How do you all feel about this?

[Chuck Chorus]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p4bhpskMdM4

^ Some of the historical events in the video I was not even aware of.

I was ignorant of how much Asians in Western nations have faced (and continue to face even today)

Reading the history books in school, I notice it was limited mostly to the Railway systems and the Japanese internment camps during WW2.

Damn :cry:

Did anyone else on here not know that Asian men where persecuted and lynched by racist mobs in places like Los Angeles, Denver and even Australia in the past?

Damn and did any of you even know who Vincent Chin was before watching this video??

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vincent_Chin

An innocent working man loses his life due to a pair of ignorant, dumb racist douchebags who lost their jobs :mad:

:mad: And the culprits got off scott-free basically!

Vicent's mother died in 2002, heart broken with the fact her only son never received the justice he well deserved...

[rilhouse]

almost all races have been discriminated against at one time or another.

[Chuck Chorus]

almost all races have been discriminated against at one time or another.

True.

But I feel the education system, media and society in general tends to down play the extent of the harsh discrimination Asians have faced in Western nations.

Like I stated above..

All I have ever known about Asian history in Western countries have been limited mostly to the Railway systems and Japanese internment camps in WW2.

But thanks to videos like these, I am now more aware that there are a lot of buried scars not acknowledged and excluded from in the history books...

[CanadianMike]

i dont know who you can blame other than yourself for not knowing this. it seems to me you're trying to blame someone in a subtle way (society? schools? your parents? who?)

what is your proposed solution to this 'lack of knowledge'?

[Chuck Chorus]

i dont know who you can blame other than yourself for not knowing this. it seems to me you're trying to blame someone in a subtle way (society? schools? your parents? who?)

what is your proposed solution to this 'lack of knowledge'?

Hi Mike.

haha blame anybody?? now that wouldn't help the situation now would it?

proposed solution?

Not sure at this moment.

I simply felt the need to do my part in sharing hidden knowledge that you wouldn't normally find in
your mainstream History books and media ;)

[CanadianMike]

I simply felt the need to do my part in sharing hidden knowledge that you wouldn't normally find in your mainstream History books and media ;)
thats exactly it.

you're confusing 'mainstream' with 'you havent heard of it as of yet'.

just because you were in the dark about these issues doesnt mean everyone is/was.....i mean it looks like the vincent chin incident was in the 'mainstream media' at the time.

its not that these arent major issues.....just not necessarily as shocking as you're expecting, IMO.

[Chuck Chorus]

thats exactly it.

you're confusing 'mainstream' with 'you havent heard of it as of yet'.

just because you were in the dark about these issues doesnt mean everyone is/was.....i mean it looks like the vincent chin incident was in the 'mainstream media' at the time.

its not that these arent major issues.....just not necessarily as shocking as you're expecting, IMO.

hmmm...

But is he forgotten today??

Gone forever and discarded... in an unforgiven world that doesn't have the time and care for an innocent man's demise by the hands of two racist individuals who never paid for their hate crimes?

??

[AzN_RiverdaleCI]

I don't know what to feel.

[lip]

sucky thread

[board123]

Whites are racist against Asians.

Asians are racist against Asians.

People worship white.
I don't know about the other two, but Asians are definitely racist against Asians.

[BananaHunter]

Whites are racist against Asians.

Asians are racist against Asians.

People worship white.

True. I'd also add that everyone is racist against everyone. It's impossible to NOT make a racial comment at some point in time in your life. If 9 out of 10 dogs are blue, you're going to think the next dog you see will probably be blue. Same applies to race. You see enough of something of a particular race and eventually you're going to talk about it. Sometimes there is simply nothing positive you can say about it but you have to get it off your chest.

[Magoo]

Asians are racist against Asians? Do explain.

[board123]

Asians are racist against Asians? Do explain.
Asian people just don't like each other.

For example, even though I'm Asian, I find that a lot of other Asian adults have very bad breath. I associate Asian people with bad breath.

[TheFuteballer]

This unfortunately occurs with many races. I myself was just recently denied a job opportunity (in the states) due to my birth country with the company disregarding the fact that I'm a Canadian citizen and discriminating against me even though I have lived here almost my whole life.

[Piccolo]

i dont know who you can blame other than yourself for not knowing this. it seems to me you're trying to blame someone in a subtle way (society? schools? your parents? who?)

what is your proposed solution to this 'lack of knowledge'?
I agree, it seems that the OP is blaming someone for his lack of knowlegde. Not everything can and must be taught in school.
Hi Mike.

haha blame anybody?? now that wouldn't help the situation now would it?

proposed solution?

Not sure at this moment.

I simply felt the need to do my part in sharing hidden knowledge that you wouldn't normally find in your mainstream History books and media ;)
Because it is not taught in school, does not mean it is hidden knowlegde. Many races and religions have been prosecuted based on their skin colour and belief system and if you wish to obtain additional knowledge about these events then go to the library and/or search the net. I would not expect all the horrors of prosecution to be taught in school. There are many things that I will look into on my own that I was not taught in and educational institution nor would I expect to be taught in an educational institution.

[DaVibe]

I don't think this is the place to discuss this.

I don't think everything is going to be perfect when you're an "outsider."

Call it what you will but I'm talking about the historical make-up of these countries. The problems we have today stem back to that.

[syqsdg]

If this is not the place to discuss racism, then where else?

I think racism comes from both supremacy (obviously from the eye size and skin colour--"lighter" = closer to "white" = closer to "God"; also refer to the bible about humans "created in God's image", and the fact that the majority of the Western population are Christians)

... and the lack of assimilation. Some people like to keep their way of living, which sometimes affect other people. Downtown Toronto (Spadina ave.) is a perfect example of this, because of the high Asian population density. When I first came to downtown I was surprised that even the street signs were translated in Chinese. Don't you think that local non-Asian residents get tired of seeing it everyday? Then there are the sidewalk sellers who use their tents and take up pedestrians' walking space, random people yelling in their own language for all to hear, dirty restaurants... imagine yourself living every single day surrounded by these things. Which means, if you're not an Asian, you're the one who have to assimilate with these outsiders because they're the dominant ones. Hence the racism. You can also interpret it as a "fear of Asians taking over".

And I'm sure there are more than enough caucasians here who think that Asian supermarkets are filthy.

Being an Asian myself, I think I would fit into the stereotype of "Asians against Asians", but I would argue that it's the stereotypical Asians because of the stereotypical characteristics (bad breath, cheap/stingy, sneaky, paranoid, nerdy, public farter, you name it), so if there's any person of any race that possesses these traits, chances are I'll dislike them as well unless if I find something great about their personality...

________________________________

I should also mention that I don't believe that anyone can be completely not racist, because if you are not racist you would never associate any kind of person with a racial stereotype. You would not expect anyone to do something common to their race after one glance. You would not choose "Made in Canada" (or USA, Germany, w/e) products over "Made in China".

[sexpuppet6000]

Being an Asian myself, I think I would fit into the stereotype of "Asians against Asians", but I would argue that it's the stereotypical Asians because of the stereotypical characteristics (bad breath, cheap/stingy, sneaky, paranoid, nerdy, public farter, you name it), so if there's any person of any race that possesses these traits, chances are I'll dislike them as well unless if I find something great about their personality...



To clarify; I am going to assume and continue to use Asian to mean Chinese.

Chinese people hate on different types of Chinese people. I'm going to assume you are a CBC that hates on alien Chinese that haven't reformed to the norms of western culture. But even in Canada, Chinese who are from west China hate on those from east China, and vice versa; and they both hate on the south chinese. And the south Chinese hate on everything under the sun, including themselves. Chinese people just love to hate. WTH am i talking about. Its 4:30 and I haven't slept.

[Bazooka Joe]

There are also a number of places where white people get killed just for being white. This happens regularly today, nevermind 27 years ago. Are they hiding this from you as well OP?

Just because you weren't aware of the situation doesn't mean that others are also unaware. It is a good thing that you're starting to learn how to discover things on your own though.

[syqsdg]

To clarify; I am going to assume and continue to use Asian to mean Chinese.

Chinese people hate on different types of Chinese people. I'm going to assume you are a CBC that hates on alien Chinese that haven't reformed to the norms of western culture. But even in Canada, Chinese who are from west China hate on those from east China, and vice versa; and they both hate on the south chinese. And the south Chinese hate on everything under the sun, including themselves. Chinese people just love to hate. WTH am i talking about. Its 4:30 and I haven't slept.

I don't even know which part of China I'm actually from. I can't easily tell which Chinese person is from where, nor do I care. I was born in another Asian country (not necessarily East Asian) and lived among other Asian people. So based on my experiences from both my childhood and living in Canada I thought I'd mention some common typical characteristics, putting my reputation on the line. Because in a Western society with a long history of racism and heavy media influence, it's no surprise to find some phobia among communities for being implied as a racist the moment someone expresses their dislikes. The media hides really well how racist a society really is, so that people don't look as bad... Racism is too often publicly associated with extreme acts, but for me it's just a stereotype, a mere expectation of a person without knowing who they really are.
Which is why I said I don't believe that there's anyone who is not racist.

(I also forgot to include "body odour" on my list...)

I'm going to emphasize once again that it's the characteristics that I don't like. They just so happened to be commonly found among Asians, and I don't only mean Chinese people. I don't dislike them for their blood, I just expect that at least some of these characteristics are there to be found. That's the racist part. But if I come across an Asian who can prove to be someone not stereotypical, heck I'd marry them :D

Enough about me, let's get back on topic.

[board123]

To clarify; I am going to assume and continue to use Asian to mean Chinese.

Chinese people hate on different types of Chinese people. I'm going to assume you are a CBC that hates on alien Chinese that haven't reformed to the norms of western culture. But even in Canada, Chinese who are from west China hate on those from east China, and vice versa; and they both hate on the south chinese. And the south Chinese hate on everything under the sun, including themselves. Chinese people just love to hate. WTH am i talking about. Its 4:30 and I haven't slept.
You don't have to be a CBC to hate other Chinese people. There are fobs who dislike other fobs.

[Eyies]

Asian people just don't like each other.

For example, even though I'm Asian, I find that a lot of other Asian adults have very bad breath. I associate Asian people with bad breath.

Uhh. Right so association is considered racism?

I think a lot of people don't even understand what racism is, it seems so long as you mention the word race, ethnicity, white, black, asian or hispanic, people automatically call it racist.

[ullyeus]

almost all races have been discriminated against at one time or another.

yes sir.

[ullyeus]

I simply felt the need to do my part in sharing hidden knowledge that you wouldn't normally find in
your mainstream History books and media ;)

There are volumes of books and videos and everything else about this....it's not hidden just because no one laid it out for you in school. You should go to a library and just look around....there is tones of knowledge and history there and you will ever only know a tiny fraction of it!

[Chuck Chorus]

I don't think this is the place to discuss this.

I don't think everything is going to be perfect when you're an "outsider."

Call it what you will but I'm talking about the historical make-up of these countries. The problems we have today stem back to that.

Exactly.

The problems we have today often do stem from the past.

Its just that, many of the younger generations today are ignorant of what has actually happened in that past.

I mean honestly, how can we expect an individual to even venture into a library and research topics that they probably are not even aware of?

^ Which brings me back to my whole point.

If the school sytem practices the act of excluding significant events of an Ethnic group's experiences (i.e the mass lynchings of Asians throughout various parts of the Western World)

...

What is the likelihood of him/her all of a sudden brainstorming a topic such as "Asians being lynched in the past 150 years in Western History" out of the blue
:confused:

If you look at Black History through a North American context, you would realize that such important topics are widely distributed and acknowledged because; Black People have fought for so long to have their experiences preserved in our school systems and taught in our school systems.

Their struggles and hardships are not lost in vain
thanks in part to the strong willed
individuals who lobby for their People's right to acknowledgement.

And obviously what is a People without It's HISTORY???

And what is History when certain facts are excluded, knowledge hidden and eventually lost in obscure??

INCOMPLETE.

[r0binh00d]

I don't think the problems in Canada today are really "racism" but there is a deeper root problem.

Up until about 30 years ago Canada was a predominantly White Christian society where immigrants did a good job of integrating into the system.

Starting in the 70s we had a new group of immigrants come to Canada. Over the last twenty years the new set of immigrants got more demanding (both socially and economically) in that Canada accommodate them.

Rather than integrating into society - the new immigrants want society to change their needs. The established (predominantly white Christian) society does not like the changes that are being forced on it.

The old saying is "When in Rome do as the Romans do".

This is not the case today.
Today the "whites" feel like they are being trampled on and everything they know is being destroyed.
The old value system is being trashed
The people that built this society that everyone wants to immigrate to today are getting no respect.

This is the root of the animosity.

[ullyeus]

I don't think the problems in Canada today are really "racism" but there is a deeper root problem.

Up until about 30 years ago Canada was a predominantly White Christian society where immigrants did a good job of integrating into the system.

Starting in the 70s we had a new group of immigrants come to Canada. Over the last twenty years the new set of immigrants got more demanding in that Canada accommodate them.

Rather than integrating into society - the new immigrants want society to change their needs. The established (predominantly white Christian) society does not like the changes that are being forced on it.

The old saying is "When in Rome do as the Romans do".

This is not the case today.

This is the root of the animosity.

Some only lightly veiled racism here me thinks...but....let's talk.

#1 Are you implying that the White Christians are no longer a majority in Canada?

#2 Canada has always prided itself on being a mosaic of cultures rather than a "melting pot". There is nothing wrong with adapting to other cultures.

[bokep]

I don't think the problems in Canada today are really "racism" but there is a deeper root problem.

Up until about 30 years ago Canada was a predominantly White Christian society where immigrants did a good job of integrating into the system.

Starting in the 70s we had a new group of immigrants come to Canada. Over the last twenty years the new set of immigrants got more demanding (both socially and economically) in that Canada accommodate them.

Rather than integrating into society - the new immigrants want society to change their needs. The established (predominantly white Christian) society does not like the changes that are being forced on it.

The old saying is "When in Rome do as the Romans do".

This is not the case today.
Today the "whites" feel like they are being trampled on and everything they know is being destroyed.
The old value system is being trashed
The people that built this society that everyone wants to immigrate to today are getting no respect.

This is the root of the animosity.

Thank you for sharing your opinion. Now don't do it again.

[Blunt]

Chuck Chorus > I will assume you're an adult now, so pick up a book yourself and try to learn it yourself. No one is here to feed you history. In terms of documentation of Asians in Western Society, there are tons of books and courses that you can take.
Blame yourself if you are currently in an ignorant state, but you can fix that if you choose, the material is out there.

[Chuck Chorus]

I don't think the problems in Canada today are really "racism" but there is a deeper root problem.

Up until about 30 years ago Canada was a predominantly White Christian society where immigrants did a good job of integrating into the system.

Starting in the 70s we had a new group of immigrants come to Canada. Over the last twenty years the new set of immigrants got more demanding (both socially and economically) in that Canada accommodate them.

Rather than integrating into society - the new immigrants want society to change their needs. The established (predominantly white Christian) society does not like the changes that are being forced on it.

The old saying is "When in Rome do as the Romans do".

This is not the case today.
Today the "whites" feel like they are being trampled on and everything they know is being destroyed.
The old value system is being trashed
The people that built this society that everyone wants to immigrate to today are getting no respect.

This is the root of the animosity.

To counter your claim,

Did the European People who gradually colonized Canada ever stop to think about how the Aboriginal/Natives felt?

Did they ever stop to think about the land that they took to build this society?

Did they stop to think about the harmful effects of forced assimilation put upon Aborginal youth who were literally stolen from their parents and families?? Just to put them into schools where they were made to lose their languages, customs and traditions?

Did they stop to reconsider that there were those who were there before them?

***Oh btw**
When you stated above

"The people that built this society"

You ARE including the many Black Loyalist who assisted and fought for "British North America" right?

And you ARE including the many original Chinese men who worked for very very cheap labour and contributed to building the Canadian Pacific Railway (often doing the most dangerous work) right?

Just making sure :D

[squall458]

I don't think the problems in Canada today are really "racism" but there is a deeper root problem.

Up until about 30 years ago Canada was a predominantly White Christian society where immigrants did a good job of integrating into the system.

Starting in the 70s we had a new group of immigrants come to Canada. Over the last twenty years the new set of immigrants got more demanding (both socially and economically) in that Canada accommodate them.

Rather than integrating into society - the new immigrants want society to change their needs. The established (predominantly white Christian) society does not like the changes that are being forced on it.

The old saying is "When in Rome do as the Romans do".

This is not the case today.
Today the "whites" feel like they are being trampled on and everything they know is being destroyed.
The old value system is being trashed
The people that built this society that everyone wants to immigrate to today are getting no respect.

This is the root of the animosity.

Actually this person has some correct ideas. Old immigrants use to live in ethnic enclaves but would move out and integrate with other cultures once they got good jobs and made money. Now the immigrants are going directly to the suburbs and they choose to stay because the people around them speak their language, have similar customs/culture and therefore, there is no need to assimilate. If you look at Brampton, Scarborough, Mississauga and other parts of the GTA, you will find this is different than how Chinatown and old italy started.

[Chuck Chorus]

Actually this person has some correct ideas. Old immigrants use to live in ethnic enclaves but would move out and integrate with other cultures once they got good jobs and made money. Now the immigrants are going directly to the suburbs and they choose to stay because the people around them speak their language, have similar customs/culture and therefore, there is no need to assimilate. If you look at Brampton, Scarborough, Mississauga and other parts of the GTA, you will find this is different than how Chinatown and old italy started.

Wait wait...

Haven't White People done exactly just this when Black People moved into areas where Anglo-Saxons were originally the majority??

I think its called "White Flight"?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_flight

And when you say "Immigrants"

... you are including Poles, Irish, British, Germans, Scottish, French, Spanish, Portuguese, Greek, Italians, Ukrainians (sorry if I missed anybody) too right?

Cuz to my knowledge ^ at one time or another were also Immigrants themselves :D

[syqsdg]

Why don't we talk about RECENT immigrants, which is what everyone deals with nowadays? I can't see the need to bring up the fact that whites are also immigrants from hundreds of years ago other than to call them hypocrites and ignore how they feel and what they have to say.

True. I'd also add that everyone is racist against everyone. It's impossible to NOT make a racial comment at some point in time in your life. If 9 out of 10 dogs are blue, you're going to think the next dog you see will probably be blue. Same applies to race. You see enough of something of a particular race and eventually you're going to talk about it. Sometimes there is simply nothing positive you can say about it but you have to get it off your chest.

+1

[Chuck Chorus]

Why don't we talk about RECENT immigrants, which is what everyone deals with nowadays? I can't see the need to bring up the fact that whites are also immigrants from hundreds of years ago other than to call them hypocrites and ignore how they feel and what they have to say.



+1

What abour recent immigrants?

I find that some of the older generations who immigrate here have a tougher time "assimilating" with mainstream society. This is especially the case where language is a major barrier.

Can't really blame them though. Its tough as hell for them somedays bet. So they find understanding and support within their own community. How is that a bad thing?

For the 1st and 2nd generations, I see a vast step forward in their "assimilation" but... sometimes you can still sense that there is a struggle for self identity.....

Anyhoo a bit ot but relating to this still...

An Aboriginal friend (Ojibwe) of mines has stated that it pisses him off whenever ANYBODY starts blaming and using Immigrants (recent or past) as scapegoats. He has time and time again said that he could have very well made excuses himself and blame "Immigrants" like so many of his peers did and fall for alcohol and substance abuse.

Instead ^ he decided to pursue his passions in advocacy by volunteering and is currently studying to be a Social Worker. Good guy really.

Heck just last summer he came to the defense of an Asian friend of his in a bar. Some racist White guy was using the C-Word and all that and blaming Asians for his recent demotion at work, break up w/his gf and yaddy yadda. Getting all up in his face. So my friend made a stand and flatly put the racist in his place (verbally of course lol) :D

Like I said, awesome guy!!

[r0binh00d]

I guess the tough thing for people on this forum is that many of you were not around in the 60s and 70s. I hear the stories from family members that immigrated in the 60s. There was "racism" against them but they still strove to integrate. The advantage to the immigrants up to the 60s is that they were primarily of European descent and so held similar values and so it was easier to integrate once they learned the language. The Italians, Germans, Ukrainians, Yugoslavs etc did not seek to change society but they wanted to be a part of society. By the second generation they were pretty much integrated.

The old European immigrants did not as "What can you do for ME?"

Today we can't even say "Merry Christmas" even though 70%+ of Canadians are Christians of one sort or another.

As for the Natives - I agree that they got screwed but they got screwed by the English and French 100 to 300 years ago. The Germans, Italians, French and Yugoslavs did not screw the Natives.

As for who built this society - well it was the Europeans with the Christian Values that built this capitalist/democractic society that everyone wants to immigrate to but then they want to change.

[ullyeus]

As for who built this society - well it was the Europeans with the Christian Values that built this capitalist/democractic society that everyone wants to immigrate to but then they want to change.

Many of the founders of North American culture were actually fleeing religous persecution so I would disagree with your assumption it was built on "Christian values".

ps: and you can say "merry christmas" to whomever you want, and people can also say "insert any holiday greeting"

[r0binh00d]

Many of the founders of North American culture were actually fleeing religous persecution so I would disagree with your assumption it was built on "Christian values".

Can you elaborate who was fleeing religious persecution from 1800 to 1970?

Yes you know the myth that the Pilgrims fled Britain because of religious persecution but I do not know of any Europeans that fled due to religious persecution.

Since most immigrants were of European descent it WAS Christian Values that North American society was built on.

[Futuristic_Eel]

i dont know who you can blame other than yourself for not knowing this. it seems to me you're trying to blame someone in a subtle way (society? schools? your parents? who?)

what is your proposed solution to this 'lack of knowledge'?

Let's face it, the mass media, which includes textbook publishers, have a stronghold on the outflow and propagation of knowledge. Why do you think we watch things like documentaries? Because they express viewpoints that are not necessarily expounded by the common outlets.

As far as I'm concerned, the OP doesn't need to propose any solution; he is the solution. By enlightening others of past racial transgressions, the OP is essentially purveying the knowledge that he feels has been inadequately proliferated.

People of your ilk, however, contribute to society's ignorance. When other people share information, you downplay it as if it is common knowledge and make them feel foolish for sharing.

You already know this stuff? Fine, sit down and be quiet. Not only does your message possess little substance, it also dissuades others from learning something that carries much more relevance than what you have to offer.

[CanadianMike]

Let's face it, the mass media, which includes textbook publishers, have a stronghold on the outflow and propagation of knowledge. Why do you think we watch things like documentaries? Because they express viewpoints that are not necessarily expounded by the common outlets.
yes....because documentaries are never connected to this mass media.....:rolleyes:
As far as I'm concerned, the OP doesn't need to propose any solution; he is the solution.
i doubt the solution is pretending mainstream history is somehow this big secret that only the OP can 'open our eyes' to see.....:rolleyes:
By enlightening others of past racial transgressions, the OP is essentially purveying the knowledge that he feels has been inadequately proliferated.
enlightening who?

its like making a post saying 'OMG DID YOU KNOW THERE USED TO BE SLAVERY IN THE U.S.?'.......its nice that you felt so enlightened finding this out, but dont go around pretending your 'opening eyes' by retelling well established history.
People of your ilk, however, contribute to society's ignorance. When other people share information, you downplay it as if it is common knowledge and make them feel foolish for sharing.
:rolleyes:

on the contrary, OP wasnt merely 'sharing'...he was asserting that this knowledge was some kind of hidden secret that only he is revealing...if anything, he was trying to claim everyone else was ignorant of relatively well documented history.

then again, you're advocating we listen to random people like OP spewing out nonsense about 'enlightenment' for information rather than simply finding out these things from more legitimate sources by ourselves. so no wonder you think i pitch ignorance.....im proposing you actually take the time to read something of substance rather than rely on random postings for your history :rolleyes:
You already know this stuff? Fine, sit down and be quiet. Not only does your message possess little substance, it also dissuades others from learning something that carries much more relevance than what you have to offer.
i didnt dissuade anyone from learning....i questioned the OP's assertion that they were somehow 'enlightening' the rest of us by posting it.

all your post did is explain to me that people should be listening to random contributors on forums for their history.......:lol:

[Eyies]

Let's face it, the mass media, which includes textbook publishers, have a stronghold on the outflow and propagation of knowledge. Why do you think we watch things like documentaries? Because they express viewpoints that are not necessarily expounded by the common outlets.

As far as I'm concerned, the OP doesn't need to propose any solution; he is the solution. By enlightening others of past racial transgressions, the OP is essentially purveying the knowledge that he feels has been inadequately proliferated.

People of your ilk, however, contribute to society's ignorance. When other people share information, you downplay it as if it is common knowledge and make them feel foolish for sharing.

You already know this stuff? Fine, sit down and be quiet. Not only does your message possess little substance, it also dissuades others from learning something that carries much more relevance than what you have to offer.

+1 Well said.

CanadianMike, don't try to downplay knowledge. Common knowledge is something like: discrimination exists, asians and many other ethnic groups were discriminated against. It is not unfair to assume many people (myself included) do not know a vast number of specific incidences of it.

Your posts just makes it seem like you try to dismiss history's importance in a sort of apathetic way. You merely shrug it off, then proceed to call anyone who doesn't know thoroughly an idiot. Who's more of an idiot, someone who is willing to learn more about history, or the one who doesn't even care to draw some conclusions, meaning, or insight from the knowledge?

Personally, I found OP's post useful.

[CanadianMike]

CanadianMike, don't try to downplay knowledge.
i think threads like this downplay knowledge.

claiming wikipedia articles and random facts are providing 'enlightenment' is pretty out there.
Common knowledge is something like: discrimination exists, asians and many other ethnic groups were discriminated against. It is not unfair to assume many people (myself included) do not know a vast number of specific incidences of it.
im not even stating that i knew EVERY example being mentioned in this thread.

im just scoffing at putting this knowledge on such a pedestal--'enlightening'/'opening eyes'.
Your posts just makes it seem like you try to dismiss history's importance in a sort of apathetic way.
wrong. in fact, OP was dismissing history by trying to claim these events were swept under the rug, when they were found plenty in 'mainstream media'...confirmed from OP's own links!
You merely shrug it off, then proceed to call anyone who doesn't know thoroughly an idiot.
actually, this thread is asserting that everyone else are idiots....as they need some random post on a forum to 'enlighten' them.
Who's more of an idiot, someone who is willing to learn more about history, or the one who doesn't even care to draw some conclusions, meaning, or insight from the knowledge?
http://www.pspcrazy.com/images/news/image/FacePalm_picard.jpg

oh man.....im the one who is encouraging people to learn the history, rather than merely rely on sensationalized posts that are trying to claim society has somehow failed people because certain members dont know the details of every atrocity :rolleyes:

id rather draw real conclusions than simply rely on childish conspiracy theories about 'knowledge being hidden'.

[Chuck Chorus]

Mike ^

-1st of all,

I doubt an impacting video made by a subscriber on Youtube would truly constitute as "mainstream" lol... only about 2,971 people have viewed this vid.
I am sure if you randomly go about on the street and ask people their opinions on this video... you would most likely draw a blank look. CNN is mainstream, The History Channel is mainstream, the widely distributed history text books we find in our courses are mainstream, the films you see on television and in movie theatres are mainstream.

- 2nd of all,

You really like to twist people's words or misinterprete what they have to say don't you?? Nowhere have I myself said that "everybody" is ignorant of this stuff. "Everybody" is a powerful word. There is a difference when one says "MANY" compared to "Everybody". I feel many of today's generation could benefit in seeing this video and taking that journey to their local library and digging up this valuable information for self knowledge.

- 3rd of all,

You have sunken to the cliche of labelling someone a "conspiracy theorist"
simply because the word "hidden" was mentioned. So what if the word hidden was included? When or where did I ever say that this information was hidden on purpose with ill intent by an entity??? Heck it could have simply been hidden through time because those who wrote our mainstream history books didn't feel that this stuff was important to THEM. Maybe they didn't know any better.

^ Is it so wrong that I did my part in sharing this video with fellow RFD'ers? How have I offended you Mike??

[CanadianMike]

-1st of all,

I doubt an impacting video made by a subscriber on Youtube would truly constitute as "mainstream" lol... only about 2,971 people have viewed this vid.
I am sure if you randomly go about on the street and ask people their opinions on this video... you would most likely draw a blank look. CNN is mainstream, The History Channel is mainstream, the widely distributed history text books we find in our courses are mainstream, the films you see on television and in movie theatres are mainstream.
exactly.

check out your own vincent chin wikipedia article.

i already addressed this.......your own link demonstrates that there have been a number of documentaries and media content relating to that incident. claiming its hidden is just dubious.....from the looks of it, its probably been on these 'mainstream' sources you blame for people being ignorant.
- 2nd of all,

I feel many of today's generation could benefit in seeing this video and taking that journey to their local library and digging up this valuable information for self knowledge.
already addressed by other posters:
Chuck Chorus > I will assume you're an adult now, so pick up a book yourself and try to learn it yourself. No one is here to feed you history. In terms of documentation of Asians in Western Society, there are tons of books and courses that you can take.
Blame yourself if you are currently in an ignorant state, but you can fix that if you choose, the material is out there.
take that advice....and stop living in this delusion that you're 'doing your part to bring ignorant people out of the darkness'.
When or where did I ever say that this information was hidden on purpose with ill intent by an entity??? Heck it could have simply been hidden through time because those who wrote our mainstream history books didn't feel that this stuff was important to THEM. Maybe they didn't know any better.
sigh......you're making my point for me.

you keep going back to implying in one way or another this information was obscured from you....whether maliciously or not. as another poster said in this thread:
I agree, it seems that the OP is blaming someone for his lack of knowlegde. Not everything can and must be taught in school.

Because it is not taught in school, does not mean it is hidden knowlegde. Many races and religions have been prosecuted based on their skin colour and belief system and if you wish to obtain additional knowledge about these events then go to the library and/or search the net. I would not expect all the horrors of prosecution to be taught in school. There are many things that I will look into on my own that I was not taught in and educational institution nor would I expect to be taught in an educational institution.
Is it so wrong that I did my part in sharing this video with fellow RFD'ers?
its this constant talk from atop the pedestal.....:rolleyes:

'did my part'....elaborate, in what?? :confused:

sorry, but i just dont buy that posting a twisted summary of a few events based on a youtube vid and a couple wikipedia articles is really all that 'enlightening'.

however, to be fair, it seems you take this approach in other topics as well, i.e. you were apparently just informed that police brutality can be a reality:
Sigh you may be right :(

this sort of stuff is common nowadays isn't it...

[Chuck Chorus]

Mike ^ roflmfao

I could care less if you "buy" into whatever I express or share on here.

Since when did everything revolve around what you deem as worthy or not???

I find the way you dug up a post of mine in another thread a bit comical (please don't do stand up, thats not what I meant) and creepy at the same time.

And I find the fact you continue to dissect not only MY post but a few other fellow RFD'er's post kind of... desperate??

I mean is this issue THAT important to you that you feel the need to do this??

^ If so... I feel very sorry for you and would like to give you your "victory"

Okay??? :) Feel good about yourself yet?

You win!!

O o

[hugh_da_man]

What abour recent immigrants?

I find that some of the older generations who immigrate here have a tougher time "assimilating" with mainstream society. This is especially the case where language is a major barrier.

Can't really blame them though. Its tough as hell for them somedays bet. So they find understanding and support within their own community. How is that a bad thing?

For the 1st and 2nd generations, I see a vast step forward in their "assimilation" but... sometimes you can still sense that there is a struggle for self identity.....

Anyhoo a bit ot but relating to this still...

An Aboriginal friend (Ojibwe) of mines has stated that it pisses him off whenever ANYBODY starts blaming and using Immigrants (recent or past) as scapegoats. He has time and time again said that he could have very well made excuses himself and blame "Immigrants" like so many of his peers did and fall for alcohol and substance abuse.

Instead ^ he decided to pursue his passions in advocacy by volunteering and is currently studying to be a Social Worker. Good guy really.

Heck just last summer he came to the defense of an Asian friend of his in a bar. Some racist White guy was using the C-Word and all that and blaming Asians for his recent demotion at work, break up w/his gf and yaddy yadda. Getting all up in his face. So my friend made a stand and flatly put the racist in his place (verbally of course lol) :D

Like I said, awesome guy!!

What did it matter what colour the racist guy's skin was? Oh wait, the story is more believable if the guy is "white"...carry on

[Chuck Chorus]

What did it matter what colour the racist guy's skin was? Oh wait, the story is more believable if the guy is "white"...carry on

What did you want me to say???

That the guy was Purple or Green??

Thanks for trying to reverse the role and make ME the "villain" lol

I'm sure if I excluded the guy's skin colour... somebody would have eventually asked anyways
lol

[CanadianMike]

Since when did everything revolve around what you deem as worthy or not???
see, thats why its great....theres a load of information publicly available regarding what you call 'hidden history'.

im not asserting it as being worthy or not....reality is, and establishing that just because YOU dont know something, doesnt make it 'hidden' ;)
I find the way you dug up a post of mine in another thread a bit comical (please don't do stand up, thats not what I meant) and creepy at the same time.
i think this is a pretty solid indication you have nothing worthy to reply with, so you've resorted to name calling ;)
And I find the fact you continue to dissect not only MY post but a few other fellow RFD'er's post kind of... desperate??
*sniffle*.....someone on RFD said im desperate :( i guess i just wont be able to continue....
I mean is this issue THAT important to you that you feel the need to do this??
may i remind you that YOU opened the thread? ;)
I mean honestly, how can we expect an individual to even venture into a library and research topics that they probably are not even aware of?
:lol:

GO
READ
BOOKS

:lol:

(i think the whole point of 'researching topics' is to find out about things im 'not even aware of'....if i was already aware of it, there wouldnt be much to discover ;))
If the school sytem practices the act of excluding significant events of an Ethnic group's experiences (i.e the mass lynchings of Asians throughout various parts of the Western World)
how about some evidence of its exclusion BEYOND the fact YOU'RE ignorant of these atrocities? :confused:

.....and you said you werent pitching a conspiracy theory?
What is the likelihood of him/her all of a sudden brainstorming a topic such as "Asians being lynched in the past 150 years in Western History" out of the blue :confused:
thats why we humans document what happens.....then we end up with a thing called 'history', and you can study it.
And what is History when certain facts are excluded, knowledge hidden and eventually lost in obscure??

INCOMPLETE.
how was this knowledge excluded/hidden/lost if so much information about it exists? ;)

[hugh_da_man]

What did you want me to say???

That the guy was Purple or Green??

Thanks for trying to reverse the role and make ME the "villain" lol

I'm sure if I excluded the guy's skin colour... somebody would have eventually asked anyways
lol

"Some racist guy" is more than enough. I'm not trying to make you the "villian" I'm saying that throwing in the race isn't really necessary.

By the way, I believe the reason more of this stuff isn't highlighted in school is because there is far too much to cover in the limited amount of time they have to teach. Since the railroad and the internment camps were some of the biggest screw ups committed by the Canadian people in the past, they get the most time. That and the goal is to teach a breadth of information so that people can make a decision on what they want to learn more about. I'm sure there are plenty of books and classes you can take to further enlighten yourself.

It's too bad that we don't have more time to spend on these things, as we do promote ourselves as being a multicultural society, but every topic has to have its limits or we'd be in school till we were 30.

[CeoOfKFC]

America is just jealous of this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4PmoAMo5Sk4&feature=channel_page

[r0binh00d]

People here like to cry Racism.
Lets investigate other places in the world

Racism in China
http://thechinaexpat.com/racism-in-china/
Racism against black people may be the strongest form of racism in China. Many families in China would be horrified if their son or daughter married a black person. Some would even disown them outright. It can be difficult getting a job teaching English in China if you are black. This is because of the perception of many people in China that only white people are ‘true Americans’ or ‘true English’ people.

Racism in India
http://www.desipundit.com/2007/02/07/racism-in-india/
“But Indians are caught in the middle, they look up to the Whites and look down on the Blacks. They clearly see themselves as being in between."

http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=113666
"A number of British newspapers on Thursday carried the story about dancers Ellesha Newton, 22, and Sherinne Anderson, 25, claiming they were stopped from going on stage by organisers ahead of a match involving Kings XI Punjab in Mohali. Newton told The Sun newspaper: "An organiser pulled us away. He said the people here don't want to see dark people. "The 'n' word was used and they said they only wanted beautiful white girls. We were crying. I could understand if it were the crowd but they were very receptive."

The stain that just won’t wash
http://shivamvij.com/2007/02/03/the-stain-that-just-wont-wash/
Like many other students from Africa, John Patrick Ojwando chose to come to India, to Mysore, for higher education as it was cheaper here than in Europe or the US. Ojwando is from Kenya, which has a large Indian population, and so he thought India wouldn’t seem too foreign. But it was only when he arrived here that he realised just how much of an outsider Indians could make him feel, and that Indians in India were in fact plainly racist.

I occassionally watch Bollywood movies with my friends. I have always found it odd that the "stars" are the lighter caucasian-looking Indians while your rarely see the "darker" Indians on the big screen. Then think of the Caste System which is still alive and well.

Iran's anti-Arab racism
http://www.petertatchell.net/international/iranantiarabracism.htm
Iran treats its Arab minority as second-class citizens. Now it is planning to hang six of them after rigged trials held in secret

I could go on and on and on - visiting every country in the world and find similar news. Canada is probably one of the LEAST racist countries in the world.

The root issue in Canada is that we have a "Victim Culture". People find political power by being a victim. Everyone wants to be a victim. For that reason I think people in Canada love to cry racism at every opportunity to absolve themselves of personal failure. (Externalizing the problem).

An interesting term that I saw in my googling which I think better captures the root issue of race conflict. "Socio-Cultural Conflict" best describes the real issues.

[Chuck Chorus]

"Some racist guy" is more than enough. I'm not trying to make you the "villian" I'm saying that throwing in the race isn't really necessary.

By the way, I believe the reason more of this stuff isn't highlighted in school is because there is far too much to cover in the limited amount of time they have to teach. Since the railroad and the internment camps were some of the biggest screw ups committed by the Canadian people in the past, they get the most time. That and the goal is to teach a breadth of information so that people can make a decision on what they want to learn more about. I'm sure there are plenty of books and classes you can take to further enlighten yourself.

It's too bad that we don't have more time to spend on these things, as we do promote ourselves as being a multicultural society, but every topic has to have its limits or we'd be in school till we were 30.

Without a doubt.

I also think that those mass lynchings against Asian men in the past have to be accounted for as well.

[Chuck Chorus]

People here like to cry Racism.
Lets investigate other places in the world

Racism in China
http://thechinaexpat.com/racism-in-china/
Racism against black people may be the strongest form of racism in China. Many families in China would be horrified if their son or daughter married a black person. Some would even disown them outright. It can be difficult getting a job teaching English in China if you are black. This is because of the perception of many people in China that only white people are ‘true Americans’ or ‘true English’ people.

Racism in India
http://www.desipundit.com/2007/02/07/racism-in-india/
“But Indians are caught in the middle, they look up to the Whites and look down on the Blacks. They clearly see themselves as being in between."

http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=113666
"A number of British newspapers on Thursday carried the story about dancers Ellesha Newton, 22, and Sherinne Anderson, 25, claiming they were stopped from going on stage by organisers ahead of a match involving Kings XI Punjab in Mohali. Newton told The Sun newspaper: "An organiser pulled us away. He said the people here don't want to see dark people. "The 'n' word was used and they said they only wanted beautiful white girls. We were crying. I could understand if it were the crowd but they were very receptive."

The stain that just won’t wash
http://shivamvij.com/2007/02/03/the-stain-that-just-wont-wash/
Like many other students from Africa, John Patrick Ojwando chose to come to India, to Mysore, for higher education as it was cheaper here than in Europe or the US. Ojwando is from Kenya, which has a large Indian population, and so he thought India wouldn’t seem too foreign. But it was only when he arrived here that he realised just how much of an outsider Indians could make him feel, and that Indians in India were in fact plainly racist.

I occassionally watch Bollywood movies with my friends. I have always found it odd that the "stars" are the lighter caucasian-looking Indians while your rarely see the "darker" Indians on the big screen. Then think of the Caste System which is still alive and well.

Iran's anti-Arab racism
http://www.petertatchell.net/international/iranantiarabracism.htm
Iran treats its Arab minority as second-class citizens. Now it is planning to hang six of them after rigged trials held in secret

I could go on and on and on - visiting every country in the world and find similar news. Canada is probably one of the LEAST racist countries in the world.

The root issue in Canada is that we have a "Victim Culture". People find political power by being a victim. Everyone wants to be a victim. For that reason I think people in Canada love to cry racism at every opportunity to absolve themselves of personal failure. (Externalizing the problem).

An interesting term that I saw in my googling which I think better captures the root issue of race conflict. "Socio-Cultural Conflict" best describes the real issues.

Thanks for sharing these links Robinhood ^

I'm gonna do my best to read them :D

"Cant we all just get along" R.King

[RiCHC3]

I'm half asian (Filipino / American), I can't say I've experienced much racism at all, at least knowingly (maybe behind the scenes, but *shrug*).

I think there's a good combination of people who are either overly sensitive (read: paranoid/insecure) as well as a a number of people who are simply jerks... but to everyone.

All in all, from what I've seen / heard from others, I wouldn't say racism is much of a problem, at least in Canada. If anything, I can't say I'm too fond of particular boards that require / hire people primarily based on race to offer some sort of "representation", rather than focusing on "qualification".

If you ever asked me who I thought was truly discriminated against I'd probably say women. (don't feel like writing for pages to explain my point, but I'm sure most people can logically infer as to why).

Short version: **** happens to everyone... children, women, men (of all backgrounds), disabled people, homeless, etc. Things have definitely come a long way though, for the better, don't hang onto the past (especially since you weren't even alive).

[xcentric]

Whites are racist against Asians.

Asians are racist against Asians.

People worship white.

Cause white is right & center of the universe....for now...

Are Whites MORE racist to Blacks OR Asians?

Whites certainly can relate to Blacks more in general(since they're westernized,) yet highly detest the crimes, violence, poverty, handouts, uneducated citizens, that they stereotype Africans with. Yet its a love hate relation, take a look at interracial couples for instance, many single WHITE mothers with mixed kids, and the father figure not to be found, on welfare!
An Asian guy would rarely do that. =)

Asians certainly have their faults and bad habits. As foreigners(non westernized) coming a long way, NEVER asking for handouts/but rather just work HARDER, than go on welfare etc.. Unfortunately most being EDUCATED/bit timid/decent character overall, doesn't seem to be enough for whites to choose/relate over blacks?

Asians certainly look down on Blacks, but yet few still follow hiphop/urban culture cause its "cool." Blacks dont care for our success, neither do whites really that much more, and just view Asians as slant eyed & nerdy, or "UNcool" so to speak. So if anything, I think Asians have more of reason to complain(yet don't), than Blacks.

As for Latinos, Arabs, etc..., theyre still considered Westernized, and seem to be accepted more by the almighty Whites, than Asians ever will.

:|:lol:

[syqsdg]

As for Latinos, Arabs, etc..., theyre still considered Westernized, and seem to be accepted more by the almighty Whites, than Asians ever will.

:|:lol:
I would've let it go if you were from some suburb city, but coming from Toronto...

Oh yeah...

http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/showthread.php?t=699403

:D

[Chuck Chorus]

Funny thing... I saw on tv... people were asked to rank the races.

#1 was white.
#2 was Asian.

The Latinos and Blacks said that the Asians have it easier than Latinos and Blacks.

Model Minority theory

http://www.asianweek.com/2008/05/30/why-being-%E2%80%98good-at-math%E2%80%99-can-be-a-bad-thing-perpetuating-model-minority-stereotypes-leads-to-resentment-and-anger-toward-asian-americans/

Your very success can be your downfall... especially if your peers start blaming all their hardships on your triumphs..

[thomsonst780]

What did you want me to say???

That the guy was Purple or Green??

Thanks for trying to reverse the role and make ME the "villain" lol

I'm sure if I excluded the guy's skin colour... somebody would have eventually asked anyways
lol

You are acting like a racist. All you see is colour. Get a blog. Train wreck thread without the train.

[Chuck Chorus]

You are acting like a racist. All you see is colour. Get a blog. Train wreck thread without the train.

What about the news reports that include individual suspect's skin tone or colours???

I don't see you making a stand against them.

So go ahead and reverse the role of making ME the "villain" and label me a racist.

I will label you a boring troll. Get a life.

Bring it :)

[phomp]

Oh great another one of these threads....

Every race has been presicuted against. You want to stand up for just one?

You make a thread about how "white people" treat asians but you do not seem to concerned about how Black people have been treated by in China. What about how the Arabs treated the Africans? It is not just white people. Racism is not just a "white people" problem, it is a people problem. What is the point of that video?

For the record, I find that (and could be wrong) white familes are more tolerant than anyone or just as tolerant on mixed ethnic relationships.

In my circle of friends (I am a white dude) I am the minorty which I have absolutely no problem with. In my grade 8 class, out of around 30 students..I was one of 3 white students in the class. Again I have no problem with that, but you can guess which 3 students were picked on simply because of skin color right? My brother was put in a class of 27 where he was the only white student. He was being picked on, and when my mother asked the school to transfer him to another class she was called a racist by the principal of the school. Everyone loves to through out that racist term. I would say that living in Toronto in the area I do, I have experienced the same amount of racism as the next average guy of another race.


It comes from everywhere.

So how do I feel about it? It is wrong. But it is not an isolated problem.

[Chuck Chorus]

Oh great another one of these threads....

Every race has been presicuted against. You want to stand up for just one?

You make a thread about how "white people" treat asians but you do not seem to concerned about how Black people have been treated by in China. What about how the Arabs treated the Africans? It is not just white people. Racism is not just a "white people" problem, it is a people problem. What is the point of that video?

For the record, I find that (and could be wrong) white familes are more tolerant than anyone or just as tolerant on mixed ethnic relationships.

In my circle of friends (I am a white dude) I am the minorty which I have absolutely no problem with. In my grade 8 class, out of around 30 students..I was one of 3 white students in the class. Again I have no problem with that, but you can guess which 3 students were picked on simply because of skin color right? My brother was put in a class of 27 where he was the only white student. He was being picked on, and when my mother asked the school to transfer him to another class she was called a racist by the principal of the school. Everyone loves to through out that racist term. I would say that living in Toronto in the area I do, I have experienced the same amount of racism as the next average guy of another race.


It comes from everywhere.

So how do I feel about it? It is wrong. But it is not an isolated problem.

Hi Phomp. One battle at a time my friend.

I have in the past done spoken word against injustice in Darfur, against racism in South Africa, against injustice in East Timor, against discrimination against Gays in the work force and community, etc etc.

I have been doing spoken word + stage performance for about the last 7 odd years. Just getting back into the swing of things though. Been taking a break lol.

But others have told me the opposite of what you suggested to me... they say "don't be a jack of all trades, focus on one main issue and you can get far instead of jumping around all the time"

???

[xcentric]

Funny thing... I saw on tv... people were asked to rank the races.

#1 was white.
#2 was Asian.

The Latinos and Blacks said that the Asians have it easier than Latinos and Blacks.

Of course, cause were introverted, mind our OWN business, rarely cause a scene in a white mans land, cant speak for those Taiwanese politicans :lol:
& finally busting their hump as a foreigner.

Proportionally in a equivalent context, they still have it better, being westernized to begin with, their culture/lifestyle relates to white supremacy much closer than crouching tiger hidden dragon ever will... they APPEAR worse off, due to laziness, causing more chaos than rectifying it. IF only they had the similar work ethic as Asians, think how far they would be.....now.

[xcentric]

Model Minority theory

http://www.asianweek.com/2008/05/30/why-being-%E2%80%98good-at-math%E2%80%99-can-be-a-bad-thing-perpetuating-model-minority-stereotypes-leads-to-resentment-and-anger-toward-asian-americans/

Your very success can be your downfall... especially if your peers start blaming all their hardships on your triumphs..

The one of few things Asians can excel/be known for, as the "nerd", yet others are STILL envious/jealous? bloody jerk offs.

[xcentric]

I would've let it go if you were from some suburb city, but coming from Toronto...

Oh yeah...

http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/showthread.php?t=699403

:D

http://i40.tinypic.com/2drz1ae.jpg

:lol::cheesygri

[djk]

The thread is full of people with insecurity & self esteem issues. My bet is very few of these posters have had, is, or will be getting laid anytime soon. Have a beer and get a life ffs..

[Chuck Chorus]

The thread is full of people with insecurity & self esteem issues. My bet is very few of these posters have had, is, or will be getting laid anytime soon. Have a beer and get a life ffs..

So getting laid is your way of dealing with insecurities and self esteem issues?

Or is pointing the finger at everybody else's insecurity/self esteem issues your way of making your own self worth feel validated?