Is this a crazy ask for a2006 - 2007 CTS-V?

[redbulldrinker]

I'm in the market for a used car. The one I really like is the CTS-V.

But, for me to consider it, I would want a deal to be close to the following:

(Edited)Year:2006 - 2007
Price:@$25,000+Tax
Under 50,000 Km, I.e Factory warranty left, or extended thrown in with the deal
Down payment and tradein mix of $4000
48 Month Loan term
Interest rate on the loan at @5% - 5.5% or under

I have Top Rated Credit, but don't want to use cash in my HELOC, as this is a safety net for the future just in case.

Is this doable, or am I smoking crack?

Oh, and a set of winter tires thrown in for luck, and Red is better ;)

[Engi-Nir]

2007 Cadillac CTS CTS-V 4D Sedan 48K km

Low: $19,349.00 High: $21,733.00 BLACK BOOK without Navigation
Low: $21,416.00 High: $23,800.00 with Navigation

[Jon04CTS]

2007 Cadillac CTS CTS-V 4D Sedan 48K km

Low: $19,349.00 High: $21,733.00 BLACK BOOK without Navigation
Low: $21,416.00 High: $23,800.00 with Navigation

Yeah, that's completely wrong.

You can't get a CTS-V without nav.



And $25k for a '07 CTS-V... Dream on. You won't even get one for $35k. They're going for about $33k USD.

[redbulldrinker]

Why are the 2007 $10,000+ than the 2006's?

[Jon04CTS]

Why are the 2007 $10,000+ than the 2006's?

Show me a '06 for $25k CAD. If it's out there it's beat to **** or previously wrecked.

[Rehan]

I vote for crack.

There are currently no 2007 CTS-V's listed in the Auto Trader for Ontario. You could go to BC and get one for $40k -- http://www.canadatrader.com/result/detailinfo.aspx?ID=771532 (but it's not red).

With such low supply on a nice car, you're not exactly going to get a deal.

[redbulldrinker]

Maybe a 2006 then, seems to be a few close to that

[Jon04CTS]

Maybe a 2006 then, seems to be a few close to that

If you can find a '06 for $25k I assure you something's wrong with it or it's been beat to ****.

Do a search in the US for '06s. http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/searchresults.jsp?num_records=25&search_lang=en&page_location=findacar%3A%3Aispsearchform&search_type=both&distance=0&address=48034&marketZipError=false&style_flag=1&make=CAD&model=CTS&make2=&start_year=2006&end_year=2006&min_price=&max_price=&seller_type=b&transmission=Manual&engine=&drive=&doors=&fuel=&max_mileage=&color=&keywordsrep=&keywordsfyc=&keywords_display=&sort_type=priceDESC&body_code=0&certified=&advanced=y&highlightFirstMakeModel=&showZipError=n&default_sort=priceDESC&awsp=false&keywordsrep=&keywordsfyc=&systime=&rdm=1239142008462

They're all around $26-$30k USD. There's an odd one at $22k.

[redbulldrinker]

Getting close:

http://www.trader.ca/powerpage/details.aspx?vlotid=1540565&adid=7583910

[Jon04CTS]

Getting close:

http://www.trader.ca/powerpage/details.aspx?vlotid=1540565&adid=7583910


Go check it out and tell us the mileage on that.

[Engi-Nir]

Well, wait next year, get the 09 CTS-V :D That is a sweet ride...

http://autoblog.royfoss.com/images/cts/8.jpg

http://autoblog.royfoss.com/images/cts/6.jpg

and I love the specs of it ;)

[ES_Revenge]

Well, wait next year, get the 09 CTS-V :D That is a sweet ride...

and I love the specs of it ;)
For sure. Incredible power and performance, but $$$; and no leasing one either, so even tougher to afford driving one...

[Engi-Nir]

For sure. Incredible power and performance, but $$$; and no leasing one either, so even tougher to afford driving one...

dude, what are talking about, most on RFD will tell you a civic/corolla is still a better buy :lol:

[ac328]

dude, what are talking about, most on RFD will tell you a civic/corolla is still a better buy :lol:

LOL.

Not sure why the 09 CTS V was mentioned when the OP won't even pay market value for a used one, sweet ride or not.

Also, not to burst OP's bubble but high powered cars tend to come with high powered running costs, hoped you also budgeted for premium gas, fast wearing tires, big expensive brake jobs, etc.

[redbulldrinker]

LOL.

Not sure why the 09 CTS V was mentioned when the OP won't even pay market value for a used one, sweet ride or not.

Also, not to burst OP's bubble but high powered cars tend to come with high powered running costs, hoped you also budgeted for premium gas, fast wearing tires, big expensive brake jobs, etc.

Yes, but that wasn't my original question but thanks for the info. Oh, and you forgot insurance costs and winter tires, and fwiw I never had a bubble.

[ES_Revenge]

dude, what are talking about, most on RFD will tell you a civic/corolla is still a better buy :lol:
Ha yeah I 'forgot' about the first rule of RFD MVA--You don't buy cars that aren't the Civic/Corolla :lol:


fwiw I never had a bubble.
Oh no? Let's recap. Not sure why as this is still on page one but here we go...

I'm in the market for a used car. The one I really like is the CTS-V.

(Edited)Year:2006 - 2007
Price:@$25,000+Tax
Under 50,000 Km, I.e Factory warranty left, or extended thrown in with the deal

Is this doable, or am I smoking crack?

Oh, and a set of winter tires thrown in for luck, and Red is better ;)

And $25k for a '07 CTS-V... Dream on. You won't even get one for $35k. They're going for about $33k USD.

Show me a '06 for $25k CAD. If it's out there it's beat to **** or previously wrecked.

I vote for crack.

With such low supply on a nice car, you're not exactly going to get a deal.

So yeah if you're not in a bubble about getting a low km 06-07 CTS-V with "thrown in" winter tyres for $25k, then you surely must be on crack! :lol:

Let us all know when you find this car for this price (with the free winter tyres too). Oh and don't try bumping this thread in 2012 saying you found it :lol:

[KawaiiTentacleBeast]

The black book is trade in value, not retail. It also says a 2007 Z06 is worth $45k.

I dunno, call up some sellers and offer them $25k for their 2 year old CTS-V and see what they say? Never know until you try. :lol:

[airodus]

For sure. Incredible power and performance, but $$$; and no leasing one either, so even tougher to afford driving one...

The 09 CTS-V will become a collector's item if GM goes under heheh. Best performance sedan in the market, it will definitely live to be an American legend. I got an 09 CTS4, not nearly as cool, but still a sweet ride.

[rexio83]

If 25k is your budget, it will be tough getting into an 06-07, but you shouldn't have a problem finding a clean 05

[redbulldrinker]

If 25k is your budget, it will be tough getting into an 06-07, but you shouldn't have a problem finding a clean 05

Thanks a simple normal answer without insults of juvenile comments.

I love how the young ones in here go, $35k is a bargain, but would never buy it themselves, only saying if they had the money. Well if I had a million I'd buy a Aston Martin as well, but I don't so it's a worthless comment I'd be making. I do have $26k+tax available.

The market price of something, not to state the obvious is what someone is willing to pay. I can stretch my price if I wish, but I'll start there as why the hell not. It's within 20% of what people think is the true value. It may have been noticed it is not exactly a sellers market out there, and a guaranteed sale at $25-$26k for a 06 is better than a lot of 'maybe buys' by 20 somethings on a forum.

Asking $xx for something does not make it worth that. To me an 06 is worth tops $26k. That does not mean to others it's not worth loads more. But I imagine a lots less people are plonking down $30k+ for a used GM vehicle, big engine or not. It's still only a car, that depreciates in a market where 1 in 10 will be without a job within 12 months, and the manufacturer will probably be gone.

[redbulldrinker]

Have you looked at the Civic or Corolla? They are much better buys.

Your funny

[JohnB]

To get back on track, I think these are awesome looking cars:

http://www.cadillacauto.net/images/cadillac-cts-v-2009-712496.jpg

But as to gettting a well cared for 06/07 for under 25k, its not possible. Maybe the regular version but not a CTS-V.

[redbulldrinker]

To get back on track, I think these are awesome looking cars:

http://www.cadillacauto.net/images/cadillac-cts-v-2009-712496.jpg

But as to gettting a well cared for 06/07 for under 25k, its not possible. Maybe the regular version but not a CTS-V.

Cheers, I can go few grand more if I want, but we will see. In this economy the rules are out the window.

[Engi-Nir]

The 09 CTS-V will become a collector's item if GM goes under heheh. Best performance sedan in the market, it will definitely live to be an American legend. I got an 09 CTS4, not nearly as cool, but still a sweet ride.

Chevrolet/Cadillac will be around forever

Anything Pontiac/GMC/Saturn/Saab/etc will be collectors items lol

Btw: how much was the 09 CTS4 on the road? navi also?

[Kayne]

To get back on track, I think these are awesome looking cars:

http://www.cadillacauto.net/images/cadillac-cts-v-2009-712496.jpg

But as to gettting a well cared for 06/07 for under 25k, its not possible. Maybe the regular version but not a CTS-V.

x3

[airodus]

Chevrolet/Cadillac will be around forever

Anything Pontiac/GMC/Saturn/Saab/etc will be collectors items lol

Btw: how much was the 09 CTS4 on the road? navi also?

48k all in. AWD/auto, direct injection, performance package, sunroof, wood trim, white diamond paint, delivery, fees, taxes, etc. No navi, sight/sound, luxury package since they don't interest me. Pretty good deal. It might be even cheaper now since I know they have sweetened some of their promotions.

I even got the protection package cause they gave me the platinum package plus 3M rock guard for $750. Expensive, but not a total rip off since they usually ask at least twice that much (and rock guard would cost me $500 to do on my own anyways).

Anyways, definitely a good time to buy a car these days. Used cars are terrific bargains. My one regret was not looking at the used market, the CTS was kind of an impulse buy cause my old car was giving me headaches. But for a new car, definitely one of the best cars on the road in all respects.

[Engi-Nir]

48k all in. AWD/auto, direct injection, performance package, sunroof, wood trim, white diamond paint, delivery, fees, taxes, etc. No navi, sight/sound, luxury package since they don't interest me. Pretty good deal. It might be even cheaper now since I know they have sweetened some of their promotions.

I even got the protection package cause they gave me the platinum package plus 3M rock guard for $750. Expensive, but not a total rip off since they usually ask at least twice that much (and rock guard would cost me $500 to do on my own anyways).

Anyways, definitely a good time to buy a car these days. Used cars are terrific bargains. My one regret was not looking at the used market, the CTS was kind of an impulse buy cause my old car was giving me headaches. But for a new car, definitely one of the best cars on the road in all respects.

Financing? and if so what rate/years

[redbulldrinker]

Go check it out and tell us the mileage on that.


It was 82,000km, Canadian car off-lease clean sold for $27,000

[bahasad]

I know you were looking for a CTS-V, but since they are a bit out of your price range, why not consider an E36 BMW M3...2002-2003 should be in your price range. If you need four doors, consider the Audi S4 and the Mercedes AMG C-Class, for high performance cars.

[redbulldrinker]

I know you were looking for a CTS-V, but since they are a bit out of your price range, why not consider an E36 BMW M3...2002-2003 should be in your price range. If you need four doors, consider the Audi S4 and the Mercedes AMG C-Class, for high performance cars.


They are not out of my price range. I just am not willing to pay more than 26k+tax or so for a 3 year old GM car in the current environment with all that is going on, big engine or not.

The rest as they say is all driven by emotion, I'm taking a position, most likely won't find a car for that type of money, but it cost me nothing to ask. If I do, cool. If not, then I'll find something else.

Either way, I'll be getting myself something that I am sure I'll be happy with.

I even considered the new Hyundai Genesis sedan, but think a used car can offer as good as value for less money.

[downloader]

dude, what are talking about, most on rfd will tell you a civic/corolla is still a better buy :lol:

+1

[airodus]

They are not out of my price range. I just am not willing to pay more than 26k+tax or so for a 3 year old GM car in the current environment with all that is going on, big engine or not.

The rest as they say is all driven by emotion, I'm taking a position, most likely won't find a car for that type of money, but it cost me nothing to ask. If I do, cool. If not, then I'll find something else.

Either way, I'll be getting myself something that I am sure I'll be happy with.

I even considered the new Hyundai Genesis sedan, but think a used car can offer as good as value for less money.

All the power to you. That's exactly the attitude you should be taking in today's market. There are some extremely good deals out there, you just have to be patient and diligent.

My friend scored a loaded 2005 Audi A6 for 8 grand in January. We thought there had to be something wrong for sure. But we checked the VIN, no accidents. Brought it to Audi, VW and a private mechanic to check out, and it was fine. 3 months later it's still running like a champ. Some people are just that desperate.

[JohnB]

All the power to you. That's exactly the attitude you should be taking in today's market. There are some extremely good deals out there, you just have to be patient and diligent.

My friend scored a loaded 2005 Audi A6 for 8 grand in January. We thought there had to be something wrong for sure. But we checked the VIN, no accidents. Brought it to Audi, VW and a private mechanic to check out, and it was fine. 3 months later it's still running like a champ. Some people are just that desperate.

Wow that sounds like a super deal, I know someone who bought a 2000 Passat for $6,000 LOL.

May I ask the mileage on the A6??? Because even wholesale is a lot more than 8,000CAD.

Even a 2005 Honda Civic is more than $8,000.

[JohnB]

All the power to you. That's exactly the attitude you should be taking in today's market. There are some extremely good deals out there, you just have to be patient and diligent.

My friend scored a loaded 2005 Audi A6 for 8 grand in January. We thought there had to be something wrong for sure. But we checked the VIN, no accidents. Brought it to Audi, VW and a private mechanic to check out, and it was fine. 3 months later it's still running like a champ. Some people are just that desperate.

Something must be really wrong here, I just checked BlackBook value on an 05 A6 80,000KM with the 3.2L.
Low $18,300
Hign $21,300
So its probably stolen or something if you bought it for $8,000 which is nothing...

[JohnB]

Hmmmmmmm...

For the OP, I just Blackbooked an 06 CTS-V 50,000km.
Low $17,600
High $19,600

I didnt know they were that cheap...:confused:

[JohnB]

http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/5523/96778829.png

[urameatball]

There was an 06 CTS-V on kijiji earlier this year for $24000.
Sold very quickly.

I was very tempted to pick it up but checked the forums and they seem to be fairly unreliable. Thought about keeping it until the warranty expired but then I just didn't want to bother with having to bring the car to the shop every few months.

[navyseals]

The black book/blue book values are always way under asking prices lol. Keep searching around and you may be lucky. One will pop up and you're going to have to grab it right away.

[airodus]

Something must be really wrong here, I just checked BlackBook value on an 05 A6 80,000KM with the 3.2L.
Low $18,300
Hign $21,300
So its probably stolen or something if you bought it for $8,000 which is nothing...

Yah, it was stupid cheap. But the mechanicals checked out, the VIN came back clean, not really too sure what else to do. The guys at Audi even confirmed he was the original owner and did all the servicing through them. But they wouldn't buy it from him for a reasonable deal because they had too many used cars on the lot. Audi offered him 8k which is why he turned around and just sold it privately. He figured he'd rather give someone a deal than let Audi make a profit wholesaling the car. He was pretty mad at Audi for a number of reasons, which I can completely understand since I used that nightmare of a dealer to service my old A4 (only Audi in town).

To the post above yours, the mileage was 93k. So fairly high, but not unreasonable.

And to the OP, I was putzing around kijiji and there's quite a few CTS-Vs that almost fit your profile. You should try your luck there.

[redbulldrinker]

Yah, it was stupid cheap. But the mechanicals checked out, the VIN came back clean, not really too sure what else to do. The guys at Audi even confirmed he was the original owner and did all the servicing through them. But they wouldn't buy it from him for a reasonable deal because they had too many used cars on the lot. Audi offered him 8k which is why he turned around and just sold it privately. He figured he'd rather give someone a deal than let Audi make a profit wholesaling the car. He was pretty mad at Audi for a number of reasons, which I can completely understand since I used that nightmare of a dealer to service my old A4 (only Audi in town).

To the post above yours, the mileage was 93k. So fairly high, but not unreasonable.

And to the OP, I was putzing around kijiji and there's quite a few CTS-Vs that almost fit your profile. You should try your luck there.

Cool, thanks. I went to a dealer in Oakville today. Gave him my list of asks, price options, what trade in IO wanted for the wife's beater, and financing range ( I have excellent credit, so I can ask).

He didn't say no, and I also said no rush I'm not in a hurry.

To be fair I also gave him a list of another car as well (G35x). Much easier to find as a backup, to see what they had.

Here is how I came to my numbers:

2006 Cadillac CTS-V <70000km mileage
Canadian Redbook: $29,100 $32,725
US Redbook $24,725 $29,925

Difference = 12% or 90c on the dollar

Canadian Blackbook: $16,381.00 High: $18,765.00
Avg $18,000
Autotrader.ca Avg $27,950

Manheim Auctions Week Ending Apr 4th
Above Average Below Feb 2009 Oct 2008 Apr 2008
$26,137 $20,675 $15,213 $21,815 $20,650 $26,533

Markup over auctions, Canadian retail price should be (Manheim Avg converted into CDN at US90 CDN$1):
$22,972 + 10% = $25,269

So ask is:
$25,500 <70,000km + ( haggle options nice to haves Warranty + Nav)
Less Trade in $1750
$23,250 +Tax
OTR: $26,275


The 2006 G35x
Infiniti 35x 70000km

Canadian Redbook: $21,675 $24,950
US Redbook $19,200 $22,275
Difference = 12% or 90c on the dollar

Canadian Blackbook: $15,200.00 High: $18,200.00
Avg $16,700
Autotrader.ca Avg $22,900

Manheim Auctions Apr 9 - Apr 16 2009
Above Average Below
Auction $20,136 $17,546 $14,956
Conv2Cdn $22,373 $19,496 $16,618

Markup over auctions, Canadian retail price should be:
$19,495 + 10% = approx $21,445

So ask is:
$21,000 <70,000km + Warranty + (Haggles = Nav)
Less Trade in $1750
$19,250 +Tax
OTR: $21,750

[Jon04CTS]

It was 82,000km, Canadian car off-lease clean sold for $27,000

My '04 doesn't even have anywhere near 80k.

[ES_Revenge]

The 09 CTS-V will become a collector's item if GM goes under heheh. Best performance sedan in the market, it will definitely live to be an American legend. I got an 09 CTS4, not nearly as cool, but still a sweet ride.
Well even if they don't go under, CTS-V, Cobalt SS TC and Vette ZR1 are all essetially stalemated as of the restructuring. GM has already mentioned this--their performance divisions (SS, V, GXP, etc.) will all likely be cut.

They may continue to be built but there will be no succesors for a while. That's okay for the CTS-V and the ZR1 I suppose as the cars they are based on still have some years left in their current generation production. The Cobalt OTOH will soon be replaced and the SS model will disappear with no replacement :( Even then, they still might decide to discontinue the CTS-V.

Thanks a simple normal answer without insults of juvenile comments.
Relax, no one insulted you. You were the one that brought up the crack bit in the original post, so IMO it's fair game to make jokes about it.

I love how the young ones in here go, $35k is a bargain, but would never buy it themselves, only saying if they had the money. Well if I had a million I'd buy a Aston Martin as well,
:confused: Huh? Not sure what you're on about there, I don't even see the posts mentioning $35k being a bargain and the bit about the Aston Martin is just about in outer space.

The market price of something, not to state the obvious is what someone is willing to pay.
Sure, but not what any individual person is "willing to pay". I might be "willing to pay" $250 for a 52" high-end LCD TV, but if I go into Future Shop and try to convince them that $250 is the "market price" because that's what I'm "willing to pay" how far do you think I'm gonna get? LOL.

I can stretch my price if I wish, but I'll start there as why the hell not. It's within 20% of what people think is the true value. It may have been noticed it is not exactly a sellers market out there, and a guaranteed sale at $25-$26k for a 06 is better than a lot of 'maybe buys' by 20 somethings on a forum.
Again this is just as mind-boggling as the Aston Martin bit. Does anyone have any idea of what he's going on about here :confused:

Asking $xx for something does not make it worth that. To me an 06 is worth tops $26k. That does not mean to others it's not worth loads more. But I imagine a lots less people are plonking down $30k+ for a used GM vehicle, big engine or not. It's still only a car, that depreciates in a market where 1 in 10 will be without a job within 12 months, and the manufacturer will probably be gone.
While I can at least follow this reasoning [just barely], rest assured the manufacturer will not "probably be gone" in 12 months; and what happens or doesn't happen in 12 months time is not really going to determine what you'll have to pay for something today. If in 2007 you predicted the Canadian dollar would be near par to the US a year later, do you think you'd convince any bank to convert currency at a rate near par, a year ahead of when the dollar actually was around that value?

You certainly have some very very strange ideas about economics, and that's about all I'm going to say. I do wish you luck getting the car you want for the price you want though...

[maniacshopper]

Well, wait next year, get the 09 CTS-V :D That is a sweet ride...

http://autoblog.royfoss.com/images/cts/8.jpg

http://autoblog.royfoss.com/images/cts/6.jpg

and I love the specs of it ;)

whoa! that's a sweet ride. I'd take the cts-v over a saab 93 deal anyday.

[maniacshopper]

[QUOTE=ES_Revenge;8567179]Well even if they don't go under, CTS-V, Cobalt SS TC and Vette ZR1 are all essetially stalemated as of the restructuring. GM has already mentioned this--their performance divisions (SS, V, GXP, etc.) will all likely be cut.

They may continue to be built but there will be no succesors for a while. That's okay for the CTS-V and the ZR1 I suppose as the cars they are based on still have some years left in their current generation production. The Cobalt OTOH will soon be replaced and the SS model will disappear with no replacement :( Even then, they still might decide to discontinue the CTS-V.


sounds like GM will be back making cars that people still don't want to drive, while the cars that people would like to buy but are ridiculously overpriced, b/c no one is willing to risk and take a plunge on their car in fear of constantly being in the shop reputation. Caddy's were known for their reputation, the buick's were. But I don't think Buick's have anything cool in their lineup that suits me.

[CaptSmethwick]

I love the idea of an '09 CTS-V but cannot see one as a daily driver here in Ottawa - the roads are awful and, well, it snows in the winter. Plus, they use salt. I went instead with a CTS-04 with the DI engine and the FE2 suspension - not even close to a V but it's still fun...

If I was in the market for a summer car (which I might be in a year or two), I'd probably spring for a 2011 Camaro convertible... :)

48k all in. AWD/auto, direct injection, performance package, sunroof, wood trim, white diamond paint, delivery, fees, taxes, etc. No navi, sight/sound, luxury package since they don't interest me. Pretty good deal. It might be even cheaper now since I know they have sweetened some of their promotions.

I even got the protection package cause they gave me the platinum package plus 3M rock guard for $750. Expensive, but not a total rip off since they usually ask at least twice that much (and rock guard would cost me $500 to do on my own anyways).

Anyways, definitely a good time to buy a car these days. Used cars are terrific bargains. My one regret was not looking at the used market, the CTS was kind of an impulse buy cause my old car was giving me headaches. But for a new car, definitely one of the best cars on the road in all respects.

You scored a great deal! I ordered one last October (took delivery just before Xmas) - CTS4 DI w/wood trim, nav, sight+sound,comfort+convenience, FE2 perf pkg. OTR price was $53k. No GM Visa $ or loyalty rebates but 0.5%/48 mos. While mine appears to have options yours doesn't, I only did "okay" on those bits. Of course, dealerships haggle a lot less when you're ordering from the factory... :cry:

[ES_Revenge]

whoa! that's a sweet ride. I'd take the cts-v over a saab 93 deal anyday.
Yeah but the 9-3 is like tens of thousands less than the CTS-V. Not even the Turbo-X was as pricey as the new CTS-V. The car has amazing performance but it ain't cheap--it's more than a C63 AMG and more than an M3.

I would sure "take one" over the 9-3 as well, but if it's about paying (rather than taking ;) ) then the 9-3 deal is certainly one heck of a deal for a realistic purchase. Of course if the CTS-V is easily affordable, then yeah they probably aren't worried about the 9-3 to begin with.

sounds like GM will be back making cars that people still don't want to drive, while the cars that people would like to buy but are ridiculously overpriced, b/c no one is willing to risk and take a plunge on their car in fear of constantly being in the shop reputation.
Well the performance trim of any model is never the huge seller, hence why GMs performance divisions will be stalled. For example how many Civic Sis do you see on the road compared to normal Civics, how many Ralliarts and Evos do you see compared to regular Lancers, how many M3s do you see compared to regular 3-series, etc.? The "regular models" always outsell the performance models by far.

The "constantly in the shop reputation" bit is exactly what you say--a [undeserved] reputation. Anyone that believes that reputation just based on the clowns that propagate it, should probably not be buying a car in the first place, but I guess that's another story altogether. Their reputation and subsequent horrid resale definitely hurt them, but it's tough to change the minds of the ignorant/know nothings out there unfortunately.

If GM's performance divisions die out or get shelved I don't see it affecting their ability to make cars that "people want to drive". It removes some of the "halo" effect but that doesn't do that much for most models anyway.

[airodus]

sounds like GM will be back making cars that people still don't want to drive, while the cars that people would like to buy but are ridiculously overpriced, b/c no one is willing to risk and take a plunge on their car in fear of constantly being in the shop reputation. Caddy's were known for their reputation, the buick's were. But I don't think Buick's have anything cool in their lineup that suits me.

If that worries you, buy Cadillac. At least they give you equivalent Cadillacs as loaners. Heheh.

[redbulldrinker]

Well,

I found a car, and have agreed to purchase it, and will be picking it up next week.

It's a 2005, 50,000KM
Full Bumper to Bumper warranty until Dec31st 2010
Also GM under warranty did a complete transmission replacement, with new Trembec tranny, re-axle and drive shaft to the 2007 setup standard.

The 04/05's had some issues. GM would not admit it, but they had a hidden recall on them.

The only fly in the ointment, the car is in Winnipeg. But I booked, flights, hotels etc with my points, so it'll be a nice road trip with my eldest son.

[Engi-Nir]

Well,

I found a car, and have agreed to purchase it, and will be picking it up next week.

It's a 2005, 50,000KM
Full Bumper to Bumper warranty until Dec31st 2001
Also GM under warranty did a complete transmission replacement, with new Trembec tranny, re-axle and drive shaft to the 2007 setup standard.

The 04/05's had some issues. GM would not admit it, but they had a hidden recall on them.

The only fly in the ointment, the car is in Winnipeg. But I booked, flights, hotels etc with my points, so it'll be a nice road trip with my eldest son.

2010 do you mean? and how much OTR price?

[redbulldrinker]

2010 do you mean? and how much OTR price?

Yes, sorry 2010. $27,000 OTR Inc Tax

[Engi-Nir]

Yes, sorry 2010. $27,000 OTR Inc Tax

niceee, well, with the money you saved, you can afford some speeding tickets lol

[redbulldrinker]

niceee, well, with the money you saved, you can afford some speeding tickets lol

Never, I bought it for the gas mileage ;)

But as I will have my 7 year old in the car with me, I'll drive with safety in mind.

Kind looking forward to spending the time with him. We are flying into Winnipeg thw afternoon before. See the sites, then head out early the next morning straight from the transport office.

I got the tickets, hotel in Winnipeg and the one on Highway 17 halfway home with my Visa Avion points. I knew it would come in handy.

I'll just have to pay for gas and food, about $260

[Kayne]

Well,

I found a car, and have agreed to purchase it, and will be picking it up next week.

It's a 2005, 50,000KM
Full Bumper to Bumper warranty until Dec31st 2010
Also GM under warranty did a complete transmission replacement, with new Trembec tranny, re-axle and drive shaft to the 2007 setup standard.

The 04/05's had some issues. GM would not admit it, but they had a hidden recall on them.

The only fly in the ointment, the car is in Winnipeg. But I booked, flights, hotels etc with my points, so it'll be a nice road trip with my eldest son.

Sounds like a blast, I could not find a better car to travel in for that price. Post some pics when you get back.

[redbulldrinker]

Sounds like a blast, I could not find a better car to travel in for that price. Post some pics when you get back.

May have finally found a use for twitter on this trip lol!!!

Though I feel like I am cheating on my other summer car :(

[redbulldrinker]

Sounds like a blast, I could not find a better car to travel in for that price. Post some pics when you get back.


As promised some pictures taken on the trip back from Winnipeg. The drive was great, 1 lane twisty road most of the way. Lots of fun!

This car is incredible, only 3000km on a new transmission, drive shaft, rear diff and suspension. GM replaced everything under warranty as the car had a bad tranny before. Now it is basically new!

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[redbulldrinker]

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[Kayne]

I am jealous, that is the exact color I had for some track time. I will never forget that day, the CTSV is a monster. The car felt very tight and had tons of torque to play around with throughout the gears. I found around town that you could almost leave the car in third gear no matter what speed you were in. Congrats!

[CaptSmethwick]

Congrats, man. Love that "subtle" LS6 badge on the corner bumper - announces just what it can lay down on the track.

Saw a pearl white '09 V today - driving way too lazily along the road to be fully appreciated. The V - whether 1st or 2nd gen - is a sweet ride. Again, congrats.