Mod Hippak: A Biggest Liar!

[renhui]

TO MODS, Feel free to move it to other sub-forums if neccessary!
In case some one wonders, I pmed Hippak (as well as Admins) the second I posted this thread to make sure we are not talking behind his back and he can respond!

I just want to share with you guys my recent experience when dealing with RFD user “Hippak” who happens to be a long time member since 2002 and a moderator here.
I am not making any judgement about him but I am really confused by the situation and want to listen to your opinions.

I am in the market of a netbook and I stumbled on Hippak’s for sale post of a Toshiba Libretto U100, after doing some research I figured out this is exactly what I am looking for.
Then I made an offer to him on last Thursday afternoon, well, certainly not a great offer, but I think it’s still fair considering the price of the netbooks.
He immediately replied to me that my offer is actually the lowest he would go and he even offered to send me some real pics of the unit.
After checking out the pics I told him that I will take it. He replied to me that he would need a day to restore the OS to factory settings and he is free most of the weekend for meet up, late Friday or early Saturday something.
I told him to take his time and asked him to let me know where and when to meet up after he is done with the OS restore.

I didn’t hear a thing from him on Friday and I thought he might be too busy to do the restore on Thursday. I sent him a pm with my phone number so he can get hold of me anytime.
No reply until Saturday noon, I figured out maybe he can’t check pm and I sent him an email assuming he could check email on his phone. Again I included my phone no.
Strange thing though that later in the afternoon he logged onto on RFD and posted two new for sale ads but didn’t reply to either my email or pm.
(he deleted both ads now, but I have screenshots, maybe he sold both items, but I usually just edit the first post and say "SOLD" )
Then Saturday night I sent him another pm asking what’s going on.
I eventually got a reply Sunday morning(he actually sent it midnight) saying that he sent me a pm Friday night but his inbox was full so he’s afraid the pm wasn’t actually sent. It was about that the laptop failed to start when he was trying to restore the OS and he suspected an ac adapter failure. He told me he will go to bestbuy/futureshop to test the unit with a universal ac adapter Sunday morning and even kindly offered to lower the price a bit for me if it’s indeed the adapter. I replied to him immediately and thanked him for his kindness.
After sending the pm, I realized that one of my friends actually has a universal adapter so I went out and borrowed it from him. I sent Hippak a pm telling him that I got a universal adapter so he doesn’t have to go to futureshop/best to test the unit out.
Later Sunday night I got a reply from him saying that it turned out to be the laptop itself after he went to futureshop and bestbuy and tested using the universal adapter.

Very funny though that when I was looking around on ebay, the following auction caught my eye:
http://cgi.ebay.ca/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&item=320317067450
The seller is also from Calgary, and the pics in the listing are the same as the ones Hippak sent to me earlier. (he has a custom hardcase included in the deal and this same hardcase is also included in the auction with a pic shown, I have the same pic in my email)
It also says in the listing that “has been formatted and back to factory software (windows xp with sp3). ”
And the listing apparently started Saturday noon.

Therefore I sent him an pm Sunday night with the ebay link and asked him if he knows anything about it.

He replied that he sent the pics to three users at RFD including “Emmses” (the same user name as the seller of the ebay link” Emmses actually made an higher offer but it was later than mine. Hippak simply told him to wait after he heard from me. What Hippak thought was that Emmses was trying to make some quick buck by assuming that he will get the unit. Hippak went on to explain that the “ description provided of the laptop is pretty much a copy and paste of a PM I sent to him.”
He even offered to provide more pics of the unit and a copy of his futureshop/bestbuy receipt.

I wanted to believe what Hippak told me, however there are still couple of doubts:

1) When I checked on Monday, Emmses hasn’t logged onto RFD since April (I have screenshot), but if you check now he/she actually logged on yesterday. so I don’t know how Hippak was able to communicate with him via pm during last Thursday and Sunday.

2) Emmses happened to move to Calgary roughly the same time as Hippak (July/Aug. 2007)

3) From Emmses ebay records, he/she bought some golf equipments and Hippak happens to be into Golf too from what I read on the forum.

Again, I am not making any judgement/conclusion here, I am just so so confused by the situation. What Hippak said was very convincing, however so many coincidences made me think it’s more complicated than that.

Thanks for taking your time to read it.

Any input will be appreciated.

[George W. Bush]

Sad that some people take advantage of others. A bad apple can spoil the rest... so keep your eyes peeled! :)

[7jaii]

I'm not sure I understand you. Did Hippak sell you the laptop, Did you pay him?

Otherwise, he can sell to anyone for any price. Granted, he's a MOD and that a level of reassurance regular sellers can't offer...but at least allow him to explain privately vs. blowing it up on a Scammers & Warnings thread.

Hippak is a veteran RFDer and shared a lot of deals with GTA guys. He has history with Derek & RFD's Queen's crew so he doesn't have reason to cheat over a laptop. Why would he scam just because he moved to Calgary?

--> now if you're complaining about misrepresentation then we can bring up your own mess. You sold Thinkpads & laptops across different forums with different descriptions & prices. In one RFD instance you said it was near-new, but on another forum you clearly purchased it much earlier than you said. See how that works? Sellers tailor BST postings to lure buyers - even you're guilty. Dude, I do that when I post on Craigslist!

--> are you calling Hippak a liar just because you missed out on a good price? Reading your explanation I don't understand how Hippak cheated your money or sold you a dead laptop...you seem a bit vindictive.

[renhui]

Thanks for the reply.

Didn't know that you have been following my for sale threads, not only here but also otherwhere else, I am so thrilled.

Well I agree with you that Hippak can sell it to anyone he likes at whatever price he wants. No doubts about that.
Take myself for example, I can sell something to some one for maybe 100 bucks, but to you, even 10x the price I won't sell it to you. This is normal and nothing wrong.
However if I happen to agree to some one's offer at 100 bucks, but another guy steps in and offers me 120 bucks. The right thing for me to do is to sell it to the previous guy at 100 bucks since I acknowledged his offer already.
In case I were a bit greedy and wanted to make an extra 20 bucks, I could simply tell the first guy that I am going for a higher offer, well not so ethical but still nothing wrong or illegal, because this is my stuff and I can choose who to sell and what price to sell.

But, the bottom line is I should tell the first guy straightforward instead of lying to him again and again.

I certainly agree with you that Hippak has great feedback record, however does it mean he will have the same record for his whole life? Not really, maybe he will get even better record or sometimes a bit worse one. If you only judge someone by his record, then all the first time criminals shouldn’t be charged because they clearly had a great record until they were caught.
(I am in no way implying that Hippak is guilty or something).

Learn to read my first post CAREFULLY and use your own logic to draw your own conclusion instead of just assuming things based on someone's track record. It’s just plain stupid.

In response to your comment about my selling stuff here, I was only trying to sell one thinkpad here on RFD FYI and please show me the proof how I declare something falsely.
In fact, I haven’t sold anything here on RFD for a long time and I sold most of my things locally, face to face, well, actually I insist the buyer to come to my place for the peace of mind.

FYI, “like new” has nothing to do how old the stuff is. Even if something is 10 years old but has been taken great care of, it can still be described “like new”. However even for something just taken out of the package, if you abuse it, it can soon be called “old”.


BTW, I can provide every piece of proof I have to prove that what I said is nothing but truth.

Thanks for sharing your thoughts.

I think you are right that he of course can sell it to anyone. b

If he changed his mind, he could simply tell me, I fully understand.

What I don't understand is why so many coincidences!

That's why I posted here to see what other people says about it.
I didn't draw any conclusion or make any judgement.

btw, I may have posted different prices locally vs. here on RFD simply because it's too competitive here :)
And mind you know that I haven't sold anything on RFD for a long time, so only local trading, this way the buyer can come and check it out before they buy.
Satisfaction Guranteed!

Again thanks for your time reading and replying.

I'm not sure I understand you. Did Hippak sell you the laptop, Did you pay him?

Otherwise, he can sell to anyone for any price. Granted, he's a MOD and that a level of reassurance regular sellers can't offer...but at least allow him to explain privately vs. blowing it up on a Scammers & Warnings thread.

Hippak is a veteran RFDer and shared a lot of deals with GTA guys. He has history with Derek & RFD's Queen's crew so he doesn't have reason to cheat over a laptop. Why would he scam just because he moved to Calgary?

--> now if you're complaining about misrepresentation then we can bring up your own mess. You sold Thinkpads & laptops across different forums with different descriptions & prices. In one RFD instance you said it was near-new, but on another forum you clearly purchased it much earlier than you said. See how that works? Sellers tailor BST postings to lure buyers - even you're guilty. Dude, I do that when I post on Craigslist!

--> are you calling Hippak a liar just because you missed out on a good price? Reading your explanation I don't understand how Hippak cheated your money or sold you a dead laptop...you seem a bit vindictive.

[phomp]

Lets the screenshots then:D

Although, I do not think this is a real big deal. Hippak, even if he did "lie" or is in the wrong here, what he did was unethical at best and does not really belong in the scammers and warnings.

[renhui]

Lets the screenshots then:D

Although, I do not think this is a real big deal. Hippak, even if he did "lie" or is in the wrong here, what he did was unethical at best and does not really belong in the scammers and warnings.



I can post all the screen shots if neccessary. however these screen shots are not the point right now. (I didn't post them in the first place 'cause it's just too much information, my original post is already quite lengthy )

You think I would mess around with a long time Mod here who happens to be good friend with Admins without any solid proof? Come on, I still want to stay active here on the forum :)

What really irritates me is not that Hippak changed his mind but his reluntance to admit it. I sent his pm on Sunday night quoting the ebay link and all the other information, and in his reply he was still trying to tell another lie to cover the previous one assuming others are just downright stupid. :mad:

I seriously doubt this is his first time to lie in a deal, 'cause he is so good at it.

[phomp]

I didn't think you were making it up or trying to screw around, you seem like an honest and reasonable dude.

That being said, prehaps we are missing something in the story? IDK. Hopefully Hippak posts a response with his side. It is always best to at least hear both sides of a story before passing judgement.

Again, even if everything you say is correct I think what Hippak has done is unethical at worst. He did not break any rules or do anything that would constitute as scamming or try to scam you. IDK if this thread even belongs here based on the sticky at the top of this section...http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/showthread.php?t=396942


I seriously doubt this is his first time to lie in a deal, 'cause he is so good at it. I would be careful with this one, but that is just me.

I hope we can see a response from Hippak although to me this does not seem like a big issue as no one is at a loss because of this... well other than lost time.


Cheers!

[rommelrommel]

Selling an item to someone else after you make a deal to sell it makes you a scammer in my books. Not saying who is what here, as I have no idea, but I'd be suspicious just as the OP is.

[renhui]

As I mentioned in the first post, I pmed Hippak (as well as Admins) as soon as I started this thread to make sure we are not talking behind his back and he can post any response.
However I guess the best thing for him to do is to keep silent at this point since everything I mentioned is true.

IDK. Hopefully Hippak posts a response with his side. It is always best to at least hear both sides of a story before passing judgement.




I posted here mainly as a warning, well it's Scammers and Warnings subforum anyway, so people knows what to expect when dealing with guy.
I think I've done the right thing, you know, to keep RFD BST a pleasant place to do any trade.

He did not break any rules or do anything that would constitute as scamming or try to scam you. IDK if this thread even belongs here based on the sticky at the top of this section...

[Hippak]

Hi there,

Without going into too much detail i'm going to add my two cents in here. This will be my first and only post (I promise)

Firstly to clear up some misconceptions, I'm not good friends with Derek or Ryan. Infact I've never met either of them in person.

Secondly, I had every intension of selling the unit to this user until he sent me his email address. The day after I received his email address the unit was listed on ebay. I've dealt with "Ma******gary" before and it involved weeks of excuses, lies and wasting time. Which is precisely what he got right back. Funny how its always hypocrites that cry foul the loudest.

I'm not going to go into further detail, as with any of these types of things on the internet, we're both just going to call each other liars (which is why this forum is specifically for users who have been scammed, i.e. money out of pocket).

I have to say that I do find renhui's campaign rather comical. The whole colourful signature etc. I guess your post didn’t have as much of a reaction as you were expecting? Feel free to accuse and suspect me of bad trades all you want.

I do however feel that I did wrong Derek/Ryan/etc as I dont think its fair from there end, and I've told Ryan that any action required is fine (even banning me). I've had some great experiences here and met and traded with tons of good people. From my end I don’t have any regrets.

[renhui]

I've dealt with "Ma******gary" before and it involved weeks of excuses, lies and wasting time. Which is precisely what he got right back. Funny how its always hypocrites that cry foul the loudest.


Well, first thanks for the response.

However your response is quite hollow without any solid proof.

btw, I don't think I've dealt with you before, so feel free to list my excuses, lies and wasting time if there is any.
FYI, I gave your my email address right after your first pm response because you mentioned you can send me some pics, and in the following two pm responses you agreed to the deal, so this "you dealt with me" before thing is just a another lie you want to cover yourself.

Why not simply tell me that you wouldn't deal with me instead of telling bunch of lies after lies and wasting my time?

In a word, you just admitted that you are a liar!

[Mark099]

Hi there,

Without going into too much detail i'm going to add my two cents in here. This will be my first and only post (I promise)

Firstly to clear up some misconceptions, I'm not good friends with Derek or Ryan. Infact I've never met either of them in person.

Secondly, I had every intension of selling the unit to this user until he sent me his email address. The day after I received his email address the unit was listed on ebay. I've dealt with "Ma******gary" before and it involved weeks of excuses, lies and wasting time. Which is precisely what he got right back. Funny how its always hypocrites that cry foul the loudest.

I'm not going to go into further detail, as with any of these types of things on the internet, we're both just going to call each other liars (which is why this forum is specifically for users who have been scammed, i.e. money out of pocket).

I have to say that I do find renhui's campaign rather comical. The whole colourful signature etc. I guess your post didn’t have as much of a reaction as you were expecting? Feel free to accuse and suspect me of bad trades all you want.

I do however feel that I did wrong Derek/Ryan/etc as I dont think its fair from there end, and I've told Ryan that any action required is fine (even banning me). I've had some great experiences here and met and traded with tons of good people. From my end I don’t have any regrets.

I think stripping you of your rights as a moderator should be the least that Derek or Ryan does. Although, in a normal day, people do what you did all the time. The problem I have is that your a mod. You need to bend over backwards to ensure you're better than anyone else because that's what is expected of you.

I have been dealing online for about 7 years now. The only time I have been trolled is by a moderator over at [H]ard. I trusted him far more than I should have because he was a mod. It took almost a year, but I finally got my stuff back with the help of some locals. He was banned from [H]ard within days of me contacting the admin and other mods.

Ryan and Derek have a lot of time, energy, and money invested in this site. They need to be able to depend on people to uphold the integrity of RFD. Mods have to be the most trusted people around. They cannot play the same games they're supposed to stop others from playing.

[phomp]

As I mentioned in the first post, I pmed Hippak (as well as Admins) as soon as I started this thread to make sure we are not talking behind his back and he can post any response.
Yes, I read the whole post when I posted my comment. All I said was that I hope he does respond before judgement is passed. Which I suspect you would agree.

That being said, I do not really think Hippak mustered up a very good response.

[HBP]

I think many people are forgetting what this subforum is about. Have you been scammed? No.

This forum is not for petty complaints like "UserX showed up an hour late for our trade" or "UserY backed out at the last minute".

You should only create a new thread here if a trader has or has tried to rip you off.

/thread

[dawn_g_dkny]

You are fighting:

http://tilt-on.com/images/windmill.jpg

[Mark099]

I think many people are forgetting what this subforum is about. Have you been scammed? No.


You are correct. We see idiots play the same games all the time here. The part that bothers me most is now it's one of the mods that's playing the games. Hippak's actions reflects poorly on the rest of the people behind the scenes at RFD.