Only if you come from Somalia.......

[vedia]

Man jailed for 'brazen' attack
KITCHENER

A man who violently mugged a woman coming out of a Waterloo pet store was sentenced yesterday to nine months in jail.

Nuradin Mohamed, 27, waved at his sisters as he was led into custody in Kitchener's Ontario Court.

Court heard earlier he comes from a well-off family and there appeared to be little motivation for robbing the woman in the parking lot of a Waterloo plaza on Aug. 31, 2006.

Lena Paszek, 57, was leaving the Pet Cetera store, carrying her purse and bags, when Mohamed ran out from between two parked cars.

It was 10 a.m. and there were people around. Mohamed had a bandana over his face.

He ordered Paszek to "Give it up, b----.''

He couldn't get her purse and there was a struggle. Mohamed hit Paszek on the nose with his fist, then punched her on the collarbone.

Her purse came loose. She fell against a car, setting off the alarm and alerting citizens who rushed to help.

Mohamed's lawyer had asked for a conditional sentence of house arrest. Harold Cox had argued Mohamed shouldn't be sent to jail because he had a traumatic childhood in Somalia where he was exposed to extreme violence as a boy.

The Crown sought a one-year jail term.

Justice Sharon Nicklas rejected house arrest because of the violence involved in the "brazen offence,'' which was carried out in a public place in the morning.

"He attacked a complete stranger while wearing a disguise,'' she said.

A conditional sentence would not be proportionate to the gravity of the crime or reflect Mohamed's moral blameworthiness, she said.

"I'm mindful you had a very difficult time growing up,'' Nicklas added. "You've seen atrocities people in Canada would not be exposed to.''

She reduced the sentence by three months because of this.

The victim had bruises and scratches to her face and neck, and suffered recurring nightmares. Fearing Mohamed might show up at her door, she moved.

"I just hope he gets the help he needs,'' Paszek said outside court. "I don't know if (jail) is going to help or hinder. I think he needs some psychological help.''

She still has the nightmares but said, "I moved, so I feel better now where I am.''

Paszek said she doesn't accept that Mohamed's background explains his behaviour that day. She said her mother was in camps in Poland during the Second World War and saw a lot of terrible things.

"My mother was in war. But she would not raise her finger to anybody,'' Paszek said.

A man who was driving a car Mohamed jumped into after the robbery was acquitted of robbery. Tarig Osman testified that Mohamed admitted the robbery to him.

Paszek couldn't identify Mohamed because of the bandana. But a citizen followed Mohamed, saw him get into the car and noted the licence-plate number.


http://news.therecord.com/article/517795

[fakishan]

they taking our jobs!

[ullyeus]

She moved cause she got mugged? That's pretty tense...I've been mugged and know lots of other people who have been mugged and never would have considered moving....

[ricoboxing]

Im sure he'll be out in a few weeks to rob people again! remember we live in socialist Canada. Criminals have more rights than citizens.

[Minh]

dam pirates...... :mad:

[fakishan]

Repasting news without some input from the OP should be considered spam.

What did you want to discuss?

What are ordinary decent canadian-born criminals to do if all these foreign criminals come here and take our criminal jobs?

Should we not accept Somalian immigrants, you know cause they are black and muslim?

Should we deport foreigners who commit crimes?

[Frankie3s]

Thank god the judge was sensible enough not to let him loose on a conditional release. The really sad news is how people can use their childhoods as an excuse for committing new crimes. My parent's never bought me a GI-Joe collection as a kid, does that entitle me to a complimentary murder of any two people of my choosing? I know my example is a bit extreme but it looks like this is what everything is coming to.

[fiiibra]

Everybody chooses a path in life, no matter the background.

Obviously he knows robbing someone and hurting someone are "bad".

People beg to be treated equally when it benefits them, and then choose to be different when it doesn't. Not just Somalians, everyone.

And yes, I believe if you are an immigrant and you commit a crime, you should be deported.

[Rehan]

You'd have to be pretty naive and uninformed about the court system to think this happens "Only if you come from Somalia"...

Childhood difficulty/family history is often used to appeal for leniency by defense counsels, even for people born and raised here.

[fakishan]

And yes, I believe if you are an immigrant and you commit a crime, you should be deported.

Why the limitation to immigrants, why not anyone commiting a crime? I could get behind a though stance on serious crime, two strikes and you're out, forever.

[YoungDr3amer]

The bag's brand was Gucci, tempting, no? :cheesygri

Heck, I'd punch out some 12 year old little princess for a Gucci bag. Cha-Ching!






I'm only kidding, honestly, there should of been a real punishment. Nine months is not acceptable in my opinion for the physical & psychological abuse forced upon that woman.

[fakishan]

I'm only kidding, honestly, there should of been a real punishment. Three months is not acceptable in my opinion for the physical abuse forced upon that woman.

What kind of sentence do you think would be more fitting for this particular crime?

[bokep]

Everybody chooses a path in life, no matter the background.

Obviously he knows robbing someone and hurting someone are "bad".

People beg to be treated equally when it benefits them, and then choose to be different when it doesn't. Not just Somalians, everyone.

And yes, I believe if you are an immigrant and you commit a crime, you should be deported.

:lol:

Use your brain next time.

[YoungDr3amer]

What kind of sentence do you think would be more fitting for this particular crime?

Honestly, if this victim was my mother, I would seek the highest extent of prosecution. Psychological treatment is now needed for the victim, she experienced serious anxiety forcing her to move for the fear of potentially being re-attacked and reoccuring nightmares, nine months definitely does not offer the victim justice.

[ullyeus]

You'd have to be pretty naive and uninformed about the court system to think this happens "Only if you come from Somalia"...

Childhood difficulty/family history is often used to appeal for leniency by defense counsels, even for people born and raised here.

Why the limitation to immigrants, why not anyone commiting a crime? I could get behind a though stance on serious crime, two strikes and you're out, forever.

agreed and agreed.

Hell...I'd settle for 5 strikes...or 10....I'm so sick or seeing criminals get "caught" and then saying "they were well known to police and had over 60 convictions"....yeah...like thats a good candidate for rehab...

[fakishan]

Oh I believe in rehabilitation, but you have to be able to say that after x time, a person is just not worth saving anymore.

[Dash]

hot damn. I wish I was there when this was happening. I would have loved to see what this mofo would do against someone his own size. what a coward.

[Sepiraph]

they taking our jobs!

The jobs of the criminals?

[Nikita]

If you believe your title, you are seriously naive. People's backgrounds are considered in sentencing no matter where they come from, even Canadian born citizens. Take your racist mind elsewhere please. And it wouldn't hurt to learn a thing or two about our justice system if your going to comment on it.

Thank god the judge was sensible enough not to let him loose on a conditional release. The really sad news is how people can use their childhoods as an excuse for committing new crimes. My parent's never bought me a GI-Joe collection as a kid, does that entitle me to a complimentary murder of any two people of my choosing? I know my example is a bit extreme but it looks like this is what everything is coming to.

More than a bit extreme...:rolleyes:. You obviously have no conception about how one's chidhood/formative experiences impact on people as they beome adults. Some rise above it, some succumb to it...just like some of us have a stronger constitution than others.

You'd have to be pretty naive and uninformed about the court system to think this happens "Only if you come from Somalia"...

Childhood difficulty/family history is often used to appeal for leniency by defense counsels, even for people born and raised here.

+1

What kind of sentence do you think would be more fitting for this particular crime?

Honestly, if this victim was my mother, I would seek the highest extent of prosecution. Psychological treatment is now needed for the victim, she experienced serious anxiety forcing her to move for the fear of potentially being re-attacked and reoccuring nightmares, nine months definitely does not offer the victim justice.

That doesn't really answer the question? What exactly is the 'highest extent of prosecution' to you?

[ThinkOutsideTheBox]

My parent's never bought me a GI-Joe collection as a kid, does that entitle me to a complimentary murder of any two people of my choosing? I know my example is a bit extreme but it looks like this is what everything is coming to.
....GI-Joe rejection vs. childhood of war & atrocities....interesting comparison.

People beg to be treated equally when it benefits them, and then choose to be different when it doesn't. Not just Somalians, everyone.

And yes, I believe if you are an immigrant and you commit a crime, you should be deported.
True enough, thats why the law tries to be as impartial as possible, so that everyone can use the same loopholes. What level of crime would you consider for deportation? Stealing candy, murder? It would be interesting to see what people would set as the 'deportation' limit.


Why the limitation to immigrants, why not anyone commiting a crime? I could get behind a though stance on serious crime, two strikes and you're out, forever.
Again, what defines serious crime? And where would you deport citizens to....the moon?

Honestly, if this victim was my mother, I would seek the highest extent of prosecution. Psychological treatment is now needed for the victim, she experienced serious anxiety forcing her to move for the fear of potentially being re-attacked and reoccuring nightmares, nine months definitely does not offer the victim justice.
And since she wasn't your mother, perhaps you can tell us what you think the non-emotional, rational legal response should be?

agreed and agreed.

Hell...I'd settle for 5 strikes...or 10....I'm so sick or seeing criminals get "caught" and then saying "they were well known to police and had over 60 convictions"....yeah...like thats a good candidate for rehab...
Its tough to argue with you here. There are a lot of criminals that are repeat offenders, but I'm not sure how/where we could deport them to.


Oh I believe in rehabilitation, but you have to be able to say that after x time, a person is just not worth saving anymore.
True enough.

[Frankie3s]

No one get's out of life alive (I know very original and Thanks), maybe it's Karma (as Deepak often says). I think if it happened to you those who feel sorry for this guy would turn into hypocrites in an instant.

Whatever your "hang up" is, it isn't justifiable ever to take it out on someone else. Shoot your parents if you have to but leave the innocent victims alone.

[custy]

Maybe capital punishment would deter future crimes?

[fakishan]

Maybe capital punishment would deter future crimes?

I hear it works well in America (not it doesn't). If you are seriously interested in finding out more about this issue, drop me a PM.

Crime in our wonderful canada has been following a long and steady downtrend, and every other country I can think of is much much worse off.

http://www40.statcan.gc.ca/l01/cst01/legal02-eng.htm

[15-20_God]

Maybe capital punishment would deter future crimes?

that'll probably work as well as making crime illegal.

[ThinkOutsideTheBox]

No one get's out of life alive (I know very original and Thanks), maybe it's Karma (as Deepak often says). I think if it happened to you those who feel sorry for this guy would turn into hypocrites in an instant.

Whatever your "hang up" is, it isn't justifiable ever to take it out on someone else. Shoot your parents if you have to but leave the innocent victims alone.

Of course we would turn into hypocrites...we'd be reacting from a purely emotional standpoint, rendering our ability to examine the overall effectiveness of the laws/lack of laws inert. That's why jury members are reviewed to see if they have any personal biases, beliefs, etc, that would force them to use emotion to examine a set of facts.

[ThinkOutsideTheBox]

Maybe capital punishment would deter future crimes?

Maybe I'm misunderstanding, but you want to kill this guy because it would deter other people from stealing purses and punching people?

[Nikita]

Maybe capital punishment would deter future crimes?

No. It doesn't. Disabuse yourself of that myth, cuz that's all it is.

[Emancipated]

People who are not naturalized citizens should be sent back to their country and let their authorities deal with them. Robbery, raping, attempted murder, etc. perps should be sent back and not let them burden our system. I just hate reading how their lawyers say they will be hanged (or hung?) if they get sent back and plead for asylum. Too bad I say; they should have thought about that before they robbed/raped/killed someone.

[laptop-tech]

People who commit crimes should be given a second chance in life.

They should be handcuffed, with the hands on their backs, then left in the open ocean, between New Zealand and Chile. If they can swim to the coast, then they deserve the second chance in life.

Simple and fair.

[pablonutribar]

People who are not naturalized citizens should be sent back to their country and let their authorities deal with them. Robbery, raping, attempted murder, etc. perps should be sent back and not let them burden our system. I just hate reading how their lawyers say they will be hanged (or hung?) if they get sent back and plead for asylum. Too bad I say; they should have thought about that before they robbed/raped/killed someone.

It is my understanding that 'new immigrants' who have not yet received citizenship CAN be refused citizenship if convicted of crimes. My father told me a story of an African taxi driver who threatened him once. The guy pleaded with my father not to press charges, as he knew it would affect his citizenship application. Lucky for that guy, the old man was spending a lot of time working in Africa during that period, so my father let it slide.

Once they have citizenship they have all the same rights as anyone else (and rightly so).

[ivica5683]

People who commit crimes should be given a second chance in life.

They should be handcuffed, with the hands on their backs, then left in the open ocean, between New Zealand and Chile. If they can swim to the coast, then they deserve the second chance in life.

Simple and fair.


+1 Totally agree.

This guy is a rat, picking on an old lady. I would feel no guilt breaking his legs and allowing him to swim for his life. How would any of us feel if it was our mother. The people who show no respect in life, deserve no respect,

Hang the ass.

Doesn't matter, black, white, yellow show respect or you are done.

[DGTD]

WATERLOO?

HA

You can count the number of black ppl in waterloo with one hand.....

[Nikita]

People who are not naturalized citizens should be sent back to their country and let their authorities deal with them. Robbery, raping, attempted murder, etc. perps should be sent back and not let them burden our system. I just hate reading how their lawyers say they will be hanged (or hung?) if they get sent back and plead for asylum. Too bad I say; they should have thought about that before they robbed/raped/killed someone.

Hey now, don't be blaming lawyers for policy set by the government. It's Canada's policy not to send someone back to a country where they might face capital punishment or torture, so blame the Federal government, but this is one you can't put on lawyers.

[bnammo]

I think he deserves a second chance...

[blakjak]

they taking our jobs!

Freakin' right! We have perfectly good criminals here that will now have to compete with the imports. Must we outsource everything?

[Ziggy007]

Man jailed for 'brazen' attack
KITCHENER

A man who violently mugged a woman coming out of a Waterloo pet store was sentenced yesterday to nine months in jail.

Nuradin Mohamed, 27, waved at his sisters as he was led into custody in Kitchener's Ontario Court.

Court heard earlier he comes from a well-off family and there appeared to be little motivation for robbing the woman in the parking lot of a Waterloo plaza on Aug. 31, 2006.

Lena Paszek, 57, was leaving the Pet Cetera store, carrying her purse and bags, when Mohamed ran out from between two parked cars.

It was 10 a.m. and there were people around. Mohamed had a bandana over his face.

He ordered Paszek to "Give it up, b----.''

He couldn't get her purse and there was a struggle. Mohamed hit Paszek on the nose with his fist, then punched her on the collarbone.

Her purse came loose. She fell against a car, setting off the alarm and alerting citizens who rushed to help.

Mohamed's lawyer had asked for a conditional sentence of house arrest. Harold Cox had argued Mohamed shouldn't be sent to jail because he had a traumatic childhood in Somalia where he was exposed to extreme violence as a boy.

The Crown sought a one-year jail term.

Justice Sharon Nicklas rejected house arrest because of the violence involved in the "brazen offence,'' which was carried out in a public place in the morning.

"He attacked a complete stranger while wearing a disguise,'' she said.

A conditional sentence would not be proportionate to the gravity of the crime or reflect Mohamed's moral blameworthiness, she said.

"I'm mindful you had a very difficult time growing up,'' Nicklas added. "You've seen atrocities people in Canada would not be exposed to.''

She reduced the sentence by three months because of this.

The victim had bruises and scratches to her face and neck, and suffered recurring nightmares. Fearing Mohamed might show up at her door, she moved.

"I just hope he gets the help he needs,'' Paszek said outside court. "I don't know if (jail) is going to help or hinder. I think he needs some psychological help.''

She still has the nightmares but said, "I moved, so I feel better now where I am.''

Paszek said she doesn't accept that Mohamed's background explains his behaviour that day. She said her mother was in camps in Poland during the Second World War and saw a lot of terrible things.

"My mother was in war. But she would not raise her finger to anybody,'' Paszek said.

A man who was driving a car Mohamed jumped into after the robbery was acquitted of robbery. Tarig Osman testified that Mohamed admitted the robbery to him.

Paszek couldn't identify Mohamed because of the bandana. But a citizen followed Mohamed, saw him get into the car and noted the licence-plate number.


http://news.therecord.com/article/517795

Funny, if he will use a childhood that made him a nor so nice member of society to get off of jail time I would agree. Except I would also agree that he probably isn't fit to live a normal life in Canada and give him the option of 5 years in a psych hospital or tell him he can go back to Somalia.

I wish someone would turn these dumb excuses back around on people.

[Digital_Domain]

I don't get what makes this story special from all of the other brazen daylight muggings.... Is it just because he was from Somalia that makes it note-worthy?
They should be handcuffed, with the hands on their backs, then left in the open ocean, between New Zealand and Chile. If they can swim to the coast, then they deserve the second chance in life.

Simple and fair.
Not really fair... your arms help you keep your head above water while you can use them to pull you forward. Disabling your arms creates quite a challenge for any accomplished swimmer. I think most would resort to treading water in order to stay a float, but you don't get very far when treading water. Handcuffing legs together on the other hand is much more "fair". At least you can actually somewhat swim forward.

Btw, I agree something should be done about those who constantly re-offend. I'm all for giving second chances, but I think we need to draw a line where you don't deserve anymore chances.

[danfromwaterloo]

I too believe refugees should be deported if they commit a felony-grade or violent crime.

You are in this country to escape violence in the place you came. If you add to the violence in this country, you should forfeit your ability to stay here.

We have one of the largest immigration percentages in the world, one I'm very proud of. A very large number of them contribute to making our society better. For every one that gets in, there are three or four that want in. So, if someone is going to abuse the privledge they were granted, someone else is dying to take their place. Let them.

[G-Yo]

People who are not naturalized citizens should be sent back to their country and let their authorities deal with them. Robbery, raping, attempted murder, etc. perps should be sent back and not let them burden our system. I just hate reading how their lawyers say they will be hanged (or hung?) if they get sent back and plead for asylum. Too bad I say; they should have thought about that before they robbed/raped/killed someone.

It would be really interesting to know the % of immigrants who commit crimes (violent and petty) and the % of born and raised Canadians who commit crimes ?

I suspect the numbers would be close to equal.

[Flyer]

Solution: Starcraft-style neural resocialization and "voluntary" service as a soldier...I am sure the US would apperciate that as well...

[Rishi]

I too believe refugees should be deported if they commit a felony-grade or violent crime.

You are in this country to escape violence in the place you came. If you add to the violence in this country, you should forfeit your ability to stay here.

We have one of the largest immigration percentages in the world, one I'm very proud of. A very large number of them contribute to making our society better. For every one that gets in, there are three or four that want in. So, if someone is going to abuse the privledge they were granted, someone else is dying to take their place. Let them.
Completely agree.

[tataynik]

they taking our jobs!

If some Somalian who mugs old people have taken your job, you have a really big problem!!

[partytime2009]

Only if you come from Somalia?

What is the need for having this crime published on this website? Somalians on the whole are law abiding citizens in Canada and I am skeptical about the intentions of the OP posting this.

WHY ISN'T THIS POST BEING LOCKED...Is seems to be very political in nature to me. This whole post cries of race baiting and immigrant bashing.

[JohnB]

I wish he would try to mug me instead of a 57 year old lady so I could beat the **** out him :mad:

Seriously how pathetic do you have to be to steal old ladies purses, LOL. He should be deported back the Somalia, we dont need people like that here.

[YYZFA]

People who are not naturalized citizens should be sent back to their country and let their authorities deal with them. Robbery, raping, attempted murder, etc. perps should be sent back and not let them burden our system. I just hate reading how their lawyers say they will be hanged (or hung?) if they get sent back and plead for asylum. Too bad I say; they should have thought about that before they robbed/raped/killed someone.

So if a non-citizen is accused of committing a crime in Canada, they are to be sent back to there country of origin, so as not to burden our legal system? What if they are innocent? Don't they deserve a trial before they are deported? If they are guilty, shouldn't they serve Canadian justice, as the crime they committed occurred in Canada? I'm really not comfortable with convicted criminals being summarily tortured or executed abroad, no matter what crime they committed in Canada. Your solutions are too simplistic for true justice to occur.

Oh, and it's "hanged". Clothes and similar items are "hung" while people are "hanged".

[danfromwaterloo]

So if a non-citizen is accused of committing a crime in Canada, they are to be sent back to there country of origin, so as not to burden our legal system? What if they are innocent? Don't they deserve a trial before they are deported? If they are guilty, shouldn't they serve Canadian justice, as the crime they committed occurred in Canada? I'm really not comfortable with convicted criminals being summarily tortured or executed abroad, no matter what crime they committed in Canada. Your solutions are too simplistic for true justice to occur.

Oh, and it's "hanged". Clothes and similar items are "hung" while people are "hanged".

I would think that they would go through due process while here to verify they committed the crime. Once found guilty, they could be put on the plane back to wherever they came from.