Big discount from Honda --> huge

[longdong]

Civic 2008 : 2000 $ de rabais
Accord 2008 : 4500 $ à 7000 $ de rabais
Crv 2008 : 6000 $ de rabais
Element 2008 : 8000 $ de rabais
Odyssey 2008 : 7000 $ de rabais


http://www.longueuilhonda.com/?gclid=CK2Tl_Wop5gCFQEpGgod_jeUnA

[bellboy26]

is this for every dealer? or just yours?

de rebais?

[pmdoit]

is this for every dealer? or just yours?

de rebais?

rabais=rebate

[longdong]

I saw other dealer offers the same rebate too, also you may negotiate a little bit more if you buy car cash.

I think it's amazing deal.

[sir_belamy]

Does anyone know if there are incentives for ATV's?

[originalnutta]

no fit?

[shwinn]

6000$ off a CRV. I have to schedule a test drive now.

Thanks OP

[originalnutta]

and only 08 models? weak.

[athomas]

no fit?The fit is probably selling well and needs no incentive. From past observation, I have also noticed that vehicles with the highest margins are the ones that have incentives attached to them. The auto makers can give an incentive without cutting into the bottom line. A vehicle like the fit makes its profit based on volume of sales rather than a single purchase with a large margin.

[shwinn]

Fits sell very well. I doubt there are any 08s left.

[djmr2]

yes they're for 08 models only. The 09's have a smaller incentive but if you can find a 08 still it's a wicked deal.

[Dark_fantom]

rabais=rebate

Lol, excellent observation Dorthee-Anne.:lol:

[NoSoul]

Oh man, I just brought a 08 CRV Jan 5th, do you think I can still get the rebate?

[el_gopo]

Oh man, I just brought a 08 CRV Jan 5th, do you think I can still get the rebate?

even if someone said 'no', it's probably still worth a trip for you to try and get $6K back.

[longdong]

even if someone said 'no', it's probably still worth a trip for you to try and get $6K back.

don't think so , 3 weeks already, no chance at all

[NoSoul]

I'm still going to call in and ask, paid most of it in cash. Is this , Honda rebates themselves or per dealership? Is the rebate given to you at the start of the deal or once you brought the car, do they just tell you to mail something in?

[kool1]

Saturn had similar discounts on 2008s 2 weeks ago. Problem was finding a vehicle. My brother got $8000K off a 2008 VUE but the selection was very very limited.

[lpsaad]

Is this in ON as well??

[lotfi.bm]

Wow Element @ 18000 is really tempting
I'll book a test drive

[Hallandale]

Lol, excellent observation Dorthee-Anne.:lol:

Was that just a magic school bus reference?

http://www-tc.pbs.org/kcet/wiredscience/blogs/Magic-School-Bus.jpg

[MacBuster]

I'll have to remember this thread for the times when people say that only domestics have to blow out their inventory.

[kool1]

Is this in ON as well??

Saturn deal still on.

Also $5500 off 09 VUE/Aura with cash purchase.

[Drew_W]

There are deals on 2009 as well in Ontario.

$7,000 cash purchase incentive available on 2009 Element SC 2WD and EX 4WD models

Get cash incentives up to $4,000 on select 2009 CR-V models!

Get cash incentives up to $1,500 on select 2009 Civic models!

[KrayZeeMofo]

Was that just a magic school bus reference?

http://www-tc.pbs.org/kcet/wiredscience/blogs/Magic-School-Bus.jpg

i think it was...and dorothy-anne is the one in the back iirc, :P

[Sinoed]

Good luck trying to find an '08 civic. My brother bought one in August and had to wait almost two months to get it because at that point he wanted black and there were only 2 in Ontario. He asked about red, the salesguy laughed. You might have a remote chance with white.. there were a few of those around five months ago..

[nas84]

hey guys,

where do you see the rebates??? i just went through the site in both english and french but couldnt find it newhere.

didnt even see nething in the gazette shopping section

[codyuk]

http://www.hondaontario.com/specialoffers/

[lastchild01]

we bought a 2009 CRV EX-L on December 30th for $36060 Out the Door ... Cash price. at the time we had a 5000 manufacturers rebate

[dogbolter]

rabais=rebate

Actually, Dorthy Anne, Babel Fish and I all think it means 'reduction'. A rebate infers cash back after purchase.

[longdong]

I'm still going to call in and ask, paid most of it in cash. Is this , Honda rebates themselves or per dealership? Is the rebate given to you at the start of the deal or once you brought the car, do they just tell you to mail something in?

this is cash deal rebate, it's quite tempting. Even with 2009 models, Honda is starting to offer a very good deal too. But with 2008 models, we can get 2 to 4k extras

[Nanodollars]

Wow Element @ 18000 is really tempting
I'll book a test drive

only SC and 4WD-EX models apply. still a good deal.

[pmdoit]

Actually, Dorthy Anne, Babel Fish and I all think it means 'reduction'. A rebate infers cash back after purchase.
Sorry but english is not my first and not even my second language but did you ever heard about instant rebate?

[Kwirky]

I'll have to remember this thread for the times when people say that only domestics have to blow out their inventory.

Notice as well, that whenever someone posts a deal on a domestic vehicle, you always get the rabid import fans trashing the thread with their "domestix suxorz lolz!1!!1" but fans of domestics don't trash threads about deals on imports?

[I_live_with_my_Dad]

Why would ANYONE buy the recent year civics, the windshield is at a 20 degree angle... no visibility... enjoy your coffins, fellas!

[captainhook]

You know, if Honda built fuel efficient cars and trucks that people wanted to buy they wouldn't have to pay people to buy their vehicles. :lol:

[belfour]

Why would ANYONE buy the recent year civics, the windshield is at a 20 degree angle... no visibility... enjoy your coffins, fellas!

Only 72,463 ppl bought this car in 2008.. :lol:
No visibility?! Have you actually sat in the car?

Anyways..those are pretty good discounts.

[I_live_with_my_Dad]

Same reason guys fill their bodies with steroids my friend.



C-ya.

[CSR]

Only 72,463 ppl bought this car in 2008.. :lol:
No visibility?! Have you actually sat in the car?

Anyways..those are pretty good discounts.

Best selling vehicle in Canada IIRC according to Wheels in The Star. Overtaking some pickup truck.

[BestOffer]

and only 08 models? weak.

of course! u wouldn't expect that for 09 models...:lol:
when GM goes down, they won't even have instant rebates

[trendyGT]

Actually, Dorthy Anne, Babel Fish and I all think it means 'reduction'. A rebate infers cash back after purchase.

Sorry not trying to flame lol...

Double checked with french gf.

Rabais means rebate or refund, réduit or réduction would mean reduction :).




Those are some nice deals since Honda rarely offers discounts...

[careener]

Here are the current 09 model incentives -Ontario
http://www.hondaontario.com/specialoffers/

[_RFDealt_]

I have an 2-door 08 Civic and love it. Not sure what the 'problems with visibility' are?? I love the dash, everyone who gets in thinks it looks like a badass jetplane.

The differences between 08 and 09 are minimal and I regularly get around 500-550 km on a 30 dollar tank of gas.

[originalnutta]

Here are the current 09 model incentives -Ontario
http://www.hondaontario.com/specialoffers/

I didnt realize the Honda Fit MSRP was $14,980.

I'll give it a few months and see if the prices drop at all.

[lockec]

I'll have to remember this thread for the times when people say that only domestics have to blow out their inventory.

Yup, the Asian car companies are hurting right now too. Mainly because people in the states just aren't buying cars right now, domestic or otherwise. Saw on the news that they're running our of room to store the cars in California when they take them off the ships.

I think the Wonderland parking lot in Vaughan is full of overstocked Honda or Toyota cars too. Much like the Downsview lot is full of domestics.

[mavvee]

Yup, the Asian car companies are hurting right now too. Mainly because people in the states just aren't buying cars right now, domestic or otherwise. Saw on the news that they're running our of room to store the cars in California when they take them off the ships.

I think the Wonderland parking lot in Vaughan is full of overstocked Honda or Toyota cars too. Much like the Downsview lot is full of domestics.

Does this mean that we may see even better incentives from Honda in Feb? I know the current incentives on 09 Accords is like $2000, whereas they were $4000 in Dec. I'm hoping they pick up on the sales in Feb/Mar.

[mxz600]

I'm still going to call in and ask, paid most of it in cash. Is this , Honda rebates themselves or per dealership? Is the rebate given to you at the start of the deal or once you brought the car, do they just tell you to mail something in?

must be canada wide, I was offered 5000 off an 09 AWD LX CRV to buy it cash, if you take financing, no cash incentive....

and we also qualified for the 500$ student rebate.... still came to more than the RAV4! and the rav4 has an outside temp gauge which we find usefull.

[galanz]

Notice as well, that whenever someone posts a deal on a domestic vehicle, you always get the rabid import fans trashing the thread with their "domestix suxorz lolz!1!!1" but fans of domestics don't trash threads about deals on imports?

Heheh, pot kettle...

[mxz600]

were looking at the CRV and RAV4.

to lease a base 4wd rav4 its 433 a month @ 4.9%, to lease a base AWD crv its 480 a month @ 3.9$ for 48 months

obviously the comparable honda is more. even with the 5000 off the CRV it comes to a total buyout of $29775 where the RAV4 is $31200 with the 500 gas card thrown in on the price. These are taxes in.

funny how they are suppose to be in direct competition with each other and the price of the honda be sooo much more 3800 dollars more.

[kcotoulas]

Cant find specific details on the $4000 off of the Pilot. Is it a specific model of Pilot that has the discount?

[mxz600]

id say its a specific model because the CRV LX 2WD has 4000 off and the LX AWD has 5000 off so it seems model specific.

[scouzer]

It's funny because Honda inventory is piling up, but they cut back incentives big time for January.

[lpsaad]

Ok so how much would an automatic 2008 accord sedan cost me????

[Nanodollars]

were looking at the CRV and RAV4.

to lease a base 4wd rav4 its 433 a month @ 4.9%, to lease a base AWD crv its 480 a month @ 3.9$ for 48 months

obviously the comparable honda is more. even with the 5000 off the CRV it comes to a total buyout of $29775 where the RAV4 is $31200 with the 500 gas card thrown in on the price. These are taxes in.

funny how they are suppose to be in direct competition with each other and the price of the honda be sooo much more 3800 dollars more.

I don't get it. The Honda rebates are cash prices. If you lease it, you only get the negotiated price and not the factory cash rebate. Yes, the CRV is more but compare apples to apples....

[Nanodollars]

Cant find specific details on the $4000 off of the Pilot. Is it a specific model of Pilot that has the discount?

If you can afford the extra few thousand, the Acura MDX has a $10k cash discount + the $1500 conquest or loyalty discount. Much better value

[lockec]

Does this mean that we may see even better incentives from Honda in Feb? I know the current incentives on 09 Accords is like $2000, whereas they were $4000 in Dec. I'm hoping they pick up on the sales in Feb/Mar.

Who knows, they need to make sales too but they aren't in a position as bad as the big three.

[runeash]

Which dealer is that discount at?

If you can afford the extra few thousand, the Acura MDX has a $10k cash discount + the $1500 conquest or loyalty discount. Much better value

[Nanodollars]

Which dealer is that discount at?

All dealers. check the acura website.

There is also a long thread here at RFD in the automotive forum.

[d4ve]

Some info on discounts:

http://www.bchonda.com/newspaper/

http://www.hondaontario.com/newspaper/

We picked up an 09 Pilot EX-L over X-mas, it had $5000 off with cash purchase.

[yiujun]

i could really kick myself in the butt for buying the 2008 accord last xmas.
and the acura csx half a year ago.
i think i went and wasted 5-6Gs buying it then instead of now.

[mxz600]

I spent 52000 on a FX4 pickup back in jan of 04. Now the same truck can be had for 40grand. KICK! I could do more than that to myself!

[lpsaad]

Im sorry but im really confused. Im interested in buying an Accord 2008. How do I get the discount? Where do i go for this? Noob enough? ugh :-( please help lol

[joepinchpenny]

Im sorry but im really confused. Im interested in buying an Accord 2008. How do I get the discount? Where do i go for this? Noob enough? ugh :-( please help lol

Go to your local dealership and ask. I recently picked up a 08 Accord EX with $5000 cash back and some extras. The stock on the colors and models are fairly limited from what they said.

[kingfencer]

^ whats your point? my cousins work for chrysler and ford, and they buy japenese car. The company makes them park at the far end of the parking lot...

[scouzer]

^ whats your point? my cousins work for chrysler and ford, and they buy japenese car. The company makes them park at the far end of the parking lot...

that's actually kind of stupid, given one of the big perks of the job is the huge discount on cars

you can't tell me japanese cars are worth probably $8000 more on an econobox

[silentio]

Go to your local dealership and ask. I recently picked up a 08 Accord EX with $5000 cash back and some extras. The stock on the colors and models are fairly limited from what they said.


How much did you pay?

[captainhook]

that's actually kind of stupid, given one of the big perks of the job is the huge discount on cars

you can't tell me japanese cars are worth probably $8000 more on an econobox

I find it hard to believe that he would have TWO cousins that are so short sighted and that have all that extra money to spend. Maybe they should come here and join RedFlagDeals.:cheesygri

[plugdat]

that's actually kind of stupid, given one of the big perks of the job is the huge discount on cars

you can't tell me japanese cars are worth probably $8000 more on an econobox

japanese cars are worth more than $8000 more than an econobox

[scouzer]

japanese cars are worth more than $8000 more than an econobox

i was talking about a civic vs a cobalt. if you think a civic is $8000 more premium than a cobalt, you're pretty fanboy and dense

[YYZer]

we bought a 2009 CRV EX-L on December 30th for $36060 Out the Door ... Cash price. at the time we had a 5000 manufacturers rebate

Pretty good! We got one on the 29th. All in offered was 34,900 including a remote starter. The rebate was 5000 + 1000 boxing week cash. We chose to lease instead, but were very tempted with this offer.

[koop12]

We're Canadian, not American. And many Hondas are manufactured here in Canada. Until Bombardier starts making cars, there's no such thing as "domestic" in Canada.

He's quoting Clint Eastwood from the movie "Gran Torino" just a joke:cheesygri

[plugdat]

i was talking about a civic vs a cobalt. if you think a civic is $8000 more premium than a cobalt, you're pretty fanboy and dense

then u can call me a pretty fanboy and dense

my dads worked in the auto supply industry his whole life and made it a pt to buy domestics......he's been rewarded with 4 pieces of junk where he had to trade 3 of them in .. he's the type to drive things into the ground ... domestics we found had plenty of quality issues and the japanese drive was superior in both quality and feel.
he caved in and finally bought his 1st japanese car
therefore civic ..yes. i'd pay $8k more
furthermore ...i have at least 10 friends who work for either ford,GM or chryslers ..... the discounts aren't astounding .. they're pretty much in line w/ a good negotiator buying at the dealership

[akbar_k]

In that file 55.pdf there is a 2009 Civic EX-L Sedan listed as 16,990$ MSRP.

Is there a discount on this model and for how much? Looks like the cheapest car... Thanks

[AndrewChang]

Too bad you guys didn't build better cars. The words reliability, fuel efficiency, and residual value don't bring domestic to mind. Honda should have been rewarded for their dedication to quality, but unfortunately they have been punished with the rest of the automotive sector. These discounts are significant, and smart buyers will take advantage of them. You've got some nerve buddy.

[mxz600]

with the stockpile of cars rotting and depreciating in California off the boats, you would think you could name your price on a car, but the deals are not that hot. sure 5000 off a car looks good, but then you gotta finance yourself, which the rate is such that the discount is wiped clean. no deal!

[rh-7]

i was talking about a civic vs a cobalt. if you think a civic is $8000 more premium than a cobalt, you're pretty fanboy and dense


The Civic is made in Alliston, Ontario. The Cobalt is made in Ohio. Now, which one is the domestic?

[pavelbure10]

Too bad you guys didn't build better cars. The words reliability, fuel efficiency, and residual value don't bring domestic to mind. Honda should have been rewarded for their dedication to quality, but unfortunately they have been punished with the rest of the automotive sector. These discounts are significant, and smart buyers will take advantage of them. You've got some nerve buddy.

lol thats awesome

[MacBuster]

Too bad you guys didn't build better cars. The words reliability, fuel efficiency, and residual value don't bring domestic to mind. Honda should have been rewarded for their dedication to quality, but unfortunately they have been punished with the rest of the automotive sector. These discounts are significant, and smart buyers will take advantage of them. You've got some nerve buddy.

If you look at reliability statistics, Honda is about where most of the domestics are. Toyota for years had great quality (they don't really anymore), and the Japanese auto industry rode their coat-tails on the good publicity.

Recently, all cars have improved to the point where it isn't the differentiating factor it used to be.

Fuel efficiency in all small cars is so good that it is hard to distinguish also. This is not a selling point for Japanese cars any longer, either.

Residual value is still in the favor of the Japanese.

I have owned and been happy with brands from all over the world, so my loyalty is no where. To have a blind loyalty to a brand or a country is doing you a disservice as a consumer.

[FerrisB]

Too bad you guys didn't build better cars. The words reliability, fuel efficiency, and residual value don't bring domestic to mind. Honda should have been rewarded for their dedication to quality, but unfortunately they have been punished with the rest of the automotive sector. These discounts are significant, and smart buyers will take advantage of them. You've got some nerve buddy.

Nevermind the fact that Hondas are built in CANADA with mostly Canadian parts. Support Canada, buy Honda!

http://twitpic.com/img/rf7g-38bc647e163fa01e5da3ef0e17dab6c5.497d2f47.png

[plugdat]

If you look at reliability statistics, Honda is about where most of the domestics are. Toyota for years had great quality (they don't really anymore), and the Japanese auto industry rode their coat-tails on the good publicity.

Recently, all cars have improved to the point where it isn't the differentiating factor it used to be.

Fuel efficiency in all small cars is so good that it is hard to distinguish also. This is not a selling point for Japanese cars any longer, either.

Residual value is still in the favor of the Japanese.

I have owned and been happy with brands from all over the world, so my loyalty is no where. To have a blind loyalty to a brand or a country is doing you a disservice as a consumer.

I'm not sure what reliability reports you have.. but if you have the link . that would be appreciated.
http://www.jdpower.com/autos/ratings/dependability-ratings-by-category/compact-car/sortcolumn-1/ascending/page-#page-anchor

if you look at this report, its quite obvious.
When the top 4 cars in this category are japanese.
I was wondering, are the japanese plants in North America, unionized?

[mxz600]

OMG, you sound like a union buster...... Don't bring this into the thread PLEASE!

[flame02]

If you look at reliability statistics, Honda is about where most of the domestics are. Toyota for years had great quality (they don't really anymore), and the Japanese auto industry rode their coat-tails on the good publicity.

Recently, all cars have improved to the point where it isn't the differentiating factor it used to be.

Fuel efficiency in all small cars is so good that it is hard to distinguish also. This is not a selling point for Japanese cars any longer, either.

Residual value is still in the favor of the Japanese.

I have owned and been happy with brands from all over the world, so my loyalty is no where. To have a blind loyalty to a brand or a country is doing you a disservice as a consumer.

I'm not sure what reliability reports you have.. but if you have the link . that would be appreciated.
http://www.jdpower.com/autos/ratings/dependability-ratings-by-category/compact-car/sortcolumn-1/ascending/page-#page-anchor

if you look at this report, its quite obvious.
When the top 4 cars in this category are japanese.

HAHA you just got owned MacBuster, sorry. And talking about fuel efficiency, the civic has the best in class efficiency and it matters because of the energy crisis we are in!

[Bishop8]

I'm not sure what reliability reports you have.. but if you have the link . that would be appreciated.
http://www.jdpower.com/autos/ratings/dependability-ratings-by-category/compact-car/sortcolumn-1/ascending/page-#page-anchor

if you look at this report, its quite obvious.
When the top 4 cars in this category are japanese.
I was wondering, are the japanese plants in North America, unionized?

It's actually the top 6 are Japanese; the Pontiac Vibe is a rebadged Toyota Maxtrix.

Now that I think of it, you could actually satisfy the 'buy domestic' crowd and the 'Japanese only' group with the Vibe -- it's the Obama of automobiles! :lol:

[Takada]

If you look at reliability statistics, Honda is about where most of the domestics are. Toyota for years had great quality (they don't really anymore), and the Japanese auto industry rode their coat-tails on the good publicity.

Source? I have a few sources that suggest otherwise, but I'll let you post first because, quite frankly, I've gone through this too often with other posters here already.

[Billa-786]

Forget the import vs domestic BS......and can someone please post "HOT" prices for new Hondas with their new advertised incentives.

[donye]

I have 2003 honda cr-v ,55000 km now.

I went to markham honda dealer last december to do test drive 2008 honda cr-v. The salesman told me , $2000 (with free remote starter) discount and 1.9% finance rate to buy the 2008 cr-v. He said, trade in my 2003 honda cr-v $16000
I didn't buy it. I still drive my 2003 cr-v.
I still thinking to buy 2008 accord or cr-v.

[fng303]

"Forget the import vs domestic BS......and can someone please post "HOT" prices for new Hondas with their new advertised incentives."
2008 Accord EX V6 at $28,5K last week , on the road.

[golden]

I have owned and been happy with brands from all over the world, so my loyalty is no where. To have a blind loyalty to a brand or a country is doing you a disservice as a consumer.

Brand loyalty is usually associated with good experience with certain brand and bad experience with other competing brands. Other than those mentioned reasons such as reliability, fuel efficiency and resell value, things come to mind are: workmanship and design. Try to compare those interiors of Japanese and domestic cars and many prefer the Jap ones. There is a reason why domestic is dying, not just because of huge labour cost, but they need to deeply discount their products to sell which cut in the profit. If they have competitive products, they wouldn't be in the situation they're in now.

[SiRDOHC]

2008 Civic LX Brand New. $21,000 on the road.

[airodus]

If you look at reliability statistics, Honda is about where most of the domestics are. Toyota for years had great quality (they don't really anymore), and the Japanese auto industry rode their coat-tails on the good publicity.

Recently, all cars have improved to the point where it isn't the differentiating factor it used to be.

Fuel efficiency in all small cars is so good that it is hard to distinguish also. This is not a selling point for Japanese cars any longer, either.

Residual value is still in the favor of the Japanese.

I have owned and been happy with brands from all over the world, so my loyalty is no where. To have a blind loyalty to a brand or a country is doing you a disservice as a consumer.

+1

I have a friend who is a mechanic at Honda and in his words, the quality of Honda has gone down in the last generation. He warned some friends away from buying the Civic and CRV (he said Accord is fine).

I'm surprised that Honda is discounting like this, because my friend said that the sales are still quite good, all things considered. He is more worried about Acura which has been struggling hard partly because they are a pseudo-luxury brand, and also because their 2009 redesigns of the TL and TSX are complete flops (RL never sold well, RDX has been a flop for the last 2 years, MDX is their only hope). He expects deep discounts on Acura this year.

[aesop]

...I was wondering, are the japanese plants in North America, unionized?

No they are not - but their benefits are just as good.

I have an 03 acura that still amazes me (built in japan). over 200k, and I've only had to replace the battery (last month). Clutch still hasn't been changed, and it's been driven fairly aggressively :D.

The new civics aren't as great as they used to be; sister and brother-in laws are starting to "fall apart" 2001, and 2007

[rfdrfd]

"Forget the import vs domestic BS......and can someone please post "HOT" prices for new Hondas with their new advertised incentives."
2008 Accord EX V6 at $28,5K last week , on the road.

How about 2009 ?

[elty]

Why is a car manufactured in a foreign country by some foreign company is a "domestic", but a car manufactured in Canada by some other foreign company is an "import"?

In a even more weird case, car built in foreign country A can be called a "domestic", but a car built in foreign country B is an "import" even if they are from the same company.

[gummipolarbear]

Was just quoted 32 162$ for a fully loaded CR-V AWD with leather 2009 model because there are no 2008 left

[Billa-786]

No they are not - but their benefits are just as good.

I have an 03 acura that still amazes me (built in japan). over 200k, and I've only had to replace the battery (last month). Clutch still hasn't been changed, and it's been driven fairly aggressively :D.



Thank the battery manufacturer then. i replaced the original battery on my 10 year old, 230K+ Chrysler 3 months ago.

"Forget the import vs domestic BS......and can someone please post "HOT" prices for new Hondas with their new advertised incentives."
2008 Accord EX V6 at $28,5K last week , on the road.

Thats pretty good. Any idea how much the 4cyl model is going for on the road?

[spyhero]

Thats pretty good. Any idea how much the 4cyl model is going for on the road?

I think it's about the same price, 28k or less for I4 EX-L since the msrp for both models are very similar.

[lobsta2k]

Was just quoted:

30950.00$ tax in for a CRV EX 4WD.
27818.17$ tax in for the LX 4WD model.

I think these are pretty good deals mang! Trying to pm at a honda closer to my house.

Anyone get better than this?

[mxz600]

Was just quoted:

30950.00$ tax in for a CRV EX 4WD.
27818.17$ tax in for the LX 4WD model.

I think these are pretty good deals mang! Trying to pm at a honda closer to my house.

Anyone get better than this?

WOW thats pretty good, I was quoted 29275 for the LX AWD model in newfoundland, but were in a bubble here, no recession going on here, first time in 30 years weve been prosperious.

That price i got was 5000 off and student rebate. whats the details with your quote? did you have a trade in or student rebate or any options or accessories included?

[BluEL]

Was just quoted 32 162$ for a fully loaded CR-V AWD with leather 2009 model because there are no 2008 left

Wow...fully loaded and leather for $32K...sounds pretty darn good to me!

[jshebib]

Here is the quote I received:

"We do not have any 08 models.

Based on the 09 CRV LX 4WD using a Cash Incentive of $4000 the total price
for this vehicle in Ontario is $31024.15.Call if you have any questions."

Compared to Montreal, seems quite expensive for the LX 4wd.

I am going to contact a few places in Quebec and see what I can get better than this for 2008 or 09.

[charliebrown]

Was just quoted:

30950.00$ tax in for a CRV EX 4WD.
27818.17$ tax in for the LX 4WD model.

I think these are pretty good deals mang! Trying to pm at a honda closer to my house.

Anyone get better than this?


WHERE ARE YOU GETTING THESE PRICES??? We'll be all over the EX 2WD at $31k tax in

i'm guessing alberta? 5% tax instead of 13 here :(

[lobsta2k]

WHERE ARE YOU GETTING THESE PRICES??? We'll be all over the EX 2WD at $31k tax in

i'm guessing alberta? 5% tax instead of 13 here :(

Quebec my friend. Quebec.

I'm not sure what the exact options are -- i would imagine that it's the base model ex or lx without any added accessories.

[fng303]

I found that quite a few dealers are not that desperate.
Particularly where dealers of different makes are grouped together.
To obtain the largest rebate, it has to be cash and 2008 models.
Out of the way dealerships had the better deals in my case.

[MacBuster]

I'm not sure what reliability reports you have.. but if you have the link . that would be appreciated.
http://www.jdpower.com/autos/ratings/dependability-ratings-by-category/compact-car/sortcolumn-1/ascending/page-#page-anchor

if you look at this report, its quite obvious.
When the top 4 cars in this category are japanese.
I was wondering, are the japanese plants in North America, unionized?

I have never said that the Japanese make bad cars, in fact quite the opposite (although poorly built Japanese cars are becoming much more common). You will always have "good" "better" and "best."

What I did say is the differences are no longer particularly large and for the most part vary more model to model than manufacturer to manufacturer.

In any case, it no longer serves anyone to make blanket statements about any brand from any country....good or bad.

[MacBuster]

...domestic is dying, ... they need to deeply discount their products to sell which cut in the profit. If they have competitive products, they wouldn't be in the situation they're in now.


You might want to check the title of this thread.

Domestics have to discount their product as much because of over-supply as because of poor product. The reason Honda has to discount their products is because of over-supply.

The reason for domestic over-supply is a union/labour/legacy-cost issue that I think is beyond the scope of this thread.

[MacBuster]

HAHA you just got owned MacBuster, sorry. And talking about fuel efficiency, the civic has the best in class efficiency and it matters because of the energy crisis we are in!

1. "owned"? 2004 called and wants it's 'dis' back.
2. almost all compacts have good fuel efficiency now. It's not a differentiating factor.
3. I'll take your word on the Civic leading the pack, I haven't shopped for a compact since, well, I was your age.

[b1unt3d]

i was talking about a civic vs a cobalt. if you think a civic is $8000 more premium than a cobalt, you're pretty fanboy and dense

no.. but a mazda3 definitely is :P

[SiRDOHC]

no.. but a mazda3 definitely is :P

mazda3 worth the premium? Maybe if they don't use salt on the roads. Mazdas have had serious rust issues lately, that has made me shy away from the brand until I see a serious improvement in this area. Google "Mazda 3 Rust Problems". A warranty means ****, once it starts to bubble, it's over.

[mxz600]

I tried calling around different Honda Dealers in NL, and all they are willing to do is MSRP with the 4000 off on CRV's. Like I said in other posts, were in a Bubble here, no recession in this province. Dealers are claiming best 2 months in there history were Nov and Dec.

Good in many ways, bad in some.

[plugdat]

You might want to check the title of this thread.

Domestics have to discount their product as much because of over-supply as because of poor product. The reason Honda has to discount their products is because of over-supply.

The reason for domestic over-supply is a union/labour/legacy-cost issue that I think is beyond the scope of this thread.

i'm confused.. not trying to be an a$$ but are domestics a poor product or not? cuz u said reliability stats show they're very similar with japanese but in the above u say domestics are discounting due to a poor product.
according to the JD power study a cobalt is 2 stars vs. 4 stars for a honda
i think thats quite a variance.

[studbeefpile]

Hi, All. I remembered this thread as I was driving to work today and heard a radio commercial from Honda. It seems that tomorrow only (28th) they are offering an additional $888 discount on top of all existing offers in celebration of the Chinese New Year. I heard the ad in Prince George, BC however the commercial sounded corporate not local so this would likely be all of BC. No idea if this would be National but for those looking anyways, it would make a difference and could be a savings. Happy Hunting!

[Lemur Autovision]

Oh man, I just brought a 08 CRV Jan 5th, do you think I can still get the rebate?


This is an old deal and I trust it came out January 8th. I posted it back then.

I would go back to the dealer and ask for a rebate, otherwise take it to the press. No reason they cannot give you it.

[prof_frink]

This is an old deal and I trust it came out January 8th. I posted it back then.

I would go back to the dealer and ask for a rebate, otherwise take it to the press. No reason they cannot give you it.

So let's say you bought a car and the interest rate offered was 0%, but then 4 days later that offer is gone and it's back to 5.9%, can the dealer come after you and change your interest rate?

Of course they can't, and for the same reason, the consumer missed out on the discounts, then its just too bad.

[trucanuck]

Oh man, I just brought a 08 CRV Jan 5th, do you think I can still get the rebate?

If you bought it at costco you can return it and repurchase it to get the rebate period.

[nightbird]

+1

I have a friend who is a mechanic at Honda and in his words, the quality of Honda has gone down in the last generation. He warned some friends away from buying the Civic and CRV (he said Accord is fine).

I'm surprised that Honda is discounting like this, because my friend said that the sales are still quite good, all things considered. He is more worried about Acura which has been struggling hard partly because they are a pseudo-luxury brand, and also because their 2009 redesigns of the TL and TSX are complete flops (RL never sold well, RDX has been a flop for the last 2 years, MDX is their only hope). He expects deep discounts on Acura this year.

Honda is struggling like everyone else. Sales were down 41% last month and they keep trimming production.
http://business.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20090127.whonda0127/BNStory/Business/home

If you look in the Vehicles forum, you will see rebate for more $10K on acuras.

[aesop]

Holy smokes these are smoking hot discounts...
My wife paid ~30k OTD for a 4cyl accord, and for the same money you can get a v6? or rav4!!! :mad:

[donye]

I'm going to markham honda now to find out any good deal.:cheesygri
The salesman said, the rebate only for cash buy.

[Engi-Nir]

i was talking about a civic vs a cobalt. if you think a civic is $8000 more premium than a cobalt, you're pretty fanboy and dense
Now we have some real numbers, not hear-say ;)

consumer reports has

Cobalt Sedan: 50/82 points
Civic Sedan: 60/82 points

Civic Si 78/97 points
Cobalt SS 78/97 points

JD POWER Reliability
Cobalt Sedan: 6/10
Civic Sedan: 9/10

The KICKER:

Consumer Reports:
Malibu v6 83/89 points
Accord v6 88/89 points

Malibu 4cyl 74/89 points
Accord 4cyl 79/89 points

JD power (2008 model reliability)
Malibu 10/10
Accord 7/10

sources:

http://autos.msn.com/
http://usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/cars-trucks/

[donye]

Anybody know what is worth my 2003 honda cr-v, silver,55000km ,no sunroof,no leather seat,automatic,power locks,power windows?
Markham honda dealer said, my 2003 cr-v worth $9000

[Monky]

Anybody know what is worth my 2003 honda cr-v, silver,55000km ,no sunroof,no leather seat,automatic,power locks,power windows?
Markham honda dealer said, my 2003 cr-v worth $9000

Check your local Craigslist or newspapers. Note one thing is everyone is happy with the price drop rebates by dealers for new cars but the used car prices will come tumbling down as well. Good for people that are first time buyers but not for people who want to trade in for a new car.

[Engi-Nir]

Anybody know what is worth my 2003 honda cr-v, silver,55000km ,no sunroof,no leather seat,automatic,power locks,power windows?
Markham honda dealer said, my 2003 cr-v worth $9000

2003 Honda CR-V LX 4D Utility 4WD

Depending on your vehicle's condition, the value may be appraised within the High and Low range. * less Reconditioning Costs

Low: $10,200.00 High: $12,050.00


http://gm.blkbk.com/gm/jb/serve/auth?token=E3C6F4A7-223B-41B5-8ECBF05A343B2014

[djmr2]

Now we have some real numbers, not hear-say ;)

The KICKER:

Consumer Reports:
Malibu v6 83/89 points
Accord v6 88/89 points

Malibu 4cyl 74/89 points
Accord 4cyl 79/89 points

JD power (2008 model reliability)
Malibu 10/10
Accord 7/10

sources:

http://autos.msn.com/
http://usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/cars-trucks/

lolz... i've been driving a Malibu for 2 months now and just recently a brand new accord. As nice as the Malibu is, it's nowhere close to Accord/Camry territory. Build quality is still your typical Chevy build and nowhere as refined as Honda/Toyota. Reliability? Well both cars haven't failed but the Malibu definately feels the closest to falling apart.

[BoxsterS]

Anybody know what is worth my 2003 honda cr-v, silver,55000km ,no sunroof,no leather seat,automatic,power locks,power windows?
Markham honda dealer said, my 2003 cr-v worth $9000

Never trade in your car to a dealership. They would sooner shiv you in the heart than give you a good deal.

[bny768]

Will Takada and MacBuster continue their domestic vs import thread elsewhere, I just want to hear about the message thread, which is deals Honda.

I inquired at richmond hill honda, they are only interested in upselling me to a 40,000k top line odyssey when I specifically asked for a basic model. what gives? did they not hear that there is a recession?

I'm waiting it out until I get a $10k discount plus 0% leasing or financing on a pilot. I want even more on Odyssey since new model refresh is coming. Even then the incentive is not as good as American. But I dont want to hear about that, just deals in Canada. How is this group buy on Odyssey thing going anyways? Toyota's highlander is looking pretty good, especially the 4 cylinder they offer in canada but dont advertise, except on scarborough toyota's website. anyone else know of deals? I'm on carcostcanad but have not heard of the feb incentives yet.

[kcotoulas]

I'm waiting it out until I get a $10k discount plus 0% leasing or financing on a pilot.
I am definitely looking for the same sort of deal. Looking at all 7 seat SUV's and the good deals havent really come to big SUV's yet.

[donye]

Is this good deal 2008 cr-v ex,gold or white?

cr-v ex $32680 msrp
pid(or something like that) $2130
=$34810+13% tax=$39335-$13000(my2003 cr-v trade in)=$26335-$7000discount=$21335 cash

[yanhengc]

Is this good deal 2008 cr-v ex,gold or white?

cr-v ex $32680 msrp
pid(or something like that) $2130
=$34810+13% tax=$39335-$13000(my2003 cr-v trade in)=$26335-$7000discount=$21335 cash

isn't the equation above to be 19335?

[andygx]

I am definitely looking for the same sort of deal. Looking at all 7 seat SUV's and the good deals havent really come to big SUV's yet.

+1 here, needed an SUV with at least 7 seat.... Any deal coming soon do you think?

[Bonjour43ma]

how about an Accord Coupe V6? Can I get $4k to $5k off on an 08 model?:lol:

[rfdrfd]

lolz... i've been driving a Malibu for 2 months now and just recently a brand new accord. As nice as the Malibu is, it's nowhere close to Accord/Camry territory. Build quality is still your typical Chevy build and nowhere as refined as Honda/Toyota. Reliability? Well both cars haven't failed but the Malibu definately feels the closest to falling apart.

Thanx for your post and comments. Ever since they came out with this latest Malibu (update), I always wondered if its close to Camry/Accord.

All the TV car shows say its a big step forward for Malibu. But I think I trust your opinion more.

Everytime I sit in my friend's non-Japanese car(s), its just not as nicely fit, tight layout, as a Japanese car. Maybe that's what american's like, big buttons, gaps here and there.

I guess that's like Japanese' culture, everything is organized and neat. Personally, I prefer that over the American style.

[donye]

isn't the equation above to be 19335?

yes,the salesman did mistake. final price $19,335 cash
Is it good deal or not?
I'm going to pay from my bank line of credit (interest rate 8.5%)

[lovefreefood]

Never trade in your car to a dealership. They would sooner shiv you in the heart than give you a good deal.

Remember the tax savings you get when you trade in your car. You don't get the tax back when you sell your car privately. So do the math and factor this in. Food for thought. :idea:

[donye]

My 2003 honda cr-v LX,55000km trade in $11500+tax= $12995($13000)

[PatrickS]

Is this good deal 2008 cr-v ex,gold or white?

cr-v ex $32680 msrp
pid(or something like that) $2130
=$34810+13% tax=$39335-$13000(my2003 cr-v trade in)=$26335-$7000discount=$21335 cash

Like lovefreefood has said, subtract your $13000 tradein before adding the 13% tax. Should reduce the final total by $1,690.

[donye]

Like lovefreefood has said, subtract your $13000 tradein before adding the 13% tax. Should reduce the final total by $1,690.

OK, I will ask the salesman do that.

[mxz600]

so what about the $888 that someone posted yesturday about the chinese anniverary. is that nation wide today?

[G-Unit!!]

so what about the $888 that someone posted yesturday about the chinese anniverary. is that nation wide today?

I'd like to know as well.

[k-man25]

so what about the $888 that someone posted yesturday about the chinese anniverary. is that nation wide today?

It was a one day sale on Saturday January 24th, at least in Alberta, not sure what other provinices.... so its gone right now, who knows it may come back.....probably will

[lobsta2k]

So after a little price matching between dealerships, and likely hurting a few desperate salesguys' feelings, I was able to haggle 2 dealerships down to $27687.83 (tax & delivery included) for a new 2008 CRV 4WD -- one of the last 3 left in Quebec.

This is without the $500 Grad Credit. Do you guys know if this is still on? The link on this page (http://www.redflagdeals.com/deals/main.php/alldeals/comments/graduate_rebates_from_hyundai_subaru_mazda_and_toy ota_and_ford/)to the rebate is no longer working.

All feedback welcome!

[donye]

Is this good deal?
The accounting lady said better buy extended warranty and insurance.
I don't want pay extenderd waranty and life and accident insurance.
She said, i can get my money back if i not claim extened waranty when my new cr-v reach 6 years.
I feel not happy this deal.but i already sign it today jan.28
I have to pay $224.31 every 2 weeks :(
FCPP=extened waranty for 6 years or 100,000km
PROT PKG (rust prov.)$799
SECURITY/SAFETY PKG =nitrojen tire air .....(life time)


http://i44.tinypic.com/2433lo0.jpg

[Spidey]

anything for the west for Pilots right now. Just had a dealer offering me a brand new 2008, $8000 off, down to $30000. But no incentives besides the lower price

[dujathedude]

So after a little price matching between dealerships, and likely hurting a few desperate salesguys' feelings, I was able to haggle 2 dealerships down to $27687.83 (tax & delivery included) for a new 2008 CRV 4WD -- one of the last 3 left in Quebec.

This is without the $500 Grad Credit. Do you guys know if this is still on? The link on this page (http://www.redflagdeals.com/deals/main.php/alldeals/comments/graduate_rebates_from_hyundai_subaru_mazda_and_toy ota_and_ford/)to the rebate is no longer working.

All feedback welcome!

I just started a lease on an 08 civic coupe a couple weeks ago, and was hoping to get the grad rebate. The sales rep showed me a letter saying Honda was removing this program after Jan 3rd, 2009. This was at Sterling Honda in Hamilton, would love to know if anybody else was able to get it though after this date.

[lobsta2k]

Is this good deal?
The accounting lady said better buy extended warranty and insurance.
I don't want pay extenderd waranty and life and accident insurance.
She said, i can get my money back if i not claim extened waranty when my new cr-v reach 6 years.
I feel not happy this deal.but i already sign it today jan.28
I have to pay $224.31 every 2 weeks :(
FCPP=extened waranty
PROT PKG (rust prov.)$799
SECURITY/SAFETY PKG =nitrojen tire air .....(life time)
http://i44.tinypic.com/2433lo0.jpg


I could have got a 2008 EX 4WD for 30,173.73 freight and tax included, at a dealer in Quebec. That's a better deal than yours -- but still 7000 off is not bad at all.

Louis

[squid]

Is this good deal?
http://i44.tinypic.com/2433lo0.jpg

I would not pay for any of the extended, insurance, protection packages. Think how much you would save, and could apply to any potential repair in the future.

I would go back and have all the extras eliminated, and ask for 1000 more on the trade-in (as you claim you have investigated resell prices) or walk. Worst case, you look again in a month when there may be better incentives.

Good luck.

[wjuneca]

13% tax included? IF so, that would be a great deal!
Could you post the name of the dealer? Are you in GTA?

Thanks.
So after a little price matching between dealerships, and likely hurting a few desperate salesguys' feelings, I was able to haggle 2 dealerships down to $27687.83 (tax & delivery included) for a new 2008 CRV 4WD -- one of the last 3 left in Quebec.

This is without the $500 Grad Credit. Do you guys know if this is still on? The link on this page (http://www.redflagdeals.com/deals/main.php/alldeals/comments/graduate_rebates_from_hyundai_subaru_mazda_and_toy ota_and_ford/)to the rebate is no longer working.

All feedback welcome!

[donye]

The salesman told me yesterday, $11500+tax =$13000 for my 2003 cr-v trade in.
But, the manager only gave $10500
I'm thinking to go back there tomorrow and will say, i don't want life and accident insurance.

[notorius29]

so what about the $888 that someone posted yesturday about the chinese anniverary. is that nation wide today?

That deal is in our local papers. It states an additional $888 off for today only.

[elitehunter99]

Here are the current 09 model incentives -Ontario
http://www.hondaontario.com/specialoffers/

carcostcanada only shows a $2000 factory/retailer credit for 2009 Accord EX 4 cylinder. We bought an 09 Accord EX 4 cyl in December, they had a $3000 cash back rebate for cash only purchases. Got it for $29200 OTR.

[lobsta2k]

13% tax included? IF so, that would be a great deal!
Could you post the name of the dealer? Are you in GTA?

Thanks.

Longueuil Honda -- just like the thread indicates on the first page. It's in Quebec, on the south shore of Montreal.

I wouldn't be surprised if they were all gone though.

Cheers,

Louis

[hx4b2t]

I would not pay for any of the extended, insurance, protection packages. Think how much you would save, and could apply to any potential repair in the future.

I would go back and have all the extras eliminated, and ask for 1000 more on the trade-in (as you claim you have investigated resell prices) or walk. Worst case, you look again in a month when there may be better incentives.

Good luck.

ditto...do as squid says....do it as soon as possible..you have a 10 day cooling off period to cancel this deal...

[hola2005]

Funny, I remember when I bought my Civic LX back in 2006 when first came out, Honda wouldn't negotiate any discount. I bought it at rate of 4.9% and I was the one happy driving a reliable vehicle. Timesss.

But yeah I will definitely not buy another small car. It's time to move up and get some European made cars, such as Audi.

[donye]

Thanks.I'm going to the dealership tomorrow ,try to low bi-weekly payment.Because ,it's hard to pay $224 bi-weekly.
I will tell her i don't want extened waranty,life,accident insurance.
Honda salesman said, honda rust proof is good $799+tax
Now, i need to buy 4 winter tires and 4 rims.I think, i will buy 4 rims from honda and 4 winter tires from costco.

My wife didn't like i bought new car.Because we don't have extra money.She want, i still keep drive my 2003 cr-v that only 55000km

[originalnutta]

Thanks.I'm going to the dealership tomorrow ,try to low bi-weeklig payment.Because ,it's hard to pay $224 bi-weeklig.
I will tell her i don't want extened waranty,life,accident insurance.
Honda salesman said, honda rust proof is good $799+tax
Now, i need to buy 4 winter tires and rims.I think, i will buy 4 rims from honda and 4 winter tires from costco.
799 is a rip off.

rims can be had cheaper too.

[donye]

799 is a rip off.

rims can be had cheaper too.

Ok, then i will tell, i don't want rust proof too
Where can i do rust proof my cr-v?

[scouzer]

Thanks.I'm going to the dealership tomorrow ,try to low bi-weeklig payment.Because ,it's hard to pay $224 bi-weeklig.
I will tell her i don't want extened waranty,life,accident insurance.
Honda salesman said, honda rust proof is good $799+tax
Now, i need to buy 4 winter tires and rims.I think, i will buy 4 rims from honda and 4 winter tires from costco.

My wife didn't like i bought new car.Because we don't have extra money.She want, i still keep drive my 2003 cr-v

good lord no wonder you got a bad deal, you can't speak english

[donye]

My wife said,cancel the contract.But,the accounting lady said, she can't cancel because already processed.Now, i will try make low bi-weekly payment.

[originalnutta]

good lord no wonder you got a bad deal, you can't speak english

dont be a dlck.

it even says english is his second language under his avatar.

[lobsta2k]

So after The first pm, the salesman from the other dealership called me back and said he'd throw in rims for the winter tires, and the electronic pressure gage for free. So I pm'd again, which really pissed off the salesman I was dealing with, he told me that if I wanted to do underhanded business like that I could talk to the manager to get my deposit back.

He called back, 5 minutes later, saying that fine, he'd throw in the toys.

So in the end, 27,818 all tax/freight included for the 2008 CRV LX 4WD with extra rims and electronic pressure gage included. Damn I'm glad I waited till now to buy!

[G-Unit!!]

So after The first pm, the salesman from the other dealership called me back and said he'd throw in rims for the winter tires, and the electronic pressure gage for free. So I pm'd again, which really pissed off the salesman I was dealing with, he told me that if I wanted to do underhanded business like that I could talk to the manager to get my deposit back.

He called back, 5 minutes later, saying that fine, he'd throw in the toys.

So in the end, 27,818 all tax/freight included for the 2008 CRV LX 4WD with extra rims and electronic pressure gage included. Damn I'm glad I waited till now to buy!

Must say, that is a great deal!!!

[longdong]

Thanks.I'm going to the dealership tomorrow ,try to low bi-weekly payment.Because ,it's hard to pay $224 bi-weekly.
I will tell her i don't want extened waranty,life,accident insurance.
Honda salesman said, honda rust proof is good $799+tax
Now, i need to buy 4 winter tires and 4 rims.I think, i will buy 4 rims from honda and 4 winter tires from costco.

My wife didn't like i bought new car.Because we don't have extra money.She want, i still keep drive my 2003 cr-v that only 55000km


Don't take anything , no extended warranty, life, accident insurance, no honda rust proof too ... all cars leaving from factory, the car is already had manufacture rust protection (the manufacture rust protection is very good already). So all car will be good for for several years (at least 10 years), but don't forget to wash your car at least twice during the winter (because salt is no good for the car).

[airodus]

My wife said,cancel the contract.But,the accounting lady said, she can't cancel because already processed.Now, i will try make low bi-weekly payment.

How much deposit did you put down? You might have to walk away from it. But no respectable dealership would keep your deposit if you don't take the car. I really don't see why they won't let you out of the contract. Those guys are pretty big pricks if you ask me.

My friend had buyer's remorse after buying an Escalade last year. He went back to Cadillac, and they gave him his deposit back no problem. A couple months later he went back and got an STS instead. I know that technically they can keep your deposit, but that is just bad business.

Also you can do rust proofing at many body shops for around $100. All dealerships overcharge for their protection packages.

[plugdat]

How much deposit did you put down? You might have to walk away from it. But no respectable dealership would keep your deposit if you don't take the car. I really don't see why they won't let you out of the contract. Those guys are pretty big pricks if you ask me.

My friend had buyer's remorse after buying an Escalade last year. He went back to Cadillac, and they gave him his deposit back no problem. A couple months later he went back and got an STS instead. I know that technically they can keep your deposit, but that is just bad business.

Also you can do rust proofing at many body shops for around $100. All dealerships overcharge for their protection packages.

i think by law u have 5 or 10 business days to revoke a deal ..
when i bought my car last year he told me i could return my car after 30days if i wanted.... maybe it was just that dealership

[Danno2005]

Ok, then i will tell, i don't want rust proof too
Where can i do rust proof my cr-v?

Take it to Krown every second year. $100 per visit. I have done that for my 2002 Ford Escape and it is still perfect - no rust anywhere after 8 winters counting this one.

I live in Northern Ontario - we see our share of salt on the roads.

[donye]

Honda salesman said, honda rust proof is the best and they only charge
$799+ tax for life time for the car.Take my car for inspection every 2 year free of charge.
The accounting lady redused my bi-weekly payment from $224.31 to $197.xx
She said, i can pay any extra amount any time to royal bank.

I'm going to the dealership now to adjust the contract.

[antman59]

Thanks.I'm going to the dealership tomorrow ,try to low bi-weekly payment.Because ,it's hard to pay $224 bi-weekly.
I will tell her i don't want extened waranty,life,accident insurance.
Honda salesman said, honda rust proof is good $799+tax
Now, i need to buy 4 winter tires and 4 rims.I think, i will buy 4 rims from honda and 4 winter tires from costco.

My wife didn't like i bought new car.Because we don't have extra money.She want, i still keep drive my 2003 cr-v that only 55000km

Don't PO the wife. 2003 with 55000km is realy good. I would have stuck with that. Try a 2000 Civic with 230,000 km. Been thinking about the HYyundai's myself. I love Honda but the Hyundai's are the best deal right now.

[donye]

Don't PO the wife. 2003 with 55000km is realy good. I would have stuck with that. Try a 2000 Civic with 230,000 km. Been thinking about the HYyundai's myself. I love Honda but the Hyundai's are the best deal right now.

The reason why i buy new 2008 CR-V is $7000 discount.
Otherwise i still keep drive my 2003 cr-v.

[antman59]

good lord no wonder you got a bad deal, you can't speak english

Dude at Markham Honda that's a benefit. I remember Honda tried to screw me back in 2000 when I bought my Civic. It got so bad that they threatened to cancel the deal. I said go ahead and waited. They grudingly accepted and complained they only made a couple hundred on the deal.

Make sure all thenumbers add up. With mine they could'nt explain the final number when everything was calculated.

[antman59]

The reason why i buy new 2008 CR-V is $7000 discount.
Otherwise i still keep drive my 2003 cr-v.

What's the 2008 going to be worth next year or the year after that? going to be even cheaper then plus no Freight or Air.

[ipfree]

i think by law u have 5 or 10 business days to revoke a deal ..
when i bought my car last year he told me i could return my car after 30days if i wanted.... maybe it was just that dealership

There is no "cooling off" period for contracts signed outside of your home. Once you sign the vehicle purchase agreement at the dealership, it is a binding contract.

[madman604]

"rust proof"???

dont ALL cars come made with Galvanized steel already?

unless that means if the car ever rusts they will fix and repaint free (for the one time $800 fee)

cars also come pre undercoated. pay extra if you want it quieter, otherwise do it elsewhere for much less

[longdong]

Honda salesman said, honda rust proof is the best and they only charge
$799+ tax for life time for the car.Take my car for inspection every 2 year free of charge.
The accounting lady redused my bi-weekly payment from $224.31 to $197.xx
She said, i can pay any extra amount any time to royal bank.

I'm going to the dealership now to adjust the contract.

My car is already 10 years, no rust , no rust treatment, only need to wash car twice in the winter. Also remember, all new car came with rust warranty already with 7, 8 years depending on car model. Honestly I don't know why do you want to buy rust protection while all new car come already with manufacture warranty.

[squid]

What Honda salesman, who probably makes $300 commission on the deal, will tell you Honda rustproofing isn't the best???

I don't think this is a ringing endorsement.

[82]

I like to hear more explanations about rust proof too.

From what I know, galvanization only apply a coat of zinc to the steel. The coat is subject to stone chips and rust can occur on the chipped spots.

Rust warranty from manufacturer does not applicable to rust caused by stone chips.

"rust proof"???

dont ALL cars come made with Galvanized steel already?

unless that means if the car ever rusts they will fix and repaint free (for the one time $800 fee)

cars also come pre undercoated. pay extra if you want it quieter, otherwise do it elsewhere for much less

[longdong]

I like to hear more explanations about rust proof too.

From what I know, galvanization only apply a coat of zinc to the steel. The coat is subject to stone chips and rust can occur on the chipped spots.

Rust warranty from manufacturer does not applicable to rust caused by stone chips.

stone ships, even for any rust treatment they never treat any thing related to stone ships either. And you know what all rusts come out from big stone hit or small accident and if you don't fix the accident area properly, your car with time will rust from that area. So basically, all I mean that you do the rust treatment on the area that never rust (at least for 10 years), so what's the point of having the rust treatment ????

[Danno2005]

I like to hear more explanations about rust proof too.

From what I know, galvanization only apply a coat of zinc to the steel. The coat is subject to stone chips and rust can occur on the chipped spots.

Rust warranty from manufacturer does not applicable to rust caused by stone chips.

Galvanizing electrochemically bonds a layer of zinc to the steel. It can be damaged but is is much tougher than paint and very resistant to chipping and rust. Also, the zinc acts as a sacrificial anode which further protects the underlying steel if damaged.

Steel + zinc + paint is much, much more corrosion resistant than just steel + paint.

[madman604]

rust "proof" means 100% IMO. rust "resistant" means less likely to occur.

EG: water PROOF VS water Resistant

[ferkel]

Never buy rustproofing at a dealership. Its pure profit for them.

[ferkel]

$7000k off a $32k car? WTF?! so much for those japs

[scouzer]

$7000k off a $32k car? WTF?! so much for those japs

wow $7,000,000 is a lot off a $32,000 car

[SiRDOHC]

I like to hear more explanations about rust proof too.

From what I know, galvanization only apply a coat of zinc to the steel. The coat is subject to stone chips and rust can occur on the chipped spots.

Rust warranty from manufacturer does not applicable to rust caused by stone chips.

Here is a brief explanation of rust. I quoted teal_dx on http://www.civic-eg.com/ Since I could not say it any better myself.

"Many of the [Hondas], especially the older models, have the common rust around the rear wheel well. Many of these rusty [Hondas] are located in the north and driven through the winters. There are a couple reasons so many [Hondas] are rusting.

First is the condensation that forms on the inside of the car. Think of a glass of ice water sitting outside on a warm summer day. Condensation is going to form on the outside of the glass because it is so warm. I've even seen condensation form on the outside of house windows on a hot humid summer day when the air conditioner is on inside. Same concept with your car. When it is cold and snowy outside, you have the heat cranked up inside your car. This creates condensation, in addition you create more moisture when you are breathing and when you get in your car with snow on your shoes which melts and then evaporates. Cars have vents near the rear to help keep the air flow going through the vehicle, however that is not enough in the civic's case. Also the civic only has this vent on the drivers side below the tail light, not like many vehicles that have them on both sides and even in the door jambs sometimes. This creates condensation build up on the inside of your rear quarter panels. It drips down and collects around the inside of the wheel well. This is how the rust begins where the rear bumper meets the wheel well, the rust starts inside and eats its way through, until you see a tiny bubble or two form on the outside of your fender's paint. Condensation also drips down the front of the wheel well and sits in the inner rocker panel area. Fortunately, the inner rocker panel space has drain holes in the bottom but can still rust. This area is behind the plastic side skirts so you usually wouldn't know if there is rust."
Here is a picture of common rust.
http://6thgearadvertising.com/misc2/civic/rust/5.jpg

The Best rust proofing is oil. It is tried and true. Metal that is in an oil bath will NEVER Rust. Krown is best at this, but there are independent shops that arent bad. My 2000 Civic was "rustproofed" by the dealer (previous owner) and it didnt have a drop of rustproof spray in the quarter panels, where hondas rust the most. You have to make sure it is done right. If you are on a budget, you can buy a spray can and do it yourself. You of course have to know how to access the inner panels. $799 is absolutely ridiculous, you're just lining the pockets of dealers with your hard earned cash.

The notion that you don't need to rust proof a new vehicle because they come with Mfr's warranties is absolutely WRONG . The warranties state that a car must have rust that has perforated the sheet metal to be covered. Even if it has gone right through (rare in the short warranty period). The repairs will be shoddy and rust will make a comeback appearance a couple winters later.... After your Mfr's warranty has expired. Proper rust repairs are big effort and NEVER done for warranty work. If you don't rustproof your car you are the one stuck with the rusted hunk of ****.

Now lets talk about Undercoating. Dealers will try to sell you undercoating. This is their attempt to make "free money" after you have (hopefully) hammered out a good deal on the car. When I bought my car they were trying to charge $400. That is 400bux to spray about $10 worth of Rubberized Rocker Panel Spray on your under body, the process takes about 1hr. They instantly said they would do it for $300 when I made a sour face about the price. I'm willing to bet they will still do it for 100-150. I however declined. It isn't a terrible idea on a brand new car because if done right it can seal Undercarriage nuts/bolts, and prevent expensive rust related complications down the road (8+ years).

Lifetime Paint protection is another way they try to make money off you, but as an avid auto detailer I can assure you that NO paint sealant will last more than 1 year under optimal conditions. Save your money and buy a can of car wax, or pay someone to do it every year or so.

[G-Unit!!]

Went to a couple of dealerships yesterday, looking for 08s Elements or CRVs. The best deal I got was a $23.3k on an 08 Element LX (2wd) on the road. What do you guys think?

[longdong]

Went to a couple of dealerships yesterday, looking for 08s Elements or CRVs. The best deal I got was a $23.3k on an 08 Element LX (2wd) on the road. What do you guys think?

With 8000k off the regular price, for sure it's a good deal, but I think you can get a little more.

If you are just shopping the vehicle , you didn't get the best deal yet, and the sale man , he knows it. Until you are ready to pay for the car you can lower a little more on the deal (either getting more incentive, if not, try to get more options on the car).

[G-Unit!!]

With 8000k off the regular price, for sure it's a good deal, but I think you can get a little more.

If you are just shopping the vehicle , you didn't get the best deal yet, and the sale man , he knows it. Until you are ready to pay for the car you can lower a little more on the deal (either getting more incentive, if not, try to get more options on the car).

I plan to lower the price a bit, not sure what's reasonable (~500?) What other incentives should I ask for that you or others have been successful with?

thx.

[jshebib]

Went to a couple of dealerships yesterday, looking for 08s Elements or CRVs. The best deal I got was a $23.3k on an 08 Element LX (2wd) on the road. What do you guys think?

Can you tell us what city you are in .... and maybe the dealership ? I'm also looking for a CRV but 4wd

[G-Unit!!]

Can you tell us what city you are in .... and maybe the dealership ? I'm also looking for a CRV but 4wd

I'm in the GTA. I've called so many places. I don't have the list of dealership/available w/ me right now but 08 CRVs are pretty much non-existent. One of the sales actually showed me that NONE is showing as available across all GTA on their own internal system. But if you happen to find one, he cautions me to double check that it's 1) not a Demo 2) not a "Parts" car or 3) a return from a customer b/c of defects/complaints.

[longdong]

I plan to lower the price a bit, not sure what's reasonable (~500?) What other incentives should I ask for that you or others have been successful with?

thx.


I'm not sure if you can get more than 500$ (but you can try from 1000$ and to go down to 500$) , and then try to get additional the following :

Hood Edge Protector
Touch-Up Paint

To protect Hood is always good for a new car, and a touch up Paint is always good to touch up your car.

[mavvee]

Anyone know what the incentives looks like for the 09's after Feb 2nd? I'm hoping incentives go back to at least what they were in Dec. A dealer told me they were 4K incentive for accords in Dec.. then it dropped to 2K in Jan.. maybe 6K in Feb? :D wishful thinking?

[donye]

Anyone interested to buy 2003 honda cr-v "4 michelin winter tire with rim"? Just winter tires with rim.no CR-V
I used it just one winter.Pm me if anyone interested.

I'm going to get my new 2008 CR-V today.$7000 off is good deal.

[lobsta2k]

Anyone interested to buy 2003 honda cr-v "4 michelin winter tire with rim"?
I used it just one winter.Pm me if anyone interested.

I'm going to get my new 2008 CR-V today.$7000 off is good deal.

So i take it you backed out of your trade-in deal finally?

[donye]

So i take it you backed out of your trade-in deal finally?

Yes, I talked to the accounting lady and adjusted my new contract and signed.My new bi-weekly payment is $186.xx
I'm going to get my new cr-v today evening.

How do i check the new cr-v is not a demo , not a parts car or return from another customer?

[superwell]

Anyone interested to buy 2003 honda cr-v "4 michelin winter tire with rim"?
I used it just one winter.Pm me if anyone interested.

I'm going to get my new 2008 CR-V today.$7000 off is good deal.

you selling the crv or just the winter tires?

[dux]

I have a feeling that the discounts will just get bigger and bigger as the economy slowly deteriorates.... I heard Ford just posted the biggest lost in company history... about $6B last quarter, and a total of $15B in 2008... can I say "ouch?"

[donye]

you selling the crv or just the winter tires?

Just winter tires with rim

[longdong]

Anyone know what the incentives looks like for the 09's after Feb 2nd? I'm hoping incentives go back to at least what they were in Dec. A dealer told me they were 4K incentive for accords in Dec.. then it dropped to 2K in Jan.. maybe 6K in Feb? :D wishful thinking?

hmmm .. what are you talking about ?

For 2009 right now:

Honda Civic 2009: 1500$ discount
Honda Accord 2009: 3500$ discount
Honda CRV 2009: 4000$ discount
Honda Pilot 2009: 4000$ discount
Honda Odyssey2009: 4000$ discount

http://www.hondablainville.com/landing/fr/index.spy?origin=google&gclid=CNe6tIXytpgCFQazsgodtBOGaQ:idea:

[Swarez99]

hmmm .. what are you talking about ?

For 2009 right now:

Honda Civic 2009: 1500$ discount
Honda Accord 2009: 3500$ discount
Honda CRV 2009: 4000$ discount
Honda Pilot 2009: 4000$ discount
Honda Odyssey2009: 4000$ discount

http://www.hondablainville.com/landing/fr/index.spy?origin=google&gclid=CNe6tIXytpgCFQazsgodtBOGaQ:idea:

These are all cash discounts right??
I thought I read that, but people are talking about financing too which is throwing me off.
I'd be interested in a civic, but doesn't really make much sense for me to go through my line which is at about 7% to get the $1500 cash off.

[mavvee]

hmmm .. what are you talking about ?

For 2009 right now:

Honda Civic 2009: 1500$ discount
Honda Accord 2009: 3500$ discount
Honda CRV 2009: 4000$ discount
Honda Pilot 2009: 4000$ discount
Honda Odyssey2009: 4000$ discount

http://www.hondablainville.com/landing/fr/index.spy?origin=google&gclid=CNe6tIXytpgCFQazsgodtBOGaQ:idea:

what i meant was 2K for the Accord I4-EX model... they were 4K in Dec. The $3500 you listed is the max incentive on a V6. They were like 7K back in Dec.

[rdx]

Sorry, a little off topic. We see big discounts from different dealerships e.g. $10K discount on 2009 MDX etc.

What about used cars discount? Do dealers offer even bigger discount on those used cars they have in stock? If that is the case, I might consider getting a deep discounted used car as the 2nd car for my family. Does anyone know any dealership having super price drop for used cars?

Thanks for any headsup :)

[ferkel]

Yes, I talked to the accounting lady and adjusted my new contract and signed.My new bi-weekly payment is $186.xx
I'm going to get my new cr-v today evening.

How do i check the new cr-v is not a demo , not a parts car or return from another customer?

What did you adjust ? What did you get rid of to lower the cost?

[longdong]

Sorry, a little off topic. We see big discounts from different dealerships e.g. $10K discount on 2009 MDX etc.

What about used cars discount? Do dealers offer even bigger discount on those used cars they have in stock? If that is the case, I might consider getting a deep discounted used car as the 2nd car for my family. Does anyone know any dealership having super price drop for used cars?

Thanks for any headsup :)

don't think so , you cannot get a big discount for a used car, the big discount is coming from the manufacture not the dealer. I think right now or until summer 2009, you will get a big discount on new car , if you intend to change your car, it's the best time this year.

[labqi]

i want to buy a new car .. but scared about the ecomonic crunch right now... :(

[Danno2005]

i want to buy a new car .. but scared about the ecomonic crunch right now... :(

..as are alot of people..that's why the good deals on the table right now.

[RASHID007]

Looking to buy a new car, preferably a Honda or Acura SUV. Looking for advice/opinions:

1. Should I buy now with the current offers?

2. Should I do a lease takeover for 5 or 6 months from leasebusters and keep my eyes open for a better purchase deal in summer/fall (i.e. 2009 stock when the 2010's come out)?

Opinions please. Are the deals only going to get better? Or have the smart companies cut back production and in 6 months they won't be offering deals even as good as the current ones?

[bongobongo]

any indication as to what rebates will be for feb on honda accord ex-l:razz:

[donye]

I got my new 2008 CR-V EX today.

[Mike07]

Had a cash-deal quote from dealer this afternoon for 2009 CRV LX 4WD at $27,000 on the road price. Not sure if it is the best deal. Shall I wait for even better deal in future or just jump at it?

[normanalex]

who is the dealer

[Mike07]

who is the dealer

It is Mississauga Honda. When I said I had to think about it, the sales manager asked me what made me hestsitate to buy the vehicle right at that moment.

[Danno2005]

It is Mississauga Honda. When I said I had to think about it, the sales manager asked me what made me hestsitate to buy the vehicle right at that moment.

Umm..I can think of 27,000 reasons.

:!:

[jchan1985]

It is Mississauga Honda. When I said I had to think about it, the sales manager asked me what made me hestsitate to buy the vehicle right at that moment.

I think that's a usual question that many sales people/managers ask no?
Probably want to gauge how serious you are about buying the car or how much you're really shopping around between the dealers.

good opportunity to say something like: "Well...I was hoping for a price close to ____ including tax and fees with (floor mats, mud guards, winter tires and rims) included..."
...pause and wait....

1) let me go talk to my manager
2) don't' waste my time....
3) we're not making much $$$ off these already, maybe a couple hundred.
4) ...?

any other comebacks?

[Danno2005]

Had a cash-deal quote from dealer this afternoon for 2009 CRV LX 4WD at $27,000 on the road price. Not sure if it is the best deal. Shall I wait for even better deal in future or just jump at it?

Wow..over $7,500 off list.

Impressive.

[longdong]

Had a cash-deal quote from dealer this afternoon for 2009 CRV LX 4WD at $27,000 on the road price. Not sure if it is the best deal. Shall I wait for even better deal in future or just jump at it?

wowwoo, that's not bad ... it's already 6000$ off for 2009 model... looks like they need sales badly, maybe you can try a little bit more to 7000$ discount on 2009 model (too bad for donnye to get 2008 model for only 7000$ discount)

[nice4]

Anyone has any good deal on Acoord coupe either I4/V6 ?

[longdong]

Wow..over $7,500 off list.

Impressive.

yes you are right more than 7k off for 2009 model already ... really impressive

[Mike07]

I think that's a usual question that many sales people/managers ask no?
Probably want to gauge how serious you are about buying the car or how much you're really shopping around between the dealers.

good opportunity to say something like: "Well...I was hoping for a price close to ____ including tax and fees with (floor mats, mud guards, winter tires and rims) included..."
...pause and wait....

1) let me go talk to my manager
2) don't' waste my time....
3) we're not making much $$$ off these already, maybe a couple hundred.
4) ...?

any other comebacks?

I said buying a vehicle was not as easy as buying a piece of candy. I had to think of the funds resources because it was a cash deal. The finance interest rate for 36 months is 5.99%. I was thinking of getting the fund from line of credit, but not sure what the interest rate is. Some said prime + 1, some said P + 2.

I am greatly motivated by this price. I am afraid there will be even further reduction in March??

[HP_John]

Had a cash-deal quote from dealer this afternoon for 2009 CRV LX 4WD at $27,000 on the road price. Not sure if it is the best deal. Shall I wait for even better deal in future or just jump at it?

Was it in person or on the phone? It's not unheard of for some to "low-ball" people to get them to come in, then say "oh, I thought you were talking about model X" or "oh, that price is before taxes". I work at a Honda dealer, I've heard frustrated customers tell me about other dealers that did this.

That quote is a big loss for the dealer if it includes freight, pdi, taxes & everything (no hidden admin, hidden VIN etching, etc).

[mxz600]

wowwoo, that's not bad ... it's already 6000$ off for 2009 model... looks like they need sales badly, maybe you can try a little bit more to 7000$ discount on 2009 model (too bad for donnye to get 2008 model for only 7000$ discount)

HUH! im confused, theres only 4000 off the 09's, not 6000$. and its hard to beleive that a dealer took off another 3500 dollars to make 7500$ off an 09, I don't care how bad sales are, theres no point in selling at a loss.

[longdong]

HUH! im confused, theres only 4000 off the 09's, not 6000$. and its hard to beleive that a dealer took off another 3500 dollars to make 7500$ off an 09, I don't care how bad sales are, theres no point in selling at a loss.

I saw an add for discount:
New 2009 Honda CRV LX 4WD $5234 off MSRP NEW! - $24556 (toronto)
http://toronto.en.craigslist.ca/tor/ctd/1012246854.html

$5234$ for a LX, not bad but it's not closed at 7500$ off

[mavvee]

Was it in person or on the phone? It's not unheard of for some to "low-ball" people to get them to come in, then say "oh, I thought you were talking about model X" or "oh, that price is before taxes". I work at a Honda dealer, I've heard frustrated customers tell me about other dealers that did this.

That quote is a big loss for the dealer if it includes freight, pdi, taxes & everything (no hidden admin, hidden VIN etching, etc).

Hey HP_John, since you work for a dealer do you know if there will be further incentives after Feb 2nd?

[G-Unit!!]

Had a cash-deal quote from dealer this afternoon for 2009 CRV LX 4WD at $27,000 on the road price. Not sure if it is the best deal. Shall I wait for even better deal in future or just jump at it?

You sure this is 09 and not an 08 you are talking about?

[Mike07]

You sure this is 09 and not an 08 you are talking about?

It is 2009 model.

[SPACEMANRICK]

If only $4,000 is coming from Honda Canada and if they are selling a brand new non demo CRV LX for $7,500 off MSRP then isn't the dealer selling it for a loss? Does the dealer even have $3,500 gross margin profit in a CRV LX? I thought the gross margin on Honda's were about 8% to 9% or about $2,700.......maybe Honda Canada is kicking in more than $4,000

If that pans out and they will take $7,500 off a brand new CRV LX then I would go for that deal on a CRV LX ;)

[rfdrfd]

Hey HP_John, since you work for a dealer do you know if there will be further incentives after Feb 2nd?

I'm no dealer, but I can almost guarantee there will be bigger sales and incentives later in 2009. Esp. near Oct, Nov, Dec when they are trying to get rid of their 2009 models to make room for 2010 models.

Very simple, is the economy in USA and Canada getting better in 2009? NO, absolutely no.

How many people had their jobs laid off last week? 10,000 or more? More lay offs are coming for sure. Good luck in getting people to buy cars in 2009.

[G-Unit!!]

I'm no dealer, but I can almost guarantee there will be bigger sales and incentives later in 2009. Esp. near Oct, Nov, Dec when they are trying to get rid of their 2009 models to make room for 2010 models.

Very simple, is the economy in USA and Canada getting better in 2009? NO, absolutely no.

How many people had their jobs laid off last week? 10,000 or more? More lay offs are coming for sure. Good luck in getting people to buy cars in 2009.

Very true. But as in every market, prices are determined by supply and demand. All the auto dealers are laying off ppl and shutting down facilities, hence the supply side has already been reduced significantly. Yes, the demand will also be less, but if you think about the NET difference in supply and demand, I'm sure the 2008/2009 will be much greater than 2009/2010. (i.e. the excess inventory in 2008/2009 will be MORE than that of 2009/2010)Therefore, I don't think next year's discount will be as significant as this years. Just my 2 cents.

[ovovov]

Very true. But as in every market, prices are determined by supply and demand. All the auto dealers are laying off ppl and shutting down facilities, hence the supply side has already been reduced significantly. Yes, the demand will also be less, but if you think about the NET difference in supply and demand, I'm sure the 2008/2009 will be much greater than 2009/2010. (i.e. the excess inventory in 2008/2009 will be MORE than that of 2009/2010)Therefore, I don't think next year's discount will be as significant as this years. Just my 2 cents.
lol. did you graduate from economics or what?
your theory only works if it's a perfect market.. in reality, asymmetric info. and utility may count more rather than just demand and supply.

nature demand will be almost the same, supply is almost unchange as they only take orders when orders come.

however, i think, the price will not go down as much as expected. just my 2 cents

[rfdrfd]

Therefore, I don't think next year's discount will be as significant as this years. Just my 2 cents.

I'm not predicting next yrs discounts. But late 2009. I am certain late 2009 discounts on cars will be bigger than now (Feb).

Because when 1st quarter reports come out in car sales of 2009, it will be BAD for sure.

Which translates to more incentives to sell the cars off in late 2009.

[G-Unit!!]

lol. did you graduate from economics or what?
your theory only works if it's a perfect market.. in reality, asymmetric info. and utility may count more rather than just demand and supply.

nature demand will be almost the same, supply is almost unchange as they only take orders when orders come.

however, i think, the price will not go down as much as expected. just my 2 cents

LOL, not a graduate from economics but I do work in the investments field, and know a bit about how the market works.

What I'm saying is that 2008 was a shock, when dealers ordered cars for 2008, their expectations at the time is generally an extrapolation from their 2007 sales. Everyone now know how 2008 sales were. Now, contrast that with 2009, everyone is more conservative, more cautious not to mention their ability to borrow (for inventory) has gotten much tighter, I'm just guessing that excess inventory come 12 months down the road will be less than currently, therefore dealers do not need to discount as much to get rid of things. If you read or listen in on the conference calls from retailers (US and Canada), they are very skeptical of Q1 and Q2, trimming revenue/EPS targets, etc. and predicting a flat Q3/Q4. Not sure if this makes sense to you, but it's just my overall predictions. Only time will tell.

[G-Unit!!]

I'm not predicting next yrs discounts. But late 2009. I am certain late 2009 discounts on cars will be bigger than now (Feb).

Because when 1st quarter reports come out in car sales of 2009, it will be BAD for sure.

Which translates to more incentives to sell the cars off in late 2009.

Yes, most likely later on in the year, the discount will be more than now, if there's lots of inventory left over before the 2010 models take over.

[Monky]

LOL, not a graduate from economics but I do work in the investments field, and know a bit about how the market works.

What I'm saying is that 2008 was a shock, when dealers ordered cars for 2008, their expectations at the time is generally an extrapolation from their 2007 sales. Everyone now know how 2008 sales were. Now, contrast that with 2009, everyone is more conservative, more cautious not to mention their ability to borrow (for inventory) has gotten much tighter, I'm just guessing that excess inventory come 12 months down the road will be less than currently, therefore dealers do not need to discount as much to get rid of things. If you read or listen in on the conference calls from retailers (US and Canada), they are very skeptical of Q1 and Q2, trimming revenue/EPS targets, etc. and predicting a flat Q3/Q4. Not sure if this makes sense to you, but it's just my overall predictions. Only time will tell.

I would agree with you on supply/demand. Mfgs like Honda are reducing units. I read in an article they are ending the S2000 line this year. Here's an article regarding production decrease.

http://www.nationalpost.com/story.html?id=1235378

Another thing is if they continue to offer rebates and drop new car prices, used car inventory will be devalued even further causing further losses. They need too stablize this sooner rather than later.

[mxz600]

our friends leased a CRV for 380 tax in a month for 48 months.... and a remote starter thrown in. this was March of 08. Now, we cannot even come close to that in a lease deal. so are things really getting worse in the car industry? deals are not even on par from last year. go figure.

it seems the shift is to buy out vehicles now, not lease, the incentives are greater to buy.

[ovovov]

LOL, not a graduate from economics but I do work in the investments field, and know a bit about how the market works.

What I'm saying is that 2008 was a shock, when dealers ordered cars for 2008, their expectations at the time is generally an extrapolation from their 2007 sales. Everyone now know how 2008 sales were. Now, contrast that with 2009, everyone is more conservative, more cautious not to mention their ability to borrow (for inventory) has gotten much tighter, I'm just guessing that excess inventory come 12 months down the road will be less than currently, therefore dealers do not need to discount as much to get rid of things. If you read or listen in on the conference calls from retailers (US and Canada), they are very skeptical of Q1 and Q2, trimming revenue/EPS targets, etc. and predicting a flat Q3/Q4. Not sure if this makes sense to you, but it's just my overall predictions. Only time will tell.
:lol:
I wish the prices will go down more as I am buying a new car..
I used to trade on levelII all day along...

[Mike07]

Was it in person or on the phone? It's not unheard of for some to "low-ball" people to get them to come in, then say "oh, I thought you were talking about model X" or "oh, that price is before taxes". I work at a Honda dealer, I've heard frustrated customers tell me about other dealers that did this.

That quote is a big loss for the dealer if it includes freight, pdi, taxes & everything (no hidden admin, hidden VIN etching, etc).

It was in person. The sales manager even came to see me.

[dalman]

LOL, not a graduate from economics but I do work in the investments field, and know a bit about how the market works.

What I'm saying is that 2008 was a shock, when dealers ordered cars for 2008, their expectations at the time is generally an extrapolation from their 2007 sales. Everyone now know how 2008 sales were. Now, contrast that with 2009, everyone is more conservative, more cautious not to mention their ability to borrow (for inventory) has gotten much tighter, I'm just guessing that excess inventory come 12 months down the road will be less than currently, therefore dealers do not need to discount as much to get rid of things. If you read or listen in on the conference calls from retailers (US and Canada), they are very skeptical of Q1 and Q2, trimming revenue/EPS targets, etc. and predicting a flat Q3/Q4. Not sure if this makes sense to you, but it's just my overall predictions. Only time will tell.

It is true. Car manufatures are not fools. why they would want to a repeat of this year's sale? I bet at the year end, they will trim their production by 20% already.

[dalman]

our friends leased a CRV for 380 tax in a month for 48 months.... and a remote starter thrown in. this was March of 08. Now, we cannot even come close to that in a lease deal. so are things really getting worse in the car industry? deals are not even on par from last year. go figure.

it seems the shift is to buy out vehicles now, not lease, the incentives are greater to buy.

Car manufatures need cash. Their financing arms do not even have money themselves so how they can lease the car to you? Cash is really the king at this time.

[sLAsh]

our friends leased a CRV for 380 tax in a month for 48 months.... and a remote starter thrown in. this was March of 08. Now, we cannot even come close to that in a lease deal. so are things really getting worse in the car industry? deals are not even on par from last year. go figure.

it seems the shift is to buy out vehicles now, not lease, the incentives are greater to buy.

As MOnky mentioned used car prices will probably tank along with the new cars. The manufacturers would prefer to give us a little more now to buy a vehicle rather than have to worry about how much our vehicle will be worth in 3 years. If you are Honda for instance you don't want to discount the vehicle by $7,000.00 and then keep the residual value at 58%. You also don't want to keep the price at list and tell the prospective buyer that the residual value is only going to be 35%. One of the things that is always pushed is the high resale values of the imports. I'm not bashing imports I just picked Honda as an example because it was one of the top 10 for residual values at Edmunds. This problem applys to all the manufacturers
Evyone is hoping this is just a blip and prices will return to previous levels so they don't want to deflate the value of the used car fleet.
Here is an interesting link on the Edmunds forum for those who are looking at leasing a Honda.http://townhall-talk.edmunds.com/direct/view/.ef9da10/3030

[TodayHello]

:lol:

I used to trade on levelII all day along...


:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

[G-Unit!!]

It is true. Car manufatures are not fools. why they would want to a repeat of this year's sale? I bet at the year end, they will trim their production by 20% already.

I agree with you.
But at the same time, lets hope for everyone's sake that the economy comes around and we don't see these massive layoffs across all industries!!!

[HP_John]

It was in person. The sales manager even came to see me.

I am positive if you accepted they would say that price is before taxes, or some other BS like it does not include admin fee & VIN etching. We do not charge any admin fee or VIN etching, other than a $5 fee for OMVIC, which is a real fee.

What some do (but I would never do) is if they think the person is not buying today or is going to shop the price, they will purposely give them an unbeatable price (in this case, a big loss for the dealer), so the customer has to return to their dealer. Then they will explain how that price is impossible (in this case, there is no dealer in Ont who can do it for that currently). At that point, the customer knows the price is impossible as they have been to several dealers & none could do it for that price. So the customer gives up & buys it from them, but not at that original lowball price.

I have never done that & never will, just letting people know, as I've heard of other dealers that do.

[dost]

It is 2009 model.

Are you saying that you were quoted 2009 CRV LX-4WD for 27k on the road including taxes and it is not demo or something. The best I got so far was
35K including taxes and pdi/freight. The sales guy had no idea about 7k discount on 09 CRVs and told me there are no 08 CRVs left here in Surrey, BC.

[dgs]

our friends leased a CRV for 380 tax in a month for 48 months.... and a remote starter thrown in. this was March of 08. Now, we cannot even come close to that in a lease deal. so are things really getting worse in the car industry? deals are not even on par from last year. go figure.

it seems the shift is to buy out vehicles now, not lease, the incentives are greater to buy.

This has more to do with the credit markets than auto pricing - that is partly why the government has started to consider allowing the banks to enter the auto leasing market (something they are currently not allowed to do) - the hope being that this will provide an alternate source of financing and stimulate people to take on new auto leases. You probably wont get a better leasing deal right now but in a few months this might well change if the banks do enter this market - that will then probably allow the auto dealers to jack prices back up - bottom line - if you are a cash buyer now may well be the best time to make your purchase.

[longdong]

Are you saying that you were quoted 2009 CRV LX-4WD for 27k on the road including taxes and it is not demo or something. The best I got so far was
35K including taxes and pdi/freight. The sales guy had no idea about 7k discount on 09 CRVs and told me there are no 08 CRVs left here in Surrey, BC.


hmmm... it's too expensive your quotes, are you sure it's a cash deal price ?

Check the below (so on the road should be around 29k or 30k):
I saw an add for discount:
New 2009 Honda CRV LX 4WD $5234 off MSRP NEW! - $24556 (toronto)
http://toronto.en.craigslist.ca/tor/ctd/1012246854.html

$5234$ for a LX, not bad but it's not closed at 7500$ off

But Mike did get 27k, so few thousands more.

[mxz600]

Does anybody know if the grad rebate is still on?

[Mike07]

I am positive if you accepted they would say that price is before taxes, or some other BS like it does not include admin fee & VIN etching. We do not charge any admin fee or VIN etching, other than a $5 fee for OMVIC, which is a real fee.

What some do (but I would never do) is if they think the person is not buying today or is going to shop the price, they will purposely give them an unbeatable price (in this case, a big loss for the dealer), so the customer has to return to their dealer. Then they will explain how that price is impossible (in this case, there is no dealer in Ont who can do it for that currently). At that point, the customer knows the price is impossible as they have been to several dealers & none could do it for that price. So the customer gives up & buys it from them, but not at that original lowball price.

I have never done that & never will, just letting people know, as I've heard of other dealers that do.

The qoute I requested was on the road price, no other options with only the standard features. I re-iterated to him " on the road " price. And it is a 2009 model. He even asked me my favourite colour and the second choice if the favourite colour was unavailable. He also asked how soon I wanted the car. I said to him I was not in a hurry as I was only upgrading my secondary car which was a Corolla.

[Mike07]

Are you saying that you were quoted 2009 CRV LX-4WD for 27k on the road including taxes and it is not demo or something. The best I got so far was
35K including taxes and pdi/freight. The sales guy had no idea about 7k discount on 09 CRVs and told me there are no 08 CRVs left here in Surrey, BC.

It is 2009 CRV LX 4WD. I did not mention demo or floor model. The qoute he wrote on the sheet of paper also said it was 2009 CRV LX 4WD.

[miss_swan]

our friends leased a CRV for 380 tax in a month for 48 months.... and a remote starter thrown in. this was March of 08. Now, we cannot even come close to that in a lease deal. so are things really getting worse in the car industry? deals are not even on par from last year. go figure.

it seems the shift is to buy out vehicles now, not lease, the incentives are greater to buy.

I understand that leasing has taken a huge hit to it's business model due to the "credit crunch" etc ... in any case, it's a shift towards moving product by selling rather than leasing.

So, at the present time the financial incentives are put towards the selling end by the manufacturer ... what you're friends got by leasing is in the past. The present is dictating your buying/leasing options.

[wjuneca]

I was told by my local dealer it's not
Does anybody know if the grad rebate is still on?

[HP_John]

The qoute I requested was on the road price, no other options with only the standard features. I re-iterated to him " on the road " price. And it is a 2009 model. He even asked me my favourite colour and the second choice if the favourite colour was unavailable. He also asked how soon I wanted the car. I said to him I was not in a hurry as I was only upgrading my secondary car which was a Corolla.

Here's an interesting thread on some people's bad experiences with some Ontario Honda dealers:

http://www.8thcivic.com/forums/ontario/127172-offiicial-ontario-no-go-dealers-2.html

[flame02]

Hey I didn't have much time to look over this entire thread, but i'm looking for an accord coupe EX-L inline 4, was wondering if anyone else was looking at this or even bought this car recently? What sort of discounting would you expect on this?

[G-Unit!!]

Here's an interesting thread on some people's bad experiences with some Ontario Honda dealers:

http://www.8thcivic.com/forums/ontario/127172-offiicial-ontario-no-go-dealers-2.html

Mike - be careful, I believe this is the dealership you went to, to get your 09 CRV quote. If you decide to go there, make sure you double check.

[longdong]

Mike - be careful, I believe this is the dealership you went to, to get your 09 CRV quote. If you decide to go there, make sure you double check.

hmmm... maybe the dealership was right , end of month discount ? also this dealership has offered 2k cheaper than some of other dealership ? do you want to take a chance ?

[geoffRR]

your post about the 2008 Accord's piqued my interest.

Can you provide more info, I'm assuming the 7k was for a CASH purchase ?
can you clarify the rebates if your financing or leasing and breakdown for 4cyl vs 6cyl. Last time I looked back around Christmas they had 1.9% finance / 3k rebates on the 08's for finance/lease transactions.

thx

G

[BluEL]

Finally finish reading all the posts...I wanted to see what people have been getting for the CRV.

I visited a Honda dealership today and got this :

CRV EX-L 2009.

With $4000 discount, out the door (OTD) price was $37205.

I said, that much? I told him I've been researching online and the cheapest price I know of was somebody getting the 2009 EX-L for $32000 OTD. He was floored..."no way, that is impossible."

So, I asked him..."I'm sure you sold some CRV's, what is THE best price you can get me for the 2009 EX-L?" He told me $35500 OTD.

So, best price is $35500 for 2009 CRV EX-L...based on MSRP, it's about 15% discount (including the $4K, of course).

I'm serious about this car and really want it. So, please post your quotes for the CRV.

Anybody else get a better quote for the EX-L?

[wjuneca]

couldn't find it on the promotion page
http://www.hondaontario.com/specialoffers/

[mxz600]

so whats the new incentives????


I got quoted 5000 off for an LX AWD 09 CRV.

[G-Unit!!]

Finally finish reading all the posts...I wanted to see what people have been getting for the CRV.

I visited a Honda dealership today and got this :

CRV EX-L 2009.

With $4000 discount, out the door (OTD) price was $37205.

I said, that much? I told him I've been researching online and the cheapest price I know of was somebody getting the 2009 EX-L for $32000 OTD. He was floored..."no way, that is impossible."

So, I asked him..."I'm sure you sold some CRV's, what is THE best price you can get me for the 2009 EX-L?" He told me $35500 OTD.

So, best price is $35500 for 2009 CRV EX-L...based on MSRP, it's about 15% discount (including the $4K, of course).

I'm serious about this car and really want it. So, please post your quotes for the CRV.

Anybody else get a better quote for the EX-L?

somewhat related, i think i saw an 08 EX-L Navi package for the same price on the road. Yes it's an 2008 (not 09).

[Starxin]

it seems all special offer pages are down now.

hope there will be another HOT deal out. :lol:

http://www.honda.ca/HondaCA2006/SpecialOffers/default.htm?L=E

[mxz600]

NL has the deals still up, but there the old incentives.

[mxz600]

if the deals are better they will be only by a small margin, Honda dont want to piss off all there buyers in January.

[originalnutta]

Here's hoping i can get a Fit for under $20k. :D


A friend of a friend is a Honda salesman, and i was hoping he could give me a deal. But i'd like to be diplomatic and not leave him with nothing.

What's a decent OTD price i could get on a base manual Fit?

I doubt i have much bargaining room, since these cars are selling like hot cakes.

[mxz600]

huh! 20K for a Fit, I'd take a "fit" if I paid that for that!

[Tuppin]

Here's hoping i can get a Fit for under $20k. :D


A friend of a friend is a Honda salesman, and i was hoping he could give me a deal. But i'd like to be diplomatic and not leave him with nothing.

What's a decent OTD price i could get on a base manual Fit?

I doubt i have much bargaining room, since these cars are selling like hot cakes.

Take a look at a Pontiac Vibe....a rebadged Toyota Matrix but with better incentives. It will be larger and better optioned than the Fit.

[miss_swan]

Here's hoping i can get a Fit for under $20k. :D


A friend of a friend is a Honda salesman, and i was hoping he could give me a deal. But i'd like to be diplomatic and not leave him with nothing.

What's a decent OTD price i could get on a base manual Fit?

I doubt i have much bargaining room, since these cars are selling like hot cakes.

So, use some diplomacy and your therapeutic relation skills ... say it like you just said in your post:

"Hey, I really appreciate you helping me get into a Honda Fit, I know you're a buddy of mine ... of course, me being the consumer would want the best deal possible ... but I don't want to insult you and not also consider your needs in sales as well ... is there some arrangement we can do to make us both happy?"

[longdong]

Civic 2008 : 2000 $ de rabais
Accord 2008 : 4500 $ à 7000 $ de rabais
Crv 2008 : 6000 $ de rabais
Element 2008 : 8000 $ de rabais
Odyssey 2008 : 7000 $ de rabais


http://www.longueuilhonda.com/?gclid=CK2Tl_Wop5gCFQEpGgod_jeUnA

Discount list for 2009 honda vehicle:

Jan 29 - New 2009 Honda CRV LX 4WD $5234 off MSRP NEW! - $24556 - (toronto) pic

Jan 29 - 2009 Honda CR-V EX-L Navigation NEW Save $5782 - $31308 - (Toronto)

Jan 29 - 2009 Honda Pilot Touring Edition NEW Save $7243 - $42677 - (Toronto) pic

Jan 25 - 2009 Honda S2000 New for Sale Save $5801 off MSRP - $44799 - (Toronto) pic

Jan 22 - 2009 Honda Pilot LX 4WD NEW For Sale Save $5885 off MSRP - $33935 - (Toronto) pic

Jan 19 - 2009 Honda Odyssey LX For Sale NEW Save $5855 - $27735 - (Toronto) pic

Jan 15 - 2009 Honda Element EX 4WD NEW! Save $7k+ NEW! - $23995 - (Toronto)

Jan 15 - 2009 Honda Accord 2D EX-L $5k Off MSRP NEW!!! Navigation Fully Loaded - (Toronto)

Jan 15 - New 2009 Honda Civic Save $1500-2000 For Sale - (Toronto) pic

[G-Unit!!]

Going through this process myself, I find that you get the best deals when you talk directly to the sales manager (not the sales rep – sry to the sales reps on this site). These managers are the ultimate decision makers, the sales reps are just the middle guys. Whatever the sales reps quote you as the best price (i.e. the amount they "make only $300 on", or "selling to you at cost", try to shave some amount off and ask them to propose to the manager. It’s a win-win situation for the buyer.

[mxz600]

I see Toyota's Incentives are updated, and nothing changed, NOTHING, what a JIP!

[G-Unit!!]

I see Toyota's Incentives are updated, and nothing changed, NOTHING, what a JIP!

Still nothing up for Honda.
Maybe it's time to call up Honda directly.

[CalgaryJeremyK]

At least some of the Honda incentives are up. I checked Car Cost Canada today and they updated the incentives for the Odyssey. Unfortunately it is the same incentive as January ($4,000 on the Odyssey EXL and Touring). Seeing as they had $7,000 on the 2008 models I will wait and see if they eventually put $7,000 on the 2009's as well otherwise I will just buy used.

So anyways, Honda has updated their incentives and I am guessing they are similar to January.

[Downtown]

At least some of the Honda incentives are up. I checked Car Cost Canada today and they updated the incentives for the Odyssey. Unfortunately it is the same incentive as January ($4,000 on the Odyssey EXL and Touring). Seeing as they had $7,000 on the 2008 models I will wait and see if they eventually put $7,000 on the 2009's as well otherwise I will just buy used.

So anyways, Honda has updated their incentives and I am guessing they are similar to January.


Incentives are posted on CCC for the 2009 Pilot (Touring and EX-L)- same interests rates offered and same $4,000 cash incentive.

[82]

any detail?

Take a look at a Pontiac Vibe....a rebadged Toyota Matrix but with better incentives. It will be larger and better optioned than the Fit.

[RASHID007]

At least some of the Honda incentives are up. I checked Car Cost Canada today and they updated the incentives for the Odyssey. Unfortunately it is the same incentive as January ($4,000 on the Odyssey EXL and Touring). Seeing as they had $7,000 on the 2008 models I will wait and see if they eventually put $7,000 on the 2009's as well otherwise I will just buy used.

So anyways, Honda has updated their incentives and I am guessing they are similar to January.

Where do you check that on their site? Do you have to be a member?

[superwell]

i know this is a honda thread, but can one of you with the CCC account let me know what is available, as far as rebates for toyota and nissan.

thanks!!

[superwell]

Discount list for 2009 honda vehicle:

Jan 29 - New 2009 Honda CRV LX 4WD $5234 off MSRP NEW! - $24556 - (toronto) pic

Jan 29 - 2009 Honda CR-V EX-L Navigation NEW Save $5782 - $31308 - (Toronto)

Jan 29 - 2009 Honda Pilot Touring Edition NEW Save $7243 - $42677 - (Toronto) pic

Jan 25 - 2009 Honda S2000 New for Sale Save $5801 off MSRP - $44799 - (Toronto) pic

Jan 22 - 2009 Honda Pilot LX 4WD NEW For Sale Save $5885 off MSRP - $33935 - (Toronto) pic

Jan 19 - 2009 Honda Odyssey LX For Sale NEW Save $5855 - $27735 - (Toronto) pic

Jan 15 - 2009 Honda Element EX 4WD NEW! Save $7k+ NEW! - $23995 - (Toronto)

Jan 15 - 2009 Honda Accord 2D EX-L $5k Off MSRP NEW!!! Navigation Fully Loaded - (Toronto)

Jan 15 - New 2009 Honda Civic Save $1500-2000 For Sale - (Toronto) pic


where are these prices from?

[CalgaryJeremyK]

Yes - to check car cost canada you need to be a member.

As for the person asking about Nissan/Toyota, I checked Toyota for a Sienna (our other minivan choice) and as was previously posted, there are no discounts being offered by Toyota on that vehicle (same as January) so the rest of the line up may be the same as January as well.

[longdong]

where are these prices from?

Check with them :

http://www.transdeal.ca/

They deal with network of dealers, so you can use these prices as a reference so you can deal with any dealer

[Damed]

I'd wait.

Honda just reported a 37% sales drop for the month of January, compared to January 08. The deals are going to get better as they try to turn that around for Feb.

[k-man25]

Like the others have noted no change that I see... CCC shows that the Civic incentive remains at $1,500 too..... I'm just waiting to see what Acura is doing....

Waiting is dangerous too.... the rebate from the CSX went from $3,500 in Dec to $2,000 in Jan, If anything I expected it to get better :mad:

With production cuts its hard to tell which way incentives will go

[Curatio]

The deals aren't getting any better. Looks like they are getting worse or staying the same.

I bought a 2009 Element EX 4WD last week for $8650 off MSRP, at $24,500 ($27,585 out the door). This consisted of a $7000 factory-to-dealer rebate, plus an additional $1650 off from the dealer.

For February, CarCostCanada shows that the rebate has now been reduced to $4000 from $7000. When I bought my car at the end of January, most of the Honda dealers were almost finished clearing out their remaining overstock of 2009's (and almost all 2008's were already cleared out due to the huge rebates offered in December and January). So with the overstock problem resolved, it looks like Honda Canada is now reducing the incentives.

[CalgaryJeremyK]

The deals aren't getting any better. Looks like they are getting worse or staying the same.

I bought a 2009 Element EX 4WD last week for $8650 off MSRP, at $24,500 ($27,585 out the door). This consisted of a $7000 factory-to-dealer rebate, plus an additional $1650 off from the dealer.

For February, CarCostCanada shows that the rebate has now been reduced to $4000 from $7000. When I bought my car at the end of January, most of the Honda dealers were almost finished clearing out their remaining overstock of 2009's (and almost all 2008's were already cleared out due to the huge rebates offered in December and January). So with the overstock problem resolved, it looks like Honda Canada is now reducing the incentives.

I agree with this. I think I missed my opportunity to buy a 2008 Odyssey with $7K off and I don't think the larger rebates will be coming back anytime soon. That's life I guess.

[originalnutta]

Take a look at a Pontiac Vibe....a rebadged Toyota Matrix but with better incentives. It will be larger and better optioned than the Fit.

Was hoping for a smaller car. Student, with no kids and no mountain bike to lug around. I just commute to school and work. Would like to save on gas.

[longdong]

I agree with this. I think I missed my opportunity to buy a 2008 Odyssey with $7K off and I don't think the larger rebates will be coming back anytime soon. That's life I guess.

I don't think so check this:

"starting 2009 at an abysmal pace for the whole auto industry as lower sales to fleet buyers like rental car companies weighed down the results."

"Toyota's sales dove 32 percent for the month, Nissan's dropped 30 percent and Honda's fell 28 percent, putting the overall industry on track for its fourth straight month in which U.S. sales plunged 30 percent or more."

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Most-carmakers-sales-plunge-apf-14240883.html

So the results came out as a big hit for all car makers, their inventory of january got a big hit, so they will have a big inventory to clean up from Feb forward.

[G-Unit!!]

So the results came out as a big hit for all car makers, their inventory of january got a big hit, so they will have a big inventory to clean up from Feb forward.

I get everything up to your own added conclusion here.
Yes - sales have dropped immensely across the board, it doesn't necessarily mean it translate to increase in inventory.

If the carmakers anticipated this drop in November/December, they wouldn't have produced the same level of cars they had a year ago, these guys aren't stupid. It's all about expectations. What if Honda anticipated 60% drop in sales vs. this actual results? Their month-over-month inventory would have actually gone down.

Here are the Cdn #s:
http://www.google.com/hostednews/canadianpress/article/ALeqM5iYluT3tT9qYcAPb43uFlCm3wtAzA

Specifically:
"Industry analyst Dennis DesRosiers, who compiles the industry data, noted that January is the slowest month for vehicle sales and the drop from a year ago was not a surprise"

and

"Honda-branded sales fell 39 per cent to 6,460, while Acura was down 26 per cent at 1,099. The carmaker, which assembles Civics and two Acura models in Ontario, said these declines "reflect our expectations," as year-ago numbers were boosted to twice the monthly average by special sales initiatives."

So, overall, I don't think you can say that Feb inventory has increased and you should expect more incentives.

[Curatio]

I don't think so check this:

"starting 2009 at an abysmal pace for the whole auto industry as lower sales to fleet buyers like rental car companies weighed down the results."

"Toyota's sales dove 32 percent for the month, Nissan's dropped 30 percent and Honda's fell 28 percent, putting the overall industry on track for its fourth straight month in which U.S. sales plunged 30 percent or more."

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Most-carmakers-sales-plunge-apf-14240883.html

So the results came out as a big hit for all car makers, their inventory of january got a big hit, so they will have a big inventory to clean up from Feb forward.

First of all, you are referring to figures for the U.S. The situation down there is much worse than up here in Canada.

Second of all, you are just speculating. You are hoping that just because sales figures are down, that they will lower prices or increase incentives.

In reality, their inventories here in Canada are much lower now after the huge incentives from December and January, and for the rest of 2009 they have drastically cut production, so there will no longer be an oversupply problem. With the supply decreased to meet to lower demand, there is no longer any need to provide some of the huge incentives we have already seen. This is already evident in the rebate for the 2009 Element, which has been cut to $4000 this month, from $7000 last month.

[82]

Do you have the Dec and Jan inventory figure for Honda?

First of all, you are referring to figures for the U.S. The situation down there is much worse than up here in Canada.

Second of all, you are just speculating. You are hoping that just because sales figures are down, that they will lower prices or increase incentives.

In reality, their inventories here in Canada are much lower now after the huge incentives from December and January, and for the rest of 2009 they have drastically cut production, so there will no longer be an oversupply problem. With the supply decreased to meet to lower demand, there is no longer any need to provide some of the huge incentives we have already seen. This is already evident in the rebate for the 2009 Element, which has been cut to $4000 this month, from $7000 last month.

[kuba]

Take a look at a Pontiac Vibe....a rebadged Toyota Matrix but with better incentives. It will be larger and better optioned than the Fit.

lol!!!

Vibe and Matrix SUCK!
I took them out for a test drive last spring and when the new 09s came out.
I dropped the back seats down in the Matrix and HORRIBLE cargo space.

The Fit beats them both down in terms of fuel economy and practicality.
Horrible blind spots in the rear for the Matrix as well.
Fit is a blast to drive and tons of room.

[kuba]

Was hoping for a smaller car. Student, with no kids and no mountain bike to lug around. I just commute to school and work. Would like to save on gas.

Forget the Matrix and Vibe, read my post above, garbage, garbage, garbage.
Take them for a test drive and then take the Fit, you'll love it.

[EL-ZABER]

don't think so , 3 weeks already, no chance at all

I wouldnt take no for an answer even if I had to call the head office, it is 6K after all, I am sure you can work some kind of a deal....

[deano43]

Test drove the Civic a while back, being 6'1" I found it cockpit like, too snug, leg hitting the E brake, ( I own a 2005 Honda Accord and its a very nice car) I ended up buying the Hyundai Elantra GL auto for 19k out the door, (a similairly equipped Civic out the door is $24800 on the website) maybe making a deal you can bring the price down a bit but can you get a good financing deal as well.The Elantra is very roomy and a smooth ride, a $3500 rebate and 0%for 3 years ( I opted for 5 yrs @2.9 to defer the monthly payments ) you can find a bare bones model (auto) for $16700 out the door. Long term quality remains to be seen, if Im concerned about it I'll sell it in 4.5 years so the new owner has a peace of mind for 6 months on the 5 yrs warranty.

[Starxin]

It seems there is still a promotion for CRV now.

Get cash incentives up to $4,000 on select CR-V models!

At least in SK.

[RFD_acct]

What aboot the S2K ?

[CalgaryJeremyK]

Some of the Honda/Acura rebates on Car cost canada are listed as factory to dealer and others are listed as factory to consumer.

Can someone who has used the rebates (i.e. on the MDX for which there are both available) confirm for me that the factory to dealer are applied to the price BEFORE calculating GST and that the factory to consumer rebates are applied after calculating GST?

[Monky]

I don't think so check this:

"starting 2009 at an abysmal pace for the whole auto industry as lower sales to fleet buyers like rental car companies weighed down the results."

"Toyota's sales dove 32 percent for the month, Nissan's dropped 30 percent and Honda's fell 28 percent, putting the overall industry on track for its fourth straight month in which U.S. sales plunged 30 percent or more."

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Most-carmakers-sales-plunge-apf-14240883.html

So the results came out as a big hit for all car makers, their inventory of january got a big hit, so they will have a big inventory to clean up from Feb forward.

http://www.nationalpost.com/story.html?id=1248164

Here are some Canadian sales stats. Yes, Jan 09 is not a good month but 3 mfgs have improved sales over Decmeber, two of which are Toyota and Honda. This is a good sign for them. Of the course in the article, the GM's and Fords are really hurting. It's an awesome time to buy one of American company's cars.

Also, since things have changed so much in the past year, comparing Jan 08 to Jan 09 may not make much sense.

If sales are improving month over month, maybe Toyota and Honda may hold off on increasing rebates considering they have dropped production levels already. But who knows where things will go!

Too bad the CDN/USD exchange is so poor or it would be an excellent time to buy down south!

[Monky]

What aboot the S2K ?

http://www.canadiandriver.com/2009/01/26/2009-is-last-year-for-honda-s2000.htm

Might not be too much discount available as they are ending production. Could be a collectors item!

[G-Unit!!]

http://www.nationalpost.com/story.html?id=1248164

Here are some Canadian sales stats. Yes, Jan 09 is not a good month but 3 mfgs have improved sales over Decmeber, two of which are Toyota and Honda. This is a good sign for them. Of the course in the article, the GM's and Fords are really hurting. It's an awesome time to buy one of American company's cars.

Also, since things have changed so much in the past year, comparing Jan 08 to Jan 09 may not make much sense.

If sales are improving month over month, maybe Toyota and Honda may hold off on increasing rebates considering they have dropped production levels already. But who knows where things will go!

Too bad the CDN/USD exchange is so poor or it would be an excellent time to buy down south!

I was originally thinking of buying from buffalo, but the USD and taxes kill the deal, not to mention the hassel of getting the documents, etc.

[longdong]

I was originally thinking of buying from buffalo, but the USD and taxes kill the deal, not to mention the hassel of getting the documents, etc.

15 months ago, I did buy a car from US and don't worry about the documents, it's quite simple ... only the exchange rate kills the deal + several rebate from dealer.

[82]

I thought the Elantra is slightly smaller or same size as Civic?

Test drove the Civic a while back, being 6'1" I found it cockpit like, too snug, leg hitting the E brake, ( I own a 2005 Honda Accord and its a very nice car) I ended up buying the Hyundai Elantra GL auto for 19k out the door, (a similairly equipped Civic out the door is $24800 on the website) maybe making a deal you can bring the price down a bit but can you get a good financing deal as well.The Elantra is very roomy and a smooth ride, a $3500 rebate and 0%for 3 years ( I opted for 5 yrs @2.9 to defer the monthly payments ) you can find a bare bones model (auto) for $16700 out the door. Long term quality remains to be seen, if Im concerned about it I'll sell it in 4.5 years so the new owner has a peace of mind for 6 months on the 5 yrs warranty.

[wjuneca]

Could you reply to me when you have a chance? Thanks

I could have got a 2008 EX 4WD for 30,173.73 freight and tax included, at a dealer in Quebec. That's a better deal than yours -- but still 7000 off is not bad at all.

Louis

[lobsta2k]

+1

Just did.

Louis

[dost]

So after The first pm, the salesman from the other dealership called me back and said he'd throw in rims for the winter tires, and the electronic pressure gage for free. So I pm'd again, which really pissed off the salesman I was dealing with, he told me that if I wanted to do underhanded business like that I could talk to the manager to get my deposit back.

He called back, 5 minutes later, saying that fine, he'd throw in the toys.

So in the end, 27,818 all tax/freight included for the 2008 CRV LX 4WD with extra rims and electronic pressure gage included. Damn I'm glad I waited till now to buy!

Can you please send me details such as quote, dealer name, etc. I am interested in buying CRV and I will jump in if I get the price you were quoted.
thanks

[G-Unit!!]

Can you please send me details such as quote, dealer name, etc. I am interested in buying CRV and I will jump in if I get the price you were quoted.
thanks

I'm also interested in getting a CRV. The best 09 LX 4WD CRV i've got is 28,800 OTR (GTA area). My back of the envelope calculation gets me to around 6k off MSRP (cash deal).

If we get a couple of guys together - maybe we can negotiate a "group buy" and save even more?!?

Anyone else interested?!

[mxz600]

6000 off an 09 CRV, take it, your not gunna get a dealer take 2000 off on top of the manufacturer 4000 dollars. Thats the best you will get. maybe 100 dollars here or there, but thats it. In NL, you won't get that. But we got a monopoly here.

[G-Unit!!]

6000 off an 09 CRV, take it, your not gunna get a dealer take 2000 off on top of the manufacturer 4000 dollars. Thats the best you will get. maybe 100 dollars here or there, but thats it. In NL, you won't get that. But we got a monopoly here.

Well, that's the difference. You are there and I'm here. I'm sure your cost of living is cheaper than us.

A couple of hundred bucks is an extra couple of hundred bucks in my pocket. Just b/c we are talking about a big ticket item, and $100 is small relative to the price tag, I rather have that extra $100 in my pocket. Better here than Honda Canada!

[lobsta2k]

Can you please send me details such as quote, dealer name, etc. I am interested in buying CRV and I will jump in if I get the price you were quoted.
thanks

Longueuil Honda. Dealer's name was Daniel. The quote is in the "quote" (sorry had to say that).

Cheers,

Louis

[G-Unit!!]

Bought an 08 LX 4WD CRV (yes it's an 08 not 09) for $27,400 OTR (~7200+ off MSRP), it has a sports package on it and included in this price (roof rack, chrome side step and chrome exhaust).
From another thread on RFD, this was retailing for $1400+, discounted to $1000 in the summer of 08, the dealer said it costs them $700. Altho the exhaust is useless IMO, there are some value to the roof frack and side step (esp for kids). I think after market prices for these are ~$600 (before tax or $700 after tax). If I back away $600, the car cost is ~$7800 off MSRP or $26,700 OTR.

I plan to keep the car for a long time, so 08 vs. 09 is not an issue for me as long as it's a new car.

[flame02]

Bought an 08 LX 4WD CRV (yes it's an 08 not 09) for $27,400 OTR (~7200+ off MSRP), it has a sports package on it and included in this price (roof rack, chrome side step and chrome exhaust).
From another thread on RFD, this was retailing for $1400+, discounted to $1000 in the summer of 08, the dealer said it costs them $700. Altho the exhaust is useless IMO, there are some value to the roof frack and side step (esp for kids). I think after market prices for these are ~$600 (before tax or $700 after tax). If I back away $600, the car cost is ~$7800 off MSRP or $26,700 OTR.

I plan to keep the car for a long time, so 08 vs. 09 is not an issue for me as long as it's a new car.

which honda dealership did you go to?

[wjuneca]

Are you in GTA according to your previous post? Mind telling /PMing me your dealership?Any more 2008 model left?

Thanks.

Bought an 08 LX 4WD CRV (yes it's an 08 not 09) for $27,400 OTR (~7200+ off MSRP), it has a sports package on it and included in this price (roof rack, chrome side step and chrome exhaust).
From another thread on RFD, this was retailing for $1400+, discounted to $1000 in the summer of 08, the dealer said it costs them $700. Altho the exhaust is useless IMO, there are some value to the roof frack and side step (esp for kids). I think after market prices for these are ~$600 (before tax or $700 after tax). If I back away $600, the car cost is ~$7800 off MSRP or $26,700 OTR.

I plan to keep the car for a long time, so 08 vs. 09 is not an issue for me as long as it's a new car.

[charliebrown]

went into Markham Honda on Jan 31; they had 1 beige 2008 CRV EX AWD model left

While the cash discount on the 2008/2009s were enticing, we didnt really find the interior look / feel that good; the salesperson's attitude pretty much sealed their fate :lol:

[G-Unit!!]

which honda dealership did you go to?

That was the last one left. No more available unfortuneately.

[G-Unit!!]

went into Markham Honda on Jan 31; they had 1 beige 2008 CRV EX AWD model left

While the cash discount on the 2008/2009s were enticing, we didnt really find the interior look / feel that good; the salesperson's attitude pretty much sealed their fate :lol:

Went in the afternoon of the 31st to Markham Honda, salesman said that one was sold.

Two weeks back, there were two 2008 EX 4WD at Ideal Honda, went in, the guy gave me a quote of $30k OTR price, which I think translate to ~7000 - 7500 off MSRP. The two colours were Green and Beige.
They had one more (with Navi package I think-double check I could be wrong) with the same amount off MSRP, OTR price they gave me was $35,500, the colour was dark blue. No other dealerships in the GTA have anymore NEW 2008 CRVs available.

You can find some 08 Demos but are not worth it b/c they only take off the freight/PDI on top of the discount and they usually have 10,000 km put on them already.

[longdong]

which honda dealership did you go to?

Address: Toronto, ON View map
Location: Toronto
Date Listed: 09-Feb-09
Website URL: http://www.TransDeal.ca


This new 2009 Honda CRV LX 4WD is for sale in Toronto at less than Honda CRV LX invoice price. This is a new 2009 Honda CR-V LX it is new not a demo Honda or Used Honda CRV LX. With TransDeal.ca you save $5234 off MSRP which is less than Canadian Honda CRV invoice price.

[G-Unit!!]

Address: Toronto, ON View map
Location: Toronto
Date Listed: 09-Feb-09
Website URL: http://www.TransDeal.ca


This new 2009 Honda CRV LX 4WD is for sale in Toronto at less than Honda CRV LX invoice price. This is a new 2009 Honda CR-V LX it is new not a demo Honda or Used Honda CRV LX. With TransDeal.ca you save $5234 off MSRP which is less than Canadian Honda CRV invoice price.

If I use the $5234 off MSRP and my freight/PDI (1105+455), air con tax 105 + tax (13%), I get to a roughly $29,600 OTR price for an LX 4WD (correct me if my math is wrong). I've got quotes from a couple of dealerships for $28,800 range, which gets me to ~6000 off MSRP. Fellow RFDers looking for this vehicle should aim to get this price if not better.

[longdong]

If I use the $5234 off MSRP and my freight/PDI (1105+455), air con tax 105 + tax (13%), I get to a roughly $29,600 OTR price for an LX 4WD (correct me if my math is wrong). I've got quotes from a couple of dealerships for $28,800 range, which gets me to ~6000 off MSRP. Fellow RFDers looking for this vehicle should aim to get this price if not better.

Looks like the deal is better than january than someone said that the deal on Feb is less and january

[mxz600]

Address: Toronto, ON View map
Location: Toronto
Date Listed: 09-Feb-09
Website URL: http://www.TransDeal.ca


This new 2009 Honda CRV LX 4WD is for sale in Toronto at less than Honda CRV LX invoice price. This is a new 2009 Honda CR-V LX it is new not a demo Honda or Used Honda CRV LX. With TransDeal.ca you save $5234 off MSRP which is less than Canadian Honda CRV invoice price.

yes its lower than invoice, but theres $4000 off from the manufacturer, so you gotta look at the $1234 off that the dealer is giving, is there more markup on the CRV than that? if so than they are still making money.

Like G-Unit posted, $28,800 that is at least cost, nobody will sell at a loss.

[mxz600]

Looks like the deal is better than january than someone said that the deal on Feb is less and january

the deals are the same, just the dealers are getting desperate.

[G-Unit!!]

yes its lower than invoice, but theres $4000 off from the manufacturer, so you gotta look at the $1234 off that the dealer is giving, is there more markup on the CRV than that? if so than they are still making money.

Like G-Unit posted, $28,800 that is at least cost, nobody will sell at a loss.

I think the dealers are still making a couple of hundred dollars at this price. I don't think margins on a car is what they are aiming for but just to get sales out the door and inventory flowing.

[fiendy]

yes its lower than invoice, but theres $4000 off from the manufacturer, so you gotta look at the $1234 off that the dealer is giving, is there more markup on the CRV than that? if so than they are still making money.

Like G-Unit posted, $28,800 that is at least cost, nobody will sell at a loss.

According to Toyota rep, dealer markup on CR-V is approx. $2,200, not sure if that is for 2008 and 2009.

We bought a 2009 CR-V for $5,500 off MSRP.
Toyota rep could not believe the figures we gave him.

I don't want to go into any more details.

You can PM me, if you're near S-W Ontario and I might give you more info.

[fiendy]

yes its lower than invoice, but theres $4000 off from the manufacturer, so you gotta look at the $1234 off that the dealer is giving, is there more markup on the CRV than that? if so than they are still making money.

Like G-Unit posted, $28,800 that is at least cost, nobody will sell at a loss.

You are not understanding the manufacturing/wholesale and retail side of things:

1) Honda makes car truck and *sells* to dealer, the cash incentive (outside financing) is from the manufacturer, they agree to give you the discount so they don't have to take on the loan themselves. This is effectively a direct rebate to Honda.

2) MSRP has a dealer margin built-in, see my above post. The dealer can still come down a little to make a sale, its true you will not get a dealer to sell at a loss, but when its not them footing the bill for the rebate, you don't have that situation.

I confirmed that I could stack the manuf. cash incentive rebate and dealer concessions on MSRP. The result was probably a car at/close/below dealer cost, but that doesn't mean the dealer lost money on the deal.

[mxz600]

You are not understanding the manufacturing/wholesale and retail side of things:

1) Honda makes car truck and *sells* to dealer, the cash incentive (outside financing) is from the manufacturer, they agree to give you the discount so they don't have to take on the loan themselves. This is effectively a direct rebate to Honda.

2) MSRP has a dealer margin built-in, see my above post. The dealer can still come down a little to make a sale, its true you will not get a dealer to sell at a loss, but when its not them footing the bill for the rebate, you don't have that situation.

I confirmed that I could stack the manuf. cash incentive rebate and dealer concessions on MSRP. The result was probably a car at/close/below dealer cost, but that doesn't mean the dealer lost money on the deal.


obviously if the vehicle is 20,000 and there is a 5000 rebate from the manufacturer, and the cost to the dealer is 18,000 and they sell it for 14,000 then obviously the dealer sold at below thir cost, but still made a 1000 dollars.

Anybody can see that. so with 4000$ off the CRV, and with 2200 markup for the dealers on the MSRP, then yes, they are all selling at below there cost, but if you only get the 4000 off, then their making there full profit and screwing you!

[fiendy]

obviously if the vehicle is 20,000 and there is a 5000 rebate from the manufacturer, and the cost to the dealer is 18,000 and they sell it for 14,000 then obviously the dealer sold at below thir cost, but still made a 1000 dollars.

Anybody can see that. so with 4000$ off the CRV, and with 2200 markup for the dealers on the MSRP, then yes, they are all selling at below there cost, but if you only get the 4000 off, then their making there full profit and screwing you!

Exactly... well not necessarily screwing, but you're not getting the best possible deal. They basically said, 'make an offer' and we'll see if we can accept it.

[bluestreetlight]

According to Toyota rep, dealer markup on CR-V is approx. $2,200, not sure if that is for 2008 and 2009.

We bought a 2009 CR-V for $5,500 off MSRP.
Toyota rep could not believe the figures we gave him.

I don't want to go into any more details.

You can PM me, if you're near S-W Ontario and I might give you more info.

Why Toyota?? ;)

[fiendy]

Why Toyota?? ;)

Comparing the CR-V to the Rav 4, expected to buy Toyota, but we found the CR-V much more practical for our needs and tastes.

[superwell]

Comparing the CR-V to the Rav 4, expected to buy Toyota, but we found the CR-V much more practical for our needs and tastes.

i loved the rav4 until i went around the back and found out the back door is one large door with no seperate glass...a big no no for me...as I have transported items in the past that have fit nicely out the window with still having the door portion closed on my current crv.

[G-Unit!!]

For those who purchased the CRV, any recommendations on snow tires/rims?
Did you go with the 17" or the 16" and what are the prices like?
Any good packages you would recommend?
thx

[airodus]

For those who purchased the CRV, any recommendations on snow tires/rims?
Did you go with the 17" or the 16" and what are the prices like?
Any good packages you would recommend?
thx

Good luck with snow tires. There's such a shortage right now that you will be very lucky if you find any in stock. You will also be paying quite a premium as well. Best bet is to rough it out till next fall when they get more in stock.

[G-Unit!!]

Good luck with snow tires. There's such a shortage right now that you will be very lucky if you find any in stock. You will also be paying quite a premium as well. Best bet is to rough it out till next fall when they get more in stock.

ok - thx for the heads up.

[marbles]

I ordered snow tires from Tire Rack (tirerack.com) in the States -- they came in for a similar price to what I'd have paid at Crappy Tire after exchange and duty... it's probably either that or Costco if you want to get them this year.

[G-Unit!!]

Been quoted ~$1300+tax for 17" steel rims + winter tires + tire sensors from Honda.

Anyone know if this is a decent deal or not?!
thx

[gucci17]

Has anyone come across any 08' Ridgelines or Elements?

[G-Unit!!]

Has anyone come across any 08' Ridgelines or Elements?

It'll help if you tell us where you are from.

I've seen an 08 Element LX 2WD at Markham Honda 2 weeks ago.
Got quoted 8000 off MSRP, on the road price was $23,300, you can probably negotiate for more as this is just the Honda's cash incentive, the dealer should give some discount too.

[bingo_jake]

has anyone got a good deal on Odyssey (interested in EX model)?

tnx

[gucci17]

It'll help if you tell us where you are from.

I've seen an 08 Element LX 2WD at Markham Honda 2 weeks ago.
Got quoted 8000 off MSRP, on the road price was $23,300, you can probably negotiate for more as this is just the Honda's cash incentive, the dealer should give some discount too.

Sorry about that.

I'm from Mississauga. I might drop by Markham Honda this weekend. Would you mind PM'ing the salesperson you talked to about that? Was this with January's Cash Rebate incentives? I've been getting quotes with only a $4000 off cash incentive on the EX model for the Element. $4500 off VS Model for the Ridgeline. I think I would prefer to go with an 08' if there are still any deals for them.

Btw, what colour was the 08 Element LX at Markham Honda?

[Jacka]

For Vancouver, anyone know if Honda have promotion on maintenance / engine oil change? My 08 CR-V is due for major check up.


Brought the CR-V (basic 4WD model) in December 2007, car run fine, gas mileage is around 10L/100, no major problem.

[G-Unit!!]

Sorry about that.

I'm from Mississauga. I might drop by Markham Honda this weekend. Would you mind PM'ing the salesperson you talked to about that? Was this with January's Cash Rebate incentives? I've been getting quotes with only a $4000 off cash incentive on the EX model for the Element. $4500 off VS Model for the Ridgeline. I think I would prefer to go with an 08' if there are still any deals for them.

Btw, what colour was the 08 Element LX at Markham Honda?

The salesman's name was Jim. The element is silver in colour.

[donye]

Is better buy winter tire and rim from honda or cosco for my 2008 crv?

[Drew_W]

Is better buy winter tire and rim from honda or cosco for my 2008 crv?

At this point, wherever someone has inventory. For next year, you'll have many more options, and much lower prices.

[MrDisco]

Is better buy winter tire and rim from honda or cosco for my 2008 crv?

I would say you should wait till next season and shop around. You will get much better pricing by purchasing your wheels elsewhere.

[donye]

Markham Honda Dealer Salesman said, he can get me 4 winter tire (michilen) with 4 rim(steel) with 15% off ( he buy it for me,i pay) $1168+tax
Is it good deal? I called markham honda parts, the parts guy said $1299+tax
So, i save $131 buying from the salesman.
Do i need to buy tire sensor too?

[Tuppin]

You can have winter tires without tire sensors....it just means that the tire pressure indicator light will either stay on or in most cases flash(Subaru and Toyota ones flash...can't say what Honda ones do). It's a high expense for winter tires.

[gucci17]

The salesman's name was Jim. The element is silver in colour.

Thanks G-Unit

[mxz600]

I was in Honda today for another attempt to get closer to the 28,800 that some have got for an LX AWD 09 CRV.

The salesman balked at the thought of selling at that price, he said they need to make 1000 on the vehicle to justify there existance. Fair enough.

So im looking at the quote....

with 5000 off, the vehicle is 30,868 on the road, thats alot more than the 28,800 price. So i ask him whats up, it should be a thousand more, so $29,800.

He then told me that they charge 380 for winter and summer mats, rear cargo floor tray and mud flaps...!!!!

So i go home and build it online, it turns out they are charging an extra 600 for those usless items.

Are my calculations right? shouldn't i expect to get the vehicle for the same price as i build online?

[wjuneca]

Go find another dealer:twisted:

[mxz600]

Go find another dealer:twisted:

only One in my area, next one is 2 hours away.

[projectmoonlightcafe]

Anyone know how much is it OTR for a 2009 CRV EX4WD or EXL? What about for a 2009 Element EX or SC (I mean with the best discounts and where)? Thanks!

[mxz600]

Anyone know how much is it OTR for a 2009 CRV EX4WD or EXL? What about for a 2009 Element EX or SC (I mean with the best discounts and where)? Thanks!

common, don't be so lazy, read!

[projectmoonlightcafe]

I did...I read the whole thread.

[Stock R]

only One in my area, next one is 2 hours away.

If things aren't right now, just imagine how bad they'll be later.

[mxz600]

Anyone know how much is it OTR for a 2009 CRV EX4WD or EXL? What about for a 2009 Element EX or SC (I mean with the best discounts and where)? Thanks!

theres a thread in the automotive section (not deals) that has invoice prices on alot of popular vehicles through CCC (Car Cost Canada) I think I see one for the CRV EX AWD and there was 2500 dollars in markup.

[maniacshopper]

Markham Honda Dealer Salesman said, he can get me 4 winter tire (michilen) with 4 rim(steel) with 15% off ( he buy it for me,i pay) $1168+tax
Is it good deal? I called markham honda parts, the parts guy said $1299+tax
So, i save $131 buying from the salesman.
Do i need to buy tire sensor too?

depends on what model the tire is. is it x-ice2, alpin, or winterforce?
inventory probably low at this point of the season. mfr's produce their winter inventory during summer, their summer tires during winter.

Check back in Sept.

[projectmoonlightcafe]

theres a thread in the automotive section (not deals) that has invoice prices on alot of popular vehicles through CCC (Car Cost Canada) I think I see one for the CRV EX AWD and there was 2500 dollars in markup.

Thanks a lot, I'll take a look.

[adamu]

Just came back from brampton Honda, just wanted to get a quote on a 09 CRV. Was looking to lease it. This is what they offered me.

$2000 down

2009 4wd LX
$439/m 3.9% apr

2009 4wd EX
484/m 3.9 apr

Was looking at around $440/m on the EX. pushed for it, and he said he would talk his manager, but I was just looking. So I didn't bother. I pushed for some accessories, and he would throw in matts, rubber tray and possibly the car starter. Pretty good for the first dealer I went to look at. Going to try and get a lower price some where. Any advice would be great. Seems like I can get a way better deal somewhere

[G-Unit!!]

Just came back from brampton Honda, just wanted to get a quote on a 09 CRV. Was looking to lease it. This is what they offered me.

$2000 down

2009 4wd LX
$439/m 3.9% apr

2009 4wd EX
484/m 3.9 apr

Was looking at around $440/m on the EX. pushed for it, and he said he would talk his manager, but I was just looking. So I didn't bother. I pushed for some accessories, and he would throw in matts, rubber tray and possibly the car starter. Pretty good for the first dealer I went to look at. Going to try and get a lower price some where. Any advice would be great. Seems like I can get a way better deal somewhere

What does the actual vehicle price turns out to be? I think that's the best way to compare (i.e. excluding the impact of interest rates and downpayments).

[G-Unit!!]

So I've got quoted $1200 + tax on a set of winter tires.
They are the marangoni Heteo HP SUV tires. I’ve never heard of them until he told me. Apparently, a couple of other Honda dealerships are selling these as well. I was hoping for the X-Ice2. Have you guys heard anything good/bad about these Marangoni tires?

The package includes tires (660), 17” rims + sensors (450ish), valve cap and installation (~$90). The installation sounds steep but then again, they have to “set the sensors”.

I think this is a pretty good package, but I’m just hung up on the tires. Anyone tried these out?

[adamu]

What does the actual vehicle price turns out to be? I think that's the best way to compare (i.e. excluding the impact of interest rates and downpayments).

Well The dealer pull out his trusty old sheets

He knocked of $1300 off the CRV LX
$29,790 - $1300

and $1700 of the CRV EX MSRP

32,690 - $1700

not a huge discount, but because were leasing "that's the best he could" unless he went and talked to his manager

[donye]

I smell gas inside my new 2008 cr-v
fuel smell in the passenger cabin
Can i keep drive the car or take to service to check immediately?


I search in google
http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/Honda_CR-V_runs_into_trouble/articleshow/2164203.cms

http://www.crvownersclub.com/forums/showthread.php?t=5043

[originalnutta]

I smell gas inside my new 2008 cr-v
fuel smell in the passenger cabin
Can i keep drive the car or take to service to check immediately?


I search in google
http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/Honda_CR-V_runs_into_trouble/articleshow/2164203.cms

http://www.crvownersclub.com/forums/showthread.php?t=5043

take it in. Its nothing urgent, but still its not going away.

It's sounds like a fuel filter leak.

[donye]

take it in. Its nothing urgent, but still its not going away.

It's sounds like a fuel filter leak.

I still keep driving the crv. I don't smell gas now.I only smelled gas yesterday.
I tightened the fuel fill cap.I don't know , fuel fill cap is the reason.But, i will phone honda dealer to check it.

[superwell]

Well The dealer pull out his trusty old sheets

He knocked of $1300 off the CRV LX
$29,790 - $1300

and $1700 of the CRV EX MSRP

32,690 - $1700

not a huge discount, but because were leasing "that's the best he could" unless he went and talked to his manager

that sucks seeing that you can get $5000 off for these same cars going th ecash way....

Keep us posted...I am looking at the same truck...either lx or ex (leaning towards the ex) so if you could post your best deal as you go from dealer to dealer that would be great!!

[HP_John]

I was in Honda today for another attempt to get closer to the 28,800 that some have got for an LX AWD 09 CRV.

The salesman balked at the thought of selling at that price, he said they need to make 1000 on the vehicle to justify there existance. Fair enough.

So im looking at the quote....

with 5000 off, the vehicle is 30,868 on the road, thats alot more than the 28,800 price. So i ask him whats up, it should be a thousand more, so $29,800.

He then told me that they charge 380 for winter and summer mats, rear cargo floor tray and mud flaps...!!!!

So i go home and build it online, it turns out they are charging an extra 600 for those usless items.

Are my calculations right? shouldn't i expect to get the vehicle for the same price as i build online?

I'm a sales & leasing consultant at a Honda dealership in Toronto. They do not need to make 1000 to justify anything. Sure, it'd be nice for them, & they do need to make something, but certainly not 1000 with today's conditions.

I understand that there are no other Honda dealers nearby, so maybe they have a monopoly, thus they're less willing to haggle.

I don't think they're overcharging you for the accessories, it's probably because they're charging you for VIN etching, which most dealers do (it is another form of admin fee IMO, it costs maybe $50 or less but most charge $300 or more for it). We do not do that.

[HP_John]

Well The dealer pull out his trusty old sheets

He knocked of $1300 off the CRV LX
$29,790 - $1300

and $1700 of the CRV EX MSRP

32,690 - $1700

not a huge discount, but because were leasing "that's the best he could" unless he went and talked to his manager

I'm not saying that's a bad deal, but sales & leasing consultants shouldn't be telling people that's the best they could do unless it really is, otherwise they're just lying to you. Yes, we do need to talk to our managers, but considering how competitive it is in Brampton with Honda dealers, clearly it's possible to do better.

[paulmav]

Any deals to be had on Civic's?

[madman604]

2009 civics are discounted $1500 for cash sales IE: not financed.

MSRP $27990 (Si Model) - $1500 (cash purchase) - $XXXXX(dealer discounts) + $100 enviro levy + $13XX (PDI/Freight if applicable) + $XXXXX tax) = your price

[madman604]

this may be old new to some of you, but a few of the dealerships in Vancouver and BBY are part of the "Scrap it" program IE trade in your OLD, driveable POS car and get up to $2250 towards teh purchase of a new honda.

my old Chevy S10 gets me $2250

you could buy an old junker that runs for a couple of hundred $ and trade it in!

more info here: http://www.scrapit.ca/index.htm

EDIT: BC only or wherever there's Aircare

[originalnutta]

this may be old new to some of you, but a few of the dealerships in Vancouver and BBY are part of the "Scrap it" program IE trade in your OLD, driveable POS car and get up to $2250 towards teh purchase of a new honda.

my old Chevy S10 gets me $2250

you could buy an old junker that runs for a couple of hundred $ and trade it in!

more info here: http://www.scrapit.ca/index.htm

wish we had the same TIV here (ON).

looks like ill have to drive my POS a little longer.

[tnguyen41]

Finally pulled the trigger on 09 Odyssey EX-L. I got the following discounts:

4000 cash incentive
2700 dealer incentive

+ 1500 more on my trade-in than anywhere else.

If you're in Ottawa, check out Kien at Dow Honda (tell him Tho sent you), first time I dealt with a sales guy where I didn't feel sleazy afterwards, he gave me the best price right off the bat, and there was no haggling and back and forth with the manager... which I hate.

I went to 2 other dealerships where the would only offer me 5K total incentives and a crappy trade-in price.

Like most of you, I've been trying to wait for even better prices on the vehicles, but I think that the manufacturers have adjusted their output and that these great discounts are short-lived. I'm happy with my deal.

[timbit04]

Finally pulled the trigger on 09 Odyssey EX-L. I got the following discounts:

4000 cash incentive
2700 dealer incentive

+ 1500 more on my trade-in than anywhere else.

If you're in Ottawa, check out Kien at Dow Honda (tell him Tho sent you), first time I dealt with a sales guy where I didn't feel sleazy afterwards, he gave me the best price right off the bat, and there was no haggling and back and forth with the manager... which I hate.

I went to 2 other dealerships where the would only offer me 5K total incentives and a crappy trade-in price.

Like most of you, I've been trying to wait for even better prices on the vehicles, but I think that the manufacturers have adjusted their output and that these great discounts are short-lived. I'm happy with my deal.

Good for you!:razz::razz::razz::razz: I was looking at the 2009 EX-L also and have been waiting. May I ask what was the on-the-road cost without trade-in? I'm thinking of financing...did you lease or finance? at what rate? Thanx in advance...

[tnguyen41]

Honda finance/lease rates blow rocks right now, I think it's around 7%, but you should check. You will lose the 4K if you decide to go that route as well, since its a cash only incentive. I took out an unsecured Line of Credit from my bank @ 3.5% to buy this... most banks are offering anywhere between 3-4% unsecured during these rough times.

The before trade-in price was 35555 + PST/GST = 40177... kinda bland if you think you're basically just saving on the taxes... but this time last year, Honda would just grunt and point me at the door if I told them this was all I was willing to pay... how the mighty have fallen.

[yavuzmc]

car cost canada wholesale price of honda cr-v Ex-L with Navi is 31,968 CAD + tax which is equal to 36123.84 on the road.

I got a quote from a dealer 35,770 on the road, how does it sound?

for those who doesnot want navi, car cost canadian wholesale ( invoice) price for 2009 honda cr-v EX-L is 30,211 + tax

[tnguyen41]

not great... that means honda incentive is 4000 and they only tossing in another 1K as a dealer incentive. if you look at my post... my dealer incentive was 2600... I think you can do better... let me ask my salesman and I will post my findings.

[yavuzmc]

really? I thought it is a great deal, because it includes, taxes, registration, PDI..., please get back to me about where I am making the mistake. note that when I said Car cost canada whole sale price is 31968+tax , I already deducted the 4000 incentive, otherwise it shows 35968+tax ( without the 4K incentive)

[x95zsk]

not great... that means honda incentive is 4000 and they only tossing in another 1K as a dealer incentive. if you look at my post... my dealer incentive was 2600... I think you can do better... let me ask my salesman and I will post my findings.

Even car cost canada does not put hte 2700 dealer incentive!!!! i only saw the 4000 cash. I am interested in buying for cash....but with only 4000, its not really worth it. now, if it is $7000 its very much worth considering. I am also looking at the EX-L model and located in ontario.

[yavuzmc]

I was not aware of the 2700 dealer incentive. By the way as far as the factory to customer incentive of 4000, car cost canada shows it. it just does not show the 2700 dealer incentive, is your source accurate for that incentive?

[tnguyen41]

The 4K comes directly from Honda... this is not subsidized by the dealer in any way. So if you look at the "invoice" price in CarCost... you'll see there's about 3-4K markup, this is what you can negotiate with the dealer. However I believe even if they sell at invoice price, Honda still pays the dealer a "hold back" fee, which means dealer will always make money.

[yavuzmc]

the price I am going to pay ( 35770) for is 433 CAD less than the invoice price that CCC shows.

the dealer said they are also going to include life time free oilchange service at their dealership as well, I know this is just a way to make me go there for other maintenance etc, but still an oil change in an honda dealership is 60 cad, so it is still something, right?

so do you think that I have still more negotiation room?

[happy4uall]

Honda finance/lease rates blow rocks right now, I think it's around 7%, but you should check. You will lose the 4K if you decide to go that route as well, since its a cash only incentive. I took out an unsecured Line of Credit from my bank @ 3.5% to buy this... most banks are offering anywhere between 3-4% unsecured during these rough times.

The before trade-in price was 35555 + PST/GST = 40177... kinda bland if you think you're basically just saving on the taxes... but this time last year, Honda would just grunt and point me at the door if I told them this was all I was willing to pay... how the mighty have fallen.

Thanks for letting me know. BTW, your unsecured LOC is a fantastic 3.5% rate. TD just upped my rate from Prime +0.75% to Prime +1.25%...those buggers...

[ferkel]

honda resell values are on par with GM now with these huge incentives

[x95zsk]

which dealer is this???? We are looking to get a odyssey now. the price I am going to pay ( 35770) for is 433 CAD less than the invoice price that CCC shows.

the dealer said they are also going to include life time free oilchange service at their dealership as well, I know this is just a way to make me go there for other maintenance etc, but still an oil change in an honda dealership is 60 cad, so it is still something, right?

so do you think that I have still more negotiation room?

[tnguyen41]

guys... DO NOT INCLUDE the 4K cashback when you negotiate towards the invoice price!!!! Like I said, this is a HONDA incentive, not the dealer incentive. This means the dealer is not actually giving you this 4k, it's honda canada!

If I use your logic, I paid almost 3K UNDER the invoice price.

Negotiate as close to the invoice price as possible... then subtract an additional 4K. If i wasn't so lazy to post a scan of my invoice, here are the line items:
----------------------------------------------------------------
09 EX-L Oddy

Basic vehicle= 40590
Manufacturer discount = - 4000
Total = 36590

Dealer discount = -2700
Total sale price = 33890

Now the CCC invoice price for the 09 EX-L = 37140
-----------------------------------------------------------------

I find some dealers will try to make you believe that 4K is coming from their pocket, but its not! Do not confuse manufacturer discounts with dealer discounts, they are two different discounts which you add together.

Based on your 35770 price, you're probably not even getting any dealer discount at all.

[badass]

Thanks for letting me know. BTW, your unsecured LOC is a fantastic 3.5% rate. TD just upped my rate from Prime +0.75% to Prime +1.25%...those buggers...

They upped my TD prime + 1.25% to prime + 4.25% so this line of credit is definitely going to be closed at that gready bank rate!

I think it is time to look for another bank!

[yavuzmc]

guys...
----------------------------------------------------------------
09 EX-L Oddy

Basic vehicle= 40590
Manufacturer discount = - 4000
Total = 36590

Dealer discount = -2700
Total sale price = 33890

.

I am assuming your 33890 price does not include taxes, if you add taxes you will be paying 38296.

My price does include the tax, and it is 35770. the base price for cr-v ex-l with navi is 37090, which is 3500 less than your oddysey. at the end we are paying 38296-35770=2526. that means you are getting better deal than mine. but then the dealer markup for Odyssey is higher because it is a more expensive vehicle.

For the one who ask about the dealer name, it is Castle honda in rexdale in the gta area

[swiftfox]

Sorry if this is a repost, but Honda USA is offering amazing lease rates.

http://automobiles.honda.com/current-offers.aspx

I emailed Waterloo Honda to see if they were going to even come close to these lease rates...naturally I didn't get a reply.

Its frustrating that its basically half price on leasing just an hour and a bit away...

[x95zsk]

From CCC

EX-L Base $40,590.00 $37,140.00 (so dealer market up $3450)

So....
if you give dealer $750 profit

Dealer cost: 37,140
profit 750
--------------------
price: 37,890
cash purchase 4000
--------------------
FINAL $ 33890.
Plus tax, freight, pdi, gas tax, etc etc etc

[careyy]

Finally pulled the trigger on 09 Odyssey EX-L. I got the following discounts:

4000 cash incentive
2700 dealer incentive

+ 1500 more on my trade-in than anywhere else.

If you're in Ottawa, check out Kien at Dow Honda (tell him Tho sent you), first time I dealt with a sales guy where I didn't feel sleazy afterwards, he gave me the best price right off the bat, and there was no haggling and back and forth with the manager... which I hate.

I went to 2 other dealerships where the would only offer me 5K total incentives and a crappy trade-in price.

Like most of you, I've been trying to wait for even better prices on the vehicles, but I think that the manufacturers have adjusted their output and that these great discounts are short-lived. I'm happy with my deal.

Can you please comfirm if the $4000 discount is applied before or after tax?

[HP_John]

really? I thought it is a great deal, because it includes, taxes, registration, PDI..., please get back to me about where I am making the mistake. note that when I said Car cost canada whole sale price is 31968+tax , I already deducted the 4000 incentive, otherwise it shows 35968+tax ( without the 4K incentive)

If that price really includes everything, & no hidden fees, then it's over $300 below cost before taxes, which is a great deal. I have a feeling they made a error somewhere.

I think sometimes customers mistake their own offer for a quote. For example, if the customer says they want to offer $X, & the sales consultant doesn't say "we can't do that number", the consumer may mistake that as a number that can be done, then say "thanks, but I think I'm going to go home & think about it". In my experience, I've had customers come in from other dealers with what they thought was a "quote" below cost, then when they were ready to move forward the other dealer told them it wasn't a "quote", it was just what they (the customer) wanted to pay for the car, that no one had said yes to their (the customer's) offer.

If a customer says they want to pay $X, a sales consultant can put that number down on a piece of a paper, & say they`re going to take it to their manager. Some consumers may think that means the price can be done. At most dealers, sales staff are not even told what the invoice price is, they have to go to the management to know what can be done.

[yavuzmc]

Can you please comfirm if the $4000 discount is applied before or after tax?

it should be before tax,

[yavuzmc]

If that price really includes everything, & no hidden fees, then it's over $300 below cost before taxes, which is a great deal. I have a feeling they made a error somewhere.

I think sometimes customers mistake their own offer for a quote. For example, if the customer says they want to offer $X, & the sales consultant doesn't say "we can't do that number", the consumer may mistake that as a number that can be done, then say "thanks, but I think I'm going to go home & think about it". In my experience, I've had customers come in from other dealers with what they thought was a "quote" below cost, then when they were ready to move forward the other dealer told them it wasn't a "quote", it was just what they (the customer) wanted to pay for the car, that no one had said yes to their (the customer's) offer.

yes includes everything, even the license plate transfer fee of 20 bucks, free life time oil changes. . however the only thing is that I don't have any colour or option choices, it is not a demo but just the last one in their inventory before their new shipment arrive.

[George W. Bush]

I would not buy a gas based car at this time. Electric is the way of the future! People buying gas cars are technically throwing money into an 100 year old "technology"

[mxz600]

I would not buy a gas based car at this time. Electric is the way of the future! People buying gas cars are technically throwing money into an 100 year old "technology"


OMG, Please! other than me, please, nobody reply to him, hes trying to hijack this thread with his moronic views.

The end.

[mxz600]

I was looking at the options with each trim on the CRV, and I see that the front and rear mud guards are included with every vehicle, my dealer is saying that they put them on and have to charge me 300 dollars for them. What a RIPOFF, the BBB should be called in on them, screwing uninformed buyers.

[MrDisco]

I would not buy a gas based car at this time. Electric is the way of the future! People buying gas cars are technically throwing money into an 100 year old "technology"

That is utter nonsense.

For someone who needs a car today just what do you want them to do? Wait around until electrical stations are built to recharge cars, power plants are built to accommodate the energy demand, new battery packs are built to give us range, and the price of the car itself drops?

By your logic should we toss out computer chips and wait for optical computing since after all it's based on decades old "technology" (resistors, capacitors and the like).

[spursbob]

Hydrogen cars are the future. Check out the Honda Clarity that is out in California.

[ferkel]

I was looking at the options with each trim on the CRV, and I see that the front and rear mud guards are included with every vehicle, my dealer is saying that they put them on and have to charge me 300 dollars for them. What a RIPOFF, the BBB should be called in on them, screwing uninformed buyers.

Which lovely Honda stealership is this? hahaha

[G-Unit!!]

Which lovely Honda stealership is this? hahaha

Ready Honda did the same thing to me ... and I politely declined.
They also tried to sell me the weather mats for $150-200 saying theirs is the only ones that fit a CRV. I politely declined again.

Then, went over to costco, they had the michelin mat on sale for $30 ($40 reg. price). Doesn't fit PERFECTLY, but for 5x the cost, I'll happy w/ the michelin.

[TodayHello]

Hydrogen cars are the future. Check out the Honda Clarity that is out in California.

Any proof to back up the *very* bold statement?

[perfchris]

Ready Honda did the same thing to me ... and I politely declined.
They also tried to sell me the weather mats for $150-200 saying theirs is the only ones that fit a CRV. I politely declined again.

Then, went over to costco, they had the michelin mat on sale for $30 ($40 reg. price). Doesn't fit PERFECTLY, but for 5x the cost, I'll happy w/ the michelin.

You can get the ones that the stealership is selling to you for 100 bucks in the US tax included.

By the way, all accessories for your Hondas are available on-line from the US. much cheaper than from the dealer, have them shipped to a US address place near the border (search US shipping address) and save $$$$

[YYZer]

You can get the ones that the stealership is selling to you for 100 bucks in the US tax included.

By the way, all accessories for your Hondas are available on-line from the US. much cheaper than from the dealer, have them shipped to a US address place near the border (search US shipping address) and save $$$$

Usually can get these thrown in as last minute negotiation tactics. Got the cargo tray, plus the front and back CR-V mats thrown in with very little fuss from dealership.

[perfchris]

Usually can get these thrown in as last minute negotiation tactics. Got the cargo tray, plus the front and back CR-V mats thrown in with very little fuss from dealership.

The OEM ones are not very good for Canadian winters. The dealer probably paid 50 dollars for everything.

[YYZer]

The OEM ones are not very good for Canadian winters. The dealer probably paid 50 dollars for everything.

They do their job in covering everything, but admittedly, they don't look and aren't very high quality. Probably why they throw them in so easily...

[HP_John]

yes includes everything, even the license plate transfer fee of 20 bucks, free life time oil changes. . however the only thing is that I don't have any colour or option choices, it is not a demo but just the last one in their inventory before their new shipment arrive.

If that is a 09, & you really like the car, you should buy it. That is a great price, call around, I don't think anyone can beat it (there will be places that use misleading language to try to get you to come in, even though they can't beat that price).

[BlixemMike]

Has anybody been looking at ridgelines? Any specials to be aware of?

Either '08 or '09 models.

Thanks

[G-Unit!!]

Usually can get these thrown in as last minute negotiation tactics. Got the cargo tray, plus the front and back CR-V mats thrown in with very little fuss from dealership.

I find that they'll only throw these in if they are making a good enough profit from the vehicle. If you negotiate to a pretty discounted price, to a point where they are only a few hundred above invoice, they'll probably not throw these in.
I've got my new 08 LX 4WD CRV for roughly $8000 off MSRP (manufacturer + dealer), there's no way these guys are throwing anything else in.

[YYZer]

I find that they'll only throw these in if they are making a good enough profit from the vehicle. If you negotiate to a pretty discounted price, to a point where they are only a few hundred above invoice, they'll probably not throw these in.
I've got my new 08 LX 4WD CRV for roughly $8000 off MSRP (manufacturer + dealer), there's no way these guys are throwing anything else in.

Question is I guess... how low is the magic price? I got them below what I thought was the lowest (Car Cost Canada dealer cost price - all dealer rebates + a few hundred) and ended up being a bit more than $8K off for an 09 CRV EX-L, including a remote car starter. Thought that was lowest, but I guess you never know. My experience with 3 cars purchased so far in the past 6 years... always got the all season 'mats' thrown in... Of course, I was out the door a few times as well.

They were quite mad when I refused to buy the rust protection package though... :cheesygri

[longdong]

Question is I guess... how low is the magic price? I got them below what I thought was the lowest (Car Cost Canada dealer cost price - all dealer rebates + a few hundred) and ended up being a bit more than $8K off for an 09 CRV EX-L, including a remote car starter. Thought that was lowest, but I guess you never know. My experience with 3 cars purchased so far in the past 6 years... always got the all season 'mats' thrown in... Of course, I was out the door a few times as well.

They were quite mad when I refused to buy the rust protection package though... :cheesygri

the dealers makes alot of money on all these extras, so if we don't pay extras, for sure they are not happy

[G-Unit!!]

Question is I guess... how low is the magic price? I got them below what I thought was the lowest (Car Cost Canada dealer cost price - all dealer rebates + a few hundred) and ended up being a bit more than $8K off for an 09 CRV EX-L, including a remote car starter. Thought that was lowest, but I guess you never know. My experience with 3 cars purchased so far in the past 6 years... always got the all season 'mats' thrown in... Of course, I was out the door a few times as well.

They were quite mad when I refused to buy the rust protection package though... :cheesygri

That's great if you can get all that thrown in. Guess it all depends on the dealership, think another guy said that the dealership go much more than $4000 off but then the next closest is a couple of hrs away.

As well, I would assume that you should be able to get more off than my $8000, considering mine is the base LX 4WD model and yours is the higher EX-L model. My 8000 works out to be ~27% off MSRP, if I apply the same % to the EX-L base of $35,190, the discount should be in excess of $9000. Not sure if this is a better way to look at it, but it's logical, since your's is a more expensive car, there should be an additional mark-up on the difference between the EX-L and my LX model.

Good luck with you purchase, I'm definitely happy with mine.

[yavuzmc]

If that is a 09, & you really like the car, you should buy it. That is a great price, call around, I don't think anyone can beat it (there will be places that use misleading language to try to get you to come in, even though they can't beat that price). thanks John, so do you think the 4000 cash rebate will continue for the month of march, april etc? will it be increased or decreased? what do you think?
I am not in hurry to buy a new car, ( I have a running car I like, it just doesnot have A/C, etc) but this honda CR-V EX-L with Navi is definately a good deal, however if the car prices will go down even more I can still wait..

[spursbob]

Any proof to back up the *very* bold statement?

If enough of us believe it then it can happen. ;)

Zero emissions, most abundant energy supply, low cost once in mass use and very few moving parts - we'd all be crazy not to want one.

[mxz600]

i've been running some numbers and I'd like to know what you all think....

the tribute and the CRV FWD models are the same price, that is after the 5400 off the CRV.

When I do a lease build online for each model, to see the value of the vehicle after 48 months, it says the mazda is worth 8100 dollars and the crv is worth 12500. is this possible! I mean common! how is the crv worth 4400 dollars more?

If the crv is actually valued at this, and I could get that for the CRV in 2012 ( which some think is the end of the world ) then If i purchase the CRV, then I should have only paid like 11000 out of pocket for the CRV for 4 years!

I realize that MSRP's of both vehicles are just that, about 4-5000 dollars apart but is the honda just overpriced and riding on the name... HONDA? because the options are definatley in the Tribute's favor. I can't figure it out. can sombody help me as I'm torn between the two vehicles.

[ianou]

i've been running some numbers and i'd like to know what you all think....

The tribute and the crv fwd models are the same price, that is after the 5400 off the crv.

When i do a lease build online for each model, to see the value of the vehicle after 48 months, it says the mazda is worth 8100 dollars and the crv is worth 12500. Is this possible! I mean common! How is the crv worth 4400 dollars more?

If the crv is actually valued at this, and i could get that for the crv in 2012 ( which some think is the end of the world ) then if i purchase the crv, then i should have only paid like 11000 out of pocket for the crv for 4 years!

I realize that msrp's of both vehicles are just that, about 4-5000 dollars apart but is the honda just overpriced and riding on the name... Honda? Because the options are definatley in the tribute's favor. I can't figure it out. Can sombody help me as i'm torn between the two vehicles.

crv is much better than tribute, in any way, especially they are at the same price now.

[golden]

crv is much better than tribute, in any way, especially they are at the same price now.

I 2nd that. If I'm to cross shop CRV, I would compare it to the Rouge or RAV4.

[Pilleh]

That's great if you can get all that thrown in. Guess it all depends on the dealership, think another guy said that the dealership go much more than $4000 off but then the next closest is a couple of hrs away.

As well, I would assume that you should be able to get more off than my $8000, considering mine is the base LX 4WD model and yours is the higher EX-L model. My 8000 works out to be ~27% off MSRP, if I apply the same % to the EX-L base of $35,190, the discount should be in excess of $9000. Not sure if this is a better way to look at it, but it's logical, since your's is a more expensive car, there should be an additional mark-up on the difference between the EX-L and my LX model.

Good luck with you purchase, I'm definitely happy with mine.


hey G-Unit, what dealership did you buy at, classic is only giving me 4000 + 1000 dealer incentive + crossbars?

[nike]

Got this qoute from a local dealer in GTA. Is this a good deal for the 2009 Odyssey? This is the on the road price.

2009 Honda Odynessy EXL- RES (with DVD system)

Total on the road with tax $43455

[AMDFerrari]

I read the whole thread and didn't find much (any) info on the Accord.

My dad got a quote for a 2009 Accord EX-L sedan for $33,060. Any feedback on this price?

[G-Unit!!]

hey G-Unit, what dealership did you buy at, classic is only giving me 4000 + 1000 dealer incentive + crossbars?

pm sent.

[mxz600]

I read the whole thread and didn't find much (any) info on the Accord.

My dad got a quote for a 2009 Accord EX-L sedan for $33,060. Any feedback on this price?

yes, thats alot of money for a car, Period!

[MrDisco]

My dad got a quote for a 2009 Accord EX-L sedan for $33,060. Any feedback on this price?

Yes. Tell him to buy a CarCostCanada or better yet an APA quote. If you're seriously in the market to buy then having that info is invaluable. Why walk into a dealership blind?

[mxz600]

Yes. Tell him to buy a CarCostCanada or better yet an APA quote. If you're seriously in the market to buy then having that info is invaluable. Why walk into a dealership blind?

whats an APA quote? i did a search on google and didn't come up with anything.

[mxz600]

Called my salesman today at Honda and asked "whats the 3-400 dollar mark up from the internet price on the CRV im looking at? He said its admin and tire warranty.

I asked how much is the tire warranty? he said 200$! WTF!

I could buy a new tire for that. So I said, "tires only last 2 to 3 years, depending on use" so after that the warranty is over.

"do I need to pay for the warranty if i don't want it?" he said YES!

OMG, the way your treated when your shopping in a Monopoly market like I live in. Every Dealer seems to have these cash grabs to line there pockets.

Do I have a right to refuse the warranty and save myself 200 dollars?

[MrDisco]

whats an APA quote? i did a search on google and didn't come up with anything.

http://www.apa.ca

The best $70 you'll spend if you're serious about buying a vehicle.

"A member quote includes dealer invoice, the APA negotiated mark up over invoice, incentives and a referral to a dealer or a broker who guarantees to sell or lease you the vehicle at the pre-negotiated price. Membership includes 5 quotes"

[MrDisco]

Do I have a right to refuse the warranty and save myself 200 dollars?

Typical dealer BS.

This is the same type of scam tactics when they try to force you into buying things like VIN etching.

Absolutely you can refuse the tire warranty. It's simple, cross that off the invoice and hand them back your offer. It's a buyer's market so don't get pressured into this nonsense.

[tnguyen41]

Got this qoute from a local dealer in GTA. Is this a good deal for the 2009 Odyssey? This is the on the road price.

2009 Honda Odynessy EXL- RES (with DVD system)

Total on the road with tax $43455

Considering my EX-L cost 40200 on the road before trade-in, add 2200 for difference between EXL and the EX-l RES, you're about 1K too high. I'm sure the dealer discount on the RES is more than the 2700 I received... so you should aim for 1500 more of a discount!

[mxz600]

what about this site for getting invoice pricing?

http://www.carquotes.ca/new_vehicles.html

[MrDisco]

what about this site for getting invoice pricing?


sure there are other sites. there's also consumer reports canada and carhelpcanada. they all provide the same info.

i still say apa is the best as they give you a negotiated price. what does this mean? it means not only do you have the invoice price, but you have a guaranteed price for the car. Should you wish to bargain with a different dealer you can use this as your ceiling price as you know you can always walk away and just buy through the APA's dealer.

(and no i don't work for them; they're a non-profit to boot).

[mxz600]

sure there are other sites. there's also consumer reports canada and carhelpcanada. they all provide the same info.

i still say apa is the best as they give you a negotiated price. what does this mean? it means not only do you have the invoice price, but you have a guaranteed price for the car. Should you wish to bargain with a different dealer you can use this as your ceiling price as you know you can always walk away and just buy through the APA's dealer.

(and no i don't work for them; they're a non-profit to boot).

how functional is this service, APA.ca, for a city with only one dealer? I cannot buy a mazda, for instance, unless its from my city, so..... the APA would have to negotiate at the same dealer as me?

[Acuratl]

What can i get off an 2009 accord base?

[codyuk]

What can i get off an 2009 accord base?

Yeah I have been thinking of that too. Anybody???

[amd9394]

i am interested in 2008/2009 accord coupe base model.
any info on that?

Thanks

[CorsairMan]

i am interested in 2008/2009 accord coupe base model.
any info on that?

Thanks

I am not sure of the price but if you are interested in paying anything less than MSRP, I suggest you don't go to civic motors. My wife and I went there last weekend to buy a civic and they didn't seem to want to come down at all. We lost patience and went to ottawa honda. They gave her the price she was after. But it took some 40 minutes of dealerspeak.

[Acuratl]

I am not sure of the price but if you are interested in paying anything less than MSRP, I suggest you don't go to civic motors. My wife and I went there last weekend to buy a civic and they didn't seem to want to come down at all. We lost patience and went to ottawa honda. They gave her the price she was after. But it took some 40 minutes of dealerspeak.

i understand where you're coming from, T and T honda here is giving us a hard time, gave us a mediocre price on a trade and only went 300 below the 1500 rebate on a civic sport..now we're looking at the accord base, ill get a few quotes and post them here :)

[zebrabek]

I am also interested in the 2009 Honda Accord Base model.

The following is the CarCost Report

2009 Honda Accord Sedan 4dr I4 Man LX
Retail Price * Wholesale Price**
Base $25,090.00 $23,208.00
Freight $1,410.00 $1,410.00
Optional equipment selected
- FEDERAL AIR CONDITIONING EXCISE TAX (-EXTAX) $100.00 $100.00
Totals including all items above $26,600.00 $24,718.00


So the invoice price is $24,718.00. On Honda Ontario's website, there is a Promotion (http://www.hondaontario.com/specialoffers/395-get_cash_incentives_up_to_$3500_on_select_accord_m .html) that says there is an additional cash discount of $3500 on this car. So the price should look like $24718 - $3500 + dealer profit + tax. For dealer profit we can put $400 to $500. Final price should be like $24428. Is this price acheivable for a base 2009 Honda Accord.

[twotonetommy]

zebrabek

The discount that Honda are pushing is up to $3500 which applies to V6 Accords. The accord you are looking at has a $2000 cash discount incentive.

Check out this site for all of the incentives offered:

http://www.carquotes.ca/rebates/honda.html

Not sure how they get $1,770 but round it up to the nearest $500 denomination which makes it $2000 off.

[mxz600]

you have to add tax to the rebate.

[twistedspoon]

I was told a couple of weeks ago that the 2009 Accord LX Manual has $0 cash incentive. I guess the link provided by twotonetommy confirms it.

[avx]

Thanks for the link! Doesn't CAA have a similar service? The negotiated price is definitely enticing. I hate talking to car salespeople - even the best ones seems slimy... so the less contact I have with them the better!

http://www.apa.ca

The best $70 you'll spend if you're serious about buying a vehicle.

"A member quote includes dealer invoice, the APA negotiated mark up over invoice, incentives and a referral to a dealer or a broker who guarantees to sell or lease you the vehicle at the pre-negotiated price. Membership includes 5 quotes"

[ssun2]

Using CAA membership can save 10$ on Car Cost Canada.

Thanks for the link! Doesn't CAA have a similar service? The negotiated price is definitely enticing. I hate talking to car salespeople - even the best ones seems slimy... so the less contact I have with them the better!

[MrDisco]

Thanks for the link! Doesn't CAA have a similar service? The negotiated price is definitely enticing. I hate talking to car salespeople - even the best ones seems slimy... so the less contact I have with them the better!

as far as i know the only two places which have negotiated prices are the APA and CarHelpCanada. I've only used the APA and I'm more than happy with their service.

Note though that with Honda they don't allow their dealers to work with such organizations. You will be directed to a car broker to make the purchase should you choose to go through the APA. Of course you can always take the information and use the knowledge to bargain effectively with the dealer of your choice. Eliminate the hassle of haggling and get right to the point with their sales manager.

[Keithsindiapaleale]

Going into the dealership tomorrow, can anyone give me an invoice price on an 09 Element 2WD?

[ferkel]

http://consumeraffairs.com/automotive/honda_transmission.html

[futureconcept]

I read the whole thread and didn't find much (any) info on the Accord.

My dad got a quote for a 2009 Accord EX-L sedan for $33,060. Any feedback on this price?

Yesterday, I got a quote for $27,900 (EX-L, 2.4, Automatic) plus taxes ($100+ PST/GST)

[nike]

zebrabek

The discount that Honda are pushing is up to $3500 which applies to V6 Accords. The accord you are looking at has a $2000 cash discount incentive.

Check out this site for all of the incentives offered:

http://www.carquotes.ca/rebates/honda.html

Not sure how they get $1,770 but round it up to the nearest $500 denomination which makes it $2000 off.

Are these the most accurate Cash Rebate Incentives?

on Honda.ca is still $4000 for the models that i'm looking at Odyssey or Pilot.
http://www.hondaontario.com/specialoffers/

As a matter of fact as of this Tuesday it was still $4000 rebate for the Odyssey/Pilot..

hmm.. if CarQuotes.ca is accurate then this is a sign that Honda is lowering the cash rebate..? :confused:

any thoughts..?

[emjay]

Carcostcanada.com memberships are very worth it. You get all the information for 5 vehicles (unlimited trim and option combos) for $40. $30 with a CAA membership. Obviously, it's only worth it if you're serious about buying a new vehicle.

It gives you not just all the info you need regarding factory incentives, but also the dealer's wholesale price. Very valuable information when haggling with a dealer. And when the incentives or prices are updated, you get an email informing you.

[chow77]

Looking to cash purchase an 09' Civic Si, I'm located in the GTA...anyone recently purchase one? A dealer in Mississauga offered me:

MSRP= 26,680.00
Cash incentive= - 1,500.00
25,180.00
Fr,PDE, Handlings= + 1,559.00
Tax= 13 %
Total Price = 30,215.07

I want to get some opinions before I make the move

thanks

[tnguyen41]

Looking to cash purchase an 09' Civic Si, I'm located in the GTA...anyone recently purchase one? A dealer in Mississauga offered me:

MSRP= 26,680.00
Cash incentive= - 1,500.00
25,180.00
Fr,PDE, Handlings= + 1,559.00
Tax= 13 %
Total Price = 30,215.07

I want to get some opinions before I make the move

thanks

Nope not good deal. The 1500 is a honda incentive... basically they offered you no dealer incentive. I just nego'd and additional 900 off a civic DX-G, in addition to the 1500 off cash deal. On the si... I'd imagine you can get at least 1500 off in addition to 1500 cash deal. Why not get accord coupe for that price?

[Downtown]

Looking to cash purchase an 09' Civic Si, I'm located in the GTA...anyone recently purchase one? A dealer in Mississauga offered me:

MSRP= 26,680.00
Cash incentive= - 1,500.00
25,180.00
Fr,PDE, Handlings= + 1,559.00
Tax= 13 %
Total Price = 30,215.07

I want to get some opinions before I make the move

thanks

Since when is a Honda cash incentive pre-tax?

[G-Unit!!]

Since when is a Honda cash incentive pre-tax?

I've got mine pre-tax and I think that's true for everyone here who's got a Honda in the past couple of months. All the discounts (cash incentive + dealer's discount) are before tax.

[madman604]

should be pre tax. BTW where's the dealer discount? IE: where you haggle the hell out of him and get him to throw in floor mats and paint protection and such?
;)

[ferkel]

Yesterday, I got a quote for $27,900 (EX-L, 2.4, Automatic) plus taxes ($100+ PST/GST)

Must be FWD model.

[superwell]

Must be FWD model.

i don't think the ex-l comes in 2wd.

to the poster where did you get a ex-l for $27.XXX

[unclekiko99]

i don't think the ex-l comes in 2wd.

to the poster where did you get a ex-l for $27.XXX

I think he is referring to the Accord and not a CR-V

[newbieparadise]

Yesterday, I got a quote for $27,900 (EX-L, 2.4, Automatic) plus taxes ($100+ PST/GST)

does that include pdi & freight?

[HP_John]

thanks John, so do you think the 4000 cash rebate will continue for the month of march, april etc? will it be increased or decreased? what do you think?
I am not in hurry to buy a new car, ( I have a running car I like, it just doesnot have A/C, etc) but this honda CR-V EX-L with Navi is definately a good deal, however if the car prices will go down even more I can still wait..

We have no idea beforehand if the programs will be changed. For now, it is good until March 3 I believe (I'm at my home computer). I had a situation where the cash deal program was $7000 off the Element, then it changed to $4000. I had to call my potential customers & tell them it had been reduced. They had waited hoping it would get even better. I'm a firm believer that you gotta jump on a great deal while you can, because if you keep holding out, you may hold out until it gets worse.

[HP_John]

Called my salesman today at Honda and asked "whats the 3-400 dollar mark up from the internet price on the CRV im looking at? He said its admin and tire warranty.

I asked how much is the tire warranty? he said 200$! WTF!

I could buy a new tire for that. So I said, "tires only last 2 to 3 years, depending on use" so after that the warranty is over.

"do I need to pay for the warranty if i don't want it?" he said YES!

OMG, the way your treated when your shopping in a Monopoly market like I live in. Every Dealer seems to have these cash grabs to line there pockets.

Do I have a right to refuse the warranty and save myself 200 dollars?

That's pretty ridiculous for them to be charging you admin fee & tire warranty. It is wrong for these dealers to automatically charge for stuff & try to pass it off as standard mandatory things. We don't have any form of admin fee, other than a legitimate $5 OMVIC fee. VIN etching is another thing that many dealers try to pass off as mandatory, IMO, it is just another form of admin fee but with different wording.

I've heard of stories of places selling rustproofing to people who are leasing & whom have no intention of buying out the car at lease end. It is incredibly frustrating to hear things like that, it's that kind of thing that gives our industry a bad reputation

[Boodie]

I think it's amazing deal.

You dont happen to work for Honda?

[longdong]

You dont happen to work for Honda?

no I'm not.

[tnguyen41]

After the deal I got for my ody.... brought a friend in, he bought a 2009 Civic DX-A for 19533 on the road. This was with the 1500 cash incentive and an additional 900 off from the dealer, total of 2400 off... not bad. What are other guys getting on their civics?

[Acuratl]

After the deal I got for my ody.... brought a friend in, he bought a 2009 Civic DX-A for 19533 on the road. This was with the 1500 cash incentive and an additional 900 off from the dealer, total of 2400 off... not bad. What are other guys getting on their civics?

sounds about right, one dealer gave me 350 off after factory discount on a civic sport-A, another dealer 700..looking to get atleast a 1,000

[Keithsindiapaleale]

Was in the dealer last weekend looking for an Element, they offered $10,000 off of MSRP on leftover 2008 models. For example, a 2008 Element EX AWD (MSRP $33k and change) for $23k and change. Freight/pdi is included in price, only other cost is a tire charge ($290 I think) and tax (of course). . I confirmed this from multiple dealerships in my area.
I must again state that this figure was what they offered, I had not entered into any type of negotiation.
Any thoughts...

[boomiec]

After the deal I got for my ody.... brought a friend in, he bought a 2009 Civic DX-A for 19533 on the road. This was with the 1500 cash incentive and an additional 900 off from the dealer, total of 2400 off... not bad. What are other guys getting on their civics?

hey thanks for the info...what model is the dx-a?

i cant find it on the website anywheres


thanks

[fng303]

KeithsindiapalealeWas in the dealer last weekend looking for an Element, they offered $10,000 off of MSRP on leftover 2008 models. For example, a 2008 Element EX AWD (MSRP $33k and change) for $23k and change. Freight/pdi is included in price, only other cost is a tire charge ($290 I think) and tax (of course). . I confirmed this from multiple dealerships in my area.
I must again state that this figure was what they offered, I had not entered into any type of negotiation.
Any thoughts...

I would say jump on it.
Do you have the offer on paper ? If so, please PM a copy.
I was offered $23k before freight and taxes. $27k final. Same model + year.

[samm]

hey thanks for the info...what model is the dx-a?

i cant find it on the website anywheres


thanks

he means dx with air conditioning

[GoogleFish]

Was in the dealer last weekend looking for an Element, they offered $10,000 off of MSRP on leftover 2008 models. For example, a 2008 Element EX AWD (MSRP $33k and change) for $23k and change. Freight/pdi is included in price, only other cost is a tire charge ($290 I think) and tax (of course). . I confirmed this from multiple dealerships in my area.
I must again state that this figure was what they offered, I had not entered into any type of negotiation.
Any thoughts...


Which dealer was this? Didn't know there were any 2008's left.

[Keithsindiapaleale]

Keithsindiapaleale

I would say jump on it.
Do you have the offer on paper ? If so, please PM a copy.
I was offered $23k before freight and taxes. $27k final. Same model + year.
Sorry, I dont have it on paper. I was told that there was $8k honda incentive and $2k dealer. When I phoned a dealership in Moncton to inquire if they had any 2008 leftovers. I was told only one, a Black LX with a bunch of added accessories, I was told it had an MSRP of approx $31k and was told that they had a "sweet deal' for it, $21k. So that being said, I am not so sure you need it on paper.

Which dealer was this? Didn't know there were any 2008's left.

You may have to do some leg work on this one, there were 3 or 4 left in Atlantic Canada.

[charge]

I'm not saying that's a bad deal, but sales & leasing consultants shouldn't be telling people that's the best they could do unless it really is, otherwise they're just lying to you.

:lol:
Thanks for the laugh....


Q: How do you know a car salesman is lying to you?

A: His lips are moving.


;)

[i_stone07]

does anyone know the whole sale price for Oddyssey LX or EX, sienna CE/LE?
appreciate!!!

[Drew_W]

does anyone know the whole sale price for Oddyssey LX or EX, sienna CE/LE?
appreciate!!!

APA and CCC do!

[MichaelKnight]

Anyone think there will be further reductions on '09? I was looking at an '08 Accord Coupe because of the reductions but there aren't many left.

[jjzzbb]

local dealer quoted me $33500 OTD cash deal for 09 Accord EX-L sedan. any thought about the price? I think there is still some room to negotiate but how much is a fair deal for both sides?

[pradaman1999]

AWD is a GAS GUZZLER and I regret buying an AWD RAV4...sucks gas...horrrible....Hence the discount!!!

[Acuratl]

so i think i'll wait until March and see what their discounts our, i'm sure worst come they will honour the feb rebates.

[billybee]

Went into the 2 dealers on Carling in Ottawa and both could not give more than $6K ($4K from factory) off a 2009 AWD CRV EX or LX. There does not seem to be any '08 left.

[BooR4dL3y]

Not sure how AWD on a RAV4 works, but on the CRV it only comes on when it's needed. The CRV is pretty much a front wheel drive vehicle. If the front wheels aren't moving the car then the rear wheels come on. That's how I understand how the CRV AWD works. It's either power to the front wheels or power to the rear.

I've got an older CRV (1999) and could never really tell if the AWD is working or not. Since we had some snow this winter; I got my brother to take a look from the outside and see if my back wheels start spinning if my fronts are slipping; but he said he couldn't tell (I'm not sure he was looking hard enough).

AWD is a GAS GUZZLER and I regret buying an AWD RAV4...sucks gas...horrrible....Hence the discount!!!

[mxz600]

AWD doesn't mean GAS GUZZLER, but it does burn slightly more gas, depending on which make model and tech you go with. My truck burns almost twice the gas in 4WD than it do in RWD. I am not sure if the same is true for the new cute utes when they are in AWD mode.

The AWD cuts in and out, so i guess the MPG ratings are done with the assumption that the AWD will only be in for select short times, or maybe not at all.... maybe just the weight alone is why the MPG is higher for these models. Maybe when they are in 4 they suck gas like a truck does.

The Rav4 can be locked in 4WD, so that would be easy to test out, the CRV would need to be tested say going up hill on a slippery slope to keep it in AWD full time.

The ford Escape and Mazda Tribute (same vehicle) has AWD that puts 75% to the front wheels, and 25% to the rear wheels all day long, all summer long, and splits 50/50% when it detects slip. That turned me off, because that means, more friction, more wear, more maintenance, more gas.

We done fine with a FWD car for 4 years, I can't see why a CUV can't do the same in FWD. Its not like anybody takes these "SPORT UTILITY Vehicles" off road.

Sure AWD is nice when the snow is falling and the roads are bad, but thats why we see 4WD Trucks and AWD SUV's in the ditch upside down, because they think that because the 4 wheels are spinning that they need to drive faster than the cars.

4 wheel drive is only good for starting off, maybe a little helpful when at speed (thats why the CRV cuts out its AWD system at 80km/hr), but does nothing for helping you stop, if anything the added AWD or 4WD delays stopping power because of the extra weight.

my 2 cents.....

[Nanodollars]

Went into the 2 dealers on Carling in Ottawa and both could not give more than $6K ($4K from factory) off a 2009 AWD CRV EX or LX. There does not seem to be any '08 left.

Did you see any 08 Elements in Ottawa. Interested to see if they would go for the 10k discount.

[ferkel]

AWD is a GAS GUZZLER and I regret buying an AWD RAV4...sucks gas...horrrible....Hence the discount!!!

Yes.. the 09 CR-v only has a 55litre tank, but i'm getting 14.5l/100km. Not even close to the specified milage .

[badass]

AWD is a GAS GUZZLER and I regret buying an AWD RAV4...sucks gas...horrrible....Hence the discount!!!

My Rav4 sucks as much gas as my 2003 Sentra about 400km per tank full now in HWY I get about 700km per tank full. According to salesperson, the AWD kicks in and out as already mentioned but only below 40km and on turns. AWD could be locked but will released over 40km.

Now my Corolla hit 500km per tank.

[betasharp]

After the deal I got for my ody.... brought a friend in, he bought a 2009 Civic DX-A for 19533 on the road. This was with the 1500 cash incentive and an additional 900 off from the dealer, total of 2400 off... not bad. What are other guys getting on their civics?

Sorry for the useless/silly question but just to clarify, the cash incentive only applies to full cash purchase right? No financing or leasing?

[Acuratl]

Sorry for the useless/silly question but just to clarify, the cash incentive only applies to full cash purchase right? No financing or leasing?

correct, money is very very valuable lately.

[kemin]

I'm planning to buy Honda Pilot. any good deal for reference? shall I buy now or wait? Thanks

[steve-0101]

I'm planning to buy Honda Pilot. any good deal for reference? shall I buy now or wait? Thanks

Have you considered an MDX instead? With the current incentives, they're almost the same price. However, those incentives end March 2 (Monday).

I was also looking at a Pilot but ended up picking up an MDX on Tuesday.

[Acuratl]

Have you considered an MDX instead? With the current incentives, they're almost the same price. However, those incentives end March 2 (Monday).

I was also looking at a Pilot but ended up picking up an MDX on Tuesday.


could be extended you never know, MDX is definately a better ride (leather etc.) bare in mind it takes prem gas

[miss_swan]

Don't think the MDX seats 8 compared to the Pilot?

That's one area where the Pilot has the MDX beat for sure (iirc).

[George W. Bush]

Sweet rabais! Spanks!

[AMDFerrari]

local dealer quoted me $33500 OTD cash deal for 09 Accord EX-L sedan. any thought about the price? I think there is still some room to negotiate but how much is a fair deal for both sides?

I posted a similar question, if you read the thread.

I got 33,060 on the road, someone else got 27,900 plus taxes

[steve-0101]

Don't think the MDX seats 8 compared to the Pilot?

That's one area where the Pilot has the MDX beat for sure (iirc).

The MDX seats 7. It has a third row like the Pilot but is only equipped (seat belts) for 2 passengers.

I believe they're built on the same chassis. Someone can correct me if I'm wrong.

[furballz]

mdx is nicer than the pilot but less cargo space even though both can seat 7psgr

[hondanation09]

Pilot 2009 EXL $44800 OTD

[shammy]

Not sure how AWD on a RAV4 works, but on the CRV it only comes on when it's needed.

The Rav4 and CRV are 4 Wheel Drive (4WD) not All Wheel Drive (AWD) vehicles. Meaning that 4 wheel drive kicks in when needed, unless you turn on 4 wheel drive all the time.

AWD is a GAS GUZZLER and I regret buying an AWD RAV4...sucks gas...horrrible....Hence the discount!!!

I wouldn't call it a gass guzzler but Yes it will use more gas then conventional 2 wheel drive. More moving parts and heavier parts are needed to make the 4WD system. If you do a lot of stop and go especially in traffic than you would be using much more gas.

[RFD_acct]

Pilot 2009 EXL $44800 OTD


A friend just picked up the same vehicle in the US, came to C$38k cash...

Alot more deals coming as the Depression sets in.

[Albertan]

The Rav4 and CRV are 4 Wheel Drive (4WD) not All Wheel Drive (AWD) vehicles. Meaning that 4 wheel drive kicks in when needed, unless you turn on 4 wheel drive all the time.


:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

Man, if this forum knew anything about cars, you would be hung

THE MENTIONED SOFT-ROADERS ARE AWD NOT 4WD

4WD means that they have a TRANSFER CASE (that's okay, google it, you'll learn) and the AWD systems use a TRANSAXLE to transfer power the rear wheels (FWD system with a RWD output, really).

[a in yul]

:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

Man, if this forum knew anything about cars, you would be hung

THE MENTIONED SOFT-ROADERS ARE AWD NOT 4WD

4WD means that they have a TRANSFER CASE (that's okay, google it, you'll learn) and the AWD systems use a TRANSAXLE to transfer power the rear wheels (FWD system with a RWD output, really).

ok, thanks for the info, what sbetter in your opinion, mileage, warranty, mechanical, power, etc etc..?

i will google it but your input and opinion will be appreciated too!!

[emjay]

:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

Man, if this forum knew anything about cars, you would be hung

THE MENTIONED SOFT-ROADERS ARE AWD NOT 4WD

4WD means that they have a TRANSFER CASE (that's okay, google it, you'll learn) and the AWD systems use a TRANSAXLE to transfer power the rear wheels (FWD system with a RWD output, really).

Not exactly correct. The distinction between 4WD and AWD changes even depending on which manufacturer you ask. But I know that, for the Rav4 at least, it's considered "full-time 4WD" and I'm pretty sure it has a transfer case.

[Danno2005]

The ford Escape and Mazda Tribute (same vehicle) has AWD that puts 75% to the front wheels, and 25% to the rear wheels all day long, all summer long, and splits 50/50% when it detects slip. That turned me off, because that means, more friction, more wear, more maintenance, more gas.


my 2 cents.....

You need to do more research on the Ford systems. The drive to the rear wheels is zero unless slip is detected.

See this post.

http://www.escape-central.com/1forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=33675

[Acuratl]

any word on the new discounts, they come out today. anybody want to call a dealer?

[mxz600]

any word on the new discounts, they come out today. anybody want to call a dealer?

according to www.carquotes.ca the incentives are on until march 6th, then new ones come out... the incentives are on the bottome of the home page. But like I posted before, I don't know how accurate they are, they screwed up 2 of the 3 reports i paid for!!!

[Acuratl]

according to www.carquotes.ca the incentives are on until march 6th, then new ones come out... the incentives are on the bottome of the home page. But like I posted before, I don't know how accurate they are, they screwed up 2 of the 3 reports i paid for!!!


yea im not paying them, few dealers i called told me incentives are changing today..will keep you posted, few dealers gave me 2009 civic coupe LX for 21,000 OTD here in Alberta

[Si-Guy]

can someone post some real life fuel consumption ratings for the 2007,2008,2009 CRV? 2wd or 4wd? Seems like the posted ones for the MRSP is a total joke!

its cool that you guys have the onboard display mileage calculator that tells you how many _kms/100Ls.

i'm getting around 12-13L/100km on a 2004 crv in winter - seems like it DRINKS!

thanks - yah - any help would be appreciated.

[ivica5683]

Does anyone know the March rebates/discounts on the Acura's.

I was told by the local acura dealership that March 2nd would see a restructuring of the rebates on the MDX and TSX.

Thank you

[newbieparadise]

I am also curious about the acura rebates, come on $10000 cash rebate for tsx and csx!!!

[ivica5683]

Does anyone have the latest pricing/discounts for the MDX or TSX. I was told that the pricing for March would be changing and would be available at the beginning of March.
I'm South Western Ontario, Waterloo.

[ferkel]

Honda just released the sales figures for FEB 2009. Down 47%
We're headed for a major depression... even Obama says there's nothing he can do now.

[Pilleh]

i searched the thread and couldnt find anything on where i can purchase honda parts other than the stealerships. any ideas?:D

[Acuratl]

Honda just released the sales figures for FEB 2009. Down 47%
We're headed for a major depression... even Obama says there's nothing he can do now.

hell yea, i just wish somebody would call and get the rates, my dealerships closed right now :P

[ssun2]

Just checked Carcostcanada, it is the same $4000 discount for Odyssey.
Expired till March 31.

[nepean19]

I have a 2009 crv ex and it gets about 600km per tank. The tank size is 58l, so i guess I'm getting about 10L/100km. I have no idea how anyone can get 7.3l/100. My car is brand new, maybe it will improve a bit, but I am still very happy, my Murano was at 12.5L and more per 100km.

By the way if you are looking for a really good deal on a crv lease try ottawa honda, the sales manager was awesome. I am paying around $325 + tax for a 48 month lease with just over $2700 due on delivery. Nobody came even close to that price for a 2009 2wd ex.

[Nanodollars]

I have a 2009 crv ex and it gets about 600km per tank. The tank size is 58l, so i guess I'm getting about 10L/100km. I have no idea how anyone can get 7.3l/100. My car is brand new, maybe it will improve a bit, but I am still very happy, my Murano was at 12.5L and more per 100km.

By the way if you are looking for a really good deal on a crv lease try ottawa honda, the sales manager was awesome. I am paying around $325 + tax for a 48 month lease with just over $2700 due on delivery. Nobody came even close to that price for a 2009 2wd ex.

10L/100 is pretty good considering the cold temps and snow we have been having in Ottawa. Look for that to improve in the spring.

If you could post particulars such as final sale price, interest rate etc., that would be great. You could also PM me.....

In the market (in Ottawa) for a CR-V and am still on the fence on when to jump in!

Thanks!

[vipt2000]

I have a 2009 crv ex and it gets about 600km per tank. The tank size is 58l, so i guess I'm getting about 10L/100km. I have no idea how anyone can get 7.3l/100. My car is brand new, maybe it will improve a bit, but I am still very happy, my Murano was at 12.5L and more per 100km.

By the way if you are looking for a really good deal on a crv lease try ottawa honda, the sales manager was awesome. I am paying around $325 + tax for a 48 month lease with just over $2700 due on delivery. Nobody came even close to that price for a 2009 2wd ex.

what is your buy back value for the car after the lease is over?

[yavuzmc]

any word on the new discounts, they come out today. anybody want to call a dealer?


Just checked CCC, they updated the rebates system and it shows 4000 for CRV till 31st 2009, I guess the same rebates are extented

[nepean19]

Checked my paperwork.

330/month + tax
buyback $14,400
lease rate 3.9%

Hope this helps.

[bly]

I didn't want to start a new thread but GM is offering a $4000 cash discount on the Cobalt SS.

http://www.gm.ca/gm/english/vehicles/chevrolet/cobalt/offers-and-allowances

MSRP 25,445 less 4,000

New price 21,445 and that amount is still negotiable. I think GM also offers a grad rebate for cash purchases.

http://www.gm.ca/gm/english/corporate/offers/student-bonus-program/overview#guide

I don't see a cash incentive offer or grad rebate offer for the Civic SI.

[nepean19]

nice deal, but uggggly car

[Acuratl]

I didn't want to start a new thread but GM is offering a $4000 cash discount on the Cobalt SS.

http://www.gm.ca/gm/english/vehicles/chevrolet/cobalt/offers-and-allowances

MSRP 25,445 less 4,000

New price 21,445 and that amount is still negotiable. I think GM also offers a grad rebate for cash purchases.

http://www.gm.ca/gm/english/corporate/offers/student-bonus-program/overview#guide

I don't see a cash incentive offer or grad rebate offer for the Civic SI.

no grad rebate on civics, but i think SI has 3500 cash rebate, look at resale too, honda's have MUCH MUCH better resale than any american car.

[kool1]

I didn't want to start a new thread but GM is offering a $4000 cash discount on the Cobalt SS.

http://www.gm.ca/gm/english/vehicles/chevrolet/cobalt/offers-and-allowances

MSRP 25,445 less 4,000

New price 21,445 and that amount is still negotiable. I think GM also offers a grad rebate for cash purchases.

http://www.gm.ca/gm/english/corporate/offers/student-bonus-program/overview#guide

I don't see a cash incentive offer or grad rebate offer for the Civic SI.

Could prob get it for $20K. The SS is a fast little car, very impressive.

[kool1]

I see Honda Canada sales down 42%.

Deals may still get better!

[vipt2000]

Checked my paperwork.

330/month + tax
buyback $14,400
lease rate 3.9%

Hope this helps.

Thank you for sharing. So let me see if I can summarize/calculate your deal:

down: 2,700
total payments: 17,899 (330 * 1.13 * 48)
buyback: 14,400
Total cost: 34,999

It is for $35,000 OTR including everything for 2009 crv ex automatic. Your monthly lease payment (at 3.9%) including tax is $373
Is it 2WD or 4WD?

I don't know if it is good deal or not but the low monthly payment is certainly the selling point.

[nepean19]

it's a 2wd. I didn't really want a 4wd to be honest. the cheapest quote I had before going to ottawa honda was 375 + tax. So i"m pretty happy.

[ferkel]

I see Honda Canada sales down 42%.

Deals may still get better!

Quite the opposite. Car Production is being slowed down, so prices will rise come the spring. Simple economics.

[G-Unit!!]

Quite the opposite. Car Production is being slowed down, so prices will rise come the spring. Simple economics.

Agreed.

[yavuzmc]

Agreed. I don't think so, if they try to increase their prices, lower priced brands will increase their market shares. the economic crises will be worse in a few months, I don't think they will be able to sell what they have produced or producing.

[freewheel]

Quite the opposite. Car Production is being slowed down, so prices will rise come the spring. Simple economics.

That is assuming the demand for vehicles is the same. Seems as though each month demand falls even further!

[Danno2005]

Honda was singled out by Desrosiers as having prices too high for the realities of today and tomorrow. They best pay attention IMHO.

[jtonge]

Quite the opposite. Car Production is being slowed down, so prices will rise come the spring. Simple economics.

I think you have to take a look at their inventory levels first. Has Honda released these? I hear that they came late in to the game in terms of reducing production.

Furthermore, Honda has not cut msrp's like Toyota and the rest of the competition. Honda's have in effect become overpriced even when the economy has done well - putting them in to 'premium' territory. Why not since they are a premium product in terms of quality and performance relative to the competitors. Unfortunately in a recession, most people opt out of 'premium' products as one way to save money. Honda may want to consider being more aggressive with msrp's in order to combat this trend. Even with discounts, they are still much more expensive than their competitors.

[Acuratl]

I think you have to take a look at their inventory levels first. Has Honda released these? I hear that they came late in to the game in terms of reducing production.

Furthermore, Honda has not cut msrp's like Toyota and the rest of the competition. Honda's have in effect become overpriced even when the economy has done well - putting them in to 'premium' territory. Why not since they are a premium product in terms of quality and performance relative to the competitors. Unfortunately in a recession, most people opt out of 'premium' products as one way to save money. Honda may want to consider being more aggressive with msrp's in order to combat this trend. Even with discounts, they are still much more expensive than their competitors.

i woulden't say they are much more expensive, compare for example the corolla to the civic, crv to rav4 accord to camry there are differences of maybe 3-5%, and with the incentives the honda's turn out to be cheaper.

I agree what honda needs to do is cut production and shrink the msrp a little maybe to meet toyota prices, right now they have excess inventory and the time to buy is now IMHO

[usernameowner]

Anyone still know if this offer is available around Vancouver, Richmond, or Burnaby? My parents are looking to buy a new car as our old corolla is like 10 yrs old already. we are looking at getting a CRV as "us" the kids are getting older, we prefer a rooomier car

if u have any information on where i can still get this deal please post here or PM me and tell me where i can go to get it thank you. Im in VANCOUVER by the way, but going to richmond and burnaby is no prob

thank you

[Acuratl]

just as a heads up there is now a 1000 loyalty program for honda. If you own a honda they give you 1000 off the civic auto, 1500 off a manual this is in addition to the cash rebate if you go cash

[shammy]

Not exactly correct. The distinction between 4WD and AWD changes even depending on which manufacturer you ask. But I know that, for the Rav4 at least, it's considered "full-time 4WD" and I'm pretty sure it has a transfer case.

You are absolutely right, 4WD and AWD are differently named by manufacturers.

And I'm certain the CRV has a transfer case. And it is a 4WD or as Honda calls it Real Time 4WD. Like I said, 2WD, power is transferred to the other two when needed.

:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

Man, if this forum knew anything about cars, you would be hung

THE MENTIONED SOFT-ROADERS ARE AWD NOT 4WD

4WD means that they have a TRANSFER CASE (that's okay, google it, you'll learn) and the AWD systems use a TRANSAXLE to transfer power the rear wheels (FWD system with a RWD output, really).

I'm glad you know what a transfer case is :rolleyes: But I was making reference to the Honda CRV and Toyota RAV4. Maybe you should listen to your own advice and google CRV and Rav4 :lol::lol::lol:

[Acuratl]

Is this nationwide? Has it been published or is this just some dealers?

confirmed for dealers in calgary, should be nationwide just not advertised right now.

[RASHID007]

just as a heads up there is now a 1000 loyalty program for honda. If you own a honda they give you 1000 off the civic auto, 1500 off a manual this is in addition to the cash rebate if you go cash

Is it just off the Civic? Or all models?

[Acuratl]

Is it just off the Civic? Or all models?

should be other models too, wouldent imagine why it'd only be the civic..

right now i am trying to get a cash price of 21K OTD for 09 civic coupe, auto, LX wish me luck :)

[RASHID007]

Good luck.

FYI - My local dealer said the loyalty program is only on Civic and Fit.

should be other models too, wouldent imagine why it'd only be the civic..

right now i am trying to get a cash price of 21K OTD for 09 civic coupe, auto, LX wish me luck :)

[Acuratl]

Good luck.

FYI - My local dealer said the loyalty program is only on Civic and Fit.

managed to get 21800 OTD with tint :P gluck to all

[twotonetommy]

Acuratl...

Can you give us the breakdown on the car. Not sure what province you live in(tax rate) but if you can give us the price minus taxes, it would be much appreciated.

What were the dealer discounts and how much off cost?

Thanks

[Acuratl]

Acuratl...

Can you give us the breakdown on the car. Not sure what province you live in(tax rate) but if you can give us the price minus taxes, it would be much appreciated.

What were the dealer discounts and how much off cost?

Thanks

ayo, im in alberta so only 5% tax here..breakdown is as roughly followed

26,000 MSRP for vehicle, incl tint, taxes, freight

1500 cash incentive from honda

1000 loyalty from honda (doesent matter if you finance/cash/lease you get this) if you own a honda (we have an odyssey right now)

that leaves about 1700 from the dealer, which is close to all of his markup, but i'm not sure if he did something with the freight, i don't have exact numbers right now, i just left a deposit over the phone..

[Dahero]

ayo, im in alberta so only 5% tax here..breakdown is as roughly followed

26,000 MSRP for vehicle, incl tint, taxes, freight

1500 cash incentive from honda

1000 loyalty from honda (doesent matter if you finance/cash/lease you get this) if you own a honda (we have an odyssey right now)

that leaves about 1700 from the dealer, which is close to all of his markup, but i'm not sure if he did something with the freight, i don't have exact numbers right now, i just left a deposit over the phone..

Hey Acuratl,

Which Dealership did you go to?

Did you have a trade in? (I am assuming no, but I am just clarifying)

My buddy in Calgary is looking at a 2009 civic LX, same as yours but in Manual. He his eligible for the 1500 and 1000 rebates, but I think he is getting it for 21500 out the door. And his is manual so it should be cheaper. He is trading in his old civic though which will slightly limit is negotiating power. Give a little more here or there, you know.

Any information would help. Also if you can PM the sales guy information so I can pass it on.

Did you get winter mats? or any other "freebies" thrown in?

Thanks

[Acuratl]

Hey Acuratl,

Which Dealership did you go to?

Did you have a trade in? (I am assuming no, but I am just clarifying)

My buddy in Calgary is looking at a 2009 civic LX, same as yours but in Manual. He his eligible for the 1500 and 1000 rebates, but I think he is getting it for 21500 out the door. And his is manual so it should be cheaper. He is trading in his old civic though which will slightly limit is negotiating power. Give a little more here or there, you know.

Any information would help. Also if you can PM the sales guy information so I can pass it on.

Did you get winter mats? or any other "freebies" thrown in?

Thanks

tint was thrown in, winter mats i almost got outta the guy but no go. Your buddy should be getting 1500 +1500 ( you get another 500 if you're buying a manual) im also getting a coupe so..

I will get you the guys info once i get the car, and then ill let my guy let your guy know he's coming. Your buddy should be getting around 20,000 out the door if he gets the same deal as me :P

[k-man25]

acuratl... pls hook up the info... I'm in Calgary as well and that is a great deal, let us know which dealer... Im looking at the Civic or the Fit...anyone have discount history on the Fit?

$1,700 off from the dealer seems a bit high, isnt the mark-up around $1,600?

[kuba]

Discount history on the Fit?
That car is selling like hotcakes, no discounts for that baby, good luck.

[k-man25]

Discount history on the Fit?
That car is selling like hotcakes, no discounts for that baby, good luck.

hotcakes, are you kidding me? maybe initially in sept when gas prices were sky high... they are including the fit on the $1,000 loyalty rebate, if that doesnt make it clear they are having some trouble selling them im not sure what does.

The car isnt the problem, its a great car, honda isnt providing any rates on them... why would someone buy at 7.2% financing when everything else is 0-1.9%... either way that doesnt affect me since I will purchase in cash.

My local dealer has litterally 60 Fits sitting there since Dec and they stock to this date is consistantly high.....lol They almost have as many Fits on the lot as they do Civic's and Civc's are much higher volume sellers. The dealer is offering a cash discount right off the bat without even negotiating....;)

[MichaelKnight]

I think there are still some 2008's out there with 3k + 1K incentive if you're interested and perhaps there will be more flexibility in negotiating the markup. I don't see any motive for a dealer to sell to you at invoice. There isn't that much markup on a civic. I'm no expert but perhaps the recession will affect the prices of vehicles in the form of incentives from the manufacturer, but the dealer still needs a profit.

I've had several emails bounce back as 'undeliverable' from sales personnel I had correspondence with in the last couple months. That can't be a good sign.

[Acuratl]

I think there are still some 2008's out there with 3k + 1K incentive if you're interested and perhaps there will be more flexibility in negotiating the markup. I don't see any motive for a dealer to sell to you at invoice. There isn't that much markup on a civic. I'm no expert but perhaps the recession will affect the prices of vehicles in the form of incentives from the manufacturer, but the dealer still needs a profit.

I've had several emails bounce back as 'undeliverable' from sales personnel I had correspondence with in the last couple months. That can't be a good sign.

as i said i got my LX coupe auto for 21,800 OTD here in calgary, a few offers of similar prices from dealers for 2008's without negotiation, i got a 2009 though. Im sure 2008s can be had for like 19,000 OTD which is okay

[sixer]

Still overpriced

[trinity]

CRV LX 4WD - $30,000 OTR

Includes: (prices quoted for the accessories)
After market heated seats - $500
Tinted windows - $399
Cargo shelf - $280

Is this a good deal?

[Acuratl]

CRV LX 4WD - $30,000 OTR

Includes: (prices quoted for the accessories)
After market heated seats - $500
Tinted windows - $399
Cargo shelf - $280

Is this a good deal?

decent deal, im assuming financing?

[trinity]

decent deal, im assuming financing?

No, it's cash.

[steve-0101]

I am looking to buy a Honda Civic DX-G Auto Sedan this month in the GTA.

The invoice price according to Car Cost Canada is $19,232.

The way I look at it, the invoice price out the door is as follows:

$19,232 (Invoice)
+$1,310 (Freight)
-$1,500 (Honda Incentive)
-$1,000 (Loyalty Incentive)
= $18,042 (Sub Total Before Taxes)
+$2,346 (13% GST and PST)
= $20,388 (On the road after all taxes)

Has anyone been able to get a Civic at invoice price recently? Given the current recession and the -41% sales drop at Honda last month, I don't think it is reasonable to pay the dealer 3% above invoice. What is the best anyone has done? Any recommended dealers?

Why don't you think it's reasonable to pay 3% over invoice? We're talking $600 here. How do you think the dealer makes the money to pay staff and utilities, etc? Honda is not hurting enough to give these things away.

FYI if the Honda loyalty incentive is the same as the Acura one, then it's applied after taxes - so bump up your final estimate by $130.

[wmahmud]

Are there any hot deals on Acuras these days? Are there alot of 08 TL's sitting around or TL Type S ?

Anybody looked around?

[FroogleDude]

Oh man, I just brought a 08 CRV Jan 5th, do you think I can still get the rebate?

It's not going to kill you to go and ask. Were talking a few grand here. http://**************/img/1856/y08m1110mhmd/2.gif

[Acuratl]

It's not going to kill you to go and ask. Were talking a few grand here. http://**************/img/1856/y08m1110mhmd/2.gif

def won't hurt to ask, but i'll put my money on no, if so try to get some accessory or something from the dealer.

[adamu]

Checked my paperwork.

330/month + tax
buyback $14,400
lease rate 3.9%

Hope this helps.


what was your down payment? or was there any?

[spyhero]

Why don't you think it's reasonable to pay 3% over invoice? We're talking $600 here. How do you think the dealer makes the money to pay staff and utilities, etc? Honda is not hurting enough to give these things away.

FYI if the Honda loyalty incentive is the same as the Acura one, then it's applied after taxes - so bump up your final estimate by $130.

Don't forget about dealer holdback. According to this link, Honda has a 2% dealer holdback. In addition, Honda may also give dealers additonal monthly or quarterly bonus should they reach a certain number of vehicles sold. Therefore, it is possible to get it for the invoice.

http://www.edmunds.com/advice/incentives/holdback/index.html

[G-Unit!!]

CRV LX 4WD - $30,000 OTR

Includes: (prices quoted for the accessories)
After market heated seats - $500
Tinted windows - $399
Cargo shelf - $280

Is this a good deal?

I got quoted 28.8k last month, w/o any of these options. I guess the price is fair IF you need these accessories.

[jtonge]

Has anyone been able to get a Civic at invoice price recently? Given the current recession and the -41% sales drop at Honda last month, I don't think it is reasonable to pay the dealer 3% above invoice. What is the best anyone has done? Any recommended dealers?


I don't mean to be a real estate agent about this, but I think Honda's sales in February 2008 were almost twice the 4 year monthly average. They had the $0 down, $199 month civic promotion last winter. So that accounts for why Honda's sales are down 41% this year.

[alwayslookingforadeal]

friend of mine and his parents just ordered 1 last week,

mrsp was $35190, less $4,000 incentive or whatever you want to call it, plus they also negotiated an additional $2500 price reduction because they were paying cash.

however when the dealer wrote up the sales contract, they backed out almost $800 in gst&pst for a net reduction of$5700 instead of the $6500. The sales guy didn't walk them through the sales contract line by line. After they signed my friend kept asking about why it was only $5700 and not $6500. He was just told "don't worry the numbers all work out, it's on the paper"

My friend came by with the contract today and we crunched the numbers and figured out this nice little scam. They went back today to complain about it and basically got the big "fu"

At no time did the sales agent tell them the rebates/reductions were net of taxes and it seems pretty shady to me. The first thing they were told when they walked in was the $4k rebate.

I don't know....this might be the standard way of doing these price reductions, but in my opinion it's a sneaky way to make a sale. They should be more upfront about it.

[CRXguy]

just as a heads up there is now a 1000 loyalty program for honda. If you own a honda they give you 1000 off the civic auto, 1500 off a manual this is in addition to the cash rebate if you go cash

What if I bought a used Honda second hand years ago?

I have a '91 Honda CRX Si that I bought back in November 2000. Sorry for the newbie question.

[k-man25]

What if I bought a used Honda second hand years ago?

I have a '91 Honda CRX Si that I bought back in November 2000. Sorry for the newbie question.

I looked it up on carcostcanada.com

"The Loyalty Dollars Offer/Factory to Consumer Incentives applies to deliveries between February 27, 2009 and June 1, 2009. This offer is available to all current Honda Customers and individuals living in the same household purchasing or leasing a new 2008 or 2009 Honda Civic or Fit. This offer can be combined with any other available factory incentive and is applied to the after tax amount. Please consult your dealer for further details."

I assume, since it says "all", as long as its a Honda, it should not matter what year and if you are the 1st or 21st owner of the car...:lol:

[tor_forsale]

Its good to see here people are spending money and buying cars.

something +ve to read about automobile these days

i also bought my new sienna last month

:cheesygri

[yavuzmc]

friend of mine and his parents just ordered 1 last week,.... do you know the name of the sales guy?

[wmahmud]

I am interested in a 2008 Acura TL With Skirt and Spoiler at a Dealership - it has 12900KM and is a Demo so never owned

They are asking 33999 but I am trying to get to 30,000 but they are barely budging

I don't see $4000 being unrealistic to get off

What do you guys think? Any other reccomendations to something else?

I would be financing at 5 years and their rate is 5.45% right now

[yavuzmc]

I am interested in a 2008 Acura TL With Skirt and Spoiler at a Dealership - it has 12900KM and is a Demo so never owned

They are asking 33999 but I am trying to get to 30,000 but they are barely budging

I don't see $4000 being unrealistic to get off

What do you guys think? Any other reccomendations to something else?

I would be financing at 5 years and their rate is 5.45% right now
12900 km is too high for a demo, basically it is a 1 year old, used car, and the warranty already started, check vmrcanada.com to see if there is a price for this car

[nepean19]

I paid 2700 on delivery.

[Vertigo]

as i said i got my LX coupe auto for 21,800 OTD here in calgary, a few offers of similar prices from dealers for 2008's without negotiation, i got a 2009 though. Im sure 2008s can be had for like 19,000 OTD which is okay

I'll be picking up my 2008 LX SR Coupe Auto later this week. Just a hair over 19,000 before freight/taxes. I don't qualify for the $1k or any other incentives, but I think I made out fairly well regardless. Could've been a hot deal if there was a Honda in the family. >.<

Can't believe they still have 2008 models kicking around. Was originally looking for a 2009 Fit or 2009 DX-G, but hey. Since the price was right, why not.

[Acuratl]

I'll be picking up my 2008 LX SR Coupe Auto later this week. Just a hair over 19,000 before freight/taxes. I don't qualify for the $1k or any other incentives, but I think I made out fairly well regardless. Could've been a hot deal if there was a Honda in the family. >.<

Can't believe they still have 2008 models kicking around. Was originally looking for a 2009 Fit or 2009 DX-G, but hey. Since the price was right, why not.

decent man, like i said i got pretty lucky with the promotions and etc.., we'll swap pics once i get mine tomorrow :), and yes many dealers had 2008's when i called..

[Acuratl]

Got my ride, it's sick!

all those wanting to get a sick deal on the hondas in calgary

call Todd king from Okotoks honda

403-399-1769

tell him Shariq senta ya!

[HP_John]

friend of mine and his parents just ordered 1 last week,

mrsp was $35190, less $4,000 incentive or whatever you want to call it, plus they also negotiated an additional $2500 price reduction because they were paying cash.

however when the dealer wrote up the sales contract, they backed out almost $800 in gst&pst for a net reduction of$5700 instead of the $6500. The sales guy didn't walk them through the sales contract line by line. After they signed my friend kept asking about why it was only $5700 and not $6500. He was just told "don't worry the numbers all work out, it's on the paper"

My friend came by with the contract today and we crunched the numbers and figured out this nice little scam. They went back today to complain about it and basically got the big "fu"

At no time did the sales agent tell them the rebates/reductions were net of taxes and it seems pretty shady to me. The first thing they were told when they walked in was the $4k rebate.

I don't know....this might be the standard way of doing these price reductions, but in my opinion it's a sneaky way to make a sale. They should be more upfront about it.

This is disgusting. There is a $4000 cash deal credit on that car that is supposed to be applied before taxes (real total value in Ontario is $4000 + 13% taxes = $4520). That sales guy should've explained to them that it was $6500 total, not $6500 before taxes.

[cccccory]

Honda was singled out by Desrosiers as having prices too high for the realities of today and tomorrow. They best pay attention IMHO.

“The industry itself is growing and will continue
to grow and is therefore not in crisis.” Dennis
DesRosiers, National Post, March 28, 2007.

“These cuts will be temporary… Expect
continued softness in the auto sector for a year
or two but don’t expect a free fall.” Dennis
DesRosiers, note to clients, Aug. 30, 2007.

“I struggle to see a current crisis in the auto
sector.” Dennis DesRosiers, Canadian
Business, April 14, 2008.

“There’s no crisis in the auto industry.” Dennis
DesRosiers, Toronto Sun, May 18, 2008.

This man hasn't a clue. How he still has a job is beyond me.

[Danno2005]

“The industry itself is growing and will continue
to grow and is therefore not in crisis.” Dennis
DesRosiers, National Post, March 28, 2007.

“These cuts will be temporary… Expect
continued softness in the auto sector for a year
or two but don’t expect a free fall.” Dennis
DesRosiers, note to clients, Aug. 30, 2007.

“I struggle to see a current crisis in the auto
sector.” Dennis DesRosiers, Canadian
Business, April 14, 2008.

“There’s no crisis in the auto industry.” Dennis
DesRosiers, Toronto Sun, May 18, 2008.

This man hasn't a clue. How he still has a job is beyond me.

99% of the people who commented on the economy the past year could be called clueless - look at Waren Buffet losing mega billions. Obama shredded McCain for saying the base economy was strong, and the Big O kept saying U.S. is in crisis and now he says (through spokesperson) that the economy is sound.
http://apnews.myway.com/article/20090315/D96ULF580.html

I can find examples all .. day .. long.

It is still a valid point that Honda's list prices won't fly in today's economy. Proof is in the current discounts by Honda.

[82]

But Toyota price is not a lot better...

99% of the people who commented on the economy the past year could be called clueless - look at Waren Buffet losing mega billions. Obama shredded McCain for saying the base economy was strong, and the Big O kept saying U.S. is in crisis and now he says (through spokesperson) that the economy is sound.
http://apnews.myway.com/article/20090315/D96ULF580.html

I can find examples all .. day .. long.

It is still a valid point that Honda's list prices won't fly in today's economy. Proof is in the current discounts by Honda.

[Danno2005]

But Toyota price is not a lot better...

There are discounts on Toyotas available - it is just that they are not advertised. My brother is shopping for one right now and has told me dealers are willing to discount more than the usual $500.
He is seeing $1,500 - $2,500 on the Camry depending on model.

As always, YMMV.

[82]

so which one has better deal? I found their prices are very close...

09 Camry 23k, 2010 Carmy 25k but include VCS and Traction control.

[par1000]

My honest opinion about Honda. I will never buy them. In the summer they are a great car but in the winter..... sorry I will not be caught dead with one of them.

So buy GM, and save a job.

P.S. I don't or nor do any of my family members work at GM. But they have better incentives and better cards than Honda.

[vazilioz]

I would go with the 2010 Camry if you can afford to spend the extra 2K.
The Chevy malibu is also a very good car and there is probably good deals right now, but not a good buy if it's to resell.

[golden]

My honest opinion about Honda. I will never buy them. In the summer they are a great car but in the winter..... sorry I will not be caught dead with one of them.

So buy GM, and save a job.

P.S. I don't or nor do any of my family members work at GM. But they have better incentives and better cards than Honda.

They maybe better "cards" than Honda but they don't produce better cars than Honda. GM in the winter is better than Honda? What's your reason? Maybe you're comparing a 4WD GM truck with a Honda with summer tires?

[Danno2005]

so which one has better deal? I found their prices are very close...

09 Camry 23k, 2010 Carmy 25k but include VCS and Traction control.

I would go for the 2010 - it has been refreshed for 2010 and as you noted some extra safety equipment.

[Seifer]

Nevermind

[cookiemunster]

Does anyone know of a website for Canadians similar to Edmunds townhall where people post the price they actually paid?

[simsin]

Does anyone know of a website for Canadians similar to Edmunds townhall where people post the price they actually paid?

Yea im also interested in such a site... would help negotiation quite a bit! :cheesygri

[newbieparadise]

Yea im also interested in such a site... would help negotiation quite a bit! :cheesygri

y not just start up a thread or website for that if it doesnt exist already?

hurry up government budget, give me tax break on a new car!!! aaaaaa

[wmahmud]

Anybody know the cash incentives on the 2009 Honda Accord's right now??

No Financing deals at all right now!!! :(

[alwayslookingforadeal]

Anybody know the cash incentives on the 2009 Honda Accord's right now??

No Financing deals at all right now!!! :(

just a warning again about how they play with the taxes on the cash incentives, they will try to net your discount after tax...re: my earlier post.

[Frugal_in_Halifax]

Does anyone know of a website for Canadians similar to Edmunds townhall where people post the price they actually paid?

CanadianDriver Forum:
How much did you pay for your new car? Official pricing thread. (http://www.canadiandriver.com/forum/index.php/topic,47328.0.html)

The thread has lost some steam over the last year... but if you post what you've been quoted on a new car the members can provide good advice on negotiating... it's like RFD for Cars! Lots of smart people who know their stuff about cars.

[wmahmud]

Are dealers allowed to advertise the price WITH the cash incentive already included?

I found a Honda Accord at Owen Sound Honda and the guy told me the cash incentive is already included in their cash price displayed on the car and in the ad.

[twotonetommy]

Honda incentives including Accords can be found here.

http://www.carquotes.ca/rebates/honda.html

This site does not capture all discounts (ie. $1000 loyalty program) but gives you an idea.

[Dahero]

Went to Honda yesterday as a friend of mine is looking to buy an accord coupe. She currently has an accord lease and it goes back at the end of this month.

The amount owing on the lease is about 1900 (1500 body + 400 excess km)

The car she was interested in was the 2009 Honda Accord Coupe EX-L Auto.

Base was 33,155 (not including tax), and they were giving it to her for about 1750 off MRSP $31,405 (not including tax).

Plus they were giving her the 0.9% financing. Now here is the catch. The salesman said he could probably wipe another 500 or so off the amount owing on the lease after he talks to Honda Canada. I personally didn't think that is enough. But she has to forward him the lease assessment so he can look it over first before he lets her know.

So my question is, if he does wipe out the 1900, then is the accord worth buying at 31,405 or should further negotiations be in place. I would automatically say further negotiations are needed but with the lease return I am not sure. I have never leased or negotiated a lease return, so I am hoping you guys would help me out.

Thanks

[silentio]

oh nm

[Acuratl]

Went to Honda yesterday as a friend of mine is looking to buy an accord coupe. She currently has an accord lease and it goes back at the end of this month.

The amount owing on the lease is about 1900 (1500 body + 400 excess km)

The car she was interested in was the 2009 Honda Accord Coupe EX-L Auto.

Base was 33,155 (not including tax), and they were giving it to her for about 1750 off MRSP $31,405 (not including tax).

Plus they were giving her the 0.9% financing. Now here is the catch. The salesman said he could probably wipe another 500 or so off the amount owing on the lease after he talks to Honda Canada. I personally didn't think that is enough. But she has to forward him the lease assessment so he can look it over first before he lets her know.

So my question is, if he does wipe out the 1900, then is the accord worth buying at 31,405 or should further negotiations be in place. I would automatically say further negotiations are needed but with the lease return I am not sure. I have never leased or negotiated a lease return, so I am hoping you guys would help me out.

Thanks


There have been several class action lawsuits against Honda for overreporting mileage so you are entitled to 5% ontop of what is on the odometer. That may help. Now, if somehow your friend can do cash she can easily get another 4-5,000 off the car.

[RASHID007]

Honda just lowered financing rates to 0.9% on most vehicles for 36 months and some up to 60 months.

[ivica5683]

Not sure if this is of any help for anyone looking at Acura's but there is quite a bit of useful information for Canadian prices on acurazine;

http://tsx.acurazine.com/forums/showthread.php?t=715677

I was looking at CRV's and possibly the TSX, It's tough to get any good information from the ACURA sales here in Kitchener. Acura sales at least the couple I've dealt with are arrogant to no end.
I will be putting an email together and sending to acura dealers in the Toronto area to see if I better price can be had.
Here is up-to-date dealer cost info from carcostcanada.com (2009 models w/automatic transmission) which may help you negotiate a better deal:

base - MSRP $34,200 / dealer cost $31,464
premium - MSRP $37,500 / dealer cost $34,500
tech - MSRP $40,300 / dealer cost $37,076

Note; Other members have been able to get their TSX's at slightly above dealer cost. So don't hesitate to ask if you stick to it you can save big.

cheers

[GadgetShopper]

Not sure if this is of any help for anyone looking at Acura's but there is quite a bit of useful information for Canadian prices on acurazine;

http://tsx.acurazine.com/forums/showthread.php?t=715677

I was looking at CRV's and possibly the TSX, It's tough to get any good information from the ACURA sales here in Kitchener. Acura sales at least the couple I've dealt with are arrogant to no end.
I will be putting an email together and sending to acura dealers in the Toronto area to see if I better price can be had.
Here is up-to-date dealer cost info from carcostcanada.com (2009 models w/automatic transmission) which may help you negotiate a better deal:

base - MSRP $34,200 / dealer cost $31,464
premium - MSRP $37,500 / dealer cost $34,500
tech - MSRP $40,300 / dealer cost $37,076

Note; Other members have been able to get their TSX's at slightly above dealer cost. So don't hesitate to ask if you stick to it you can save big.

cheers

Thanks for the info.

[97ansari]

For the civic EXL 4dr

MSRP $24, 680 60month at 0.9% financing
Discount $1327
Payments $478.13/month

Salesperson is suggesting that 7% of the MSRP equals her profit plus my discount which is $1727
they are offering $1327 in discount which equals for them $400 profit
so the price per month is $478.13/month. This also not including the $1000 I would get off for Loyalty (already having a Honda). I would assume that would bring me monthly charges down another $20 approximately so $458/month?

Honda Accord 4cyl EXL

0.9% finance for 60 months $0down

MSRP $31, 090
Discount $1831
Payments $598.34/month
(they are saying in this scenario 7.5% of the MSRP equals their profit and my potential discount)

How much lower do you think I can get these guys? are these good deals?

[jjboy]

Not sure if this is of any help for anyone looking at Acura's but there is quite a bit of useful information for Canadian prices on acurazine;

http://tsx.acurazine.com/forums/showthread.php?t=715677

I was looking at CRV's and possibly the TSX, It's tough to get any good information from the ACURA sales here in Kitchener. Acura sales at least the couple I've dealt with are arrogant to no end.
I will be putting an email together and sending to acura dealers in the Toronto area to see if I better price can be had.
Here is up-to-date dealer cost info from carcostcanada.com (2009 models w/automatic transmission) which may help you negotiate a better deal:

base - MSRP $34,200 / dealer cost $31,464
premium - MSRP $37,500 / dealer cost $34,500
tech - MSRP $40,300 / dealer cost $37,076

Note; Other members have been able to get their TSX's at slightly above dealer cost. So don't hesitate to ask if you stick to it you can save big.

cheers
Lovely to do business with RFDers - offering a few hundred above the dealer invoice price

[jjboy]

There have been several class action lawsuits against Honda for overreporting mileage so you are entitled to 5% ontop of what is on the odometer. That may help. Now, if somehow your friend can do cash she can easily get another 4-5,000 off the car.

4-5k?
and why would they sell at a huge loss?

[aesop]

Not sure if anyone has mentioned this but there is a difference in what you pay for insurance on these two cars. So you may want to get an insurance quote for both to see what it cost.

My wife has the accord. And her brother has the civic at the end of the month the brother in law pays more few his civic after insurance
Since Subcompacts cost More to insure.

For the civic EXL 4dr

MSRP $24, 680 60month at 0.9% financing
Discount $1327
Payments $478.13/month

Salesperson is suggesting that 7% of the MSRP equals her profit plus my discount which is $1727
they are offering $1327 in discount which equals for them $400 profit
so the price per month is $478.13/month. This also not including the $1000 I would get off for Loyalty (already having a Honda). I would assume that would bring me monthly charges down another $20 approximately so $458/month?

Honda Accord 4cyl EXL

0.9% finance for 60 months $0down

MSRP $31, 090
Discount $1831
Payments $598.34/month
(they are saying in this scenario 7.5% of the MSRP equals their profit and my potential discount)

How much lower do you think I can get these guys? are these good deals?

[Acuratl]

4-5k?
and why would they sell at a huge loss?

by giving 0.9% interest vs. cash they're already taking a huge loss.

[ivica5683]

Lovely to do business with RFDers - offering a few hundred above the dealer invoice price


Well, I don't feel bad at all about that, the Canadian dealers include bogus charges such as $1000 for automatic transmisstions, $1725 pdi. In the USA automatic transmission at no extra charge and PDI at $700. That's why Canadian Acura dealers are crooks.

[Swarez99]

Well, I don't feel bad at all about that, the Canadian dealers include bogus charges such as $1000 for automatic transmisstions, $1725 pdi. In the USA automatic transmission at no extra charge and PDI at $700. That's why Canadian Acura dealers are crooks.

In the US they actually Charge $800 for Auto, but 675 for Freight (at least for a civic), so the Auto not free, they always cost more.
But no excuse now days for freight to be more on a car in Canada that was built in Canada, I don't even think they have PDI down there.

[ivica5683]

In the US they actually Charge $800 for Auto, but 675 for Freight (at least for a civic), so the Auto not free, they always cost more.
But no excuse now days for freight to be more on a car in Canada that was built in Canada, I don't even think they have PDI down there.


I priced acura's in the USA (Prime Acura North) and there is no additional charge for Auto. Again this was for a TSX last summer, things may have changed.

[Sailor-man]

Anyone want to guess what I could pick up a 2009 CIVIC Sport for with a 2006 trade (LX w/Auto w/70k clean) with the 0.9% financing in Toronto GTA.

Has anyone done a deal like this. What's the most I can hope for off the MSRP with the 0.9% and what's the trade worth. Any new or used car in-the-knows out there. :confused:

[mickdg]

Anyone want to guess what I could pick up a 2009 CIVIC Sport for with a 2006 trade (LX w/Auto w/70k clean) with the 0.9% financing in Toronto GTA.

Has anyone done a deal like this. What's the most I can hope for off the MSRP with the 0.9% and what's the trade worth. Any new or used car in-the-knows out there. :confused:

Step 1: Get a carcostcanada membership, $40 to save you (and friends/family down the road) thousands.
Step 2: Read curbuyingtips.com, and use their spreadsheet.

*** try the process out at a few dealers to refine before taking it to where you want to buy

[Sailor-man]

That's great but was hoping to get some information on some deals that have actually been negotiated recently vs. doing all the research myself.

Dealer is offering to start a $1k loyalty rebate and 0.9% financing. Assume I can do better than that. Have no idea what a good trade in price is for a 2006 Civic LX w/auto and 70k. Black book has the price around $10k but they always seem to quote high.

Has anyone done a deal on a 2009 Civic recently and taken advantage of rebate and low interest financing.

Is $1500 off the MSRP and $10k for the trade a good deal or should I be looking for more (or less)? :confused:

[killbillvol1]

Why buy from the most crooked and controlling of all manufacturers? Until these *******s apologise to everyone who tried to import in the last two years I say boycott these ****tards.

[z613]

I think you can get more for your 2006. I just bought an 09 Civic DXA, and got $3700.00 Trade for a 97 CRV with 200,000km. I got a total of $5000. off including the trade and rebate, and also got Free Window Tint ($400.00). I could have probably gotten another $500-$1000. off, but my trade in is a piece of crap and I got the deal I went in looking for! You cant go wrong with 0.9% over 60 months or 1.9% over 72!



That's great but was hoping to get some information on some deals that have actually been negotiated recently vs. doing all the research myself.

Dealer is offering to start a $1k loyalty rebate and 0.9% financing. Assume I can do better than that. Have no idea what a good trade in price is for a 2006 Civic LX w/auto and 70k. Black book has the price around $10k but they always seem to quote high.

Has anyone done a deal on a 2009 Civic recently and taken advantage of rebate and low interest financing.

Is $1500 off the MSRP and $10k for the trade a good deal or should I be looking for more (or less)? :confused:

[tailcone]

Just purchased a Civic with Sport Trim and automatic transmission for $25300 (taxes in). Also managed to get $1000 of free Honda accessoires. This deal was negoticated in the Montreal area.
Forgot to mention the price included the $1000
Honda fidelity rebate.
All of this with 0.9 financing for 60 months. Wow couldn't turn down such a great deal.

[ultra_man99]

Hey guys,

I was looking for an accord and the dealership offered over the phone $28850 for the 4 cylinder EX-L Navi version.

This would be $34000 est with taxes and pdi.

What do you guys think? I think I would be able to get another $1000 or so off this price as well.

[Dahero]

Hey guys,

I was looking for an accord and the dealership offered over the phone $28850 for the 4 cylinder EX-L Navi version.

This would be $34000 est with taxes and pdi.

What do you guys think? I think I would be able to get another $1000 or so off this price as well.

Is that a coupe?
Auto or Manual?

Where in the GTA?

[ultra_man99]

Its a sedan,

Auto

And in GVR

[HP_John]

Hey guys,

I was looking for an accord and the dealership offered over the phone $28850 for the 4 cylinder EX-L Navi version.

This would be $34000 est with taxes and pdi.

What do you guys think? I think I would be able to get another $1000 or so off this price as well.

I don't know about the GVA but the standard practice for Honda dealers in the GTA is too only give MSRP quotes over the phone. Of course they are flexible on pricing but they only do so in person, not over the phone. It is very rare that a sales person for Honda in the GTA will give a price other than MSRP over the phone. Most sales people will get in trouble for giving out discounted prices over the phone, it appears this sales person has gone above & beyond for you, in that he's not looking to play games but is readily giving you a great price. It looks like the price he is giving you is about $250 over cost if my calculations are correct, you should jump on that.

You could spend another 10 hrs of your time trying to get another $50 off & being dicked around by sales staff at multiple dealerships, or just buy it off this guy who didn't play games with you & just gave you a great price without haggling.

[HP_John]

BTW guys, I no longer work in sales at Honda, but last week, my former dealership sold more in that 1 week than they did in all of Februrary. With the ridiculously low interest rates Honda has right now, combined with the big discounts off MSRP representing close to invoice costs, I wouldn't wait. I believe the March sales figures will show a turn around for Honda (though the 1st 2 weeks in March were very slow), in which case discounts off MSRP may actually get worse as they see their sales numbers improve.

[gucci17]

Does anyone know what the April incentives/rebates are?

[smit]

I have the car cost reports for CRV, Civic, & Fit. Finance & Lease rates look unchanged, $1500 still there on Civic (plus Loyalty), $4,000 on CRV has dropped to $3,000. Just Loyalty dollars on the Fit (and rates).

[longdong]

New deal from Honda:

http://www.hondaontario.com/specialoffers/

It's down comparing to January and February (1k less incentive than february, and alot less than january)

[nike]

In addition to the decrease in cash rebates, it looks like the Base Price also increased. For the 09 Odyssey EX-L, it went up to $41,090. Yikes! :eek:


----------------------------------------------------------------
09 EX-L Oddy

Basic vehicle= 40590
Manufacturer discount = - 4000
Total = 36590

Dealer discount = -2700
Total sale price = 33890

[ferkel]

I have the car cost reports for CRV, Civic, & Fit. Finance & Lease rates look unchanged, $1500 still there on Civic (plus Loyalty), $4,000 on CRV has dropped to $3,000. Just Loyalty dollars on the Fit (and rates).

The best cash/purchase initatives were exactly a year ago.

[newbieparadise]

hmm the V6 accord coupe is around an extra 1k too when counting inflated base price and incentive. I guess i can wait then, no rush for me...
or look at other companies.

I was gonna go buy one too, during easter when i had more time.

[crazybear]

Any guess for Honda discount for the rest of the year?

Better / worse?

or Wait for Year-end Oct/Nov period?

[Acuratl]

Any guess for Honda discount for the rest of the year?

Better / worse?

or Wait for Year-end Oct/Nov period?

i would wait, since rebates have gone down..wait till they go up

[gucci17]

wow...I think I waited too long :confused:

[Dylanc0709]

I live in Alberta and do not have a dealership where I live, so have been talking to someone in Edmonton about purchasing a Honda Civic EXL 5-speed. This is the quote I got e-mailed to me, I'll include the majority of it:



Here is a breakdown of the pricing for the 2009 Honda Civic EX-L Sedan;

MSRP: $ 25,400.00
Your Price: $ 24,995.00 + taxes

Now this price includes your freight and PDI, Block Heater, Front/Rear Splash Guards, Locking wheel locks, and full tank of gas on delivery. So the only additional charges to the price would be your 5% GST and their is $100 air tax and a $20 tire levy as well which get charged on every new vehicle.
I also spoke with my manager about the life time oil changes, and he had mentioned that we can also include those for you for free.



Now 2 questions. From what I've read here I could probably get more off this price, just curious how much? As well how much can I expect to be added on at the end of this for costs I won't be told about til I'm going to sign.

Any information would be great, looking at picking this up next week, will be financing at 0.9% for 60 months, 0 down. Not interested in cash purchase.

[happy4uall]

wow...I think I waited too long :confused:

I'll wait....Don't worry $ in your pocket & mine. :lol:

[happy4uall]

i would wait, since rebates have gone down..wait till they go up

+1

[Acuratl]

I live in Alberta and do not have a dealership where I live, so have been talking to someone in Edmonton about purchasing a Honda Civic EXL 5-speed. This is the quote I got e-mailed to me, I'll include the majority of it:



Here is a breakdown of the pricing for the 2009 Honda Civic EX-L Sedan;

MSRP: $ 25,400.00
Your Price: $ 24,995.00 + taxes

Now this price includes your freight and PDI, Block Heater, Front/Rear Splash Guards, Locking wheel locks, and full tank of gas on delivery. So the only additional charges to the price would be your 5% GST and their is $100 air tax and a $20 tire levy as well which get charged on every new vehicle.
I also spoke with my manager about the life time oil changes, and he had mentioned that we can also include those for you for free.



Now 2 questions. From what I've read here I could probably get more off this price, just curious how much? As well how much can I expect to be added on at the end of this for costs I won't be told about til I'm going to sign.

Any information would be great, looking at picking this up next week, will be financing at 0.9% for 60 months, 0 down. Not interested in cash purchase.


lol only 400 off MSRP is ****, i got 1500 off my LX dude, check out okotoks honda in Calgary, i posted info of the dealer further up in the thread.

Got my 2009 LX coupe for 21800 OTD with tint, cash deal.

[scouzer]

lol only 400 off MSRP is ****, i got 1500 off my LX dude, check out okotoks honda in Calgary, i posted info of the dealer further up in the thread.

Got my 2009 LX coupe for 21800 OTD with tint, cash deal.

he's getting more than $400 off MSRP as they're including wheel locks and block heater.

[Acuratl]

he's getting more than $400 off MSRP as they're including wheel locks and block heater.

90% of dealers are including this from the get go so did mine, 400 off is honestly pre-recession discount, aim for 1000-1500 shop around.

[Dylanc0709]

he's getting more than $400 off MSRP as they're including wheel locks and block heater.

No, the MSRP he listed is the website price plus the price for block heater, mats, wheel locks and block heater.

So right now it is just $400 off and free oil changes, I assume I could get that every 6 months or 8k km? But didn't really ask for certain.

What sort of counter offer should I be making? And this is my first new car I'm buying, so don't know about undercoating, rust proofing and whatever else I can expect to pay, if anyone can tell me that.

[rubluv]

Total price $24600 (incl. tax and every thing) includes:

- alloy wheel locking
- block heat
- muds
- cargo tray
- aw mats
- 4way protection package (rust/paint/undercoating/fabric)
- 3M hood and mirrors
- 5 year 100K Powertrain and 3 year 60K comprehensive warranty

I think I got all $2500 discount (1500 from honda and 1000 incentive) from the dealer.

Do you think this is a good deal?

[Drew_W]

1500 from honda and 1000 incentive


Which one is which? There's a dealer discount and a factory incentive.

[Dylanc0709]

Total price $24600 (incl. tax and every thing) includes:

- alloy wheel locking
- block heat
- muds
- cargo tray
- aw mats
- 4way protection package (rust/paint/undercoating/fabric)
- 3M hood and mirrors
- 5 year 100K Powertrain and 3 year 60K comprehensive warranty

I think I got all $2500 discount (1500 from honda and 1000 incentive) from the dealer.

Do you think this is a good deal?

Was the 1500 from the cash purchase and 1000 from previously owning a Honda?

[z613]

I don't think the deals from Honda will get any better than this. They have already dropped Cash incentives from 6k, to 4k, to 3k on the CRV. I can't see the interest rates lasting until the end of the year. Honda rarely offers 0.9%. Same with the loyalty discount!

I just bought an 09 DXA, and am quite happy with it!

[tmkf_patryk]

wow lots are jumping on this...
sad to say i am not even interested in honda crap
drove a crv, wow was it ever bad, new one too, such a weak SUV

and the fact that the civic is used by everyone around town especially ricers - poor people who think they are in a race car, its just sad.
i will be interested in honda once they make a nice car, havent seen any in last decade

since dodge came out with challenger, chev with camaro, and ford remade their mustang, i hope to see honda trying to get in, lets see what kind of car they can come up with instead of all this crap civics, accords, crv etc *yawn*


also, this is not hot, if you bought it last year when dollar was up and could convert and buy when america was in recession already, woulda saved money.
and the 1000$ in car goodies? useless, also they install and charge high labour.
if i were thinkin of buying, id ask them if 1000 can get me a carb or a bigger engine

[Albertan]

wow lots are jumping on this...
sad to say i am not even interested in honda crap
drove a crv, wow was it ever bad, new one too, such a weak SUV

and the fact that the civic is used by everyone around town especially ricers - poor people who think they are in a race car, its just sad.
i will be interested in honda once they make a nice car, havent seen any in last decade

since dodge came out with challenger, chev with camaro, and ford remade their mustang, i hope to see honda trying to get in, lets see what kind of car they can come up with instead of all this crap civics, accords, crv etc *yawn*


also, this is not hot, if you bought it last year when dollar was up and could convert and buy when america was in recession already, woulda saved money.
and the 1000$ in car goodies? useless, also they install and charge high labour.
if i were thinkin of buying, id ask them if 1000 can get me a carb or a bigger engine

:lol: :lol: :lol: You're a huuuge hill-billy!

A carb?? Why don't you get a confederate flag on your roof too...

[tmkf_patryk]

reason for a carb - makes the car ez to fix
hell if the car doesnt start and you checked the battery, its usually spark plugs, so u wait a few hours and start and go, you dont gotta worry about that electronic comp, and anything else

confederate flag? nah bro, instead of that just get a blower for the 383 stroker :D

i am ashamed of what kind of cars most people drive today, and now when tata motors come into play you get the mother ****ing ugly nano, with a whopping 35 horsepower.

now on the other hand if u do not want a carb and like to go to mechanics to fix the car, tell them that 1000 in goodies (usually equates to 500 in goodies, 500 in labour cost cuz they HAVE TO install) tell them to give you a bigger engine

instead of putting the engine you have in (gotta be worth atleast 2 grand i hope), i know for 4500 you can get a 350 with 500 horse, or 383 with 400+hp, or anything similar.

hell, make it a sleeper car

[ivica5683]

reason for a carb - makes the car ez to fix
hell if the car doesnt start and you checked the battery, its usually spark plugs, so u wait a few hours and start and go, you dont gotta worry about that electronic comp, and anything else

confederate flag? nah bro, instead of that just get a blower for the 383 stroker :D

i am ashamed of what kind of cars most people drive today, and now when tata motors come into play you get the mother ****ing ugly nano, with a whopping 35 horsepower.

now on the other hand if u do not want a carb and like to go to mechanics to fix the car, tell them that 1000 in goodies (usually equates to 500 in goodies, 500 in labour cost cuz they HAVE TO install) tell them to give you a bigger engine

instead of putting the engine you have in (gotta be worth atleast 2 grand i hope), i know for 4500 you can get a 350 with 500 horse, or 383 with 400+hp, or anything similar.

hell, make it a sleeper car


Clueless!!!!!!!!!!!

[scouzer]

reason for a carb - makes the car ez to fix
hell if the car doesnt start and you checked the battery, its usually spark plugs, so u wait a few hours and start and go, you dont gotta worry about that electronic comp, and anything else

confederate flag? nah bro, instead of that just get a blower for the 383 stroker :D

i am ashamed of what kind of cars most people drive today, and now when tata motors come into play you get the mother ****ing ugly nano, with a whopping 35 horsepower.

now on the other hand if u do not want a carb and like to go to mechanics to fix the car, tell them that 1000 in goodies (usually equates to 500 in goodies, 500 in labour cost cuz they HAVE TO install) tell them to give you a bigger engine

instead of putting the engine you have in (gotta be worth atleast 2 grand i hope), i know for 4500 you can get a 350 with 500 horse, or 383 with 400+hp, or anything similar.

hell, make it a sleeper car

extremely clueless. embarrassed you're from Edmonton, you give us all a bad name

[ottofly]

wow lots are jumping on this...
sad to say i am not even interested in honda crap
drove a crv, wow was it ever bad, new one too, such a weak SUV

and the fact that the civic is used by everyone around town especially ricers - poor people who think they are in a race car, its just sad.
i will be interested in honda once they make a nice car, havent seen any in last decade

since dodge came out with challenger, chev with camaro, and ford remade their mustang, i hope to see honda trying to get in, lets see what kind of car they can come up with instead of all this crap civics, accords, crv etc *yawn*


also, this is not hot, if you bought it last year when dollar was up and could convert and buy when america was in recession already, woulda saved money.
and the 1000$ in car goodies? useless, also they install and charge high labour.
if i were thinkin of buying, id ask them if 1000 can get me a carb or a bigger engine


Bro! Looks like you've been in a coma since the 70's and have just woken up so let me summarize what you've missed. The new horsepower is MPG. Race cars, Camaros, Mustangs, Challengers are no longer affordable for the average folk. That was the 70's and 80's when fuel and insurance rates were reasonable. People buy a Honda because it won't break the bank to buy, is cheap to operate, RARELY breaks down and is still worth something even after 10 years.

As for Honda not making anything exciting in the last decade, I thought the Prelude, NSX, Integra type R and S2000 were pretty exciting. Excitement now is MPG not 500 horsepower. The Insight will be a huge winner when it's released in Canada this year. Stop being an idiot and get with the program. You sound like you're 18 years old. We'd all love to drive Corvettes and SRT Challengers but after a reality check, it's off to the local Honda store for most people, myself included.

[FordPLG]

+1

+1, as well

[uahmed]

Bro! Looks like you've been in a coma since the 70's and have just woken up so let me summarize what you've missed. The new horsepower is MPG. Race cars, Camaros, Mustangs, Challengers are no longer affordable for the average folk. That was the 70's and 80's when fuel and insurance rates were reasonable. People buy a Honda because it won't break the bank to buy, is cheap to operate, RARELY breaks down and is still worth something even after 10 years.

As for Honda not making anything exciting in the last decade, I thought the Prelude, NSX, Integra type R and S2000 were pretty exciting. Excitement now is MPG not 500 horsepower. The Insight will be a huge winner when it's released in Canada this year. Stop being an idiot and get with the program. You sound like you're 18 years old. We'd all love to drive Corvettes and SRT Challengers but after a reality check, it's off to the local Honda store for most people, myself included.

Couldn't have put it better!!

[Acuratl]

Bro! Looks like you've been in a coma since the 70's and have just woken up so let me summarize what you've missed. The new horsepower is MPG. Race cars, Camaros, Mustangs, Challengers are no longer affordable for the average folk. That was the 70's and 80's when fuel and insurance rates were reasonable. People buy a Honda because it won't break the bank to buy, is cheap to operate, RARELY breaks down and is still worth something even after 10 years.

As for Honda not making anything exciting in the last decade, I thought the Prelude, NSX, Integra type R and S2000 were pretty exciting. Excitement now is MPG not 500 horsepower. The Insight will be a huge winner when it's released in Canada this year. Stop being an idiot and get with the program. You sound like you're 18 years old. We'd all love to drive Corvettes and SRT Challengers but after a reality check, it's off to the local Honda store for most people, myself included.

well said, I'm happy with my new CIVIC LX coupe :)

[chenwaa123]

In BC the dealers were offering and additional $888 on top of the $1000 loyalty dollars.

Do you think its possible to squeeze out another $1100 on a Civic Si, on top of the current offers? (total ~$3000 off sticker) . I'm going to finance as the rates much better than the cash incentive IMHO.

[rubluv]

1500 from honda and 1000 incentive


Which one is which? There's a dealer discount and a factory incentive.

I think factory incentive was 1500 and the previous honda owner was 1000 (my brother has honda so...) but do you think that's a good deal?

[rubluv]

Was the 1500 from the cash purchase and 1000 from previously owning a Honda?

To my understanding 1500 was from the factory incentive and 1000 from previously owning a honda. Do you think this is a good deal?

[yatyat]

In BC the dealers were offering and additional $888 on top of the $1000 loyalty dollars.

Do you think its possible to squeeze out another $1100 on a Civic Si, on top of the current offers? (total ~$3000 off sticker) . I'm going to finance as the rates much better than the cash incentive IMHO.

the $888, i think you need to get a voucher from the autoshow which is ending today?

[Drew_W]

To my understanding 1500 was from the factory incentive and 1000 from previously owning a honda. Do you think this is a good deal?

That isn't a deal at all. You are then buying the car at FULL RETAIL PRICE from the dealer. You can get a good amount back from the dealer, at LEAST $1000 regardless of what model.

[rubluv]

I don't think the deals from Honda will get any better than this. They have already dropped Cash incentives from 6k, to 4k, to 3k on the CRV. I can't see the interest rates lasting until the end of the year. Honda rarely offers 0.9%. Same with the loyalty discount!

I just bought an 09 DXA, and am quite happy with it!

Were you replying to my thread?

[tmkf_patryk]

Bro! Looks like you've been in a coma since the 70's and have just woken up so let me summarize what you've missed. The new horsepower is MPG. Race cars, Camaros, Mustangs, Challengers are no longer affordable for the average folk. That was the 70's and 80's when fuel and insurance rates were reasonable. People buy a Honda because it won't break the bank to buy, is cheap to operate, RARELY breaks down and is still worth something even after 10 years.

As for Honda not making anything exciting in the last decade, I thought the Prelude, NSX, Integra type R and S2000 were pretty exciting. Excitement now is MPG not 500 horsepower. The Insight will be a huge winner when it's released in Canada this year. Stop being an idiot and get with the program. You sound like you're 18 years old. We'd all love to drive Corvettes and SRT Challengers but after a reality check, it's off to the local Honda store for most people, myself included.

cant say i lived to understand the 70's, wish i did.
the horsepower is now MPG? since uh, today?
lets say you drive 10 minutes to work each day
thats 20 minutes a working day
so essentially thats almost 100 hours a year of driving
wouldnt you want to have fun driving?

prelude is a sports car and exciting? i guess for you the AMC gremlin would be too?
i thought it was bad enough seeing im a minority in school, seeing more asians than whites, guess same thing all around edmonton, more ricers than ever.
heres a fact: honda does have lemons, same with toyota (echo anyone?) and our domestic big 3.

depreciation: after 10 years, whether its a honda or a ford, they are worth alot less, honda/toyota typically goes for a tad bit higher (1k on average) compared to a cavalier/sunfire is because they have better MPG so they think they can make back that money after a half year of driving.

yea, we would all love to drive corvettes and SRT challengers, i totally agree!

now think about this:
good parts about civic - new, warranty, good mpg, nothing else? - 20 grand (or so) 200HP?

now lets take a 15 year old vette - no warranty, mpg is descent, but its a vette, fun to drive, gets looks left,right and center, the dreamcar for most people - 15 grand - 350HP?

so compare these two, the vette may be older, but they are built with quality parts, chance of getting a lemon vette is lower than a lemon honda
now comparing, you can get a vette for cheaper than a new honda which looks way better, lets say you need to fix something (just cause) and you spend 2-3 grand, you still have 2-3 grand to spend on the gas but hell, its a vette.
this comparison is the same as buying a new hdtv plasma which is tiny (like 25",27"), or an older projection big 50" tv and you are watching standard cable thru cable. you save a few hundred bucks, both will last, bigger tv is better

yes i do have a vette now, and more, i could sell my muscle and get a few brand new hondas, but why would i downgrade and disgrace myself. wheres the american (north american) dream?

i know arguing on the internet is pretty useless, so calling me an idiot and clueless is just showing your true colours
also this is RFD : save your money and look good doing it

[gucci17]

cant say i lived to understand the 70's, wish i did.
the horsepower is now MPG? since uh, today?
lets say you drive 10 minutes to work each day
thats 20 minutes a working day
so essentially thats almost 100 hours a year of driving
wouldnt you want to have fun driving?

prelude is a sports car and exciting? i guess for you the AMC gremlin would be too?
i thought it was bad enough seeing im a minority in school, seeing more asians than whites, guess same thing all around edmonton, more ricers than ever.
heres a fact: honda does have lemons, same with toyota (echo anyone?) and our domestic big 3.

depreciation: after 10 years, whether its a honda or a ford, they are worth alot less, honda/toyota typically goes for a tad bit higher (1k on average) compared to a cavalier/sunfire is because they have better MPG so they think they can make back that money after a half year of driving.

yea, we would all love to drive corvettes and SRT challengers, i totally agree!

now think about this:
good parts about civic - new, warranty, good mpg, nothing else? - 20 grand (or so) 200HP?

now lets take a 15 year old vette - no warranty, mpg is descent, but its a vette, fun to drive, gets looks left,right and center, the dreamcar for most people - 15 grand - 350HP?

so compare these two, the vette may be older, but they are built with quality parts, chance of getting a lemon vette is lower than a lemon honda
now comparing, you can get a vette for cheaper than a new honda which looks way better, lets say you need to fix something (just cause) and you spend 2-3 grand, you still have 2-3 grand to spend on the gas but hell, its a vette.
this comparison is the same as buying a new hdtv plasma which is tiny (like 25",27"), or an older projection big 50" tv and you are watching standard cable thru cable. you save a few hundred bucks, both will last, bigger tv is better

yes i do have a vette now, and more, i could sell my muscle and get a few brand new hondas, but why would i downgrade and disgrace myself. wheres the american (north american) dream?

i know arguing on the internet is pretty useless, so calling me an idiot and clueless is just showing your true colours
also this is RFD : save your money and look good doing it

If you think arguing over the internet is useless then stop throwing fuel into the fire.

You are obviously biased towards your vette and 'american' cars. This thread isn't about what manufacturer is better. Let's take this debate elsewhere.

Let's face it, everyone has their own taste and opinion on what car they like. I for one like vettes myself but only the newer looking ones. I personally think a 15 year old vette is ugly. But hey, that's my opinion. And let's be honest here, get a couple of hondas for your 15 year old vette? Quite the exagerration...

Like others have mentioned. This day and age, the general concensus would be to save money. If you want to look good while driving and have fun, you obviously aren't hurting for cash or have less responsibilities. So good for those people. I'm not fortunate to be in that category so I'm in the market for an affordable and dependable car that appeals to my taste.

Anyways, let's get this thread back on track before the mods decide to close it.

[tmkf_patryk]

Let's face it, everyone has their own taste and opinion on what car they like. I for one like vettes myself but only the newer looking ones. I personally think a 15 year old vette is ugly. But hey, that's my opinion. And let's be honest here, get a couple of hondas for your 15 year old vette? Quite the exagerration...
]

i dont have a 15 year old vette, i was using that as a comparison. and my vette and camaro if sold i can buy a couple brand new hondas, and both are older than 15 years :)

if your hurtin for cash, used cars are the way to go, depreciation hits hardest first 3 years, its pretty much a fact

[IntrepidRT]

A review of my '06 Civic DX Coupe (purchased brand new in '06):

Pluses:
- I'm quite impressed with the MPG on my Civic. Averaging 6.1L/100km combined city/highway.
- Handling is great (of course I added an SI rear sway bar), it's on par with my Intrepid now!
- Electronic dash is great to look at

Minuses
- Fit and finish quality leaves a LOT to be desired. Panels don't fit together properly and gaps exist where there shouldn't be any.
- Problems with throttle lag persist
- THIN steel body panels, they dent just by washing them lightly with a sponge.
- Environmentally friendly paint doesn't stick to the car well. Flakes off on its own and is very prone to rock chips. Not only a Honda problem, I know a few Nissan owners who swear that the Nissan paint is even worse.
- Honda dealers not very accommodating towards my several warranty claims, they half ass the work. When I take it back to them, they tell me to go back to the dealer where I purchased it.


Overall, it's OK. Better than a Corolla, but I don't really like driving it. Doesn't have much personality, and the problems I've had with the fit and finish, I never had with my other vehicles (domestics). My next car won't be a Honda, back to a Chrysler.

[radeonboy]

A review of my '06 Civic DX Coupe (purchased brand new in '06):

Pluses:
- I'm quite impressed with the MPG on my Civic. Averaging 6.1L/100km combined city/highway.
- Handling is great (of course I added an SI rear sway bar), it's on par with my Intrepid now!
- Electronic dash is great to look at

Minuses
- Fit and finish quality leaves a LOT to be desired. Panels don't fit together properly and gaps exist where there shouldn't be any.
- Problems with throttle lag persist
- THIN steel body panels, they dent just by washing them lightly with a sponge.
- Honda dealers not very accommodating towards my several warranty claims, they half ass the work. When I take it back to them, they tell me to go back to the dealer where I purchased it.


Overall, it's OK. Better than a Corolla, but I don't really like driving it. Doesn't have much personality, and the problems I've had with the fit and finish, I never had with my other vehicles (domestics). My next car won't be a Honda, back to a Chrysler.

I've never heard this one before, I mean is there like a hard stain that you need to apply that much force on the panel? Use a pressure washer instead, washing by hand, you're just instilling more swirls on the paint.

Anyway I call BS on that point.

[IntrepidRT]

I've never heard this one before, I mean is there like a hard stain that you need to apply that much force on the panel? Use a pressure washer instead, washing by hand, you're just instilling more swirls on the paint.

Anyway I call BS on that point.
Yeah, you're right......I made that up because I'm used to thicker, stronger steel panels on vehicles. Obviously you own one of these as well since you just seem to KNOW. ;)

Pressure washing doesn't take dirt off BTW. Ever tried to pressure wash any sort of dirt off without rubbing?


Oh I forgot another negative: terrible paint, some flaked off the edges of the bumper shortly after delivery, and is very prone to paint chips from rocks.

[tmkf_patryk]

Yeah, you're right......I made that up because I'm used to thicker, stronger steel panels on vehicles. Obviously you own one of these as well since you just seem to KNOW. ;)

Pressure washing doesn't take dirt off BTW. Ever tried to pressure wash any sort of dirt off without rubbing?


Oh I forgot another negative: terrible paint, some flaked off the edges of the bumper shortly after delivery, and is very prone to paint chips from rocks.

they dont make panels like they used to, dings and dents happen from almost anything.
getting many layers of clear coat aint cheap

[chenwaa123]

the $888, i think you need to get a voucher from the autoshow which is ending today?


The dealer said he would give me the credit (lasts until the end of April) if I came in by the end of today, and I so you don't need to go the auto show.
However, I said I was busy and he could keep his $888 as I would ask for a greater discount on the car or I'd walk anyway:D. I"ll do my best to grind these people into the ground and squeeze every penny I can get, I have no shame and I have no need for a car so I can wait for ever.

[Acuratl]

The dealer said he would give me the credit (lasts until the end of April) if I came in by the end of today, and I so you don't need to go the auto show.
However, I said I was busy and he could keep his $888 as I would ask for a greater discount on the car or I'd walk anyway:D. I"ll do my best to grind these people into the ground and squeeze every penny I can get, I have no shame and I have no need for a car so I can wait for ever.

well said, get atleast 1500 off man!

[clamchowder]

well said, get atleast 1500 off man!

I ended up getting $3388 off ($1500 cash incentive, $1000 loyalty, and $888 Autoshow) plus undercoating, all weather floor mats and 20% tint. Talked him down to $20.5K on the '09 Civic Sport model.

[jmah1]

I ended up getting $3388 off ($1500 cash incentive, $1000 loyalty, and $888 Autoshow) plus undercoating, all weather floor mats and 20% tint. Talked him down to $20.5K on the Sport model.

which car did u get ?

[Acuratl]

I ended up getting $3388 off ($1500 cash incentive, $1000 loyalty, and $888 Autoshow) plus undercoating, all weather floor mats and 20% tint. Talked him down to $20.5K on the '09 Civic Sport model.

Not bad, got my 09 Civic LX auto coupe for 21/800 out the door with tint, no mats though :P

im in AB, swap pics? :)

[HP_John]

The dealer said he would give me the credit (lasts until the end of April) if I came in by the end of today, and I so you don't need to go the auto show.
However, I said I was busy and he could keep his $888 as I would ask for a greater discount on the car or I'd walk anyway:D. I"ll do my best to grind these people into the ground and squeeze every penny I can get, I have no shame and I have no need for a car so I can wait for ever.

It depends on where the incentive is coming from. For example, many incentives are from Honda corporate, that means if they expire, the dealer cannot give it to you. As an example, 1 lady wanted all incentives plus $300 over invoice, but didn't want to buy until April. Well, I found out that apparently, in April, Honda removed a $500 incentive on that car. So even if she gets $300 over invoice, it`d be $500 more in April than it would`ve been in March. I was formerly a salesperson for Honda.

On many Honda cars, the gross is very little, so an extra $888 is actually quite good, on top of whatever other discounts you can get from the dealer. If the $888 is from Honda corporate, then any deal you could`ve made would`ve had that extra $888 off on it.

[CF777]

It depends on where the incentive is coming from. For example, many incentives are from Honda corporate, that means if they expire, the dealer cannot give it to you. As an example, 1 lady wanted all incentives plus $300 over invoice, but didn't want to buy until April. Well, I found out that apparently, in April, Honda removed a $500 incentive on that car. So even if she gets $300 over invoice, it`d be $500 more in April than it would`ve been in March. I was formerly a salesperson for Honda.

On many Honda cars, the gross is very little, so an extra $888 is actually quite good, on top of whatever other discounts you can get from the dealer. If the $888 is from Honda corporate, then any deal you could`ve made would`ve had that extra $888 off on it.

Thanks for the info. Now the big question is, did your dealer normally accept offers of $300 over invoice?

[flameboy54]

Hi guys. I'm looking into the Fit, probably the DX trim. I haven't actually gone to the dealership to talk yet but I want to get my calculations straight before I do any real number crunching. I've outline the numbers below. Let me know if I've done it right....

2009 Honda Fit DX (AT)

MSRP: $16,180 + $1,310 (PDI) = $17,490

Rebates:
- Scrap-it benefit: $1,250**
- Gov't PST reduction: 7% tax (Up to $1,000)**
- Honda Loyalty rebate: $1,000
- Total: $2,250 + 7%

$17,490 + $874.50 (5% GST) = $18,364.5 - $2,250 = $16,114.50 OTD


As you can see, I've used full MSRP (not factoring in any dealer discount), factored in only the GST (no PST because of the Gov't PST reduction) and deducted the Honda Loyalty and Scrap-It rebate from the after-tax price. Is that how it's done?? If not, please school me.

Thanks.

**Further information for the BC Scrap-It program and Gov't PST reduction rebate:
http://www.scrapit.ca/lowermainland.htm
http://www.livesmartbc.ca/attachments/2009_fuel_efficient_vehicles.pdf

[Raikkonen]

Need a deal please on 2009 Passport EX-L
Can buy immediately
Any leads....;)

[HP_John]

Need a deal please on 2009 Passport EX-L
Can buy immediately
Any leads....;)

What is a Passport? Do you mean Pilot?

[yao416]

Anyone bought a Civic?

[chenwaa123]

Anyone bought a Civic?

The dealer near me offered $22k (including PDI) + Tax for a 08 Si...now thats a deal! Only bad part was no 0.9%...the rate was 5.4% but saving was still quite large.

[yao416]

The dealer near me offered $22k (including PDI) + Tax for a 08 Si...now thats a deal! Only bad part was no 0.9%...the rate was 5.4% but saving was still quite large.

Quote from Honda.ca was $28K (09) :-0

I think I'm gonna check out a Honda Dealership. How much should I expect the price to be?

[Acuratl]

Quote from Honda.ca was $28K (09) :-0

I think I'm gonna check out a Honda Dealership. How much should I expect the price to be?

if you're doing cash you can do probably close to 23-24 for a civic SI 09 OTD.

[yidua]

Talked to 3 dealers, best offer is 23300 plus tax on cash price without loyalty incentive. Could I do better, or should go with it.

[ottofly]

Talked to 3 dealers, best offer is 23300 plus tax on cash price without loyalty incentive. Could I do better, or should go with it.


Somehow I simply can not wrap my head around how people line up to pay over $25,000 for a CIVIC in today's depressed market when Matrix/Vibe/Corollas/Sentras/Mazda3 are going from $17,000-$19,000 OTD. As good as it is, (debatable) it's still a Civic! Just boggles the mind.

[HP_John]

Talked to 3 dealers, best offer is 23300 plus tax on cash price without loyalty incentive. Could I do better, or should go with it.

That's somewhere in the area of $350 over invoice if I'm not mistaken, which is a very good price.

[Dylanc0709]

Buying a Civic EX-L, (23, 680), for accessories got the protection package, hood deflector, locking wheel nuts, and block heater (total 820.75). Add Freight & PDI (1, 310) and tax & levies (1, 416.54) total comes to $27, 227.29 on the website.

I'm financing so no cash off, and no Honda in household so nothing their either... Total I'm paying $26, 100 and I got free oil changes added in as well.

Sound like a good deal or should I be getting more?

[crazybear]

free oil changes for how long?

Buying a Civic EX-L, (23, 680), for accessories got the protection package, hood deflector, locking wheel nuts, and block heater (total 820.75). Add Freight & PDI (1, 310) and tax & levies (1, 416.54) total comes to $27, 227.29 on the website.

I'm financing so no cash off, and no Honda in household so nothing their either... Total I'm paying $26, 100 and I got free oil changes added in as well.

Sound like a good deal or should I be getting more?

[ToChicka]

im in the market to buy a civic ex as well....

i wish the OP would summarize or somehow we can all post in one thread the deals we got so it'd be easier for newcomers here...lol now reading over 45 pages of this thread.

[emay]

I got the calculation for 09 Civic LX auto coupe on their website, it was around $27000.There were no rebates (incentive, loyalty, Scrap-it benefit, Gov't PST reductiont...)on their website. How did you guys get those, negotiating with the dealer?

I am a first time buyer, so don't know much. Thanks for your help!


Not bad, got my 09 Civic LX auto coupe for 21/800 out the door with tint, no mats though :P

im in AB, swap pics? :)

[MC25]

$2000 off is not that much. If it was $5000-$6000, id pick up a Civic EX as well.

That being said, for all these first time buyers, If you do not need the financing, don't lease the car, you end up paying so much more than you need to. If you can, get one used but still under warranty, you can save about $10k that way.

[emay]

Thanks for your advice. I don't know much about vehicle, so I am afraid of buying a used car and having to fix it all the time. :|

$2000 off is not that much. If it was $5000-$6000, id pick up a Civic EX as well.

That being said, for all these first time buyers, If you do not need the financing, don't lease the car, you end up paying so much more than you need to. If you can, get one used but still under warranty, you can save about $10k that way.

[Dylanc0709]

free oil changes for how long?

In the e-mail he first responded to me he said for life... I figure worst case scenerio is 5 yrs, which is worth about $400-500 I figure. But if it's for life, I'll be driving this til it's dead.

[Trigger]

In the e-mail he first responded to me he said for life... I figure worst case scenerio is 5 yrs, which is worth about $400-500 I figure. But if it's for life, I'll be driving this til it's dead.

Even if it's for life, it's not a huge loss for the dealer. Their cost for an oil change is under $20, and they probably will only let you change the oil (at most) every 8000km. If the car lasts you 800,000KM, that's only $2000 out of pocket for them. Taking into consideration the time value of money, it's probably less than half that.

My dad picked up an E-Class a few years ago when they had free 'servicing'. They told him to only come in for an oil change every 16,000km. Funny how when the dealer has to pay for the servicing, you only need to go in half as often. They claimed that it was an engine engineering breakthrough and special synthetic oil advancements that allowed the car to run almost 20,000km on a single oil change.

His new CLS, which doesn't have free servicing, they tell him to come in every 6,000km.

Trigg

[spyhero]

Need a deal please on 2009 Passport EX-L
Can buy immediately
Any leads....;)

Talked to 3 dealers, best offer is 23300 plus tax on cash price without loyalty incentive. Could I do better, or should go with it.

You guys should give Vic at Maple Honda a call. He is the sales manager there and should be able to offer you the best price possible. Don't forget to let him know that you already know the invoice price and all the incentives available. Be sure to mention Red Flag Deals so that he knows you are a bargain hunter.

http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/s...d.php?t=654715

[HP_John]

$2000 off is not that much. If it was $5000-$6000, id pick up a Civic EX as well.

That being said, for all these first time buyers, If you do not need the financing, don't lease the car, you end up paying so much more than you need to. If you can, get one used but still under warranty, you can save about $10k that way.

Considering the difference between invoice & MSRP is about 7.5% if I'm not mistaken, you won't be getting $5000-$6000 off.

[HP_John]

if you're doing cash you can do probably close to 23-24 for a civic SI 09 OTD.

Even if he's doing cash, he'd be looking at about $25 K before taxes, & that's at close to invoice. The car is over $28 K before taxes, minus $1500 cash deal program & $1700 discount (close to invoice). $25 K plus 13% taxes in Ont (he is in Ont), is about $28 K OTD.

[CF777]

Just ended my car hunt tonight. Settled in for a remaining new 2008 Honda Accord 4-cylinder EX-L Navi Sedan. Cash deal.

$31,500 ON THE ROAD

What do you guys think? I'm quite happy with the deal given I was originally thinking of getting a 09 4-cyl EX without leather and it works out to be about the same price.

No "goodies" whatsoever except for wheel locks.

[Trigger]

Just ended my car hunt tonight. Settled in for a remaining new 2008 Honda Accord 4-cylinder EX-L Navi Sedan. Cash deal.

$31,500 ON THE ROAD

What do you guys think? I'm quite happy with the deal given I was originally thinking of getting a 09 4-cyl EX without leather and it works out to be about the same price.

No "goodies" whatsoever except for wheel locks.

Not a bad deal. Congrats on the new car! I don't think the deals are going to get any better in the coming months as inventory numbers go back to normal.

[CF777]

Not a bad deal. Congrats on the new car! I don't think the deals are going to get any better in the coming months as inventory numbers go back to normal.

Thanks! Can't wait to pick up the unit this weekend.

Now does anybody know where to get honda accessories for a discount? I'll be looking for rubber mats. Thanks!

[feierer]

Does anyone happen to have the ccc for 2009 Accord sedan EX V-6 and 2009Accord sedan EX? Thanks a million!!!!!

[gurlcrazeeh]

Anyone out there looking for really good pricing, I have a contact at a HONDA dealership in Brampton.

I can negotiate pricing that tops all other dealers out there, as I have bought 3 cars from him already.

With the slow sales of vehicles, he is willing to go the lowest possible with savings on freight and administration fees and is only about 2% above ccc wholesale pricing.

Let me know if you guys need further assistance, and I can definitely source out the best pricing for you.

[Carzzz]

Just ended my car hunt tonight. Settled in for a remaining new 2008 Honda Accord 4-cylinder EX-L Navi Sedan. Cash deal.

$31,500 ON THE ROAD

What do you guys think? I'm quite happy with the deal given I was originally thinking of getting a 09 4-cyl EX without leather and it works out to be about the same price.

No "goodies" whatsoever except for wheel locks.

auto or manual?

[CF777]

auto or manual?

Auto.

[HP_John]

Anyone out there looking for really good pricing, I have a contact at a HONDA dealership in Brampton.

I can negotiate pricing that tops all other dealers out there, as I have bought 3 cars from him already.

With the slow sales of vehicles, he is willing to go the lowest possible with savings on freight and administration fees and is only about 2% above ccc wholesale pricing.

Let me know if you guys need further assistance, and I can definitely source out the best pricing for you.

People are only concerned with OTD prices, not moving the numbers around (eg save on freight, admin, etc). They just need to know how much over the CCC report, not "save X on freight & admin, then add 2%".

[ivica5683]

People are only concerned with OTD prices, not moving the numbers around (eg save on freight, admin, etc). They just need to know how much over the CCC report, not "save X on freight & admin, then add 2%".

+++1

Totally Agree!!!

[charliel]

Did anyone buy CR-V Ex 4WD since April 1st in Ontario? I know the cash incentive has dropped from 4000 to 3000. But I also noticed honda in BC has loyalty and scratch, PST program. Is there similar discount in Ontario? I'd like to buy in cash wonder on-road price. Is $32.500 possible ? :idea:

[ferkel]

Did anyone buy CR-V Ex 4WD since April 1st in Ontario? I know the cash incentive has dropped from 4000 to 3000. But I also noticed honda in BC has loyalty and scratch, PST program. Is there similar discount in Ontario? I'd like to buy in cash wonder on-road price. Is $32.500 possible ? :idea:

Of course not

[ToChicka]

whats the best one has received through this thread? I'm in market for a Honda Civic 09 EX model... :|

[Tical]

i dont have a 15 year old vette, i was using that as a comparison. and my vette and camaro if sold i can buy a couple brand new hondas, and both are older than 15 years :)

if your hurtin for cash, used cars are the way to go, depreciation hits hardest first 3 years, its pretty much a fact

Do you folks realize you're arguing with a kid who likely lives with his folks, and owns nothing of the sort? http://forum.team17.com/member.php?u=2643

Whose hobbies are primarily online gaming, and flaunting his sIiCkK RaCIinGg SkIllLLLzzZ on the internet? http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&q=tmkf_patryk+&meta=&aq=f&oq=

Who uses words like "cuz"?

Come on fellas, you're wasting your breath on this guy.

[radeonboy]

Do you folks realize you're arguing with a kid who likely lives with his folks, and owns nothing of the sort? http://forum.team17.com/member.php?u=2643

Whose hobbies are primarily online gaming, and flaunting his sIiCkK RaCIinGg SkIllLLLzzZ on the internet? http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&q=tmkf_patryk+&meta=&aq=f&oq=

Who uses words like "cuz"?

Come on fellas, you're wasting your breath on this guy.

Muwhaha :lol::lol::lol:

[ToChicka]

@ tmkf_patryk : what a loser:lol:

[mtlu2]

I want to buy a mini van, uplander/sv6/caravan seem good deal but my wife worries about the quality. so only Sienna and Odyssey left to choose,

Can anybody share the good deal of Odyssey? Thanks a lot!

[longdong]

I want to buy a mini van, uplander/sv6/caravan seem good deal but my wife worries about the quality. so only Sienna and Odyssey left to choose,

Can anybody share the good deal of Odyssey? Thanks a lot!

Here's the info. in March 2009: (but don't know the price in april)


Address: Toronto, ON View map
Location: Toronto
Date Listed: 23-Mar-09

This Brand New 2009 Honda Odyssey LX is sale priced $5855 of MSRP and less than Honda invoice price. This Honda Odyssey is at one of TransDeal.ca member Toronto area Honda dealerships.

2009 Honda Odyssey LX
MSRP: $33 590
TransDeal.ca Member Honda Dealer Price $27 735
= $5855 off sticker price

For more information on this 2009 Honda Odyssey LX for sale and other great deals on Honda and all other brands and model reply to this post, call 1-888-446-2321 or visit www.TransDeal.ca

Stock Photo

Prices valid until the end of Feb 2009.

All Makes All Models All Years

Save Time Money and Stress

www.TransDeal.ca

[sir_belamy]

I want to buy a mini van, uplander/sv6/caravan seem good deal but my wife worries about the quality. so only Sienna and Odyssey left to choose,

Can anybody share the good deal of Odyssey? Thanks a lot!

I worry too....every review thread talks about component and assembly issues.

IMO the Uplander/SV6's look like postal service trucks but I am willing to sacriface looks for practicallity and I am all up for 17K instead of 33K....but how much of this is true???

Do the japanese models have the same types of issues or is it just hype.

[happy4uall]

Here's the info. in March 2009: (but don't know the price in april)


Address: Toronto, ON View map
Location: Toronto
Date Listed: 23-Mar-09

This Brand New 2009 Honda Odyssey LX is sale priced $5855 of MSRP and less than Honda invoice price. This Honda Odyssey is at one of TransDeal.ca member Toronto area Honda dealerships.

2009 Honda Odyssey LX
MSRP: $33 590
TransDeal.ca Member Honda Dealer Price $27 735
= $5855 off sticker price

For more information on this 2009 Honda Odyssey LX for sale and other great deals on Honda and all other brands and model reply to this post, call 1-888-446-2321 or visit www.TransDeal.ca

Stock Photo

Prices valid until the end of Feb 2009.

All Makes All Models All Years

Save Time Money and Stress

www.TransDeal.ca


Read this first!...TransDeal.ca review...:eek:

http://www.canadiandriver.com/forum/index.php?topic=61576.0

[MC25]

Just thought Id post this.. I went to the Honda dealership while getting maintenance, and went and looked at their lot. The guy said that these are the following discounts for civics (09 models only apparently)
-$1500 for a manual transmission
-$1000 for owning a honda before (customer appreciation)
-$1000 for..I forget what this one was

=$4500 off MSRP.

[tmkf_patryk]

Just thought Id post this.. I went to the Honda dealership while getting maintenance, and went and looked at their lot. The guy said that these are the following discounts for civics (09 models only apparently)
-$1500 for a manual transmission
-$1000 for owning a honda before (customer appreciation)
-$1000 for..I forget what this one was

=$4500 off MSRP.

1500 + 1000 + 1000 is not 4500..............

if you believe its 4500, then you probably believe honda's own imports, and believe hondas give better fuel economy

its all propoganda

[tmkf_patryk]

Do you folks realize you're arguing with a kid who likely lives with his folks, and owns nothing of the sort? http://forum.team17.com/member.php?u=2643

Whose hobbies are primarily online gaming, and flaunting his sIiCkK RaCIinGg SkIllLLLzzZ on the internet? http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&q=tmkf_patryk+&meta=&aq=f&oq=

Who uses words like "cuz"?

Come on fellas, you're wasting your breath on this guy.

@ tmkf_patryk : what a loser:lol:

well, i am 22 years old, i dont deny it
but loser? no
i am better off than both, owning a corvette, camaro, and looking for a 3rd car.
not only that, i have 3 more exams before finishing university, and already know many trades - electrical,carpentry,flooring, some plumbing and some mechanic
also i build and fix computers as a side job aswell

so now if you think im a kid cuz im 22, sure fair enough
but honestly, think about the times when cars looked cool, drove fast, and you had fun driving.
these honda ***** are terrible, driven many, they are so plastic its amazing, and safety? seeing a headon collision between a steel car and a new toyota (same as honda) the steel car had a dent, bout 200 dollar fix for new front clip, and the toyota was a harmonica, total write off and driver was almost dead.
so, if you want to go for honda to save money, why buy new? new is not worth it, everyone knows. find a FRIEND who is a mechanic and he can help you out get an older car that works like a charm. now if you arent in the market for a car to save money, why are you looking at hondas, look terrible, plastic like no tomorrow, made pretty shabby, slow, and honestly, you will be driving the car that 9/10 others drive, why not stand out?

[kuba]

1500 + 1000 + 1000 is not 4500..............

if you believe its 4500, then you probably believe honda's own imports, and believe hondas give better fuel economy

its all propoganda

It's (not "its") propaganda, no second "o" needed Mr. University.:lol:

Btw, if you want to "stand out" in owning a car, buy a Lamborghini Reventon, that should do it.

[tmkf_patryk]

It's (not "its") propaganda, no second "o" needed Mr. University.:lol:

Btw, if you want to "stand out" in owning a car, buy a Lamborghini Reventon, that should do it.

i was never good in english :P
honestly, lambo's are nice, but i wouldnt want it for the price IF i had the money, which i dont. IF i had that much money, i would prefer spending it in getting bigger house, or putting in a 3 or 4 car garage, or buying a few cars to resto and modify :)
sorta like bugatti veyron, if i have 5 million i still wont own that car
and of course once i get family, take em on vacation and just, have fun

what i still am looking to get in future:
2nd gen camaro,
68 vette
superbee
dodge challenger 1970-72
1978 trans am bandit SE
and some winter beater car :P

[Lemur Autovision]

Here's the info. in March 2009: (but don't know the price in april)


Address: Toronto, ON View map
Location: Toronto
Date Listed: 23-Mar-09

This Brand New 2009 Honda Odyssey LX is sale priced $5855 of MSRP and less than Honda invoice price. This Honda Odyssey is at one of TransDeal.ca member Toronto area Honda dealerships.

2009 Honda Odyssey LX
MSRP: $33 590
TransDeal.ca Member Honda Dealer Price $27 735
= $5855 off sticker price

For more information on this 2009 Honda Odyssey LX for sale and other great deals on Honda and all other brands and model reply to this post, call 1-888-446-2321 or visit www.TransDeal.ca

Stock Photo

Prices valid until the end of Feb 2009.

All Makes All Models All Years

Save Time Money and Stress

www.TransDeal.ca


For what is it worth, I waited and waited for Honda to drop prices on cars, (everyone on FRD said to wait till Spring for the car price drops) but they still have not happened. Now the market is rebounding, and I don't think Honda is going to get off the pot.

In the end, took advantage of a discount on new 2008 models. Bought an 2008 Odyssey EX MSRP is $36,900. I got it on the Road for $34,790. That includes about a $8700 rebate for some crap etc.

Best price I could get on a 2009 was $500 above dealer cost, but that was still more expensive than the 08 I got by $2000, plus I had to ship it from Ontario, so that's another $1000. And for what? A car that is just the same as the 08, and hassle of not seeing the vehicle before I bought it.

That's my story. Anyone wanna buy a 2005 Odyssey EX for $18,900 PM me.

[longdong]

Read this first!...TransDeal.ca review...:eek:

http://www.canadiandriver.com/forum/index.php?topic=61576.0

you don't need to buy from transdeal, it's just for your reference. So it's good to have a price reference.

[gurlcrazeeh]

Let's just make it clear that it is not about moving numbers around to get to a lower monthly or what not.

I am talking about Out The Door pricing. You take Car Cost Canada wholesale pricing, and most places will still need to add at least 4 - 5% on the price; plus freight & pdi; and with most dealerships admin fees of 300 - 500 for etching and security, etc. etc.

Keep it simple to the ones who pm'ed me that I am currently working on the pricing details, and with more information needed i will pm back.

It's up to you wether you think it is a good deal or not.

I bought a 2008 Civic LX for 3% above CCC pricing; and thats inclusive of f&pdi and admin fees.

[tmkf_patryk]

you need to also remember that dealer does need to make a profit to survive
and also dealer has many fees people forget:
to rent a car to have it just sit at a dealership costs 500 a year (i heard, not sure)
also dealer needs to pay for employees, lighting, security, etc, so price will always be above CCC

[MC25]

well, i am 22 years old, i dont deny it
but loser? no
i am better off than both, owning a corvette, camaro, and looking for a 3rd car.
not only that, i have 3 more exams before finishing university, and already know many trades - electrical,carpentry,flooring, some plumbing and some mechanic
also i build and fix computers as a side job aswell

so now if you think im a kid cuz im 22, sure fair enough
but honestly, think about the times when cars looked cool, drove fast, and you had fun driving.
these honda ***** are terrible, driven many, they are so plastic its amazing, and safety? seeing a headon collision between a steel car and a new toyota (same as honda) the steel car had a dent, bout 200 dollar fix for new front clip, and the toyota was a harmonica, total write off and driver was almost dead.
so, if you want to go for honda to save money, why buy new? new is not worth it, everyone knows. find a FRIEND who is a mechanic and he can help you out get an older car that works like a charm. now if you arent in the market for a car to save money, why are you looking at hondas, look terrible, plastic like no tomorrow, made pretty shabby, slow, and honestly, you will be driving the car that 9/10 others drive, why not stand out?


ROFL!!!!
What a tool! Comes onto "RFD", not to mention the "Honda Deals" thread, and brags about owning a camero, corvette, etc, and having many trades lol. I bet you hes some 16 year old punk sitting behind his desk getting a hard on at trying to act tough. PS: If you really were that educated, you would know how to type and form sentences.

[tmkf_patryk]

i could care less what you think,
but why would I lie? i am not here to impress anyone. i actually went on here because a friend was interested in a new honda and I told them about RFD. then i stumble upon this joke of a thread, with jokers like you MC25.

my english isnt best maybe because it isnt my first language? i had hard enough time with my english classes you dont have to rub it in too.

i just own a camaro and corvette, no etc is needed. i am finally understanding why there are so many cheap bastards, people who think its impossible to do well as a 'kid' and then just follow and grow up to be a another nobody. dont spend money on booze, cigs and drugs and you will be amazed how much money you have. now stop being jealous and keep working your dead end job to some day buy a new civic so you can be one of the few thousand civic drivers I see daily

[newhope]

Somehow I simply can not wrap my head around how people line up to pay over $25,000 for a CIVIC in today's depressed market when Matrix/Vibe/Corollas/Sentras/Mazda3 are going from $17,000-$19,000 OTD. As good as it is, (debatable) it's still a Civic! Just boggles the mind.

Ignorant comment, but can you get a similarly-equipped Corolla for $19,000 OTD? I thought Corolla is equally expensive.

[Tical]

well, i am 22 years old, i dont deny it
but loser? no
i am better off than both, owning a corvette, camaro, and looking for a 3rd car.
not only that, i have 3 more exams before finishing university, and already know many trades - electrical,carpentry,flooring, some plumbing and some mechanic
also i build and fix computers as a side job aswell

so now if you think im a kid cuz im 22, sure fair enough
but honestly, think about the times when cars looked cool, drove fast, and you had fun driving.
these honda ***** are terrible, driven many, they are so plastic its amazing, and safety? seeing a headon collision between a steel car and a new toyota (same as honda) the steel car had a dent, bout 200 dollar fix for new front clip, and the toyota was a harmonica, total write off and driver was almost dead.
so, if you want to go for honda to save money, why buy new? new is not worth it, everyone knows. find a FRIEND who is a mechanic and he can help you out get an older car that works like a charm. now if you arent in the market for a car to save money, why are you looking at hondas, look terrible, plastic like no tomorrow, made pretty shabby, slow, and honestly, you will be driving the car that 9/10 others drive, why not stand out?

Well I guess we should probably fire all those silly people that do crash testing on all these new cars, since YOU'VE seen proof to the contrary. With your extensive background in electrical, carpentry, flooring, plumbing and mechanics, I would certainly entrust my family's life to your wisdom, rather than believing those silly crash reports.


BTW, I'm pretty sure that:
a) a new toyota is most definitely not "same as honda"
b) all cars are made of steel. Even the hondas you so loathe.
c) The harmonica you refer to is called a crumple zone. This absorbs energy, whereas in "steel cars", the energy is transferred onto the occupants.
d) perhaps the only thing you can do with your rusted out POS is pick up chubby high school girls who don't know any better. Though I'm still unconvinced that you're not a virgin. Meanwhile civic drivers can tote their kids/groceries around, commute to work in record time, and enjoy a resale value unheard of in any other model of car (and as an added bonus, contrary to the cars you own, every time they turn the key, the car will start! marvelous isnt it?)
e) with a civic/crv/pilot/whatever, your goal is not to "go fast in a straight line" (if 70's to 80's GM cars were able to run reliably enough to complete a quarter mile sprint, that's all they'd be good for). The goal is to have a car that is well balanced in all aspects of DAILY DRIVING. A car that is economical, safe, reliable and affordable. Not a single one of these qualities is exhibited by your "camaro" or "corvette".
f) I don't even know what you're arguing. Yes, new cars have plastic interiors. Is your camaro outfitted with corinthian leather, 16 gauge stainless steel, and carbon fiber reinforcement?

[Tical]

i just own a camaro and corvette, no etc is needed. i am finally understanding why there are so many cheap bastards, people who think its impossible to do well as a 'kid' and then just follow and grow up to be a another nobody. dont spend money on booze, cigs and drugs and you will be amazed how much money you have. now stop being jealous and keep working your dead end job to some day buy a new civic so you can be one of the few thousand civic drivers I see daily

Post pics of your T4 if you're doing so well, hot shot. :lol:

I don't think a SINGLE person is jealous of you here. At 22, I bought my first house. At 22, you own an $1800 car. http://www.usedottawa.com/classified-ad/8777043

I would never be ignorant enough to claim that people are jealous of me, because there are millions who probably earned more, and accomplished more at an earlier age. It's not very hard to live at home and not spend anything. You didn't invent saving. Trying to put someone down because your possessions may be better than theirs is something that poorly endowed nerds do. So please don't claim jealousy ever again :)

Now... please go troll somewhere else. We're discussing cars worth a damn here.

[Acuratl]

Post pics of your T4 if you're doing so well, hot shot. :lol:

I don't think a SINGLE person is jealous of you here. At 22, I bought my first house. At 22, you own an $1800 car. http://www.usedottawa.com/classified-ad/8777043

I would never be ignorant enough to claim that people are jealous of me, because there are millions who probably earned more, and accomplished more at an earlier age. It's not very hard to live at home and not spend anything. You didn't invent saving. Trying to put someone down because your possessions may be better than theirs is something that poorly endowed nerds do. So please don't claim jealousy ever again :)

Now... please go troll somewhere else. We're discussing cars worth a damn here.

the boss has been "pwn'ed"

[Squeeky]

Now the market is rebounding, and I don't think Honda is going to get off the pot.

The economy is looking rosier everyday. More layoffs and dismal news. Who knows what bankruptcy for the American car manufacturers is going to do? Make them more competitive and put pressure on car companies like Honda or make Honda more popular.

I think the reduction in the Honda incentives from last month (i.e. Pilot rebate down to $3k from $4k) are capitalizing on the spring fever people get after a long winter. Sun, flowers, lets buy something.

[mrblond3]

Need a deal please on 2009 Passport EX-L
Can buy immediately
Any leads....;)

What is a Passport? Do you mean Pilot?
There is no Honda Passport in Canada. It's an American model only. The Canadian version is actually the Isuzu Rodeo which hasn't been produced since 2004 I believe.

[CalgaryJeremyK]

The economy is looking rosier everyday. More layoffs and dismal news. Who knows what bankruptcy for the American car manufacturers is going to do? Make them more competitive and put pressure on car companies like Honda or make Honda more popular.

I think the reduction in the Honda incentives from last month (i.e. Pilot rebate down to $3k from $4k) are capitalizing on the spring fever people get after a long winter. Sun, flowers, lets buy something.

+1

Even with spring, I think the reduction in rebates will result in a reduction to Honda's sales in April. In Alberta, Acura's website doesn't seem to show their cash discounts any more so I'm not sure if they are trying to phase them out but I'm willing to bet their sales will tank when and if they do.

[tmkf_patryk]

Post pics of your T4 if you're doing so well, hot shot. :lol:

I don't think a SINGLE person is jealous of you here. At 22, I bought my first house. At 22, you own an $1800 car. http://www.usedottawa.com/classified-ad/8777043

I would never be ignorant enough to claim that people are jealous of me, because there are millions who probably earned more, and accomplished more at an earlier age. It's not very hard to live at home and not spend anything. You didn't invent saving. Trying to put someone down because your possessions may be better than theirs is something that poorly endowed nerds do. So please don't claim jealousy ever again :)

Now... please go troll somewhere else. We're discussing cars worth a damn here.
first - im not ignorate

how can you judge my cars by posting some random ad for a beat up rustbucket? not only you dont know the condition of my cars, you also dont know the upgrades/modifications and restoration. Post my T4? why bother, similarly I wont post a pic because i could care less what you guys think. go think i own a 1800 dollar car, i am the one laughing at you because you underestimate me. the trades I learned from doing renovations. I could have bought a house, an older one with almost no mortgage, but I would prefer to buy a house just with main things built, exterior and so i can do flooring,walls,cieling,electrical,plumbing,tiling all myself, would save me money and I could decide everything myself.

your misconception is muscle cars can only go fast straight, they go really fast straight but for turns they are great too, just need to add things. if you really want to race with turns, do a burnout before you start (rubber is cheap) and then you got clean hot tires, it sticks to the road like crazy (try it yourself if you dont believe me, i done it on more than one occasion)

ok, i will agree, all cars are made of steel, but some are more than others, new cars have alot LESS

your resale car, sure it depreciates alot less than others, mine however isnt depreciating at all, and most likely soon like older fbody's, will be going up in price, amazing isnt it.

true, my cars dont start with turning the key, they use carb(s) and you need to press gas
honestly, i prefer it, you know the funny thing, is when your car wont start, there can be 10 different things wrong it (and you need an obd II reader) now mine on the other hand, if you press gas and it wont start, if you heard the pump push gas, means you must have flooded the spark plugs, so if worst comes, you wait an hour or 2 on a hot day and you start up no problem. MUCH EASIER TO FIX. i am not lazy i dont need a computer doing many things for me. also because of no comp, cars start at a lower voltage/amperage, so if you forget to plug it in in winter (gets to -50 here each year) and you park outside, chance of the old car starting is better, considering they were both parked for same amount of time, same oil used and same battery.

my cars are not economical, i get about 25L/100K in my camaro, is it alot? yup! but its well worth it. the vette is at 18L/100k (stock 350) but they are just as safe if not safer than new cars out right now, reliable? yup, i never have problems with mine, sorta helps to check under the hood every 2 weeks make sure everything is topped up, coolant is MOST IMPORTANT, because oil has additives that if you dont have any oil, the additive left can still get engine to run for about 20-30 minutes before dying. Affordable? for the price of a new car you can get an older camaro thats in real good shape, possibly total restored. you didnt mention you car was fun to drive, mine sure as hell are.

now get onto the ****ing topic, if you want to respond to here, either e-mail me or private message me i would love to continue IN ANOTHER PLACE

[mtlu2]

Odyssey DX is 2500$>Sienna CE, that seems too much for the same level.


I worry too....every review thread talks about component and assembly issues.

IMO the Uplander/SV6's look like postal service trucks but I am willing to sacriface looks for practicallity and I am all up for 17K instead of 33K....but how much of this is true???

Do the japanese models have the same types of issues or is it just hype.

[chenwaa123]

Anyone know when the May Honda deals will be out? Do I actually need to wait till May 1?

[Tical]

first - im not ignorate

:lol: shut up and go away.

[Acuratl]

:lol: shut up and go away.

wow, I'm going to add that to my sig :D

[ottofly]

Ignorant comment, but can you get a similarly-equipped Corolla for $19,000 OTD? I thought Corolla is equally expensive.


Obviously you're the ignorant one. Not only is getting a Corolla for $19,000 out the door possible, you get it with 0% financing to boot.

Meanwhile, why not just go to your nearest Honda dealer, robotic like, just as the rest of the posters on this thread and pay outrageous premiums for transportation. I think the discounts on domestics pretty much cover all the supposed "flaws" that everyone here talks about.

$34,790 for a 2008 Odyssey. A 2008!! Truly mind boggling no matter how good the van is.

[scouzer]

Obviously you're the ignorant one. Not only is getting a Corolla for $19,000 out the door possible, you get it with 0% financing to boot.

Meanwhile, why not just go to your nearest Honda dealer, robotic like, just as the rest of the posters on this thread and pay outrageous premiums for transportation. I think the discounts on domestics pretty much cover all the supposed "flaws" that everyone here talks about.

$34,790 for a 2008 Odyssey. A 2008!! Truly mind boggling no matter how good the van is.

Trust me, they don't. I've regretted my Pursuit since the day I got it. I WISH I had paid that extra $50/mo for a comparable Civic. God I regret this ****ing car.

[Vertigo]

first - im not ignorate
http://i39.tinypic.com/2e5s7f6.jpg

[lindmar]

There is no Honda Passport in Canada. It's an American model only. The Canadian version is actually the Isuzu Rodeo which hasn't been produced since 2004 I believe.

Was at my local mall today and they had it here... in Windsor on display....

2009 Passport.
Looked awesome.
So it is here.. FYI.

[nasatwoburn]

now get onto the ****ing topic, if you want to respond to here, either e-mail me or private message me i would love to continue IN ANOTHER PLACE

And so he admits :)

FYI:
I live with my parents not because I have no choice because they are still my parents. They have done so much when I was little so it's time to do my share.

Not all cars are made of steel. Having more steel[components] does not make a car 'safer'. Learn some physics(momentum). And consequently not fuel or power efficient with more mass in it's body.

Don't be arrogant or underestimate others.

[Tical]

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[MrDisco]

seeing a headon collision between a steel car and a new toyota (same as honda) the steel car had a dent, bout 200 dollar fix for new front clip, and the toyota was a harmonica, total write off and driver was almost dead.


That's just plain ignorant.

Modern cars (of all makes) are *designed* to crumple. This article is written exactly to address your way of thinking:
http://jalopnik.com/395700/why-do-cars-have-crumple-zones
Also (a tad ugly but it gets the math across):
http://www.k12.nf.ca/gc/Science/Physics3204/Projects2003/SlotA/ProjectA2/link20.htm

[ferkel]

Best selling vehicle in Canada IIRC according to Wheels in The Star. Overtaking some pickup truck.

Mazda3 just killed Civic in sales last year.

[George W. Bush]

That's just plain ignorant.

Modern cars (of all makes) are *designed* to crumple. This article is written exactly to address your way of thinking:
http://jalopnik.com/395700/why-do-cars-have-crumple-zones
Also (a tad ugly but it gets the math across):
http://www.k12.nf.ca/gc/Science/Physics3204/Projects2003/SlotA/ProjectA2/link20.htm

Wow - so we now need to all drive cars that will crumple at accidents? What about the old way of designing ALL cars out of real metal, with REAL bumpers that absorb all the shock.

I have seen a 10km bumper fender with "new" harmonica cumple cars, and trust me - you are setting yourself for a lot of repairs! In the older days when cars has REAL useful bumpers, nothing would happen to BOTH cars!

It is funny and sad to see people accepting crappy body built cars. Japanese cars have always been known for very thin metal for their bodies. European cars are much better in that.

[sb_tor]

Mazda3 just killed Civic in sales last year.

incorrect. The civic was no. 1 last year as well (2008).
In the first quarter of 2009, The mazda 3 is ahead by a few hundred units.

[ottofly]

I think you need to compare apples to apples. A base Corolla to a base Civic, not a base Corolla with a fully loaded Civic. For example someone looking for a base model car and is paying cash will save money buying a Civic.

If you go to toyota.ca and price out a 2010 Corolla CE, the price is $18,465.90 OTR. There are no cash incentives.

If you go to honda.ca and price out a 2009 Honda DX, the price is $20,566 OTR. However Honda has a $1,500 cash incentive and a $1,000 loyalty incentive. The OTR price is approx $18,066 after those incentives.

You just contradicted yourself. Comparing a 2010 Corolla with a 2009 Civic is NOT an apples to apples comparison. There are NO incentives on any 2010 Toyota's. The discounts are on 2009's.

[ferkel]

incorrect. The civic was no. 1 last year as well (2008).
In the first quarter of 2009, The mazda 3 is ahead by a few hundred units.

looks like even the corolla is beating civic in todays sales now.

[Choco]

Has anyone test driven Honda Insight yet?

[tmkf_patryk]

Wow - so we now need to all drive cars that will crumple at accidents? What about the old way of designing ALL cars out of real metal, with REAL bumpers that absorb all the shock.

I have seen a 10km bumper fender with "new" harmonica cumple cars, and trust me - you are setting yourself for a lot of repairs! In the older days when cars has REAL useful bumpers, nothing would happen to BOTH cars!

It is funny and sad to see people accepting crappy body built cars. Japanese cars have always been known for very thin metal for their bodies. European cars are much better in that.

so true... oh so true...

also i will add, that in a collision even in like 15 km/h, with these japanese cars, which are superbly thin, you have a better chance of air bag deployment, yes i know the law is it needs to be above 25km/h but you know these jap cars....
http://www.consumeraffairs.com/news04/2007/08/honda_airbags.html

i will prefer my full steel cars (they are more reliable, safer, and go faster turning than imports!) and prefer to keep my face away from powder and getting nose smashed up from an airbag

[ottofly]

Trust me, they don't. I've regretted my Pursuit since the day I got it. I WISH I had paid that extra $50/mo for a comparable Civic. God I regret this ****ing car.


I don't know what year your Pursuit is or what you paid but they are now selling base XFE's for $9995. A base Civic DX goes for $17,000. You think the Civic warrants a 70% premium to a Pursuit/Cobalt? If the spread was $2-3 maybe, but a $7,000 difference in price? That's enough money to rebuild your Pursuit twice over.

Don't think that Civics are without their problems. The previous generation 2001-2005 were utter trash. This generation looks to be following that trend. There have been several serious issues with these cars. I especially like this TSB, one of many on the 2006-present Civic's.lol

HONDA
The engine blocks of some Civics may be cracked. In T.S.B. 08-044 issued on July 25, Honda officials said some
2006-7 Civics — but not the GX, Hybrid or Si models — might be leaking coolant and overheating as a result of the cracks.
A new engine block assembly is the only remedy. Honda noted that owners whose vehicles were out of warranty might be
eligible for reimbursement for the repairs.

Also, Honda has begun a campaign to replace water pump assemblies in some 2006 Civics. In bulletin 08-038 issued
on July 8, Honda noted that a manufacturing problem might lead the water pump pulley flange to crack, which could
cause pump failure or a broken drive belt. Honda said owners could have the service done at no charge.

And after you're done digesting that, this should make you puke all over your shoes.

http://www.clubcivic.com/board/showthread.php?t=141747

[chenwaa123]

I don't know what year your Pursuit is or what you paid but they are now selling base XFE's for $9995. A base Civic DX goes for $17,000. You think the Civic warrants a 70% premium to a Pursuit/Cobalt? If the spread was $2-3 maybe, but a $7,000 difference in price? That's enough money to rebuild your Pursuit twice over.

Don't think that Civics are without their problems. The previous generation 2001-2005 were utter trash. This generation looks to be following that trend. There have been several serious issues with these cars. I especially like this TSB, one of many on the 2006-present Civic's.lol

HONDA
The engine blocks of some Civics may be cracked. In T.S.B. 08-044 issued on July 25, Honda officials said some
2006-7 Civics — but not the GX, Hybrid or Si models — might be leaking coolant and overheating as a result of the cracks.
A new engine block assembly is the only remedy. Honda noted that owners whose vehicles were out of warranty might be
eligible for reimbursement for the repairs.

Also, Honda has begun a campaign to replace water pump assemblies in some 2006 Civics. In bulletin 08-038 issued
on July 8, Honda noted that a manufacturing problem might lead the water pump pulley flange to crack, which could
cause pump failure or a broken drive belt. Honda said owners could have the service done at no charge.

And after you're done digesting that, this should make you puke all over your shoes.

http://www.clubcivic.com/board/showthread.php?t=141747

Nice read, sucks to be those people for sure...The worst problem I've had with my current car (98 Civic HB) is that it needs a new clutch after 140,000Km.

I want an Si anyway so I shouldn't have a problem.

[ottofly]

Nice read, sucks to be those people for sure...The worst problem I've had with my current car (98 Civic HB) is that it needs a new clutch after 140,000Km.

I want an Si anyway so I shouldn't have a problem.

No doubt the 96-00, and to a lesser extent the 92-95 and the 84-92, great mechanical but awful bodies, were the last of the great Civic's when Honda was in it's prime. The 2001 started the decline of the Civic.

The Si has it's own issues with the gearbox, 3rd gear specifically. Intermittent grind which then fills the gearbox with metal leading to complete gearbox failure. The kicker is the dealer then blames the driver for "abuse" and refuses warranty work despite the multiple TSB's and even media coverage it has received. People here need to wake up. These cars have their flaws, some of them very major.

http://www.civicforums.com/forums/181-8th-gen-honda-civic/304486-2007-civic-si-3rd-gear-news.html

[chenwaa123]

No doubt the 96-00, and to a lesser extent the 92-95 and the 84-92, great mechanical but awful bodies, were the last of the great Civic's when Honda was in it's prime. The 2001 started the decline of the Civic.

The Si has it's own issues with the gearbox, 3rd gear specifically. Intermittent grind which then fills the gearbox with metal leading to complete gearbox failure. The kicker is the dealer then blames the driver for "abuse" and refuses warranty work despite the multiple TSB's and even media coverage it has received. People here need to wake up. These cars have their flaws, some of them very major.

http://www.civicforums.com/forums/181-8th-gen-honda-civic/304486-2007-civic-si-3rd-gear-news.html

I'm aware of this issue; I've been following it for about a year. Its the main reason I didn't pick up an Si in the US when the dollar was high (no warantee). I personally think it’s overstated, but also annoying when the dealers deny problems exist or try to blame it on unrelated performance parts. I haven't heard of any problems with the 08/09's so I'll try my luck.

[aesop]

I'm aware of this issue; I've been following it for about a year. Its the main reason I didn't pick up an Si in the US when the dollar was high (no warantee). I personally think it’s overstated, but also annoying when the dealers deny problems exist or try to blame it on unrelated performance parts. I haven't heard of any problems with the 08/09's so I'll try my luck.

I have an RSX which has the original iteration of this problem, and had it from day one. Dealers know about it and there is no sure way to fix it - so I "lived" with it. It seems to happen more on low rpms (syncros not working effectively), so shifting when cold is done a little slower.

Otherwise I don't see it being a huge issue. There are worse things that could go wrong. Like a cracked engine :)

[rems]

so true... oh so true...

also i will add, that in a collision even in like 15 km/h, with these japanese cars, which are superbly thin, you have a better chance of air bag deployment, yes i know the law is it needs to be above 25km/h but you know these jap cars....
http://www.consumeraffairs.com/news04/2007/08/honda_airbags.html

i will prefer my full steel cars (they are more reliable, safer, and go faster turning than imports!) and prefer to keep my face away from powder and getting nose smashed up from an airbag

Crumple zones are more for high speed crashes (the ones that kill). They're there to absorb the force so that you don't get crumpled.

[Mr FAT Head]

Crumple zones are more for high speed crashes (the ones that kill). They're there to absorb the force so that you don't get crumpled.
Totally agreed.

I'm pretty sure if it didn't crumple, thus forcing the cars to stop almost instantaneously your organs would be harmed due to the force of the deceleration.

But then again there are all those silly people who believe that everything European (or American... or German Tank Steel) is great while blatantly ignoring basic science.

[Tical]

so true... oh so true...

also i will add, that in a collision even in like 15 km/h, with these japanese cars, which are superbly thin, you have a better chance of air bag deployment, yes i know the law is it needs to be above 25km/h but you know these jap cars....
http://www.consumeraffairs.com/news04/2007/08/honda_airbags.html

i will prefer my full steel cars (they are more reliable, safer, and go faster turning than imports!) and prefer to keep my face away from powder and getting nose smashed up from an airbag

Hmm have you tested your car's ability to survive an impact when driving off a cliff? You really should.

[gucci17]

can we stop feeding the troll? :(

He will believe what he wants to believe so let him.

It's like arguing with a rock...

[BluEL]

Well, I'm still THIIIINKING ABOUT buying the piece of junk CRV EX-L. What was the lowest price achieved OTR for this plastic bubble car? :)

The sales rep at my local Honda dealership says the $3000 cash rebate will be gone end of April.

CRV EX-L ....nothing else....OTR price I got was $37K. I just need some numbers to compare. I told her that's too much and she keeps insisting on me coming in to test drive and she'll do her best to get me a better price.

[Si-Guy]

HEY PEOPLE, stop fighting like little headless chickens - READ THE TOPIC POSTING and get back on TOPIC - this is nonsense - !

talk about HONDA PRICES at DEALERS only!

[bny768]

stick to the topic. Can moderator cut out unrelated threads? I just want to hear about hot deals.

[isw2000]

I called a local dealer for Civic DXG manual, after $1500 cash incentive and $1000 loyalty, he quoted me cash $19,400 OTR. Is this a good price in your experience?

PS, with BOC cut rate again this morning, do you believe it is a signal for more price cut down the road?

thx.

[Acuratl]

I called a local dealer for Civic DXG manual, after $1500 cash incentive and $1000 loyalty, he quoted me cash $19,400 OTR. Is this a good price in your experience?

PS, with BOC cut rate again this morning, do you believe it is a signal for more price cut down the road?

thx.

i got my civic LX coupe for 21,800 OTD with tint, and it's auto. Go to Okotoks honda, i posted my salesman's info elsewhere in the thread..

[isw2000]

i got my civic LX coupe for 21,800 OTD with tint, and it's auto. Go to Okotoks honda, i posted my salesman's info elsewhere in the thread..


Thx man, I find yr lead and will give him a ring.

[custy]

Saw some similar deals for Acura. Going to check out the dealership for a RDX.

[Winnipeg_Jet]

i got my civic LX coupe for 21,800 OTD with tint, and it's auto. Go to Okotoks honda, i posted my salesman's info elsewhere in the thread..

What? Are you serious? MSRP is $27,332.48 in Manitoba, with no accessories on this model.. That's over $5500 off..

Also what is the cash incentive? No financing and you get $1500 off? If so, I'd expect you could do much better things with your $1500 in that time (5 years). Doesn't seem like that great of an offer.

[charliel]

Of course not

So what is the reasonable range for cash buying? I know 2009 CRV LX 4WD was sold at 28.8K OTD while someone got 2009 EX_L for 36.0K.:?:

[timbit04]

So what is the reasonable range for cash buying? I know 2009 CRV LX 4WD was sold at 28.8K OTD while someone got 2009 EX_L for 36.0K.:?:

May I ask which dealer are you talking about for 2009 EX_L for 36.0K?:?:
Thanks a bunch. (PM if you like)

[Acuratl]

What? Are you serious? MSRP is $27,332.48 in Manitoba, with no accessories on this model.. That's over $5500 off..

Also what is the cash incentive? No financing and you get $1500 off? If so, I'd expect you could do much better things with your $1500 in that time (5 years). Doesn't seem like that great of an offer.

it was a cash deal

1500 off for that 1000 honda loyalty 2500 off from dealer i guess, i think the dealer managed to get an additional 888 due to the calgary auto show or so but yes i got it for 21800, would have received an extra 500 if i got the auto.

[HP_John]

So what is the reasonable range for cash buying? I know 2009 CRV LX 4WD was sold at 28.8K OTD while someone got 2009 EX_L for 36.0K.:?:

I believe the $28.8 K was while the cash deal credit was $4000 before taxes. I think it's only $3000 cash deal credit now before taxes, so the best deal would be somewhere around $30 K OTD on a cash deal in Ont.

For the EXL, $36 K OTD is a fair deal on a cash purchase now (based on $3000 cash deal credit), $35 K OTD could've been possible in Ont back when the cash deal credit was $4000.

[G-Unit!!]

I believe the $28.8 K was while the cash deal credit was $4000 before taxes. I think it's only $3000 cash deal credit now before taxes, so the best deal would be somewhere around $30 K OTD on a cash deal in Ont.

For the EXL, $36 K OTD is a fair deal on a cash purchase now (based on $3000 cash deal credit), $35 K OTD could've been possible in Ont back when the cash deal credit was $4000.

Yup - all those are correct.
I was offered 28.8k by a couple dealerships in ONT for an 09 LX4wd, ended up getting the 08 LX4wd for 2k less.
At that time (end of Jan/early Feb timeframe, 4k+ cash incentive), there were some amazing deals on the higher-end 08 EX model leftover for $30k and an 08 EX-L Navi for just under $36k. All OTR prices.

[happy4uall]

Yup - all those are correct.
I was offered 28.8k by a couple dealerships in ONT for an 09 LX4wd, ended up getting the 08 LX4wd for 2k less.
At that time (end of Jan/early Feb timeframe, 4k+ cash incentive), there were some amazing deals on the higher-end 08 EX model leftover for $30k and an 08 EX-L Navi for just under $36k. All OTR prices.

Which dealerships in ONT?

[G-Unit!!]

Which dealerships in ONT?

That was back in January/Feb timeframe, doubt they'll offer these right now.

THey were Ready Honda and Classic Honda

[happy4uall]

That was back in January/Feb timeframe, doubt they'll offer these right now.

THey were Ready Honda and Classic Honda

Thanks :razz:.. Personally, I bought from Richmond Hill Honda...never go back IMO

[sam123]

For the EXL, $36 K OTD is a fair deal on a cash purchase now (based on $3000 cash deal credit), $35 K OTD could've been possible in Ont back when the cash deal credit was $4000.

I'm in the process of buying an 09 CV-R EX for $36500 OTD right now. Any comments? Purchase finance 60 mo. .9%
BTW they are offering me the extended warranty (6yr. 150K) saying their cost is $936. and they need to make some more profit. My wife wants to take it but I'm not convinced we need it.

[smit]

I'm in the process of buying an 09 CV-R EX for $36500 OTD right now. Any comments? Purchase finance 60 mo. .9%
BTW they are offering me the extended warranty (6yr. 150K) saying their cost is $936. and they need to make some more profit. My wife wants to take it but I'm not convinced we need it.

$36,500 with their financing seems to be in the "fair deal" range. On the warranty...if they are selling it to you at their cost how are they making more profit? Manufacturers always over estimate their warranty liability and they also mark-up the price so it's ultra conservative for them...they will always make money over the long run. As an individual purchaser it's like gambling...will I end up on the short end or for the better by dishing out $936. The odds are on the former not the latter, so the house wins. But you are an individual player so you may beat the house while others lose. Have faith in the reliability of the brand, set aside your $936 in an account, and use it if necessary over the life of the vehicle (could be an option).

[ferkel]

beware! i looked under my 6 month new CR-V EX-L and the bolts underneath the car.. driveshaft, etc are all severely rusted already..

[Pilleh]

beware! i looked under my 6 month new CR-V EX-L and the bolts underneath the car.. driveshaft, etc are all severely rusted already..

REALLY??!! that sux large, i can understand some rust after a year or so but 6 months? what about getting it rust proofed? at the time of my purchase they were looking to charge about 800 bux. never needed it before with other vehicles so i never truly looked into it so i declined. any opinions as to whether or not getting it done would be smart? :confused:

[ferkel]

REALLY??!! that sux large, i can understand some rust after a year or so but 6 months? what about getting it rust proofed? at the time of my purchase they were looking to charge about 800 bux. never needed it before with other vehicles so i never truly looked into it so i declined. any opinions as to whether or not getting it done would be smart? :confused:

I don't think rustproofing would help.. the car was manufactured in Sep and bought in October. Bolts will always rust unless they use quality parts.. and I guess they don't. On a side note... I noticed a lot of the CR-V parts are from China. The seat belts are from Guangzhong China.

[ferkel]

I contacted Honda Canada and they said if I wanted Stainless Steel bolts on my Honda, that is offered on the Acura line of products.

[bluestreetlight]

I contacted Honda Canada and they said if I wanted Stainless Steel bolts on my Honda, that is offered on the Acura line of products.

??? So a $36K+ Honda doesn't deserve some stainless steel bolts? Is that how they classified their brands?

[chenwaa123]

beware! i looked under my 6 month new CR-V EX-L and the bolts underneath the car.. driveshaft, etc are all severely rusted already..

Isn't that type of rust covered by the warantee?

[82]

someone posted a site that list all the incentives currently offer by all major manufacturers. I lost the link and couldn't it after went thru 50 pages ... can someone repost the link? Thanks.

[pigurd]

someone posted a site that list all the incentives currently offer by all major manufacturers. I lost the link and couldn't it after went thru 50 pages ... can someone repost the link? Thanks.

was it this one?

http://www.carquotes.ca/rebates/honda.html

[82]

yes, that was it! thanks again.

[zzricezz]

was it this one?

http://www.carquotes.ca/rebates/honda.html

is this site accurate?

it says CRV only have $2655 rebate but we know it is $3000

2009 Honda CR-V AWD EX
Cash N/A $2,655 May 5, 2009

[wjuneca]

if you add 13% on top, 3000 after the tax

[G-Unit!!]

if you add 13% on top, 3000 after the tax

I'm not sure if that's how the math really works.
When I got my cash incentive, the amount I got off was PRE-tax.

i.e. MSRP (+freight, PDI, etc) less cash incentive discount and then tax goes on top of this reduced price.

In essence, the saving was cash incentive x 1.13.

I think others got the same.

[accord_owner]

I got cash incentive x 1.12 tax (5% gst + 7% BC pst).

[MichaelKnight]

Do incentives usually increase into summer? I am interested in an accord coupe. Incentives got worse into April and no change for May. Too bad I missed out on the '08s.

[Asoul]

Do incentives usually increase into summer? I am interested in an accord coupe. Incentives got worse into April and no change for May. Too bad I missed out on the '08s.

You might not have missed out on the 08s. I would check your dealer. I was at a Honda Dealer this past weekend and they had some 08s left. They were adverstising they had 3 silver Honda Civic SI coupes and the sales guy told me they had 1 black SI sedan and a lower model Civic, I don't know which trim. I had only asked about Civics.

[ernestchi]

I am looking at purchasing a civic lx, manual. I am paying by cash, and after going to the dealership today, the only incentive is a 1500 rebate. I am not eligible for the loyalty rebate, as I have never owned a honda before.

What would be considered a good deal, OTD? Thanks

[spyhero]

My mom just brought a Civic DX -G (auto) model yesterday. She paid total $20,780 cash (include PDI, discount & tax).

Where and which dealer did she get her Civic from? Did that include $1500 loyalty rebate?

[max88]

My mom just brought a Civic DX -G (auto) model yesterday. She paid total $20,780 cash (include PDI, discount & tax).

Where and which dealer did she get her Civic from? Did that include $1500 loyalty rebate?

Where and which ....please? That's even lower that Nissan Sentra 2.0 S auto $20959.

Test-drove DX-G auto today... the sales man quoted cash $23800 out the door. I didn't counter offer as I want to get a CCC report first.

[TorontoEh]

My mom just brought a Civic DX -G (auto) model yesterday. She paid total $20,780 cash (include PDI, discount & tax).

im interested as i ithink its a good deal

[ernestchi]

i'm interested as well!

[Billa-786]

My mom just brought a Civic DX -G (auto) model yesterday. She paid total $20,780 cash (include PDI, discount & tax).

wow...thats a great price for a civic.

[HP_John]

My mom just brought a Civic DX -G (auto) model yesterday. She paid total $20,780 cash (include PDI, discount & tax).

If it's in Ont, then she must've had the $1000 Loyalty rebate (anyone who already has a Honda in their household, doesn't have to be in their name). Still a great price though.

[z613]

I am not sure I believe that. This price is over 3k off. If you are going to post a 'great deal' like this, PLEASE, include all the pertinent details as inquiring minds want to know.......I feel like a mod now!

My mom just brought a Civic DX -G (auto) model yesterday. She paid total $20,780 cash (include PDI, discount & tax).

[jmah1]

My mom just brought a Civic DX -G (auto) model yesterday. She paid total $20,780 cash (include PDI, discount & tax).

wow thats a great deal...thats over 3k discount too ! im thinking of getting one too..im in bc though not sure if they would offer more discounts

[shawn99]

great price

[albatman]

wow...thats a great price for a civic.

Last month I got a 2009 DX-A manual for $17900 OTR, I did get all 3 rebates: cash+loyalty+standard transmission (which I think expired now).

[shawn99]

Last month I got a 2009 DX-A manual for $17900 OTR, I did get all 3 rebates: cash+loyalty+standard transmission (which I think expired now).

do you mind posting the invoice and dealership info?

If you guys a paying cash, i'm guess it's comming from a bank loan. What sorta rates are you getting?

[HP_John]

For anyone interested, just so it should be clarified, that great price was not only due to a dealer discount, but a cash purchase & loyalty rebate (from Honda Canada). If you finance, you don't get the $1500 cash purchase credit (applied before tax), & if no 1 living in your home is already an existing Honda owner, you don't get the $1000 loyalty rebate (applied after tax).

[shawn99]

For anyone interested, just so it should be clarified, that great price was not only due to a dealer discount, but a cash purchase & loyalty rebate (from Honda Canada). If you finance, you don't get the $1500 cash purchase credit (applied before tax), & if no 1 living in your home is already an existing Honda owner, you don't get the $1000 loyalty rebate (applied after tax).


what about 500$ Grad rebate ?

[kleptodathief]

so how much is an 09 civic si coupe with all the options? :idea:

[hugh chung]

has any one heard about the May incentives yet? I just saved up enough money to buy the car I was looking for, dependent on whether the incentives stay the same or get better...

[Tristan910]

I'm planning to get the Civic Coupe EXL auto. Do you guys think I can get it for $27700? I plan to finance (no cash rebate) but my household does have a Honda (loyalty rebate).

[Asoul]

Last month I got a 2009 DX-A manual for $17900 OTR, I did get all 3 rebates: cash+loyalty+standard transmission (which I think expired now).

Yeah the sales guy told me the standard transmission rebate expired.

[MichaelKnight]

has any one heard about the May incentives yet? I just saved up enough money to buy the car I was looking for, dependent on whether the incentives stay the same or get better...

Just check promotions on the honda.ca website. I know accord incentives did not change.

Anyone know what month 2010 honda's come out?

[chenwaa123]

Just check promotions on the honda.ca website. I know accord incentives did not change.

Anyone know what month 2010 honda's come out?

I think its September with announcements in August

[palace_us]

I want to buy Honda Accord Ex-L auto. Does anyone know the wholsale price or CCC report?

Local honda dealer told me 2000$ cash rebate rightnow...any updates on it?

[hugh chung]

Just check promotions on the honda.ca website. I know accord incentives did not change.

Anyone know what month 2010 honda's come out?

dont the promotions go till may 5? just wondering if ppl knew the incentievs for after that.

[MichaelKnight]

dont the promotions go till may 5? just wondering if ppl knew the incentievs for after that.

http://www.hondaontario.com/specialoffers/

I believe this is until 01 June. At least that's what listed on my carcostcanada report.

[hugh chung]

http://www.hondaontario.com/specialoffers/

I believe this is until 01 June. At least that's what listed on my carcostcanada report.

oh, thanks. stupid honda, so arrogant, increase your incentives!

[max88]

Moonstruck, thanks for posting contact information. $20,735.55 is at cost, base on CCC'. Looks like number 7 honda wants to ready its lots for 2010 models.

[albatman]

do you mind posting the invoice and dealership info?


No problem:
Dealership is Lakeshore Honda in South Etobicoke.

Civic DX-A

MSRP 18290
Discounts: 3723 (includes cash discount+loyalty+standard transmission)
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Total sale price: 14567
PDI: 1310
AIR: 100
OMVIC: 5
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TOTAL including Taxes: 17969


If you guys a paying cash, i'm guess it's comming from a bank loan. What sorta rates are you getting?

I used my HELOC at 3.25%

[Troi]

Great information - thanks for sharing!

[Acuratl]

No problem:
Dealership is Lakeshore Honda in South Etobicoke.

Civic DX-A

MSRP 18290
Discounts: 3723 (includes cash discount+loyalty+standard transmission)
---------------------
Total sale price: 14567
PDI: 1310
AIR: 100
OMVIC: 5
-----------------------
TOTAL including Taxes: 17969




I used my HELOC at 3.25%

very very nice deal, you should all be aiming for this

people paying in cash, aim for 1500 cash discount, +500 for manual, another 1000-1500 from dealer and 1000 loyalty if you can do it

[Moonstruck]

Hey Buddy,

Did you finance through a bank to get this deal?

No we paid cash

[Moonstruck]

No problem:
Dealership is Lakeshore Honda in South Etobicoke.

Civic DX-A

MSRP 18290
Discounts: 3723 (includes cash discount+loyalty+standard transmission)
---------------------
Total sale price: 14567
PDI: 1310
AIR: 100
OMVIC: 5
-----------------------
TOTAL including Taxes: 17969




I used my HELOC at 3.25%

You should have got back $100 air tax. My mom got her & tank full of gas.

[Acuratl]

My mom paid $20,735.55 cash (include $3855 discount, PDI & taxes) for her DX-G model (Auto). Also she got $100 air tax back with $100 off & tank full of gas.

I paid 21,800 for my black civic LX coupe, AUTO 09, with tinted windows OTD cash purchase :P

[ernestchi]

very very nice deal, you should all be aiming for this

people paying in cash, aim for 1500 cash discount, +500 for manual, another 1000-1500 from dealer and 1000 loyalty if you can do it

The manufacturer rebate for manual transmission is no longer active is it? Is the loyalty rebate a strict policy? Or are dealerships allowed to offer it at their discretion to those purchasing their first honda?

[Tristan910]

I paid 21,800 for my black civic LX coupe, AUTO 09, with tinted windows OTD cash purchase :P

What? Serious? How is that possible? Demo? That's a $5800 discount from OTD MSRP! Where did you buy your car?

[albatman]

The manufacturer rebate for manual transmission is no longer active is it? Is the loyalty rebate a strict policy? Or are dealerships allowed to offer it at their discretion to those purchasing their first honda?

They needed to fax proof of ownership to Honda Canada. At least that what they told me.

[albatman]

You should have got back $100 air tax. My mom got her & tank full of gas.

Yes, I got that too... if you do the math, u find it in final price.

BTW, you got a nice deal, below invoice!.... taking money from holdbacks is like kicking the dealer in the balls.

[Acuratl]

They needed to fax proof of ownership to Honda Canada. At least that what they told me.

well, i got the discount since i do have a honda in my family, they never asked me for any proof after purchase though im sure somebody will call me when the dealership is balancing their books.

[HP_John]

What? Serious? How is that possible? Demo? That's a $5800 discount from OTD MSRP! Where did you buy your car?

I'm pretty sure in Alberta they don't have PST. He still got a great deal, just you can't compare the OTD price with Ont because of our PST.

[HP_John]

The manufacturer rebate for manual transmission is no longer active is it? Is the loyalty rebate a strict policy? Or are dealerships allowed to offer it at their discretion to those purchasing their first honda?

Manual rebate is gone. Loyalty rebate is from corporate, dealership has no discretion.

[evilution]

I got a quote for the new 2009 crv EX-L w/ nav
out the door, taxes included price of 37,000.
What do you think?
another dealer was offering 39,900.

I didn't talk about loyalty though.
I just found this thread and didn't see anyone quoting this model..

I am going to buy a carcostcanada membership.

[sir_belamy]

I got a quote for the new 2009 crv EX-L w/ nav
out the door, taxes included price of 37,000.
What do you think?
another dealer was offering 39,900.

I didn't talk about loyalty though.
I just found this thread and didn't see anyone quoting this model..

I am going to buy a carcostcanada membership.

I think that anyone spending close to 40K on a CRV is getting royally bent over.

[steve-0101]

I think that anyone spending close to 40K on a CRV is getting royally bent over.

That is a lot for a CR-V. I only paid a few thousand more than that for an MDX.

[steve-0101]

I got a quote for the new 2009 crv EX-L w/ nav
out the door, taxes included price of 37,000.
What do you think?
another dealer was offering 39,900.

I didn't talk about loyalty though.
I just found this thread and didn't see anyone quoting this model..

I am going to buy a carcostcanada membership.

I would like to say however that its nice to see someone actually buying a CCC membership instead of begging for a report.

[CalgaryJeremyK]

I got a quote for the new 2009 crv EX-L w/ nav
out the door, taxes included price of 37,000.
What do you think?
another dealer was offering 39,900.

I didn't talk about loyalty though.
I just found this thread and didn't see anyone quoting this model..

I am going to buy a carcostcanada membership.

Try Okotoks Honda. I didn't end up buying a Honda but I did pull a car cost canada report on an odyssey and they are the dealership that contacts you. I dealt with their sales manager (Asif) and he seemed like a straight forward guy and was willing to negotiate.

[royal]

Hi, I am looking for a Honda aswell, just a quick low down on what I am looking forward to purchase.

2009 Honda Civic Sport

I have been looking around for a long long time and the best price I have received so far.

Finance - $372.XX for 72 months (Tax Incl.) W/ $0 Down
Purchase Option - $23 631 (Tax Incl.)

I am probably going to go for the finance option as I do not have the cash to buy out the vehicle.

Now I am just wondering has anyone else received an option better than this or should I sign for this one?

Thanks for all the help.

[zzricezz]

On BNN today, it had a headlight saying Honda will reduce incentive by 17%. Anyone else hear anything about this?

[ferkel]

When will Honda will announce Canadian dealership closures? Markham and Formula Honda need to be shut down.

[Acuratl]

When will Honda will announce Canadian dealership closures? Markham and Formula Honda need to be shut down.

not sure about that, there is actually a new dealership airdrie honda opening here in Calgary...

[Mandor]

2 question for you guys. I'm looking to buy a 2009 Accord EXV6 sedan. CCC reports says 3k cash rebate and 1k loyalty program (I currently own a