FS - 10 Days of Deals

[canswim]

Oct 17 - 26

Day 1

Samsung - 40" 1080P - $1049

Sony 7.1 Channel A-V Receiver - $299

Dynex 8 Outlet Surge Protector - $69.99

[Psubs]

Ooooooh, I posted the Samsung deal in here.

http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/showthread.php?p=7575475&posted=1#post7575475

Maybe merge them? :confused:

[TheRide]

Links:

Samsung 40" 1080p LCD HDTV A550 - http://www.futureshop.ca/catalog/proddetail.asp?logon=&langid=EN&sku_id=0770HDS0010099946&catid=

Sony 7.1 Channel A/V Receiver STRDG820 - http://www.futureshop.ca/catalog/proddetail.asp?logon=&langid=EN&sku_id=0665000FS10107372&catid=

Dynex 8 Outlet Surge Protector - http://www.futureshop.ca/catalog/proddetail.asp?logon=&langid=EN&sku_id=0665000FS10100754&catid=

[Carisear]

is that sony receiver any good?

[ADRiiAN`]

is that sony receiver any good?

Don't do it.

Get a reciever with DTS HD and TrueHD, for future-proof.

[blakjak]

is that sony receiver any good?

It's a good receiver for the price. If you want to "future-proof" with features you may not need or ever use, be prepared to pay at least twice this price.


.and even then you'll never be "future-proof". There's no such thing :)

[bigsky2]

Don't do it.

Get a reciever with DTS HD and TrueHD, for future-proof.

The Sony STRDG820 decodes both DTS HD and TrueHD.

From: http://www.sonystyle.ca/commerce/servlet/ProductDetailDisplay?storeId=10001&catalogId=10001&langId=-1&productId=1005040


Decoding Formats

DTS HD / Dolby TrueHD / Dolby Digital +
LPCM (2CH / 5.1CH / 7.1CH) through HDMI
Dolby Digital / DTS
Dolby Digital EX
DTS-ES (MATRIX 6.1 / DISCRETE 6.1)
DTS 96/24
DTS NEO:6
Dolby Prologic
Dolby Prologic II, Dolby Prologic IIx
Dolby Dual Mono
96k / 24Bit PCM
Neural -THX Surround: 225, 227 only

For $299, this is a fairly good price for a 7.1 HDMI receiver with built in HD audio decoders.

[tokiwadai]

Will there be any PS3 deal?


Or better wait for the new PS3 (http://mdn.mainichi.jp/mdnnews/news/20081010p2a00m0na019000c.html)? :rolleyes:

[ASharp]

What's so special about this surge protector that makes it worth $70? :confused: It only has 8 outlets and it's Dynex for crying out loud. You can probably find a better brand with the same features for half the cost.

[brunes]

The DG-820 for $299 in Canada is an absolute steal. This is even better than most US prices for this unit. Has 4 HDMI inputs, does TrueHD and DTS-MA.

Note however, that this unit DOES NOT do video upscaling or upconversion to HDMI. If you need that best bet is to get the Onkyo TX-SR606, preferably somewhere in the US where you can find it for < $350.

[bigsky2]

The DG-820 for $299 in Canada is an absolute steal. This is even better than most US prices for this unit. Has 4 HDMI inputs, does TrueHD and DTS-MA.

Note however, that this unit DOES NOT do video upscaling or upconversion to HDMI. If you need that best bet is to get the Onkyo TX-SR606, preferably somewhere in the US where you can find it for < $350.

Good point with regards to the upscaling!

I was going to purchase the Onkyo 606, but it's just too expensive in Canada.
I don't want to deal with cross border shipping, so I think I'm going to pull the trigger on the Sony 820.

[Quentin]

Hoping for a deal on on an AppleTV (very doubtful)

[rtran25]

deal for laptop??

[tokiwadai]

What's so special about this surge protector that makes it worth $70? :confused: It only has 8 outlets and it's Dynex for crying out loud. You can probably find a better brand with the same features for half the cost.

Same question...

Better deal with Dell's Deal of BELKIN's 12-Outlet Surge Protector for $15.99.
That's one of the best surge protector. :cheesygri

[Ayrios]

Does this start right at midnight (if so which time zone?)?

Thanks.

[punchy_head]

My buddy just got an 820 and PS3. Sounds and looks great. The unit ships with a pink noise generator built in and external microphone to make setting up the surround a snap.

From what I heard it did a pretty good job.

At 299 this is a great deal. Will probably have to pull the trigger on this and move the Yamaha upstairs.

Punchy

[audit13]

The Sony receiver certainly looks good for the money. Hmmm, buy now as an early Christmas present for my friend or wait until closer to Dec 25? I'm torn because the price is good and the Onkyo 606 is $529 here: http://www.electronicsforless.ca/audio-3/amplifiers-receivers-13/onkyo-tx-sr606-7-1-channel-home-theater-receiver-with-hdmi-switc-937.html?zenid=u1fnqmnleh9j4r090jg91eknt7

[montward]

Does this Sony 7.1 Channel A/V Receiver STRDG820 require that you connect optical/coaxial for audio 5.1 surround output, or is it a true "one cable connection" via HDMI input for both 1080p video and 5.1 surround sound to pass through the HDMI connection :?:

I noticed it only has 3 optical digital connections and 1 coaxial connection.......

[ChocolateCocktail]

At what time does the sale start?

[mahjongmaniac]

What's so special about this surge protector that makes it worth $70? :confused: It only has 8 outlets and it's Dynex for crying out loud. You can probably find a better brand with the same features for half the cost.

you forgot this is FS's version of "Dell days"...

which means their "deals" are usually overpriced crap/refurb items... :cheesygri

[balcoboyz]

i hope they have a laptop on sale, i just got a $500 fs gift certificate and i need a new laptop, anyone suggest anything good?

[AlfredENewman]

i hope they have a laptop on sale, i just got a $500 fs gift certificate and i need a new laptop, anyone suggest anything good?

http://newsletter.futureshop.com/2008/dod/20081017/en/top.jpg

image shows a laptop :)

[cpoole]

BestBuy US has same surge protector for $44. Not at BestBuy Canada. Seems like a lame deal.

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp;jsessionid=0QUQXVFOXR0NBKC4D3FVAGQ?sku Id=8731438&st=DX-SP8CPBK&lp=1&type=product&cp=1&id=1201913279841

[j0yb0y]

Hoping for a deal on on an AppleTV (very doubtful)

dude, apple refurbs or craigslist. there isn't anything better (http://www.lowendmac.com/deals/best-apple-tv-prices.html).

ps> I'm running a mythtv frontend on one and its pretty good. xbmc has also been hacked to run on it.

[bigsky2]

Does this Sony 7.1 Channel A/V Receiver STRDG820 require that you connect optical/coaxial for audio 5.1 surround output, or is it a true "one cable connection" via HDMI input for both 1080p video and 5.1 surround sound to pass through the HDMI connection :?:

I noticed it only has 3 optical digital connections and 1 coaxial connection.......

It will depend on what device you are connecting to the Sony receiver.

It is a true "one cable" connection via HDMI if you are connecting it to a Blu-Ray/HD-DVD/DVD player or a PS3 as the receiver will process both video and audio signals from the device. It can handle video up to 1080p and will accept audio over HDMI. It has decoders for HD audio codecs (TrueHD, DTS-HD) in addition to being able to process PCM audio over HDMI.

If for some reason your Blu-Ray/HD-DVD player does not have built in decoders for TrueHD or DTS-HD, the receiver has built in decoders to handle these audio codecs. That way you can enjoy your HD content with HD audio too.

The speakers attached to the receiver will output the sound from the HDMI device accordingly, in either 5.1 or 7.1 depending your speaker setup.

For other devices such as STB/HDTV boxes that uses separate audio/video connectsions such as component/DVI and optical out, you will need to connect the digital optical audio for the audio output.

For a receiver in this price range, 3 x digital optical in & 1 x coaxial in is normal.

[ChocolateCocktail]

Is there any way to convert regular red/black speaker wires (going to the subwoofer) to the RCA subwoofer plug that this receiver requires?

[number8888]

This is the lowest price I've seen for any receiver that process HD audio signal. The 4 HDMI is a major plus. But down-sides includes: no upconversion for video, no conversion of analog/component signals to HDMI (for both video and audio), no pre-outs, no s-video, no 7.1 discreate audio in, no OSD.

Sony doesn't have a great reputation when it comes to sound quality, but this receivers seems to be decent though power might be weaker than indicated. I also think the front panel is kinda plain, but that's just me.

But you know what, 299 is still a great deal for a nicely-featured entry-level receiver. Probably will need to pay double the price for another receiver that can decode HD audio.

[number8888]

Is there any way to convert regular red/black speaker wires (going to the subwoofer) to the RCA subwoofer plug that this receiver requires?

These receivers requires an active (powered) subwoofer. What you got is a passive subwoofer that draws power from the receiver using the speaker wires just like the others and are generally fairly weak. An active subwoofer receives only the LFE signal from the receiver but draws power from its power supply. I assume you have a theater-in-a-box set of speakers and unfortunately you can't really use that with a standalone receiver.

[Siefer999]

http://newsletter.futureshop.com/2008/dod/20081017/en/top.jpg
image shows a laptop :)

looks like a toshiba. all their pics have the laptops in a similar angle. like this:
http://www.futureshop.ca/multimedia/products/large/10110058.jpg

[alextruong]

isn't supposed to be the samsung hdtv ? 40A550 for 1049$ ?

[Carisear]

sale started right at midnight pst!

i think i'm gonna pass on the receiver though -- i can wait for boxing week sales.

[krazynuck]

ok who is the person or persons who ordered the Sony Reciever from the Lansdowne or Bridgeport locations in Richmond!!!

had to order ISP for Vancouver location...will pick it up and see if i like it

[audit13]

Bought the Sony receiver for $300. I'll see how it compares to my Onkyo before deciding on whether to keep it as a gift for friend.

[S_G]

Seeing as how Canadians almost ALWAYS get ripped off when it comes to receivers, the DG820 for $299 is AMAZING. I haven't seen it that low except in the States, and when you do that you'll have to fork over a good extra $30-80 for shipping (depending on where you buy it from).

4 HDMI in (supports 1080p/24 as well)
FM / AM / XM radio
3 composite in
3 component in
3 optical in
1 digital coax in
1 Sony Digital Media port
5 RCA stereo in (2 of which are not assigned to a composite input)

Supports LPCM, DTS-HD MA and TrueHD over HDMI. While Sony's low-end receivers are not renowned for their audio output quality in comparison to receivers from their competitors, you will NOT find any other entry-level receiver in this price range with these features.

[montward]

It will depend on what device you are connecting to the Sony receiver.

It is a true "one cable" connection via HDMI if you are connecting it to a Blu-Ray/HD-DVD/DVD player or a PS3 as the receiver will process both video and audio signals from the device. It can handle video up to 1080p and will accept audio over HDMI. It has decoders for HD audio codecs (TrueHD, DTS-HD) in addition to being able to process PCM audio over HDMI.

If for some reason your Blu-Ray/HD-DVD player does not have built in decoders for TrueHD or DTS-HD, the receiver has built in decoders to handle these audio codecs. That way you can enjoy your HD content with HD audio too.

The speakers attached to the receiver will output the sound from the HDMI device accordingly, in either 5.1 or 7.1 depending your speaker setup.

For other devices such as STB/HDTV boxes that uses separate audio/video connectsions such as component/DVI and optical out, you will need to connect the digital optical audio for the audio output.

For a receiver in this price range, 3 x digital optical in & 1 x coaxial in is normal.


Thanks bigsky2.......you provided a very informative & comprehensive response to my question ...I have multiple devices that I would like to input to this receiver. I have an HD DVD & 2 1080p upconverting SDVD players and currently my Pioneer receiver only has two HDMI inputs and no HDMI audio support. As I only have 2 HDMI connections on my present receiver, I have one upconverting DVD player connected via component connection and two other devices are connected via HDMI and for audio, all are connected to either the optical or coaxial audio digital inputs. So that was why my concern to whether this Sony receiver provides audio support for both 5.1 and 7.1 through HDMI without having to connect the players to HDMI and optical/coaxial for audio.

I am still debating whether I should get this Sony receiver just to simplify my audio inputs and also have 4 HDMI inputs that pass video/audio rather than just two HDMI inputs that pass video only.

Appreciate your help again bigsky2

[brunes]

Thanks bigsky2.......you provided a very informative & comprehensive response to my question ...I have multiple devices that I would like to input to this receiver. I have an HD DVD & 2 1080p upconverting SDVD players and currently my Pioneer receiver only has two HDMI inputs and no HDMI audio support. As I only have 2 HDMI connections on my present receiver, I have one upconverting DVD player connected via component connection and two other devices are connected via HDMI and for audio, all are connected to either the optical or coaxial audio digital inputs. So that was why my concern to whether this Sony receiver provides audio support for both 5.1 and 7.1 through HDMI without having to connect the players to HDMI and optical/coaxial for audio.

I am still debating whether I should get this Sony receiver just to simplify my audio inputs and also have 4 HDMI inputs that pass video/audio rather than just two HDMI inputs that pass video only.

Appreciate your help again bigsky2

If all your devices upscale to 1080p over HDMI already then it should work great for you.

Worst case is you bring it home and it doesn't sound good and you return it, right? It is just Future Shop after all, they will take it back no questions asked within 30 days.

[ChocolateCocktail]

Receiver prices seem to be plummeting. It was just a couple weeks ago that we saw the Sony STRDG720 for sale at <$200 (same specs as the STRDG820, just one less HDMI port and missing lossles codec support).

[taran420]

does anyone know anythign about Lacie's external hard drives, they have the 500GB for 90$

thanks

[grantz]

Ordered the receiver for pick-up, thanks OP!
Like someone else mentioned, can always return it if not happy...

[boonjaca]

The Sony receiver certainly looks good for the money. Hmmm, buy now as an early Christmas present for my friend or wait until closer to Dec 25? I'm torn because the price is good and the Onkyo 606 is $529 here: http://www.electronicsforless.ca/audio-3/amplifiers-receivers-13/onkyo-tx-sr606-7-1-channel-home-theater-receiver-with-hdmi-switc-937.html?zenid=u1fnqmnleh9j4r090jg91eknt7

I'm torn over this decision too, the extra $220 is almost another receiver but does the performance justify the extra money??

[darth wolf]

I'm torn over this decision too, the extra $220 is almost another receiver but does the performance justify the extra money??


How does both of these compare to the Pioneer receiver for 499.99 at the BB 3 day sale?

[clboy]

Initially bought the Sony DG-820 from Bestbuy about 4 months ago to replace my Yamaha HTR-5860, even though it was rated at a higher wattage than my 4 year old Yamaha it didn't sound as loud or as clear, ultimately I decided to step up and get a Denon 3808CI instead and have been happy since. oh and I paid around $350 at the time as well for the Sony. IMO wait and grab something down in the US if it's an option to you on Black Friday.

[number8888]

How does both of these compare to the Pioneer receiver for 499.99 at the BB 3 day sale?

Do you mean the 1018TXV?

It really depends on what you need. The 1018 has many more features but not all of them might be useful to you. The 1080 can upconvert analog to 1080p HDMI, has discreate 7.1 input, has preouts, and front inputs. The 820 does have one more HDMI however.

Also, the Pioneer might have better sound quality, but the Sony should be able to handle the average game/movie.

[bigsky2]

Thanks bigsky2.......you provided a very informative & comprehensive response to my question ...I have multiple devices that I would like to input to this receiver. I have an HD DVD & 2 1080p upconverting SDVD players and currently my Pioneer receiver only has two HDMI inputs and no HDMI audio support. As I only have 2 HDMI connections on my present receiver, I have one upconverting DVD player connected via component connection and two other devices are connected via HDMI and for audio, all are connected to either the optical or coaxial audio digital inputs. So that was why my concern to whether this Sony receiver provides audio support for both 5.1 and 7.1 through HDMI without having to connect the players to HDMI and optical/coaxial for audio.

You're very welcome. I'm glad my post helped you.

From the sounds it, the Sony receiver will be able to satisfy your needs as it accepts audio over HDMI whereas your current receiver does not. I ran into this problem a week ago when I bought an entry level Yamaha (HTR-6130) receiver only to discover that it did not accept audio over HDMI. It sometimes requires a little digging to find out which HDMI receivers can accept audio over HDMI.

As someone else already pointed out, one drawback to this Sony receiver is that it does not upcovert video to 1080p. But since your sources are all in 1080p or upcovered to 1080p, this should not be a concern.

I am still debating whether I should get this Sony receiver just to simplify my audio inputs and also have 4 HDMI inputs that pass video/audio rather than just two HDMI inputs that pass video only.

Appreciate your help again bigsky2

Future Shop has a pretty solid return policy, so I think it would be okay to buy the receiver at a great price, try it, and evaluate your experience.

[bigsky2]

ok who is the person or persons who ordered the Sony Reciever from the Lansdowne or Bridgeport locations in Richmond!

I only bought one, and it was from Landsdowne :-0
Bridgeport was OOS or N/A when I was checking stock :idea:

[Derek]

Thanks and posted!

http://www.redflagdeals.com/deals/main.php/alldeals/comments/future_shop_10_days_of_deals_day_october_2008

[ES_Revenge]

The DG-820 for $299 in Canada is an absolute steal. This is even better than most US prices for this unit. Has 4 HDMI inputs, does TrueHD and DTS-MA.

It is a great price for the features you get as you (and others) have mentioned... But it's only an 18lb receiver, so you are getting what you pay for. Sure the reg price is up there at $499 but I don't think it's worth more than $300 anyway.

Also I dunno if I really trust Sony DG level receivers. In fact even most of the newer ES models, I'm not impressed with the build quality of them.

I'd still take the DG820 + a decent set of speakers over pretty much any HTIB though, so if someone is trying to decide going HTIB or using this receiver as a base for a separates system, definitely go with this. There's no way on earth this is doing 110W x 7/20-20k/all-channels-driven, no, but nearly all the manufacturers do the "1xxW x Y ch" nonsense anyway so no difference there.

[darth wolf]

Do you mean the 1018TXV?

It really depends on what you need. The 1018 has many more features but not all of them might be useful to you. The 1080 can upconvert analog to 1080p HDMI, has discreate 7.1 input, has preouts, and front inputs. The 820 does have one more HDMI however.

Also, the Pioneer might have better sound quality, but the Sony should be able to handle the average game/movie.

Thanks for the info.

[krazynuck]

I only bought one, and it was from Landsdowne :-0
Bridgeport was OOS or N/A when I was checking stock :idea:

ahhh

well by the time i ordered it from the rest of the Vancouver locations sold out... :( well alteast the ones close to me

so i jsut ordered it to be shipped

[jhuynh]

Anyone know how big the box is for the receiver? Not sure if I wanna walk this home or not. From this pic it looks pretty big.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=14007255#post14007255

[blin123]

That $70 surge protector price makes me want to barf. FS is a joke if they think that's a deal.

[mxz600]

Whats the point of 7.1, nothing is recorded in 7.1! NOTHING!

so what you got 4 rear speakers really, or either that the reciver smears the front and rear sound to the side speakers.

Can anybody else see a point... besides bla bla bla futureproof talk.

[Ahzuz]

just bought the last Sony 820 at my local FS.

[Bordak]

Whats the point of 7.1, nothing is recorded in 7.1! NOTHING!

so what you got 4 rear speakers really, or either that the reciver smears the front and rear sound to the side speakers.

Can anybody else see a point... besides bla bla bla futureproof talk.

List of BluRay releases with a 7.1 track.

http://www.blu-raystats.com/Stats/Stats.php?OrderBy=Audio&Audio=7.1

It's limited, but they do exist.

[montward]

If all your devices upscale to 1080p over HDMI already then it should work great for you.

Worst case is you bring it home and it doesn't sound good and you return it, right? It is just Future Shop after all, they will take it back no questions asked within 30 days.

You're very welcome. I'm glad my post helped you.

From the sounds it, the Sony receiver will be able to satisfy your needs as it accepts audio over HDMI whereas your current receiver does not. I ran into this problem a week ago when I bought an entry level Yamaha (HTR-6130) receiver only to discover that it did not accept audio over HDMI. It sometimes requires a little digging to find out which HDMI receivers can accept audio over HDMI.

As someone else already pointed out, one drawback to this Sony receiver is that it does not upcovert video to 1080p. But since your sources are all in 1080p or upcovered to 1080p, this should not be a concern.



Future Shop has a pretty solid return policy, so I think it would be okay to buy the receiver at a great price, try it, and evaluate your experience.

Some great advice ....I took the plunge and picked up the Sony 820 receiver tonight at my local FS ...will try to set it up sometime over the weekend....thanks for all the advice brunes/bigsky2....it looks like a great deal to me !! You are correct bigsky2 when you say you have to do a little digging re the HDMI capability of receivers ...that is absolute ....I believe at the time when I purchased my Pioneer receiver, they didn't have receivers that could pass and decode 5.1 audio via HDMI, only video and my receiver is 1080p upconversion which at the time was the selling point............so now, I just need to compare the sound quality of this Sony 820 to my current Pioneer VSX-1016 receiver and go from there. :)

[crashz]

Here's a question. I have an Xbox 360, would I still need to hook up the hdmi cable AND the TOSlink for the surround? Or is the HMDI cable by itself fine?

[JWL]

Here's a question. I have an Xbox 360, would I still need to hook up the hdmi cable AND the TOSlink for the surround? Or is the HMDI cable by itself fine?

It has audio decoding so you would just need an HDMI cable.

Ordered one for pickup.

[bigsky2]

Picked up my receiver from Landsdowne this afternoon.

On the hunt for a new set of speakers to pair with it :cheesygri

[Ahzuz]

On the hunt for a new set of speakers to pair with it :cheesygri

Same here, anyone has any ideas ?

[laptop-tech]

is that sony receiver any good?



NO !


Save your money and buy something decent.

[Ahzuz]

NO !


Save your money and buy something decent.

Are you kidding me ?
I'm no Sony fan either but for that price you CAN'T go wrong.

[laptop-tech]

Are you kidding me ?
I'm no Sony fan either but for that price you CAN'T go wrong.


and that is based on what ? the name SONY ?

if you want decent audio, buy a receiver from an AUDIO brand. HK, Yamaha, Onkyo, etc.

If a receiver had ALL the exact same features but an INSIGNIA tag in front of it, no one would even consider it. But since its "a Sony", it must be good, right ?

I love when people go to the store and buy an absurdly overprice Sony htib "wireless dream machine" for only $ 899.99, regular price $ 1399.99.

Sigh.

[audit13]

and that is based on what ? the name SONY ?

if you want decent audio, buy a receiver from an AUDIO brand. HK, Yamaha, Onkyo, etc.

If a receiver had ALL the exact same features but an INSIGNIA tag in front of it, no one would even consider it. But since its "a Sony", it must be good, right ?

I love when people go to the store and buy an absurdly overprice Sony htib "wireless dream machine" for only $ 899.99, regular price $ 1399.99.

Sigh.
Is it really that bad for the price? Have you tested the receiver in your system? I purchased this receiver for a second system in my master bedroom but I haven't opened it yet.

[Kongee]

wow..so many ppl saying its not good..but guess what..its sold out!!!

[gheart008]

Will there be any PS3 deal?


Or better wait for the new PS3 (http://mdn.mainichi.jp/mdnnews/news/20081010p2a00m0na019000c.html)? :rolleyes:

Nothing special with the "new" model, just a larger harddrive. But 2.5 HDD are dirt cheap now so you're be better trying to find a 40GB model and swap the HDD with a 250GB or even a 320GB.

[Liko]

I bought one of the Sony receivers myself. I know little about home audio, but for the price it seemed like a good option for me.

[Makaveli the Don]

PS3 Guitar Hero 3 will be $49.99 on day 4 [If I'm not mistaken about the date]

[pysik]

day 2 is up

Sandisk Sansa Clip 2GB MP3 Player (http://www.futureshop.ca/catalog/proddetail.asp?sku_id=0665000FS10094036&langid=en) 49.99
Kensington Universal FM Transmitter (http://www.futureshop.ca/catalog/proddetail.asp?sku_id=0665000FS10077120&langid=en) 29.99
Pioneer In-Dash Multimedia Player (http://www.futureshop.ca/catalog/proddetail.asp?sku_id=0665000FS10099471&langid=en) 369.99

[tokiwadai]

PS3 Guitar Hero 3 will be $49.99 on day 4 [If I'm not mistaken about the date]

How abt the console? Any info?
Thx in adv.

[number8888]

and that is based on what ? the name SONY ?

if you want decent audio, buy a receiver from an AUDIO brand. HK, Yamaha, Onkyo, etc.

If a receiver had ALL the exact same features but an INSIGNIA tag in front of it, no one would even consider it. But since its "a Sony", it must be good, right ?

I love when people go to the store and buy an absurdly overprice Sony htib "wireless dream machine" for only $ 899.99, regular price $ 1399.99.

Sigh.

I agree but any 299 receiver with Dolby TrueHD / DTS-MA decoding is indeed a great price. Of course anyone that cares about sound would go for HK or Yamaha but they are at least double the price.

[audit13]

I agree but any 299 receiver with Dolby TrueHD / DTS-MA decoding is indeed a great price. Of course anyone that cares about sound would go for HK or Yamaha but they are at least double the price.

I'm curious what you're using for as your ht equipment. For a long time, I was watching movies in "stereo" mode only.

[bunyan69]

PS3 Guitar Hero 3 will be $49.99 on day 4 [If I'm not mistaken about the date]

Is this the game alone or does it include the guitar?

[Adabisi]

I agree but any 299 receiver with Dolby TrueHD / DTS-MA decoding is indeed a great price. Of course anyone that cares about sound would go for HK or Yamaha but they are at least double the price.

When you're shopping for a receiver, pay attention to features (HDMI inputs, HD Audio, multi zone, etc) and nothing else. Maybe brand name if you're worried about reliability.

If you care about sound, focus on speakers and room acoustics. Receivers do nothing to help or hurt sound other than the features they have or lack.

A $299 Sony receiver pumping out DTS MA will sound just like a $2000 receiver pumping out DTS MA out of the same speakers.

If you think I'm wrong, go collect $10,000:

http://www.tom-morrow-land.com/tests/ampchall/index.htm

[kingrukus]

When you're shopping for a receiver, pay attention to features (HDMI inputs, HD Audio, multi zone, etc) and nothing else. Maybe brand name if you're worried about reliability.

If you care about sound, focus on speakers and room acoustics. Receivers do nothing to help or hurt sound other than the features they have or lack.

A $299 Sony receiver pumping out DTS MA will sound just like a $2000 receiver pumping out DTS MA out of the same speakers.

If you think I'm wrong, go collect $10,000:

http://www.tom-morrow-land.com/tests/ampchall/index.htm

power ratings sometimes vary by mfr. sony is known to overrate their product when it comes to power output, whiles higher priced, better quality units typically are spot on or even underrate (denon, nak, etc).

sound wise, they will all sound the same up to a certain db, and past that level and quality brand ones will definitely sound better (i.e. less distortion, clipping, etc).

[Formula1]

Didn't someone say that there would be a 60 Hz TV everyday? There's none today. Must've been BS'ing.

[vladislav]

When you're shopping for a receiver, pay attention to features (HDMI inputs, HD Audio, multi zone, etc) and nothing else. Maybe brand name if you're worried about reliability.

If you care about sound, focus on speakers and room acoustics. Receivers do nothing to help or hurt sound other than the features they have or lack.

A $299 Sony receiver pumping out DTS MA will sound just like a $2000 receiver pumping out DTS MA out of the same speakers.

If you think I'm wrong, go collect $10,000:

http://www.tom-morrow-land.com/tests/ampchall/index.htm

Voice of reason, all those people flaunting brand names and saying how the sound 'quality' is so much better have no clue about sound. If power output is enough for your needs then features are all that matters. This receiver is amazing for 300$. As Adabisi said room acoustics and speakers will make all the difference in sound, not receiver.

[canaboi]

just bought the last Sony 820 at my local FS.

I just missed this deal. $300 for Sony 820 seems like a good deal. Would this kind of deals come back?

[kuri]

and that is based on what ? the name SONY ?

if you want decent audio, buy a receiver from an AUDIO brand. HK, Yamaha, Onkyo, etc.

If a receiver had ALL the exact same features but an INSIGNIA tag in front of it, no one would even consider it. But since its "a Sony", it must be good, right ?

I love when people go to the store and buy an absurdly overprice Sony htib "wireless dream machine" for only $ 899.99, regular price $ 1399.99.

Sigh.

What is a better receiver that you'd recommend for the same price? I put down an order for this and it's awaiting stock, so I can cancel if there is something better for the same price. :)

[pham12h]

I would advise against this amp.. check out what this user had to say


"Well I just received my Sony STR-DG820 from the courier this morning and I've hit a MAJOR snag with it - which as usual, once I'd seen the problem myself, I find there are also other forum posts which highlight the issue - which is...

It is impossible to force the selection of the Optical Audio Inputs, when watching a HDMI video source.

This means you can't get any Digital Audio from a SkyHD or BT Vision Box :-( and I have both.

As soon as you switch to the Video Input using HDMI it expects Digital audio via HDMI (you can force the audio input to be via analogue), but not via the Coax or Optical Digital inputs.

Until Sony fix this issue I think Onkyo can rest easy with their 606.

I have no other alternative but to ship the unit back. Beware what HDMI sources you intend to connect up!!!"



-- Hhehe.. glad I bought that Denon AVr-688 when it was 279 on sale.. denon, a name you can trust, sounds amazing.

ps- that comment about a cheap amp and a 2000$ amp sounding the same is absurd.. the only sound a cheap amp can put out is clips and cackles when it tries to push more power than even half of what its rated at.

[AlfredENewman]

http://img376.imageshack.us/img376/5954/fsdeal3jx0.png

[Makaveli the Don]

Is this the game alone or does it include the guitar?

The PS3 bundle [One Game & One Guitar]

How abt the console? Any info?
Thx in adv.

No deals on the PS3 or 360 or Wii for the life of the sale.

[tokiwadai]

The PS3 bundle [One Game & One Guitar]

No deals on the PS3 or 360 or Wii for the life of the sale.

How much is the bundle?
I got my PS3 console alrdy $399, can I still get price protection by just getting the rest of the bundle (Game & Guitar)?

Thx...

[audit13]

I purchased the 820 and it sounds pretty good after it's had a chance to warm up. From a cold start, the sound is kind of thin. It'll be used with only hdmi sources (Rogers 4250, PS3, and Oppo) so sound via optical and video via hdmi isn't a problem.

[vladislav]

I would advise against this amp.. check out what this user had to say


"Well I just received my Sony STR-DG820 from the courier this morning and I've hit a MAJOR snag with it - which as usual, once I'd seen the problem myself, I find there are also other forum posts which highlight the issue - which is...

It is impossible to force the selection of the Optical Audio Inputs, when watching a HDMI video source.

This means you can't get any Digital Audio from a SkyHD or BT Vision Box :-( and I have both.

As soon as you switch to the Video Input using HDMI it expects Digital audio via HDMI (you can force the audio input to be via analogue), but not via the Coax or Optical Digital inputs.

Until Sony fix this issue I think Onkyo can rest easy with their 606.

I have no other alternative but to ship the unit back. Beware what HDMI sources you intend to connect up!!!"



-- Hhehe.. glad I bought that Denon AVr-688 when it was 279 on sale.. denon, a name you can trust, sounds amazing.

ps- that comment about a cheap amp and a 2000$ amp sounding the same is absurd.. the only sound a cheap amp can put out is clips and cackles when it tries to push more power than even half of what its rated at.

Yes, you obviously have to know what you are buying, all my sources are pure HDMI so that's a non-issue.

ps. yes but up to that point they sound identical. So if you are not making a movie theater to blast sound at major volumes there will be no difference. There's research to prove that amp doesn't matter (obviously up to the point of saturating it), there's no research to prove otherwise. It's just like cables, some people just sleep easier with a brand name and 'audiophile' quality.

[donye]

How is the sony receiver?
I can still cancel my online order.

[vladislav]

What is a better receiver that you'd recommend for the same price? I put down an order for this and it's awaiting stock, so I can cancel if there is something better for the same price. :)

There is none in Canada at that price point.

[audit13]

There is none in Canada at that price point.

+1. I was also looking for a receiver for system to be used in my bedroom and the Sony was the cheapest I could find with TrueHD/DTS-MA decoding. I was about to pull the trigger on the Onkyo 606 for $530 before taxes but the Sony 820 was $230 cheaper. I could put the money I saved towards a cheap BD player.

[ChocolateCocktail]

I'm wondering as to what the big deal about TrueHD/DTS-MA is?

Afaik, there are no HD cable/satellite boxes that support it. There's no PC audio/video cards (nor software) that support it so you can't use it with your media center.

Is it just the BluRay players then? Considering how cheap the receiver is and how high the resale value on receivers is, I'm rather just sell it a few years down the road and upgrade later (if the need arises).

[synmag]

When you're shopping for a receiver, pay attention to features (HDMI inputs, HD Audio, multi zone, etc) and nothing else. Maybe brand name if you're worried about reliability.

If you care about sound, focus on speakers and room acoustics. Receivers do nothing to help or hurt sound other than the features they have or lack.

A $299 Sony receiver pumping out DTS MA will sound just like a $2000 receiver pumping out DTS MA out of the same speakers.

If you think I'm wrong, go collect $10,000:

http://www.tom-morrow-land.com/tests/ampchall/index.htm

I don't think, I know you are wrong. You are right in that the speakers are the most important part of an audio system because if you have crap speakers they will sound like crap no matter how good an amp you hook up to them. But If you have good speakers an amp will definintely make a difference you can hear. Having recently upgraded my receiver with a separate power amp and then replacing the receiver with a preamp I clearly heard the difference each time.

I haven't taken this test so I don't know if I could tell the difference 24 times switching back and fourth but I suspect this has more to do with tricking the ear like the test that can trick your taste buds. If you are given various drinks at the same temparature you can't tell what you are drinking after the first few samples yet you wouldn't say that coffee/orange juice/milk etc taste the same, right?

I think most people in this group considering a $300 receiver probably will use it with $300 speakers in which case it will suite them just fine. In HT and audio ignorance is bliss. Until you have heard a higher end system an inexpensive one will sound great to you.

If you don't know about amplifiers/receivers the best way to compare them is by weight. The power source has a huge effect on sound quality and higher end amps will weigh a lot. My amp weighs almost 50Lbs. Whe I lifted one of these sub $400 receivers at Costco they can't weigh more than 10-15Lbs. The other indicator is price.

Cheers

[jsecool]

Any reviews on the kitchen aid mixer?

[audit13]

I don't think, I know you are wrong. You are right in that the speakers are the most important part of an audio system because if you have crap speakers they will sound like crap no matter how good an amp you hook up to them. But If you have good speakers an amp will definintely make a difference you can hear. Having recently upgraded my receiver with a separate power amp and then replacing the receiver with a preamp I clearly heard the difference each time.

I haven't taken this test so I don't know if I could tell the difference 24 times switching back and fourth but I suspect this has more to do with tricking the ear like the test that can trick your taste buds. If you are given various drinks at the same temparature you can't tell what you are drinking after the first few samples yet you wouldn't say that coffee/orange juice/milk etc taste the same, right?

I think most people in this group considering a $300 receiver probably will use it with $300 speakers in which case it will suite them just fine. In HT and audio ignorance is bliss. Until you have heard a higher end system an inexpensive one will sound great to you.

If you don't know about amplifiers/receivers the best way to compare them is by weight. The power source has a huge effect on sound quality and higher end amps will weigh a lot. My amp weighs almost 50Lbs. Whe I lifted one of these sub $400 receivers at Costco they can't weigh more than 10-15Lbs. The other indicator is price.

Cheers

I have compared the Sony receiver in "stereo mode" with my Bryston 1b and Hafler dh200, Energy rc30s, Thiel cs-01,no-name 12 gauge speaker cable, Magnum ft101, and Sony ES cd player. I can definitely say that the Bryston/Hafler sounds better than the Sony 820 but I can't really say that the Sony isn't worth $300. At that price, I think it's a great deal for the features you get.

What pre/power combo are you using?

Edit: Yes, I know my equipment is old but it's been bullet-proof for all these years:)

[CameraBill]

When you're shopping for a receiver, pay attention to features (HDMI inputs, HD Audio, multi zone, etc) and nothing else. Maybe brand name if you're worried about reliability.

If you care about sound, focus on speakers and room acoustics. Receivers do nothing to help or hurt sound other than the features they have or lack.

A $299 Sony receiver pumping out DTS MA will sound just like a $2000 receiver pumping out DTS MA out of the same speakers.

If you think I'm wrong, go collect $10,000:

http://www.tom-morrow-land.com/tests/ampchall/index.htm

Little bit of over simplification. The amplifier is an integral part of the audio reproductio chain. The speaker/amp interaction is crucial ie a quality amp can drive a speaker with awful impedence. Note - a speaker with awful impedence does not mean an awful sounding speaker.

This site quoted appears to me to be an excercise in equalizing the setup to be equally poor. Like filtering a solid state amp to sound like a tube amp? Come on. That's like having a race between a ferrari and a ford but the ferrari has to run with 4 flat tires.

Did you see this test condition?

9. That neither amp has excessive physical noise or other indicators that can be observed by the listener.

Isn't that what you're paying for when you buy an amp? One that DOESN'T have excessive physical noise?

Those things he says that must be matched are what you're paying for in the amp. Edit: it's like a quarter mile race between a ferrari and a ford. They'll start the race running at 50k/h and cannot exceed 50k/h. Who's gonna win?

You pay to push the pedal to the metal.

[Bordak]

Any reviews on the kitchen aid mixer?

My girlfriend is a chef and finds the model on sale excellent for home use. (majority of cooking is for the 2 of us, occasionally for 5 if we have company). I mention she is a chef because she works with ~$4000 mixers all day at work, and has a lot of hands on experience with this model. We bought it last Boxing Day, when they had the red, green, and blue models on sale for $149.

http://www.futureshop.ca/catalog/proddetail.asp?logon=&langid=EN&sku_id=0665000FS10046373&catid=

[number8888]

Yeah the Sony has issues, which I have stated in a previous post. But people on RFD would care about the deal first, and at 299 the Sony is a good deal. Not everybody can spend thousands of dollars on HT equipment.

I myself only has a Pioneer 1018 with a set of Athena Micra 6. It's perfect for my condo and I am happy with it. I would want higher-end stuff if I move to a house with dedicated HT room, but I can't even considered that for now.

I am recommending it only on its price for the features it has, not simply because it's a "Sony". I actually don't like Sony's overpriced products in general.

[number8888]

How is the sony receiver?
I can still cancel my online order.

Check the features (or lack thereof) on the Sony and determine if you care about them. The 4 HDMI inputs and HD audio decoders are really the only good points for the 820. The sound quality is mediocre and it's underpowered. But it can still do well in a small to medium size room.


I'm wondering as to what the big deal about TrueHD/DTS-MA is?

Afaik, there are no HD cable/satellite boxes that support it. There's no PC audio/video cards (nor software) that support it so you can't use it with your media center.

Is it just the BluRay players then? Considering how cheap the receiver is and how high the resale value on receivers is, I'm rather just sell it a few years down the road and upgrade later (if the need arises).


Right, currently the only thing that outputs Dolby TrueHD/DTS-MA are BD players (not including the PS3 that converts them to LPCM to HDMI), but they are there for future proofing. But since the 820 has no pre-amp outputs you can't even hook up external amps, should you want to improve the sound later.

I doubt you can re-sell the 820 for anything decent. The resale market is pretty much only restricted to the high-end.

[audit13]

Check the features (or lack thereof) on the Sony and determine if you care about them. The 4 HDMI inputs and HD audio decoders are really the only good points for the 820. The sound quality is mediocre and it's underpowered. But it can still do well in a small to medium size room.....
What did you use to evaluate the Sony's sound quality? Just curious.

[Cyanne]

Any reviews on the kitchen aid mixer?

I LOVE the Kitchenaid mixer that I got 6 or 7 years ago! I think mine is a more powerful unit than the one on sale though (I spent somewhere in the neighborhood of $350 on it, and never regretted it.) I'll leave comments on this particular model to others. But in general, I love that when I'm mixing something I can just toss in ingredients and walk away, knowing the mixer will do it's thing while I prepare the next step. I also have an array of attachments for it. The machine is STURDY. It take a real effort to move it. So I expect shipping is not incredibly cheap... Picking it up in store is preferable.

[Bordak]

The machine is STURDY. It take a real effort to move it. So I expect shipping is not incredibly cheap... Picking it up in store is preferable.

$9 by ground, $60 by air to Newfoundland.

[Ruciz]

The STRDG820 is a very good receiver for its price. it sounds a lot better than the HTIB at nearly the same price..

Only downside I can find is mentioned - the HDMI in is HDMI in completely, no digital/coaxial audio alternative.. The porting option don't function with HDMI inputs.. does with component/composite.

As for its features of 4 HDMI in, just that switch alone would run you a solid $100...

[Bordak]

As for its features of 4 HDMI in, just that switch alone would run you a solid $100...

$36.99 USD with 9.66 shipping.


http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=101&cp_id=10110&cs_id=1011002&p_id=4088&seq=1&format=2

[Kongee]

i have a small room and need to buy 2 front speakers for the receiver.

i was thinking bose because its small but i dont know which ones.

what do you guys recommend? i need something as small as the bose ones.

[Adabisi]

i have a small room and need to buy 2 front speakers for the receiver.

i was thinking bose because its small but i dont know which ones.

what do you guys recommend? i need something as small as the bose ones.

Pretty much anything other than Bose.

Even these:

http://www.thesource.ca/estore/product.aspx?language=en-CA&catalog=Online&category=Book+Shelf+Speakers&product=4018175

OK, that's a bit of an exaggeration, but if you need something small, these will beat Bose any day:

http://www.futureshop.ca/marketing/clearance/EN/proddetailpc.asp?sku_id=0665000FS10087360&catid=10552&PCName=Clearance&logon=&langid=EN

[montward]

Well, I finally had the chance to hook up my new Sony STRDG820 receiver tonight .....a BIG disappointment.

The whole reason I purchased this Sony receiver, was to expand my HDMI ports from 2 to 4 and to simply audio connections.

My existing receiver had 2 HDMI ports in and one out to TV and it passes video only. so each HDMI input had to have an assignable optical/coaxial audio out for 5.1 audio output sound.

The first disappointment with this Sony STRDG820 was the HDMI audio pass/conversion ....I have an RCA 56" Digital projection 1080i TV with DVI input so I run an HDMI to DVI conversion cable to my RCA TV from my receiver.

The Sony is supposed to pass video & audio through HDMI so I just assumed that the HDMI to DVI conversion cable would continue to transfer the video at 1080i and that when the receiver received the HDMI signal from the HD DVD player and my two other SDVD upconversion players that the audio would automatically "feed" into the receiver and output in appropriate sound (ie 5.1 etc.) ....well, when I tried to play a movie, I got great video but no audio. Turns out the Sony receiver cannot "retrieve" the audio because of the HDMI to DVI conversion for video ? Huh, why would that affect the audio if it's going through the receiver first ? So that is my first disappointment in this Sony receiver.

The second, and it may be related to the HDMI to DVI issue, but I thought this Sony receiver would "autoselect" which ever player is turned on and autorecognize which input to place the Sony receiver.....this feature did not seem to work ? (Sony calls this "Active Intelligence") :mad:

Unless anyone has any suggestions for a workaround for this, my Sony STRDG820 is going back to Future Shop

Thanks

[synmag]

I have compared the Sony receiver in "stereo mode" with my Bryston 1b and Hafler dh200, Energy rc30s, Thiel cs-01,no-name 12 gauge speaker cable, Magnum ft101, and Sony ES cd player. I can definitely say that the Bryston/Hafler sounds better than the Sony 820 but I can't really say that the Sony isn't worth $300. At that price, I think it's a great deal for the features you get.

What pre/power combo are you using?

Edit: Yes, I know my equipment is old but it's been bullet-proof for all these years:)

Old doesn't mean bad. To beat Bryston you have to spend several times the price but you already knew that. I have the Rotel RMB-1075 with Emotiva LMC-1 pre/pro temporarily while the new version with full HDMI and new decoders is out. They are driving B&W Nautilus 805s and htm2.

[Kongee]

Pretty much anything other than Bose.

Even these:

http://www.thesource.ca/estore/product.aspx?language=en-CA&catalog=Online&category=Book+Shelf+Speakers&product=4018175

OK, that's a bit of an exaggeration, but if you need something small, these will beat Bose any day:

http://www.futureshop.ca/marketing/clearance/EN/proddetailpc.asp?sku_id=0665000FS10087360&catid=10552&PCName=Clearance&logon=&langid=EN




thanks...anything smaller?

[audit13]

Old doesn't mean bad. To beat Bryston you have to spend several times the price but you already knew that. I have the Rotel RMB-1075 with Emotiva LMC-1 pre/pro temporarily while the new version with full HDMI and new decoders is out. They are driving B&W Nautilus 805s and htm2.

I'm very jealous right now>:( I wish I could afford a top-notch sound system but I just finished renovating my house:)

[audit13]

thanks...anything smaller?

Those rc-mini speakers are very tiny. Based on speakers that I have tested, too small can result in less than full sound.

[Drew_W]

A $299 Sony receiver pumping out DTS MA will sound just like a $2000 receiver pumping out DTS MA out of the same speakers.

If you think I'm wrong, go collect $10,000:

http://www.tom-morrow-land.com/tests/ampchall/index.htm

This is pure garbage. What he's banking on is nothing to do with the amps and purely how the brain works. Continual A/B comparisons will cause you to begin doubting yourself and second guessing. You'll get confused and will never pass the challenge. This doesn't take anything away from the fact that a good receiver sounds better than a bad one. That's that.

[Drew_W]

To beat Bryston you have to spend several times the price but you already knew that.

Or less. I particularly think that Bryston stuff sounds like garbage. Welcome to the subjectiveness of audio.

[audit13]

Or less. I particularly think that Bryston stuff sounds like garbage. Welcome to the subjectiveness of audio.

What Bryston equipment are you talking about and what have you compared it to? I'm curious because I'm always looking for input from other people about equipment.

[Drew_W]

What Bryston equipment are you talking about and what have you compared it to? I'm curious because I'm always looking for input from other people about equipment.

Fundamentally, it doesn't really matter since my ears are my ears and yours are yours. But let's see, I've had a 2BSST (probably the best of the bunch to be honest), a 4BST, 3 4BSSTs (at different times, the fun of being an audio dealer and taking trade ins), a pair of 7BSTs and a 14BSST.

I know why they sound the way they do and that's because they're designed for the squeaky clean pro audio world, which they do really well. But for relaxed listening, they make my ears bleed.

Again, TOTALLY subjective.

[Drew_W]

Old doesn't mean bad. To beat Bryston you have to spend several times the price but you already knew that. I have the Rotel RMB-1075 with Emotiva LMC-1 pre/pro temporarily while the new version with full HDMI and new decoders is out. They are driving B&W Nautilus 805s and htm2.

I'd dump your 1075 and find a NAD S250 or Parasound A52 or something similar. I find the 1075 is quite popular, but it has a pretty grainy treble. This is not said to burst your bubble, just to give you an idea of how to improve your system.

[audit13]

Fundamentally, it doesn't really matter since my ears are my ears and yours are yours. But let's see, I've had a 2BSST (probably the best of the bunch to be honest), a 4BST, 3 4BSSTs (at different times, the fun of being an audio dealer and taking trade ins), a pair of 7BSTs and a 14BSST.

I know why they sound the way they do and that's because they're designed for the squeaky clean pro audio world, which they do really well. But for relaxed listening, they make my ears bleed.

Again, TOTALLY subjective.
I am in total agreement that, when it comes to sound, be it music from a cd player or the soundtrack from a movie, this is a very subjective area. Just like you, I have not been fond of equipment other people have loved and vice versa. Thanks for the input. BTW, I still like the sound of my Bryston pre-amp, even though is more than 20 years old:)

[synmag]

BTW, I still like the sound of my Bryston pre-amp, even though is more than 20 years old:)

You still have 5 years of warranty left on it then :) Or was that only for their power amps.

[synmag]

I'm very jealous right now>:( I wish I could afford a top-notch sound system but I just finished renovating my house:)

Priorities. You have a house, and renovated one at that :lol: But seriously you'd be suprised what you can get used. Rotel builds them like a tank and there are only two moving parts in the thing (power, which stays on and the 5v trigger switch which also stays on). I took adventage of the high $ last Christmas and bought the 1075 used on ebay for $700. I could have had it for less but I used buy it now because my receiver had bought the farm and can't live long without music.

[Drew_W]

You still have 5 years of warranty left on it then :) Or was that only for their power amps.

20 years total, not 25.

[synmag]

Fundamentally, it doesn't really matter since my ears are my ears and yours are yours. But let's see, I've had a 2BSST (probably the best of the bunch to be honest), a 4BST, 3 4BSSTs (at different times, the fun of being an audio dealer and taking trade ins), a pair of 7BSTs and a 14BSST.

I know why they sound the way they do and that's because they're designed for the squeaky clean pro audio world, which they do really well. But for relaxed listening, they make my ears bleed.

Again, TOTALLY subjective.

Correct, totally subjective.

[Drew_W]

Rotel builds them like a tank

I hate to break it to you, but you really haven't seen much in the audio world if you think Rotel is "built like a tank". Read my comment about the 1075 above. Rotel generates tons of buzz, and I'll admit that I started down that path many years ago, but it didn't take me long to figure out that it's not really all it's cracked up to be. Better amps (and ones that actually FEEL solid, the casework on the Rotel is the flimsiest metal ever) are available around that price.

[synmag]

I'd dump your 1075 and find a NAD S250 or Parasound A52 or something similar. I find the 1075 is quite popular, but it has a pretty grainy treble. This is not said to burst your bubble, just to give you an idea of how to improve your system.

We agreed that it's subjective so it stands to reason that I like what I have. I'm not about to dump what I just got on your say so but I am aware there are better options available. I'm familiar with NAD and I prefer Rotel.

Anyhow we are getting way OT here.

[synmag]

thanks...anything smaller?

How about this? I got this set for my parents and they sound great for their size with a sub. Best buy was blowing them out for $200 about two years ago. This guy must have bought it then and is still trying to turn a profit as I keep seeing it on CAM.

http://www.canuckaudiomart.com/details/101679-avp305_5_piece_speaker_package__brand_new__/

[synmag]

I hate to break it to you, but you really haven't seen much in the audio world if you think Rotel is "built like a tank". Read my comment about the 1075 above. Rotel generates tons of buzz, and I'll admit that I started down that path many years ago, but it didn't take me long to figure out that it's not really all it's cracked up to be. Better amps (and ones that actually FEEL solid, the casework on the Rotel is the flimsiest metal ever) are available around that price.

Ok this is my last post and I'm off to bed. My built like a tank was speakingto reliability based on my research. It's true the top cover is on the thin side but it's perfectly sufficient to protect the internals. I have read about problems with several NAD models since you brought it up. Anyway I'm perfectly happy with it as I love it's sound so let's leave it at that.

[synmag]

20 years total, not 25.

I stand corrected. I guess he better replace it before it breaks :lol:

Now I'm really off....

[mahjongmaniac]

wow..so many ppl saying its not good..but guess what..its sold out!!!

maybe they were trying to play w/ ppl's minds so that others don't buy it, while they get their chance at it 1st... :twisted:

[bigsky2]

Well, I finally had the chance to hook up my new Sony STRDG820 receiver tonight .....a BIG disappointment.

Sorry to hear it didn't work out for you. I hope my comments didn't sway you too much as my intention was only to point out the receiver and its features was good at the $299 price point.


The first disappointment with this Sony STRDG820 was the HDMI audio pass/conversion ....I have an RCA 56" Digital projection 1080i TV with DVI input so I run an HDMI to DVI conversion cable to my RCA TV from my receiver.

So I take it that you have the cable connected to the HDMI out on the Sony receiver, and the DVI end to your RCA TV?


The Sony is supposed to pass video & audio through HDMI so I just assumed that the HDMI to DVI conversion cable would continue to transfer the video at 1080i and that when the receiver received the HDMI signal from the HD DVD player and my two other SDVD upconversion players that the audio would automatically "feed" into the receiver and output in appropriate sound (ie 5.1 etc.) ....well, when I tried to play a movie, I got great video but no audio. Turns out the Sony receiver cannot "retrieve" the audio because of the HDMI to DVI conversion for video ? Huh, why would that affect the audio if it's going through the receiver first ? So that is my first disappointment in this Sony receiver.

I believe this might be related to the problem with the North American 820's where you cannot force the receiver to output audio from an optical source if you are viewing an HDMI source.

I read about this issue elsewhere, and it was also pointed out in this thread by another member. The problem occurs when you have a video-only HDMI source connected to one of the HDMI inputs on the receiver and a separate optical connection from the source to the receiver. When viewing the HDMI source on-screen, the receiver will process the optical sound thus leaving you with video and no audio.

For your specific case, it sounds like the HDMI-DVI cable which is only carrying the video seems to conflict with your HDMI source which carries both video and audio signals. Logically the receiver should accept the A/V from your HDMI source, and then repeat the appropriate signals to your HDMI out. Since DVI only carries video, it would make sense that the audio from the HDMI source would output to the connected speakers. This might be another "stupid implementation" of the HDMI switching discovered in the 820.


The second, and it may be related to the HDMI to DVI issue, but I thought this Sony receiver would "autoselect" which ever player is turned on and autorecognize which input to place the Sony receiver.....this feature did not seem to work ? (Sony calls this "Active Intelligence") :mad:


This is a very stupid mistake that Sony made. This is related to the HDMI video + optical sound issue I mentioned above. For some reason you cannot force the receiver to accept another optical audio source when you are viewing an HDMI source. HDMI takes priority..

It was addressed in this review: WhatHiFi Review (http://whathifi.com/Review/Sony-STR-DG820/)

Sony Europe has apparently addressed this issue already as it was discovered when people tried to connected HD boxes to the 820 only to get stereo sound instead of 5.1 through HDMI. I don't know how this issue was fixed and I'm quite curious to see if it will be addressed in Canada/USA.

Unfortunately Sony Canada/USA have not addressed this issue let alone recognize it, as this user has experienced:

HDMI-Optical Audio = SOL ? (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=14851906#post14851906)

Sony STRDG820 HDMI-Optical Audio Issue (http://www.avforums.com/forums/integrated-av-amplifiers-receivers/819601-sony-strdg820.html#post7658919)

Related thread: Sony STRDG820 on AVSforums (http://www.avforums.com/forums/integrated-av-amplifiers-receivers/819601-sony-strdg820.html)




Unless anyone has any suggestions for a workaround for this, my Sony STRDG820 is going back to Future Shop

Thanks

Keep us updated.

EDIT: It looks like you've been a busy body at AVS with these questions. I'll be lurking there too :cheesygri

[montward]

Sorry to hear it didn't work out for you. I hope my comments didn't sway you too much as my intention was only to point out the receiver and its features was good at the $299 price point.

I always appreciate it when others concur with what I feel and I agree with you that the receiver/features were well priced for $299, It just isn't going to suite my needs at this time...Im better off with my older HDMI video only pass receiver with assignable digital audio inputs with my current HD TV that has DVI input only.

So I take it that you have the cable connected to the HDMI out on the Sony receiver, and the DVI end to your RCA TV?

Yes, I have an HDMI to DVI cable and of course, the HDMI end is connected to the HDMI output on the Sony and the DVI end is connected to the DVI digital input on my RCA TV...


For your specific case, it sounds like the HDMI-DVI cable which is only carrying the video seems to conflict with your HDMI source which carries both video and audio signals. Logically the receiver should accept the A/V from your HDMI source, and then repeat the appropriate signals to your HDMI out. Since DVI only carries video, it would make sense that the audio from the HDMI source would output to the connected speakers. This might be another "stupid implementation" of the HDMI switching discovered in the 820.?

All of my HDMI components that are connected to this Sony receiver are capable of passing both video and audio to the receiver...so that does not appear to be the problem. I feel that the HDMI to DVI conversion cable is blocking the whole audio pass for the receiver. When I leave the HDMI video out to DVI on TV, I get the same great 1080i picture I"ve had, but no sound. When I disconnect the HDMI out from the Sony receiver to DVI in on TV..the sound will then pass through in 5.1, but of course, no picture.
I agree that this may be a major limitation of this Sony receiver...I just can't understand why they would allow the HDMI video output to interfere with the HDMI inputs and let the audio pass regardless....it just doesn't make sense...I am stunned that this should even be an issue.



EDIT: It looks like you've been a busy body at AVS with these questions. I'll be lurking there too :cheesygri

Yes, I did repeat my issue on the AVS forum that relates to this Sony receiver. I was looking for any advice I could get.

Now I am faced with the task of having to put my old receiver and it's connections all back and pack up the Sony and take it back to Future Shop ....hopefully in the future, Sony can get it right with the HDMI issues / limitations that this receiver seems to have.


Thanks again bigsky2, you have been very helpful