View Full Version : DriveTest centre in Brampton has the highest failure rate in Ontario
jstaneon
Dec 7th, 2008, 06:07 PM
http://www.thestar.com/News/Ontario/article/549793
Documents show failure rates vary wildly, from 48.3% in Brampton to 9.9% in the Soo
Dec 07, 2008 04:30 AM
Daniel Dale
Staff Reporter
Ontario drivers who take their road tests in Brampton fail at nearly five times the rate of drivers in Sault Ste. Marie.
Drivers who test in Oakville fail at twice the rate of drivers in Kingston. Drivers who test in north Toronto fail at twice the rate of drivers in Sarnia. Even within the GTA, drivers who test at some locations fail significantly more often than drivers at others.
The rumours that have circulated for years among the province's driver's ed students are correct: there is indeed such a thing as a relatively easy or relatively difficult place to take a road test, government figures obtained via a freedom of information request confirm.
Between 2006 and the first three weeks of 2008, seven DriveTest locations in the GTA were among the 10 in the province that passed the lowest percentage of drivers. Failure rates were highest in Brampton (48 per cent), at a since-moved location in Scarborough (47 per cent), and in Oakville (45 per cent).
They were substantially lower in Oshawa (32 per cent), Burlington (27 per cent) and several non-GTA locations within easy driving distance of Toronto, such as Orillia (23 per cent) and Barrie (22 per cent).
On Nov. 18 the Liberal provincial government said it would toughen rules for young drivers. But variations in difficulty at test locations create a potentially dangerous loophole in the province's road safety regime, said driving instructors and Brian Patterson, president of the Ontario Safety League.
Since Ontario residents can take their road tests anywhere they choose, drivers can shop around for a location at which they are most likely to pass – even if driving conditions near that location are less challenging than the conditions in which they will regularly drive.
"You get a 17-year-old or 18-year-old. Just like everybody else, just like you and me, they want to pass their test. They go up to Aurora, because they hear there are a couple easy examiners, or just the test or the route itself is easy," said Tom Blyth, a former examiner and now owner of driving school ExExaminers.com.
"So they pass their test. Now they come back to Toronto after being tested in Aurora. They're immediately eligible for the 401. Even jumping onto the 400 heading south on your way home from the test in Aurora – that's not a parallel thing. That's very different."
In an email, the ministry of transportation did not agree the variation in failure rates makes the province's streets more dangerous, saying Ontario has some of the highest testing standards in the world.
Drivers still have to go through all the manoeuvres and all the requirements, whether they happen to be in one part of the province or another, Transportation Minister Jim Bradley said in an interview.
Ontario drivers are required to take G1 and G2 road tests, which have been conducted since 2003 by a subsidiary of a British company.
The extent to which drivers are selecting locations based on their perceived ease is difficult to determine, but five GTA instructors said a large percentage of their students do so.
More than half of 10,000 G2 tests at two non-GTA locations in 2006 were taken by GTA drivers, the provincial auditor wrote in 2007, and 66 drivers tried both locations even though they are over 300 kilometres apart.
Patterson of the Ontario Safety League said some instructors talk immigrant students into paying expensive fees to rent their cars to drive to far-flung easy locations.
Some instructors even offer bad advice. Hyla Zeifman's told her to take the G1 test in Scarborough, where the failure rate was higher than it was in nearby Downsview or Aurora.
"I passed," said Zeifman, 19, a Carleton University student from Thornhill. "I think I even hit a curb."
Failure rates may vary for several reasons. Most significant are differences in traffic between areas, the ministry said. Demographic factors may also contribute: GTA locations test more immigrants, some of whom struggle with Canadian driving rules.
But tests themselves can also vary in difficulty. For example, some locations may run tests shorter than ministry standards, while some require parallel parking in tighter quarters, instructors said.
Patterson said he has asked the ministry "at least three times" to require drivers to take tests at locations near their homes. Ministry staff said they were unaware of talks with him and were not considering the proposal.
But Bradley said, "We would certainly not actively rule it out by any means," though he remained noncommittal.
"There's certainly an advantage for any one of us, if the test is available, to try to take it in the area in which we live because that's where we're likely to be driving most often," said Bradley, whose government was heavily criticized after announcing strict new rules for young drivers.
He added: "When safety advocates and people involved in driver training ... make suggestions to us, we take them very seriously."
Ontario outsourced driver testing in 2003 to Serco Group, a British corporation that signed a 10-year, $138 million contract with the Progressive Conservative government.
The contract requires Serco, which declined to comment for this article, to maintain a monthly failure rate within four percentage points of the average pre-agreement failure rate for that month. But the government does not force Serco to maintain specific rates at individual testing centres, the ministry said, since such rules could be perceived as quotas and cause examiners to bias their judgments.
Nonetheless, the ministry said it is working with Serco to create target failure rate ranges for each centre. .
The province-wide failure rate was 38 per cent for G1 tests, 32 per cent for G2 tests. Drivers' chances, however, varied depending not only on where they were tested but on which of the province's 300-odd examiners tested them.
In Brampton, for example, one examiner failed 71 per cent of G1 drivers, another examiner 44 per cent. At Downsview, one failed 61 per cent, another 23 per cent.
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Dec 7th, 2008, 06:15 PM
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iDrewx
Dec 7th, 2008, 06:22 PM
I took all of mine tests at Oakville and I live in Mississauga. G1 test there was messed up, their question were so stupid and lacked information. G2 and G was a cake walk, just have to watch out for the railway crossing outside of the driving center I got marked for that because I didn't look TWICE before crossing, but still passed with flying colors :cheesygri
KorruptioN
Dec 7th, 2008, 06:35 PM
Did you have anything to add? No insight whatsoever?
Sazafraz
Dec 7th, 2008, 07:00 PM
Who cares about which place fails the most. It took me 2 tries to get my G2 at oakville. And besides, it's not like they expect you to drive normally as you would in a test, you have to exaggerate everything on the test. Having places that fail more than others means nothing.
user01
Dec 7th, 2008, 07:21 PM
Port Union is way ghastly.... :|:|:|
PsioniC
Dec 7th, 2008, 08:06 PM
Thats where I passed my test!
corrupt123
Dec 7th, 2008, 08:07 PM
In an email, the ministry of transportation did not agree the variation in failure rates makes the province's streets more dangerous, saying Ontario has some of the highest testing standards in the world.
HHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHHAHAHA
Thats the funniest thing I've ever heard!
angel_wing0
Dec 7th, 2008, 08:18 PM
HHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHHAHAHA
Thats the funniest thing I've ever heard!
I agree..he pulled that out of his ass.
y2dan
Dec 7th, 2008, 08:18 PM
What's more concerning is the difference in pass rates between instructors. How can one fail 70% and one fail 20%?
nX07
Dec 7th, 2008, 08:41 PM
Interesting, I got my G1 on my first attempt (all written as we all know), my G2 on my first attempt, and my G on my first attempt. For each stage of the graduated licensing process, I went to a different DriveTest centre; I don't think it matters much.
Also, for what it's worth, I took my G test at the Brampton Centre near the Cineplex/Costco, which I believe is the one they are referring to in this Article.
JAGpilot
Dec 7th, 2008, 09:08 PM
No matter what they say, it's all quotas. If they need to fail a person and your next in line, they'll fail you for something. Why do some people touch a curb but still pass but if you turn your wheel to the left while going into an intersection (to creep out slowly to make sure it's clear) you FAIL?
I can't wait till I go for my G test and then I'm finished with the wretched "DriveTest" centers. :mad:
Billa-786
Dec 7th, 2008, 09:26 PM
I took all of mine tests at Oakville and I live in Mississauga. G1 test there was messed up, their question were so stupid and lacked information. G2 and G was a cake walk, just have to watch out for the railway crossing outside of the driving center I got marked for that because I didn't look TWICE before crossing, but still passed with flying colors :cheesygri
Might be a cake walk now....but wasn't the case with the old location near the Go station. Downtown oneway maze and pedestrians made it quite the challenge especially during winter.
skeletor
Dec 7th, 2008, 10:03 PM
Agreed, most people I know including myself have failed on their first G attempt at Brampton.. This was well known among most people in brampton for years..
luthair
Dec 7th, 2008, 10:11 PM
No matter what they say, it's all quotas. If they need to fail a person and your next in line, they'll fail you for something. Why do some people touch a curb but still pass but if you turn your wheel to the left while going into an intersection (to creep out slowly to make sure it's clear) you FAIL?
I can't wait till I go for my G test and then I'm finished with the wretched "DriveTest" centers. :mad:
Because if you get hit from behind with the wheel cranked you're going into the lane with oncoming traffic.
bigredlemon
Dec 7th, 2008, 10:22 PM
I remember when I first failed my G test. The instructor said I was going to hit a jay-walking pedestrian. That pedestrian was 40 feet in front of me and I was goin 3km/hr. There were 2 cars between me and her.
The examiner said that if I had been going at the speed limit and there were no cars between us I could have hit her.
That was the first time I actually did the Picard-face-palm. Kind of sad how arbitrary the examiners are in who they fail. If bring a camcorder to the exam, the examiner will refuse to go with you citing privacy reasons too.
bananaman
Dec 7th, 2008, 10:36 PM
Really, I passed my G test in Brampton a few years ago.
I had to get into left-turning lane but there was a guy right to my left and another guy right behind me, so I couldn't really slow down. So I left off the gas, waited for the guy in left lane to pass, and then quickly merged and slammed on brakes. I thought I failed there...
And I forgot to merge into right-most lanes after turning left.
But I still passed...
corrupt123
Dec 7th, 2008, 11:11 PM
IMO if you kiss the curb (lightly and slowly) doing a 3 point turn, parking, or something along those lines it shouldn't necessaely be a failable offense. While you're just driving along though, definitely.
If your wheels are turned as you wait to make a left though, thats blatanty breaking the law AND dangerous.
Anyways, driving tests in Ontario (and indeed, probably North America) are a joke. I'm pretty sure I could teach a monkey to pass the G1 test, possibly the G2 if I was allowed to show them the route.
tebore
Dec 7th, 2008, 11:27 PM
I just figured Brampton would have a high failure rate because people living near it would go there and clearly brampton's got some really bad drivers. :lol:
My friend who lives up there can't parallel park so he needs plaza parking when he comes downtown.
JAGpilot
Dec 8th, 2008, 12:14 AM
I didn't have my wheel "cranked". I'm sitting in an intersection and slightly moving right, slowly. While I wait my foot is on the brake and if I was to be hit from behind I wouldn't really go into traffic. I don't let myself get into the oncoming lane and if I have gone to far, I immediately move more to the right.
The moral of the story is, they fail people if they need to and everyone know's it's a scam. They pass a bunch of other ****s who cannot drive for **** but me, who has never had a moving collision gets failed for minor things. The first time I failed my G1 it was totally my error. I was doing a 3-point turn and I was concentrating too much on turning the wheel the amount of times they told us to and I forgot to put the car into DRIVE. I backed into the curb, not onto it but still, my error totally.
shannn
Dec 8th, 2008, 12:30 AM
HHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHHAHAHA
Thats the funniest thing I've ever heard!
haha, I lol'd as well
matdwyer
Dec 8th, 2008, 04:42 AM
OK SCREW THIS! I lived in Orillia and hated this.
Way back when it took me 4 frigin months to book a g2 test - I was furious.
Some of the driving schools from the GTA (I wont name any or any ethnicities) actually book every one of the tests months and months in advance. They drive up with 2 or 3 cars, 12 people, and would literally take up an entire day of g2 tests. I talked to the tested about it too, he said he hated it, and marked them harder because they thought it would be easier (which I loved).
Anyway, stay in your own damn city to do your damn tests so the people who the testing center was meant for can get a chance :mad: They give the centers % of funding/staff based on population, so when you get so many people from the GTA driving an hour north, it screws the people its meant for.
Also, I've had the pleasure of driving behind these people on their test and I always honk at them to make them nervous (yeah I'm a jerk) haha
matdwyer
Dec 8th, 2008, 04:43 AM
IMO if you kiss the curb (lightly and slowly) doing a 3 point turn, parking, or something along those lines it shouldn't necessaely be a failable offense. While you're just driving along though, definitely.
If your wheels are turned as you wait to make a left though, thats blatanty breaking the law AND dangerous.
Anyways, driving tests in Ontario (and indeed, probably North America) are a joke. I'm pretty sure I could teach a monkey to pass the G1 test, possibly the G2 if I was allowed to show them the route.
You can fail any 2 components of the test and still pass. I.e. if you fail parallel parking & forget to shoulder check once, you can still pass.
Bskll
Dec 8th, 2008, 07:21 AM
You can fail any 2 components of the test and still pass. I.e. if you fail parallel parking & forget to shoulder check once, you can still pass.
not if its a major one. failing to shoulder check while you're backing out = instant fail.
when i did my g2 test, this girl was backing out of parking space but some jackass decided to speed past her on her tail end, the tester immediately told her to drive back in and failed the test.
dealtacular
Dec 8th, 2008, 08:06 AM
Anyway, stay in your own damn city to do your damn tests so the people who the testing center was meant for can get a chance :mad: They give the centers % of funding/staff based on population, so when you get so many people from the GTA driving an hour north, it screws the people its meant for.
Except that wait lists aren't equal everywhere, so people often have to get tested outside their area to get their license sooner.
Funding may be based on population, but that does not correlate to demand, which would depend on demographics.
When I took my G2 test, the wait time was 7 months. Outside the city, as low as a couple of weeks. You can always hope for cancellations but it's no guarantee. Luckily, my driving instructor had told me to book early so I could take mine in the city.
KelvinK
Dec 8th, 2008, 08:20 AM
lol, we should make it like finland
has anyone seen that top gear episode where they went to finland and said some facts about kids taking 5 years (or so) to get their license?
could you imagine not driving until you're 21? lol
JAGpilot
Dec 8th, 2008, 08:36 AM
I heard they also offer G1 tests in a few different languages other than English and French. Is that not totally counter productive?? If you can't read English (or French) how are you going to read the road signs?
untaka
Dec 8th, 2008, 10:14 AM
I just figured Brampton would have a high failure rate because people living near it would go there and clearly brampton's got some really bad drivers. :lol:
My friend who lives up there can't parallel park so he needs plaza parking when he comes downtown.
I totally agree, and I think thats why Brampton has the highest failure rate, it was nothing to do with the location everything to do with the people.
corrupt123
Dec 8th, 2008, 12:46 PM
I heard they also offer G1 tests in a few different languages other than English and French. Is that not totally counter productive?? If you can't read English (or French) how are you going to read the road signs?
I've been saying that for years. Ever since I got into an accident with a woman who couldn't even tell me her name her English was so bad. How can anyone logically think it's safe to drive in a country where you can't read the signs?
Driving here is a joke.
cheapmeister
Dec 8th, 2008, 11:22 PM
I totally agree, and I think thats why Brampton has the highest failure rate, it was nothing to do with the location everything to do with the people.
People in Brampton don't respect the stop lights and are also too lazy to stop. They see every colour in like this red= red Green=green and yellow=yellow.
There are many accidents at intersections.
Cheap Cat
Dec 9th, 2008, 12:59 PM
I totally agree, and I think thats why Brampton has the highest failure rate, it was nothing to do with the location everything to do with the people.
+1
Having only moved to Brampton in the last few years, I was shocked at how bad the drivers are here. I believe this plays a large role in the failure rate. Brampton drivers are also the most inconsiderate drivers in the GTA. They don't know the meaning of the word "merge". No one will wait while you back out of a space. They see you backing out and keep going behind you. I was half backed out of a parking spot once and I had one car trying to go around the back of the car and another trying to go around the front of my car. Most places you just have to back into the spot; otherwise, you won't be able to get out of it.
My first time attending church in Brampton, I waited over 15 minutes before someone would let me back out of my parking spot and I'm a fairly aggressive driver and these were people just coming out of church. I wondered why every driver had backed into their spot. I have never seen anything like it. Backing out of a parking spot is definitely a danagerous activity in Brampton.
There are also alot of these fly by night driving schools in Brampton. When you see how bad these instructors drive, then you can understand why their students are failing.
Kommander_KornFlakes
Jan 1st, 2009, 01:32 PM
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I would had thought that the centers with worse driver's test failures would had been the ones at Markham and Spadina/Dundas W. :o
board123
Jan 1st, 2009, 01:40 PM
I passed G1 and G2 road tests on the first try at Kitchener. I think Kitchener is one of the easier places. I know Guelph is among the easiest.
BobSaget
Jan 1st, 2009, 02:17 PM
In Germany a driving license costs upwards of $2000 and your test must include driving at night time and in wet conditions. In Finland a full license takes a minimum of three years to complete, and you must learn how to counter steer as you car spins out of control. I think you also have to take the test using a manual transmission.
Driver's Ed is a joke in North America. It is far too easy to pass and as a result we produce some of the worst drivers in the world. I've been to the Philippines and traffic there is unbelievably chaotic but when comparing driving skills they are superior to Canadians and Americans. I've seen videos of traffic in Italy and they are crazy drivers too.
George W. Bush
Jan 1st, 2009, 03:48 PM
It can mean one of two things:
a) the people working there are inept
b) the people working there are very strict and expect new drivers to know HOW to actually drive
George W. Bush
Jan 1st, 2009, 03:49 PM
In Germany a driving license costs upwards of $2000 and your test must include driving at night time and in wet conditions. In Finland a full license takes a minimum of three years to complete, and you must learn how to counter steer as you car spins out of control. I think you also have to take the test using a manual transmission.
Driver's Ed is a joke in North America. It is far too easy to pass and as a result we produce some of the worst drivers in the world. I've been to the Philippines and traffic there is unbelievably chaotic but when comparing driving skills they are superior to Canadians and Americans. I've seen videos of traffic in Italy and they are crazy drivers too.
I totally agree with this. Everything in N.A. from education to tests (ie. easy, to encourage business and further referrals) is BAD for the people on the streets. Good for business though...
Grand Master B
Jan 1st, 2009, 03:55 PM
Why am I not surprised, Brampton has the worst drivers. If you can't pass your driving test, you should not be driving.
theavonlady
Jan 1st, 2009, 04:33 PM
+1
Having only moved to Brampton in the last few years, I was shocked at how bad the drivers are here. I believe this plays a large role in the failure rate. Brampton drivers are also the most inconsiderate drivers in the GTA. They don't know the meaning of the word "merge". No one will wait while you back out of a space. They see you backing out and keep going behind you. I was half backed out of a parking spot once and I had one car trying to go around the back of the car and another trying to go around the front of my car. Most places you just have to back into the spot; otherwise, you won't be able to get out of it.
My first time attending church in Brampton, I waited over 15 minutes before someone would let me back out of my parking spot and I'm a fairly aggressive driver and these were people just coming out of church. I wondered why every driver had backed into their spot. I have never seen anything like it. Backing out of a parking spot is definitely a danagerous activity in Brampton.
There are also alot of these fly by night driving schools in Brampton. When you see how bad these instructors drive, then you can understand why their students are failing.
+1 million
I've lived in Brampton pretty much all my life... It's just nuts to drive here!!!
(I've never failed thankfully!)
tebore
Jan 1st, 2009, 05:08 PM
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I would had thought that the centers with worse driver's test failures would had been the ones at Markham and Spadina/Dundas W. :o
1. There's no centre at Spadina and Dundas W.
2. That's one of the busiest areas of the downtown area with one of the most confusing intersection layouts.
3. I'm sure we're all surprised you're allowed to drive.
Watching Canada's Worst Drivers and comparing World's worst drivers. I'm sure NA is home to the worst driver in the world and home to the largest population of the World's worst drivers.
Jon Lai
Jan 1st, 2009, 05:26 PM
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I would had thought that the centers with worse driver's test failures would had been the ones at Markham and Spadina/Dundas W. :o
There's also no center in Markham...
UrbanPoet
Jan 1st, 2009, 05:30 PM
In Germany a driving license costs upwards of $2000 and your test must include driving at night time and in wet conditions. In Finland a full license takes a minimum of three years to complete, and you must learn how to counter steer as you car spins out of control. I think you also have to take the test using a manual transmission.
Driver's Ed is a joke in North America. It is far too easy to pass and as a result we produce some of the worst drivers in the world. I've been to the Philippines and traffic there is unbelievably chaotic but when comparing driving skills they are superior to Canadians and Americans. I've seen videos of traffic in Italy and they are crazy drivers too.
But we also have huge streets, lots of lanes, and less vehicle/population density.
lip
Jan 1st, 2009, 05:59 PM
+1 million
I've lived in Brampton pretty much all my life... It's just nuts to drive here!!!
(I've never failed thankfully!)
+1
Brampton is full of terrible drivers.
onexeyed
Jan 1st, 2009, 08:43 PM
When I took my G2 I few years ago, I passed on my third try. I never practiced driving prior to the exam before so I guess I deserved to fail until I did practice. Anyway, I got the same driver examiner for my first two tests and I failed both times. When I went to check in for the third test, the driver examiner that originally failed me twice was behind the desk performing clerical duties. That definitely took me by surprise. My driving instructor told me that on bad examiners occasionally get put on probation and pushed to clerical duties.
From my experience, I think a terrible place to drive is London because people run through red lights, are rude and don't yield to drivers. It's probably one of the reasons why there are so many accidents at the main intersections in London. I think the drivers in the GTA or Kitchener-Waterloo are much more polite and yield to drivers, especially during heavy traffic.
nX07
Jan 1st, 2009, 11:11 PM
I hate that on Bovaird Drive everyone loves to drive 55 to 60km/h when its posted 70km/h. I love how at Main St. & Bovaird everyone takes their sweet time when the light turns green going east/west and you usually have to wait two light cycles if the traffic is at the rear of the Mitsubishi Dealership.
cheapmeister
Jan 3rd, 2009, 12:52 AM
I hate that on Bovaird Drive everyone loves to drive 55 to 60km/h when its posted 70km/h. I love how at Main St. & Bovaird everyone takes their sweet time when the light turns green going east/west and you usually have to wait two light cycles if the traffic is at the rear of the Mitsubishi Dealership.
Thats cause there is a Rona, Fortinos, and the ever so popular Walmart[B] on that corner! So many peeps turning into the WALMART, this slows down traffic. Also peeps can't drive forward on a green light immediately due to the fact that everyone else is running the red light. The red light looks red to them!
[B]Stay alert at the intersections in brampton and keep on living
Baseball_Boy
Jan 3rd, 2009, 10:46 AM
Brampton drivers are really bad. I remember when I was doing my driving test, I needed to get in the lane next to me to get on the highway and no one would let me in for a good 10 min, mind you I was in a driving school car! :mad:
phomp
Jan 3rd, 2009, 07:10 PM
From driving in Brampton I am not surprised.
When I hear people say that the Brampton test is harder or marked harder and that is why more people fail I find it funny. Prehaps its just the drivers in that area, the test is the same.
DeimosBeros
Jan 3rd, 2009, 11:51 PM
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I would had thought that the centers with worse driver's test failures would had been the ones at Markham and Spadina/Dundas W. :o
:lol:
I see what you did there.
drivershusband
Jan 12th, 2009, 08:48 AM
The contract requires Serco, which declined to comment for this article, to maintain a monthly failure rate within four percentage points of the average pre-agreement failure rate for that month.
Failure rates within a quota? Did I hear it right? You've gotta be kidding me!!
I mean, if 95% of drivers in a given month come in and do perfect tests (hypothetically), a large percentage of them still would have to be failed FOR NO REASON other than meeting a quota?? Or worst: if 80% of them come in with no training at all, and completely screw up the whole test, a bunch of them would still be given a licence...?? AND THIS IS WRITTEN IN AN OFFICIAL GOVERNMENT CONTRACT?
AND... the Ministry of Transportation has the audacity to say that Ontario has one of the highest testing standards in the world?
I am speechless...
hurtstopee
Jan 12th, 2009, 11:04 AM
I took all of mine tests at Oakville and I live in Mississauga. G1 test there was messed up, their question were so stupid and lacked information. G2 and G was a cake walk, just have to watch out for the railway crossing outside of the driving center I got marked for that because I didn't look TWICE before crossing, but still passed with flying colors :cheesygri
+1 for oakville!
i did all my exams in different places (G1 in mississauga, G2 in oakville, G3 in scarborough/markham passing all on my first try)
oakville was a joke, its like 90% 1 lane roads (so no worrying about keeping right), schools/residential areas everywhere so you only had to drive 40-50km/h, and there were only 2 traffic lights and 1 railroad.
only thing i had trouble with was a wide turn out of the examination place since i did my examination in a van =\
ES_Revenge
Jan 12th, 2009, 12:50 PM
Not a surprise considering Brampton probably has some of the worst drivers in the country. However the fact that these people still get on the roads and drive is a lot more scary than is the highest failure rate stat comforting.
Lowest failure rate in SSM is not a surprise either, the driving "tests" there are jokes and they don't really have any difficult roads/intersections or even a real highway to go on. Of course they too have their fair share of people that suck at driving, so it just goes to show the driver's test is largely useless as it doesn't really test a damn thing.
DaVibe
Jan 12th, 2009, 01:05 PM
Brampton.
That's because the people in Brampton can't drive!
Muhahahahaaaaaaa
Honestly, we need a 2-sectioned driving test. You drive in the winter and you drive in the summer. I don't even care that there is or isn't snow on the ground, it's just a different attitude when you drive. Windows fog up, slush on the ground, and worst come to worst, you'll have to drive in snow.
You take your test on some rural road out in nowhere land and you PASS, that doesn't make it safe for me here in North York. I see A LOT of bad drivers every day. And my definition by bad driving is pretty stup!d judgements made. Not aggressive, but bad decisions. No control, no understanding, no consideration. That to me is a bad driver.
phaedarus
Jan 12th, 2009, 10:27 PM
I avoided the Graduated Licensing scam altogether by testing in Manitoba several years back; a province that still operates under the old system.
It is $10 for the 365 (if they still call it that) written test and $25 for the road test. The road test is 15 minutes long. I didn't have to wait for extended periods in between test attempts unlike in Ontario.
Once I received my license, I waited out the full term without driving (wasn't in any hurry to drive) as you cannot obtain a full G license in Ontario without further testing until you have spent 2 years driving in another Canadian province.
When that day finally arrived, I exchanged my Manitoba license for an Ontario G license with full privileges :)
jetway1212
Jan 13th, 2009, 12:52 AM
There's also no center in Markham...
i cant believe you and tebore response to this jackass. I didnt bother to check,but i could clearly see he implied racism.
Scoobysubaru
Mar 20th, 2009, 11:29 PM
+1 million
I've lived in Brampton pretty much all my life... It's just nuts to drive here!!!
Brampton is like the jungle of Bengal, cross that town at your own peril.
Avatar
Mar 21st, 2009, 12:28 PM
"all road lead to brampton"
bananaman
Mar 21st, 2009, 02:07 PM
Agreed, most people I know including myself have failed on their first G attempt at Brampton.. This was well known among most people in brampton for years..
I must be the lucky one. I passed my G test on first try, even though there was a time I had to slam on my brakes in order to get into the left turn lane. It was almost impossible.
Make a right turn, and quickly make 3 lane changes before the intersection.
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