has been mentioned in this thread before, but why not just park your car on the road right in front of the exit? Wouldn't that be even closer?

Something tells me the OP wasn't being entirely truthful in his story.

He probably parked there for the duration of his trip.

Any logical person would double-park in the fire route as that would be the easiest way to load the groceries.

[stevethewheel]

not to play devils advocate.....

but it's like someone at loblaws was just waiting for some fool without a placard to park in the handicap zone, just in order to issue a ticket :lol:

I've seen that before. A by-law officer writes up all the common information like date and location, then waits for the victim. Swoops, places ticket, and then watches when the perp returns and "can't beleve it...it was only 2-3 minutes" then looks frantically for a uniform to argue with. Happened to me in front of a post office on a rainy day - I parked illegally, ran in to drop mail, and ran out. Of course the officer was also running..in the opposite direction. I looked up and down the street, and then shook my fist in the general direction of the post office....only to see him grinning down at me while he waited for the next fool.

OP - sorry that you didn't appreciate that handicap parking is only for people with the license.

[gateway]

i dont' think OP is coming back to this thread lol, he's had enough

but i agree with people, i would just blame it on myself for parking in the handicap spot, you took the risk therefore you will have to take the responsbility for it. otherwise, what's taking a few trips to the car for groceries?

put it this way, if i tell you that you would save $450 dollars by just park a bit further and make a few trips to your car to put your groceries in the car would you do it? HELL YEA!

so next time, think this way first before parking anywhere you would get a ticket.

[bembol]

I still can't believe this is being discussed. At the end it was just laziness.

Yea that's the reason I'm thinking of why he should go to court...not to try to beat the charge but to plea a lesser fine. Cuz he knew what he did was wrong. So he should still pay for it...

This is why most go to Court. To meet up with the First Attendance to explain yourself and lower they fine.

I had one charge go down from $400+ to <$100.

[Nikita]

so let me get this straight
if you did the crime, you should do the time?
you shouldn't get a lawyer (if it warranted), you shouldn't try to get a reduced penalty? basically, you should just take it? whatever you're charged with, just admit and take the penalty?

That's the biggest load of crap i've ever heard.
is it not the accuse's right to due process?
should he/she not be able to defend him/herself in a court of law?

whether or not the ticket is warranted or what the ultimate decision is of the judge, you guys are suggesting the OP throw out his rights and just take it?

and to the person who questioned my original post, no i was not kidding, i've had multiple parking infractions thrown out that way. call me selfish if you will, but i prefer more money in my pocket rather than less.

Though I hate people who do this (as is evidenced by my earlier rant in this thread), I fully agree the OP (who is now banned so can't see this anyway) is indeed entitled to a defense like everyone else and to have the charge proven in court, i.e. due process, and I have no problem with him doing so (even if, for personal reasons, I hope he loses).

He admitted guilt here, not to the cop (since he didn't see him), and not to the court.

Until he pleads guilty by paying the fine or going to court to plead guilty to the same or lesser charge, he's still 'accused', and presumed innocent.

Again, agree completely.

[fantom]

hello everyone,

I parked my car in loblaws in toronto the other day in the handicap spot for 2 miniutes to load my grocceries in the vehicle, once I came out i noticed a ticket for guess how much.... $450, i went to their customer service desk and they told me it would be the city that issues the ticket and not them... anyways I am absoloutly broke and I have no clue how iam going to pay $450.00, if anyone knows of a way to help me please let me know.

what I know so far,

I can go to court and a new fine might be set if i explain my situation on that day. is it possible to appeal the judges decison? for example the judge says i will have to pay 300 instead of 450.. can I appeal this and go for a second trial to further explain my action or is it a done deal.

any help is appreciated,

I am new to this site and I have been driving for 10 year without a single ticket of any kind. this is my first and hopefully last (knock on wood)


Simple.

Go to court, plead not guilty and if anyone asks you what's your excuse say you didn't see the sign.

Will this work?

Hell yeah.

How do I know?

A traffic ticket officer that slapped me with one of those told me so (apparently, there is usually NOTHING a judge or a prosecutor can say to challenge that claim... because hey, there are enough "not clearly visible" handicapped parking signs in this city)

Needless to say I got away with it too.

Now, before the rest of you idiots jump on me too and start "judging" me for "taking up" a handicapped spot, it was as legitimate as the original poster's reason - was there for 2 minutes during a pick up/drop off.

So there you have it... end of story. Close the thread. ;)

[tdu]

The only reason to ever park in a handicapped spot is if you are a handicapped person. Because you are only running into a store for a few minutes is not a 'legitimate' reason. It just shows you have no respect for people who legitimately need those spots. The people who need to point that out to people like you are not the idiots.

[DualSoul]

the only reason to ever park in a handicapped spot is if you are a handicapped person. Because you are only running into a store for a few minutes is not a 'legitimate' reason. It just shows you have no respect for people who legitimately need those spots. The people who need to point that out to people like you are not the idiots.

+1

[originalnutta]

i dont' think OP is coming back to this thread lol, he's had enough

but i agree with people, i would just blame it on myself for parking in the handicap spot, you took the risk therefore you will have to take the responsbility for it. otherwise, what's taking a few trips to the car for groceries?

put it this way, if i tell you that you would save $450 dollars by just park a bit further and make a few trips to your car to put your groceries in the car would you do it? HELL YEA!

so next time, think this way first before parking anywhere you would get a ticket.

op posted his final words and a "goodbye" to us all. it was deleted by a mod.

[Tomy]

Simple.

Go to court, plead not guilty and if anyone asks you what's your excuse say you didn't see the sign.

Will this work?

Hell yeah.

How do I know?

A traffic ticket officer that slapped me with one of those told me so (apparently, there is usually NOTHING a judge or a prosecutor can say to challenge that claim... because hey, there are enough "not clearly visible" handicapped parking signs in this city)

Needless to say I got away with it too.

Now, before the rest of you idiots jump on me too and start "judging" me for "taking up" a handicapped spot, it was as legitimate as the original poster's reason - was there for 2 minutes during a pick up/drop off.

So there you have it... end of story. Close the thread. ;)

LOL good job at abusing the system. :mad:

The only reason to ever park in a handicapped spot is if you are a handicapped person. Because you are only running into a store for a few minutes is not a 'legitimate' reason. It just shows you have no respect for people who legitimately need those spots. The people who need to point that out to people like you are not the idiots.

btw. i agree with you, however, a lot of people who parks at the handicap spots are usually family members or gotten the permit from other ways...

i hate people who does that, they pull in, park in the first spot they see, then go into the mall/shops, while we hve to park all the way to the back...

there are legit people who use it for the right purpose, but there are people who abuses these spots.

o ya, a friend of mine parks outside of the yonge and finch b/c he has a permit from his family members.. parks there everyday free of charge.


oh ya. what happened to OP, he got banned for personal attack?

[originalnutta]

Now, before the rest of you idiots jump on me too and start "judging" me for "taking up" a handicapped spot, it was as legitimate as the original poster's reason - was there for 2 minutes during a pick up/drop off.

So there you have it... end of story. Close the thread. ;)thats not legitimate.

being lazy isnt an excuse for being a jerk.

[Narci]

I know the OP is banned but here's my 2 cents.

Maybe you should buy as much as you can carry? Reminds me of people going to Ikea to buy furniture, wheel it out to thier car and then realizing that it won't fit in thier Civic :p

As well, why the heck would you leave your daughter alone while you went to get the car? It'll probably cost taxpayers, and yourself, alot more then your $450 ticket if your kid was kidnapped.

If you know you can't take all your groceries to the car, you can always ask for help. Many grocery stores will help you take stuff to the car.

Your just as bad as the Ferarri I saw parked on University with a handicap permit.

[Nikita]

Simple.

Go to court, plead not guilty and if anyone asks you what's your excuse say you didn't see the sign.

Will this work?

Hell yeah.

How do I know?

A traffic ticket officer that slapped me with one of those told me so (apparently, there is usually NOTHING a judge or a prosecutor can say to challenge that claim... because hey, there are enough "not clearly visible" handicapped parking signs in this city)

Needless to say I got away with it too.

Now, before the rest of you idiots jump on me too and start "judging" me for "taking up" a handicapped spot, it was as legitimate as the original poster's reason - was there for 2 minutes during a pick up/drop off.
So there you have it... end of story. Close the thread. ;)

thats not legitimate.

being lazy isnt an excuse for being a jerk.

Thank you originalnutta, took the words right out of my mouth.

I know the OP is banned but here's my 2 cents.

Maybe you should buy as much as you can carry? Reminds me of people going to Ikea to buy furniture, wheel it out to thier car and then realizing that it won't fit in thier Civic :p

As well, why the heck would you leave your daughter alone while you went to get the car? It'll probably cost taxpayers, and yourself, alot more then your $450 ticket if your kid was kidnapped.

If you know you can't take all your groceries to the car, you can always ask for help. Many grocery stores will help you take stuff to the car.

Your just as bad as the Ferarri I saw parked on University with a handicap permit.

LOL...what does the type of car have to do with anything?? You think handicapped people are all poor or something?

[Narci]

LOL...what does the type of car have to do with anything?? You think handicapped people are all poor or something?

I'm using it as an analogy...basically think before you buy. If the OP bought too many groceries to carry, to his car, he should have though about it ahead of time. Samething goes with my Ikea analogy. If that the bed you bought won't fit in the car, you should have though of that before you bought it.

As to the Ferarri, yeah..you got me there, but I would fathom that a disabled person would have a really hard time getting into that car that is basically ground level.

[BlizzardNeon]

Ok first dont mind the some of the poeple on here that acted like there crap dont stink, I think its the mold from living in there parents basement for so long... Just pissing around but really they need stop acting like there so much better and NEVER do anything wrong...


Take it to court and explain what happened and tell them about your money issues and that you would rather give money to a charity or something and the judge will most likely say ok and then you send money to the charity and show the judge the payment and it will go away.

[skygolf]

You deserve it, but I have seen too many ppl abuse the handicap parking. I have seen perfectly healthy person pull into the handicap parking … then when no cops is around quickly pull out the handicap sticker and ran inside the mall. NO, I don’t believe they are picking up a handicap person from the arcade.

Anyway I once stop at a handicap parking to drop off my wife and 2 yrs at Loblaws then parked at regular parking afterward. It was raining, several handicap spots still available and only did it cos I don’t block the car trying to pull out from the handicap spot! When I later join my wife and kid … my wife starting telling how she got hassled by the off duty cop cos I dropped her off at the handicap spots for a good 2-3mins while she was doing her shopping. The cop was BS-ing! next to her saying he could give her a ticket and etc…and not till she rises her voice said “Alright I get it” then he left her alone.

Well, cops makes they big fat paycheck( $160k) for OT in courts. Min 4 hours at 1.5x pay for court day... so u should flight it at least the get our tax $ worth. Don't the the cops get his big paycheck for 5 mins of work.

[gheart008]

Besides the fact that the OP parked in the handicap spot, did no one else notice that the OP mentioned (s)he left an eight year old child completely unattended, especially in such a high traffic area like a Loblaws entrance?

To me that's a much bigger crime than parking illegally in a handicap spot... That's some pretty bad parenting going on there.

[4flava]

You said your daughter couldn't pull 2 full carts to your car but why couldn't you???... pulling 2 carts ON WHEELS doesn't take much effort.

- drag the carts to the car.
- your daughter follows u.
- load the groceries.
- seat your daughter in the car.
- return the cart.
- drive home
- NO TICKET.

BTw, I do not know of a Loblaws that have bars that doesn't allow you to drag the carts to your car.. that defeats the purpose of having those return buggy thingie in the parking lot.

the excuses for your laziness is shamefull... there isn't enough handicap parking spaces to begin with.

BE A MAN, DO THE RIGHT THING!

[professionaldude]

thats not legitimate.

Being lazy isnt an excuse for being a jerk.

+1

[originalnutta]

Whatever, the OP has since left this thread and probably this forum.


But let this be a warning to all you other tards who whine and complain when you knowingly park in a handicap spot or cause any other infraction.


I mean, most other traffic laws i can get over, but actually taking up a handicap spot is despicable. What an inconvenience it must be to drag two carts to your car, with your fully functioning legs and arms.

[Qube]

Sorry, really no sympathy for those that do that. They're there for a reason.

PRAY you never really have to use it LEGIT, and some asswipe went in for groceries for "just 2 minutes".

[googoo]

Just pissing around but really they need stop acting like there so much better and NEVER do anything wrong

Dude you really need to think things through BEFORE you post!

This is about the lowest thing you can do and you stand with him. We all do thing wrong, but MOST adults take responsiblity for their action. What you're saying is "why should he, everybody makes mistakes!" IT WAS NOT A MISTAKE!

Brent

[herakles]

do you know what makes the wheels lock? it doesn't look like the carts have transponders and electric brakes in them.

Used to work in a grocery store, there are electronic locks on the wheels. I worked near the front of the store and used to unlock everyone's shopping cart with an electronic "key". It was absolute hell during the winter going out to unlock the carts. I asked the boss what made them lock and he told me there was a transmitter set up around the parking lot and if the customers pass it, then the wheels automatically lock. There were lines drawn but the customers never noticed...hell I didn't even notice them lol.

I remember one of the assistant managers receiving a call about a shopping cart found 50km away from the store. He drove right out to pick it up in his truck because the carts cost the store $400.

As for the op, try asking an employee to help carry out your groceries or look after your carts next time. Most would gladly oblige because you're basically giving them a break from whatever monotonous task they're doing.

[urameatball]

I don't know what's worse:
1) parking in handicap spot
2) leaving 8-year-old in front of grocery store alone
3) leaving 2 full grocery carts unattended as you went back inside to fetch your daughter and grab some ice
4) telling everyone on RFD how you feel like you got shafted.
5) not realizing you could have had your car towed, your daughter kidnapped, and your groceries stolen.

[tdu]

Dude you really need to think things through BEFORE you post!

This is about the lowest thing you can do and you stand with him. We all do thing wrong, but MOST adults take responsiblity for their action. What you're saying is "why should he, everybody makes mistakes!" IT WAS NOT A MISTAKE!

Brent

Ya the reason people are so upset is because of the particular offense, and the fact that now 2 people have posted saying they knowingly park in handicapped spots and don't consider it a big deal. It's a huge deal. As pointed out, it's about as low as you can go. Again, the problem is not with the people in the thread pointing it out, it's the people in they thread they actually have to point that out to. It's just sad that anyone would think there is a valid reason for parking in those spots other than being handicapped.

[Jon Lai]

I don't know what's worse:
1) parking in handicap spot
2) leaving 8-year-old in front of grocery store alone
3) leaving 2 full grocery carts unattended as you went back inside to fetch your daughter and grab some ice
4) telling everyone on RFD how you feel like you got shafted.
5) not realizing you could have had your car towed, your daughter kidnapped, and your groceries stolen.

5 is worst, obviously :P

[DualSoul]

I don't know what's worse:
1) parking in handicap spot
2) leaving 8-year-old in front of grocery store alone
3) leaving 2 full grocery carts unattended as you went back inside to fetch your daughter and grab some ice
4) telling everyone on RFD how you feel like you got shafted.
5) not realizing you could have had your car towed, your daughter kidnapped, and your groceries stolen.5 is worst, obviously :P

Not obvious to the OP it seems.

[Nikita]

Ok first dont mind the some of the poeple on here that acted like there crap dont stink, I think its the mold from living in there parents basement for so long... Just pissing around but really they need stop acting like there so much better and NEVER do anything wrong...


Take it to court and explain what happened and tell them about your money issues and that you would rather give money to a charity or something and the judge will most likely say ok and then you send money to the charity and show the judge the payment and it will go away.

Umm no, can't do that in traffic court. Alternative measures is only available in criminal court.

I don't know what's worse:
1) parking in handicap spot
2) leaving 8-year-old in front of grocery store alone
3) leaving 2 full grocery carts unattended as you went back inside to fetch your daughter and grab some ice
4) telling everyone on RFD how you feel like you got shafted.
5) not realizing you could have had your car towed, your daughter kidnapped, and your groceries stolen.

LOL...well put!

[yao416]

I don't know what's worse:
1) parking in handicap spot
2) leaving 8-year-old in front of grocery store alone
3) leaving 2 full grocery carts unattended as you went back inside to fetch your daughter and grab some ice
4) telling everyone on RFD how you feel like you got shafted.
5) not realizing you could have had your car towed, your daughter kidnapped, and your groceries stolen.

/thread

[jp06]

some very harsh comments here,

this is exactly what happend, i told my daughter who is 8 by the way to wait near the door with the grocerries so I can pull up the car to the front, our car was way back and I dont think my 8 year old child can push 2 full carts all the way to the back of the lot, also there is bars that restrain you from taking the carts at all. when I came back and parked the car in the handi cap spot my daughter was inside fooling around with the vending machines, I than purchased some ice, this all took no more than 2-3 minuites tops, I came out and saw there was a ticket and it was mine cause there was obvioisly my licence number on that ticket. anyways whats done is done, now my question as i asked before, instead of bashing people like 5 year olds why dont you give some positive feedback.
and the reason i do not want to pay the ticket is due to the fact that councillors in city hall can sit on their fat ass and have citizens like us pay for their vications, and aspirin pills. you all know what I am talking about and how corrupt most of them are so please dont tell me to pay a 450 dollar ticket so some person can go to a 5 store hotel in shanghai

Can I appeal the judges decison?

try telling that story to the judge, let's see if he/she cares. You obviously have no valid excuse.

[phht]

keep it going!

[PHYSH]

You better fight this, this will affect your insurance premiums lol!

[camber]

I don't know what's worse:
1) parking in handicap spot
2) leaving 8-year-old in front of grocery store alone
3) leaving 2 full grocery carts unattended as you went back inside to fetch your daughter and grab some ice
4) telling everyone on RFD how you feel like you got shafted.
5) not realizing you could have had your car towed, your daughter kidnapped, and your groceries stolen.

Like I mentioned a while ago.... Able bodied people that park in handicap spots have a dangerous mentality and this mentality can almost always be seen in all their actions. I hope this person learned a lesson from this thread.

[Ctrl-Z]

Here's an example of an unjust handicapped parking ticket. I parked in a handicap space w/o a permit last year and got a $120 ticket for it. And even though I could have fought it and likely won, I just paid it as I thought it wasn't worth the hassle. Yes, only a fool willingly parks in a handicap space w/o a permit. Reasons why I wasn't said fool:

No visible signage that this was a handicapped parking spot: snow covered the pavement completely, and a large panel van 2 spaces away completely obscured the handicapped sign. I would have used these facts to fight the ticket but... I didn't get the ticket till the next day while parked at home! Apparently this results from a citizen reporting your vehicle and a cop delivering the ticket when they track down your address. So I had no chance to take a picture of the truck blocking the sign or of the pavement for that matter.

And the ultimate in irony: I HAD a handicap placard in my glove box! I use it when I have my elderly mother in the car but in this case I was simply dropping off a walker for her in the hospital and I thought I had no need to display it. To this day I regret not going to court over that BS ticket!

[tdu]

Here's an example of an unjust handicapped parking ticket. I parked in a handicap space w/o a permit last year and got a $120 ticket for it. And even though I could have fought it and likely won, I just paid it as I thought it wasn't worth the hassle. Yes, only a fool willingly parks in a handicap space w/o a permit. Reasons why I wasn't said fool:

No visible signage that this was a handicapped parking spot: snow covered the pavement completely, and a large panel van 2 spaces away completely obscured the handicapped sign. I would have used these facts to fight the ticket but... I didn't get the ticket till the next day while parked at home! Apparently this results from a citizen reporting your vehicle and a cop delivering the ticket when they track down your address. So I had no chance to take a picture of the truck blocking the sign or of the pavement for that matter.

And the ultimate in irony: I HAD a handicap placard in my glove box! I use it when I have my elderly mother in the car but in this case I was simply dropping off a walker for her in the hospital and I thought I had no need to display it. To this day I regret not going to court over that BS ticket!

This is clearly a different case though. And I would fight any ticket over any issues that involved a lack of signs etc. Because as with you and most of the rest of us here, we would never intentionally commit the offense.

The OP said he knew it was a handicapped spot and parked there to save time. And a couple of other posters have said they do the same thing.

[fantom]

LOL good job at abusing the system. :mad:

meh... you either abuse the system or the system abuses you. there's no middle ground. And with that choice, I choose the first option ;)

so think of "us" anything you want, but we're laughing at you for bending over and paying up (giving up your hard earned money) to the "man" whenever he asks for it, without questioning it, complaining about it, or disputing it.

thats not legitimate. being lazy isnt an excuse for being a jerk.

hey, listen... maybe I am a jerk, but if there are 3 handicapped parking spots in front of the post office in a mall in the middle of a desert (Scarboro) with no cars around, no people around, stores and shops closed up and the only one left working is the post office (closing any minute as well), and you need to get in there and mail off a few letters, are you gonna drive to the first available non-handicapped spot across from the post office or park into one of the three free handicapped ones in front of the post office?

even if there was a storm of handicapped people who was looking to get to the post office 2 minutes before the closing time (by some freaky chance), they'd still have 2 other spots to park in, so giving me a ticket for being THE ONLY car in the parking lot and having parked in the handicapped spot, that's cheap... and anyone tells me it's a legitimate ticket deserves a good beating too.

[gman]

hey, listen... maybe I am a jerk, but if there are 3 handicapped parking spots in front of the post office in a mall in the middle of a desert (Scarboro) with no cars around, no people around, stores and shops closed up and the only one left working is the post office (closing any minute as well), and you need to get in there and mail off a few letters, are you gonna drive to the first available non-handicapped spot across from the post office or park into one of the three free handicapped ones in front of the post office?

even if there was a storm of handicapped people who was looking to get to the post office 2 minutes before the closing time (by some freaky chance), they'd still have 2 other spots to park in, so giving me a ticket for being THE ONLY car in the parking lot and having parked in the handicapped spot, that's cheap... and anyone tells me it's a legitimate ticket deserves a good beating too.

Beat me. Yes, you deserve the ticket. You were lazy, period. It does not matter if there will not be any handicap person appearing in that post office in another decade, you parked there. You had more choice and probably was 10 steps away. You did not have to park there. You were worse than OP.

[tdu]

Beat me. Yes, you deserve the ticket. You were lazy, period. It does not matter if there will not be any handicap person appearing in that post office in another decade, you parked there. You had more choice and probably was 10 steps away. You did not have to park there. You were worse than OP.

Exactly. One day when all of you either need those spots yourself, or have someone close to you need them, you will appreciate why people get upset. You are taking advantage of people less fortunate than yourselves. Plain and simple. It's a horrible, selfish, attitude to have.

Although if you are the type of people that can't see that, nothing anyone here says to you will ever make a difference to you.

[Nikita]

meh... you either abuse the system or the system abuses you. there's no middle ground. And with that choice, I choose the first option ;)

so think of "us" anything you want, but we're laughing at you for bending over and paying up (giving up your hard earned money) to the "man" whenever he asks for it, without questioning it, complaining about it, or disputing it.



hey, listen... maybe I am a jerk, but if there are 3 handicapped parking spots in front of the post office in a mall in the middle of a desert (Scarboro) with no cars around, no people around, stores and shops closed up and the only one left working is the post office (closing any minute as well), and you need to get in there and mail off a few letters, are you gonna drive to the first available non-handicapped spot across from the post office or park into one of the three free handicapped ones in front of the post office?

even if there was a storm of handicapped people who was looking to get to the post office 2 minutes before the closing time (by some freaky chance), they'd still have 2 other spots to park in, so giving me a ticket for being THE ONLY car in the parking lot and having parked in the handicapped spot, that's cheap... and anyone tells me it's a legitimate ticket deserves a good beating too.

It's a legitimate ticket.

[Maedhros]

I CAN NOT believe how much **** people are giving too the OP. Like ur all perfect and have never done something while in a rush? Come on people, get off ur high thrones.

OP, FIGHT IT!

I have NEVER seen the handicap parking full. And the ones that are full are just people who work for the city of Toronto and are claiming disability in fraud.

If maybe there was only 1 cripple parking spot instead of 20 in Loblaw, maybe stuff like this wouldn't be happening.

OP if u fight it, maybe it will take too long and get thrown out, or if not just explain to judge and get some taken off. GL

[DaVibe]

I don't PARK my car in the handicapped spot, no ... I don't do that.

So yeah, I would give this guy heck all day long.

[Jon Lai]

I CAN NOT believe how much **** people are giving too the OP. Like ur all perfect and have never done something while in a rush? Come on people, get off ur high thrones.

OP, FIGHT IT!

I have NEVER seen the handicap parking full. And the ones that are full are just people who work for the city of Toronto and are claiming disability in fraud.

If maybe there was only 1 cripple parking spot instead of 20 in Loblaw, maybe stuff like this wouldn't be happening.

OP if u fight it, maybe it will take too long and get thrown out, or if not just explain to judge and get some taken off. GL

Handicap spots are drawn according to proportions. If there are 20 handicap spots at Loblaws, there will be at least 200 regular spots available.

Why are you telling OP to fight it? You want OP to waste your money? (yes, the court uses your money to help reduce OP's ticket!)

[Whitedart]

Handicap spots are drawn according to proportions. If there are 20 handicap spots at Loblaws, there will be at least 200 regular spots available.

Yes, they are in proportion to the total number of available parking spaces.

As I recall the ratio is:
1 hc space for the first 20 parking spaces, then
1 hc space for each additional 100 spaces or less.

[Whitedart]

hey, listen... maybe I am a jerk, but if there are 3 handicapped parking spots in front of the post office in a mall in the middle of a desert (Scarboro) with no cars around, no people around, stores and shops closed up and the only one left working is the post office (closing any minute as well), and you need to get in there and mail off a few letters, are you gonna drive to the first available non-handicapped spot across from the post office or park into one of the three free handicapped ones in front of the post office?

even if there was a storm of handicapped people who was looking to get to the post office 2 minutes before the closing time (by some freaky chance), they'd still have 2 other spots to park in, so giving me a ticket for being THE ONLY car in the parking lot and having parked in the handicapped spot, that's cheap... and anyone tells me it's a legitimate ticket deserves a good beating too.

With better time management, you would have reached the post office 5 minutes earlier rather than closing time, and been able to park in a regular spot. But we know it's all about you, so...

[rharor]

For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. You parked illegally and you got fined, however in my mind the reaction wasn't equally opposite. That's because I wouldn't have been so kind as to give you a $450 ticket, it would have been much higher. One day your probably going to need that handicapped spot when your daughter has left you and your old and crippled and don't want to walk all the way from across the lot with no one to help you. However the handicapped spot will probably be taken by someone loading there groceries for 2 min.

Be a good role model for your kid and teach her responsibility. Pay up!

[tdu]

I love how some people imply that those of us who have enough common sense to not park in a handicap spot are somehow acting like we are better than everyone else. How were you brought up that you don't realize it's wrong both legally and morally to park in those spots if you are not handicapped? How can you have so little respect for other people less fortunate than yourselves?

It's just plain common sense and decency (not to mention obeying the law). It's not people being elitist. There is a huge difference between someone making a mistake in life, and someone intentionally and knowingly committing and illegal and indecent act. And posting about it on here!

[DualSoul]

I CAN NOT believe how much **** people are giving too the OP. Like ur all perfect and have never done something while in a rush? Come on people, get off ur high thrones.

OP, FIGHT IT!

I have NEVER seen the handicap parking full. And the ones that are full are just people who work for the city of Toronto and are claiming disability in fraud.

If maybe there was only 1 cripple parking spot instead of 20 in Loblaw, maybe stuff like this wouldn't be happening.

OP if u fight it, maybe it will take too long and get thrown out, or if not just explain to judge and get some taken off. GL

I cannot believe you willingly typed something to make yourself look ignorant.

[SpillOnAisle9]

I CAN NOT believe how much **** people are giving too the OP. Like ur all perfect and have never done something while in a rush? Come on people, get off ur high thrones.

OP, FIGHT IT!

I have NEVER seen the handicap parking full. And the ones that are full are just people who work for the city of Toronto and are claiming disability in fraud.

If maybe there was only 1 cripple parking spot instead of 20 in Loblaw, maybe stuff like this wouldn't be happening.

OP if u fight it, maybe it will take too long and get thrown out, or if not just explain to judge and get some taken off. GL

Hey Troll ..... Did your mother have any children who lived?

[CanadianMoFo]

If maybe there was only 1 cripple parking spot instead of 20 in Loblaw, maybe stuff like this wouldn't be happening.

Yes, it must be the "cripples" needing parking that are to blame for your misfortune. I heard they are also responsible for the recession, climate change, child abductions and all forms of cancer. Damn their black hearts!!!

CM

[Jon Lai]

FYI, Handicap permits are granted and the spots are to be used legally by not only "cripple" people. Some of you guys need to get more common sense into your brains.

[Tomy]

Hey Troll ..... Did your mother have any children who lived?

LOL :cheesygri

[tdu]

FYI, Handicap permits are granted and the spots are to be used legally by not only "cripple" people. Some of you guys need to get more common sense into your brains.

People abusing the permit system aren't any better. But that's another topic all together.

[Nikita]

I CAN NOT believe how much **** people are giving too the OP. Like ur all perfect and have never done something while in a rush? Come on people, get off ur high thrones.

OP, FIGHT IT!

I have NEVER seen the handicap parking full. And the ones that are full are just people who work for the city of Toronto and are claiming disability in fraud.

If maybe there was only 1 cripple parking spot instead of 20 in Loblaw, maybe stuff like this wouldn't be happening.

OP if u fight it, maybe it will take too long and get thrown out, or if not just explain to judge and get some taken off. GL

If you've never seen the handicap parking full, it's likely cuz you've never paid attention, having no need to. As my mother does have a handicap permit and does suffer from severe chronic pain and it IS a PITA (almost literally) for her to walk too far, I notice it and yes those spots are full a lot of the time.

And this stuff about the being "just people who work for the city of Toronto and are claiming disability in fraud" is nothing but crap, which you probably know anyway. Oh and BTW, this isn't about only Toronto, this is a provincial law and believe it or not there are many many many other cities in this province than Toronto, so again, this crap about it being Toronto city workers committing fraud :rolleyes: is just that....crap.

[Jon Lai]

People abusing the permit system aren't any better. But that's another topic all together.

What's worse, that, or people that yell at people who has a permit legitimately but doesn't "appear" to be handicapped? I've seen that too much. Just because you aren't in a wheelchair, sometimes people will yell at you for "abusing" the permit where infact you have a medical condition.

[jjjjjj]

Go sabotage the handicap sign and take a digital picture with your car.
Show this pictures to the judge in court and claim this picture took it on the same day the ticket was issued. Then you might be able to get away of the charge.

If you don't, pay the fine.

You are totally DESERVE the ticket. Suck it up !!!:lol::lol::lol::lol::D:D:D

Whether you will be convicted or not, I am sure you won't park at any handicap parking again. :lol::lol::lol:

[fantom]

Beat me. Yes, you deserve the ticket. You were lazy, period. It does not matter if there will not be any handicap person appearing in that post office in another decade, you parked there. You had more choice and probably was 10 steps away. You did not have to park there. You were worse than OP.

It doesn't matter?

Really?

Why not?

What - someone made this rule and now everyone's gotta follow it as a blanket rule, no exceptions to be made to it, ever?

Is that how you go through life too? Geez... I feel sorry for your kids.

With better time management, you would have reached the post office 5 minutes earlier rather than closing time, and been able to park in a regular spot. But we know it's all about you, so...

Oh, right, and you're soooo perfect when it comes to time management and anticipating for factors like traffic, road conditions, other people and variables, etc.

Thanks for the tip, Tips.

:confused:

Exactly. One day when all of you either need those spots yourself, or have someone close to you need them, you will appreciate why people get upset. You are taking advantage of people less fortunate than yourselves. Plain and simple. It's a horrible, selfish, attitude to have.

Although if you are the type of people that can't see that, nothing anyone here says to you will ever make a difference to you.

Correct. And what you just said makes no difference to me.

Aside from that one thing you mentioned - me taking advantage of people less fortunate than myself.

Hmm... let's see here.

Parking in an EMPTY parking lot, nighttime, no people/customers around, I am pretty much the only person in there aside from the guy closing the shop I'm trying to make it into before closing...

And I am taking advantage of who again?

Get off your high horse and stop preaching B.S.

If anyone is taking advantage of anyone, it's the city of toronto slapping people like me with these ridiculous parking tickets (even when it's extremely obvious that I am temporarily stopped with my emergency lights on, and there are 2 other handicapped spots RIGHT BESIDE, if needed by some chance), and then wasting all the money on the court process (that I went through), paying the parking officer, the judge, the prosecutor and all the other people involved in the process to deal with this b.s.... all out of our own money.

I'm sure if the situation was reversed and YOU were the one in this situation (as much as you'd want to convince us all that you'd NEVER get into that type of a situations yourself, of course), you'd be the first one pleading and begging for forgiveness in this "exceptional" case... ;)

Regardless, as far as the original poster goes or anyone else reading this, unless he/she is a douchebag who parks in busy parking lots when people legitimately require those handicapped spots for easier access, fight the damn ticket. It's your money and your right as a citizen to contest it in a court of law.

[Tomy]

i always see handicap parking spot being used by people without any disability... yet they have the permit :(

[Tomy]

rule of thumb, if ur not disable and dont have the permit, u shouldnt be using it.

to the poster above, a few jog will probably be the same time as to park at those spots..

unless ur disable and can't run.. but being too fat doesn't count as disability.. or does it?

[Nikita]

It doesn't matter?

Really?

Why not?

What - someone made this rule and now everyone's gotta follow it as a blanket rule, no exceptions to be made to it, ever?

Is that how you go through life too? Geez... I feel sorry for your kids.

Umm, it's not a rule, it's a law and yes, I go through life trying to follow the law. If you don't I feel sorry for YOUR kids.



Oh, right, and you're soooo perfect when it comes to time management and anticipating for factors like traffic, road conditions, other people and variables, etc.

Thanks for the tip, Tips.

:confused:



Correct. And what you just said makes no difference to me.

Aside from that one thing you mentioned - me taking advantage of people less fortunate than myself.

Hmm... let's see here.

Parking in an EMPTY parking lot, nighttime, no people/customers around, I am pretty much the only person in there aside from the guy closing the shop I'm trying to make it into before closing...

And I am taking advantage of who again?

Get off your high horse and stop preaching B.S.

If anyone is taking advantage of anyone, it's the city of toronto slapping people like me with these ridiculous parking tickets (even when it's extremely obvious that I am temporarily stopped with my emergency lights on, and there are 2 other handicapped spots RIGHT BESIDE, if needed by some chance), and then wasting all the money on the court process (that I went through), paying the parking officer, the judge, the prosecutor and all the other people involved in the process to deal with this b.s.... all out of our own money.



I'm sure if the situation was reversed and YOU were the one in this situation (as much as you'd want to convince us all that you'd NEVER get into that type of a situations yourself, of course), you'd be the first one pleading and begging for forgiveness in this "exceptional" case... ;)

And I'm sure if the situation were reversed and YOU had to foot all those costs, you'd think differently. Again, this isn't a Toronto law, this is a provincial law. The fact that you obviously have a rant with your city council means crap to me or anyone else outside of Toronto. This law wasn't made by Toronto city council, which is why we outside of Toronto follow it too.

Regardless, as far as the original poster goes or anyone else reading this, unless he/she is a douchebag who parks in busy parking lots when people legitimately require those handicapped spots for easier access, fight the damn ticket. It's your money and your right as a citizen to contest it in a court of law.

meh... you either abuse the system or the system abuses you. there's no middle ground. And with that choice, I choose the first option ;)

so think of "us" anything you want, but we're laughing at you for bending over and paying up (giving up your hard earned money) to the "man" whenever he asks for it, without questioning it, complaining about it, or disputing it.



hey, listen... maybe I am a jerk, but if there are 3 handicapped parking spots in front of the post office in a mall in the middle of a desert (Scarboro) with no cars around, no people around, stores and shops closed up and the only one left working is the post office (closing any minute as well), and you need to get in there and mail off a few letters, are you gonna drive to the first available non-handicapped spot across from the post office or park into one of the three free handicapped ones in front of the post office?

even if there was a storm of handicapped people who was looking to get to the post office 2 minutes before the closing time (by some freaky chance), they'd still have 2 other spots to park in, so giving me a ticket for being THE ONLY car in the parking lot and having parked in the handicapped spot, that's cheap... and anyone tells me it's a legitimate ticket deserves a good beating too.

You're whole attitude seems to be that if you don't see any good reason for you to follow any particular law, you should be able to whine and cry like a suck when you get caught breaking it. According to your logic, I should be able to blow past stop signs and red lights if I determine it's safe to do so, or if I determine that there are no other cars around anyway etc etc. If would could always expect everybody to do the right thing, we wouldn't need laws at all. But because of people like you, who think you know better than everyone else whether the handicapped spots will be needed while you're parked there and inside a store, the law is the law. Follow it or not. Get a ticket, fight it or not. But don't whine about it like a suck cuz you got caught.

i always see handicap parking spot being used by people without any disability... yet they have the permit :(

Ugghh...please tell me you're not serious!

[fantom]

If would could always expect everybody to do the right thing, we wouldn't need laws at all. But because of people like you, who think you know better than everyone else whether the handicapped spots will be needed while you're parked there and inside a store, the law is the law. Follow it or not. Get a ticket, fight it or not. But don't whine about it like a suck cuz you got caught.

What's wrong with expecting everyone to do the right thing?

The laws were made because of dummies who couldn't figure out the difference between right and wrong...

And no, I am not whining like a suck, I'm telling you as it is straight up, as my common sense tells me to.

But hey, I guess YOU need all these laws in order to keep your common sense in check... god forbid you question the law or try to make an exception.

(then again, who made this the law anyway? you trust those people to have the same common sense as you, me, the rest of us?)

[jjjjjj]

You can go to court and plea for a lower fine (from $450 to $300).

then you can appeal and go for a second trial and plea for a even lower fine (from $300 to $150)

and then you can appeal again and go for a third trial and plea for further even lower fine ($150 to $75)

and then.......from $75 to $37.5

and then.......from $37.5 to $18.75

and then.......from $18.75 to $9.375

and then.......from $9.375 to $4.6875

and then......from $4.6875 to $2.34375

and then......from $2.34375 to $1.171875

and then......from $1.171875 to $0.5859375

and then......from $0.5859375 to $0.29296875

and then......from $0.29296875 to $0.146484375

and then......from $0.146484375 to $0.0732421875

go on and on and on..............good deal ????

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

[spf1971]

If anyone is taking advantage of anyone, it's the city of toronto slapping people like me with these ridiculous parking tickets (even when it's extremely obvious that I am temporarily stopped with my emergency lights on, and there are 2 other handicapped spots RIGHT BESIDE, if needed by some chance), and then wasting all the money on the court process (that I went through), paying the parking officer, the judge, the prosecutor and all the other people involved in the process to deal with this b.s.... all out of our own money.



Why didn't you say that earlier? Come on guys he had his emergency lights on! Everybody knows you can park wherever you want as long as you turn your emergency lights on.

P.S. :arrowu: sarcasm

[Tomy]

You can go to court and plea for a lower fine (from $450 to $300).

then you can appeal and go for a second trial and plea for a even lower fine (from $300 to $150)

and then you can appeal again and go for a third trial and plea for further even lower fine ($150 to $75)

and then.......from $75 to $37.5

and then.......from $37.5 to $18.75

and then.......from $18.75 to $9.375

and then.......from $9.375 to $4.6875

and then......from $4.6875 to $2.34375

and then......from $2.34375 to $1.171875

and then......from $1.171875 to $0.5859375

and then......from $0.5859375 to $0.29296875

and then......from $0.29296875 to $0.146484375

and then......from $0.146484375 to $0.0732421875

go on and on and on..............good deal ????

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:


LOL wtf!


btw im serious.. try taking note next time.. I think more than half of the people who parks have no problems what's so ever.. a few of them are even in the mid 20s too..

probably the area and the timing i guess..since after work, all the people with disability probably are staying at home instead of going through busy traffic.

[Tomy]

Why didn't you say that earlier? Come on guys he had his emergency lights on! Everybody knows you can park wherever you want as long as you turn your emergency lights on.

P.S. :arrowu: sarcasm

agreed emergency light is the immunity..

:D

[jjjjjj]

Why didn't you say that earlier? Come on guys he had his emergency lights on! Everybody knows you can park wherever you want as long as you turn your emergency lights on.

P.S. :arrowu: sarcasm

you definitely got a good discount on your fine if you mention you had your emergency lights on !!!

:cheesygri:cheesygri:cheesygri:cheesygri:cheesygri :cheesygri:cheesygri:cheesygri:cheesygri

[Nikita]

What's wrong with expecting everyone to do the right thing?

Well, let's start with the fact that it's naive to the extreme, as is evidenced by how many people break the law, how many people are in court everyday, how many people are in jails and prisons etc? Need I go on? How many people are assaulted, robbed, murdered, raped etc every day of the week? You, my dear, need a reality check if you think we can rely on everyone always doing the right thing, especially when you brag about parking in a handicapped parking spot so that, god forbid, you don't have to walk a few feet.

The laws were made because of dummies who couldn't figure out the difference between right and wrong...

Are you saying the laws were made for people like you...cuz it appears you'd be correct on that count.;)

And no, I am not whining like a suck, I'm telling you as it is straight up, as my common sense tells me to.

But hey, I guess YOU need all these laws in order to keep your common sense in check... god forbid you question the law or try to make an exception.

(then again, who made this the law anyway? you trust those people to have the same common sense as you, me, the rest of us?)

Well, MY common sense didn't get me a $450 ticket now did it?;)

Do I trust the people who make these laws? It doesn't really matter does it, I trust that if I break them I'll get ticketed. Like you did.;)

And yes, you are whining like a suck.

[jjjjjj]

agreed emergency light is the immunity..

:D

I would have to disagree.

The truth immunity is the handicap permit.

There is an unspoken law, no parking ticket will issue to any cars with a handicap permit on dash.

A friend of mine who's a cop told me that they would never able to convict any parking cases with a handicap permit.

Their objective is cash, so they would go after a easier bait in order to meet their unwritten quota.
:-0:-0:cheesygri:cheesygri:cheesygri:cheesygri:cheesygr i:cheesygri

[fantom]

Well, let's start with the fact that it's naive to the extreme, as is evidenced by how many people break the law, how many people are in court everyday, how many people are in jails and prisons etc? Need I go on? How many people are assaulted, robbed, murdered, raped etc every day of the week? You, my dear, need a reality check if you think we can rely on everyone always doing the right thing, especially when you brag about parking in a handicapped parking spot so that, god forbid, you don't have to walk a few feet.

Are you saying the laws were made for people like you...cuz it appears you'd be correct on that count.;)

Well, MY common sense didn't get me a $450 ticket now did it?;)

Do I trust the people who make these laws? It doesn't really matter does it, I trust that if I break them I'll get ticketed. Like you did.;)

And yes, you are whining like a suck.

Don't patronize me. That's now the way adults talk among each other, dear...

And there's no point in arguing this with someone like yourself - a strict, law abiding citizen that would never ever consider some common sense and trust the person next to you to make the right choice instead of relying on the (sometimes) blanket rules and laws enforced by (sometimes) ignorant officers of law who are trying to meet their daily quota and are looking for "victims" everywhere and anywhere...

Call me naive, but I'd like to think that at the end of the day, we all know what is ultimately right and what is wrong, and can make educated decisions that would benefit all of us without hurting anyone (as I have in this specific case too) without any "outside" help and "nudges", such as the OP's $450 ticket or my $160 ticket, which I am not saying was unwarranted or not).

I'll end it here, as I really don't feel the need to go there and waste my time on this issue any more. You've got your opinion, and I've got mine.

And no, I am not whining like a suck (what kind of a comparison is that anyway? Is that really how you talk to people? how old are you again? 75?) as I walked away from that $160 ticket by simply claiming no guilt on my part, as my common sense urged me to do, and judge agreed with me and "my common sense" as well.

So who wasted whose time and money, really, and who abused who at the end of the day?

;)

[Jon Lai]

Don't patronize me. That's now the way adults talk among each other, dear...

And there's no point in arguing this with someone like yourself - a strict, law abiding citizen that would never ever consider some common sense and trust the person next to you to make the right choice instead of relying on the (sometimes) blanket rules and laws enforced by (sometimes) ignorant officers of law who are trying to meet their daily quota and are looking for "victims" everywhere and anywhere...

Call me naive, but I'd like to think that at the end of the day, we all know what is ultimately right and what is wrong, and can make educated decisions that would benefit all of us without hurting anyone (as I have in this specific case too) without any "outside" help and "nudges", such as the OP's $450 ticket or my $160 ticket, which I am not saying was unwarranted or not).

I'll end it here, as I really don't feel the need to go there and waste my time on this issue any more. You've got your opinion, and I've got mine.

And no, I am not whining like a suck (what kind of a comparison is that anyway? Is that really how you talk to people? how old are you again? 75?) as I walked away from that $160 ticket by simply claiming no guilt on my part, as my common sense urged me to do, and judge agreed with me and "my common sense" as well.

So who wasted whose time and money, really, and who abused who at the end of the day?

;)

@$$holes like you aren't needed. I hope Darwin removes you so my grandkids don't have to deal with you.

[fantom]

@$$holes like you aren't needed. I hope Darwin removes you so my grandkids don't have to deal with you.

Oh, well, isn't that a very constructive comment there...

Do you always resort to personal insults and wishing people were "removed" from this planet (basically wishing them dead) when you don't agree with them or when you've got nothing intelligent to add to the discussion/table?

That's sad.

And what's even more sad is that people like you run certain parts of this country too, and I have to deal with you people on occasion or two as well.

Tsk, tsk, tsk...

[Tomy]

Oh, well, isn't that a very constructive comment there...

Do you always resort to personal insults and wishing people were "removed" from this planet (basically wishing them dead) when you don't agree with them or when you've got nothing intelligent to add to the discussion/table?

That's sad.

And what's even more sad is that people like you run certain parts of this country too, and I have to deal with you people on occasion or two as well.

Tsk, tsk, tsk...

what are u implying?

[tdu]

Oh, well, isn't that a very constructive comment there...

Do you always resort to personal insults and wishing people were "removed" from this planet (basically wishing them dead) when you don't agree with them or when you've got nothing intelligent to add to the discussion/table?

That's sad.

And what's even more sad is that people like you run certain parts of this country too, and I have to deal with you people on occasion or two as well.

Tsk, tsk, tsk...

Wow, you really are a waste of air. You are correct on one thing though, there is no point discussing common sense with you whatsoever. And you are correct that I feel sorry for anyone who has to 'deal' with you in any way. I am glad you are happy in your bitter little world though.

[spf1971]

Don't patronize me. That's now the way adults talk among each other, dear...

And there's no point in arguing this with someone like yourself - a strict, law abiding citizen that would never ever consider some common sense and trust the person next to you to make the right choice instead of relying on the (sometimes) blanket rules and laws enforced by (sometimes) ignorant officers of law who are trying to meet their daily quota and are looking for "victims" everywhere and anywhere...

Call me naive, but I'd like to think that at the end of the day, we all know what is ultimately right and what is wrong, and can make educated decisions that would benefit all of us without hurting anyone (as I have in this specific case too) without any "outside" help and "nudges", such as the OP's $450 ticket or my $160 ticket, which I am not saying was unwarranted or not).

I'll end it here, as I really don't feel the need to go there and waste my time on this issue any more. You've got your opinion, and I've got mine.

And no, I am not whining like a suck (what kind of a comparison is that anyway? Is that really how you talk to people? how old are you again? 75?) as I walked away from that $160 ticket by simply claiming no guilt on my part, as my common sense urged me to do, and judge agreed with me and "my common sense" as well.

So who wasted whose time and money, really, and who abused who at the end of the day?

;)

I don't know if you realize it or not, but tickets can be a pretty hot item on here. There are two main camps; the one that says "pay your tickets and accept responsibility" and then the group that says "You're not guilty until proven guilty". Through your stupidity and ignorance, you have single handedly done what no-one else has ever been able to do. You have united both camps on one side of an issue. While we will never agree on the issue of tickets, we now all think that you deserve the ticket you received.

Bravo for bringing the forum together in this issue.

P.S. Just to be anal, it's "who abused whom"

[fantom]

I am glad you are happy in your bitter little world though.

Even if that was true and I was bitter in some way, I'd still take being happy in a bitter world than feeling pathetic in a happy world ;)

I don't know if you realize it or not, but tickets can be a pretty hot item on here. There are two main camps; the one that says "pay your tickets and accept responsibility" and then the group that says "You're not guilty until proven guilty". Through your stupidity and ignorance, you have single handedly done what no-one else has ever been able to do. You have united both camps on one side of an issue. While we will never agree on the issue of tickets, we now all think that you deserve the ticket you received.

Good to see you speak on behalf of EVERYONE on this forum, as you obviously are well informed of everyone's opinions...

And thanks for pointing out clearly where I demonstrated "stupidity and ignorance" in my opinions stated above.

Great rebuttal.

And thanks for the spell check... God forbid someone misses a key or two while typing.

[tdu]

Even if that was true and I was bitter in some way, I'd still take being happy in a bitter world than feeling pathetic in a happy world ;)



Good to see you speak on behalf of EVERYONE on this forum, as you obviously are well informed of everyone's opinions...

And thanks for pointing out clearly where I demonstrated "stupidity and ignorance" in my opinions stated above.

Great rebuttal.

And thanks for the spell check... God forbid someone misses a key or two while typing.

Or happy being a troll on an internet forum. Which is about as low as it gets.

[fantom]

Or happy being a troll on an internet forum. Which is about as low as it gets.

I like your thinking - when you can't intelligently argue with me (even though there is no argument, as I am just stating my own opinion on the situation) you resort to the insults.

Does that satisfy you in some way, calling other people you can't agree with or argue with names, trying to make them look and feel "lower" than you?

Hmm... that's a healthy habit you got there.

[tdu]

I am finished with my replies to your posts at this point. You can feel free to keep on proving you are a troll though. You are doing a great job, and don't need my help. There are plenty of other people you can continue to insult in the thread who are a lot more upset at you than I am. So you don't have to miss me too much :)

[fantom]

I am finished with my replies to your posts at this point. You can feel free to keep on proving you are a troll though. You are doing a great job, and don't need my help. There are plenty of other people you can continue to insult in the thread who are a lot more upset at you than I am. So you don't have to miss me too much :)

insult people?

can you find me ONE SPECIFIC EXAMPLE where I actually insulted someone without you just throwing accusations and B.S. around like it's a proven fact of sort?

if anyone is ignorant and stupid around here, it's you.

and there, that qualifies as an insult, if you're really having a hard time finding an example in my previous posts (if you're going to accuse me of anything, at least have decency to quote/reference where I was guilty of it... otherwise, no offense, but keep your mouth shut, bro).

geez...

[originalnutta]

aaaaaaaaaaand its time for a lock.