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pipolchap
Feb 11th, 2009, 10:20 AM
I just used the can and I was wondering if this is the case.

Hairball
Feb 11th, 2009, 10:25 AM
I don't think there are laws regarding that.

SwiZz
Feb 11th, 2009, 10:28 AM
Yeah I don't think its illegal or anything.......but I would think its pretty bad to do. What if a disabled person had to use the bathroom at the time........would be kinda tough for them.

ndrew029
Feb 11th, 2009, 10:32 AM
It's similar only in the sense that a disabled person now has to inconvenience themselves to get to where they want to go. Those larger stalls in the public washrooms are for them to bring their mobility device in and they often hand railings along the side to help them get up and sit down without hurting themselves.

This is only really a problem if there is a disabled person waiting to use it, but you never know. Stay clear if you can.

cgtlky
Feb 11th, 2009, 10:38 AM
No, Disabled washroom is not similar to disabled parking but a disabled person have the right or should be first in an event they are there or there is a lineup.

Snicla
Feb 11th, 2009, 10:40 AM
LOL

Reminds me of Billable Hours.

AmberMoon
Feb 11th, 2009, 10:41 AM
Seriously doubt there is a law regarding it, Is it wrong or right to use it /shrug thats up to you, If someone who was in a wheel chair needed to use it then maybe some will say they don't see why they cant wait like the rest of us.

I do not think its same as handicap parking as those spots are there in the front for the disabled to not have to walk/roll so far, thus someone parking there that is not suppose to be there causes excess work for the handicap person. What excess work is caused by using a bathroom marked wheelchair accessible? they only have to wait a extra minute or two for the person using it to exit.

( On a side note before I get slammed) I have a handicap sticker for my car and while most people looking at me would not think I was disabled, I am considered disabled since I can not walk far distances ect.( Havent used it in years though).

So who is to say that the person in the handicap accessible bathroom is not disabled since looks are very disbelieving . And I do not think I have ever used the handicap accessible restroom since there is always a few stalls open.

SAN66
Feb 11th, 2009, 10:42 AM
LOL

Reminds me of Billable Hours.

Haha I was about to say they same. One of our great under appreciated Canadian comedies.

googoo
Feb 11th, 2009, 10:43 AM
no, disabled washroom is not similar to disabled parking but a disabled person have the right or should be first in an event they are there or there is a lineup.

+1

manho
Feb 11th, 2009, 10:44 AM
they did an episode of this on Curb Your Enthusiasm too

NiMSo
Feb 11th, 2009, 10:46 AM
I'll only use it if there's no other options available. And of course, disabled people get first dibs.

manyapples
Feb 11th, 2009, 10:48 AM
LOL

Reminds me of Billable Hours.

Larry David did it first on Curb Your Enthusiasm

gman
Feb 11th, 2009, 10:50 AM
If there is a disabled person (more for the person with wheel chair) waiting for it, of course, you should not use it.
If there is other slot available, you should not use the disable one.

However, unlike parking, it is not something you can wait (may be you can but your body may not allow you). Also, you are not using it for an extended period of time (I assume). Another situation is utilization, if there are many people lining up for washroom, not using one is a kind of waste.

Another one is the gym shower room for disable. When there is a long line up and you do know there is no disable person waiting for it (such as you don't see a wheel chair in the whole gym), not using it is waste of everyone's time.

In my office floor, there are only 2 thrones in the men's washroom. One of them is for wheelchair. It is hard not to use it when the other one is occupied especially there is nobody using wheel chair working here.

Snicla
Feb 11th, 2009, 10:52 AM
Haha I was about to say they same. One of our great under appreciated Canadian comedies.

So true, excellent show.


I definitely prefer the handicapped bathrooms, much roomier and always cleaner. No harm in using it, it's not like you spend more than 10mins in there anyways.

laptop-tech
Feb 11th, 2009, 10:57 AM
If you flushed, you're safe. The bathroom cops cant do anything, as the evidence went down the drain.

molala
Feb 11th, 2009, 11:13 AM
The disabled washroom is a courtesy rather than the law.

Anyone who doesn't need the space and/or grab bar should stay out of it. Given the space is for people with mobility aid, other people (particularly seniors) might need the grab bar and it's something you might not be able to tell by just looking at that person. If you like using it because you thinks it's spacious and stuff, stay home! Your own washroom is even more spacious.

untaka
Feb 11th, 2009, 11:31 AM
I always use disabled washrooms. Even if a disabled person is in the washroom, they can wait.

EmperorOfCanada
Feb 11th, 2009, 11:43 AM
The disabled washroom is a courtesy rather than the law.

Anyone who doesn't need the space and/or grab bar should stay out of it. Given the space is for people with mobility aid, other people (particularly seniors) might need the grab bar and it's something you might not be able to tell by just looking at that person. If you like using it because you thinks it's spacious and stuff, stay home! Your own washroom is even more spacious.

Okay but seriously when other stalls are full and its crap myself vs use the empty handicapped stall, then its not even a choice. It doesnt happen that often, but dont tell me the need to go has never hit you that bad :p

Jon Lai
Feb 11th, 2009, 12:12 PM
Some smaller washrooms don't even have "standard" stalls, just a disabled one.

chickenbones
Feb 11th, 2009, 12:27 PM
There's no such thing as a "disabled washroom". The blue disabled person sign just means it's handicap accessible, not handicap only like parking spots.

molala
Feb 11th, 2009, 12:39 PM
Okay but seriously when other stalls are full and its crap myself vs use the empty handicapped stall, then its not even a choice. It doesnt happen that often, but dont tell me the need to go has never hit you that bad :p

A lot of people with mobility disabilities and seniors doesn't have much ability to control over their bladder/bowel. If you have to go that bad once in a blue moon, they have to go that bad ALL the time!

Stunt_101
Feb 11th, 2009, 12:43 PM
i always prefer the disabled washroom over the regular ones. 1) because its a lot cleaner. 2) there's more privacy

sexpuppet6000
Feb 11th, 2009, 12:48 PM
The disabled washroom is a courtesy rather than the law.

Anyone who doesn't need the space and/or grab bar should stay out of it. Given the space is for people with mobility aid, other people (particularly seniors) might need the grab bar and it's something you might not be able to tell by just looking at that person. If you like using it because you thinks it's spacious and stuff, stay home! Your own washroom is even more spacious.

A lot of people with mobility disabilities and seniors doesn't have much ability to control over their bladder/bowel. If you have to go that bad once in a blue moon, they have to go that bad ALL the time!


You are full of crazy today. If they can't control their bladders then they probably know well enough to use a diaper.

EmperorOfCanada
Feb 11th, 2009, 12:53 PM
A lot of people with mobility disabilities and seniors doesn't have much ability to control over their bladder/bowel. If you have to go that bad once in a blue moon, they have to go that bad ALL the time!

Okay. So you are saying I *should* go ahead and crap myself, so that JUST IN CASE they come in, THEY dont have to? Nice try but no.

Me: Pardon me mall employed janitorial staff, could you please come and clean the mess I made in the bathroom? There was a perfectly good toilet not in use, but I instead decided to defecate all over myself and the floor. A guy in a wheelchair might have entered at any time, Im sure you know how it is. Thanks!

Nikita
Feb 11th, 2009, 01:02 PM
I'll only use it if there's no other options available. And of course, disabled people get first dibs.

Agreed. If it's the only one available and there's nobody else waiting, I'll use it, seems silly not to, I'm only in there a couple of minutes. If there's a lineup though, I won't use it because, as AmberMoon pointed out, you often can't tell by looking at someone if they are handicapped and do/will need it. But no, it's not same as disabled parking, it's just to make the washroom accessible to those who need it. The law requires there to be one, but it's only to be sure that the handicapped do have an accessible washroom to use. It's not reserved just for the handicapped though, but IMO it's common courtesy not to use it if there's another stall available.

Dash
Feb 11th, 2009, 01:07 PM
You are full of crazy today. If they can't control their bladders then they probably know well enough to use a diaper.

hahahaa. maybe her Aunt Flo is making her visit this month.

Magoo
Feb 11th, 2009, 01:18 PM
You are so going to hell for this.

Snicla
Feb 11th, 2009, 01:22 PM
hahahaa. maybe her Aunt Flo is making her visit this month.

http://www.austinchronicle.com/binary/c3922e57/i_see_what_you_did_there.jpg

EmperorOfCanada
Feb 11th, 2009, 01:30 PM
You are so going to hell for this.

Explain.

Tijuana
Feb 11th, 2009, 01:35 PM
Just because they are disabled doesn't mean their bladders are as well.

molala
Feb 11th, 2009, 01:43 PM
You are full of crazy today. If they can't control their bladders then they probably know well enough to use a diaper.

Full of crazy? Not compared to a suicidal kid. Do you know how expensive diapers are and the proper use of it?

Okay. So you are saying I *should* go ahead and crap myself, so that JUST IN CASE they come in, THEY dont have to? Nice try but no.

Me: Pardon me mall employed janitorial staff, could you please come and clean the mess I made in the bathroom? There was a perfectly good toilet not in use, but I instead decided to defecate all over myself and the floor. A guy in a wheelchair might have entered at any time, Im sure you know how it is. Thanks!

So it's ok for a disabled person/senior to wait a good 10 minutes because you have to crap yourself out? Whereas you can't wait 2 minutes for someone to get out from a regular stall? :rolleyes: Oh right, you can't go 2 minutes earlier because you have to wait until you crap yourself! ;)

Just because they are disabled doesn't mean their bladders are as well.

Can you define disabled bladder for me please? :confused:

DaVibe
Feb 11th, 2009, 01:47 PM
I don't treat it as I would a disabled spot. I treat it as a washroom available for "those people" ...

If someone with a disability would like to use it, then that washroom is specifically for them. Otherwise, it's for everyone to use when they like.

So it's ok for a disabled person/senior to wait a good 10 minutes because you have to crap yourself out? Whereas you can't wait 2 minutes for someone to get out from a regular stall? :rolleyes: Oh right, you can't go 2 minutes earlier because you have to wait until you crap yourself! ;)



Yes, they have to wait like everyone else.
I consider it a washroom physically BUILT differently than the others but its purpose is still the same. If it was that special, it'd be in a different room entirely. It's there for "Those people" to use ... they have the ability to use the washroom (where as if it wasn't there, they wouldn't).
Therefore, anyone can use it at any time. Even to let a load off my mind.

molala
Feb 11th, 2009, 01:48 PM
I don't treat it as I would a disabled spot. I treat it as a washroom available for "those people" ...

If someone with a disability would like to use it, then that washroom is specifically for them. Otherwise, it's for everyone to use when they like.

what is "those people"? :rolleyes:

Snicla
Feb 11th, 2009, 01:49 PM
what is "those people"? :rolleyes:

Racism!

DaVibe
Feb 11th, 2009, 01:49 PM
what is "those people"? :rolleyes:

The disabled.

OP asks a question, I'm going to put up an honest answer. Call it whatever you want, but when I walk into a washroom, that's exactly what I think.
And I know every other person responding to this thread is thinking the same damn thing, therefore I'll just come out and say it.

angekfire
Feb 11th, 2009, 01:50 PM
So it's ok for a disabled person/senior to wait a good 10 minutes because you have to crap yourself out? Whereas you can't wait 2 minutes for someone to get out from a regular stall? :rolleyes: Oh right, you can't go 2 minutes earlier because you have to wait until you crap yourself! ;)

Can you define disabled bladder for me please? :confused:

Sometimes it hits you and you have to go NOW. It doesn't always give you a warning like "Hey, go to the bathroom, you're gunna have to crap in 5 minutes."

Disabled bladder = incontinent. No bladder control. In which case, they should be wearing incontinence products.

CodecX81
Feb 11th, 2009, 01:51 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=01sHrDku2rE

Funniest IT Crowd episode EVAR

"I'm disabled!"

molala
Feb 11th, 2009, 02:00 PM
Racism!

Nope. It's ablism ;) It is against the Ontario Human Right Code which I could easily file a complaint and they would obtain a court order to get a smart kid's IP to find him. Yeup, I have the connection!

Sometimes it hits you and you have to go NOW. It doesn't always give you a warning like "Hey, go to the bathroom, you're gunna have to crap in 5 minutes."

Disabled bladder = incontinent. No bladder control. In which case, they should be wearing incontinence products.

Incontinence products are for those who does not even receive the signals at all thay they have to empty their bladder. For many disabled and seniors. they receive the signal but have no control over holding it.

DaVibe
Feb 11th, 2009, 02:07 PM
Nope. It's ablism ;) It is against the Ontario Human Right Code which I could easily file a complaint and they would obtain a court order to get a smart kid's IP to find him. Yeup, I have the connection!



So you're in favour of no person who classifies themselves as "Non-Disabled" (I don't want to say able-bodied, we're all able-bodied) to use the washroom that's larger in size, that can accomodate those that are disabled (see where I'm going with this, there's nothing special about it).

Have you ever visited the Rogers Centre? The washrooms have 2 stalls in the Men's. So you're suggesting that 35 men line-up to use 1 stall?

As a courtesy, people should avoid it but when it's available and nothing else is, you use it. There's nothing "WRONG" with it.

EmperorOfCanada
Feb 11th, 2009, 02:21 PM
Saying you cant use the Handicapped accessible washroom is like saying you cant walk up the wheelchair accessible ramp, or sit on the reserved handicapped seating on busses. They are there for (handicapped/disabled/whatever you wish to call them) to use when they are needed. This does not mean they cannot be used at all by other people.

We are all disabled in our own ways anyways :p

molala
Feb 11th, 2009, 02:21 PM
So you're in favour of no person who classifies themselves as "Non-Disabled" (I don't want to say able-bodied, we're all able-bodied) to use the washroom that's larger in size, that can accomodate those that are disabled (see where I'm going with this, there's nothing special about it).

Have you ever visited the Rogers Centre? The washrooms have 2 stalls in the Men's. So you're suggesting that 35 men line-up to use 1 stall?

As a courtesy, people should avoid it but when it's available and nothing else is, you use it. There's nothing "WRONG" with it.

Just so you know, it's disrespectful to categorized anyone as "those people" regardless of disabled or not? Did your kindergarten teacher not taught you manner? As for the name, you should refer them as "individuals" with disabilities ;)

As for Rogers Center, I don't believe there are 35 men need line up and crap at the same washroom as there are washrooms located almost every rows of every flooe.

How do you know there will not be a disabled person or senior walk in within the 10 minutes that you are taking your crap? :rolleyes:

molala
Feb 11th, 2009, 02:24 PM
Saying you cant use the Handicapped accessible washroom is like saying you cant walk up the wheelchair accessible ramp, or sit on the reserved handicapped seating on busses. They are there for (handicapped/disabled/whatever you wish to call them) to use when they are needed. This does not mean they cannot be used at all by other people.

We are all disabled in our own ways anyways :p

Bad examples. When you're walking on a ramp or sitting at the reserved area on the bus, you could move to let the individul use it. But would you be able to see an individuals in a wheelchair waiting outside or you? and even hold your crap and get out and finish it in another stall? :rolleyes:

EmperorOfCanada
Feb 11th, 2009, 02:28 PM
Just so you know, it's disrespectful to categorized anyone as "those people" regardless of disabled or not? Did your kindergarten teacher not taught you manner? As for the name, you should refer them as "individuals" with disabilities ;)

As for Rogers Center, I don't believe there are 35 men need line up and crap at the same washroom as there are washrooms located almost every rows of every flooe.

How do you know there will not be a disabled person or senior walk in within the 10 minutes that you are taking your crap? :rolleyes:

A) I dont believe in PC bullcrap. I think people should call things like they see it. Myself? Im fat. Some people are ugly. Some are disabled. If someone refers to me as fat, I dont look at the word they used but at the intention behind the word. If the intention was to hurt me, I will take offence, if it wasnt, I will not. People need to stop being babies and getting offended over every little thing.

B) They dont know, and they cant know. I do not base my bathroom schedule around other people. I go when I have to go. I will feel slightly bad if someone needs to use the stall when I am already in it, but I wont feel guilty and I would use the same stall again next time.

ariell
Feb 11th, 2009, 02:32 PM
Nope. It's ablism ;) It is against the Ontario Human Right Code which I could easily file a complaint and they would obtain a court order to get a smart kid's IP to find him. Yeup, I have the connection!
.

Oh really molala. Stop throwing your weight around. Calling disabled individuals "those people" clearly shows a lack of insight but it is hardly an issue for the Human Rights Commission!!

I've always seen disabled washroom stalls as "handicapped accessible" not "handicapped only". If it's the only stall available and no one else is waiting, why shouldn't you use it?

danfromwaterloo
Feb 11th, 2009, 02:33 PM
I just used the can and I was wondering if this is the case.

When was the last time you got a ticket for dropping a deuce in the cripple can?

UncleSteve
Feb 11th, 2009, 02:44 PM
When was the last time you got a ticket for dropping a deuce in the cripple can?

Excellent song by Manfred Mann's Earth Band.

molala
Feb 11th, 2009, 02:58 PM
Oh really molala. Stop throwing your weight around. Calling disabled individuals "those people" clearly shows a lack of insight but it is hardly an issue for the Human Rights Commission!!

I've always seen disabled washroom stalls as "handicapped accessible" not "handicapped only". If it's the only stall available and no one else is waiting, why shouldn't you use it?

Do you know that if an individual encounter a comment that they feel offended because of the grounds from the Ontario Human Right Code, they could file a complaint?

I said anyone shouldn't use and the reasons being are already mentioned. Did I ever said people MUST not use it because of any signage? :rolleyes:

CeoOfKFC
Feb 11th, 2009, 03:01 PM
Larry David doesn't seem to care... lol...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vcyM-vTqb3s

EmperorOfCanada
Feb 11th, 2009, 03:01 PM
Do you know that if an individual encounter a comment that they feel offended because of the grounds from the Ontario Human Right Code, they could file a complaint?

I said anyone shouldn't use and the reasons being are already mentioned. Did I ever said people MUST not use it because of any signage? :rolleyes:

And we are telling you that you are wrong :) Deal with it.

CeoOfKFC
Feb 11th, 2009, 03:06 PM
Bad examples. When you're walking on a ramp or sitting at the reserved area on the bus, you could move to let the individul use it. But would you be able to see an individuals in a wheelchair waiting outside or you? and even hold your crap and get out and finish it in another stall? :rolleyes:

No. They can't wait till your finished your business and then let them have the washroom. Being handicapped doesn't necessarily mean that they cannot hold it either. If the stall happens to stink when you hand it over to them then so be it.

angekfire
Feb 11th, 2009, 03:07 PM
Did your kindergarten teacher not taught you manner?

Did your kindergarten teacher not teach you grammar?

molala
Feb 11th, 2009, 03:16 PM
No. They can't wait till your finished your business and then let them have the washroom. Being handicapped doesn't necessarily mean that they cannot hold it either. If the stall happens to stink when you hand it over to them then so be it.

Are you a disabled person or senior who represents the entire population to tell me this? :rolleyes:

Did your kindergarten teacher not teach you grammar?

You actually I care sh*t about my grammer on the internet? :rolleyes::lol:

EmperorOfCanada
Feb 11th, 2009, 03:18 PM
Are you a disabled person or senior who represents the entire population to tell me this? :rolleyes:


Its called common sense. If you had it, you would understand.

For god sake give that smiley a rest too it doesnt need to be in every post :p

ariell
Feb 11th, 2009, 03:22 PM
Do you know that if an individual encounter a comment that they feel offended because of the grounds from the Ontario Human Right Code, they could file a complaint?



Oh please. :rolleyes: Of course they could complain. Doesn't mean it will be taken seriously. I mean, I could complain because someone told me to watch where I was going when I was crossing the road and I was offended. And my complaint would have exactly 0% chance of anything becoming of it as would yours. The Human Rights Code is put in place to protect those who are discriminated against. But calling disabled individuals "those people"??? It's ignorant, I agree but certainly not a case for the Human Rights Commission. Your complaint would be laughed out of the office and you know it. Get over it.

molala
Feb 11th, 2009, 03:22 PM
Its called common sense. If you had it, you would understand.

For god sake give that smiley a rest too it doesnt need to be in every post :p

It's common sense that a disabled person could hold their bladder/bowel:confused:

Here's one for you: ;)

molala
Feb 11th, 2009, 03:23 PM
Oh please. :rolleyes: Of course they could complain. Doesn't mean it will be taken seriously. I mean, I could complain because someone told me to watch where I was going when I was crossing the road and I was offended. And my complaint would have exactly 0% chance of anything becoming of it as would yours. The Human Rights Code is put in place to protect those who are discriminated against. But calling disabled individuals "those people"??? It's ignorant, I agree but certainly not a case for the Human Rights Commission. Your complaint would be laughed out of the office and you know it. Get over it.

Did I just mentioned that I have connections:confused: Get over it. ;)

EmperorOfCanada
Feb 11th, 2009, 03:25 PM
It's common sense that a disabled person could hold their bladder/bowel

Unless their disability somehow directly affects their bladder or bowel, then yes it is common sense. I could lose a limb in an accident, or I could be born without a limb, that doesnt mean I cant eat and go to the bathroom properly.

Every time I see a "Individual that is disabled" should I automatically assume they CANT hold their bladder?

You sir are completely full of crap.

You can take that one straight to the Human rights commission :)

ariell
Feb 11th, 2009, 03:26 PM
Did I just mentioned that I have connections:confused: Get over it. ;)

Yes, actually you did mention that you have "connections". And it sounded just as silly the first time you mentioned it as it does now. No, actually, I changed my mind. You sound even more ridiculous now.

molala
Feb 11th, 2009, 03:33 PM
Yes, actually you did mention that you have "connections". And it sounded just as silly the first time you mentioned it as it does now. No, actually, I changed my mind. You sound even more ridiculous now.

Thanks for all the compliment! ;)

molala
Feb 11th, 2009, 03:37 PM
Unless their disability somehow directly affects their bladder or bowel, then yes it is common sense. I could lose a limb in an accident, or I could be born without a limb, that doesnt mean I cant eat and go to the bathroom properly.

Every time I see a "Individual that is disabled" should I automatically assume they CANT hold their bladder?

You sir are completely full of crap.

You can take that one straight to the Human rights commission :)

So you can see visually whether or not a disabled person could hold their bladder with your naked eyes before they pee in their pants? :rolleyes:

full of crap? jump off the bridge and come back and tell me how "well" your bladder works ;)

Oh...just so you know, there are medications out there to aid in bladder urgency. You think that it's ok for someone to suffer all the side effects of medication just for your comfort? Wow...what has this society becomes? :rolleyes:

Instagator
Feb 11th, 2009, 03:40 PM
Use any washroom that's available to you.
Disabled washroom = Leg room. Just like emergency seat exits on planes. lol

Barayolayosa
Feb 11th, 2009, 04:05 PM
Did your kindergarten teacher not teach you grammar?

You actually I care sh*t about my grammer on the internet?

Hahahahaha!!! Obviously NOT!

Lone_Prodigy
Feb 11th, 2009, 04:08 PM
Hey guys look a debate! All we need is poedua and this thread will be bangin'.

EmperorOfCanada
Feb 11th, 2009, 04:09 PM
Oh...just so you know, there are medications out there to aid in bladder urgency. You think that it's ok for someone to suffer all the side effects of medication just for your comfort? Wow...what has this society becomes? :rolleyes:

Lol. You inform me 'just so I know'. Then you tell me that I think its okay for them to suffer side effects? How nice of you to decide what I think for me :)

You are not even making sense. If there are 3 stalls two are in use, and one handicapped-accessible one, and I am the only one waiting. Then yes, I can look at myself in the mirror, visibly determine that it is me, quickly check my memory to determine as to whether I am disabled and/or have bladder control problems. If I AM disabled/have bladder control problems, then I proceed to use the stall in question. If I am NOT disabled/have bladder control problems, then I can safely use the bathroom, knowing that I did not deprive a handicapped/bladder control person of its use.

laptop-tech
Feb 11th, 2009, 04:11 PM
http://blog.ratestogo.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/71.jpg

SAN66
Feb 11th, 2009, 04:11 PM
Unless their disability somehow directly affects their bladder or bowel, then yes it is common sense. I could lose a limb in an accident, or I could be born without a limb, that doesnt mean I cant eat and go to the bathroom properly.

Not to defend, but I would have to say that the likelihood of someone needing the handicap washroom who has incontinence issues and mobility issues is greater, as both encompass the elderly segment of the population.

On that note, the probability of an elderly person showing up the exact moment I am in the can is negligible and if they haven't the constitution to hold it in for the period of time I'm in there, then they should be wearing depends. The stall could just as easily be occupied by another disabled person or, with such bad control, the person could just as likely not make it there.

Its not uncommon for a standard stall to be occupied, so how is there any difference between a disabled person waiting for a stall and a regular person? The incontinence issue aside, as non disabled individuals can have such issues as well.

Obviously if there is a lineup and a disabled person is waiting to use a stall, non disabled people should give the stall to the disabled person, as there is normally a smaller subset of disabled stalls in the stall ratio. Though at my office there is one male and female handicap accessible washroom on one end of the building and two other M/F washrooms at the other end with one handicap and one regular stall. Should everyone in the building only use the one regular stall? Especially since no handicap people work here.

The handicap washroom is there as an accessibility issue, just like the ramp up to your office and the handicapped seating on the bus.

EmperorOfCanada
Feb 11th, 2009, 04:11 PM
Hey guys look a debate! All we need is poedua and this thread will be bangin'.

I think a debate probably requires that the other side have something intelligent to say on the matter.

EmperorOfCanada
Feb 11th, 2009, 04:15 PM
Not to defend, but I would have to say that the likelihood of someone needing the handicap washroom who has incontinence issues and mobility issues is greater, as both encompass the elderly segment of the population.

On that note, the probability of an elderly person showing up the exact moment I am in the can is negligible and if they haven't the constitution to hold it in for the period of time I'm in there, then they should be wearing depends. The stall could just as easily be occupied by another disabled person or, with such bad control, the person could just as likely not make it there.

Its not uncommon for a standard stall to be occupied, so how is there any difference between a disabled person waiting for a stall and a regular person? The incontinence issue aside, as non disabled individuals can have such issues as well.

Obviously if there is a lineup and a disabled person is waiting to use a stall, non disabled people should give the stall to the disabled person, as there is normally a smaller subset of disabled stalls in the stall ratio. Though at my office there is one male and female handicap accessible washroom on one end of the building and two other M/F washrooms at the other end with one handicap and one regular stall. Should everyone in the building only use the one regular stall? Especially since no handicap people work here.

The handicap washroom is there as an accessibility issue, just like the ramp up to your office and the handicapped seating on the bus.

Finally something intelligent to add! I agree with you, however someone who is elderly and not disabled, can easily use a regular stall so they have more options available. I agree if there is a lineup the disabled individual obviously should be able to go first.

Nikita
Feb 11th, 2009, 04:20 PM
Wow, how did this 'discussion' go from 'handicapped' to 'incontinence' issues? One really has nothing to do with the other, at least not necessarily, except insofar as it may relate to the elderly. Handicapped washrooms are not there for people with incontinence, they're there for people with handicaps, where someone needs to get a wheelchair in their or use the special railings and stuff. And I don't think incontinence, on it's own, even satisfies the definition of 'disabled'. :confused::confused::confused:

gordholio
Feb 11th, 2009, 05:01 PM
Just use some common sense. If no other washroom is available, use it, but do your job quickly.

twotterdhc6
Feb 11th, 2009, 05:34 PM
I would never use a disabled washroom, especially when I'm uncertain about which part of the toilet is disabled.

molala
Feb 11th, 2009, 07:13 PM
Lol. You inform me 'just so I know'. Then you tell me that I think its okay for them to suffer side effects? How nice of you to decide what I think for me :)

You are not even making sense. If there are 3 stalls two are in use, and one handicapped-accessible one, and I am the only one waiting. Then yes, I can look at myself in the mirror, visibly determine that it is me, quickly check my memory to determine as to whether I am disabled and/or have bladder control problems. If I AM disabled/have bladder control problems, then I proceed to use the stall in question. If I am NOT disabled/have bladder control problems, then I can safely use the bathroom, knowing that I did not deprive a handicapped/bladder control person of its use.

Who is not making sense? :rolleyes: So are you saying that you're "powerful" enough to tell whether or not someone have a bladder issue? Are you saying that because you have to go then it gives you the right of using a washroom with extra space and the grab bar when you don't need them? :rolleyes:

I could tell you, MANY individuals with mobility disabilities have issues with the bladder and bowel. If you tell me that you are someone in a wheelchair that DOES NOT have an issue with your bladder/bowel or you know every disabled person does not, then I'm convinced. ;)Also, many seniors have issue with their bladder/bowel too who need the grab bar whereas you don't. ;)

EmperorOfCanada
Feb 11th, 2009, 07:25 PM
Who is not making sense? :rolleyes: So are you saying that you're "powerful" enough to tell whether or not someone have a bladder issue? Are you saying that because you have to go then it gives you the right of using a washroom with extra space and the grab bar when you don't need them?

You. No. Yes.

DaVibe
Feb 11th, 2009, 07:43 PM
I think this thread easily shows the common misconceptions about those that are "Disabled" ...
There are all types of disabilities in this world ... some that you can see and others you cannot.

justamy
Feb 11th, 2009, 08:11 PM
i prefer the "disabled washrooms" to the standard one's while out and about with my 2 small kids...MUCH easier to fit myself, my 4 yr old & 16 month in there :lol:

psiwashing
Feb 11th, 2009, 08:48 PM
disable washroom is different than disable parking

parking spot = minutes to hours of tying it up for potentially disabled drivers

washroom = seconds to minutes of tying it up for potentially disabled people

windforcexx28
Feb 11th, 2009, 11:17 PM
i prefer the "disabled washrooms" to the standard one's while out and about with my 2 small kids...much easier to fit myself, my 4 yr old & 16 month in there :lol:

+1

SparrowSavvy
Feb 12th, 2009, 12:32 AM
i prefer the "disabled washrooms" to the standard one's while out and about with my 2 small kids...MUCH easier to fit myself, my 4 yr old & 16 month in there :lol:

+1
No way that mom and kids can fit into a single stall. When I came out of a accessible stall with my little kids, an elderly person with a walker was waiting, and she never uttered one complaint. She just patiently waited her turn. As long as someone's not in there for an extended period of time, there should be no problem using it, especially with kids in tow. Just do the deed and leave, no need to make a production out of it. Also, please don't use your cellphone when you're on the can. That's just so wrong.

canadiantofu
Feb 12th, 2009, 12:45 AM
The answer is "No". A Disabled Parking is less private and does not have toilet paper or a flusher provided. It would be very embarrassing to you if a car pull up next to you while you are squatting there doing your business.

Angela V
Feb 12th, 2009, 02:26 AM
Many of these stalls have changing tables in them. So yes I have used these stalls to change baby diapers. I have also used these stalls when my children were young enough that we'd all go in the stall together. My youngest now goes into a stall by herself since she needs no help anymore. The only time I now will use this kind of stall is if I'm in a bathroom where the stalls are very small. I'm a tall woman and for some reason older bathrooms are made like women are tiny little things. I'd rather be able to close the door to use the potty :)