it's not the money that i dont want to give....

[chinaboy1021]

had this discussion with my friend who i eat out often with. want to hear what others think...

i have been quite disappointed at some places i've eaten (i dont fine dine, i'm talking about <$30 meals) with food and service. not going go into detail about that.

that said, when the check comes, it's not the money i dont want to pay since im always prepared to pay for what i buy. but when does one become obligated to purchase?? after a poor experience, the venue got me by the balls. I'm suppose to pay for this meal?? As far as I am concerned, during my sitting, the venue should be offering me something attractive so I will actually give them cash on their plastic tray.

want to hear what others think. also want to know how much do i have to pay to get my ass kissed instead of being blackmailed.

[xinasguy]

You are obligated to pay after you eat the food. I didn't know we had a choice to not pay?? I mean when I walk into a restaurant, sit down, look through the menu, order, eat, I pay after regardless of whether the food is good or not. That's where tipping comes into play. If it's good, I'll tip good. If it's bad, I'll tip bad. :cheesygri Easy as pie!

[molala]

you can refuse to pay...just be prepared to spend few more hours in the restaurant waiting for the cop to come in a file a report with you...if there any major incidents in the area..be prepared to stay there till the morning

you choose to walk in there..you used their service...then you have to pay. sorry to tell you this, but this is how the real world runs

if you don't like the food and service, you wouldn't go back anyways, why would they obligated to offer you something just to make you pay? if every restaurants offer something 'attractive' just to make some unsatisfied customer to pay...i can't imagine what would this world becomes...

[torontoraptor]

You are obligated to pay after you eat the food.

+1

If you don't want to pay, don't eat the food.

[sillysimms]

When you receive the bill, in almost all cases you've finished your meal and at that point I would feel obligated to pay.

If there really is something legitimate that is significantly wrong with the meal, you should bring it to the attention of the restaurant when you receive your food. There are often times I've gone to a restaurant and haven't loved the meal, but that just means I won't go back or won't order the same thing again. It doesn't mean I would think that I don't have to pay. However, if I ordered meat rare and they brought it well done, I'd let them know when I got it so that they could fix the problem.

I don't eat at fast food restaurants often, but there you pay before you get your food. There are many things I've had at fast food restaurants that I didn't like too much, but I've never gone back and asked for a refund after the meal. It's the same idea at sit-down restaurants, only difference is you pay at the end.

If you don't like it, you don't have to go back but need to pay for the meal you did have there. If the service is bad, you can tip accordingly but the cost of the actual meal needs to be paid.

[UrbanPoet]

OP, are you serious?!!?
Of course you have to pay! of course you are obligated to pay!

[M-e-X-x]

unless something extreme happened (possible fire, getting sick instantly, etc.), then yeah u pay... and as someone else suggested, tips make the difference...

[billdozer]

wow OP you must go out a lot :razz:

[Shiznacka]

If you completely eat the meal...you pay...

BUT I have had 2 incidents at different East Sides (ironic; one in RHill and one downtown on front) where my food has been awful. The Toronto one screwed up a simple order of spaghetti and meatballs and half wasn't cooked while the rest was in a big clump. I had eaten about half of it and said I couldn't eat it anymore (nothing more appetizing than on a date crunching on raw noodles). I explained to the waiter and he brought the manager. The manager said based on me eating half than he would charge me half. Fair so I obliged.

The Richmond Hill incident was when they had just swapped their menu. My favourite item was taken off (Baked Ziti) for God knows why. Anyway I was told this cherry tomato and red wine pasta was the replacement. Instantly I had a funny taste but I thought it could be the wine. After about 4 bites it started to get worse and I started feeling sorta sick. My fiancee (time had past from the first bad incident to the 2nd) tried some and had to rush to the washroom about 5 minutes after. So with this one the waiter automatically deducted my plate from the bill.

Safe to say East Side's has ruined their Rep for me. I have yet to go back in about 1 year or so.

[rfdrfd]

If you completely eat the meal...you pay...

BUT I have had 2 incidents at different East Sides (ironic; one in RHill and one downtown on front) where my food has been awful. The Toronto one screwed up a simple order of spaghetti and meatballs and half wasn't cooked while the rest was in a big clump. I had eaten about half of it and said I couldn't eat it anymore (nothing more appetizing than on a date crunching on raw noodles). I explained to the waiter and he brought the manager. The manager said based on me eating half than he would charge me half. Fair so I obliged.

The Richmond Hill incident was when they had just swapped their menu. My favourite item was taken off (Baked Ziti) for God knows why. Anyway I was told this cherry tomato and red wine pasta was the replacement. Instantly I had a funny taste but I thought it could be the wine. After about 4 bites it started to get worse and I started feeling sorta sick. My fiancee (time had past from the first bad incident to the 2nd) tried some and had to rush to the washroom about 5 minutes after. So with this one the waiter automatically deducted my plate from the bill.

Safe to say East Side's has ruined their Rep for me. I have yet to go back in about 1 year or so.



Would have never happened at Chef Ramsey's kitchen !! :P

[rfdrfd]

OP - stick with fast food and food courts.

Then you get to pay before you taste the food.

[Shiznacka]

Would have never happened at Chef Ramsey's kitchen !! :P

Very true. I would have gotten to see plates whipped at the floor and a brand new top of the line meal produced after :D. AND if they took too long I could just leave without paying :D.

[M-e-X-x]

Safe to say East Side's has ruined their Rep for me. I have yet to go back in about 1 year or so.

i'm surprised they're still around in toronto... they make bastardized italian food...

although, the ESM i went to in calgary had ok food, but very awesome service (which is REALLY rare nowadays in calgary)

[molala]

OP - stick with eating at home


corrected :cheesygri

[LQQK]

read the menu at the doorway or at the table. if you don't like the menu or you get a bad feeling about the restaurant, leave the restaurant without ordering any food

if you decide to try the food- order only one dish. if you like the first dish, then order a second dish and so on.

if you don't like something about your dish, you can complain to the waiter

[Mulder and Scully]

This thread doesn't deliver. You should be paying us for wasting our time.

[deep]

There ARE a couple of restaurants that allow you to choose what you think the meal was worth, but for obvious reasons, they are few and far between.

OP, you should be able to tell within seconds of receiving your food whether or not you would be willing to pay for it, and if not, why. Explain it nicely to your server, and the odds are good they will take it back.

Can't do it after the meal though....that's idiocy.

[MasterXan]

Back in university, I used to work at Cultures at Fairview mall and there's some stupid policy about getting a full refund if you are not 100% satisfied with you meal. So there are some idiots who bought some spicy salad (there was even a sign that said "Spicy Thai Salad"), ate the entire meal and complained that it was too spicy and requested a refund.

I don't know of any other fast food places that offers this kind of dumbass policy. Also, I got a really bad impression of the people who go to Fairview because of this job. They basically make the shoppers at STC look classy.

[chinaboy1021]

hmm. i guess my title was not effective.

like i said, it's not about the money. my point is that, when I am the customer, the restaurant be holding my balls. when they serve me subpar food and service, they are slapping me around like im their b****, since i have to pay anyhow.

hope to end the thread with that. maybe i have too much pride, maybe you have too little. maybe RFD is soooooo closed minded and negative that ideas cannot be retrospected upon, but only bashed.

lets talk about AYCE and Swiss Chalet promos instead! forget about the experience of dining!

[thesk8man]

hmm. i guess my title was not effective.

like i said, it's not about the money. my point is that, when I am the customer, the restaurant be holding my balls. when they serve me subpar food and service, they are slapping me around like im their b****, since i have to pay anyhow.

hope to end the thread with that. maybe i have too much pride, maybe you have too little. maybe RFD is soooooo closed minded and negative that ideas cannot be retrospected upon, but only bashed.

lets talk about AYCE and Swiss Chalet promos instead! forget about the experience of dining!

ummmm have you considered NOT going to restaurants?

if its such a big prob why even go ?

Umm get into sudoku ... better way of killing time

[Mulder and Scully]

Also, I got a really bad impression of the people who go to Fairview because of this job. They basically make the shoppers at STC look classy.

I had the same impression of Fairview and went there every week during high school. This is probably why they've done major, major renovations over the last few years, courted better shops and are trying to copy Yorkdale.

[bluewaker]

hmm. i guess my title was not effective.

like i said, it's not about the money. my point is that, when I am the customer, the restaurant be holding my balls. when they serve me subpar food and service, they are slapping me around like im their b****, since i have to pay anyhow.

hope to end the thread with that. maybe i have too much pride, maybe you have too little. maybe RFD is soooooo closed minded and negative that ideas cannot be retrospected upon, but only bashed.

lets talk about AYCE and Swiss Chalet promos instead! forget about the experience of dining!

It isn't our fault you came off like a big-ego kind of person (and you continue). You are obligated to pay for the food that you order. If you don't like the service, complain and do not leave a tip. I don't think you're allowed to go to any store, use something consumable and expect to get away without paying a cent. This is how the world works - if you get ripped, that's too bad.

[tdott]

Did you just come off the boat from china?

Practice your English writing skills. I have no idea what your trying to say, and im not going to guess like everyone else here is trying to do.

[Talamasca]

Agreed OP, you're not communicating your thoughts clearly. If you don't like the service and/or food, don't come back to that restaurant. That's your power as a consumer. I'm not saying that eating at an expensive restaurant will automatically get you better food and service but that is more likely. Stop eating as Casey's or wherever and step it up a notch if you don't like it there.

[deep]

like i said, it's not about the money. my point is that, when I am the customer, the restaurant be holding my balls. when they serve me subpar food and service, they are slapping me around like im their b****, since i have to pay anyhow.
Yeah, too bad restaurants are so different from every other industry...like say the automotive industry, where you can drive the car for its lifespan and then just take it back. Or clothes, where you can wear them out and then get your money back.

By eating somewhere, you FORCED them to purchase, prepare, and serve food to you. That is half the contract. They then FORCE you to pay for it. That's the other half. That is the implied agreement. Every other human is able to comprehend it.

If you don't like the way it worked out, then choose not to enter into a similar contract in the future. If you THINK you might not like the way it might work out, don't enter into that contract in the first place.

[JordanN]

had this discussion with my friend who i eat out often with. want to hear what others think...

i have been quite disappointed at some places i've eaten (i dont fine dine, i'm talking about <$30 meals) with food and service. not going go into detail about that.

that said, when the check comes, it's not the money i dont want to pay since im always prepared to pay for what i buy. but when does one become obligated to purchase?? after a poor experience, the venue got me by the balls. I'm suppose to pay for this meal?? As far as I am concerned, during my sitting, the venue should be offering me something attractive so I will actually give them cash on their plastic tray.

want to hear what others think. also want to know how much do i have to pay to get my ass kissed instead of being blackmailed.

I was going to type out a lengthy response but this, pretty much, sums it up...
http://seiryuulostmymusic.files.wordpress.com/2008/02/facepalm.jpg

[Cerealbowl]

I think the op is new to the country, cut him some slack and when he is more accustomed to being here (2 to 3 years with such a view of self entitlement)he can look back on his post and have a good laugh. If not then we can track him down in a couple of years and beat him senseless, not that he is not already half way there.

[Cerealbowl]

Just curious. In China can you order a meal, eat it, then decide whether you want to pay or not?

[jerrysiz]

You should be paying us for wasting our time.

+1

I thought the original post was the most innane thing I'd read in some time...then I read the OP's post trying to defend the original postition and accusing the rest of us (who shockingly think it is not unreasonable to be expected to pay for services rendered) of being close-minded.

This thread is like driving past a bad car accident on the highway, it's making me sick but somehow I can't look away.

[boohoo]

I agree with all the replies about eating out and paying for the service, but there are certain situations where I refuse to give out my money. Examples: cockroaches/bugs (proteins?)or hairs in my food. A few times, the restaurants suggested that they would replace my plate, but seriously, what are the chance that they just removed the extra items and returned the same plate to you.:confused:

[CoffeeAddict]

hey guys it's one thing to beat down the OP, but it's another to tag the thread with racially offensive words and just to tag it in poor taste.

[Shiznacka]

hey guys it's one thing to beat down the OP, but it's another to tag the thread with racially offensive words and just to tag it in poor taste.

One flaw of the new system...should be like wiki, we should be able to edit/change them when they are inaccurate and it should show who did it to begin with.

[dighn]

Just curious. In China can you order a meal, eat it, then decide whether you want to pay or not?

No, and the OP is not representative of Chinese immigrants on this matter.

[Cerealbowl]

I didn't think so.

[goJays]

ya u would have to be very cheap to NOT want to pay for a meal after eating it. had it been so bad, the real question is why would u eat it? if its service u are complaining about, then don't pay tips.

[PCDawg]

I agree with all the replies about eating out and paying for the service, but there are certain situations where I refuse to give out my money. Examples: cockroaches/bugs (proteins?)or hairs in my food. A few times, the restaurants suggested that they would replace my plate, but seriously, what are the chance that they just removed the extra items and returned the same plate to you.:confused:

Seriously. WHere do you eat to you get all those extras. There is no need to pay if you find cockroaches in your plate. Take a pic of it with ur phone and tell them that you will be calling the food inspection agency.

AS for the OP, any time you want into a restaurant and order something, you must pay for it. UNless you have come to an agreement with the management that you will get a discounted or free meal depending on why you were dissatified.