Too good to be true? used 07 Lexus ES350 $25,900

[motomondo]

Could this be The Deal Of The Month?


Last week I told my co-worker that I would love to sell my '05 Camry V6 and get into a Lexus ES350. Today, he sent me this link, it is the CHEAPEST used ES350 in the Trader, curiosly the seller is a Toyota dealership...

http://trader.ca/powerpage/details.aspx?vlotid=30011&adid=7403657

Other dealers are selling the same car for around $10K more... act fast!!

[urameatball]

well, it's got a bit more mileage than any other 07.
I suppose it's wise to price it aggressively or else everyone will opt for the lower mileage ones... but that's just my best guess.

[Debonair]

seems like a good deal to me... a bit high on the kms but for that price, who cares?

[Mayoo]

Carproof it ...

[booblehead]

Looks like it's a daily rental/loaner ... do your homework to check any damages ... if it is indeed rental, people tend to abuse the car and car rental company usually fix any damages thru dealership, thus leaving no records of insurance claims and type of damages.

If it's too good to be true ... you know the rest of the saying !

[golden]

I'd stay away from loaners as people drove them to the ground. Just like buying an off rental car.

[Tonyshibo]

Also check if the car is an American car. Might be a factor in the reduced price even with the high mileage for a 2007.

[Snicla]

I might be interested in your Camry :D

[JAGpilot]

Richmond Hill Toyota gets a lot of Lexus cars for some reason. I saw 2 RX330s and an ES330 there a few weeks ago.

[downloader]

the price on the link is $29,888.00

[canadiankorean]

the price on the link is $29,888.00

I'm pretty sure they changed it..
I saw the link in the morning and I'm sure it was the price the OP posted.

[evolution921]

It's probably a rental as the above poster mentioned.

I smell "regular" in the gas tank...

[motomondo]

the price on the link is $29,888.00


They changed the price !!! When I posted it was $4k less (it was listed at $25,888 )

As I said, act fast... >:(

[Debonair]

yes it was 25k yesterday morning... probably a typo.

[phil17]

they probably fixed it by now but the older es350's (2006/2007) had a lot of transmission issues. My neighbor had one and it went through 2 replacement transmissions before he sold it. just something to watch out for.

[ES_Revenge]

I would love to sell my '05 Camry V6 and get into a Lexus ES350.
So in other words you want to sell your Camry and buy a newer Camry? :lol:

They changed the price !!! When I posted it was $4k less (it was listed at $25,888 )

As I said, act fast... >:(
I doubt it would have mattered if you "acted fast"--probably a typo or an error which they certainly aren't responsible for.

[Debonair]

So in other words you want to sell your Camry and buy a newer Camry? :lol:


I doubt it would have mattered if you "acted fast"--probably a typo or an error which they certainly aren't responsible for.

So true! :lol:

[motomondo]

So in other words you want to sell your Camry and buy a newer Camry? :lol:


I doubt it would have mattered if you "acted fast"--probably a typo or an error which they certainly aren't responsible for.


:confused:

What's wrong with a newer car?
Of course I want a newer car, who doesn't?

Just for your reference, I would like to keep changing cars every couple of years....

[ES_Revenge]

:confused:

What's wrong with a newer car?
Of course I want a newer car, who doesn't?

Just for your reference, I would like to keep changing cars every couple of years....
Nothing wrong with that. It was a joke, but looks like you missed it ;) (Was just joking that the ES is the same as a Camry, that's all!)

[zivan56]

I've test driven the ES and had a new Camry loaner car for a week...and it's a completely different car. The Camry was sparse and very utilitarian, the ES was a real luxury sedan...and drove differently.

Plus you get the following compared to a Camry:
Better quality (built in Japan)
Longer warranty, and cheap to extend
More reliable
More horsepower
Better service at Lexus (all have tv, reclining chairs, etc)
North American warranty/full roadside assistance

For example, the ES/Camry has the dashboard creaking issue when it is cold. You go into Lexus and they remove the dashboard and fix the problem (6 hour job). You go to Toyota and ask them to fix it, they will charge you thousands or tell you to f-off.

[Maxspeed]

For example, the ES/Camry has the dashboard creaking issue when it is cold. You go into Lexus and they remove the dashboard and fix the problem (6 hour job). You go to Toyota and ask them to fix it, they will charge you thousands or tell you to f-off.


The camry dashboard issue was fixed free of charge under warranty... they kept the car overnight and tested in the morning.... took them 5 hours to fix..
no problems.... I went to toyota on front and mississauga toyota and they refused to fix the problem.... brimmell toyota did it...

[motomondo]

Nothing wrong with that. It was a joke, but looks like you missed it ;) (Was just joking that the ES is the same as a Camry, that's all!)

Oh, sorry, I didn't think it was a joke...

By your post, I understood that you either cannot tell the difference between a Toyota and a Lexus, or cannot tell the difference between an older car and a newer car.

[motomondo]

The camry dashboard issue was fixed free of charge under warranty... they kept the car overnight and tested in the morning.... took them 5 hours to fix..
no problems.... I went to toyota on front and mississauga toyota and they refused to fix the problem.... brimmell toyota did it...

Unfortunately, some dealerships do not provide any training to their employees, and do not encourage them to stay on top of things, so the front line at the Service Dept. is not aware of even the most common issues with the cars.

Many times the owner needs to find the Toyota technical service bulletin on the internet, print it, and take it to the dealer, and demand that they do the work as detailed.

[ES_Revenge]

Plus you get the following compared to a Camry:
Better quality (built in Japan)
Debateable, if you're just going on the built-in-Japan to "prove" that. If the Lexus uses better parts and higher QC/tighter tolerances, then sure; but just saying it's built in Japan doesn't mean much.

Longer warranty, and cheap to extend
Perhaps but it will be more expensive to service if you go to a dealer, compared to a Toyota.

More horsepower
LOL more horsepower. What is it 268 v. 272? That's 4hp. That doesn't even account for production variances between one engine and another--i.e. you could quite easily have a Camry V6 that dynoed better than an ES350. Also given the ES is a few hundred pounds heavier than the Camry, the typical Camry should outperform a typical ES--C&Ds 0-60 numbers show 6.2s for the Lexus, 5.8s for the Camry.

Better service at Lexus (all have tv, reclining chairs, etc)
But again, service at Lexus costs a lot more, which is why many RFDers have mentioned before that they take their cars to Toyota dealerships instead.

North American warranty/full roadside assistance
:confused: This one I don't get... The Camry has no warranty or roadside assistance?

For example, the ES/Camry has the dashboard creaking issue when it is cold. You go into Lexus and...
Wait a Toyota has an issue? That's a new one! :lol:

[zivan56]

Debateable, if you're just going on the built-in-Japan to "prove" that. If the Lexus uses better parts and higher QC/tighter tolerances, then sure; but just saying it's built in Japan doesn't mean much.


They do use better parts, and it is of higher quality. Why is Lexus first in quality ratings and Toyota is a couple behind?


Perhaps but it will be more expensive to service if you go to a dealer, compared to a Toyota.

Well, you can get your Lexus serviced at Toyota if you find it to be more expensive.

LOL more horsepower. What is it 268 v. 272? That's 4hp. That doesn't even account for production variances between one engine and another--i.e. you could quite easily have a Camry V6 that dynoed better than an ES350. Also given the ES is a few hundred pounds heavier than the Camry, the typical Camry should outperform a typical ES--C&Ds 0-60 numbers show 6.2s for the Lexus, 5.8s for the Camry.



Ok, I stand corrected ;) ...more horsepower and better fuel economy. I really hope you aren't buying a Camry/ES in order to race it...

http://consumerguideauto.howstuffworks.com/2008-toyota-camry-1.htm
"V6 models averaged 17.9 in mixed city/highway driving"
http://consumerguideauto.howstuffworks.com/2008-lexus-es-350-1.htm
"ES 350s averaged 19.6-19.8 mpg overall"



But again, service at Lexus costs a lot more, which is why many RFDers have mentioned before that they take their cars to Toyota dealerships instead.

Ok, what's the problem then?

:confused: This one I don't get... The Camry has no warranty or roadside assistance?

In the whole of North America? 3 years vs 4 years?


Wait a Toyota has an issue? That's a new one! :lol:

Yes, but Lexus fixes it without any issue...and Toyota tries to weasel out of it. But I guess you would rather go to Toyota to save a few bucks?
As I said, ES is not even close to the Camry. Plus it is in a completely different class.

Let's not forget that you are paying for the Lexus brand name as well. This means lower depreciation, better quality, and better service.
Last I heard, it wasn't exactly cool to own a Toyota (especially a Camry), but even a low end Lexus (ES/IS) is an eye turner.

Care to compare the Toyota LX to the Landcruiser? I'm sure you would go for the Landcruiser instead. :D

[Drew_W]

More horsepower

That's a function of putting premium gas into the same engine as in the Camry V6. Put in regular, and it performs the same as the Camry (268hp). Put premium in a Camry, and you get 272hp.

You decide which way you want to drive it. IMO it doesn't make a fantastic difference to put premium into it.

[seftonm]

They do use better parts, and it is of higher quality. Why is Lexus first in quality ratings and Toyota is a couple behind?

Toyota has models like the Tundra dragging their reliability down. Lexus makes the flagships that are supposed to be well built, which pulls their reliability up a bit. Better parts and quality control are only part of the story.


Ok, I stand corrected ;) ...more horsepower and better fuel economy. I really hope you aren't buying a Camry/ES in order to race it...

http://consumerguideauto.howstuffworks.com/2008-toyota-camry-1.htm
"V6 models averaged 17.9 in mixed city/highway driving"
http://consumerguideauto.howstuffworks.com/2008-lexus-es-350-1.htm
"ES 350s averaged 19.6-19.8 mpg overall"

Irrelevant unless the tests were done in the same conditions for each car. Looking at the EPA numbers, which has the same conditions for all vehicles, the Camry gets 1mpg better on the highway.

[zivan56]

Toyota has models like the Tundra dragging their reliability down. Lexus makes the flagships that are supposed to be well built, which pulls their reliability up a bit. Better parts and quality control are only part of the story.

So why doesn't Toyota build the Tundra with higher quality and better parts to match the quality? :lol:
I would say that makes or breaks the story.

As for the EPA...their testing methods never come close to real life anyways, so I wouldn't take them seriously.

[loybond]

Made in Japan usually does mean better. The cost of production in Japan is too high to make all Japanese brand cars there, but there's a reason the best ones are.

[seftonm]

So why doesn't Toyota build the Tundra with higher quality and better parts to match the quality? :lol:
I would say that makes or breaks the story.

As for the EPA...their testing methods never come close to real life anyways, so I wouldn't take them seriously.
Toyota has improved the parts in the Tundras in an attempt to improve reliability. The Tundra still isn't great though. Some of the Tundra's problems are design related.

So let me understand: The EPA test for each vehicle is exactly the same. But you don't take them seriously. So instead, you rely on tests where traffic, speeds, and weather are all uncontrolled to determine the differences in fuel economy between vehicles?