Guns N Roses chinese democracy pre-order

[wildchild22]

You can pre-order chinese democracy if it will actually be released is another thing. anyway here is the link

http://www.bestbuy.ca/catalog/proddetail.asp?logon=&langid=EN&sku_id=0926INGFSM2159251&catid=20994

and also


http://www.futureshop.ca/catalog/proddetail.asp?logon=&langid=EN&sku_id=0665000FSM2159251&catid=13466

[cayouche]

Who is Guns and Roses, and what is that "Chinese Democracy"??
Never heard from them...

[Tjalfe]

I was always wondering what would come out first.. Duke Nukem forever, or this .. I think work started about the same time for both:D

[Viper98]

well it was said last week the album will hit on 11/25 so I'd say this just solidifies that fact

wish I lived in the US, I could use a free Dr Pepper :cheesygri

[cayouche]

I was always wondering what would come out first.. Duke Nukem forever, or this .. I think work started about the same time for both:D

Haha! Don't get too excited... GNR:CD is still not out yet... ;)

[Viper98]

I was always wondering what would come out first.. Duke Nukem forever, or this .. I think work started about the same time for both:D

it was close

DNF started in 97
Chinese Democracy in 94

[MasterXan]

LOL finally the damn thing is coming out

i think i'll enjoy this more than Death Magnetic or any of VR's albums.

I can't wait to play DNF while listening to this cd.

:D

[Happy13178]

I listened to the tracks that got leaked a while back, and one or two tracks aren't bad, but its not GnR without Slash IMHO...just a Rose solo effort.

[loggereh]

Who said Axl is now clear headed enough to actually release the album he's ben working on for the last 15 years? It should also be pointed that this is not the original cast of GNR...Slash, Duff, Matt are not on the album, just Axl and his messed up head...don't expect this album to be good even if it does get released.

[akovacs]

It has been available on the internet for about a year, it is not as good as the original G'n'R.

[jjgoo]

they have a new album? hmm, great.

[loggereh]

LOL finally the damn thing is coming out

i think i'll enjoy this more than Death Magnetic or any of VR's albums.

I can't wait to play DNF while listening to this cd.

:D

VR I can see... even though I seriously doubt I will like Axl's stuff more than Contraband or Libertad.... But Death Magnetic absolutely kicks butt... from the leaked tracks I've heard, there is no way Axl could beat Metallica on his own...even if he worked on the album for another 20 years.

[fudge_u]

The album kinda sucked. I downloaded it last year... lol. I doubt GnR made many improvements to it between then and now.

WG

[Viper98]

Who said Axl is now clear headed enough to actually release the album he's ben working on for the last 15 years? It should also be pointed that this is not the original cast of GNR...Slash, Duff, Matt are not on the album, just Axl and his messed up head...don't expect this album to be good even if it does get released.

that's not a bad thing

drummers and bassists in 99.9% of bands(GNR included) are 100% replacable. Only a select few bands they aren't(IE Rush, Dream Theater)

as for Slash he was replaced with 3 different lead guitarists, Buckethead(who is, imo the best guitarist on the planet), Bumblefoot, and Robin Finck.

[kelvin]

No Slash, no Guns:evil:

[Kurtz7834]

Let me say that I continue to be a Guns N Roses fan. Appetite and the Illusions albums are some of the best hard rock albums of all time. I have seen Velvet Revolver (including Slash, Duff and Matt) live multiple times.

I heard the June 08 leak of Chinese Democracy and (IMHO) it sucked hard. Poor, rambling songs, Axl sounds like a dying cat, etc. So I can't say I'm too excited.

Of course, real GNR is not just Axl and a new band, but it would have to include Slash, Duff, Matt and hopefully Izzy too.

[Viper98]

The album kinda sucked. I downloaded it last year... lol. I doubt GnR made many improvements to it between then and now.

WG

depending on when you downloaded the leaks last year there may be GIGANTIC improvements. The latest songs sound much better than the original leaks

[loggereh]

No Slash, no Guns:evil:

+1

Honestly, I'm looking forward to the ex GNR clan to find a new lead singer and make another go at it. The Scott Weiland project went well until he started acting up like Axl. I bet Slash, Matt, and Duff will have a new band formed and an album released before Axl can even say a release date for Chinese Democracy.

[gsturgeon]

Here's a link to the release of the single Shacklers Revenge from the Rockband 2 game....yeeeesh.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lH_ygJO6_vE&feature=related

[loggereh]

that's not a bad thing

drummers and bassists in 99.9% of bands(GNR included) are 100% replacable. Only a select few bands they aren't(IE Rush, Dream Theater)

as for Slash he was replaced with 3 different lead guitarists, Buckethead(who is, imo the best guitarist on the planet), Bumblefoot, and Robin Finck.

We will see how replaceable they are when the album comes out in 2025.

[Madchester]

that's not a bad thing

drummers and bassists in 99.9% of bands(GNR included) are 100% replacable. Only a select few bands they aren't(IE Rush, Dream Theater)


Once Reni left the Stone Roses, the band self-imploded within a year. The new drummer was like a novice on Rock Band, most evidently in rhythm-driven songs like Fools Gold.

Bernard Sumner and Stephen Morris must be out of their minds if they think that New Order can continue without Peter Hook. Gillian was easily replaced on keyboards, but you can't perform Blue Monday or Bizzare Love Triangle w/o Hooky's signature bass.

[WildThing]

If I buy that album, it will for sure not be a pre-order. Imagine those who pre-ordered it in 2002 :)

I pre-ordered GTA4 in July 2007 (Dell deal of the day) and got it in April 2008, that's already long enough :)

I will believe the new GNR album when I'll be able to touch it. I don't even read the news anymore

Wild Thing

[gnrocks2]

Here's a link to all the studio demos that leaked back in June (plus Shackler's Revenge): www.gnrworld.com/demos2008.html :cheesygri

[Kurtz7834]

Once Reni left the Stone Roses, the band self-imploded within a year. The new drummer was like a novice on Rock Band, most evidently in rhythm-driven songs like Fools Gold.

Bernard Sumner and Stephen Morris must be out of their minds if they think that New Order can continue without Peter Hook. Gillian was easily replaced on keyboards, but you can't perform Blue Monday or Bizzare Love Triangle w/o Hooky's signature bass.

Good points. For GNR, Izzy was a key songwriter and that's why the band mainly imploded after he left in late 1991. Axl and Izzy were always the main songwriters of GNR.

[spol]

Keep these kind of topics out of the Hot deal section please.

[MasterXan]

Keep these kind of topics out of the Hot deal section please.

this isn't a political topic

[Kurtz7834]

Keep these kind of topics out of the Hot deal section please.

The deal is for a Guns N Roses album. People are discussing Guns N Roses. And the problem is...?

[teknoluv]

that's not a bad thing

drummers and bassists in 99.9% of bands(GNR included) are 100% replacable. Only a select few bands they aren't(IE Rush, Dream Theater).
Bernard Sumner and Stephen Morris must be out of their minds if they think that New Order can continue without Peter Hook. Gillian was easily replaced on keyboards, but you can't perform Blue Monday or Bizzare Love Triangle w/o Hooky's signature bass.
It really depends on the type of music the band is playing. For "atmospheric" band sound like New Order, bass is definitely more important than lead guitar; or just imagine if Phil Collins was missing from playing his own In The Air Tonight. However, I do agree that it's the song-writing role which is more important. So while Phil Collins could imitate Peter Gabriel's vocal and sold more records for Genesis, he never brought back the Genesis of Selling England by the Pound. Similarly, even Blue Monday itself is a nice piece of music TECHNICALLY, it's not even close to Closer (by Joy Division) in terms of getting the message/meaning out.

Keep these kind of topics out of the Hot deal section please.
this isn't a political topic
Still, this is NOT a Hot Deal. Entertainment is perhaps the more appropriate place.

[chrza]

The glory days are gone. Not many bands can top themselves, especially when they were that amazing back in the day. Metallica lost it a LONG time ago. Death Magnetic is god awful. Can't speak for Chinese Democracy, but I'm not expecting much. Slash was practically half the band.

But whatever, Axl needs money. And lots of people will buy the album regardless of how good or garbage it is.

And lol @ New Order. Anyone can play that stuff.

[solofly]

Guns and Roses are back? No way!! I wonder how the music is tho, with them being older and such...

[ubcturkey]

The US Best Buy site has the cover art and the track listing:

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=9111016&st=guns+n+roses&type=product&id=1925065

[Lint1976]

Good points. For GNR, Izzy was a key songwriter and that's why the band mainly imploded after he left in late 1991. Axl and Izzy were always the main songwriters of GNR.

I definately agree with that. I really liked Izzy's first solo album, but never seeked out any of his others after that.

[redias]

does this have anything to do with china>?

[Madchester]

Keep these kind of topics out of the Hot deal section please.

For the thread on the Sharp TV, there's discussion on "banding" across various television units. That "snow wolf/wheel" thread contains info on comparable snow shovels. The "Poang" chair thread has talk on similar chairs and their relative comfort-to-price ratio.

Don't see the problem of a thread on "Product A" comparing the merits of Product A with Product B.

[schubacca]

Axl runs the show and I would say that GNR would not be GNR if only Axl was missing while the others were present.

Madagascar is a amazing tune that pushes the GNR sound forward. Everything that I have heard from VR is uninspiring IMHO.

[forzamilan]

dont listen to the morons in this thread, the ALBUM ****ING ROCKS!!! ive been listening to it for months now, from track 1 to 8 of the demos ive heard, they are all fantastic, im definently buying this album.

Madagascar is an insane song, but my favorite is definently Prostitute

[redias]

it is about time there are some CHINESE bands here in the west

Go China!

[skyway]

does this have anything to do with china>?

No, or we'd all have melamine poisoning.

[apexuw]

for those communist fanatics asking who is GnR, and what does Chinese Democracy means. Just look it up, never heard of Google? If not google, you do know how to use baidu right? But its definitely not something related to your glorious motherland, "big land"

Chinese bands in the west ? lol gimme a break

Go china ? how about GO MELAMINE!

[redias]

for those communist fanatics asking who is GnR, and what does Chinese Democracy means. Just look it up, never heard of Google? If not google, you do know how to use baidu right? But its definitely not something related to your glorious motherland, "big land"

Chinese bands in the west ? lol gimme a break

Go china ? how about GO MELAMINE!

cuz you know, Chinese music is the best!

[loggereh]

The glory days are gone. Not many bands can top themselves, especially when they were that amazing back in the day. Metallica lost it a LONG time ago. Death Magnetic is god awful. Can't speak for Chinese Democracy, but I'm not expecting much. Slash was practically half the band.

But whatever, Axl needs money. And lots of people will buy the album regardless of how good or garbage it is.

And lol @ New Order. Anyone can play that stuff.

Dunno which Death Magnetic you've been listening to, but it kicks ass... A definite back to the roots album for Metallica, with the longer non-radio friendly songs and heavier sound.... and the album sales certainly reflect that.. as for anyone being able to play New Order, you couldn't be more wrong.

[redias]

http://www.newsweek.com/media/91/080425_ChinaConcert_dl.jpg

[redias]

http://www.oneinchpunch.net/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2007/07/china-youngest-rock-band.jpg

[rhainman]

cuz you know, Chinese music is the best!

http://www.newsweek.com/media/91/080425_ChinaConcert_dl.jpg
One of those guys is wearing a Slipknot shirt.

[teknoluv]

for those communist fanatics asking who is GnR, and what does Chinese Democracy means. Just look it up, never heard of Google? If not google, you do know how to use baidu right? But its definitely not something related to your glorious motherland, "big land"

Chinese bands in the west ? lol gimme a break

Go china ? how about GO MELAMINE!
It's kind of stupid to ask who is GNR or saying never heard of them (although I would render the guy some benefit of the doubt since the links were probably not there when he posted); HOWEVER, it's more shameful trying to bash China and the people from mainland China whenever one has even the most remote chance, like in a thread about rock music, esp. when he or she does not know a thing about the underground rock scene over there.

[TheGamer2400]

Who said Axl is now clear headed enough to actually release the album he's ben working on for the last 15 years? It should also be pointed that this is not the original cast of GNR...Slash, Duff, Matt are not on the album, just Axl and his messed up head...don't expect this album to be good even if it does get released.

Whatever. This album is going to be great. I can't wait to hear Madagascar again! Anyways, the ex-members of GNR have some issues, just ask Scott Weiland :cheesygri

[TheGamer2400]

Here's a link to all the studio demos that leaked back in June (plus Shackler's Revenge): www.gnrworld.com/demos2008.html :cheesygri

Thanks for the link! :) Been looking for a site like that for sometime!

[apexuw]

It's kind of stupid to ask who is GNR or saying never heard of them (although I would render the guy some benefit of the doubt since the links were probably not there when he posted); HOWEVER, it's more shameful trying to bash China and the people from mainland China whenever one has even the most remote chance, like in a thread about rock music, esp. when he or she does not know a thing about the underground rock scene over there.

I accept your criticism. I was just amused by how easily some people felt things revolve around them or their proud motherland, and get all excited about anything remotely related to the word china, even the oxymoron "chinese democracy" LOL

[JAC]

The version I have sucks. Giant donkey balls.

And before you all jump up my ass, I was a fan of the original (real) GNR back from 87-91. I have Appetite for Destruction, GNR Lies and Illusions 1 & 2. The new "GNR" doesn't deserve the name.

Axl really needs to pack it in.

[Viper98]

The version I have sucks. Giant donkey balls.

And before you all jump up my ass, I was a fan of the original (real) GNR back from 87-91. I have Appetite for Destruction, GNR Lies and Illusions 1 & 2. The new "GNR" doesn't deserve the name.

Axl really needs to pack it in.

I am going to have to disagree with you

Appetite for Destruction is one of my fav albums of all time........ but I'd say Chinese Democracy is their #2 album as their other albums only have 1 or 2 good songs on them imo

[JAC]

I am going to have to disagree with you

Appetite for Destruction is one of my fav albums of all time........ but I'd say Chinese Democracy is their #2 album as their other albums only have 1 or 2 good songs on them imo

What? Oh, man, there's just too much of a generation gap here to argue this with you. :)

[belowzeros]

mmm guns n roses double bill with Metallica...I saw that one a few times. I can remember listening to Appetite on my sony cd walkman in the middle of a school assembly. I thought it was the coolest thing ever it was just when walkmans came out that were affordable to me or something like that lol. good times

it was sad how the originals (or semi original 2nd generation of the band depending how you look at it) fizzled and burned out just as they were getting into their groove...so much good music out of that crew

[Kurtz7834]

Dunno which Death Magnetic you've been listening to, but it kicks ass... A definite back to the roots album for Metallica, with the longer non-radio friendly songs and heavier sound.... and the album sales certainly reflect that.. as for anyone being able to play New Order, you couldn't be more wrong.

+1. New Order comes from Joy Division (after Ian Curtis killed himself they changed their name). Joy Division is a legendary band, if anyone hasn't heard their 2 albums which are now almost 30 years old, you are missing out.

And as an old school Metallica fan, I think Death Magnetic is their best album since And Justice For All, 20 years ago.

[Kurtz7834]

The version I have sucks. Giant donkey balls.

And before you all jump up my ass, I was a fan of the original (real) GNR back from 87-91. I have Appetite for Destruction, GNR Lies and Illusions 1 & 2. The new "GNR" doesn't deserve the name.

Axl really needs to pack it in.

+1, as a long time GNR fan, gotta agree. Hopefully the final Chinese Democracy is better than the June 08 leak, which was truly terrible. Bad singing, bad songwriting, none of the old GNR feeling which even Velvet Revolver could bring back at times.

[pete]

I've been a fan since the their albums were released on vinyl.. I heard the "new" album if what was leaked will actually be the new album, and I'd have to say it's not as bad as people say.. I actually kind of like it..

[mariokarter]

its funny though cause my BB flyer said "chinease democracy coming soon".

[chrza]

Dunno which Death Magnetic you've been listening to, but it kicks ass... A definite back to the roots album for Metallica, with the longer non-radio friendly songs and heavier sound.... and the album sales certainly reflect that.. as for anyone being able to play New Order, you couldn't be more wrong.

It's awful. It's a weak attempt at going back to their roots and it doesn't even compare to anything from AJFA and prior. There's no flow to the songs. It's just random riffs tossed together to make a "song". The lyrics are stupid "Love is a four letter word", come on. Obviously we won't agree, though. But that's my opinion.

And New Order isn't complex stuff by any means, sorry. Not that it has to be, but saying their bassist isn't replaceable is a bit of a stretch.

[teknoluv]

And lol @ New Order. Anyone can play that stuff.
as for anyone being able to play New Order, you couldn't be more wrong.
+1. New Order comes from Joy Division (after Ian Curtis killed himself they changed their name). Joy Division is a legendary band, if anyone hasn't heard their 2 albums which are now almost 30 years old, you are missing out.
As a HUGE Joy Division fan, I must say that New Order was so NOT Joy Division that it's like Human League minus Heaven 17. But to be fair, Blue Monday is a good piece of dance music, just that its romanticism is a bit ... artificial.

[sillysimms]

When I read the title to this thread, I was surprised...the years in the making album is actually finally going to be "officially" released. Although the album has apparently actually been complete since April, this album is actually one that might be a bit of a concern to pre-order :lol:

Anyways, especially loved Appetite for Destruction and Illusions 1 & 2. I've listened to some of the tracks from this one a while back and it's not the same band but I didn't hate it. I'll give it a listen when the final copy is released. Surprised it is finally being released...hmmm wonder if they'll tour without any incidents...

[g man]

interesting reading here

http://chinese-democracy.blogspot.com/2008/02/classic-rock-magazine-chinese-democracy.html

and here

http://chinese-democracy.blogspot.com/2008/02/classic-rock-article-part-two.html

[ScoFF]

Being a 32 year old and having listened to guns and roses when I was in the
7th grade I can honestly say I couldn't care less.
People my age don't buy too much music. The fan base that they should have cashed in on grew up. The majority of the music that people buy is made by the younger generation who don't even know who guns and roses are. They waited too long.
They can't even get back their fans because he does sound horrible. There's no incentive to buy or even listen to them let alone pay money for it.
Plus the fans that did give a crap downloaded it last year and found out it was worse than they imagined.

Horrible management.

P.S. No Slash? It just keeps getting worse. At least when they had buckethead it was amusing to see a guy in KFC hat.

[loggereh]

interesting reading here

http://chinese-democracy.blogspot.com/2008/02/classic-rock-magazine-chinese-democracy.html

and here

http://chinese-democracy.blogspot.com/2008/02/classic-rock-article-part-two.html

great read...especially the part about the crazy buckethead guitarist thinking he was a chicken cuz his dad was a rooster and mom was a hen....so they built a chicken coop for him to play guitar in...this sounds more like a freakshow than band... even axl knows after he releases this crap people are going to forget him forever...thats y he waited so many years just to remain a somebody.

[spazzamatic]

LOL finally the damn thing is coming out

i think i'll enjoy this more than Death Magnetic or any of VR's albums.

I can't wait to play DNF while listening to this cd.

:D

+1.. HAHAHA it's only PRE ORDER.. not technically OUT YET

[MasterXan]

er....

GnR would wipe the floor with Mayday and F.I.R. :D

It's kind of stupid to ask who is GNR or saying never heard of them (although I would render the guy some benefit of the doubt since the links were probably not there when he posted); HOWEVER, it's more shameful trying to bash China and the people from mainland China whenever one has even the most remote chance, like in a thread about rock music, esp. when he or she does not know a thing about the underground rock scene over there.

[Viper98]

great read...especially the part about the crazy buckethead guitarist thinking he was a chicken cuz his dad was a rooster and mom was a hen....so they built a chicken coop for him to play guitar in...this sounds more like a freakshow than band... even axl knows after he releases this crap people are going to forget him forever...thats y he waited so many years just to remain a somebody.

Buckethead isn't even in GNR anymore
he quit because they weren't putting the album out or touring anymore and was replaced with bumblefoot




with that said Buckethead is my personal favorite guitarist of all time. he makes slash look like some kid that just got his first $20 guitar from TRU

[redias]

Chinese has a rock band now, yes!!!!!!
http://blog.hku.nl/RTM-students/wp-content/%E9%98%B2%E6%9A%B4%E8%AD%A6%E5%AF%9F%E6%B5%B7%E5%9 C%B0%E5%B7%A1%E9%80%BB.jpghttp://tips.webdesign10.com/files/flowers/red-rose-black-background.jpg

[MACK_ARILLO]

But whatever, Axl needs money.

Not really.

Axl is swimming in $$


If Ax was doing this for the money he wouldn't have tinkered with this recording for 15 years.

[JAC]

with that said Buckethead is my personal favorite guitarist of all time. he makes slash look like some kid that just got his first $20 guitar from TRU

I wouldn't go that far, but Buckethead is damned good...

http://www.truveo.com/Slash-vs-Buckethead/id/3199985156

[Viper98]

I wouldn't go that far, but Buckethead is damned good...

http://www.truveo.com/Slash-vs-Buckethead/id/3199985156

what I meant by that statement was at a purely technical level. Buckethead is supremely above Slash... in the ranks of a Petrucci or Satch....

Slash is much more stylistic though which does work better for a band like GNR. which is why I also think Bumblefoot is a better fit for GNR as slashes replacement(wtf Robin Finck is doing there I don't know...)

[MasterXan]

so who's got the CD?

i went to the BB and FS website this morning and they were both sold out and no in-store checking available.

Any places selling it for less than 12.99?

[zod]

I bought it today from FS for 12.99. The CD's ok for an AXL rose solo project. Doesn't sound like GNR, but its growing on me a little bit.

Maybe its because there aren't many decent rock albums that come out anymore, that my standards have lowered?

I did see Guns N' replacements a year or two ago when they were in Edmonton. Regardless of Chinese Democracy it was a really good show, I guess AXL still knows to put on a live show.

[g man]

That is all.

http://blog.wired.com/music/2008/11/inside-the-uniq.html