More Sony execs talking smack: DSi this month

[skeletor]

http://www.engadget.com/2009/04/04/sony-says-the-dsi-is-for-kids-the-psp-is-for-winners/#comments

Sony says the DSi is for kids, the PSP is for winners


Well, chalk this up for out of the ordinary -- Sony's PR team just sent us a "Statement from Sony PlayStation on PSP and Competitive Landscape" that basically boils down to SCEA director of hardware marketing John Koller calling the DSi a kid's toy that "ignores significant gamer demographics" and has minimal third-party support compared to the library of "blockbuster" titles on the PSP. Seriously, it's so weird we're just going to reprint the whole thing:

If Nintendo is really committed to reaching a broader, more diverse audience of gamers beyond the "kids" market that they've always engaged, there isn't much new with the DSi to support that. Significant gamer demographic groups are being ignored, and there continues to be limited opportunities for games from external publishers to do well on the DSi. Compare that with the PSP platform, where we have many blockbuster franchises from our publishing partners launching this year, representing a wide variety of genres and targeting diverse demographics. Games such as Rock Band Unplugged from MTV Games, Assassin's Creed from Ubisoft, Dissidia Final Fantasy from Square Enix, and Hannah Montana from Disney demonstrate the commitment that publishers have to the PSP. From our own first-party studios, we're launching unique versions of LittleBigPlanet and MotorStorm, and we're also planning a steady stream of downloadable games -- both new titles and PSone classics -- to add to the content that PSP owners can already purchase wirelessly through PlayStation Store.

Pretty strong words in response to the fairly un-hyped US launch of the DSi tomorrow -- especially since Ninty's sold just about twice as many total DS units than Sony's 50m PSPs, hard numbers from which no amount of marketing bluster can really distract. In fact, if we were in charge at Sony, we'd be more worried about the emergence of the iPhone and iPod touch, which have sold over 30m units total and attracted a ton of buzz from game developers while the PSP seems to be stagnating in the face of endless rumors of a UMD-less PSP2. Harsh truth? Maybe, maybe not


EDIT: UPON SONY FANBOY REQUEST: ADDED SOME STUPID MICROSOFT/ Nintendo QUOTES to balance the thread out for the cry babies (Setz/ Thechampion)

"I’m confident we will outsell the PS3 throughout the entire generation by providing more innovation and building the best and broadest games library while growing our entertainment experiences on the leading online network. With a U.S. install base lead now of more than 7 million units (according to NPD), I can’t imagine any scenario where the PS3 can catch up with us. In fact, even if you doubled the current PS3 sales and Xbox 360 remained flat, they couldn’t close the gap until 2014." -Aaron Greenspan Micro$oft

Steve Ballmer Quotes:
# "Google's not a real company. It's a house of cards." [Court transcript]
# "There's no chance that the iPhone is going to get any significant market share. No chance." [unsourced]
# We don't have a monopoly. We have market share. There's a difference. [unsourced]
# DRM is the future. [unsourced]
# "Linux is a cancer that attaches itself in an intellectual property sense to everything it touches." [Chicago Sun-Times]

NINTENDO QUOTES

"“Are we feeling good about our success? Do we think we can have more success in the future? Absolutely. I do think that highlights a difference between us and our competitors: We’re not arrogant. We don’t view success as a right. We feel we need to earn success every day. And we’re going to do that by being true to the gamer.”"- Reggie


When asked how he felt about none of the next gen GTA series being on the Gamecube. Satoru Iwata replied "Grand Theft Auto is a fad"

[CFRTim]

Yeah, but you can watch porn on the PSP -> not for kids

[iwantonetoo]

PSP and DS target different markets if you ask me.

Nintendo has always been providing an all-age and relaxable sort of gaming environments while Sony aims at higher technology gaming experiences.

It's really up to each his or her own.

Though I have to agree the terminologies they used in that article is kind of harsh.

[Super strokey]

Both are great, i dont see a problem personally with what they are saying. SOme of the stuff is pretty factual. Im sure glad i got both of them though. Still waiting on that FF6 remake.

[skeletor]

Yeah, but you can watch porn on the PSP -> not for kids

WATCH?? HAH!! Dude, you can do that on the DS too with moonshell player orrrr be apart of it! ;)
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[thechampion116]

clearly someone has something against Sony and you won't admit it.

You would post this but completely ignore what Aaron Greenberg has said in the past months, let alone a week ago.

Why shouldn't I make a whole thread for that? Why shouldn't I make a whole thread criticizing Nintendo for rehashing the same titles over and over again nonstop? When was the last time they actually created a really good new IP that my grandma can't play?

[sfu_lifer]

clearly someone has something against Sony and you won't admit it.

You would post this but completely ignore what Aaron Greenberg has said in the past months, let alone a week ago.

Why shouldn't I make a whole thread for that? Why shouldn't I make a whole thread criticizing Nintendo for rehashing the same titles over and over again nonstop? When was the last time they actually created a really good new IP that my grandma can't play?

And exactly what's wrong with being the Disney of the videogame world? They're not stopping anyone else from targeting the "adult" gamer.

But it's true, ALL the execs talk smack. It's just Sony seems to do it more than the others publicly. Nintendo has their regular (big) mouthpieces like Reggie but with Sony, it's pretty much endemic. All their big execs love to talk big. Microsoft is becoming like this too.

We should create a sticky: exec smack talk and keep a running counter :cheesygri

But both should be worried about the iphone/ipod touch. They should be dissing that instead of one another if they don't want their marketshare to sink.

[skeletor]

clearly someone has something against Sony and you won't admit it.

You would post this but completely ignore what Aaron Greenberg has said in the past months, let alone a week ago.

Why shouldn't I make a whole thread for that? Why shouldn't I make a whole thread criticizing Nintendo for rehashing the same titles over and over again nonstop? When was the last time they actually created a really good new IP that my grandma can't play?

Sure go make a thread about Aaron Greenberg, I didn't see his comment last week so you're welcome to, there have been a few made about him in the past. As far as the bashing of Nintendo, that's pretty common occurance these forums as well.. So by all means, nobody is stopping you.

it's just nice to see John Koller make these remarks and today it was released that the DSi's has become the 4'th fastest selling console in history in the UK owning him hard outselling the psp like what 20-1?.. The only news making headlines at Sony are job cuts, record financial losses, loss of exclusives and 3rd party handheld support.

http://news.vgchartz.com/news.php?id=3352

[refraxion]

Seriously most of this bickering should probably go through PM's. All execs from all three companies are jokes, they are all equal to me.

[Setz]

Seriously most of this bickering should probably go through PM's. All execs from all three companies are jokes, they are all equal to me.

+1, threads for the sole purpose of bashing a company are ********. Grow up Skeletor.

[skeletor]

+1, threads for the sole purpose of bashing a company are ********. Grow up Skeletor.

I didn't write the article, pretty much every gaming news website has this posted and discussed. I'm simply bringing what's discussed on all gaming forums to this one. :P

[BYan]

:lol:

I wish I got paid X millions to talk smack. Tried it once. Didn't take. When I woke up there was a doctor in the room and I think he stole my wallet while I was out.

[tonychau]

Nintendo continues with DSi = Destory Sony's ignorance.

[skeletor]

But both should be worried about the iphone/ipod touch. They should be dissing that instead of one another if they don't want their marketshare to sink.
You make a valid point, at the moment I think the DS is safe this gen from it's backlog of popular titles and the fact that it's everywhere... adding native support for a camera, music playback and online store to draw in more casuals was their response which seems to be working judging by initial results.

The problem I find with the iphone/itouch are the lack of real controls and quality/depth of titles as a result, casual games are taking off on it but I think there's a limit in growth. Most people buy an iphone for it's superior all in one media related capabilities which the PSP also markets itself as..

[Firestorm]

If Nintendo is really committed to reaching a broader, more diverse audience of gamers beyond the "kids" market that they've always engaged, there isn't much new with the DSi to support that. Significant gamer demographic groups are being ignored, and there continues to be limited opportunities for games from external publishers to do well on the DSi. Compare that with the PSP platform, where we have many blockbuster franchises from our publishing partners launching this year, representing a wide variety of genres and targeting diverse demographics. Games such as Rock Band Unplugged from MTV Games, Assassin's Creed from Ubisoft, Dissidia Final Fantasy from Square Enix, and Hannah Montana from Disney demonstrate the commitment that publishers have to the PSP. From our own first-party studios, we're launching unique versions of LittleBigPlanet and MotorStorm, and we're also planning a steady stream of downloadable games -- both new titles and PSone classics -- to add to the content that PSP owners can already purchase wirelessly through PlayStation Store.XD
As horrible a fanboy as the topic creator is, underneath that blind devotion to Nintendo he's got a point. Sony's still cranking out the "lulz nintendo for the kiddies" when Nintendo skews both younger and older than the PSP could ever hope to. PSP is firmly a 14 - 24 type product whereas the DS has gone 4 - 64 and is strong across the board. They're not even in the same league.

[thechampion116]

XD
As horrible a fanboy as the topic creator is, underneath that blind devotion to Nintendo he's got a point. Sony's still cranking out the "lulz nintendo for the kiddies" when Nintendo skews both younger and older than the PSP could ever hope to. PSP is firmly a 14 - 24 type product whereas the DS has gone 4 - 64 and is strong across the board. They're not even in the same league.

They aren't even in the same league, but if Sony does release a PSP2 eventually, I believe they will be the first to survive against Nintendo in a long time in the handheld market. Not many can say that especially from a worldwide perspective.


+1, threads for the sole purpose of bashing a company are ********. Grow up Skeletor.

agreed. Whether he saw the other articles or not makes no difference. You just stoop to the level of those writing the original articles. there was no need for another thread. You could have easily posted this story both in the DSi (wherever that went too) and/or the PS3 thread.

[CFRTim]

agreed. Whether he saw the other articles or not makes no difference. You just stoop to the level of those writing the original articles. there was no need for another thread. You could have easily posted this story both in the DSi (wherever that went too) and/or the PS3 thread.

PS3 thread:confused: now who's stooping to new levels. I'm sure you wanted to say PSP thread;)
Anyway, if Unicron is allowed to make threads about unlocking achievements with his puberty pimples, I don't have a problem with skeletor

[skeletor]

@firestorm
yeah, such blind devotion to Nintendo that I never bothered touching the N64 or gamecube when I used to bash Nintendo the most. I like the fact Nintendo is incompetent! Because it makes it so much easier to hack the system. If I paid $60 for all my Wii games and didn't give a crap about the amazing homebrew scene sure I would be as bitter as you. If anything the last 15 years of gaming I been a dedicated PC fanboy and always will be. MOUSE + KB owns all

http://img183.imageshack.us/img183/7664/45617314zi1mu6copypp8.jpg

lol @ the jabs from thechampion and setz = 2 of the biggest Sony fanboys on RFD.. You guys are the last ones to try and take the high ground.. It's quite obvious you guys are trying to add flame to this thread in defense of stupid comments made by sony execs by trying to attack me.. Fact of the matter is execs from all sides talk this kind of B.S. but Sony has been doing it more than others.. When was the last time Nintendo mentioned the psp? They're too busy counting money.

[Setz]

yeah, such blind devotion to Nintendo that I never bothered touching the N64 or gamecube when I used to bash Nintendo the most. The main reason I like the wii is because of Hacking, as a result of Nintendo's incompetence.

lol @ the jabs from thechampion and setz = 2 biggest Sony fanboys on RFD..

Playstation aficionado does not a fanboy make.

[supremekai]

yeah, such blind devotion to Nintendo that I never bothered touching the N64 or gamecube when I used to bash Nintendo the most. The main reason I like the Wii is because of Hacking as a result of Nintendo's incompetence. Anyhow that's another topic

lol @ the jabs from thechampion and setz = 2 of the biggest Sony fanboys on RFD.. You guys are the last ones to try and take the high ground.. It's quite obvious you guys are trying to add flame to this thread in defense of stupid comments made by sony execs.. Fact of the matter is execs from all sides talk this kind of B.S. but Sony has been doing it more than others.. When was the last time Nintendo mentioned the psp? They're too busy counting money.

actually I seen Microsoft talk smack way more than Sony did recently/past few months.

[skeletor]

Playstation aficionado does not a fanboy make.

Everyone on these forums knows your story Setz .. We have all had quite a few laughs at your expense over the past year in several 360/ps3 topics.

btw, I added some stupid Microsoft and NIntendo quotes just to appease you Sony fanboys.

[Bonks]

Seriously most of this bickering should probably go through PM's. All execs from all three companies are jokes, they are all equal to me.

What he said. Really, what's the point of this topic? We don't need a thread everytime Sony/Nintendo/Microsoft spews PR stuff or damage control. What kind of responses did you think you would get by posting this?

[Setz]

Everyone on these forums knows your story Setz .. We have all had quite a few laughs at your expense over the past year in several 360/ps3 topics.

btw, I added some stupid Microsoft and NIntendo quotes just to appease you Sony fanboys.

You should be banned from the Internet for idiocy.

[skeletor]

You should be banned from the Internet for idiocy.

sure there dude, for the few people like you that hate me on these forums there are 10X more that have given me praise for answering their questions and helping them when needed.... whether it's recovering their bricked Wii's, giving expert advice on hacking/homebrew (WHICH EVEN YOU CAME CRAWLING TO ME FOR :P) , even supplying RFD with the first shipment of Brand New Jaspers in the GTA straight from my connections at M$ a few months back for far less than retail price.. I contribute far more to this place than my opinions which bother you so much.

Hell, I'm the guy who usually warns you all of dangers to your systems with updates.

[Firestorm]

skeletor is like Setz without the funny.

[skeletor]

skeletor is like Setz without the funny.

You actually think Setz is funny?! HAH! Now you're the joker!

[sfu_lifer]

You make a valid point, at the moment I think the DS is safe this gen from it's backlog of popular titles and the fact that it's everywhere... adding native support for a camera, music playback and online store to draw in more casuals was their response which seems to be working judging by initial results.

The problem I find with the iphone/itouch are the lack of real controls and quality/depth of titles as a result, casual games are taking off on it but I think there's a limit in growth. Most people buy an iphone for it's superior all in one media related capabilities which the PSP also markets itself as..

Exactly. It's Sony who has the most to lose with the ipod touch's resurgence. Once Apple drops it to $199US for the 8GB model, Sony and Nintendo will start to sweat. Plus games are soooo much cheaper on the apple store. Sure most of them suck really badly but there are a few gems in there and publishers are now paying attention to the latest "it" portable.

And as you can see from Japan sales, the DSi is very close in sales to the PSP, something unheard of even last year. I think the pricepoint combined with saturation is killing the DSi's sales over there. Nintendo should stop being overly greedy and keep it far away from the ipod touch's pricepoint.

[XxXSnake23XxX]

You actually think Setz is funny?! HAH! Now you're the joker!

ps is that game real?! :P

[skeletor]

ps is that game real?! :P

Yes the game is real it's called Hizashi no Naka.. there are a few pr0n/hentai games for the DS.. here's a video of another one http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=phSZ_rNhDsw&feature=related

lol, there's also a Wii version on homebrew of these sorts of games..

[DualSoul]

Yes the game is real it's called Hizashi no Naka.. there are a few pr0n/hentai games for the DS.. here's a video of another one http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=phSZ_rNhDsw&feature=related

lol, there's also a Wii version on homebrew of these sorts of games..

It's hizashi no naka no riaru, and it's a flash game.

[sleepyguy]

Remind me not to buy a used DS in BST ;)

[Gravious]

hmmm buy a dsi for 200.00.....lose my gba games gain a pointless camera
so I can take pictures and draw on them....honestly why just why?

200.00 can be used for better things, I can't justify buying a hand held item that does nothing except target the japanese camera obsession. If I wanted a camera/multi media device I would go with a iphone.

Nintendo may have all these console sales but in my view they have done nothing but target families and fat kids that think wii fit will actually make them fit, they gotta give some light on hard core gamers and not just ignore us.

Also nintendo needs to crack down on just letting any game come out for there system, every company seems to just port games and add the good ol' shaking motion and call it a "new game" Honestly if I wanted to shake my arm up and down while grabbing a wii controller, I'll just stick with the tool between my legs at least I get enjoyment out of that.:lol:

[skeletor]

hmmm buy a dsi for 200.00.....lose my gba games gain a pointless camera
so I can take pictures and draw on them....honestly why just why?

200.00 can be used for better things, I can't justify buying a hand held item that does nothing except target the japanese camera obsession. If I wanted a camera/multi media device I would go with a iphone.

Nintendo may have all these console sales but in my view they have done nothing but target families and fat kids that think wii fit will actually make them fit, they gotta give some light on hard core gamers and not just ignore us.

Also nintendo needs to crack down on just letting any game come out for there system, every company seems to just port games and add the good ol' shaking motion and call it a "new game" Honestly if I wanted to shake my arm up and down while grabbing a wii controller, I'll just stick with the tool between my legs at least I get enjoyment out of that.:lol:

Nintendo knows people will buy the DSi at that price, just like how apple overprices their overrated products.. Which is smart for business..

The last thing Nintendo needs to do is piss off 3rd party developers like what happened in the N64 era. Which ended up with few games on the system beyond first/second party .. At least some 3rd party devs like Sega and Capcom are putting in effort.

[Setz]

Nintendo knows people will buy the DSi at that price, just like how apple overprices their overrated products.. Which is smart for business..

The last thing Nintendo needs to do is piss off 3rd party developers like what happened in the N64 era. Which ended up with few games on the system beyond first/second party .. At least some 3rd party devs like Sega and Capcom are putting in effort.

For the most part, Nintendo is primarily a first/second party console. I can't think of many good games for Wii that aren't Nintendo. Here's the little list off the top of my head:

No More Heroes
Madworld
Resident Evil 4
Resident Evil Umbrella Chronicles
Resident Evil Darkside Chronicles (upcoming)
Megaman 9
Medal of Honor: Heroes 2
Call of Duty World at War
Silent Hill (upcoming)

Same with the Gamecube. Resident Evil 0-4 are probably the only games I really liked for Gamecube.

[Jon Lai]

Well, to an extent they're right. Nintendo does fail to reach out to the middle markets - they have the younger people who play DS, and the older moms and dads who watch their young kids play DS. Between 18-30, they really have no pull for the market. Sure, people in this age group still play DS, but it's not matching the demographic.

It's really too bad for Sony that the 18-30 age group is not big enough for them to capitalize the PSP on.

[Lone_Prodigy]

Well, to an extent they're right. Nintendo does fail to reach out to the middle markets - they have the younger people who play DS, and the older moms and dads who watch their young kids play DS. Between 18-30, they really have no pull for the market. Sure, people in this age group still play DS, but it's not matching the demographic.

It's really too bad for Sony that the 18-30 age group is not big enough for them to capitalize the PSP on.

Um, no. I think the younger people, the middle market, and the older people are equal in size. It's just that the middle market is where most games are, and hence where the most competition is. You have MS, Nintendo, and Sony all competing for market share with the biggest gamer base. If stats were skewed that way Nintendo might be in last place (a perfect example would be last gen, with the GC last). But the other two markets (young and old) are firmly Nintendo, and that's why they're winning the console war right now.

[Firestorm]

Well, to an extent they're right. Nintendo does fail to reach out to the middle markets - they have the younger people who play DS, and the older moms and dads who watch their young kids play DS. Between 18-30, they really have no pull for the market. Sure, people in this age group still play DS, but it's not matching the demographic.

It's really too bad for Sony that the 18-30 age group is not big enough for them to capitalize the PSP on.The DS to PSP ratio at my university isn't even a contest. The DS has a larger marketshare in every demographic. I think it comes with having 100 million vs 40 million or whatever the stats are now. PSP's doing well due to its boost in Japan from Monster Hunter. In North America, it's not even worth discussing.

[supremekai]

Um, no. I think the younger people, the middle market, and the older people are equal in size. It's just that the middle market is where most games are, and hence where the most competition is. You have MS, Nintendo, and Sony all competing for market share with the biggest gamer base. If stats were skewed that way Nintendo might be in last place (a perfect example would be last gen, with the GC last). But the other two markets (young and old) are firmly Nintendo, and that's why they're winning the console war right now.

Jon Lai is talking about handhelds. And there is only Nintendo and Sony.



The DS to PSP ratio at my university isn't even a contest. The DS has a larger marketshare in every demographic. I think it comes with having 100 million vs 40 million or whatever the stats are now. PSP's doing well due to its boost in Japan from Monster Hunter. In North America, it's not even worth discussing.


Yes there are more people with NDS than PSP in that group, but the GAMES are not marketed there, they are mostly for kids/casual.

[CFRTim]

Jon Lai is talking about handhelds. And there is only Nintendo and Sony.


Did Apple filed for bankruptcy?

[tonychau]

What is App games that last 10hours? ;)

Did Apple filed for bankruptcy?

[sfu_lifer]

Well looks like Nintendo's lustre is starting to fade a bit. They only sold 300K DSi's in Europe and NA the first 2 days. I doubt it's a supply/demand issue as I've seen DSi's on the shelves. IMO it's WAY overpriced. I had no problems dropping $299 on a PSP and a 16GB ipod touch since they're sexy looking. I don't get that sexy gadget vibe with the DSi.

So Sony, introduce the PSP2 with touchscreen and 8GB flash built in for $249 and watch it fly off the shelves and kick the DSi's butt to the curb.

[Firestorm]

Yes there are more people with NDS than PSP in that group, but the GAMES are not marketed there, they are mostly for kids/casual.What makes you think the people that are 18-24 aren't casual o.O And where do you think games like Chrono Trigger DS, Final Fantasy IV, Professor Layton (although maybe skewed older), Retro Games Challenge, Phoenix Wright, Trauma Center, Eterian Odyssey, Dragon Quest V, etc. are targetted?

[supremekai]

What makes you think the people that are 18-24 aren't casual o.O And where do you think games like Chrono Trigger DS, Final Fantasy IV, Professor Layton (although maybe skewed older), Retro Games Challenge, Phoenix Wright, Trauma Center, Eterian Odyssey, Dragon Quest V, etc. are targetted?


how is 18-24 not casual, casual are greater in numbers than core gamers.
There are many girls with DS, you think most of them are (hard)core gamers?

did i not say mostly?
thats like what 10 out of 900 games or whatever? lol

[rdtx2002]

i dunno why people are talking about iPhone here.. they are not competing with Sony/Ninty.. they wanted in on RIM's market share and got owned.

[sfu_lifer]

how is 18-24 not casual, casual are greater in numbers than core gamers.
There are many girls with DS, you think most of them are (hard)core gamers?

did i not say mostly?
thats like what 10 out of 900 games or whatever? lol
Now you're grasping at straws. You have to pick a side. You seem to first be saying DS gamers are just about all casual that they're all for kids and now you're trying to dismiss what Firestorm has said given anecdotal evidence and that the traditionally hardcore 18-24 group are all casual-oriented. If you look at pictures of gamers in lineups, what do you think they're carrying while waiting in line for that hardcore game/system they're waiting for? More likely than not, DS's.

College kids have traditionally been harder core than most. When I see someone with a PSP in that age group, more often than not they're watching a movie or listening to music, not playing a game. Software sales for the PSP have also sucked even more horribly than the also piracy affected DS sales. The hardcore gamer, is also a knowledgeable gamer and likely knows what flash carts and roms are all about.

The fact is, if you have the market share, you'll have a TON of variety with games (PS1 and PS2 are a great example of this). There will be games for everyone unlike PSP which is pretty much all but a handful are targeted for the male adolescent gamer. The hardcore software sales number must be pretty decent still since I don't see publishers shying away from the DS and pushing their "hardcore" titles to PSP.

[sfu_lifer]

i dunno why people are talking about iPhone here.. they are not competing with Sony/Ninty.. they wanted in on RIM's market share and got owned.
Have you been watching ads lately on TV? Dunno about you but I'm seeing tons more apple ads that completely focuses on the gaming aspects of the iphone/ipod touch.
The iphone is a consumer device and is definitely not ready for primetime in business use.

[skeletor]

ps is that game real?! :P

btw, if you're interested there's a homebrew Visual Novel engine on the Wii which plays translated hentai games ;)

http://wiibrew.org/wiki/ONScripter

http://www.hongfire.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=90719&stc=1&d=1214153091

[CFRTim]

btw, back on topic, there is going to be less Sony execs talking smack, with David Reeves leaving SCEE :cry:

http://www.vg247.com/2009/04/15/david-reeves-quits-scee-andrew-house-named-as-new-president/