To Mac or not to Mac?

[cuongp]

I'm looking to get a Macbook for christmas this year. I'll be mainly using it for school work, watching videos, and internet browsing. I don't think that I'll be using it for gaming.

I don't know much about Macs or PC so I was hoping the RFD community could help me on this one.

Are Macbooks overrated?

For the Mac users, why did you decide to get a Mac?

For the PC users, why did you decide to stay with PC?

If I end up getting a Mac, what are the other costs associated with it? Service Plans? etc...?

Which one should I get that would meet my needs?

If not a Mac, what PC would you recommend me?

Thx a bunch everybody!

[1337rice]

stayed with PC because more than half the world uses it, so software and hardware compatibility wouldn't be a problem.
I have used a Mac (an iMac 20"...the steel or aluminum ones...), it takes a while to get used to it...
its kinda hard to say...because for $1000, you can get the macbook...or you can get a decent pc laptop...its just about the different OS and the look of the macbook

[TruE SkiLLS]

I'm looking to get a Macbook for christmas this year. I'll be mainly using it for school work, watching videos, and internet browsing. I don't think that I'll be using it for gaming.
I don't know much about Macs or PC so I was hoping the RFD community could help me on this one.
1. Are Macbooks overrated?
2. For the Mac users, why did you decide to get a Mac?
3. For the PC users, why did you decide to stay with PC?
4. If I end up getting a Mac, what are the other costs associated with it? Service Plans? etc...?
5. Which one should I get that would meet my needs?
6. If not a Mac, what PC would you recommend me?
Thx a bunch everybody!

Before I start, VERY VERY bad title. this is gonna turn into a flame thread.

1. Depends how you look at it, I personally wouldn't say its overrated, I like the OS a lot.
2/3. got it because I like the OS... but i still use windows quite a bit in other locations (when I dont have my mac around)
4. There are no real cost after buying a mac, I mean, you can buy a service plan if you wish, tats optional. then you can always get extra accessories, but no, there isn't really any cost after buying one.
5. I'd say, go for the new macbook. It'll meet your need and its newer and "more powerful" than the older generation. It's decent if you dont ever need firewire, and it does have a better gfx card
6. Really depends on your budget and what you are looking for. Dell has pretty cheap ones (so does acer, but lets not go there). Asus has decent styling one (but then their customer service sucks if it breaks down). Lenovo are pretty durable (but some people thinks they look as ugly as hell) It really depends on WHAT YOU WANT in the end.

good luck!

[GroceryBagHead]

Apple laptops are worth their ticket price, in my opinion. I use Macbook as my work computer for the last 2 years every single day. Hauling it to and from work every day. I never owned more dependable machine. I already ordered the new model as I need all 4 gigs of ram (my maxes out at 2) and cpu speed bump is rather nice.

At home I have my PC with quad core 2 cpu and beefy video card. Not even thinking about switching that for a Mac (or installing Vista instead of XP). Also I have a Linux server in the basement. I guess it boils down what kind of computer user you are and what you do with that.

If you decide to get a Macbook I'd suggest not getting AppleCare for few simple reasons:
1. You are covered for the first year anyway. Things like motherboard and other things you cannot replace yourself will normally fail within that period of time or won't fail for the long time.
2. AppleCare will never cover accidental damages like "ooops i dropped it and broke the screen"
3. You can replace harddrive/memory/battery yourself and it won't cost much.

If you can't afford a Mac, get a cheapo Dell. At least warranty from Dell is pretty good. Alternatively Lenovo is a relatively solid choice as well, used to be better when it was still IBM though.

[Matrixvibe]

In my opinion, i would actually get a mac, but they are pricey and the reason i stick with PC is because most products out there are made for pc and it becomes more convenient when buy add-ons like printers or what nots. Also because i already have a bunch of pc's and i dont want have deal with compatibility issues. Basically i would get a Mac but they are pricey. but if you are people who edit photos and videos i would say Mac would be the choice. And i know people who own Mac's and they claim it boots up faster than their Vista pc. If you end up getting a Mac, you could always run boot camp or any other program that will allow you to run XP or windows programs.

[KorruptioN]

If anything, do not get a Macbook just to run XP on it.

[TruE SkiLLS]

If anything, do not get a Macbook just to run XP on it.

or vista =P

[cuongp]

Changed the name of the title as advised.

Lots of solid points so far. I'm really leaning towards a Mac atm.

Looking at possibly getting this one:
http://store.apple.com/ca/browse/home/shop_mac/family/macbook?mco=MTE2NTQ

the $1399 one.

I have a question about the AppleCare warranty, how much is it and how long does it cover?

When is the best time to buy a Mac? I remember they sometimes offer free iPods when you purchase one or something. Should I wait till boxing day?

[TruE SkiLLS]

Changed the name of the title as advised.

Lots of solid points so far. I'm really leaning towards a Mac atm.

Looking at possibly getting this one:
http://store.apple.com/ca/browse/home/shop_mac/family/macbook?mco=MTE2NTQ

the $1399 one.

I have a question about the AppleCare warranty, how much is it and how long does it cover?

When is the best time to buy a Mac? I remember they sometimes offer free iPods when you purchase one or something. Should I wait till boxing day?

just to help you a bit more:

education discount (if you're in post 2ndry) is available. so it will be cheaper. and yes, that one is good.

Apple warranty: 1 year. if you have a cc that doubles the warranty of it, u odnt really need applecare

Applecare: 2 years on top of that. so 3 years total from date of purchase of the mac. (you can get this and register it on the 364th day of your mac warranty, it adds 2 years).
Cost: 199$ (cheaper with educational discount iirc)
Covers: parts and labour. just not any "accidental stuff"

best time for a mac? during summer when student ipods giveaway was available! but if not, any other time is fine (you might sometimes even get free printer offer)

boxing day: no, apple does NOT do discounts.

[jb22]

If you are getting a new computer and you have nothing holding you back, say a certain app or piece of hardware then it really doesn't matter if you're getting a Windows or OSX based laptop.

A MacBook would be a great laptop but in that doesn't mean that a Vista based laptop wouldn't be just as good.

When it comes to hardware, there really is no difference these days since there's nothing Apple specific about them.

For general use, it really doesn't matter.

I will say that when I was looking for a laptop I decided not to go for a MacBook Pro but rather an Asus with the exact same specs (plus some additional features) not only because it was a bit cheaper but more so because the Asus came with 2 year international warranty as standard.

[Mgz]

I'm looking to get a Macbook for christmas this year. I'll be mainly using it for school work, watching videos, and internet browsing.

this is RedflagDEALS , so just get the cheapest machine that satisfies this requirement :cheesygri

[pitz]

I just picked up a Dell Latitude D630, 2gb RAM, Intel Wi-Fi, Intel T7500 CPU, 14.1" LCD, etc. for $800 with 3-year next business day warranty, Vista Business, 9-cell battery, etc.

To pay close to double that for a Macbook makes absolutely no sense.

Macbooks top out at 4gb RAM -- the Dell D630/D830 and the new E-series all accomodate 8gb.

And, the lack of a trackpoint/pointer stick on the Macbooks is a major dissappointment, compared to the Dell Latitudes.

[tragd]

I just picked up a Dell Latitude D630, 2gb RAM, Intel Wi-Fi, Intel T7500 CPU, 14.1" LCD, etc. for $800 with 3-year next business day warranty, Vista Business, 9-cell battery, etc.

To pay close to double that for a Macbook makes absolutely no sense.

Macbooks top out at 4gb RAM -- the Dell D630/D830 and the new E-series all accomodate 8gb.

And, the lack of a trackpoint/pointer stick on the Macbooks is a major dissappointment, compared to the Dell Latitudes.

$800? 9 cell? how?

[pitz]

$800? 9 cell? how?

eBay..

Try this one, for instance:

http://cgi.ebay.ca/New-Dell-Latitude-D630-80GB-2-0-Ghz-2GB-RAM-VISTA-DVIEW_W0QQitemZ280273827373QQcmdZViewItem?hash=ite m280273827373&_trkparms=39%3A1%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A16%7C240%3A1318&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14

You can look up the total configuration on the support.dell.com website based on the service tag, including any additional applicable warranties.

The unit I bought cost ~$40 more, but had the 9-cell. That one only has 6-cell it would appear.. But basically, still a solid business-class laptop for the money..

(and apparently you can hack MacOS to run on the D630's as well, albeit I believe there are some licensing issues).

[jb22]

Macbooks top out at 4gb RAM -- the Dell D630/D830 and the new E-series all accomodate 8gb.

Just be aware that Vista 32-bit only takes advantage of about 3.5gb or ram. To make use of more ram you need to go to Vista 64-bit. Something to keep in mind.

In any case, I don't see why the MacBook would ever need more then 4gb since it isn't designed to run pro apps that would ever require more ram.

[KorruptioN]

The Latitude D630s are really solid. I even like the way they look.

[germster]

I'm switching to a Mac soon, for a number of reasons.

- I'm quite impressed with Mac OS. It's a solid OS and I wanted to give it a try. And if I really hate it, I can always install XP or Vista on the machine thanks to boot camp.

- I don't play games anymore, or use any Windows-exclusive application for that matter. And then again like I said, you can install Windows on a Mac.

- I don't mind paying the extra $$$. I'm well-aware of the fact that a similar PC would be ~200$ cheaper than a new Macbook, but geez, it's 200$ more for a computer I'll use for the next 4 years. 50$ per year. No big deal.

- And finally, I want to develop apps for the iPhone. :cheesygri

[smartcdn]

Changed the name of the title as advised.

Lots of solid points so far. I'm really leaning towards a Mac atm.

Looking at possibly getting this one:
http://store.apple.com/ca/browse/home/shop_mac/family/macbook?mco=MTE2NTQ

the $1399 one.

I have a question about the AppleCare warranty, how much is it and how long does it cover?

When is the best time to buy a Mac? I remember they sometimes offer free iPods when you purchase one or something. Should I wait till boxing day?

You just missed the biggest giveaway in recent history:
-Apple offered a free iPod Touch (value $329)
-Apple offered a free printer (up to $100)
-Future Shop offered a back to school bundle that included iWorks, Mac Air adapter (I think) and a free printer
-Best Buy offered something similar and the free printer

hmmmm....

[smartcdn]

I'm switching to a Mac soon, for a number of reasons.

- I'm quite impressed with Mac OS. It's a solid OS and I wanted to give it a try. And if I really hate it, I can always install XP or Vista on the machine thanks to boot camp.

- I don't play games anymore, or use any Windows-exclusive application for that matter. And then again like I said, you can install Windows on a Mac.

- I don't mind paying the extra $$$. I'm well-aware of the fact that a similar PC would be ~200$ cheaper than a new Macbook, but geez, it's 200$ more for a computer I'll use for the next 4 years. 50$ per year. No big deal.

- And finally, I want to develop apps for the iPhone. :cheesygri

Me too...but I think a newer version called Snow Leopard is coming out soon. You might want to wait for that? I was waiting for the new iMacs to come out and they only refreshed the MacBooks...

[SAN66]

Changed the name of the title as advised.

Lots of solid points so far. I'm really leaning towards a Mac atm.

Looking at possibly getting this one:
http://store.apple.com/ca/browse/home/shop_mac/family/macbook?mco=MTE2NTQ

the $1399 one.

I have a question about the AppleCare warranty, how much is it and how long does it cover?

When is the best time to buy a Mac? I remember they sometimes offer free iPods when you purchase one or something. Should I wait till boxing day?

I find the best deals for Macs are from their refurbished store. Yes they're "refurbished", but I actually find refurbished Macs better as they're put through more rigorous testing than standard Macs and they come with the same 1 year warranty (+2 More with applecare) that standard Macs do.

The best deal right now I find is the refurbished 2.4ghz macbook pro for $1449. For $50 more than the mid macbook you get a bigger screen, more space, dedicated graphics, etc and it still has multitouch, backlit led, aluminum casing and everything you'll find on the "new" macbooks. Check it out http://store.apple.com/ca/product/FB133LL/A

[surgimus]

I have a c2d blackbook 2.2, with 2gig ram and 160 gig hd. I'm selling it for 1100, and I have a buyer interested. Is it worth it to upgrade to the new macbook at 2.0 c2d 2gig and 160gig hd. I mean, it is an extra 150, (285 after taxes) for the new design, LED backlight, graphics card.. is my money better spent on a different upgrade? The reason I am interested in selling, is my first year warranty is expiring in a month, and apple care costs 299 for three years coverage, if i spent this extra 150 now, i'd have a new similar laptop, with the apple warranty for another year...

I can't seem to find info on the 800 ddr 2 macbook at 2.2 vs the 1066 ddr3 macbook at 2.0...

[xOnic_]

I previously sold a white macbook. Personally, I was much more interested in using the OS. The machine was able to play blizzard games which is more than enough for me. I used it mainly for one of my computer science class which involved programming in python and listening to lecture recordings. I don't really suggest using a laptop for taking notes especially if you are in a science program. It just doesn't beat using paper+pen.

My complaints are the following: (1) some programs kept crashing (eg, microsoft office crashed in the middle of a lecture) - you can spot this when you see a rainbow swirl (2) laptop tend to overheat randomly even if you are just using firefox - fan goes on quite loudly (you won't notice this instore, but there wasn't nothing wrong with my fan) (3) the laptop wasn't as quiet as I hoped compare to my little brother's T61 (in a completely silent room - this is a problem if you are one of those students who want to type up notes while reading the textbook and can't concentrate in a noisy environment + nothing was wrong with my fan I went into check!) (4) glossy screen - stay away from windows in the morning! (5) the price - well, we all know macbooks are quite pricey, but it just doesn't end there. We have to consider buying sleeves, skins, etc to protect it, and worst of all it can still break after all this investment. Extended warranty is not enough if it doesn't cover accidents.

Learning how to use the OS is fairly simple as long as you know how to use a computer. My next laptop consideration is probably gonna be a x200/m1330 or any machine that can handle linux.

[germster]

Me too...but I think a newer version called Snow Leopard is coming out soon. You might want to wait for that? I was waiting for the new iMacs to come out and they only refreshed the MacBooks...

I don't know, my old PC (Pentium 4) is unbearably slow, I don't think I'll be able to wait a few more months.

How much will it cost me to upgrade to Snow Leopard next year?

[SAN66]

Me too...but I think a newer version called Snow Leopard is coming out soon. You might want to wait for that? I was waiting for the new iMacs to come out and they only refreshed the MacBooks...

As far as I understand Snow Leopard isn't due out until summer next year so I wouldn't wait. I could be wrong though.

[al3x89]

In my opinion, i would actually get a mac, but they are pricey and the reason i stick with PC is because most products out there are made for pc and it becomes more convenient when buy add-ons like printers or what nots. Also because i already have a bunch of pc's and i dont want have deal with compatibility issues. Basically i would get a Mac but they are pricey. but if you are people who edit photos and videos i would say Mac would be the choice. And i know people who own Mac's and they claim it boots up faster than their Vista pc. If you end up getting a Mac, you could always run boot camp or any other program that will allow you to run XP or windows programs.

Are you ever wrong... Macs have absolutely no problem whatsoever with printers, camera's, video camera's etc. Not sure who fed you that information, but it's just as easy to hook up a printer (or any other device) to a mac as it is on a PC.

From personal experience, for camera's it's even easier because iPhoto recognizes the camera and you can see all your pics instantly without any drivers.

I previously sold a white macbook. Personally, I was much more interested in using the OS. The machine was able to play blizzard games which is more than enough for me. I used it mainly for one of my computer science class which involved programming in python and listening to lecture recordings. I don't really suggest using a laptop for taking notes especially if you are in a science program. It just doesn't beat using paper+pen.

My complaints are the following: (1) some programs kept crashing (eg, microsoft office crashed in the middle of a lecture) - you can spot this when you see a rainbow swirl (2) laptop tend to overheat randomly even if you are just using firefox - fan goes on quite loudly (you won't notice this instore, but there wasn't nothing wrong with my fan) (3) the laptop wasn't as quiet as I hoped compare to my little brother's T61 (in a completely silent room - this is a problem if you are one of those students who want to type up notes while reading the textbook and can't concentrate in a noisy environment + nothing was wrong with my fan I went into check!) (4) glossy screen - stay away from windows in the morning! (5) the price - well, we all know macbooks are quite pricey, but it just doesn't end there. We have to consider buying sleeves, skins, etc to protect it, and worst of all it can still break after all this investment. Extended warranty is not enough if it doesn't cover accidents.

Learning how to use the OS is fairly simple as long as you know how to use a computer. My next laptop consideration is probably gonna be a x200/m1330 or any machine that can handle linux.

Just curious which MacBook did you have? And what makes you think that buying extended warranty should cover accidental coverage? Is it really the manufactures fault that you dropped your notebook, or that you spilt something? Dell doesn't even cover that, you have to pay an extra $100, that's only for 1 year, that covers accidental.

And BTW, there is no heating problems with the new ones. I had the black MacBook and the fans would go absolutely crazy on YouTube or when watching a HD video. On the new ones, the fans are really good and the computer stays cool. My fans haven't gone on once, and I've watched HD trailers from Apple.

[KelvinK]

i just switched to mac with the new macbooks.. mainly for osx and stability

once my asus v6v's battery life hit a maximum of 2 minutes (with wireless off) and the fan stopped working, too many dead pixels to count, and random shutdowns, i decided to get a new comp for my last yr in uni

so far its alright.. i'm still trying to figure out how to get things done with mac, so if anyone could help me out

- where do my downloads from safari go? whats better firefox or safari? i dont think i can do the select word -> look up in dictionary combo in firefox

without "home" or "end" how do i jump to the beginning and ends of lines? is there also an equivalent pgup and pgdown option??

can i burn xbox 360 games with this dl burner?

does the screen automatically dim when it detects lighting is low ? or are my eyes just messing with me

ok say i forget to turn my laptop to silent before i put it to sleep.. and i go into the lecture hall and turn it back on. will it still make a sound when i turn it on over the speakers if i plug in headphones? (i'm probably gonna try this right after typing)


thanks sorry for hijacking your thread lol

edit: does anyone know where to get cheap 2x 2gigs ddr3 ram? (refer to thread
http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/showthread.php?t=649678)

[TruE SkiLLS]

so far its alright.. i'm still trying to figure out how to get things done with mac, so if anyone could help me out

1. where do my downloads from safari go? whats better firefox or safari? i dont think i can do the select word -> look up in dictionary combo in firefox

2. without "home" or "end" how do i jump to the beginning and ends of lines? is there also an equivalent pgup and pgdown option??

3. can i burn xbox 360 games with this dl burner?

4. does the screen automatically dim when it detects lighting is low ? or are my eyes just messing with me

5. ok say i forget to turn my laptop to silent before i put it to sleep.. and i go into the lecture hall and turn it back on. will it still make a sound when i turn it on over the speakers if i plug in headphones? (i'm probably gonna try this right after typing)

1. they obviously go into the "dowload folder" =P you can change this to w/e in your preferences.
2. press apple + left/right gives you beginning or end buttons. press apple + up/down gives you page up or page down.
3. that im not sure... i dont have a 360
4. yes, its called backlighting feature.
5. its like turning on a pc, its a system bios sound, but im sure you'll get an answer when you try.

[al3x89]

i just switched to mac with the new macbooks.. mainly for osx and stability

once my asus v6v's battery life hit a maximum of 2 minutes (with wireless off) and the fan stopped working, too many dead pixels to count, and random shutdowns, i decided to get a new comp for my last yr in uni

so far its alright.. i'm still trying to figure out how to get things done with mac, so if anyone could help me out

- where do my downloads from safari go? whats better firefox or safari? i dont think i can do the select word -> look up in dictionary combo in firefox

without "home" or "end" how do i jump to the beginning and ends of lines? is there also an equivalent pgup and pgdown option??

can i burn xbox 360 games with this dl burner?

does the screen automatically dim when it detects lighting is low ? or are my eyes just messing with me

ok say i forget to turn my laptop to silent before i put it to sleep.. and i go into the lecture hall and turn it back on. will it still make a sound when i turn it on over the speakers if i plug in headphones? (i'm probably gonna try this right after typing)


thanks sorry for hijacking your thread lol

edit: does anyone know where to get cheap 2x 2gigs ddr3 ram? (refer to thread
http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/showthread.php?t=649678)

I can help.

1. Safari downloads go to your downloads folder. You can access it in your dock, its beside the garbage can, or you can hit finder > downloads

2. Safari is better IMO and more snappier, however I have Firefox downloaded because Rogers doesn't support Safari when checking bills.

3. Jumping from the front to the end, I use the up and down arrows.

4. Equivalent to PGUP PGDN = hold function key (FN) and hit the arrows

5. Yes you can burn 360 games using the burner. Any DL burner will burn 360 games (but make sure they are properly stealth patched by using a program in windows)

6. The new MacBook's have an ambient light sensor. This can be disabled by going to system preferences > display. Uncheck "Automatically adjust brightness..."

7. When you put your laptop to sleep and re-awake it, there is no noise, so you should be fine UNLESS you were playing something in iTunes. But even then, I don't know if iTunes will start playing the song again upon awakening.

8. I wish a did a BTO. To upgrade to 4GB, it's $140. It costs around $200 for 2 sticks on eBay. I say that you wait a bit for the prices to go down.

Hope that helped, anymore questions just ask.

[pitz]

Just be aware that Vista 32-bit only takes advantage of about 3.5gb or ram. To make use of more ram you need to go to Vista 64-bit. Something to keep in mind.


Machines that come with Vista Business can be upgraded to Vista 64-bit just by using the 64-bit installation media, and the same activation code.

Personally I highly recommend 64-bit Vista over 32-bit. Even if you have 'just' 2gb.


In any case, I don't see why the MacBook would ever need more then 4gb since it isn't designed to run pro apps that would ever require more ram.

Well you get a few things open at once, and its not that hard to chew through 4gb of RAM. I only have 4gb in my laptop, but I would not buy a new laptop today without the capability of 8gb.

IMHO, a big part of the decision between Mac and PC would be resolved if you just to go Best Buy and try a Mac out for an afternoon. I did recently (as my friends in Cupertino who work at Apple are begging me to get a Mac), and was majorly unimpressed with the OS, nevermind the hardware (which also was a huge dissappointment). But you'll form your own opinion I guess if you go see it for yourself.

[TruE SkiLLS]

I did recently (as my friends in Cupertino who work at Apple are begging me to get a Mac), and was majorly unimpressed with the OS, nevermind the hardware (which also was a huge dissappointment). But you'll form your own opinion I guess if you go see it for yourself.

wow, didn't know that you using a computer or laptop would influence your friends' life so much that they need to beg you to get a mac.

=P

[xOnic_]

Just curious which MacBook did you have? And what makes you think that buying extended warranty should cover accidental coverage? Is it really the manufactures fault that you dropped your notebook, or that you spilt something? Dell doesn't even cover that, you have to pay an extra $100, that's only for 1 year, that covers accidental.

And BTW, there is no heating problems with the new ones. I had the black MacBook and the fans would go absolutely crazy on YouTube or when watching a HD video. On the new ones, the fans are really good and the computer stays cool. My fans haven't gone on once, and I've watched HD trailers from Apple.

I had the 2.0 GHz santa rosa (white) macbook. To me, paying a premium for warranty should at least provide some accidental coverage. Looking at ASUS for example, they provide you 1 year accidental coverage for free. Lenovo has spill resistance and a solid build while the Apple tax only provides us 'good' customer service/support. At least with Dell, this premium charge for warranty DOES cover accidents whereas the AppleCare only saves you in situations where your hardware fails. The point being is that macbooks (the previous ones anyways) are way too fragile.

[al3x89]

I had the 2.0 GHz santa rosa (white) macbook. To me, paying a premium for warranty should at least provide some accidental coverage. Looking at ASUS for example, they provide you 1 year accidental coverage for free. Lenovo has spill resistance and a solid build while the Apple tax only provides us 'good' customer service/support. At least with Dell, this premium charge for warranty DOES cover accidents whereas the AppleCare only saves you in situations where your hardware fails. The point being is that macbooks (the previous ones anyways) are way too fragile.

Any laptop is fragile... if you drop a laptop, I can guarantee that you will have at least one problem as soon as you start using it again (broken screen, harddrie malfunctioning, etc), if not then problems will arise throughout the course of its life.

But anyways, I thought Dell's warranty worked like this... You get 1 year warranty, then extended warranty for 3 years is $300 AND if you want to get accidental coverage, then it's an additional $100 that only lasts for 3 years.

[TruE SkiLLS]

But anyways, I thought Dell's warranty worked like this... You get 1 year warranty, then extended warranty for 3 years is $300 AND if you want to get accidental coverage, then it's an additional $100 that only lasts for 3 years.

yeah, tats what i'm thinking it is too... so if you want 3 years with complete care, its like 450$

[al3x89]

yeah, tats what i'm thinking it is too... so if you want 3 years with complete care, its like 450$

Whoops, just realized I made a mistake. It's an extra $100 for accident coverage which lasts 1 year. And to extend the actual warranty from the regular 1 year to 3 years it's another $300.

[aquariaguy]

I'm thinking of getting a mac too. The new MacBooks like really nice and the build quality is superb apparently.

I just have a few questions. Watching movies, with codecs, is it the same? Are there codecs out there for the same movies I'd download and watch on a PC? What about Office? What alternatives do I have apart from using bootcamp to boot XP. I use PowerPoint and Word OFTEN for school and work. Lastly, can I still torrent on a MAC? I couldn't find compatibility with BitComet. And I know they don't use .iso so whats the file I would use for a MAC?

[TruE SkiLLS]

I'm thinking of getting a mac too. The new MacBooks like really nice and the build quality is superb apparently.

I just have a few questions. Watching movies, with codecs, is it the same? Are there codecs out there for the same movies I'd download and watch on a PC? What about Office? What alternatives do I have apart from using bootcamp to boot XP. I use PowerPoint and Word OFTEN for school and work. Lastly, can I still torrent on a MAC? I couldn't find compatibility with BitComet. And I know they don't use .iso so whats the file I would use for a MAC?

you can get "microsoft office" on mac =P
torrent, yes... its called transmission in the macworld
codecs, its kinda the same thing, but vlc should solve everything.
mac installation files are dmg, but they can run iso too (as long as when u iso it, its actually a file that can be used)

[al3x89]

I'm thinking of getting a mac too. The new MacBooks like really nice and the build quality is superb apparently.

I just have a few questions. Watching movies, with codecs, is it the same? Are there codecs out there for the same movies I'd download and watch on a PC? What about Office? What alternatives do I have apart from using bootcamp to boot XP. I use PowerPoint and Word OFTEN for school and work. Lastly, can I still torrent on a MAC? I couldn't find compatibility with BitComet. And I know they don't use .iso so whats the file I would use for a MAC?

For movies... VLC player is what you want. It has all the codecs there already.

For office... Office 2008 is what you want, same thing as 2007 but for Macs. If you hate MS Office, then you could always download OpenOffice. (I use PP and Word everyday at school during class, as we have to download from WebCT, and I have no problem opening the files the teachers post).

You can torrent on Mac. I would suggest getting Transmission. Nice, small program that downloads torrents just as well as any other program. I used to use Azureus, but I found that Transmission is better just because it has a clean UI.

No idea about the last one, never came across it. When you download games/apps for Mac, they almost always come prepared to install (download as .rar > expand to .dmg).

And you might ask this, so I'll answer it. To open .rar files, download Rar Expander.

[al3x89]

you can get "microsoft office" on mac =P
torrent, yes... its called transmission in the macworld
codecs, its kinda the same thing, but vlc should solve everything.
mac installation files are dmg, but they can run iso too (as long as when u iso it, its actually a file that can be used)

Too quick for me, I hate you. :o

[ashgotti]

I'm thinking of getting a mac too. The new MacBooks like really nice and the build quality is superb apparently.

I just have a few questions. Watching movies, with codecs, is it the same? Are there codecs out there for the same movies I'd download and watch on a PC? What about Office? What alternatives do I have apart from using bootcamp to boot XP. I use PowerPoint and Word OFTEN for school and work. Lastly, can I still torrent on a MAC? I couldn't find compatibility with BitComet. And I know they don't use .iso so whats the file I would use for a MAC?

If you want to use Front Row or Quicktime, you'll need codecs (Xvid, AC3, Flip4mac which is for wmv), or you can just us VLC.

You can get office 2008 for mac or use Apple's iWork suite or Open Office 3.

I use VMWare Fusion when I need to test sites in IE and it's very quick, almost native speeds. Takes about 30-45 seconds to "boot".

You can still torrent. Transmission is popular but I use Azureus because I get better speeds.

Mac's use .dmg but sometimes .iso.

Learning curve overall is a week.

[aaquib]

I bought a Mac, the Mac mini, back in May. It was one of the best things I've ever purchased. OS X is a dream, the hardware has caused 0 problems, and the experience of buying at an Apple Store is unforgettable.

You will enjoy using a computer for the first time ever. Be warned.

[TruE SkiLLS]

Too quick for me, I hate you. :o

nothing like the speed of mac =P, jks jks jks. but yes i am fast

[SAN66]

I just have a few questions. Watching movies, with codecs, is it the same? Are there codecs out there for the same movies I'd download and watch on a PC?

There are a few things that can make your system awesome without the need for VLC, I personally don't like VLC all that much, its interface is clunky and it doesn't integrate into OSX.

1) Install flip4mac (http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowsmedia/player/wmcomponents.mspx), its a wmv codec that can handle all your windows proprietary audio and video.
2) Install Perian (http://perian.org/), its basically your equivalent to your standard windows codec pack, but it sits in preferences and so updates itself when needed as part of your system update.
3) Install the Sapphire Browser Plugin (http://appletv.nanopi.net/) for front row. This will download tv and movie synopsis for your movie or tv collection if you have one and allow you to index and browse networked colletions from front row.

If you have the proper installed codecs, you can connect your Macbook to any outside source and with the lid closed (needs to be plugged in) and you can navigate and play video through front row with the apple remote, no need to use a mouse or anything.

[HowEver]

nothing like the speed of mac =P, jks jks jks. but yes i am fast

You've never used one.

[TruE SkiLLS]

You've never used one.

that's what she said.

[gateway]

Apple laptops are worth their ticket price, in my opinion. I use Macbook as my work computer for the last 2 years every single day. Hauling it to and from work every day. I never owned more dependable machine. I already ordered the new model as I need all 4 gigs of ram (my maxes out at 2) and cpu speed bump is rather nice.

At home I have my PC with quad core 2 cpu and beefy video card. Not even thinking about switching that for a Mac (or installing Vista instead of XP). Also I have a Linux server in the basement. I guess it boils down what kind of computer user you are and what you do with that.

If you decide to get a Macbook I'd suggest not getting AppleCare for few simple reasons:
1. You are covered for the first year anyway. Things like motherboard and other things you cannot replace yourself will normally fail within that period of time or won't fail for the long time.
2. AppleCare will never cover accidental damages like "ooops i dropped it and broke the screen"
3. You can replace harddrive/memory/battery yourself and it won't cost much.

If you can't afford a Mac, get a cheapo Dell. At least warranty from Dell is pretty good. Alternatively Lenovo is a relatively solid choice as well, used to be better when it was still IBM though.


where can you get a bigger harddrive for the mac book pro?

[pitz]

where can you get a bigger harddrive for the mac book pro?

Just order any SATA 2.5" drive from NCIX, Anitec, wherever. There's nothing special about the drives themselves.

I believe the largest sized 2.5" HDD is a 500gb model.

[Emancipated]

I hate these threads. The same people always post the same comments. Recycled praises and criticism. There's nothing new added to these "discussions" so just search for it, people!

[aquariaguy]

Gonna go check it out today, and maybe come back home with one!! $1300USD in Philly with only 5% tax and I get $50 for educational discount. Anything else that I can't do on a MAC that I can do on a PC that I should be aware of? Is OpenOffice just as good as Office 2003? And how is torrenting on a mac? Does it tend to overheat? I'm using a Compaq right now for 4 years, and it's starting to get the blue screen of death every now and than. I torrent quite a bit on it as well.

[KorruptioN]

If it overheats, something's wrong with it. Simple as that.

[Matrixvibe]

Are you ever wrong... Macs have absolutely no problem whatsoever with printers, camera's, video camera's etc. Not sure who fed you that information, but it's just as easy to hook up a printer (or any other device) to a mac as it is on a PC.

From personal experience, for camera's it's even easier because iPhoto recognizes the camera and you can see all your pics instantly without any drivers.

Well, this is wat i have learned in the past, about compatibility issues and what i might to say was other products, i know most printers, camera, etc. would come with Mac drivers but like specific devices and that not offered on Mac. Also i said from my opinion i have never installed a driver for a camera, lol, i just take the card out and put it in card reader.

[darkprince]

I'm looking to get a Macbook for christmas this year. I'll be mainly using it for school work, watching videos, and internet browsing. I don't think that I'll be using it for gaming.

I don't know much about Macs or PC so I was hoping the RFD community could help me on this one.

Are Macbooks overrated?
some say they're

For the Mac users, why did you decide to get a Mac?
i got it b/c OSx is stable and won't crash on me and i am not vulnerable to viruses and if i required to use windows application(s) i can always run "Bootcamp" or "Parallel"

For the PC users, why did you decide to stay with PC?
Too many softwares that i need to use are made for windows base.

If I end up getting a Mac, what are the other costs associated with it? Service Plans? etc...?
there are no other costs. apple the "apple care" which is a extended warranty but you don't not required to get it on the day of the purchase you can purchase that extended warranty any time b4 the end of the first year limited warranty.

Which one should I get that would meet my needs?
consider what you just mention in the beginning, you should be good getting the "macbook" line. Depending on your own preferences: 2.0ghz VS 2.4ghz doesn't really make any differences considering what you're going to do with your macbook.


If not a Mac, what PC would you recommend me?
too many choices i might as well goto dell and build my own.

Thx a bunch everybody!
NP!

[convoluted]

Any laptop is fragile... if you drop a laptop, I can guarantee that you will have at least one problem as soon as you start using it again (broken screen, harddrie malfunctioning, etc), if not then problems will arise throughout the course of its life.


I've dropped my thinkpad several times (fell out of my bed). Only problem I had was I bent the power plug a little where it connects to the laptop.

The other problem was the battery started to go, but that's just normal.

[KorruptioN]

i got it b/c OSx is stable and won't crash on me and i am not vulnerable to viruses and if i required to use windows application(s) i can always run "Bootcamp" or "Parallel

If you think you're "not vulnerable" to viruses and other malware on the OSX platform, you're being very ignorant. The risk is reduced, but not eliminated (for now).

[SAN66]

If you think you're "not vulnerable" to viruses and other malware on the OSX platform, you're being very ignorant. The risk is reduced, but not eliminated (for now).

Just to play devil's advocate (I personally run an antivirus prog on OSX and use the common sense of don't visit shady sites or open shady attachments or files) can you even name a virus or other malware (not from a lab) for OSX? I think I've only ever heard of one and it wasn't very sophisticated, it asked you to enter a password for something that was clearly not a system process.

I'm frankly surprised, what with the number of macs used on campuses these days, some even with a +50% adoption rate, you would think some disgruntled nerd would write a virus to stick it to the "drones" of Mac users at his school or to simply have the "prestige" of being the first to write a virus for the mac that actually makes it somewhere. Instead there are still next to no viruses or malware programs for the mac.

[Gdog]

After using my new 13" aluminum MB for a couple weeks now, I must say OS X is a dream after learning the ins and outs. Basically everything I previously did on XP can be done on a Mac.

Some simple notes:
- fn + backspace emulates the "delete" key from PCs
- fn + up/down arrow is the same as page up/down

Overall, system stability is awesome and the build quality of this unit is amazing. I love the instant on from Standby--such a difference compared to XP on my old laptop. :cheesygri

[hugh_da_man]

After using my new 13" aluminum MB for a couple weeks now, I must say OS X is a dream after learning the ins and outs. Basically everything I previously did on XP can be done on a Mac.

Some simple notes:
- fn + backspace emulates the "delete" key from PCs
- fn + up/down arrow is the same as page up/down

Overall, system stability is awesome and the build quality of this unit is amazing. I love the instant on from Standby--such a difference compared to XP on my old laptop. :cheesygri

Just curious but what was your old laptop?

Not to start the flame wars again but everyone I know compares their macbook to their "old laptop" and when I ask them what their old laptop was it's usually some second hand junker or thrifty special and the comparison between a $1300 macbook and $400 pc special is kind of useless.

[gordholio]

Just to play devil's advocate (I personally run an antivirus prog on OSX and use the common sense of don't visit shady sites or open shady attachments or files) can you even name a virus or other malware (not from a lab) for OSX? I think I've only ever heard of one and it wasn't very sophisticated, it asked you to enter a password for something that was clearly not a system process.

I'm frankly surprised, what with the number of macs used on campuses these days, some even with a +50% adoption rate, you would think some disgruntled nerd would write a virus to stick it to the "drones" of Mac users at his school or to simply have the "prestige" of being the first to write a virus for the mac that actually makes it somewhere. Instead there are still next to no viruses or malware programs for the mac.

Apple users are still a very small number compared to Windows users.
Idiots don't want to waste their time infecting a relatively small number of people, so they go for Windows.

[aelam]

There are a few things that can make your system awesome without the need for VLC, I personally don't like VLC all that much, its interface is clunky and it doesn't integrate into OSX.

1) Install flip4mac (http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowsmedia/player/wmcomponents.mspx), its a wmv codec that can handle all your windows proprietary audio and video.
2) Install Perian (http://perian.org/), its basically your equivalent to your standard windows codec pack, but it sits in preferences and so updates itself when needed as part of your system update.
3) Install the Sapphire Browser Plugin (http://appletv.nanopi.net/) for front row. This will download tv and movie synopsis for your movie or tv collection if you have one and allow you to index and browse networked colletions from front row.

If you have the proper installed codecs, you can connect your Macbook to any outside source and with the lid closed (needs to be plugged in) and you can navigate and play video through front row with the apple remote, no need to use a mouse or anything.

You're awesome. Thanks for the heads up on 1 and 2. I'm not that interested in 3 but the first 2 are a god send!

[Emancipated]

Get the Mac.

With the redesign, there isn't much ground to argue against the fit and finish of the enclosure. I have an older generation MBP going on two years and it's still solid as ever. My PC notebooks usually have fading after 12 months much like the earlier Macbooks suffered from. In terms of compatibility, you can't make that argument stick anymore. It can run any OS you throw at it and then some.

It seems like it ultimately boils down to whether or not the Macbooks are worth the premium surcharge. PC notebooks with similar specs are going for HALF right now, HP, Dell, etc. Pay more for a no-fuss OS X experience, better built inside and out. Not exactly a novelty item anymore since everyone is buying one now but don't buy it for a status peice; buy it because you truly feel it's a engineering feat.

[Emancipated]

Just to play devil's advocate (I personally run an antivirus prog on OSX and use the common sense of don't visit shady sites or open shady attachments or files) can you even name a virus or other malware (not from a lab) for OSX? I think I've only ever heard of one and it wasn't very sophisticated, it asked you to enter a password for something that was clearly not a system process.

I'm frankly surprised, what with the number of macs used on campuses these days, some even with a +50% adoption rate, you would think some disgruntled nerd would write a virus to stick it to the "drones" of Mac users at his school or to simply have the "prestige" of being the first to write a virus for the mac that actually makes it somewhere. Instead there are still next to no viruses or malware programs for the mac.

This is bordering on a discussion on OS X vs All thread but I just don't buy the argument that OS X is immune to virus. Sure every time you install something it asks for a password, but I must believe there are loopholes out there. I long for the day when someone writes a sophisticated virus to bypass that and give Apple's head a good shake. Are there exploits in BSD? If there's a will, there's a way. Imagine all the Emo kids cutting when their precious Macbooks get kernel panics :D

[angekfire]

PCs have their pros/cons, and so do MACs. For a desktop machine, I would definitely want a PC. Reason I like PCs:
-Don't have to worry about part compatibility when I want to upgrade.
-Familiarity
-All my software/games are specifically for windows.
-Cheap in comparison to MACs.

For a laptop, I could go either way. I have been debating getting a macbook for a while, but at the same time I could live with a regular windows laptop. The benefits of a mac:
-Reliable
-Well built
-A lot of people like OSX (I'm more used to windows, but I have used OSX. I prefer windows at this point).
-reduced chance of mal-ware & viruses.

The reason I wouldn't want a mac as a desktop machine is because it isn't compatible with any of my games, and I'm a gamer. I'd need to run bootcamp or some other crap.

The reason I don't have a laptop, but would consider either a macbook or a windows laptop is because MACs are expensive, but I wouldn't be using it for and significant gaming so compatibility wouldn't be as much of a concern. I'd mostly want one because it is stable and anyone I've talked to who has gotten one basically becomes a convert, and praises it highly. Either way, I'm just not sure I could justify the price difference at this stage.

[grmoro]

I'm looking to get a Macbook for christmas this year. I'll be mainly using it for school work, watching videos, and internet browsing. I don't think that I'll be using it for gaming.

I don't know much about Macs or PC so I was hoping the RFD community could help me on this one.

Are Macbooks overrated?

For the Mac users, why did you decide to get a Mac?

For the PC users, why did you decide to stay with PC?

If I end up getting a Mac, what are the other costs associated with it? Service Plans? etc...?

Which one should I get that would meet my needs?

If not a Mac, what PC would you recommend me?

Thx a bunch everybody!

Hello. I actually wanted a MAC for training and ease of use, but with theprice of them being too high I came-up with a compromise. I am running both the MAC OS X 10.5.2 and Windows XP Pro SP2 on my Lenovo C200 laptop. Bought the laptop with a Celeron 1.6Ghz 533FSB, 512MB of memory, 80GB SATA hard drive, touch pad, 802.11b/g, DL DVD burner, 15" LCD, and a multi-card reader for only $445 + taxes. Then I upgraded the processor to a Duo-Core 2Ghz 667FSB for $92, a 320GB SATA hard drive for $90, and an external 2.5" SATA hard drive enclosure for $8. Now I can easily boot-up to whatever OS I feel like using and it is really nice!

Only issues are that the onboard multi-media reader and the sound don't work in the MAC OS, but I only use them while in XP anyway.

Nice, stable , and cheap!

[SAN66]

You're awesome. Thanks for the heads up on 1 and 2. I'm not that interested in 3 but the first 2 are a god send!

No problem. Number 3 has actually been lagging anyway, but some new excellent players have stepped up, like Boxee.

Apple users are still a very small number compared to Windows users.
Idiots don't want to waste their time infecting a relatively small number of people, so they go for Windows.

To the industrious hacker, yeah the Apple user base is too small for their notice, but not to the disgruntled hacker. See viruses can generally be classed into two categories. 1) Data theft virii, keyloggers, data sniffers, etc that try to capture your bank card number/password, etc... these are produced and employed by the industrious hacker. 2) Destructive virii that break your system in a variety of ways for no other reason than to destroy your system... these are produced and employed by the disgruntled hacker.

Now disgruntled hackers generally run their exploits for gloating rights or to simply be pricks. Now I'll hand you one thing, most disgruntled hackers are stupid teenage script kiddies who know dick about core programming and just take something existing and modify it. Since there's no base virus code for them to modify on osx, they can't make viruses.

<tinfoilhat>There's also the argument, and I believe it, that the antivirus industry indirectly creates viruses for windows. I guess the Mac market isn't big enough yet for them to bother trying to break into it.</tinfoilhat>

I long for the day when someone writes a sophisticated virus to bypass that and give Apple's head a good shake. Are there exploits in BSD? If there's a will, there's a way. Imagine all the Emo kids cutting when their precious Macbooks get kernel panics :D

There are allot of exploits in OSX, but I would argue that based on the way the system is constructed its allot harder to take advantage of those exploits. In XP you always ran as administrator, in OSX you never have access to the system core unless you su or sudo. There have been BSD viruses (after all allot of servers run BSD), but they're usually patched up quickly.

[Emancipated]

No problem. Number 3 has actually been lagging anyway, but some new excellent players have stepped up, like Boxee.



To the industrious hacker, yeah the Apple user base is too small for their notice, but not to the disgruntled hacker. See viruses can generally be classed into two categories. 1) Data theft virii, keyloggers, data sniffers, etc that try to capture your bank card number/password, etc... these are produced and employed by the industrious hacker. 2) Destructive virii that break your system in a variety of ways for no other reason than to destroy your system... these are produced and employed by the disgruntled hacker.

Now disgruntled hackers generally run their exploits for gloating rights or to simply be pricks. Now I'll hand you one thing, most disgruntled hackers are stupid teenage script kiddies who know dick about core programming and just take something existing and modify it. Since there's no base virus code for them to modify on osx, they can't make viruses.

<tinfoilhat>There's also the argument, and I believe it, that the antivirus industry indirectly creates viruses for windows. I guess the Mac market isn't big enough yet for them to bother trying to break into it.</tinfoilhat>



There are allot of exploits in OSX, but I would argue that based on the way the system is constructed its allot harder to take advantage of those exploits. In XP you always ran as administrator, in OSX you never have access to the system core unless you su or sudo. There have been BSD viruses (after all allot of servers run BSD), but they're usually patched up quickly.

I believe that tinfoilhat theory wholeheartedly. It's virtually undetectable as to who or whom created the virus. Is there much of a market in antivirus software on the Mac platform? You draw your own conclusions there. Going back to my statement about being a will, there's a way.

I read somewhere after Goolging someone mentioned a "root" attack