FS: Pioneer KURO 60" 1080P Plasma (6020FD) $4899.99

[justalad]

The regular price is $5999.99 with a $555.56 discount and there's an additional 10% off tonight and tomorrow night; it prices out at $4899.99 when added to the cart. The 10% off sale isn't supposed to apply to TV's on sale, but it appears to work with this item. Could be an error on the website.

http://www.futureshop.ca/catalog/proddetail.asp?sku_id=0770HDS0010106344&logon=&langid=EN

Still expensive, but possibly the cheapest I've seen this tv at.

[BinaryJay]

Sigh... if I drink enough, maybe I can get my priorities appropriately rearranged.

[schmoey]

Customer Appreciation Sale, 10% off TV's.

[justalad]

Customer Appreciation Sale, 10% off TV's.

Ahh, that explains it....

[Desijatt]

how does this compare to sharps 120hz 65LCD out there>?

[danman227460]

how does this compare to sharps 120hz 65LCD out there>?

If you have the money, this is the one of the best TVs you can get out there. Plasmas have always been leaps and bounds ahead of LCD in terms of producing blacks and no motion blur but a Pioneer is just the cream of the crop. That is like buying a Hyundai compared to a BMW. This TV would be amazing for watching movies and sports shows on.

Personally, I wouldn't even touch Sharp LCD TVs. My personal ranking of companies based on plasma and LCD:

LCD: Sony, Samsung
Plasma: Panasonic/Pioneer, Samsung

[porksoda]

LCD: Sony, Samsung
Plasma: Panasonic/Pioneer, Samsung

I agree about plasmas pioneer/panasonic ...

but for lcd i wouldn't put sony before samsung...

[danman227460]

I agree about plasmas pioneer/panasonic ...

but for lcd i wouldn't put sony before samsung...

Aren't Sony's XBR like top of the class and better than any LCD and even comparable to plasmas? Thats what Ive read on some places. Depending on the person though, they could be interchangeable.

[porksoda]

Aren't Sony's XBR like top of the class and better than any LCD and even comparable to plasmas? Thats what Ive read on some places. Depending on the person though, they could be interchangeable.

People will disagree with me on this...

but

normal tv i.e 480i looks way better on plasmas than compared to lcds... mostly has to do with the line doubler and the nature of lcd.

LCD seems to look best at its native res.

[nuch]

I thought the Friends and Family sale did not apply 10% to already on sale goods. according to the double asterisk.

"**Excludes, sale, open-box,discontinued and clearance models."

[justalad]

When you add it to the cart, the 10% is taken off the sale price, so perhaps this is an error on the website. I noticed the 50" KURO doesn't take an additional 10% off when added to the cart.

I thought the Friends and Family sale did not apply 10% to already on sale goods. according to the double asterisk.

"**Excludes, sale, open-box,discontinued and clearance models."

[Narci]

Don't plasma's consume more electricity then a LCD?

[danman227460]

Don't plasma's consume more electricity then a LCD?

Yes that's the major downside of plasma's for now. They are working on fixing that issue. I mean if you really are green concerned, go for LCD. Personally though, I don't pay my electricity bill yet so I'm not concerned and if you live in an apartment, it wouldn't really matter. But ye, if you really are budget tight, you can't go wrong with a cheaper TV and a lower electricity bill.

It also depends on your usage. If you plan on plugging it in and running it up to 8-10 hours a day, you will see some damage in your bill. I only use the TV for maybe 5 hours at most, weekends are higher but overall, its not as bad.

[I am XeNo]

o man... soo tempting but soo unnecessary.

[CFRTim]

I agree about plasmas pioneer/panasonic ...

but for lcd i wouldn't put sony before samsung...

Last I checked, the Sony panel is still made by Samsung. I know that Sony is looking at other options to compete better with Sammy, but for now I think that is still true.
Back on topic, this Pioneer is one of the best HDTVs you can buy, but it's still too much money for most people.

[porksoda]

Last I checked, the Sony panel is still made by Samsung. I know that Sony is looking at other options to compete better with Sammy, but for now I think that is still true.
Back on topic, this Pioneer is one of the best HDTVs you can buy, but it's still too much money for most people.

Yes rolls dice... gimme 60incher kuro..

[danman227460]

Last I checked, the Sony panel is still made by Samsung. I know that Sony is looking at other options to compete better with Sammy, but for now I think that is still true.

Pretty amazing. That's something I didn't know. I think its a good business idea because you can still sell TVs but without having to spend on panel manufacturing costs.

There are actually a lot of no frill brands that use other big name panels but since its a no frills brand and no way to check the panel maker, they get overlooked.

On topic, if you want the best, you have to pay for it. It's pretty much the same for everything out there.

[zzz3]

Don't plasma's consume more electricity then a LCD?

Umm if you can afford a $4500 plasma than an increase of what $60 overall a year (i believe my approx increase) should not be an issue.

[porksoda]

Umm if you can afford a $4500 plasma than an increase of what $60 overall a year (i believe my approx increase) should not be an issue.

how much tv do you watch in a year?

[dro3]

i dont watch tv at all .

[zzz3]

how much tv do you watch in a year?

I had my 5010 for about one and a half month, during which i did the break in plus probably a few hours of tv a day. I have had the 5020 for a few weeks and i just finished the break in, but yeah i did notice a slight increase in the bill so im guessing its the kuro.

[the_game151]

People will disagree with me on this...

but

normal tv i.e 480i looks way better on plasmas than compared to lcds... mostly has to do with the line doubler and the nature of lcd.

LCD seems to look best at its native res.

So true, my friends all opted for LCD and some of them still don't have HDTV sources, most just use them for games and dvd's.

The 480i that I do watch on plasma is great versus their LCD.

[ironblood]

I agree about plasmas pioneer/panasonic ...

but for lcd i wouldn't put sony before samsung...

In terms of sales... Samsung indeed hold the #1 spot in the world.
But for Quality I think Sony's XBR8 is still LCD TV's undisputed #1.
The fact that Samsung and Sony share the same LCD panel Factory does not make Samsung better, only the glass panels are similarities between the two, everything else is different (backlight, processing and circuitry). Sony actually have a bigger stake in the LCD panel making market with Sharp than with Samsung (~$900mil US vs. ~$105 bil US).

This is a Wicked deal tho... damn RF, this is a very tempting deal. Thanks OP!

[Keiichi]

Don't plasma's consume more electricity then a LCD?

I had believed this once, but someone here pointed me to Panasonic's site (which makes BOTH LCD and Plasma's) and their studies showed that any gains / losses are minor and are basically the same.

For plasmas, each pixel (made up of 3 chambers for the primary colours) definitely consumes more energy if they are on at the same time (white colour), however, to produce different colours, not all the chambers have to be on....and thus the energy usage fluctuates.

For LCD, it's a constant backlight, so it's easier to determine how much power the unit uses.

[Firestorm]

Don't plasma's consume more electricity then a LCD?Yes during bright scenes, no during dark scenes.

how does this compare to sharps 120hz 65LCD out there>?This Pioneer is the best TV that normal people can buy. I have never heard a single bad this about this TV. People rave about it. Seriously.

[HunterSlayer]

If you are on the fence, don't hesitate, this is a fantastic deal on a phenomenal television. I really wish I needed this but I am happy with my current plasma. Don't wait for new technology, a properly calibrated Pioneer is more than you will need for a long time.

[brozilla]

If my place was big enough to warrant a 50-60 inch plasma, a kuro (maybe even this Kuro at this sale price) would be the one. This past September I picked up a 42' pro-950HD Elite and without a doubt looks better than anything non-pio that I see in the stores today (even my 'could care less about electronics' wife thinks so). Initially I was going to follow Consumer Report's recommendations and buy a Panny PZ, but I fell in love with a Kuro.
You know what they say, "once you go black..." :cheesygri

[daftfunk]

Last I checked, the Sony panel is still made by Samsung. I know that Sony is looking at other options to compete better with Sammy, but for now I think that is still true.
Back on topic, this Pioneer is one of the best HDTVs you can buy, but it's still too much money for most people.

Sony's tenth gen advanced panels will be made by Sharp... made in Japan this time.

[jcon]

But for Quality I think Sony's XBR8 is still LCD TV's undisputed #1.

That is not true at all. The Samsung 9 series, is often regarded higher than the XBR8. Most regard it as the king of LCD now.

[dailce]

Aren't Sony's XBR like top of the class and better than any LCD and even comparable to plasmas? Thats what Ive read on some places. Depending on the person though, they could be interchangeable.

I own a sony xbr4, and my firend has a pioneer 720p.

I have tweaked the setting on my xbr4 and picture is really good; however, the pioneer has deeper blacks and blows my sony out of the water.

I didn't believe it when we looked at the pioneer in the store (stores never have a good signal going to their tvs), but once he hooked it up at home (out of the box) standard TV looks way better than LCD, and high-def is simply phenomenal.

Gonna go pioneer next time, seeing is believing.

[HockeyFan]

I wish I had a huge room to put a 60" in. If I got this, it would look disproportionate.

[sachin1]

Hmmm... I dont need a new TV until March when I move into my new place but this is tempting.

Any speculation on if you think a similar TVs will be going down by next year? If I bought it now it would just sit in a box until March

[justalad]

I think it's highly likely prices will be cheaper by March '09. This price is great for those looking to get one of these to use now.

Hmmm... I dont need a new TV until March when I move into my new place but this is tempting.

Any speculation on if you think a similar TVs will be going down by next year? If I bought it now it would just sit in a box until March

[no idea]

I don't know why anyone hasn't brought it up yet but I swear I saw this for $4500 on FS' recent FnF or customer appreciation where it was 10% off $5000 within the past month.

[lorax1284]

There are actually a lot of no frill brands that use other big name panels but since its a no frills brand and no way to check the panel maker, they get overlooked.

Since LCD and plasma manufacturing plants have "generations", I imagine the newest, best generation goes into this years models, and the plants churning out previous generation panels are used in the Vizios and Maxents etc.

If that is true, the TV you buy today will be 2011's Maxent or Soyo :-)

But I love my Panny plasma.

[CFRTim]

Can someone shed some light on the new Pioneer plasma Tvs. I think I read somewhere that Pioneer stoped making the panels and is buying them from Panasonic now. Is that true?

[no idea]

My understanding is that this is the final yr that pioneer is using their own glass and will be going with panny glass next yr.

[jcon]

Can someone shed some light on the new Pioneer plasma Tvs. I think I read somewhere that Pioneer stoped making the panels and is buying them from Panasonic now. Is that true?

Yes, they are buying the glass from Panasonic. However they will still be using their own components and technology to produce the plasma.

Hoping to see the new 10G Pioneers at the CES show next month. Hopefully any fears will have subsided with the show.

[scott_newsgroup]

I don't know why anyone hasn't brought it up yet but I swear I saw this for $4500 on FS' recent FnF or customer appreciation where it was 10% off $5000 within the past month.

You're right. I bought mine for $4499 last F&F sale... I would wait, because these are going to drop like a rock pretty soon (opinion only, but all I know is I got it for cheaper two weeks ago at FS).

[porksoda]

I wish I had a huge room to put a 60" in. If I got this, it would look disproportionate.

Optimum Watching Distances.

Size_______min dist_______max dist_______ideal
___________________________________________
42"_______05.25 ft_______08.75 ft_______07.00 ft
50"_______06.25 ft_______10.42 ft_______08.33 ft
60"_______07.50 ft_______12.50 ft_______10.00 ft

[Ebtek]

my wife would leave me :(

[porksoda]

my wife would leave me :(

Imagine Blu Ray pr0n. It maybe a fair transaction ;)

[hotweiss]

Here is something that shows the superiority of the Kuro:

http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/05/07/pioneer-kuro-and-friends-hands-on/

...the black levels are put in perspective.

[Ebtek]

Imagine Blu Ray pr0n. It maybe a fair transaction ;)

touche my good man. touche

[xinhang]

but doesnt plasma will always hv the problem of burn in? You cant really use that as a computer monitor if that problem exist.

[archimed]

but doesnt plasma will always hv the problem of burn in? You cant really use that as a computer monitor if that problem exist.

The Kuro's don't seem to have burn-in problems. I've had my 5080HD since September with zero burn-in.

[tashkent]

deal is over:arrowd: