Do you think University students are better than College students?

[sexpuppet6000]

Yes or no. State reason.

[XxXSnake23XxX]

both yes and no, :confused::confused:
kinda a open ended question

[Sazafraz]

What do you mean by better?

[BornRuff]

Yes, in every way.

[sexpuppet6000]

both yes and no, :confused::confused:
kinda a open ended question

Yes it is. But the voter is the determiner. Under his or her own conditions is the question relevant.

[sexpuppet6000]

What do you mean by better?

Well, how would you define better?

Yes, in every way.

Ruff says: in every way

[XxXSnake23XxX]

then yes
because we just are

[yyyy]

Maybe it's because I just finished up my first semester, but it seems like most other college students don't have any work ethic at all and were generally disinterested in what we were learning. We'll see though this semester if those types moved on.

[board123]

The question itself is grammatically incorrect and ambiguous.

[XxXSnake23XxX]

The question itself is grammatically incorrect and ambiguous.

must be a collage student:lol:

[ids748]

What exactly do you mean by better?

I had to say no because I have been both. I've seen a bunch of retards in uni and college. University students think they are the best but they aren't.

[BlueHurley]

Hmm, lets see. In high school, College math was a full of a bunch of retards who all they did was go to the computer lab everyday and do "career finder assignments". Advanced Functions and Calculus I would say is about infinitely harder and you never get to do anything fun. Not that I've taken college math, but for the most part I'm sure some monkeys could be trained for that course.

There is definately a massive difference between college and university. Maybe not as much for some programs, but for the majority there is a big difference.

[Sazafraz]

Well, how would you define better?

Better as in:

We are on a higher level than they are, like we're Kings and they're Peasants?: No

Book smart?: Yes

Work Ethic?: For the most part, yes.

Pay?: Not really, some degrees are difficult to work with and often college grads make as much as university grads depending on the field.

University always the best option?: No, sometimes college is the way to go depending on the job you want.

Job Opportunities?: Yes, university trains you for a career and college trains you for a specific job, therefore there are more options for a university grad.


Now I know there are some odd cases but I am just making a generalization. Please don't argue with me that I am wrong because "I know someone who is such a hard worker in college and worked really hard in college courses in high school."

[Jon Lai]

Better as in:

We are on a higher level than they are, like we're Kings and they're Peasants?: No

Book smart?: Yes

Work Ethic?: For the most part, yes.

Pay?: Not really, some degrees are difficult to work with and often college grads make as much as university grads depending on the field.

University always the best option?: No, sometimes college is the way to go depending on the job you want.

Job Opportunities?: Yes, university trains you for a career and college trains you for a specific job, therefore there are more options for a university grad.


Now I know there are some odd cases but I am just making a generalization. Please don't argue with me that I am wrong because "I know someone who is such a hard worker in college and worked really hard in college courses in high school."

I agree with your post.

University students definitely have better work ethics than college students. Otherwise, it really depends on the program/career that one wishes to persue. College is hands on and university prepares you of knowledge, most of which you probably will never use again. However, I think the type of pressure and challenges that you learn through going to university is something that becomes very important in life and in the workforce, which college students do not get to experience.

Overall, I think university students make better employees.

Off topic: University students tend to work in companies without unions while college students tend to work in the labour force with union protection. University students prove that they deserve their pay and college students demand it by going on strike :P

Sorry.

[omchow]

must be a collage student:lol:

+1

[omchow]

I agree with your post.

University students definitely have better work ethics than college students. Otherwise, it really depends on the program/career that one wishes to persue. College is hands on and university prepares you of knowledge, most of which you probably will never use again. However, I think the type of pressure and challenges that you learn through going to university is something that becomes very important in life and in the workforce, which college students do not get to experience.

Overall, I think university students make better employees.

Off topic: University students tend to work in companies without unions while college students tend to work in the labour force with union protection. University students prove that they deserve their pay and college students demand it by going on strike :P

Sorry.

Good post Jon Lai.

Its true that you forced to learn and pass the exams of classes that you will never do and apply when you work. I read on some other form some guy who graduated from U of T Engineering that while he is graduated and working now, the only thing he remembers from U of T engineering is where the photocopy and pop machines were lol.

University students are forced and challenged to learn new things in university which prepares us to learn and apply new things while we working in this ever changing world.

[sweeper]

must be a collage student:lol:

Do you think University students better than College students?

You must go to Ryerson English then, if you think this question makes sense. :rolleyes:

This would be better: Do you think University students ARE better than College Students.

And the answer is no.

[sexpuppet6000]

Do you think University students better than College students?

You must go to Ryerson English then, if you think this question makes sense. :rolleyes:

This would be better: Do you think University students ARE better than College Students.

And the answer is no.

If you must nit-pick, the original title was "Are University students better than College students". Afterwards I altered the title from "Are.." to "Do you think", neglecting to make necessary corrections. Gosh you guys are such tight a.sses.

[XxXSnake23XxX]

Do you think University students better than College students?

You must go to Ryerson English then, if you think this question makes sense. :rolleyes:

This would be better: Do you think University students ARE better than College Students.

And the answer is no.

i didn't take english,
a science student so all my english has turned into bio terms.

[BlueHurley]

Since university is HARD, not everyone is suited for university.

University is big, impersonal and claustrophobic so it's not for everyone.

I thought that college is FREE but apparently not in Ontario (???).

College is free in some provinces? Your telling me the government funds them completely? Wow, I find that hard to believe.

[Justine]

Which group can find work easier? I have a uni degree and can't find work.

From what I understand, university makes you book smart, a lot of the learning is theory. And college prepares you more for job related tasks, practical knowledge.

[amroache]

Better as in:

We are on a higher level than they are, like we're Kings and they're Peasants?: No

Book smart?: Yes

Work Ethic?: For the most part, yes.

Pay?: Not really, some degrees are difficult to work with and often college grads make as much as university grads depending on the field.

University always the best option?: No, sometimes college is the way to go depending on the job you want.

Job Opportunities?:Yes, university trains you for a career and college trains you for a specific job, therefore there are more options for a university grad


Now I know there are some odd cases but I am just making a generalization. Please don't argue with me that I am wrong because "I know someone who is such a hard worker in college and worked really hard in college courses in high school."


I take issue with the bolded. Please tell what "career" I will be trained for with a BA in Sociology, BSc in biology, or a BA BSc psychology without having to go to grad school? If I get a dental hygiene diploma from college and pass the examinations that IS a career not just a job. Right now in my college and many others there are many students who are university graduates who are having trouble finding employment that matches there skills, much less a career. However I do agree that university is overall MUCH more challenging than college, but to say university grads have better employment options especially in this economy I don't agree with.

BTW Unless you are graduating from nursing school, accounting, engineering, or any other university health science program, I don't see how the employment prospects would be that good in comparising to other college, or trade school programs. Oh and also the OP's question was pretty vague, "better" could mean many things.

[amroache]

I agree with your post.

University students definitely have better work ethics than college students. Otherwise, it really depends on the program/career that one wishes to persue. College is hands on and university prepares you of knowledge, most of which you probably will never use again. However, I think the type of pressure and challenges that you learn through going to university is something that becomes very important in life and in the workforce, which college students do not get to experience.

Overall, I think university students make better employees.

Off topic: University students tend to work in companies without unions while college students tend to work in the labour force with union protection. University students prove that they deserve their pay and college students demand it by going on strike :P

Sorry.

Bolded is an interesting point, however you completely forgot about the pending elementary teachers strike that might happen this March. And last time I checked they were all university graduates.

[coolspot]

Pay?: Not really, some degrees are difficult to work with and often college grads make as much as university grads depending on the field.


A degree holder makes approximately 25 - 40% more than a diploma holder. Lots of government statistics online to back up my numbers.

[licious]

I take issue with the bolded. Please tell what "career" I will be trained for with a BA in Sociology, BSc in biology, or a BA BSc psychology without having to go to grad school? If I get a dental hygiene diploma from college and pass the examinations that IS a career not just a job. Right now in my college and many others there are many students who are university graduates who are having trouble finding employment that matches there skills, much less a career. However I do agree that university is overall MUCH more challenging than college, but to say university grads have better employment options especially in this economy I don't agree with.

BTW Unless you are graduating from nursing school, accounting, engineering, or any other university health science program, I don't see how the employment prospects would be that good in comparising to other college, or trade school programs. Oh and also the OP's question was pretty vague, "better" could mean many things.

I completely agree with all of that. I personally knew a lot of people who would have been better off going to college or learning a trade, instead of taking useless courses in university. They ended up wasting four years and having nothing to show for it.

[darkz]

It might just be my program, but a professor once told the class something that I find to hold up quite well after my years here at uni.

She told us "College creates workers, universities create professors."
As with Jon Lai, she pretty much acknowledged the fact that half the stuff we're learning at Uni is 'useless' unless you plan on becoming a professor.

[Jon Lai]

Bolded is an interesting point, however you completely forgot about the pending elementary teachers strike that might happen this March. And last time I checked they were all university graduates.

Yea, I realized there was a flaw somewhere, you picked up on it just now :)

But generally speaking that's the impression I get.

[Jon Lai]

As with Jon Lai, she pretty much acknowledged the fact that half the stuff we're learning at Uni is 'useless' unless you plan on becoming a professor.

Why'd you quote me? I said the same thing - well I said "most of" instead of "half of" :P

[Sazafraz]

A degree holder makes approximately 25 - 40% more than a diploma holder. Lots of government statistics online to back up my numbers.

It depends on the degree. Some people who can't find employment get desperate and take any job possibly related to their field even if the pay is crap. Therefore, a college graduate could very well make more than that person and there are hundreds of other examples.

I take issue with the bolded. Please tell what "career" I will be trained for with a BA in Sociology, BSc in biology, or a BA BSc psychology without having to go to grad school? If I get a dental hygiene diploma from college and pass the examinations that IS a career not just a job. Right now in my college and many others there are many students who are university graduates who are having trouble finding employment that matches there skills, much less a career. However I do agree that university is overall MUCH more challenging than college, but to say university grads have better employment options especially in this economy I don't agree with.

BTW Unless you are graduating from nursing school, accounting, engineering, or any other university health science program, I don't see how the employment prospects would be that good in comparising to other college, or trade school programs. Oh and also the OP's question was pretty vague, "better" could mean many things.

Yeah, better could mean a lot of things, that's why I asked about it and sexpuppet said that it's up to us to interpret it so I gave some examples of what could be meant by "better".

Whether or not they go to grad school, they are still University students right? There are a lot of options with the degrees you mentioned, but I am not saying all of them are good. You could get jobs with them, pay might be bad, or it might only be slightly related to your studies but those degrees are so ridiculously general that you could get a job in many areas, however grad school might be a good option if they want to make a decent living. People in university don't get a BA in Sociology to be a Sociologist, or a BSc in biology to be a Biologist, or a degree in psychology to become a Psychologist necessarily, whereas in college, the kind of diploma you get is basically the job you want.

[miss_swan]

Since university is HARD, not everyone is suited for university.

University is big, impersonal and claustrophobic so it's not for everyone.

I thought that college is FREE but apparently not in Ontario (???).

Honestly, if you actually thought that college is "FREE" ... it's makes me question the veracity of anything you present or say or what kind of experience you had to state this.

I'd like to know where in this country "college" is free? Would you not think that everyone would be going to college and then transferring to uni at the very last second to get "FREE" education?

Why spend big bucks at uni when you can get a free tax-subsidized education?

Obviously then uni students aren't that smart, at least economically, or that college is not free at all.

I think you're getting confused with the concept that college encompasses the mandate that education should be available to anyone who wants it - plus education is less expensive per credit hour in the college system than uni. That's true.

[Jon Lai]

Honestly, if you actually thought that college is "FREE" ... it's makes me question the veracity of anything you present or say or what kind of experience you had to state this.

I'd like to know where in this country "college" is free? Would you not think that everyone would be going to college and then transferring to uni at the very last second to get "FREE" education?

In Sweden post-secondary education is free. Yes, even universities.

[perplexed_one]

in short, no.

[BlueHurley]

In Sweden post-secondary education is free. Yes, even universities.

Most nordic countries have free post-secondary education. But in the end it all evens out by having to pay very high taxes.

[sunnyd71]

Honestly, if you actually thought that college is "FREE" ... it's makes me question the veracity of anything you present or say or what kind of experience you had to state this.

I'd like to know where in this country "college" is free? Would you not think that everyone would be going to college and then transferring to uni at the very last second to get "FREE" education?

Why spend big bucks at uni when you can get a free tax-subsidized education?

Obviously then uni students aren't that smart, at least economically, or that college is not free at all.

I think you're getting confused with the concept that college encompasses the mandate that education should be available to anyone who wants it - plus education is less expensive per credit hour in the college system than uni. That's true.

Maybe the person is from the U.K. (or many former British colonies) where college is closer to what we would consider high school than College and just got confused. Can't believe students are PAID to attend college in the U.K. but I guess thats what you get when you have sky high drop out rates.

[board123]

If you must nit-pick, the original title was "Are University students better than College students". Afterwards I altered the title from "Are.." to "Do you think", neglecting to make necessary corrections. Gosh you guys are such tight a.sses.
Actually, the original question was something that made no sense. Just recalling from memory here... I think the original question was something like "Do you think university students better college students?"

[2k1jdm]

I say no, it varies. I have been to both college and university and have spent good time in each. There are idiots in both college and university. I have met many college classmates who are career focused and go there to graduate in the exact program/career they want to pursue. They are also very smart people, that use COOP to get their current jobs Where as I met univeristy students who just go to get a degree because everyone else is doing it.
Unless you want to pursue on MBA's, law school, etc, then university will give you a definite advantage plus this is the point where "univeristy students are better".

Whether you finish with a degree or diploma, it all depends on YOU on how you start your career. Networking is key.

[sexpuppet6000]

Actually, the original question was something that made no sense. Just recalling from memory here... I think the original question was something like "Do you think university students better college students?"

Are you a douche?

the original title was: "Are University students better than College students". Afterwards I altered the title from "Are.." to "Do you think", neglecting to make necessary corrections.

The title of the thread, and the title of the poll were the same (LOOK AT THE TITLE OF THE POLL).

[limpid]

It's all relative. There is no such thing as a better person in my books. I go to College myself. I don't think a university student is "better" than me. Many university students probably think they are better than me but who cares, really?

Our lives won't end up being based on "who was better than you" in the end. Not mine, at least!

[Yukon Trooper]

What kind of question is this? What defines better? I bet there are countless college students who are 100 times brighter than many university students. Perhaps they just goofed around in high-school, so they're picking up the pieces now, or for whatever other reason.

Stupid poll.

[florider]

I'd like to know where in this country "college" is free?

College is free for Quebec residents.

High school in Quebec ends at grade 11.

People planning to go to university go to college (also known as CEGEP) for 2 years.

Then they go to university for 3 years (arts, science, commerce, etc) or 4 years (engineering), etc etc

People who don't want to go to university can take career programs at college (also known as CEGEP) for 3 years.

There are public colleges (free) and private colleges (not free).

And the reason why the education system is a bit different in Quebec is because there was a high drop-out rate in Quebec. The government wanted the population to stay in school longer and get educated.

TUITION FEES (PAYABLE EACH SEMESTER):

Canadian citizens, who are residents of Quebec, and those who have been admitted to Canada, and reside in Quebec as Permanent Residents, do not pay tuition fees.

• Students who are non-residents of Quebec
A fee is charged when there is no proof that either the student or the parent/legal guardian is a Quebec resident.
- Students born in Quebec are exempt from the fee.
- For 2007-2008, Full time students: $990 per semester


The English public college campuses are beautiful too:

http://www.vaniercollege.qc.ca/finance/fees.html

http://www.dawsoncollege.qc.ca/registrar/fees.php

Anyways, I was surprised when looking at 2 Ontario college websites that the tuition fees are over $2000. I thought that the Ontario colleges are free like in Quebec.

[limpid]

What kind of question is this? What defines better? I bet there are countless college students who are 100 times brighter than many university students. Perhaps they just goofed around in high-school, so they're picking up the pieces now, or for whatever other reason.

Stupid poll.

LoL. I am one of those guys. I always got by. Never failed any classes. Never tried my hardest and now later in life after working at a great job that paid very well (considering my lack of education at the time) I am kind of paying for it all now. I am labeled possibly as a silly person until people get to know me better. School is no different. From staff to classmates... it's always going to feel like people are trying to be better than you. The main point should be placed on bettering yourself and the people around you. All within reason.

[limpid]

College is free for Quebec residents.

High school in Quebec ends at grade 11.

People planning to go to university go to college (also known as CEGEP) for 2 years.

Then they go to university for 3 years (arts, science, commerce, etc) or 4 years (engineering), etc etc

People who don't want to go to university can take career programs at college (also known as CEGEP) for 3 years.

There are public colleges (free) and private colleges (not free).

And the reason why the education system is a bit different in Quebec is because there was a high drop-out rate in Quebec. The government wanted the population to stay in school longer and get educated.

TUITION FEES (PAYABLE EACH SEMESTER):

Canadian citizens, who are residents of Quebec, and those who have been admitted to Canada, and reside in Quebec as Permanent Residents, do not pay tuition fees.

• Students who are non-residents of Quebec
A fee is charged when there is no proof that either the student or the parent/legal guardian is a Quebec resident.
- Students born in Quebec are exempt from the fee.
- For 2007-2008, Full time students: $990 per semester


The English public college campuses are beautiful too:

http://www.vaniercollege.qc.ca/finance/fees.html

http://www.dawsoncollege.qc.ca/registrar/fees.php

Anyways, I was surprised when looking at 2 Ontario college websites that the tuition fees are over $2000. I thought that the Ontario colleges are free like in Quebec.

No sir. Every last thing cost more in Ontario!

[sweeper]

Are you a douche?

the original title was: "Are University students better than College students". Afterwards I altered the title from "Are.." to "Do you think", neglecting to make necessary corrections.

The title of the thread, and the title of the poll were the same (LOOK AT THE TITLE OF THE POLL).

Wrong.

Do you think University students better than College students?

Was the original title. It's okay, everyone makes elementary spelling mistakes from time to time.

BTW might I ask which university you attend?

[NiMSo]

Job Opportunities?: Yes, university trains you for a career and college trains you for a specific job, therefore there are more options for a university grad.

Overall, I think university students make better employees

No, I don't think that's an accurate assessment. University does not necessarily improve your career opportunities nor increase your abilities as an employee - it varies depending on the career. It definitely prepares you for certain specific fields (academia, etc.), but in general, I don't think a university graduate is inherently better than a college graduate - this is just some maligned misconception that society seems to carry.

University is often defined as "higher learning"... Perhaps that's true, but that still doesn't mean that it's better and/or the right choice for everyone. Nowadays the general belief is that university will ultimately lead to a better future. However, I totally disagree with that notion. Many people go into university without any plan as they just think it's the right step forward. But if you don't have a specific direction, then you might just end up with some miscellaneous degree after the end of several years, and it may not necessarily prepare you for any specific job. University is great for students who wish to pursue professional careers or a life in academia, but otherwise provides limited opportunity to develop any practical skills. Depending on your intended career path, college may be a better route for some people.

Comparison of university and college students is a bit tricky. Since university admission requirements are higher, it's likely that students in university are generally more "book smart". However, if you take a given student and train him/her in either university or college, I don't believe that he/she would be a better worker after going through university as opposed to college. Performance is defined by an individual's own motivation and talents, not by their choice of educational institution.

[sexpuppet6000]

Wrong.

Do you think University students better than College students?

Was the original title. It's okay, everyone makes elementary spelling mistakes from time to time.

BTW might I ask which university you attend?

Whatever you are smoking, I want in!

How are you so sure what the original title was when I was the one who posted it? For all you know, the original title could have been "I am the Prince of Wales". The title of the thread could have been changed several times up to the point when you first introduced yourself to the thread, thus, you could never be sure, or know, what the original title was.

[BlueHurley]

Wrong.

Do you think University students better than College students?

Was the original title. It's okay, everyone makes elementary spelling mistakes from time to time.

BTW might I ask which university you attend?

What a moron. May I ask which post-secondary institute you attended? Anybody with half a brain would realize that "Do you think University student better than College students" is a grammatical error, not a spelling error. When you insult someone for spelling mistakes, make sure you accusation is correct and well warranted.

[phd1969]

You can't give a definite answer to such a blanket question. Overall I university students are "better" than college students. But you'll find idiots in both, just less so at university.

[zyphere]

No, I don't think that's an accurate assessment. University does not necessarily improve your career opportunities nor increase your abilities as an employee - it varies depending on the career. It definitely prepares you for certain specific fields (academia, etc.), but in general, I don't think a university graduate is inherently better than a college graduate - this is just some maligned misconception that society seems to carry.

University is often defined as "higher learning"... Perhaps that's true, but that still doesn't mean that it's better and/or the right choice for everyone. Nowadays the general belief is that university will ultimately lead to a better future. However, I totally disagree with that notion. Many people go into university without any plan as they just think it's the right step forward. But if you don't have a specific direction, then you might just end up with some miscellaneous degree after the end of several years, and it may not necessarily prepare you for any specific job. University is great for students who wish to pursue professional careers or a life in academia, but otherwise provides limited opportunity to develop any practical skills. Depending on your intended career path, college may be a better route for some people.

Comparison of university and college students is a bit tricky. Since university admission requirements are higher, it's likely that students in university are generally more "book smart". However, if you take a given student and train him/her in either university or college, I don't believe that he/she would be a better worker after going through university as opposed to college. Performance is defined by an individual's own motivation and talents, not by their choice of educational institution.

I do agree that there's no way to say for sure. A lot of factors need to be taken into account, like the career of the individual, the individual's own motivation/personality, etc. There are some fields where a college degree is all you need and anything else is impractical, and others where an university degree is the requirement. The only thing that can be said for sure, as you pointed out, is that universities do have harder admission requirements. College-prep high school classes are quite a bit easier than university-prep classes, from what I've seen at least. Admission averages for universities are also higher, adding to the tougher entrance requirements. I've never taken a course in college so I can't say anything about the difficulty of the material there.

Overall and very generally speaking though, I do think that university does benefit your career opportunities. You mentioned that the whole university student superiority thing is just a maligned misconception that society seems to carry. That may be true, but it's also that misconception that may make the university graduate more desirable for many jobs. After all, it's people that make the hiring decisions, and they may have those same misconceptions.

In addition to that, most college programs are tailored more towards entry to mid-level jobs that are often administrative or clerical. They do a good job at this too, better than universities, I'd argue. I have friends studying some form of HR (or HRM), some in college and some in universities. From looking at their curriculum, I can tell that the college students typically get more job-relevant/specific training than the university students. This includes training them on the use of certain computer software, methods, and techniques that they will often have to apply in an actual workplace, the practical skills training that you mentioned. Universities tend not to prepare students as well in that respect. The result is that a college grad, when first entering the workforce in this kind of entry-level position, may be more successful and adept at their jobs than the university student who has not received this kind of training. Exceptions to this, of course, are the top-tier business schools that try to do everything to make their grads successful, heh.

As you said, if a person goes to university without any sense of direction, then it doesn't benefit them any more than a college diploma (ir may even put them at a disadvantage). But overall, assuming that both college student and university student had a sense of direction, the university student could likely end up with a better career in some sort of professional job.

About your point on motivation, I would argue that it's likely for an university student to be more motivated than a college student. This is of course, speaking very generally again as there are many factors that can't be accounted for. I say this because university students are often the ones that put in more effort in high school to get where they are and are willing to spend the four years (versus the two or three in college) for a degree. Academic success is not just about "book smarts," a lot of it is effort. Some college students are in college simply because they were lazy in high school and wanted an easy way to get a white-collared job. Of course, others do it because they can't afford the extra years of school in university, or because there are specific college programs they want entry into (like graphic design is a popular one), etc. So once again, hard to say really.

I think that overall, if someone were to conduct some sort of research study on this, there would likely be marginally significant difference between university grads and college grads. This does not mean, however, that if you're faced with an university grad and a college grad, that the university grad is automatically better.

[sweeper]

Whatever you are smoking, I want in!

How are you so sure what the original title was when I was the one who posted it? For all you know, the original title could have been "I am the Prince of Wales". The title of the thread could have been changed several times up to the point when you first introduced yourself to the thread, thus, you could never be sure, or know, what the original title was.

You haven't answered my question.

BlueHurley: UTSG Life Sciences/Sociology.

[sweeper]

What a moron. May I ask which post-secondary institute you attended? Anybody with half a brain would realize that "Do you think University student better than College students" is a grammatical error, not a spelling error. When you insult someone for spelling mistakes, make sure you accusation is correct and well warranted.

silly me

[BlueHurley]

very silly

[penquinbum]

Bolded is an interesting point, however you completely forgot about the pending elementary teachers strike that might happen this March. And last time I checked they were all university graduates.

Hey, don't forget the teaching assistants and contract faculty at York. :!:Dollars to donuts all those folks are university grads too.:idea: Amazing how university grads can be easily led by unions :confused:but that's likely something for another thread.

A friend once told me that you go to university for an education but you go to a college to become employable.

[Sazafraz]

A friend once told me that you go to university for an education but you go to a college to become employable.

That is partially true. College is essentially job training whereas university is more for getting a bunch of theoretical knowledge on a certain subject and then getting a job with that. But I wouldn't saying going to university makes you unemployable:lol:

[penquinbum]

That is partially true. College is essentially job training whereas university is more for getting a bunch of theoretical knowledge on a certain subject and then getting a job with that. But I wouldn't saying going to university makes you unemployable:lol:

Hopefully, university makes one more employable but I guess in Ontario at least a community college gives training in some fields that do not require a great mass of theoretical knowledge and in many cases would be taught at a university elsewhere. I am thinking of such things as the funeral services program at Humber College. :eek:(Or for that program: Slumber College.) or even courses such as Journalism that you can study at either a college (most seem to offer it.... or at a university...Rye, Carleton, Western.) Actually the whole concept of the poll that started this thread is rather silly especially in light of the fact that many colleges are offering degrees and they and others run combined University degrees / College diplomas in conjunction with various universities.:D

[phomp]

Many students go to both...

But what does it mean by better?

I know auto mechcanics who have gone to college and got a diploma who got hired faster than a student who went to university trying to become an auto tech for example.

[zyphere]

Many students go to both...

But what does it mean by better?

I know auto mechcanics who have gone to college and got a diploma who got hired faster than a student who went to university trying to become an auto tech for example.

I do not understand why someone would go to university trying to become an auto tech.

If you want to fix cars, go to college. If you want to design them, go to university.

[mgronqui]

University + Coop > College

[zyphere]

What about college + coop? Is that >= university without coop? Hmm..

[BadDrafter]

Some smart people don't even bother going to college nor university.
Could be that their family is poor and they want to go to work right away.

Sometimes fertile seeds fall on dead earth. As a fertile seed who fell on dry earth (kicked out when I was 14 and put into a coma for many years), I must say, given the chance, I would have gone to university.

I went to college saved up 100K, and now I am in university. I have a trade and can always make more money if I need to, so I'm not too worried about lost money. I am also 27 years old.

So many doors are closed to you with just a college diploma. Now more than ever, with millions (and millions) of highly educated workers from India and China to compete with. Its a global world now.

I recommend anybody with some spare time to read Outliers: The Story of Success by by Malcolm Gladwell.

http://www.amazon.com/Outliers-Story-Success-Malcolm-Gladwell/dp/0316017922

It also debunks the myth of 'self made men' and includes an interview with Bill Gates.
There is also a sad story included about a man with a high IQ (195) but never got a decent shot at a university education.

Edit: Having been in both, I must say that college is a cakewalk and felt like high school II. To me, university feels like serious business.

[board123]

Are you a douche?
See my sig.


the original title was: "Are University students better than College students".
No it was not, and I'm not high right now. Judging from the way I write, it's pretty obvious that I'm one of those spelling/grammar Nazis. When something irks me, it irks me for a reason and I remember it.

[windforcexx28]

performance is defined by an individual's own motivation and talents, not by their choice of educational institution.
+1

[themagekiler]

I'm at centennial college right now first year and there are some uoft joint programme students in my microbiology techniques class. Lets see how they do compared to me in a practical sense ^_^.

[Johan Liebert]

I said Yes for mine since its half University and Half College. Gotta love Ryerson Architecture Program.

[DaVibe]

No because you're not learning anything about the actual job to get you into the workplace.
In College, you can and you are.

I say this as a University student and having a girlfriend who's been through both college and now University.

[Gloaming]

I've met losers with University degrees, and I've met high achievers with College certificates.

[BlueHurley]

No because you're not learning anything about the actual job to get you into the workplace.

What? What program are you in. I can see in first year university you don't learn that much towards potential jobs. Also in college your training for a specific job, while in university your being taught for many different potential professions.

[BlueHurley]

I've met losers with University degrees, and I've met high achievers with College certificates.

I love how a lot of this thread is just bashing university and making college look outstanding.

[betheone2]

University students are better than college students in areas of which university is good for.

Ie a university student majoring in business/sciences/IT, obviously by far will learn more and know more and when they get jobs, will fit those jobs better

same can be said for college though. a college nurse might be better than someone with a uni degree for nursing because they get hands on experience. but its totally different if ur comparing something like a university student in finance whos probably equiped to become a financial banker versus a student taking finance in college who is most likely to come out and become a counter person.

[amroache]

I love how a lot of this thread is just bashing university and making college look outstanding.


It goes both ways, I've read countless posts pretty much degrading college education, while in the same breath glorifying how amazing a university degree is for your career.

[amroache]

University students are better than college students in areas of which university is good for.

Ie a university student majoring in business/sciences/IT, obviously by far will learn more and know more and when they get jobs, will fit those jobs better

same can be said for college though. a college nurse might be better than someone with a uni degree for nursing because they get hands on experience. but its totally different if ur comparing something like a university student in finance whos probably equiped to become a financial banker versus a student taking finance in college who is most likely to come out and become a counter person.

Those are pretty good examples of where a uni education is better for career options, and vice versa.

[user01]

You haven't answered my question.

BlueHurley: UTSG Life Sciences/Sociology.

I believe sexpuppet mentions once that he goes to College. Why in the hell would he make a thread like this? It's obvious he is College student. In reply to the thread topic, I disagree with it and why? College students doesn't have much expectations but they do learn about the workplace essentials and the courses they learn would be something they will eventually remember unlike University. Basically, College is like a summary to University..... :cheesygri:cheesygri:cheesygri:cheesygri:cheesygri

[Tomato_1]

because on average uni students are smarter.

[penquinbum]

I've met losers with University degrees, and I've met high achievers with College certificates.

...and vice versa, too I'll bet. :lol:

This is really a rather pointless thread. If I want a really good auto mechanic, I'll probably find someone who spent some time in a community college. If I want a Doctor or a CA, I'll get someon who went to university. It all depends on what you want out of a post secondary experience.

Maybe we could also look at how Ontarians,particularly, have misinterpreted the word 'college' and used it in an attempt to somehow confer second class status on the word. College and University are pretty well interchangeable terms outside of Ontario. I went to college! I did my undergrad in the US and although I went to an Ivy League university all undergraduates were members of a "college"....much like you find at Oxford, Cambridge, U ofT, York and Western. I did not go to Dartmouth, another Ivy League school, but have you ever noticed that it is Dartmouth College.....not Dartmouth University. ( At the school I attended the undergrad college had the same name as the university and was a relatively small part of it. You can figure that one out.):cheesygri:D

[penquinbum]

because on average uni students are smarter.

..and of course as a university student you have the empirical evidence to suport this statement. :idea: As I said previously this thread is pointless, although it does provide some harmless entertainment which I guess makes it okay.;)

[limpid]

I love how a lot of this thread is just bashing university and making college look outstanding.

I love how all your threads are pumping university. I think this whole thread is just silly. What are we? 5?

[limpid]

because on average uni students are smarter.

Out of 12 of my friends who went to uni 6 of them are write-off's. They'd be skinned cattle in a winter storm if it weren't for their mummy and daddy.

Money buys you an education. I seen it with this one girl I know who goes to York. I saw a amazing, bright kid get rejected from York but got in to Guelph. The girl.... dumb as nails. The biggest air-head you'll ever meet but she is a kind person. She doesn't have what it takes to make it. She'd take all night to read a simple chapter. She is also happy the strike is still going on. She is also one in a thousand so just like every other post here, this is totally useless!

[Justine]

A couple airhead girls that I went to uwaterloo with ending up going to other universities b.c their grades were so bad (one switched to lakehead, one to windsor) are now teachers. Seems that the default thing to do nowadays, be a teacher, for girls anyway.

[BlueHurley]

I love how all your threads are pumping university. I think this whole thread is just silly. What are we? 5?

I've made a thread about pumping university? Hmm, ok.

[coolspot]

A couple airhead girls that I went to uwaterloo with ending up going to other universities b.c their grades were so bad (one switched to lakehead, one to windsor) are now teachers. Seems that the default thing to do nowadays, be a teacher, for girls anyway.

Gives you great hope for our future generations huh...

I love how a lot of this thread is just bashing university and making college look outstanding.

Statistics clearly show on average a university student on average earns 50% more than a college student...

[BadDrafter]

Gives you great hope for our future generations huh...


Why teach when you can do? Its not like they are becoming university professors.

[windforcexx28]

you can argue university > college in a theoretical sense, but that does not mean university students are better than college students

[BlueHurley]

Out of 12 of my friends who went to uni 6 of them are write-off's. They'd be skinned cattle in a winter storm if it weren't for their mummy and daddy.

Money buys you an education. I seen it with this one girl I know who goes to York. I saw a amazing, bright kid get rejected from York but got in to Guelph. The girl.... dumb as nails. The biggest air-head you'll ever meet but she is a kind person. She doesn't have what it takes to make it. She'd take all night to read a simple chapter. She is also happy the strike is still going on. She is also one in a thousand so just like every other post here, this is totally useless!

There write-offs because their parents paid for their education? Hmm, don't see the rationale behind that.

[brocoli]

Didn't read any posts and posted college because that's where I am. I take Finance and believe that what I am learning in college beats the hell out of what I would be learning in uni. I don't plan to be a portfolio manager or anything, but I have been told by many CEOs and so fourth that the hands on learning we are taught is exactly what they look for. I still plan on getting my B.comm in Financial Services but that's just because I am already in school, I might as well get as many letters after my name as soon as possible, in a resonable time of course. I am also thankful I didn't have to pay what you need to for university. I am not given anything from my parents, but they make to much for me to claim OSAP. If I had to pay for uni, I would just be working somewhere and not have even tried.

[michael_wong_e]

of course university is so much harder

[OpportunityChaos]

voted yes because i think university graduates (the ones that actually finish university) goes through harder course work.

it also takes hard work to finish college, but comparing university level to college level work, university is definately harder and on paper seems better than college.

no disrepect to anyone that goes to college. i know that anyone who chooses to pursue a post secondary education no matter the level can have potential to be an excellent worker when they graduate.



btw after you graduate from a 4 year program in university you can put BA, BCOMM, Bsci or whatever after your name.

can you put anything after your name after graduating from certificate or diploma college programs? i'm just curious.

[betheone2]

When you compare students from both institutions, you will find that though college students are reluctant to admit it, the excuse for not being in university is more of an intellect issue, than a financial issue or personal preference.

Not that I'm saying their stupid, just perhaps when it came to academics during 'that' crucial time of grade 12, they were shorthanded.

[CSK'sMom]

Well I guess according to a whole bunch who've replied in this thread record numbers applying to colleges means nothing. ;) Across this province college applications are up by 10% for Jan starts. Some colleges, like our sons, is actually up 28% for Jan starts and was up 12% for fall starts compared to 5% province wide. It's the fastest growing college in Ont and has just broken ground on a 50 million dollar campus redevelopment program. The college app deadline for Fall 09 isn't until Feb 2nd and already the whispers are suggesting another double digit increase across the province.

[BlueHurley]

Good, less competition at university.

[BadDrafter]

Well I guess according to a whole bunch who've replied in this thread record numbers applying to colleges means nothing. ;)

I highly doubt anybody meant that. College counts for something, if not a peg above unskilled labor.

I for one, credit my college education for my ability to pay for my university education. I don't have to work crummy sub 30 dollar an hour jobs if I need money.

[amroache]

voted yes because i think university graduates (the ones that actually finish university) goes through harder course work.

it also takes hard work to finish college, but comparing university level to college level work, university is definately harder and on paper seems better than college.

no disrepect to anyone that goes to college. i know that anyone who chooses to pursue a post secondary education no matter the level can have potential to be an excellent worker when they graduate.



btw after you graduate from a 4 year program in university you can put BA, BCOMM, Bsci or whatever after your name.

can you put anything after your name after graduating from certificate or diploma college programs? i'm just curious.


It depends. Say for example you graduate from a respiratory therapist program. You're not able to practice once you've written an exam that proves your competence, then your able to add RRT after your name. But if you graduate from a program, and there are no exams in order to practice in whatever profession you are pursuing then I don't believe you could.

[funnykid]

It depends. Say for example you graduate from a respiratory therapist program. You're not able to practice once you've written an exam that proves your competence, then your able to add RRT after your name. But if you graduate from a program, and there are no exams in order to practice in whatever profession you are pursuing then I don't believe you could.

I think you're right. For Pharmacy Technicians who will very soon be regulated, they could put RPhT after their names if they graduate from the 2-year program in college and pass the PEBC Technicians exam.

[aerolim]

I think it really depends as well. I personally think some college programs are so much better than getting useless major in university (something like medieval studies, classical studies etc). Also I know few people with college degree who have a 6 digit income as well. I think it really depends on people not on the education.

[makilla]

I think that definitively on an average university students have stronger work ethic and a more difficult course load (most of my friends college text books are a joke). That being said not all uni students are better, some hardworking and smart people go to college and do extremely well in them, on the other hand some that are slackers struggle in colleges,or do well in them ,then transfer to university and have a really hard time getting the marks.