Wireless Routers- conflicting information

[mcewen]

So I am getting different information from research vs. Futureshop "experts"...

I want to get a wireless router to connect a few of the computers in my home.

I have cordless phones at home... 2.4Ghz phones.

Did some online research...seems that 2.4 Ghz cordless phones and 802.11b/g (and some n) interferes with one another.

I initially thought the only solution was to either get new cordless phones (DEC 6.0 or 5.8Ghz) or get a Dual Band Router.

But the guy at FS tells me that I won't have a problem with a 802.11g router, even though it operates at the same frequency of my cordless phones.

Can anyone confirm?

ALSO.... Been doing a bit of thinking. A router has an "address" right? If I was to leave my home computer network connected to the net... and I was at a friends house.. and I new the address of the router... would it be possible to connect to my computer remotely?

[l69norm]

.....Did some online research...seems that 2.4 Ghz cordless phones and 802.11b/g (and some n) interferes with one another.....

You could look for a wifi compatible 2.4 GHz cordless phone, but DECT and 5.8 GHz phones are so cheap I don't think there's any point:
http://www.lockergnome.com/windows/2005/08/12/wi-fi-friendly-cordless-phones/

Vtech made wifi friendly 2.4 GHz phones.

[Jayhoo]

So I am getting different information from research vs. Futureshop "experts"...

I want to get a wireless router to connect a few of the computers in my home.

I have cordless phones at home... 2.4Ghz phones.

Did some online research...seems that 2.4 Ghz cordless phones and 802.11b/g (and some n) interferes with one another.

I initially thought the only solution was to either get new cordless phones (DEC 6.0 or 5.8Ghz) or get a Dual Band Router.

But the guy at FS tells me that I won't have a problem with a 802.11g router, even though it operates at the same frequency of my cordless phones.

Can anyone confirm?

ALSO.... Been doing a bit of thinking. A router has an "address" right? If I was to leave my home computer network connected to the net... and I was at a friends house.. and I new the address of the router... would it be possible to connect to my computer remotely?

In most cases, you won't have any significant issues with a 2.4GHz cordless phone with 802.11b/g routers. Like the other poster said, if you wanted to avoid the mess altogether, get 5.8GHz phones. Keeping in mind, athough both devices operate on the 2.4GHz band, they both have the ability to change to different "channels", or sub frequencies, ie. 2.415GHz, so it shouldn't be an issue. I've worked with WiFi devices for years and have only encountered a cordless phone causing significant issues a handful of times.

If you have the proper software (and router firewall) setup, it would be indeed possible to remote into your computer from outside. You have a multitude of choices to remote in, such as VNC, remote desktop, VPN. Do your research on these and determine which best suits your needs.

[morglum82]

So I am getting different information from research vs. Futureshop "experts"...

I want to get a wireless router to connect a few of the computers in my home.

I have cordless phones at home... 2.4Ghz phones.

Did some online research...seems that 2.4 Ghz cordless phones and 802.11b/g (and some n) interferes with one another.

I initially thought the only solution was to either get new cordless phones (DEC 6.0 or 5.8Ghz) or get a Dual Band Router.

But the guy at FS tells me that I won't have a problem with a 802.11g router, even though it operates at the same frequency of my cordless phones.

Can anyone confirm?

ALSO.... Been doing a bit of thinking. A router has an "address" right? If I was to leave my home computer network connected to the net... and I was at a friends house.. and I new the address of the router... would it be possible to connect to my computer remotely?

The 2.4 GHz question has been anwered.

Now to the "remote access" one..

Your router has an address, but you always have an address, even if you dont have a router. It's actually easier to understand without a router.

Just go to "whereismyip.com" and it'll tell you what your ip address is.
Now, just set up a server on your computer and give your IP address to your friends.(FTP (http://filezilla-project.org/download.php?type=server), HTTP (http://httpd.apache.org/docs/1.3/windows.html), VNC (http://www.uvnc.com/).

FTP = easy access to your files
HTTP = host a web site
VNC = remotely control your computer

The problem is that your ip address is dynamic (it'll change all the time). To get around this problem, you can get a free address like yourname.servehttp.com at NO-IP (http://www.no-ip.com/)
and run a small program to automatically update this link with your current address..


A router will be needed later to increase security (it usually has an integrated firewall to block access), but will also make it slightly harder to set up.

Hope that helps.

[samab]

Actually most of the 2.4 Ghz phones use a combination of 900 MHz (phone to base station) and 2.4 GHz (base station to phone).

Most of the 5.8 Ghz phones use a combination of 5.8 Ghz and 2.4 GHz.

You really need to go to the FCC website and do a search to find out the precise spec (flip over your phone and there is a sticker with a FCC ID).

https://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/oetcf/eas/reports/GenericSearch.cfm

I have this inexpensive 2.4 GHz phone from Uniden.

http://www.uniden.com/products/productdetail.cfm?product=EXP2240

Do a FCC search (last page in the pdf) and you will find out that it will use wifi channel 4 and 5.

https://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/prod/oet/forms/blobs/retrieve.cgi?attachment_id=223957&native_or_pdf=pdf

So if I set my wireless router to channel 11, my 2.4 GHz phone will never interfere with my wifi.

[silentio]

2.4ghz phones coexist with b/g routers just fine. It's a matter of testing each of the 11 channels and seeing which one conflicts the least.

[mcewen]

Actually most of the 2.4 Ghz phones use a combination of 900 MHz (phone to base station) and 2.4 GHz (base station to phone).

Most of the 5.8 Ghz phones use a combination of 5.8 Ghz and 2.4 GHz.

You really need to go to the FCC website and do a search to find out the precise spec (flip over your phone and there is a sticker with a FCC ID).

https://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/oetcf/eas/reports/GenericSearch.cfm

I have this inexpensive 2.4 GHz phone from Uniden.

http://www.uniden.com/products/productdetail.cfm?product=EXP2240


Do a FCC search (last page in the pdf) and you will find out that it will use wifi channel 4 and 5.

https://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/prod/oet/forms/blobs/retrieve.cgi?attachment_id=223957&native_or_pdf=pdf

So if I set my wireless router to channel 11, my 2.4 GHz phone will never interfere with my wifi.


Found it.

The "Frequency Table" indicates 20 difference channels, and frequencies for the Base and the Portable.

The Base ranges from 2428.522419 Mhz to 2434.190032 Mhz.
The Portable ranges from 925.942117 Mhz to 927.831322 Mhz.
So.. assuming my Base is no where near any access points (see.. I am learning already)... I should be ok.. because the actual handheld is operating in the 900 Mhz range.

BTW - The FCC ID is: G9H2-1018A

So... assuming I am correct (which of course.. is sometimes a stretch...). 802.11b/g/n will be ok.. any of them.

so... next question.... I saw this (http://www.thesource.ca/estore/Product.aspx?language=en-CA&catalog=Online&category=WirelessNetwork&product=2513229)router in The Source flyer yesterday. Is it worth it? $39.99 on sale from $59.99. It was advertised with this (http://www.thesource.ca/estore/Product.aspx?language=en-CA&catalog=Online&category=WirelessNetwork&product=2513536) adapter... also $39.99 ( reg $59.99).
Both are Dlink rangebooster....
so.. if the router is too "entry level" and I get a better router... is it ok to get that adapter? Or are they usually paired up with one another?

PS - do all wireless routers have options to hard wire one in also?

thanks again.

[mcewen]

followup.. the above models of Dlink router/adapter is advertised at Bestbuy for 59.99 and 60.99. PM opportunity.....

[hytong]

http://portforward.com/guides.htm

[mcewen]

been reading reviews... above combination is pretty entry level... Even though all i need is entry level at this time.... I never know about the future.

found this:
Dlink N - Dual band rangebooster. DIR- 628
Bestbuy (http://www.bestbuy.ca/catalog/proddetail.asp?logon=&langid=EN&sku_id=0926INGFS10111329&catid=26055)- 109.99
Future Shop (http://www.futureshop.ca/catalog/proddetail.asp?logon=&langid=EN&sku_id=0665000FS10111329&catid=19994) - 69.99
Another pm opportunity... 74.57 after tax.

Better option?

[morglum82]

been reading reviews... above combination is pretty entry level... Even though all i need is entry level at this time.... I never know about the future.

found this:
Dlink N - Dual band rangebooster. DIR- 628
Bestbuy (http://www.bestbuy.ca/catalog/proddetail.asp?logon=&langid=EN&sku_id=0926INGFS10111329&catid=26055)- 109.99
Future Shop (http://www.futureshop.ca/catalog/proddetail.asp?logon=&langid=EN&sku_id=0665000FS10111329&catid=19994) - 69.99
Another pm opportunity... 74.57 after tax.

Better option?

If you don't have any "N' card, get this guy:
http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/showthread.php?t=662003

60$ tax and shipping included, - 20$us MIR = about 35$ all included
for a router that you can flash to DD-WRT or TOMATO that's pretty good.

[samab]

The Base ranges from 2428.522419 Mhz to 2434.190032 Mhz.
The Portable ranges from 925.942117 Mhz to 927.831322 Mhz.
So.. assuming my Base is no where near any access points (see.. I am learning already)... I should be ok.. because the actual handheld is operating in the 900 Mhz range.

That's not true. 2.4 GHz needs more power to cover the same area --- that's why it's used in the base station (because it's AC-powered). The handset uses a battery, that's why it uses 900 MHz.

All you need to know is that 2428.552419 Mhz to 2434.190032 Mhz is in the wifi channels 4 and 5. So if you have a wifi router, set it to channels that don't use those frequencies.

See this chart.

http://www.cisco.com/en/US/docs/wireless/technology/channel/deployment/guide/Channel.html#wp101590

[samab]

Your G9H2-1018A is a 2.4 GHz FHSS phone --- in both directions.

https://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/prod/oet/forms/blobs/retrieve.cgi?attachment_id=452932&native_or_pdf=pdf

FHSS is the "bad" kind of wireless phone.

http://www.wi-fiplanet.com/tutorials/article.php/3488126

[Pinuz]

Or get a Dect........
I have problems with a panasonic 5.8
the thennant that leaves in my basement has a 2wire telus wireless that trasmits at 400mw.....my two linksys with tomato trasmit @42mw and when I walk over his room in my house and I talk on the phone, other people can't hear me, my voice becomes fragmented (tried few solution nothing works), only shutting down that f.....router eliminates the problem completely.

Anyone experiencing this problem?