McMaster health science-what mark needed get into program-final year of highskool?

[1barginxhunter91]

Im in my final year of highschool and applying to Mcmaster and western and i was wondering what marks you guy had getting into this program anybody that has gotten accepted into this program in the last two years i would like to hear from you guys any input would be apperciated thanks!

[blizzah]

Im in my final year of highschool and applying to Mcmaster and western and i was wondering what marks you guy had getting into this program anybody that has gotten accepted into this program in the last two years i would like to hear from you guys any input would be apperciated thanks!

They say that marks are secondary to extra curiculars, however from teh 3 people from my high school that were accepted last year, all had ~95.

I had 91-92 at midterm time, and was rejected hehe.

[hi-everyone]

I don't know what makes McMaster Health Science any different than other universities' health science (beside the student quality of course) ???:confused:

[blizzah]

I don't know what makes McMaster Health Science any different than other universities' health science (beside the student quality of course) ???:confused:

"Inquiry" based learning. Closer knit group of students, great help from school to help the students into prof/grad schools, and of course, a smarter/more motivated entrance class.

[XxXSnake23XxX]

They say that marks are secondary to extra curiculars, however from teh 3 people from my high school that were accepted last year, all had ~95.

I had 91-92 at midterm time, and was rejected hehe.

+1!
my friend got rejected with 92 aswell,
art sciences is even worse

[blizzah]

+1!
my friend got rejected with 92 aswell,
art sciences is even worse

Art Sciences requires a lower average though?

I don't know anyone there though.

Apparently, HS don't even learn calc first year..

[XxXSnake23XxX]

Art Sciences requires a lower average though?

I don't know anyone there though.

Apparently, HS don't even learn calc first year..

really? didn't know that, but itsn't it the most competative?
dont they only accept 100 people or so?
more exclusive than health sci?

[blizzah]

really? didn't know that, but itsn't it the most competative?
dont they only accept 100 people or so?
more exclusive than health sci?

Not sure, never really looked into it.

Still kinda regret not getting into Health Sci, but U of T is alright.

[funnykid]

I was accepted into Health Sciences at Mac with a 93 back a few years ago. It accepted 160 people back then. Arts and Science accepted around 60 people. My friend got accepted with a 96-97.

[XxXSnake23XxX]

I was accepted into Health Sciences at Mac with a 93 back a few years ago. It accepted 160 people back then. Arts and Science accepted around 60 people. My friend got accepted with a 96-97.

thought so, friend got shot down with a 95 for art sci

[omchow]

I understand how health science has a smaller entrance of students so smaller classrooms for learning, but what are the differences between life science and health science?

[myster]

I understand how health science has a smaller entrance of students so smaller classrooms for learning, but what are the differences between life science and health science?

http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/showthread.php?t=535508 :lol:

[blizzah]

I understand how health science has a smaller entrance of students so smaller classrooms for learning, but what are the differences between life science and health science?

Everyone gets into Life Sci. Not everyone gets into Health Sci

[kkentm]

From browsing multiple pre-med forums for a countless number of hours, I've come to a general understanding of how to get into Health Sci at Mac, which is to do incredibly well on the supplementary application. From what I've heard from inside sources, acceptance is based primarily on how well you do on the supplementary, and marks and EC are pretty much used for tie breaking.

So basically, you have to be exceptionally good at English to get into Health Sci, as the supplementary applications consists of 3 "short answer" questions that are max. 1500 words each (so not really short answer).

Anyways, if your aim of getting into Health Sci is to eventually go to Med school, there are plenty of other options. Unless you are an exceptional student with above 95% average (which is the mean average of accepted applicants) and are confident that when you enter this program you can still outshine the rest of the students and stay ahead of the bell curve by pulling off a 3.8+ GPA, I would look elsewhere.

Personally, I know a friend, son of 2 practicing physicians, whose 3 older brothers were all accepted into Health Sci with 95~ high school averages. You know what they did? Packed their bags and headed off to med school in Australia. I might just do that as well when the time comes =P. Anyways, good luck to anyone pursuing a career as a doctor in Canada. You've still got a helluva way to go.

[HBP]

From browsing multiple pre-med forums for a countless number of hours, I've come to a general understanding of how to get into Health Sci at Mac, which is to do incredibly well on the supplementary application. From what I've heard from inside sources, acceptance is based primarily on how well you do on the supplementary, and marks and EC are pretty much used for tie breaking.

So basically, you have to be exceptionally good at English to get into Health Sci, as the supplementary applications consists of 3 "short answer" questions that are max. 1500 words each (so not really short answer).

Anyways, if your aim of getting into Health Sci is to eventually go to Med school, there are plenty of other options. Unless you are an exceptional student with above 95% average (which is the mean average of accepted applicants) and are confident that when you enter this program you can still outshine the rest of the students and stay ahead of the bell curve by pulling off a 3.8+ GPA, I would look elsewhere.

Personally, I know a friend, son of 2 practicing physicians, whose 3 older brothers were all accepted into Health Sci with 95~ high school averages. You know what they did? Packed their bags and headed off to med school in Australia. I might just do that as well when the time comes =P. Anyways, good luck to anyone pursuing a career as a doctor in Canada. You've still got a helluva way to go.


Uh.. no bell curve for health sci. Class averages are usually A-/A anyways, no need to outshine. The program is set-up to give these students a cake-walk to medschool.

About 30-40 spots in each application cycle at Mac med school are taken up by Health sci students. It would probably be more, but I bet the majority of others head to UofT, US schools and perhaps Western. Either way, going into this program makes it easier to get into med schools rather than harder as your post implies.

[kkentm]

Uh.. no bell curve for health sci. Class averages are usually A-/A anyways, no need to outshine. The program is set-up to give these students a cake-walk to medschool.

About 30-40 spots in each application cycle at Mac med school are taken up by Health sci students. It would probably be more, but I bet the majority of others head to UofT, US schools and perhaps Western. Either way, going into this program makes it easier to get into med schools rather than harder as your post implies.

What I was trying to say was that if you are a competent student who can pull off a 95%+ average in high school without fully exerting yourself, then Health Sci at Mac may be the right program to get you into med school. However, I'm assuming the OP is not this type of student as his post displays a lack of confidence on his part.

Entering Health Sci at Mac as a below average student in the program would most likely be detrimental to both your learning and your chance at Med school. I was suggesting to the OP that there are other options for less competent students who intend on getting into Med school.

I'd also like to add that despite there being a high portion of Health Sci alumni who are eventually admitted into medical school, this percentage is on an obvious decline. You can see for yourself on McMaster's website.

[HBP]

What I was trying to say was that if you are a competent student who can pull off a 95%+ average in high school without fully exerting yourself, then Health Sci at Mac may be the right program to get you into med school. However, I'm assuming the OP is not this type of student as his post displays a lack of confidence on his part.

Entering Health Sci at Mac as a below average student in the program would most likely be detrimental to both your learning and your chance at Med school. I was suggesting to the OP that there are other options for less competent students who intend on getting into Med school.

I'd also like to add that despite there being a high portion of Health Sci alumni who are eventually admitted into medical school, this percentage is on an obvious decline. You can see for yourself on McMaster's website.

No it wouldn't, cuz the program is made to be easy. Kinda like Harvard programs, hard to get in but easy as cake to score well (hence the A-/A averages -- but I doubt you read my post anyways). You're set when you get in with their problem-based learning approach.

I should add:

In the past two years, acceptances into Mac medicine for healthsci students had been 30 and 40 out of about 160. This is at mac alone, not considering the rest of the ON med schools (and the rest of the world for that matter). So, I'm not sure where you're basing the obvious "decline" from. Anyways, last from me in this thread.

Source: http://fhs.mcmaster.ca/mdprog/documents/Selection_Class_of_2010.pdf
http://fhs.mcmaster.ca/mdprog/documents/2011stats_000.pdf

[kkentm]

In the past two years, acceptances into Mac medicine for healthsci students had been 30 and 40 out of about 160. This is at mac alone, not considering the rest of the ON med schools (and the rest of the world for that matter). So, I'm not sure where you're basing the obvious "decline" from.


We're talking about 2 completely different things. You're stating that the number of Health Sci grads accepted into McMaster's own medical program has remained consistent, which is why you don't understand what i meant when I said that there is an obvious decline each year in the percentage of Health Sci alumni that are admitted into any medical school.

Great reading comprehension, btw.

[HBP]

We're talking about 2 completely different things. You're stating that the number of Health Sci grads accepted into McMaster's own medical program has remained consistent, which is why you don't understand what i meant when I said that there is an obvious decline each year in the percentage of Health Sci alumni that are admitted into any medical school.

Great reading comprehension, btw.

It was quite clear what you meant, except that there aren't any stats backing the point. Besides, if the numbers of admission to McMaster medicine have been increasing over the past 3 years, it's absurd to say acceptance on the whole has decreased.

[ji_howa]

From what I've seen, around half of the Health Sci classes go on to do med school. Some choose to do other things such as pharm, dental, law, business. I was at Mac the last 3 years and have not seen a decline in admission rates to med school from Health Sci in the last 3 years, to Mac, as well as other schools.

[xIcewind]

McMaster's HealthSci program isn't anything special.

The admission stats come from the motivation of the students, and not from the school's name. Just being accepted to HealthSci doesn't guarantee admission to medicine, you'll have to work just as hard if you were at any other university or college.

[blizzah]

Agree with Icewind.

Fact is that if you take 95% students from highschool, there is a GOOD chance that they would be going to med/law/pharm/whatever they want.

Same as U of T, if you look at the specialties that require a 3.9 GPA to get into, ie. LMP, most of them are able to do what they want after undergrad anyway.

It's a direct correlation. Same as if you are at the Bentley dealership, and it turns out all the people who buy Bentleys, also own multi milllion dollar homes.

[pedant]

If you're from Ontario and you're trying to up your chances of getting into med school, do yourself a favor and do your undergrad in a different province. It is incredibly difficult to get in in Ontario. There are just way too many students for the number of spots. Get yourself in province status at another provinces school. It will make things way easier in your application cycle.

[HBP]

If you're from Ontario and you're trying to up your chances of getting into med school, do yourself a favor and do your undergrad in a different province. It is incredibly difficult to get in in Ontario. There are just way too many students for the number of spots. Get yourself in province status at another provinces school. It will make things way easier in your application cycle.

+1

Head to Dal for 4 years. It's stupid how ON is the only province that doesn't give preference to it's students.

[kkentm]

It was quite clear what you meant, except that there aren't any stats backing the point. Besides, if the numbers of admission to McMaster medicine have been increasing over the past 3 years, it's absurd to say acceptance on the whole has decreased.

On McMaster's website there is a breakdown by year of where each student of the Health Sci graduating class goes the next year. I was referencing those stats. You can see that a few years ago the percentage of Health Sci grads who went to med school was around 50%, whereas the past year or two shows significantly less than 50% of graduates going to med school.

[kkentm]

This url will show you the yearly breakdowns:

http://fhs.mcmaster.ca/bhsc/graduates.html

Class of 05/06: 49/111 graduates in medicine

Class of 06/07: 82/171 graduates in medicine

Class of 07/08: 65/167 graduates in medicine

Not obvious enough?

[HBP]

This url will show you the yearly breakdowns:

http://fhs.mcmaster.ca/bhsc/graduates.html

Class of 05/06: 49/111 graduates in medicine

Class of 06/07: 82/171 graduates in medicine

Class of 07/08: 65/167 graduates in medicine

Not obvious enough?

Uh... 44%, 48%, 39%?

Yeah.... sure... very obvious. Taken stats before?

[kkentm]

Uh... 44%, 48%, 39%?

Yeah.... sure... very obvious. Taken stats before?

No, I haven't actually. They don't have a statistics course in grade 11. Oh well.