Toronto Riots

[Mace]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9WZtRw9II2s

Anybody remember this happening? What were the circumstances behind it? Anyone forsee it happening again, given the times?

[flexwong]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9WZtRw9II2s

Anybody remember this happening? What were the circumstances behind it? Anyone forsee it happening again, given the times?

seems like a racial dispute (judging from the sign i saw at the beginning). i don't think something of this scale would happen again, although if the big 3 went bust maybe in places like oshawa this could happen.

i never understood why horses are used in riot control. seems pretty inefficient to me. lol.

[Kasakato]

seems like a racial dispute (judging from the sign i saw at the beginning). i don't think something of this scale would happen again, although if the big 3 went bust maybe in places like oshawa this could happen.

i never understood why horses are used in riot control. seems pretty inefficient to me. lol.

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[CCCC3333]

Rodney King?

[nano]

lol @3:37 that lady was my prof when i was at centennial college. she was really down to earth.

[Ojam]

i never understood why horses are used in riot control. seems pretty inefficient to me. lol.

Intimidation. You are also higher and have a better vantage point of the crowd.

[Evil Baby]

i never understood why horses are used in riot control. seems pretty inefficient to me. lol.

The cops probably figure hippie wont hurt their horses.

[dreamwalker]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1992_Los_Angeles_riots

[somemale]

check out the Korea Town La Riots vid in the Related Videos section.

frickin' crazy.....

[ElChico]

Rodney King?

That would be my guess...

[Piccolo]

The Damage:
50-60 lives, 2,000 injuries, 3,600 fires, 1,100 buildings destroyed, 10,000 arrested (ethnicity of those arrested consistent with demography).$800 mil to $1 bil in property damage.
Smaller riots included in San Francisco, NY, Seattle, Chicago, Toronto, Wisconsin.
http://ocw.mit.edu/NR/rdonlyres/Literature/21L-486Spring-2006/7D022391-D13F-4B3A-9D48-27CCB1B33E97/0/twighlight.pdf

[sexpuppet6000]

i never understood why horses are used in riot control. seems pretty inefficient to me. lol.

1500lb horse that can jump over your head charging you down?...

[edgedamage]

i never understood why horses are used in riot control. seems pretty inefficient to me. lol.
Next time you see a cop on horseback stand as close as the officer will allow, YOU will soon feel inefficient by the size of the horse.

[Sepiraph]

Absolutely unacceptable for anyone to be rioting over there back then. A protest would be meaningful, a riot is worse than meaningless.

[flexwong]

1500lb horse that can jump over your head charging you down?...

hmmm... never thought of it in a way like that.

Next time you see a cop on horseback stand as close as the officer will allow, YOU will soon feel inefficient by the size of the horse.

i know the horse is big but i always thought it would be clumsy to maneuver. too many movies where horses get taken down with ease. maybe not then. :D:D

[stealth]

I remember it. It was supposedly linked to Rodney King, but more than anything, an excuse to act stupid, break a few windows and ripoff a few stores.

[brunes]

i know the horse is big but i always thought it would be clumsy to maneuver. too many movies where horses get taken down with ease. maybe not then. :D:D
I am pretty damn sure a horse is a lot harder to take down than a cop. You might be able to take the cop OFF the horse, but you are certainly NOT going to take down the house itself. For example if you had the brains to SHOOT a horse, you would probably be trampled to death and then the horse would have run a KM before it would finally fall.

[Kommander_KornFlakes]

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That Toronto riot was caused by the nazi Toronto police who tried to prevent 1,000 people from marching on Yonge st, they had every right to protest but cops started to clobber them with batons and rush them with horses.

You guys better know your history a little better.

[stealth]

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That Toronto riot was caused by the nazi Toronto police who tried to prevent 1,000 people from marching on Yonge st, they had every right to protest but cops started to clobber them with batons and rush them with horses.

You guys better know your history a little better.

Please explain the bolded/underlined part.
What/who gave them the right? Does everyone have the right to protest anytime they want, anywhere they want, even for things that have nothing to do with goings on here?
Can I hold a protest of the nan king massacre outside the home of someone of japanese descent tomorrow?

If you have / had a problem with the justice system or police in L.A., go to L.A. to protest, not create unnecessary havoc for innocent people in Toronto. Being plain old pissed off about something does not automatically grant one the right to protest wherever they want.

[Think]

"this is a problem with equitable response by the politician" Please, go smoke dope
I'm sure the glass companies were happy.

1991 - The beginning of Toronto the garbage.

[jstaneon]

They should have tried this during rush hour. Guaranteed that they would have all been run over :lol:

[Kommander_KornFlakes]

Please explain the bolded/underlined part.
What/who gave them the right? Does everyone have the right to protest anytime they want, anywhere they want, even for things that have nothing to do with goings on here?

Can I hold a protest of the nan king massacre outside the home of someone of japanese descent tomorrow?



Jesus Christ dude, we are killing women & children in Afghanistan because some nutjob blew up two skycrapers in a foreign city in a foreign country, what makes this protest less legal & moral than what Ottawa is doing in Afghanistan?

[flexwong]

Jesus Christ dude, we are killing women & children in Afghanistan because some nutjob blew up two skycrapers in a foreign city in a foreign country, what makes this protest less legal & moral than what Ottawa is doing in Afghanistan?

i know it's futile to explain anything to you but try to understand what is actually going on in Afghanistan before you make a stupid and offensive comment like that.

[_Allan_]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9WZtRw9II2s

Anybody remember this happening? What were the circumstances behind it? Anyone forsee it happening again, given the times?
Rodney King beating in LA, by LAPD if I'm not mistaken, was posted on Youtube see here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tgiR04ey7-M)

Please explain the bolded/underlined part.
What/who gave them the right? Does everyone have the right to protest anytime they want, anywhere they want, even for things that have nothing to do with goings on here?
Can I hold a protest of the nan king massacre outside the home of someone of japanese descent tomorrow?

If you have / had a problem with the justice system or police in L.A., go to L.A. to protest, not create unnecessary havoc for innocent people in Toronto. Being plain old pissed off about something does not automatically grant one the right to protest wherever they want.

Hindsite is 20/20...

[Kommander_KornFlakes]

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Anyways, the Toronto riot was to protest the brutal & racist beating of Rodney King in Los Angeles, at that time we also had this black guy beaten up by Toronto cops 2 days earlier so more gasoline was added to the fire.

[gman]

i know the horse is big but i always thought it would be clumsy to maneuver. too many movies where horses get taken down with ease. maybe not then. :D:D

Horse is good to divide crowds. In movie, the horses get taken down in range. It is pretty stupid to take down a horse right next to you especially when you are within a crowd. It won't be a pretty scene if the horse drop down to you or out of control after being hit.

[flexwong]

Horse is good to divide crowds. In movie, the horses get taken down in range. It is pretty stupid to take down a horse right next to you especially when you are within a crowd. It won't be a pretty scene if the horse drop down to you or out of control after being hit.

lol. yes yes. thank you all for answering my question about why horses are used in riots. i'll make sure to stay clear of them when im in a riot next time :D:D:D

[Kommander_KornFlakes]

Horse is good to divide crowds.

You are damn right they are, I have seen it myself. Horses have been used to carve-up enemy infantry formations in ancient battles, for sure as hell they can divide a bunch of baseball cap-wearing, buck-toothed Canadian teenagers on Yonge st. :-0

[Kasakato]

Please explain the bolded/underlined part.
What/who gave them the right? Does everyone have the right to protest anytime they want, anywhere they want, even for things that have nothing to do with goings on here?
Can I hold a protest of the nan king massacre outside the home of someone of japanese descent tomorrow?

If you have / had a problem with the justice system or police in L.A., go to L.A. to protest, not create unnecessary havoc for innocent people in Toronto. Being plain old pissed off about something does not automatically grant one the right to protest wherever they want.

See: Charter of Rights and Freedom
2. Everyone has the following fundamental freedoms:

a) freedom of conscience and religion;
b) freedom of thought, belief, opinion and expression, including freedom of the press and other media of communication;
c) freedom of peaceful assembly; and
d) freedom of association.

Yes, everyone in Canada has the right to protest, as long as peaceful and for a legal cause.

[flexwong]

See: Charter of Rights and Freedom
2. Everyone has the following fundamental freedoms:

a) freedom of conscience and religion;
b) freedom of thought, belief, opinion and expression, including freedom of the press and other media of communication;
c) freedom of peaceful assembly; and
d) freedom of association.

Yes, everyone in Canada has the right to protest, as long as peaceful and for a legal cause.

and you've laid your finger on the problem. that protest was not peaceful.

from what i have learned in history, once your protest turns to violence, you lose sympathy from the people because you're seen as rioters. if you protest peacefully and the cops beat you up, then people turn against the cops and for the protesters because they are seen as innocent. but if one of the protesters engage in violence first, then the entire movement gets shattered.

[Kasakato]

and you've laid your finger on the problem. that protest was not peaceful.

from what i have learned in history, once your protest turns to violence, you lose sympathy from the people because you're seen as rioters. if you protest peacefully and the cops beat you up, then people turn against the cops and for the protesters because they are seen as innocent. but if one of the protesters engage in violence first, then the entire movement gets shattered.

You missed the point. The statement was:
Does everyone have the right to protest anytime they want, anywhere they want, even for things that have nothing to do with goings on here?

The answer to that is, yes, with the notable exceptions I listed.

[corrupt123]

Absolutely unacceptable for anyone to be rioting over there back then. A protest would be meaningful, a riot is worse than meaningless.

Ahhhhh it's a fine line, but I beg to differ. I think riots can be effective because they draw huge amounts of attention. People here have been protesting for years for better healthcare, better public housing, bla bla bla. When a group of hippies gather around and sing songs, nobody gives a ****. When they riot in the streets, the government notices. Look at the riots in Montreal a year back, or the very recent ones in Greece.

Everyone agrees we need better transit in Toronto, but we all sit around and complain actually doing dick-all. Wanna bet that a few days of rioting would fast-track to be a primary issue?

[GangStarr]

lol@ 7:43

the gun store only had 2 guns stolen. Pretty reasonable.

[BornRuff]

See: Charter of Rights and Freedom
2. Everyone has the following fundamental freedoms:

a) freedom of conscience and religion;
b) freedom of thought, belief, opinion and expression, including freedom of the press and other media of communication;
c) freedom of peaceful assembly; and
d) freedom of association.

Yes, everyone in Canada has the right to protest, as long as peaceful and for a legal cause.

Precedent has shown that the right does not seem to allow people to unduly disrupt society whenever they want. You see that all the time when Native groups block highways and railroads, and the cops get involved.

They were blocking a major transportation route. If they didn't have clearance to block Younge Street, and they started to march on it during rush hour, I could see how the cops might get involved.

[Sepiraph]

Ahhhhh it's a fine line, but I beg to differ. I think riots can be effective because they draw huge amounts of attention. People here have been protesting for years for better healthcare, better public housing, bla bla bla. When a group of hippies gather around and sing songs, nobody gives a ****. When they riot in the streets, the government notices. Look at the riots in Montreal a year back, or the very recent ones in Greece.

Everyone agrees we need better transit in Toronto, but we all sit around and complain actually doing dick-all. Wanna bet that a few days of rioting would fast-track to be a primary issue?

Depending on what you consider as effective; rioting should be an absolutely last resort when you lose faith in the government as the very act of rioting is a blatant disrespect of the law. In this particular case it was acted out by a foolish, thoughtless mob who was carrying out a copycat of the rioting in LA.

[untaka]

seems like a racial dispute (judging from the sign i saw at the beginning). i don't think something of this scale would happen again, although if the big 3 went bust maybe in places like oshawa this could happen.

i never understood why horses are used in riot control. seems pretty inefficient to me. lol.

FYI: Using horses gives them the ability to see over peoples heads and look down on the crowed, also if they need to maneuver into the crowed it is easier with a horse rather then a person, you won't be knocking that horse down as easily as a person. Also people will resists more on hurting the horse rather then the cop etc etc etc. The list goes on and it is very useful during these times to have mounted police.