Teen Shot Parents Because They Took Away Halo 3

[v1nc3nt]

Prosecutors at the murder trial of 17-year-old Daniel Petric claim that the teen shot both of his parents, killing his mother, because they wouldn't let him play Halo 3.

"Would you guys close your eyes," Daniel Petric asked. "I have a surprise for you."

It was then that Daniel Petric allegedly shot both of his parents in the head, killing his mother instantly. Mark Petric survived due to the timely arrival of his daughter and her husband, who had arrived to watch a Cleveland Indians game.

http://kotaku.com/5110323/teen-shot-parents-because-they-took-away-halo-3?skyline=true&s=x

[Lava]

What the ****.

[KorruptioN]

Just terrible.

[Skip2MyLou]

LMAO
the next brandon crisp?!?

[Sazafraz]

LMAO
the next brandon crisp?!?

This isn't funny.

[sexpuppet6000]

I wonder what Steve Ballmer would say about this.

[Skip2MyLou]

This isn't funny.

i beg to disagree.

[brunes]

The worst part of this, is that when you read up on the story you know it had NOTHING to do with the actual game involved, but you KNOW how this will be played up in the media.

[sexpuppet6000]

The worst part of this, is that when you read up on the story you know it had NOTHING to do with the actual game involved, but you KNOW how this will be played up in the media.

Big Halo fan are we?

[Kasakato]

i beg to disagree.

Simple fact, it wasn't funny.

[Badman]

appears that the father forgave him as well.

[Skip2MyLou]

Simple fact, it wasn't funny.

its got at least some comedy to it.
cause a similar story happened to brandon crisp a few months ago, and then its happening again. talk about the irony.
plus its funny, cause parents need to learn how to deal with their kids.

[CCCC3333]

i wonder what steve ballmer would say about this.
developers developers developers

[Kasakato]

its got at least some comedy to it.
cause a similar story happened to brandon crisp a few months ago, and then its happening again. talk about the irony.
plus its funny, cause parents need to learn how to deal with their kids.

If dead parents and kids are funny to you, sure...its absolutely hilarious.

Unfortunately I don't see it that way.

[brunes]

Big Halo fan are we?

I am not a Halo fan at all, in fact I don't own an Xbox. I am not a gamer at all, my last console that I used to play games was an SNES.

But I am SO over the BS the mainstream media pushes trying to say that video games cause violence.

[zoob]

its got at least some comedy to it.
cause a similar story happened to brandon crisp a few months ago, and then its happening again. talk about the irony.
plus its funny, cause parents need to learn how to deal with their kids.

Did you even read the article? This happpened over a year ago.

[sexpuppet6000]

I am not a Halo fan at all, in fact I don't own an Xbox. I am not a gamer at all, my last console that I used to play games was an SNES.

But I am SO over the BS the mainstream media pushes trying to say that video games cause violence.

Do you have any evidence arguing otherwise?

Kids are impressionable. Monkey see monkey wanna do eh?
Does rap music and violent video games contribute to violence in teens?
Heck, after I saw die hard I came out of the movie wanting to kick some ass. After pursuit of happiness I wanted to go study. Stop fighting a losing battle.

[squall458]

its got at least some comedy to it.
cause a similar story happened to brandon crisp a few months ago, and then its happening again. talk about the irony.
plus its funny, cause parents need to learn how to deal with their kids.

thats not what irony is.....

[perplexed_one]

its got at least some comedy to it.
cause a similar story happened to brandon crisp a few months ago, and then its happening again. talk about the irony.
plus its funny, cause parents need to learn how to deal with their kids.

you are complete dumbass.

brandon crisp ran away when he parents denied him video games; this kid killed his mom. there's a big difference.

and would you still find it funny if it was your parents?

[Fluid]

i guess if my parents took away my halo3 id be pissed too, id just go buy another copy

neways i lol'd

[darius_m5]

BOOM HEADSHOT!

no but seriously this was tragic.

[Mansech]

The kid didn't even play the game. His parents took the game after he bought it and then he shot them.
I don't think anyone is gonna be arguing that it was the game that led to the violence

[darksith31]

This made me sick to my stomach when I read it.

Someone that disturbed doesn't need prison; they can't be rehabilitated, and thus, need the life sentence. Tragic.

[Terrific_Deals2k8]

Wow crazy news (speechless), seriously that kid needs to see a psyc cuz he has some anger/rage issues!! Maybe he missed his "period"? :confused:

[sxz]

Well that's parenting for you.

[sweeper]

what an idiot.

[tng11]

Terrible. A permanent action for something so petty. Anyone who thinks this is funny is sick.

I agree that people blame video games too much - this is clearly a case where you can't blame it on the game itself and you can only blame the kid for being so obsessed with the game and so emotional about it that he felt the need to kill over it.

[sweeper]

Can't he have just beat them up? Man, killing your mother over a video game ... this cretin shouldn't be able to reproduce ever.

[Snicla]

I've killed for less.

[Piccolo]

Terrible. A permanent action for something so petty. Anyone who thinks this is funny is sick.

I agree that people blame video games too much - this is clearly a case where you can't blame it on the game itself and you can only blame the kid for being so obsessed with the game and so emotional about it that he felt the need to kill over it.
Well said. The kids was obviously emotionally disturb.
I've killed for less.
That's sick. What is wrong with you people?? "That's funny" "I've killed for less". Are you trying to compete for the best troll award??

[Fluid]

" The game was locked up in Mark's lockbox, along with a 9mm handgun. "


....

[YYZFA]

Congratulations to the moderators for promptly removing Skip2MyLou's racist comments. Unfortunately, there isn't much to do about his tasteless comments, except either condemn them or ignore them. Both are difficult choices, because if we condemn them, then we are feeding the troll. If we ignore them, then we may be perceived to be silently agreeing with him.

It's people like this who ruin online communities.

[Snicla]

It's people like this who ruin online communities.

I've been called a home wrecker, never a community wrecker though.

[aplayaz2000]

This isn't funny.It kinda is.

Obviously this teen is beyond mentally retardation, yeah probably think bad parents.

[Snicla]

It kinda is.

Obviously this teen is beyond mentally retardation, yeah probably think bad parents.

It's obviously video games, heavy metal, rap music, movies, and television.

[aplayaz2000]

It's obviously video games, heavy metal, rap music, movies, and television.It can be said but we are all are exposed to that. You don't see us pulling stunts like those.

[Snicla]

It can be said but we are all are exposed to that. You don't see us pulling stunts like those.

I guess you didn't see my post about how I've killed for less.

[spazzamatic]

man.. i feel for the father..

.. what a tragic story. Though i have to admit, Halo 3 is a good game=)

[Skip2MyLou]

you are complete dumbass.

brandon crisp ran away when he parents denied him video games; this kid killed his mom. there's a big difference.

and would you still find it funny if it was your parents?

ur an idiot bro, this is related cause they both involve xbox360 incidents with games.
and it wouldnt happen to my parents cause im not a dumbass like you or that stupid kid that shot them.

[Skip2MyLou]

Congratulations to the moderators for promptly removing Skip2MyLou's racist comments. Unfortunately, there isn't much to do about his tasteless comments, except either condemn them or ignore them. Both are difficult choices, because if we condemn them, then we are feeding the troll. If we ignore them, then we may be perceived to be silently agreeing with him.

It's people like this who ruin online communities.

ur just a hater, who cant handle the truth.

[tng11]

ur an idiot bro, this is related cause they both involve xbox360 incidents with games.
and it wouldnt happen to my parents cause im not a dumbass like you or that stupid kid that shot them.
While I'm appalled by your earlier comments, I can see your viewpoint on this issue:

1. Brandon Crisp was a young boy who revolted from his parents by running away and he ended up dead.
2. This case was also a young boy who revolted from his parents by shooting them in cold blood.

In both of these incidents, it's a much deeper issue than the just a video game itself... it's about disciplinary policies that clearly failed. Both were confused children and both are very tragic incidents. Brandon Crisp was particularly sad because such a young child misunderstood the consequences of running away from home which resulted in his death. In this case, the kid knew that my putting bullets in his parent's heads, it was likely to cause their death. He has every intention of harming them, while Brandon Crisp meant to hurt no one and tragically died from his mistake.

[ali123]

sad >:(

[littlevince]

ur just a hater, who cant handle the truth.


why dont u skip on outta here.

[ameko]

urg what the **** is wrong with kids these days....
i hope he gets jailed

[desolatioN]

its got at least some comedy to it.
cause a similar story happened to brandon crisp a few months ago, and then its happening again. talk about the irony.
plus its funny, cause parents need to learn how to deal with their kids.

you're a tool...

[bigredlemon]

i have no idea whats going on in the thread but just from his attitude i'd say ban him. problem solved.

[dre145]

its a sad story, because a human life was lost.
But I will say this again... raise your kids properly and discipline them and dont keep guns in the reach of your children and maybe they wont shoot you in the head??? just maybe??

nah who am I kidding ITS THE VIDEO GAMES!!!!!

not the parenting thats the cause of most of these tragedies

[custy]

Their is a mix of who/what to blame here.

I think the family/parenting style was a major problem before the killing occurred. The kid must of learned this style of punishment from his parents and then used it to the next level when his parents took away his game. However, it is at the fault of other influences such as movies, games, music, peers and etc.

Maybe he will be tried as an adult and sentenced for life?

[brunes]

The kid didn't even play the game. His parents took the game after he bought it and then he shot them.
I don't think anyone is gonna be arguing that it was the game that led to the violence

Sadly, this is not true. I can see it already - newsreel opens to show a match of Halo 3 in action, just enough time to see MC blow away 4-5 guys with as much carnage as possible. Voiceover goes - "Coming up next - a child in XXX has been accused of shooting both his parents and killing his mother, nbecause they woudl not let him play his favorite ideo game, Halo 3, which we are showing you here. News at 11".

The mainstream media does this all the time, twisting reality to grab headlines.


I think the family/parenting style was a major problem before the killing occurred. The kid must of learned this style of punishment from his parents and then used it to the next level when his parents took away his game. However, it is at the fault of other influences such as movies, games, music, peers and etc.
?
See, it's working already....

Repeat after me people - movies, games, and music don't kill people PEOPLE KILL PEOPLE. In fact if you look at statistical averages there is less violent crime and death now than there has been in the past 100 years - how do you blame THAT on video games?

[Odysseus_Maximus]

Damm

[cmge]

Achievement Unlocked... :|

BOOM HEADSHOT!

no but seriously this was tragic.

i was gonna say the same thing... kids these days... WTF?!...

[D-Roc]

i beg to disagree.



Not funny in the least.

[panoptio]

i beg to disagree.

I hope your kid shots you in the head so we can all laugh

You are a moron

[cheeseshredder]

Sadly, this is not true. I can see it already - newsreel opens to show a match of Halo 3 in action, just enough time to see MC blow away 4-5 guys with as much carnage as possible. Voiceover goes - "Coming up next - a child in XXX has been accused of shooting both his parents and killing his mother, nbecause they woudl not let him play his favorite ideo game, Halo 3, which we are showing you here. News at 11".

The mainstream media does this all the time, twisting reality to grab headlines.


See, it's working already....

Repeat after me people - movies, games, and music don't kill people PEOPLE KILL PEOPLE. In fact if you look at statistical averages there is less violent crime and death now than there has been in the past 100 years - how do you blame THAT on video games?

I agree with the media twisting. However, people always forget that the research behind this is iffy. There are a lot of conflicting studies, so it is possible that there is a correlation between aggression/violence and video games..whether or not that is casual is a whole other beast with even more controversy tied to it.

I'm a young guy and I occasionally game, so a lot of my peers are adamant about games having no effect. The fundamental flaw that each of them make pertains to this argument: "I game all the time and I'm fine". That says nothing about how violence in games affect people. So, just because it doesn't affect you, does not mean it doesn't affect others.

[Snicla]

I hope your kid shots you in the head so we can all laugh

You are a moron

That's a terrible thing to say. How can you even suggest that that would be funny? You are despicable.

[panoptio]

That's a terrible thing to say. How can you even suggest that that would be funny? You are despicable.

I dont find it funny at all. He seems to think that a kid shooting his parents in the head is funny.

[willeh]

Wow.....another tragic occurrence, I don't like halo at all since its so bland but I'm sure a lot of heat for Microsoft with their x-box.

[Snicla]

I dont find it funny at all. He seems to think that a kid shooting his parents in the head is funny.

No one really thinks that's funny. Well it kind of is and isn't, the whole 'Hey close your eyes I've got a present for you.' What people fail to realize is that matricide is probably one of the most messed up things that a person can do. The people who commit these acts are extremely disturbed individuals, but as for the reason why he did it you can't be sure. Taking a game away from the kid is not enough to justify this type of action, something else must have occurred to make this kid go nuts.

[panoptio]

No one really thinks that's funny. Well it kind of is and isn't, the whole 'Hey close your eyes I've got a present for you.' What people fail to realize is that matricide is probably one of the most messed up things that a person can do. The people who commit these acts are extremely disturbed individuals, but as for the reason why he did it you can't be sure. Taking a game away from the kid is not enough to justify this type of action, something else must have occurred to make this kid go nuts.





I've killed for less.

As messed up as all that is, finding the issue funny and joking about it tells everyone what an idiot you are

[Snicla]

As messed up as all that is, finding the issue funny and joking about it tells everyone what an idiot you are

Not properly punctuating your sentences shows people how uneducated you are. Calling people idiots for finding making light of an otherwise morbid situation is a sign of insecurity and a way of projecting your feelings on to others. I can't help it if I like to joke around, take the stick out of your ass and learn to lighten up. It's a scientific fact that laughter is good for the body.

[panoptio]

Not properly punctuating your sentences shows people how uneducated you are. Calling people idiots for finding making light of an otherwise morbid situation is a sign of insecurity and a way of projecting your feelings on to others. I can't help it if I like to joke around, take the stick out of your ass and learn to lighten up. It's a scientific fact that laughter is good for the body.

lol

better?

I guess next time I go to a funeral I will just bust out laughing. When someone gets mad and tell me to shut up I will just call them "insecure"

[Snicla]

lol

better?

I guess next time I go to a funeral I will just bust out laughing. When someone gets mad and tell me to shut up I will just call them "insecure"

No, that was not better. That was a sentence fragment, without proper capitalization at that and you're still not ending a sentence with a period. That's a fail.

If you feel that it's appropriate to laugh at a funeral by all means go for it. I will not stand in your way, and if you feel that the person who told you to shut up did so because they're insecure and couldn't find a more intelligent retort then you should call them insecure if you wish.

[kramerz80]

The video game is not to blame here. You can easily replace video game with a number of things if the kid never saw a video game in his life. This sort of stuff has been happening before video games, before tv, before rap music, before all these things the media tries to pin the blame on.

We dont even know if you can blame the parents, we have no idea how the kid was brought up. For all we know they couldve raised him 100% the right way, and it was just a loose wire in his head that finally gave in.

[brunes]

I'm a young guy and I occasionally game, so a lot of my peers are adamant about games having no effect. The fundamental flaw that each of them make pertains to this argument: "I game all the time and I'm fine". That says nothing about how violence in games affect people. So, just because it doesn't affect you, does not mean it doesn't affect others.

And just because it can affect a minority does not mean that it should be more tightly regulated either.

Peanut allergy affects as many as 1.1% of the population, that means it can KILL one out of 100 people who eat it, which is a much higher statistic than deaths from either alcohol abuse or drug abuse. Maybe we should regulate peanut butter, make it illegal to purchase, and de-regulate crack cocaine? See how silly that sounds? Now replace peanut butter with video games.

[firefly767]

its got at least some comedy to it.
cause a similar story happened to brandon crisp a few months ago, and then its happening again. talk about the irony.
plus its funny, cause parents need to learn how to deal with their kids.

wait till you have a son who cant be tamed. you think parents of psychos in the society didnt try?

[firefly767]

violence in game definitely effect people. if you are 10 and play GOW, thats just wrong. even if you are adult and is alllowed to play the game. it'll still effect you because growing old doesnt mean growing up.

minors who arent suppose to play the game does it anyways, thats the sad part.

[D-Roc]

No, that was not better. That was a sentence fragment, without proper capitalization at that and you're still not ending a sentence with a period. That's a fail.

If you feel that it's appropriate to laugh at a funeral by all means go for it. I will not stand in your way, and if you feel that the person who told you to shut up did so because they're insecure and couldn't find a more intelligent retort then you should call them insecure if you wish.

Finding humour about such a tragic event makes you insensitive.
Arguing and trying to show you are intelligent by telling someone they are not educated because they did not add a period at the end of a sentence, is just stupid.

[Sazafraz]

Whether you gamers like it or not, violent games do affect people. I am not saying that if you play violent games, you are gonna shoot a bunch of people in RL but just because that doesn't happen or you don't even feel the need to do something like that, it doesn't mean you are perfectly healthy. Violent games change our emotional response to violent situations and causes us to be more apathetic about certain things (ie. killing people, blood, etc.).

Think about it like this: new video games are always coming out, including violent ones. To make sales the game needs more blood, more killing, more graphic, etc. So playing a violent game from 5 years ago, chances are you are gonna think its lame because it's unrealistic and boring. Now for those who have older parents, if you ever show them these violent games even from the past, they will probably be disgusted at what you have to do in the game and all the blood, guns, etc. This is because they aren't used to all of this so a game from the past with some shooting and blood will make them disgusted. However for you, the blood and killing does not have this kind of impact on you.

When crime happens around the world, many of you are apathetic about it and even make jokes about it despite the fact that people are dying, yet you don't feel much of that. Now imagine there is a fight somewhere and its 3 guys against 1 guy. To many of you, it wouldn't be that big of a deal, in fact you might encourage them and cheer on like the rest of the crowd watching. Now, instead of this one guy, it was a dog or other animal instead. Wouldn't your emotions change now? Even if it was one person beating up a dog, you would most likely feel sorry for it and label it as animal cruelty and say things like "I can't believe someone would do this to a dog". Well, it is because you aren't used to seeing things like this so you get sensitive about it. But lets say animal cruelty was common in video games, TV, or w/e, certain harmful actions to an animal may seem like nothing and you wouldn't care that much anymore.

For people who say it couldn't have been video games, well just because he didn't play it at his house, doesn't mean he's never played it before or got addicted to it at a friends house or something. This event could have been triggered by many things that happened through his life, not just bad parenting, violent games, or w/e, but most of them do play a role in the final decision he made.

[brunes]

Whether you gamers like it or not, violent games do affect people. I am not saying that if you play violent games, you are gonna shoot a bunch of people in RL but just because that doesn't happen or you don't even feel the need to do something like that, it doesn't mean you are perfectly healthy. Violent games change our emotional response to violent situations and causes us to be more apathetic about certain things (ie. killing people, blood, etc.).

Think about it like this: new video games are always coming out, including violent ones. To make sales the game needs more blood, more killing, more graphic, etc. So playing a violent game from 5 years ago, chances are you are gonna think its lame because it's unrealistic and boring. Now for those who have older parents, if you ever show them these violent games even from the past, they will probably be disgusted at what you have to do in the game and all the blood, guns, etc. This is because they aren't used to all of this so a game from the past with some shooting and blood will make them disgusted. However for you, the blood and killing does not have this kind of impact on you.

When crime happens around the world, many of you are apathetic about it and even make jokes about it despite the fact that people are dying, yet you don't feel much of that. Now imagine there is a fight somewhere and its 3 guys against 1 guy. To many of you, it wouldn't be that big of a deal, in fact you might encourage them and cheer on like the rest of the crowd watching. Now, instead of this one guy, it was a dog or other animal instead. Wouldn't your emotions change now? Even if it was one person beating up a dog, you would most likely feel sorry for it and label it as animal cruelty and say things like "I can't believe someone would do this to a dog". Well, it is because you aren't used to seeing things like this so you get sensitive about it. But lets say animal cruelty was common in video games, TV, or w/e, certain harmful actions to an animal may seem like nothing and you wouldn't care that much anymore.

For people who say it couldn't have been video games, well just because he didn't play it at his house, doesn't mean he's never played it before or got addicted to it at a friends house or something. This event could have been triggered by many things that happened through his life, not just bad parenting, violent games, or w/e, but most of them do play a role in the final decision he made.

Violent games affect people. So does cold weather. We should pass regulations prohibiting people from going out in the cold because it may affect them, or cause them to snap and hurt someone else.

[Sazafraz]

Violent games affect people. So does cold weather. We should pass regulations prohibiting people from going out in the cold because it may affect them, or cause them to snap and hurt someone else.

Congratulations, this proves that you are capable of reading the first sentence of my post.

[KelvinK]

i JUST had an exam on this .. dang

violent video games are proven to be tied to aggression and aggressive thoughts that can be generalized to other events (ie shooting your parents).. but the relationship is correlational meaning that they don't know if aggressive people gravitate towards violent games, or that violent games cause people to become aggressive

[KelvinK]

Violent games affect people. So does cold weather. We should pass regulations prohibiting people from going out in the cold because it may affect them, or cause them to snap and hurt someone else.

actually.. hot temperatures are related to increased aggression

[heymikey]

How can people here blame Halo3 and Microsoft when the guy hasn't even played the game yet?

[MickeyDs4life]

What a f***ed up kid...there has to be more to the story

[perplexed_one]

ur an idiot bro, this is related cause they both involve xbox360 incidents with games.
and it wouldnt happen to my parents cause im not a dumbass like you or that stupid kid that shot them.

grade A logic at work here...

in case you are hard of comprehending via reading, I meant there is a difference between the actions, not the context of the case.

buddy, there's plenty of people who are stupid but they don't go around killing ppl; they called psycho. and another psycho would find this case funny.

[Dash]

Is this kid being tried as an adult?

with the brandon crisp case, there was a divide between some of the RFDers that said Brandon was old enough to know better, and those who said he was just a kid and did what all kids do.

So, this kid was 1 year older. is he old enough to know better than to shoot his parents? or is he still a kid? should he be tried as an adult?

[Skip2MyLou]

I hope your kid shots you in the head so we can all laugh

You are a moron

"shots me in the head" :lol:
great grammar there.
and its funny cause parents are making bad decisions disciplining their kids.
I doubt this would happen to me cause im not stupid.

[Nikita]

This made me sick to my stomach when I read it.

Someone that disturbed doesn't need prison; they can't be rehabilitated, and thus, need the life sentence. Tragic.

K...so how does one get the life sentence without going to prison??:confused:

It kinda is.

Obviously this teen is beyond mentally retardation, yeah probably think bad parents.

Beyond mentally retardation? WTH does that mean? And how does that lead to the conclusion 'bad parents'. Geeez, it's getting harder and harder to understand people on this site.

ur just a hater, who cant handle the truth.

Sounds to me like all he hates is racism. Count me in. And just from reading your posts, even though I missed the racist one (thank god), it seems really bizarre reading the word 'truth' from you.

"shots me in the head" :lol:
great grammar there.
and its funny cause parents are making bad decisions disciplining their kids.
I doubt this would happen to me cause im not stupid.

He says without proper capitalization...talk about not seeing what you call the 'irony'.

You not stupid? ROFL! Now that's a funny end to my day?

[Sazafraz]

How can people here blame Halo3 and Microsoft when the guy hasn't even played the game yet?

a friend??
He said hes been at home for a year because of a snowboarding accident. Maybe his best friend came over all the time and brought the game which then got him addicted. You don't have to own the game to play it...

[brunes]

Congratulations, this proves that you are capable of reading the first sentence of my post.

I did read your whole post but the whole thing is irrelevant after that one false statement because all you did was expound upon it.

I am trying to make a point that is irrefutable - there are many many other things in society that are PROVABLY harmful to people, and also PROVABLY affect more of the population than violent games EVER could.

The fact that people push for voilet game regulation and ignore all the other things (like my obvious examples of peanut butter, TEMPERATURE, etc). is just pointing out the REAL reasoning behind it - that people who play violent video games are inherently "different" and thus need to be "regulated and controlled".

Kids shoot up a school, don't blame it on the jocks who beat him up daily or the school system that put up with it or the society that not only CONDONES it but ENCOURAGES IT, no, lets blame the video game. Its the same situatoin here exept instead off blaming the child's upbringing and/or mental disorders, you are blaming the video game.

[Dash]

K...so how does one get the life sentence without going to prison??:confused:

marriage? ;)


Beyond mentally retardation? WTH does that mean? And how does that lead to the conclusion 'bad parents'. Geeez, it's getting harder and harder to understand people on this site.

you don't understand them cause you spend too much time in the sun, which has affected your hearing. Perhaps if you put on some gloves, you'd get them.

You not stupid? ROFL! Now that's a funny end to my day?

are you asking if it's a funny end to your day? :confused:

[Dash]

I did read your whole post but the whole thing is irrelevant after that one false statement because all you did was expound upon it.

I am trying to make a point that is irrefutable - there are many many other things in society that are PROVABLY harmful to people, and also PROVABLY affect more of the population than violent games EVER could.

The fact that people push for voilet game regulation and ignore all the other things (like my obvious examples of peanut butter, TEMPERATURE, etc). is just pointing out the REAL reasoning behind it - that people who play violent video games are inherently "different" and thus need to be "regulated and controlled".

Kids shoot up a school, don't blame it on the jocks who beat him up daily or the school system that put up with it or the society that not only CONDONES it but ENCOURAGES IT, no, lets blame the video game. Its the same situatoin here exept instead off blaming the child's upbringing and/or mental disorders, you are blaming the video game.


It's spelled PROBABLY with a "B" not a "V". ;) You eastern coasters and your crazy accents. :lol:

[Snicla]

Finding humour about such a tragic event makes you insensitive.
Arguing and trying to show you are intelligent by telling someone they are not educated because they did not add a period at the end of a sentence, is just stupid.

I wouldn't say insensitive, more like desensitized because of all of these violent movies and video games. Showing someone who called me stupid how uneducated they are that they can't even form proper sentences is exposing their stupidity. If you were smart you would have figured that out.

[flexwong]

Beyond mentally retardation? WTH does that mean? And how does that lead to the conclusion 'bad parents'. Geeez, it's getting harder and harder to understand people on this site.





+1 and i LOL'd.

[azlar2007]

The culprit isn't video games nor bad parenting. This kid is simply an evil person with no conscience. I say chuck him in the slammer.

[evanx]

Ok he told his parents to close their eyes and then shot them in the head.

Took the car and ran. When caught, claimed that his dad shot his mum and then himself.

Sounds downright evil to me.

[Sazafraz]

I did read your whole post but the whole thing is irrelevant after that one false statement because all you did was expound upon it.

I am trying to make a point that is irrefutable - there are many many other things in society that are PROVABLY harmful to people, and also PROVABLY affect more of the population than violent games EVER could.

The fact that people push for voilet game regulation and ignore all the other things (like my obvious examples of peanut butter, TEMPERATURE, etc). is just pointing out the REAL reasoning behind it - that people who play violent video games are inherently "different" and thus need to be "regulated and controlled".

Kids shoot up a school, don't blame it on the jocks who beat him up daily or the school system that put up with it or the society that not only CONDONES it but ENCOURAGES IT, no, lets blame the video game. Its the same situatoin here exept instead off blaming the child's upbringing and/or mental disorders, you are blaming the video game.
I never said to blame the video games, I said that it DOES have a negative effect on the person. The result of someones actions come from different factors that can and can't be controlled by humans, who knows, maybe the kid played so many videogames and the bad weather outside was the final straw; we don't know. And how can you tell what effects people more than video games. You can't just keep a tally of how many people decided to shoot up there school and say "ok, X number of people were affected by video games", it's not all black and white like that. As I said in my other posts, video games affect our emotions towards killing other people, gun violence and anything else that game developers put in a game. In that sense, video games affect hundreds of millions of people whether you think it's small or large, it exists. As with something like peanut butter, it is something more measurable because the people concerned about the allergy would be the people with it and people around them who can't eat anything with peanuts around them, and obviously that is a way smaller number than the number of people who play violent video games.

[blazing24]

that is super messed up...

[perplexed_one]

The culprit isn't video games nor bad parenting. This kid is simply an evil person with no conscience. I say chuck him in the slammer.

totally agree.

nowadays people love to blame others for their problems
OR better yet they blame their problems on emerging technologies and their supposedly evil side effects.

here is one that will never change: the flawed mind.

[brunes]

I never said to blame the video games, I said that it DOES have a negative effect on the person. The result of someones actions come from different factors that can and can't be controlled by humans, who knows, maybe the kid played so many videogames and the bad weather outside was the final straw; we don't know. And how can you tell what effects people more than video games. You can't just keep a tally of how many people decided to shoot up there school and say "ok, X number of people were affected by video games", it's not all black and white like that. As I said in my other posts, video games affect our emotions towards killing other people, gun violence and anything else that game developers put in a game. In that sense, video games affect hundreds of millions of people whether you think it's small or large, it exists. As with something like peanut butter, it is something more measurable because the people concerned about the allergy would be the people with it and people around them who can't eat anything with peanuts around them, and obviously that is a way smaller number than the number of people who play violent video games.

You're missing the point.

I don't disagree that video games affect people. Of course they do. So does air, water, time, and everything else in the universe.

Just because something affects a minority of the population in some bad way, does not mean that the majority of the population should have to have that item regulated. People have to start owning up to stuff here. Video games cause Bob to go over the edge, giant pumpkins cause Billy to go over the edge. So why regulate the video games and not the pumpkins?

[Sazafraz]

You're missing the point.

I don't disagree that video games affect people. Of course they do. So does air, water, time, and everything else in the universe.

Just because something affects a minority of the population in some bad way, does not mean that the majority of the population should have to have that item regulated. People have to start owning up to stuff here. Video games cause Bob to go over the edge, giant pumpkins cause Billy to go over the edge. So why regulate the video games and not the pumpkins?

But it's not a minority, it affects hundreds of millions of people. When regulating something though you can't just look blindly at the negative aspects and say "well it negatively affects people, therefore ban it." The reason why water, air, and time aren't regulated is because the benefits of these things greatly outweigh the negatives. We ban drinking water, everyone in the world dies, we don't, well try and come up with a list that makes everyone in the world dying better than drinking water. Same thing with air, peanut butter, giant pumpkins. However with video games, the negatives seem to outweigh the positives. The affect of violent video games on people is acquired in exchange for temporary satisfaction and enjoyment, though what is achieved (beating the game, boss, or getting new weapon, etc) in these video games is completely meaningless in reality.

[brunes]

But it's not a minority, it affects hundreds of millions of people.

Violent video games negatively affect hundreds of millions of people?? Says who, says what public research? That would somehow mean they affect more people than even play video games? I would like to see actual peer-reviewed studies that show that violent video games will negatively affect a number of people greater than 1% of the population (around 40 million in NA), which is the number of people who have peanut allergies.

However with video games, the negatives seem to outweigh the positives. The affect of violent video games on people is acquired in exchange for temporary satisfaction and enjoyment, though what is achieved (beating the game, boss, or getting new weapon, etc) in these video games is completely meaningless in reality.
And the affect of peanut butter (that it tastes good) is temporary and also overall meaningless. No one needs peanut butter, it is not necessary for life, heck it isn't even really that good for you. All of this and it CAN KILL one out of a hundred ! And I am not talking about some wishy-washy "oh it might affect their brain and cause them to do something bad", I am talking about near-instant anaphylactic shock and imminent death unless they get to an ER immediately.

So why not ban peanut butter? I don't see how you can logically support one side of this argument without the other.

[Sazafraz]

Violent video games negatively affect hundreds of millions of people?? Says who, says what public research? That would somehow mean they affect more people than even play video games? I would like to see actual peer-reviewed studies that show that violent video games will negatively affect a number of people greater than 1% of the population (around 40 million in NA), which is the number of people who have peanut allergies.

And the affect of peanut butter (that it tastes good) is temporary and also overall meaningless. No one needs peanut butter, it is not necessary for life, heck it isn't even really that good for you. All of this and it CAN KILL one out of a hundred ! And I am not talking about some wishy-washy "oh it might affect their brain and cause them to do something bad", I am talking about near-instant anaphylactic shock and imminent death unless they get to an ER immediately.

So why not ban peanut butter? I don't see how you can logically support one side of this argument without the other.

Hundreds of millions of people play video games. A study by the NPD Group shows that 63-72% of people in the US play video games[1][2][3]. As of July 2007, there is about 301,139,947 people so 63% is 189,718,166 people. And this is only for the US, there are millions more around the world that play video games, so yes, I literally mean hundreds of millions of people are affected by violent video games. And as I said before in my other posts, just because people aren't shooting up their schools, it doesn't mean they aren't affected.

Where did I say I wanted video games banned? I never said that, in fact, I usually play video games over holidays. The reason I made my first post is because people said violent video games have no affect on people and they said "well I play video games and I am perfectly fine so video games is 100% harmless".


[1]http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20071212-report-63-percent-of-us-population-now-plays-video-games.html
[2]http://blogs.pcworld.com/gameon/archives/006748.html
[3]http://www.edge-online.com/news/npd-nearly-23-us-plays-videogames

[Peckerwood]

So then where are the hundreds of millions of murders?

[brunes]

Hundreds of millions of people play video games. A study by the NPD Group shows that 63-72% of people in the US play video games[1][2][3]. As of July 2007, there is about 301,139,947 people so 63% is 189,718,166 people. And this is only for the US, there are millions more around the world that play video games, so yes, I literally mean hundreds of millions of people are affected by violent video games. And as I said before in my other posts, just because people aren't shooting up their schools, it doesn't mean they aren't affected.
These numbers are meaningless without knowing

a)The percentage of those gamers that play violent games, and
B The percentage of those gamers that are affected by violent game.

Given that

a) A large portion of video games are non violent (especially with the most popular console in the market, the Wii, being mainly used for sports, puzzle, and party games)

b) The vast majority of people can play such games frequently and have no later issues with violence,

I would tend to assume that percentage is very small, and thus the percentage of the total population even smaller.


Where did I say I wanted video games banned? I never said that, in fact, I usually play video games over holidays. The reason I made my first post is because people said violent video games have no affect on people and they said "well I play video games and I am perfectly fine so video games is 100% harmless".


Nothing is 100% harmless to 100% of the population. People can die from water poisoning.

That does not imply that anything, can or should be done to help the small minority affected at the price of the majority.

[kramerz80]

There are far more popular things that affect people way more than video games... The internet being #1 I would say, followed by tv... music ranks up there as well...




But it's not a minority, it affects hundreds of millions of people. When regulating something though you can't just look blindly at the negative aspects and say "well it negatively affects people, therefore ban it." The reason why water, air, and time aren't regulated is because the benefits of these things greatly outweigh the negatives. We ban drinking water, everyone in the world dies, we don't, well try and come up with a list that makes everyone in the world dying better than drinking water. Same thing with air, peanut butter, giant pumpkins. However with video games, the negatives seem to outweigh the positives. The affect of violent video games on people is acquired in exchange for temporary satisfaction and enjoyment, though what is achieved (beating the game, boss, or getting new weapon, etc) in these video games is completely meaningless in reality.

[fun4uoc]

Jesus Christ, what is wrong with kids these days???

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[Sazafraz]

There are far more popular things that affect people way more than video games... The internet being #1 I would say, followed by tv... music ranks up there as well...
Ok, but I am just making a point on how video games DO affect people psychological state of mind as some people said that video games cannot be blamed AT ALL or they think they are perfectly fine because they play violent video games and aren't murdering people. It's not about murdering people.


These numbers are meaningless without knowing

a)The percentage of those gamers that play violent games, and
B The percentage of those gamers that are affected by violent game.

Given that

a) A large portion of video games are non violent (especially with the most popular console in the market, the Wii, being mainly used for sports, puzzle, and party games)

b) The vast majority of people can play such games frequently and have no later issues with violence,

I would tend to assume that percentage is very small, and thus the percentage of the total population even smaller.



Nothing is 100% harmless to 100% of the population. People can die from water poisoning.

That does not imply that anything, can or should be done to help the small minority affected at the price of the majority.
Once again, I never said anything about banning on regulating video games yet you keep bringing up the same point on how everything affects us. So what. I am saying that video games can play a fairly significant factor psychologically (as I said in my very first post) and you said it does yourself, just like peanut butter, water, blah blah blah. You don't agree with me that hundreds of millions of people are affected by video games? Well I don't know how to change that view. Violent games are very popular, so the number of people affected would have to be in the millions, don't try to disagree with this. There is no way we can measure how many people play video games unless we interview all of that 63-72% of people in the US alone that play video games. And I also said that just because people aren't murdering other people in the streets, doesn't mean video games haven't changed them psychologically (read first post again). You said that the vast majority can play violent games and later have no issues with violence. You don't know that, you can't measure how affected someone is because of video games because I said they play a role in changing our emotional response to events that happen around the world (read first post again) which isn't really easy to measure.

So then where are the hundreds of millions of murders?

Read my first post in this thread.

[Peckerwood]

Read my first post in this thread.
I read all of your posts in this thread.

Nothing concrete in any of them

The proof is in the pudding, that if the video games had such an enormous effect then we would have seen the results in a more demonstrable set of repercussions.

Hence...where are the murders?

This issue had nothing to do with the video game and everything to do with the relationship held between the parents and child. He didn't shoot the video game...he shot his parents AFTER they laid down a barrier. What the subject of the barrier happened to be is irrelevant since his actions were taken out on the ones that laid down the barrier.

The fail is both on the part of the parents, for not engaging in the guidance of their son's furthered maturity at an earlier point; and the son, for his obvious actions.

The game is completely irrelevant