USA November Car Sales - OUCH!!!

[Engi-Nir]

Toyota Down 34%;
Lexus down 34.7%
Honda Down 31%;
Acura down 38.9%
Ford Down 31%;
VW Down 19%
Audi Down 25.4%
Hyundai down 40%
BMW down 36.1%

Surprising, I thought GM will be down 80% or something :D Seriously, how does this happen, they didn't do that bad for all the bankruptcy talk that started in October.

GM down 41%

[aquariaguy]

Who wants to buy a car when the warranty will be null and void in a few months? I guess the non-American car companies should start bitchin and complaining for more money too.

I think I read somewhere that Toyota was actually up in Canada for sales.

[woobie]

Hardly surprising, people who are worried about loosing their job aren't going to be buying new cars.

[SkiD]

You missed Nissan down 42.2% in the states.

Canadian numbers:
Overall: -10%
Acura: -59%
Chrysler: -16%
Ford: +1%
GM: -23%
Honda: -27%
Nissan: +2%
Toyota: 0%

Did Honda have really crappy finance rates or something?

[chrome_dout]

You missed Nissan down 42.2% in the states.

Canadian numbers:
Overall: -10%
Acura: -59%
Chrysler: -16%
Ford: +1%
GM: -23%
Honda: -27%
Nissan: +2%
Toyota: 0%

Did Honda have really crappy finance rates or something?

I think Acura buyers came to their senses and went to Europe - 3 series/C class/A3-4 all are pretty damn nice compared to the gimp offerings from Acura.

[Engi-Nir]

You missed Nissan down 42.2% in the states.

Canadian numbers:
Overall: -10%
Acura: -59%
Chrysler: -16%
Ford: +1%
GM: -23%
Honda: -27%
Nissan: +2%
Toyota: 0%

Did Honda have really crappy finance rates or something?

Besides Accord and Civic, Honda really doesn't have much offerings. Weird last month also sales drop (-25.5%)

Acura is a dying investment from Honda, it has yet to have a positive month over 2yrs now in states.

2008 sales -every month sales decline
2007 sales -10.8%
2006 Sales -3.7%

[BartBandy]

Acura got rid of their volume seller in the Integra/RSX in an attempt to move "upmarket", the RL is a flop (they never intended to sell a lot, but they sold even less), and the new TSX and TL have been roundly panned in reviews and look...weird. The MDX may be their best vehicle right now, and nobody buys SUVs any more.

Acura appears to be a rudderless ship right now.

[Badman]

Acura used to be one of my favorite brands they had a nice lineup before but now its hard to choose which one will be okay(at best)

TSX will still be good as well as the MDX but everything else just went downhill.

[zivan56]

Toyota and Lexus North America stats:
http://pressroom.toyota.com/Releases/View?id=TYT2008120281030

Toyota
Cars: -31.1%
Trucks: -37.4%

Lexus
Cars: -40.0%
Trucks: -26.9%

Where did you guys get your stats?

According to Global:
(in Canada)
Honda: -33%
Toyota: +1.9%
Chrysler: -15%

[blainehamilton]

You know what this means. Lots and lots of new 2008s and 2009s still for sale next fall at huge markdowns from the sticker price...

[dash riprock]

You missed Nissan down 42.2% in the states.

Canadian numbers:
Overall: -10%
Acura: -59%
Chrysler: -16%
Ford: +1%
GM: -23%
Honda: -27%
Nissan: +2%
Toyota: 0%

Did Honda have really crappy finance rates or something?


For more fun look at some individual model sales numbers, Nissan Titan was down 79% as an example. Scarily horrible what is happening in the usa

[dealmeone]

And yet, not surprisingly, CEO bonuses still intact.

Just get rid of tens of thousands of working employees to keep the fat bosses around and their piggy lifestyles protected.

"This little piggy flew to Washington on his jet, this little piggy flew in on his,
The third little piggy flew to Washington on his jet too, and all 3 piggies,
went hee hee hee hee, all the way to the bank!"

[at1212b]

Not that surprising considering that about 1/3 of cars in the past few years had been financed by home equity loans, based on the over inflated value of their houses.

There was also a article regarding even Toyota (amongst Mercedes and other imports - I didn't realize that they got shipped to the West) taking large leases of land near the main shipping port in California where they get shipped from Japan as inventory has been piling up and no place to store it.

Mainly because dealers order months in advance and inventory cannot be adjusted that quickly.

[aquariaguy]

Acura used to be one of my favorite brands they had a nice lineup before but now its hard to choose which one will be okay(at best)

TSX will still be good as well as the MDX but everything else just went downhill.

The RDX is an absolute pleasure to drive.

[T-Man]

Those numbers I believe are because people are not getting approved by the banks. One thing I noticed at least where I work at, is we're still selling volumes, but half the deals, are declined by the banks. So I don't think its people are afraid to buy due to economical uncertainty or whatever, its just the banks are getting tougher on who they approve or decline.

[saugaboy]

All companies are trying to get as many sales as possible during Christmas ( the biggest spending time of the year) if they still have inventory in january its gonna be big trouble.

Yearly bonises will be spent,
Companies adjust their budgets on car allowances.
automatic 1 year depriceation.
many companies will close thier doors after December.

[pitz]

The new car industry (and imports) could probably shut down for 2 or 3 years without any major impact on the ability of Americans to own and operate cars.

There are almost as many cars as there are Americans, which means, since kids, the very elderly, and others don't own any cars, the average car-owning and car-using American household has quite an excess of cars.

Naturally, car sales should be falling as well since miles driven has fallen, and cars last significantly longer due to technological advances in engines and materials.

[sixer]

Acura got rid of their volume seller in the Integra/RSX in an attempt to move "upmarket", the RL is a flop (they never intended to sell a lot, but they sold even less), and the new TSX and TL have been roundly panned in reviews and look...weird. The MDX may be their best vehicle right now, and nobody buys SUVs any more.

Acura appears to be a rudderless ship right now.

The Integra will always be the greatest car Acura has ever built.
Made in Japan and bulletproof.

[mikeycanuk]

The arrogance of Honda is catching up to them. Good product that they think consumers should be thanking Honda for buying.

[thelefteyeguy]

You know what this means. Lots and lots of new 2008s and 2009s still for sale next fall at huge markdowns from the sticker price...

you may think that but likely they have forecasted in advance and reduced production already

[T-Man]

you may think that but likely they have forecasted in advance and reduced production already


Agreed! That would explain why there are layoffs/plant closure= number of vehicles being produced.

Another common misconception I sometimes get are "but the 08's will be cheaper next month". This may be true, I've seen it go both ways. On one hand, I got a co-worker who's customer showed up 5 times, got numbers and kept insisting it will be better the following month. On the 5th time, it was the start of the new month and the rebates incentive was $500 less, so the customer ended up paying $500 more plus taxes. Or the "following month" the incentive are slightly better on whatever 08's but the model with the options/colours the customer wants are no longer available so you end up going 09 or pay $3000 more for options/equipment you don't need.

[ES_Revenge]

Toyota Down 34%;
Lexus down 34.7%
Honda Down 31%;
Acura down 38.9%
Ford Down 31%;
VW Down 19%
Audi Down 25.4%
Hyundai down 40%
BMW down 36.1%

Surprising, I thought GM will be down 80% or something :D Seriously, how does this happen, they didn't do that bad for all the bankruptcy talk that started in October.

GM down 41%

You missed Nissan down 42.2% in the states.

Canadian numbers:
Overall: -10%
Acura: -59%
Chrysler: -16%
Ford: +1%
GM: -23%
Honda: -27%
Nissan: +2%
Toyota: 0%

Did Honda have really crappy finance rates or something?

Toyota and Lexus North America stats:
http://pressroom.toyota.com/Releases/View?id=TYT2008120281030

Toyota
Cars: -31.1%
Trucks: -37.4%

Lexus
Cars: -40.0%
Trucks: -26.9%

Where did you guys get your stats?

According to Global:
(in Canada)
Honda: -33%
Toyota: +1.9%
Chrysler: -15%

Okay that's too many damn numbers for me, lol.

Acura got rid of their volume seller in the Integra/RSX in an attempt to move "upmarket", the RL is a flop (they never intended to sell a lot, but they sold even less), and the new TSX and TL have been roundly panned in reviews and look...weird. The MDX may be their best vehicle right now, and nobody buys SUVs any more.

Acura appears to be a rudderless ship right now.
Ha yeah whoever is in charge of Acura is probably going to lose their job sometime soon. IMO the RL and the RDX are the only good cars they have left. The RL doesn't sell many though as you state, so that doesn't get them anywhere. The "new" TSX is nothing new and the TL, despite it's impressive SH-AWD option, is probably the ugliest car released for 09. Did they drop the CSX already or is that still in MY09? They may as well pack it up--slap a Honda badge on the RL, and call it Legend again; ditch the rest.

The Integra will always be the greatest car Acura has ever built.
Made in Japan and bulletproof.
Oh yeah bulletproof but you'll probably get bullet-holes eventually anyway, since these rustbuckets used body steel that was crap. :lol: If the Integra is "the greatest car Acura has ever built" that's sad for Acura.

[Genia11]

If Toyota’s sales are sagging, it is not showing in their attitude at one of the GTA large’s dealerships.

We went in to get our Camry serviced and decided to take a look at the Corolla as a second car. The sales guy told us that he could probably try putting an offer to his manager for $21.5K OTR. We thought that was not a bad deal as that was $1.4K off MSRP. We agreed. The salesman came back and told us that his manager wanted MSRP and he will generously throw in rust proofing. What the?!?! We told the sales guy that we were not interested in the rust proofing, so he went back to his manager and came back with MSRP minus $10. We felt so insulted and needless to say, we did not purchase the car.

Anyway, maybe things will change in a couple of months.

[dash riprock]

If Toyota’s sales are sagging, it is not showing in their attitude at one of the GTA large’s dealerships.

We went in to get our Camry serviced and decided to take a look at the Corolla as a second car. The sales guy told us that he could probably try putting an offer to his manager for $21.5K OTR. We thought that was not a bad deal as that was $1.4K off MSRP. We agreed. The salesman came back and told us that his manager wanted MSRP and he will generously throw in rust proofing. What the?!?! We told the sales guy that we were not interested in the rust proofing, so he went back to his manager and came back with MSRP minus $10. We felt so insulted and needless to say, we did not purchase the car.

Anyway, maybe things will change in a couple of months.

really? A $10 drop. That is classic

[ES_Revenge]

We went in to get our Camry serviced and decided to take a look at the Corolla as a second car. The sales guy told us that he could probably try putting an offer to his manager for $21.5K OTR. We thought that was not a bad deal as that was $1.4K off MSRP. We agreed. The salesman came back and told us that his manager wanted MSRP and he will generously throw in rust proofing. What the?!?! We told the sales guy that we were not interested in the rust proofing, so he went back to his manager and came back with MSRP minus $10. We felt so insulted and needless to say, we did not purchase the car.
I'd have done that one better--never return to said dealer for service either and let them know you're not returning as well.

If $10 off MSRP on a car isn't totally disrespecting you and spitting in your face, I don't know what is. Seriously if you keep going there, you're just telling them it's alright for them to do that to customers.

Meanwhile I hear Toyota is shipping 09s to dealers like mad and most of them don't have any place to put them because they aren't selling ones on the lots already :rolleyes:

"Generously throw in rustproofing", what a scam. I'd ask the "manager" to take you to where they rust proof the cars to show you how they do it and grab the gun and spray that goop crap all over him to let you know what you think of his "deal" LOL :lol: (I don't recommend anyone actually do this, I was kidding).

I bet the salesperson didn't even go into get "manager's approval" and just went in chatted it up about the game last night and came back out. Oldest trick in the book--I can't believe these retards still use that.

[blizzah]

How can he even say that?

So um, I got some some savings off MSRP.

How Much?

10$.

[Engi-Nir]

Toyota sales are A-holes at times. Well, it depends on who the salesperson, some think they are god, and why am I insulting them by asking for discount.

[Engi-Nir]

Toyota and Lexus North America stats:
http://pressroom.toyota.com/Releases/View?id=TYT2008120281030

Toyota
Cars: -31.1%
Trucks: -37.4%

Lexus
Cars: -40.0%
Trucks: -26.9%

Where did you guys get your stats?

According to Global:
(in Canada)
Honda: -33%
Toyota: +1.9%
Chrysler: -15%

Got the American sales figures from autospies.com

Anyways, average the toyota and you got the same number. As for lexus, your toyota website and autospies is out by 1% (no big deal :D)

[Genia11]

We were in the area running some errands and figured since our US Camry needed service, I took it in and also wanted to test drive the Corolla... in any event, we will not likely be returning to that dealership for service nor to purchase any vehicle.

The funny thing was that the sales guy kept on asking us to improve on our offer... we were like "why should we improve when your manager is not coming down on price?"

Anyway, we are now considering Mazda 3 and Nissan Versa... unless Toyota can offer better financing rates and attitude.

I'd have done that one better--never return to said dealer for service either and let them know you're not returning as well.

If $10 off MSRP on a car isn't totally disrespecting you and spitting in your face, I don't know what is. Seriously if you keep going there, you're just telling them it's alright for them to do that to customers.

Meanwhile I hear Toyota is shipping 09s to dealers like mad and most of them don't have any place to put them because they aren't selling ones on the lots already :rolleyes:

"Generously throw in rustproofing", what a scam. I'd ask the "manager" to take you to where they rust proof the cars to show you how they do it and grab the gun and spray that goop crap all over him to let you know what you think of his "deal" LOL :lol: (I don't recommend anyone actually do this, I was kidding).

I bet the salesperson didn't even go into get "manager's approval" and just went in chatted it up about the game last night and came back out. Oldest trick in the book--I can't believe these retards still use that.

[ferkel]

The arrogance of Honda is catching up to them. Good product that they think consumers should be thanking Honda for buying.

Yep.. Honda has tons of 08's still on the lot still hahahahaha.

[Redsun_ty]

Acura got rid of their volume seller in the Integra/RSX in an attempt to move "upmarket", the RL is a flop (they never intended to sell a lot, but they sold even less), and the new TSX and TL have been roundly panned in reviews and look...weird. The MDX may be their best vehicle right now, and nobody buys SUVs any more.

Acura appears to be a rudderless ship right now.

I think nobody likes the new design on the TSX and TL. Even me I am planning on buying an used 07 or 08 TSX or TL it will be good if they drop some of those prices as well.

Are the 2008 new Acura TSX still available? Anyone know?

[Redsun_ty]

If Toyota’s sales are sagging, it is not showing in their attitude at one of the GTA large’s dealerships.

We went in to get our Camry serviced and decided to take a look at the Corolla as a second car. The sales guy told us that he could probably try putting an offer to his manager for $21.5K OTR. We thought that was not a bad deal as that was $1.4K off MSRP. We agreed. The salesman came back and told us that his manager wanted MSRP and he will generously throw in rust proofing. What the?!?! We told the sales guy that we were not interested in the rust proofing, so he went back to his manager and came back with MSRP minus $10. We felt so insulted and needless to say, we did not purchase the car.

Anyway, maybe things will change in a couple of months.

wow....which dealer is that? What a joke man!

[aquariaguy]

If Toyota’s sales are sagging, it is not showing in their attitude at one of the GTA large’s dealerships.

We went in to get our Camry serviced and decided to take a look at the Corolla as a second car. The sales guy told us that he could probably try putting an offer to his manager for $21.5K OTR. We thought that was not a bad deal as that was $1.4K off MSRP. We agreed. The salesman came back and told us that his manager wanted MSRP and he will generously throw in rust proofing. What the?!?! We told the sales guy that we were not interested in the rust proofing, so he went back to his manager and came back with MSRP minus $10. We felt so insulted and needless to say, we did not purchase the car.

Anyway, maybe things will change in a couple of months.

Wow that is total disrespect and rude. Which Toyota dealer and whats the salesman name? DVP North Toyota?

[dealmeone]

Wow that is total disrespect and rude. Which Toyota dealer and whats the salesman name? DVP North Toyota?

You think Toyota is obnoxious and expensive now? Wait until the Detroit 3 go under. You will se alot more Kias and Hyundais on our roads...YIKES!!!

Bankrupcy is not an option!

[mikeycanuk]

The big are not going under. Maybe merging at some point in the next few years but Obama has to pay the unions back for getting him Ohio and Michigan.

Also to note you don't think GM is arrogant??? Pine View here in Woodbridge are the WORST. Try to go to the (dis)service department.:mad: We also had an engine go at 76,500km on a GMC2500 pickup. Sorry it's out of warranty, tough ****. Bye bye GM. We have only bought one GM truck since (dodge/ford trucks..lol Toyo was either bare bones or loaded to the gills) and we've got Toyota + Nissan products.

[Genia11]

You are good!!! It was Don Vally North Toyota. The salesman's name is Anthony something... didn't bother keeping the business card.

Wow that is total disrespect and rude. Which Toyota dealer and whats the salesman name? DVP North Toyota?

[Redsun_ty]

You are good!!! It was Don Vally North Toyota. The salesman's name is Anthony something... didn't bother keeping the business card.

why am I not surprise is always Don Valley North Toyota but still alot of ppl goes to that dealership to buy.