Work or School in this meltdown

[clevelandindians]

unemployment rate hits new highs today again....

i'm graduating from university this yr..... doing a degree double major in sci/business....(not specialized in particular area) i was so sure that i'm going to get some job experience before I go back to school again.....honestly, i still dunno wut i want to do yet ...but as it seems, maybe there's not even be a job available by the time i graduate....

any soon-to-graduate ppl confused like i am??

anyone that can show me a light at the end of the tunnel? :confused: any advice would b greatly appreciated.....


also, if I decide to go back to school....I'll probably take some post-diploma program (designed for university graduates) that allow me to specialized in certain areas of business field....
wut colleges have good reputation??
i'm from Vancouver so i only know about BCIT....
r Sheridan and Seneca the good ones in Ontario? (cuz those are the colleges i've heard so far from other people)

thnx guys!

[UberN00b]

i havnt heard much of sheridan, but Seneca is growing.

[florider]

I saw job ads in the newspaper- just saying

[ameko]

george brown is quite popular too.

i know someone that graduated there and has a job at sunlife financial.

[BlueHurley]

All the recession talk is blown out of proportion, stoked by the media. If you go to a restaurant, sporting event, car dealership, etc. There having amazing sales. At least the ones I go to.

[blizzah]

All the recession talk is blown out of proportion, stoked by the media. If you go to a restaurant, sporting event, car dealership, etc. There having amazing sales. At least the ones I go to.


Don't disagree there.

But there is no question the stock market has tanked, which has hurt Joe Public the most, the ones who have RRSP, or personal investments etc in there. Also, with the many layoffs lately, it is getting harder to find a job and other examples.

[Tereno]

All the recession talk is blown out of proportion, stoked by the media. If you go to a restaurant, sporting event, car dealership, etc. There having amazing sales. At least the ones I go to.

It's always the case. Self fulfilling prophecy.. the more they provide negative news about the economy, the more investors fear and the economy will continue to go even further down.

[clevelandindians]

so what colleges are good that are out there for diploma programs?

BCIT? Seneca? George Brown?

[Shimso]

All the recession talk is blown out of proportion, stoked by the media. If you go to a restaurant, sporting event, car dealership, etc. There having amazing sales. At least the ones I go to.

True. The economy is definitely doing poorly but its not to the extent that the media is making it seem. Its just like how the media made it seem the $700B bailout in the states was needed and all it actually did was make the banks & Amex richer, while further entrenching Americans in debt...

[spudlauncher]

the demand for education goes up in times like this. So stay in school.
Most people that get laid off actually go back to school to upgrade themselves.

Education will always be an asset especially in ****** times like these

[sexpuppet6000]

All the recession talk is blown out of proportion, stoked by the media. If you go to a restaurant, sporting event, car dealership, etc. There having amazing sales. At least the ones I go to.

The media projects news as it sees fit. How you feel the media has projects news, either in proportion or out of proportion, is subject to how significant or insignificant you feel the news is in relation how ignorant you are, or how denyingly ignorant you are.

For all you know, we could be tenfold worse than the media has actually made it out to be.

[unowned]

All the recession talk is blown out of proportion, stoked by the media. If you go to a restaurant, sporting event, car dealership, etc. There having amazing sales. At least the ones I go to.

try telling that to people who have lost their jobs

[BadDrafter]

try telling that to people who have lost their jobs

I think he just did.

[divx]

I'm in the same position, will graduate but thought about staying in school. I've decided to get over with school and work, don't feel like dragging on when I don't have to.

[IceBlueShoes12]

I have no choice but to enter the job market.

I'm finishing up my BAH degree and I can't really go to college since I was there before going to university. I finished w/ a 3yr diploma.
Hopefully being able to speak 3 languages will help...
I'm not too worried, I supposed I could teach English overseas, but it's not something I really want to do all that much..

I know SOMETHING will come up...

[clevelandindians]

right now i'm switching gears to do CMA's Accelerated Program....
anyone CMAs or CMAs-to-be would like to share experience about life as a CMA??

[affy]

same situation

im finishing my BComm this semester, thinking of staying behind another year and adding another major...but I don't know if it would be a waste of time.

[amroache]

All the recession talk is blown out of proportion, stoked by the media. If you go to a restaurant, sporting event, car dealership, etc. There having amazing sales. At least the ones I go to.

+1. Bad news sells better than good news right. It's weird because everytime I enter the mall, I see the same amount of people I did in previous years.

[BlueHurley]

+1. Bad news sells better than good news right. It's weird because everytime I enter the mall, I see the same amount of people I did in previous years.

Exactly, went to the galleria in the states about a month ago, the place was packed.

[luual]

All the recession talk is blown out of proportion, stoked by the media. If you go to a restaurant, sporting event, car dealership, etc. They're***** having amazing sales. At least the ones I go to.

The car dealership part just makes this comment invalid. Consumer confidence levels IIRC is at the lowest since its been recorded. This past holiday season, retailers have had amazing sales because consumers are choosing to save money in this fiasco. Automakers especially the big 3 has had record losing quarters for years now and even Toyota is forcasted to have an operating loss this year, their first ever. I'm from Woodstock, Ontario, the site of Toyota's new plant that opened up in my hometown is only using half the capacity of their new plant. Please think before you speak, your just a naive highschool kid that has no idea what your talking about. It may be a little blown out of proportion by the media, but the economy is far worse then you think and will not get better if consumers don't spend. All the "amazing sales" your seeing is just to entice customers to spend.

[luual]

+1. Bad news sells better than good news right. It's weird because everytime I enter the mall, I see the same amount of people I did in previous years.

Really? And how confident are you that they are actually buying?

[BlueHurley]

The car dealership part just makes this comment invalid. Consumer confidence levels IIRC is at the lowest since its been recorded. This past holiday season, retailers have had amazing sales because consumers are choosing to save money in this fiasco. Automakers especially the big 3 has had record losing quarters for years now and even Toyota is forcasted to have an operating loss this year, their first ever. I'm from Woodstock, Ontario, the site of Toyota's new plant that opened up in my hometown is only using half the capacity of their new plant. Please think before you speak, your just a naive highschool kid that has no idea what your talking about.

I didn't say anything about Toyota or specific car companies, I went to two BMW dealers and they have been selling a lot of cars over the past months. "retailers have had amazing sales because consumers are choosing to save money in this fiasco" That makes absolutely no sense. "Your just a naive high school kid that has no idea what I'm talking about" really. I guess I should bow down to your superior knowledge. I guess that is what ryerson teaches you, should definately apply there.
I guess I'm just imagining things when I see sporting events, malls, and restaurants all packed. News flash, people don't won't the **** that the big 3 are trying to sell people, let alone offering insane wages, and outrageous pensions to their employees.

[Jay Hova]

right now i'm switching gears to do CMA's Accelerated Program....
anyone CMAs or CMAs-to-be would like to share experience about life as a CMA??

Go for it, there is a thread in the Careers forum about how a Canadian CMA-holder can work as a CPA in Australia.

[luual]

I didn't say anything about Toyota or specific car companies, I went to two BMW dealers and they have been selling a lot of cars over the past months. "retailers have had amazing sales because consumers are choosing to save money in this fiasco" That makes absolutely no sense.

Yes it does, retailers are forced to have amazing sale prices, eg the amazing 50-70 percent off during the Xmas season enticing customers to shop because many consumers are choosing to save in the tough economic environment instead of going shopping. (FOR EXAMPLE: The many Americans and Canadians, although not as many, have lost their jobs and can't afford to keep their homes aren't going to the mall are they?)

[luual]

I didn't say anything about Toyota or specific car companies, I went to two BMW dealers and they have been selling a lot of cars over the past months. "retailers have had amazing sales because consumers are choosing to save money in this fiasco" That makes absolutely no sense. "Your just a naive high school kid that has no idea what I'm talking about" really. I guess I should bow down to your superior knowledge. I guess that is what ryerson teaches you, should definately apply there.

I go there, so what? Bashing universities is stupid, thread after thread I see it being done.I ignore it most of the time, but not when it comes from a highschool student who hasn't studied at any university. You haven't gone out into the real world yet buddy.

[BlueHurley]

Yes it does, retailers are forced to have amazing sale prices, eg the amazing 50-70 percent off during the Xmas season enticing customers to shop because many consumers are choosing to save in the tough economic environment instead of going shopping. (FOR EXAMPLE: The many Americans and Canadians, although not as many, have lost their jobs and can't afford to keep their homes aren't going to the mall are they?)

How is spending more money saving? Also because a company lowers its prices, doesn't mean there sales are going up. Just means there selling more.

When a company announces its sales in for example the fourth quarter, they don't say they sold x amount of goods, but how much income they generated.

[luual]

How is spending more money saving? Also because a company lowers its prices, doesn't mean there sales are going up. Just means there selling more.

Buddy, if you don't understand my comment you shouldn't even deserve to go to Ryerson. The retailers who are suffering from sales drops due to the economy have too high of a SUPPLY of merchandise and to move merchandise they must make hard decisions like slash prices to increase consumer DEMAND. Supply and demand, not a hard concept. Consumer spending makes up something like 70 percent of the economy, so if consumers aren't spending or not spending as much as they were the economy is sure to tank. The only good thing that will come out of this is people will actually think twice before spending now cause what actually started this mess was people spent more than they had (eg: the millions of Americans who bought homes but couldn't pay off their mortgage which led to all the foreclosures and the financial sectors like Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac who had to swallow all the mortgages which led to investment banks like the Lehman Brothers bankrupting cause of bad investments, etc, etc, etc its a chain) Now do you get it?

[luual]

News flash, people don't won't the **** that the big 3 are trying to sell people, let alone offering insane wages, and outrageous pensions to their employees.

Hahaha, you want an actual newsflash?

Sales expected to decline this much for automakers in January:
GM - 38%
Ford - 30%
Chrysler - 48%
Nissan - 28%
Toyota - 30%
Honda 23%

And your right, not many consumers do want the products the big 3 sell and the pension and wages don't help them either, which turned out to be the big reason it took so long for the American gov't to give GM and Chrysler their bailout money. But that doesn't explain the reason for Nissan, Toyota, and Honda's sales do they? (Were 3 very strong performing companies in previous years) Its the economy and consumer spending as well as the reluctance to secure credit as a result of the credit crisis brought on by all the foreclosures(as mentioned above). And your very well performing BMW dealers?

From bloomberg: “If you go to dinner parties, there’s a certain atmosphere of almost fear in the air,” said Jim O’Donnell, president of BMW of North America LLC, which in 2008 had its first U.S. sales decline in 16 years. “People are sitting on the sidelines wondering what’s happening.”

Stop arguing and making stupid comments, actually get to know whats happening. These are actual newsflashes from CREDIBLE sourses
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aE7P22QvyOuI&refer=home

[BlueHurley]

Hahaha, you want an actual newsflash?

Sales expected to decline this much for automakers in January:
GM - 38%
Ford - 30%
Chrysler - 48%
Nissan - 28%
Toyota - 30%
Honda 23%

And your right, not many consumers do want the products the big 3 sell and the pension and wages don't help them either, which turned out to be the big reason it took so long for the American gov't to give GM and Chrysler their bailout money. But that doesn't explain the reason for Nissan, Toyota, and Honda's sales do they? (Were 3 very strong performing companies in previous years) Its the economy and consumer spending as well as the reluctance to secure credit as a result of the credit crisis brought on by all the foreclosures(as mentioned above). And your very well performing BMW dealers?

From bloomberg: “If you go to dinner parties, there’s a certain atmosphere of almost fear in the air,” said Jim O’Donnell, president of BMW of North America LLC, which in 2008 had its first U.S. sales decline in 16 years. “People are sitting on the sidelines wondering what’s happening.”

Stop arguing and making stupid comments, actually get to know whats happening. These are actual newsflashes from CREDIBLE sourses
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aE7P22QvyOuI&refer=home

Why do you keep bring up irrelevant information? You haven't answered a lot of my previous questions.
Do I see a stat of BMW CANADA in that, no. Everything else is just irrelevant. I haven't commented once on any of those other companies that aren't in the big 3, except for BMW in CANADA. Maybe I should start using caps like you, looks very nice.
Relevant CREDIBLE sources: http://www.newswire.ca/en/releases/archive/September2008/03/c9168.html
http://www.bmwccbc.org/news/teile/bmwnews.html

From BMW Canada "BMW Group Canada sales still hot despite cold January weather - sales up 29% over same month last year. Whitby, Ontario ... BMW Group Canada announced today record-breaking sales for the month of January, recording combined (BMW & MINI) automobile sales of 860 units a 29% increase over the same month last year."

[sexpuppet6000]

Wow, BlueHurley and Luual should get a room. I tried skimming through your little rant but it was so dullsville.

It is funny how people get into fights about one small feature and drag it onto be something completely irrelevant just so they can be 'right'. You guys have quotes from bloomberg and forecast numbers for like every auto maker.

Gosh. Who cares?

[DeimosBeros]

unemployment rate hits new highs today again....

i'm graduating from university this yr..... doing a degree double major in sci/business....(not specialized in particular area) i was so sure that i'm going to get some job experience before I go back to school again.....honestly, i still dunno wut i want to do yet ...but as it seems, maybe there's not even be a job available by the time i graduate....



Were I you, I'd get into the workplace ASAP. No sense in spending any more time in school only just to be over qualified, and further in debt. Unless you plan on going to med school...

Exactly, went to the galleria in the states about a month ago, the place was packed.


Hey I go to malls too, just to pass the time. I might see a lot of people packed in there on the weekend, but I sure as hell don't see them carrying bags full of merchandise out the mall with them.


Why do you keep bring up irrelevant information? You haven't answered a lot of my previous questions.
Do I see a stat of BMW CANADA in that, no. Everything else is just irrelevant. I haven't commented once on any of those other companies that aren't in the big 3, except for BMW in CANADA. Maybe I should start using caps like you, looks very nice.
Relevant CREDIBLE sources: http://www.newswire.ca/en/releases/archive/September2008/03/c9168.html
http://www.bmwccbc.org/news/teile/bmwnews.html

From BMW Canada "BMW Group Canada sales still hot despite cold January weather - sales up 29% over same month last year. Whitby, Ontario ... BMW Group Canada announced today record-breaking sales for the month of January, recording combined (BMW & MINI) automobile sales of 860 units a 29% increase over the same month last year."

I'd suggest you look at the dates in the articles. Some of them are actually old. One's from '03 and I think the other 2007? Credible maybe, but OLD.

http://www.nationalpost.com/related/topics/story.html?id=1174017